Man Alive | Consenting Adults: 2. The Women
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- In the second part of this 1967 BBC Man Alive special report about homosexuality, Angela Huth interviews lesbians about their lives. 'Stevie' has been living as a man since her teens, even entering into heterosexual relationships with other women. Julie and Cynthia have lived together for many years and claim they see no difference between their relationship and that of a married couple. In a private club in Chelsea, lesbians can enjoy a safe haven that allows them to be themselves without risking condemnation from society.
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the last interview is heartbreaking as even in the modern day I and so many others feel this way. The way she explains so poetically that paradise is just around the corner really struck a chord with me. How deeply unsatisfied one feels with themselves to be an outcast, and to question your own reality and the point of your own existence...
I know her, she is still alive, in her mid 90s
@@henryvonblumenthal7307 This is probably not possible, but just thought I'd try as I saw your comment and couldn't believe the synchronicity. I am in the process of writing a novel and found myself here as I am researching around one of my main characters - a woman in her 90s who married a man due to the times she lived in and was not able to be with the woman she loved. It might not be possible or appropriate but I would really love to find out more about her and to connect if at all possible...
I wanted to hug Steve and tell him that he's normal the way that he is! So brave! They all were very brave and super intelligent! Angela Huth is a great interviewer!
Thanks Carlton for sharing this!
She..........she's a woman.
Well, even if it's obvious to most modern people, I really feel like pointing out that Steve in the beginning is probably not a lesbian, but transgender.
I agree. It would be interesting to know what happened to he/she.
Is she patient zero
Why ???
Was she on drugs?
Did she have a medical operation?
What is your case for making that statement?
@@KKTR3 You don't actually have to have any medical interventions to be trans. You have the treatments BECAUSE you are trans, not the other way around.
@@BR-jt6ny anything is possible once it becomes the territory of the intellectual left .
Facts and simplicity and truth or so yesterday.
So you will be right and I wrong .
That interview with Stevie is top class, incisive, neutral journalism.
Oh how the BBC could learn from this today as a counter to their high-profile, self governing political, religious, economic and sociological bias range.
How, in 2024, the world has changed. And thank god, for the better. Let people live their lives, with understanding and harmony
Finding many of these ‘Man Alive’ programmes an interesting reflection not only upon the mores of a past that really is ‘another country’ is so many respects, but upon a seeming decline in journalistic standards. These seem to be programmes which attempt (often successfully) to present an aspect of life in a manner which treats both subjects and viewer with respect and sympathy, leaving the viewer to draw their own conclusions. I’d prefer to watch these to much ‘modern’ programming any day of the week.
As one gets older, one inevitably becomes grumpier
very sad. my heart bleeds for that person. the second couple were luckier. when the first young person was asked 'whats the point of your li fe? and he answered'nothing really!'' oh my goodness. that was so sad
I would be interested to know what happened to Steve down the years.
yeah would be nice if the explored the possibility of doing a follow up.
Me too....poor bloke. Hope he found happiness but I suspect he had to wait a long time in this retarded country for attitudes to start changing.
Many people only sound as if they have 100% blind sympathies with Steve, but to me Steve is describing abuse that she as done to other women- almost deceptively rape .
i think they knew deep down.
The fourth woman (minute 22) died on Saturday 26 February 2023
That's a shame. I hope she found true happiness in her life before she passed away.
She said that she would be unfortunate if she were to live another twenty five years, but she lived approximately another fifty six. Hope she found love. Was she German?
This is so sad. We are so lucky to live when we live now. It's clear if Steve was around now he would be trans. How the world has changed.
and you know that? for sure...are we lucky when we are not allowed to have our views without being called TERFS?
I wonder whatever happened to Steve? I truly hope things got better for him in the 70's or 80's.
Yes my thoughts also so heartbreaking!
Statistically speaking Lesbian relationships tend to last longer than gay male relationships and generally tend to be more committed.
A joke heard in the 90s:
What does a lesbian bring on her second date?
Her truck.
What does a gay guy bring on his second date?
What second date?
Some eyebrow raising assertions there. Lesbian relationships often have their own issues. As Camille Paglia controversially put it:
"Gay men inhabit the bar scene as free radicals, competitive
individualists scanning each other, preening, and scuffling for ter-
ritory. Strangers can walk off the street in any country and enter
the fray. Aggressive wit is an instrument of flirtation and seduction.
Solitary cruising and pickups do occur among lesbians, but they are
not the rule. Lesbian bars are organized in huge kinship groupings, which I identify as family regressions (the usual grass huts). Trying to break into these shifting cliques could drive you mad - unless you join one of their sports leagues. Musical beds is the name of the game. But each person sets up the next affair before she breaks off the last, so there is intricate overlapping, producing endless amounts of what Alison Maddcx calls, with exasperation, "lesbian drama from hell." Lushly eroticized push-pull emotion, rather than genital sexuality, is the real heart of lesbianism. It's All About Mom."
It's really sad to hear the mindsets of some of the men and women of that time period ! To actually have convinced yourself that you couldn't have long term love/relationships because of fear or repercussions? I guess it's not so unimaginable when society was torturing them mentally and physically ! not ot mention the medical profession with their lobotomies and electric shock treatments and psychiatric tortures! Not to forget the families and religious monsters of the time...
We, as a society have come so far. The story of Steve is heartbreaking. Still work to do though
this massively contrasts with the "Men" episode
+Zachary McGeachy How so?
Yes, it does. Perhaps because women weren't expected to have sexual feelings? And the difference between gender and sexuality wasn't even though about then.
Well being lesbian was never made illegal whereas men were arrested and prosecuted all the time
Unbelievable that loving someone of the same sex should be frowned upon as it is better to love than to hate.
strange thing that other people consider anothers private business as their own.
13:21 awww. what a sweetheart.
A snapshot of its time, wonder what happened to these women.
Steve is obviously trans not a lesbian.
"Steve" was the only man her life.
She had to get permission to wear pants to school.
when i was a young girl in the 70s,it was always the same,the lads in the local pub would hear that some girl was a lesbian and it would be all,i wouldnt mind seeing that etc,but if it was a gay man,then it was always oh look a woofter or somthing more horrible,you still see and hear the same today,although people are more accepting in general,you will always have people who believe being gay means your kids are not safe,which is simply rubbish,,i have a gay relation,he has been with his partner for over 35 years now,and a lesbian cousin who married her girlfreind,4 years ago,they have now adopted a baby,im really glad its better today for people to be open,but at the same time i do not like the sexualization of young kids,teaching sex to five year olds should not be alllowed,ive heard they are planning on teaching 7 year olds about gay/lesbian and oral and anal sex,i do not think it right to teach any child about any kind of sex until lat least the age of 11 minimum,and i mean any kind of sex,kids should be allowed to be kids as long as they can,ive seen young parents,accepting their 5 year old daughters dressing like mini teenagers and dancing in a sexual manner,like their mothers watch on tv from popstars etc,its so wrong20 years ago little girls played with dolls until at least 10 or 11,now by the age of 8 many think they need makeup and grown up stuff,so although the world has changed for the better in regards to sexual orientation,it has not changed for the better with the little children
i disagree with your opinion about when sex education shoud be taught. 11 is far too late. by then most children will already wonder about it and will probably get information - probably incorrect - from from friends or the internet. (eg When I was about 9, my friend, whose mother had presumably had a Caesarean [C-section] told me that a woman had to be cut open to have a baby. When my grandmother's periods started ,from the vague information her mother gave her, she thought that if she got too close to a boy, she'd get pregnant. )
I was determined that for my own children it would be different and that I'd tell my children the facts before they were old enough to find The Talk embarrassing. So I old them the basics of sex, in an age-appropriate manner, at a very early age. An age when everything in life is new and fascinating, and they simply accepted it happily, as yet another interesting bit of information about life. They presumably ignored what they didn't understand and always seemed to be comfortable asking relevant questions later.
I think this approach is much healthier, and, in fact, much easier. By the time one's children are 11 and are approaching adolescence, or are in the throes of it, they will get hot under the collar talking to their parents about sex and will probably shy away. As indeed I myself did. Thus remaining in ignorance about certain things for years. :-( I find that very sad.
I know so many parents dress their little girls like porn stars
Steve is very pretty ironically
Life is all memory 💙💚
How the pendulum has shifted.
+burgersoft777 How the perineum has shifted. lolz. Good on 'em though.
To some degree, but outside the major cities in the UK I think a lot of those attitudes still prevail. A former girlfriend's mother from the Shires was disgusted at the thought that her daughter may have had lesbian leanings.
To suppress natural feelings for society can only lead to greater heartache and stress in the long run.
Even a guest appearance in the opening sequence of Maxwell.
It wasn't as bad for lesbians though, compared with gays. For a start, no-one thought they were "pederasts", nor were the police interested in women getting it together. Also, people don't usually have the same visceral reaction to lesbian sex that they do to sex between men. There was plenty of moral condemnation, but the risk of physical disgust isn't the same.
anonUK that's a difficult comparison. In the ways you mention yes, however you have the burden of sexism from society let alone say if you're a lesbian woman of colour and dealing with racism (similarly ableism if you're disabled). It's never necessarily an easy fit anyway.
+Kae Smith
Because these things are never a problem for men, right?
Not as much as they are for women, absolutely not.
I have much older friends who are gay and have worked with older gay men who grew up gay in the 60s and they used to tell me the police knew which were the gay bars and it was not unusual for gays (men) to be beaten up on the way home from a gay bar by the police.
Women were accused of abuse and had their children taken away if it came out they were lesbians. They would be picked up by police at bar raids and get violently raped. It was still bad.
Hell, it's all changed now.
I hope they have all changed now - the same pants for 50 years?
Here it is now, March 9th 2020. Times are changing in American. The next Presidential campaign is going on now and we actually had a Democrat running for President as a gay man! Only in America eh? He did end up dropping out. I'm not against the LBGTQRST group of people, but it's not for me, and it goes against my religious beliefs. I've had gay friends and we got along just fine.
People can object to homosexuality, but persecution achieves nothing and prejudices get nobody anywhere
In 2023 the Prime Ministers of Ireland and Serbia are gay and lesbian respectively. A credit to both countries.
@@Ballykeith you are bonkers but you are not on own ,
2 human people with there own names are in those positions, that is it full stop.
You diminish the achievements the people have made linking it to the sexual options they take.