Corny Keg Floating Dip Tube, Major Issue
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- Corny Keg Floating Dip Tube, Major Issue
Using a recently purchased Fermzilla fermenter and starting the transfer of beer to my keg I noticed that the Kegland floating dip tube was going to hit the yeast cake and leave up to 2" (5cm)worth of beer behind which could easily been about 1 gallon (3.87 Liters) of wasted beer without pulling in a lot of yeast. The only solution to reducing this was to tip the all rounder around but with a room temp fermented yeast cake it wasn't real solid so this is problematic as it can easily disturb the yeast cake. The Torpedo keg buoy floating dip tube has this same major problem in design, in my opinion. I considered using my transfer pump to move the remaining beer but instead I swapped out the one from Kegland with a FLOTit. The FLOTit floating dip tube was able to help transfer all but about 1 ounce or a 1/8th of a cup of beer. Based on that I experience I will only be using FLOTit devices in my kegs and pressure fermenters from now on.
Please keep in mind a lot of people sell the floating dip tubes on different websites that may not be produced by Kegland or Torpedo but appear to have the same issue. The issue requires you to play with it to capture as much of your beer as possible but there is a high chance of capturing some of your yeast unless you purchase Keglands new add-on filter which the filter does help a bit but the best is that it hits the yeast cake (trub) forcing the tip in a more upward direction.
I can only imagine how many pints the Torpedo or Kegland's floating dip tubes might be leaving behind in a corny keg!
Devices used in this video:
FLOTit floating dip tube
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Torpedo Keg Buoy
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Fermzilla fermenters
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For anyone that doesn't get what I'm trying to explain in this video here are some visual photos to show the massive difference in these products. imgur.com/a/QzZOCiG
The image shows it working . The pickup tube is at least an inch below the ball.
@@kevinrogowski8335 You obviously are getting this, that is almost a full 2 inches below the surface of the beer and if there was trub in the container it would be sucking up a ton of it before getting the last of the beer, even with playing roll the all rounder around. Sometimes it is hard to show or explain to people set in their ways that there is a better way and a better product to do the job. Luckily most homebrewers love innovation and new ways to do things otherwise the craft beer industry wouldn't be where it is today.
@@BitterRealityBrewing Looking at the photos, it's hard to tell whether the pickup with the Flotit is completely submerged. Does the pickup portion of the tube ever rise above the liquid level and dispense co2 instead of beer?
@@smalloy88 Yes, not on this one but on another batch right after this I was getting CO2 off and on close to the last bit of liquid. I'll be doing two (maybe three) more videos on this subject as several of the companies have made updates to fix issues and due to this video Trong was nice enough to send me (out of the blue) a FLOTit 2.0 which has a few major improvements and what is cool is part of the new system he says will also be purchasable for about $5 to add enhancements to any current floating dip tube from any company. Lots of cool improvements to the toys coming. I would have already had those videos completed but been going crazy with a move as I will be moving to a temporary location (unknown as of this moment) for a year while our new house is built and my future micro brewery area is also built.
@@BitterRealityBrewing thanks for the info and good luck with the move!
Hi folks, viewing from Ireland love the channel, great advice. I've been using the kegland floating dip tube in my modified bucket fermenter and kegs. I ran into same trouble at start. I fixed my issues by adding a second stainless steel ring to dip tube ball float and cutting silicone tube so the end stops a couple of mm from bottom of keg, kegs now empty fully, so every last drop of precious beer except yeast is drank. Did same with the modified fermenter, added ball lock posts for closed transfer and added a filter to the end of floating diptube and have had no problems with beer left in fermenter or trub being transferred when kegging. I know you shouldn't have to do these things, but I think it's part of the home brewing magic, adapting and modifying. The flot it dip tube looks awesome, I'll definitely be getting some. Thanks for the link, advice and review.
Welcome and Ireland is at the top of my bucket list so much love in return. I really just want to go to the Temple Bar and have a pint, just to say I was there (plus a few other cool places of course). 😀😀😀 - I appreciate you for sharing that info and I think I understand as I've seen a photo someone else referenced where it was tubesmall opening connecting to the floating balltube if I follow and of course the metal filter on the very beginning. (?) Correct? This way if the tubing hit the trub it didn't suck it up first but the liquid correct? Feel free to share a photo from Imgur as pictures are always helpful but not required. I did ask Tongo about shipping to AU for a friend and it was crazy cheap just probably not very fast. Sadly I won't get to Ireland until maybe 2 more years if I am lucky otherwise I'd just order a few and bring them with me for you.
The critical thing is to trim the tube just right. You want the length such that it would hang free and pick up just below where you expect the top of the cake. This makes it easy to control pickup depth by angling the fermenter a little. Obviously this will work better with a cold crash, as the cake will be more stable, but that the difference isn't huge either way.
I fully agree with the angling of the fermenter but as my trub was far from solid it was a bit of a pain (and I don't have anywhere to cold crash the all rounder as it is kind of big). I get what you are saying about the shortness of the hose but the trub does flocculate a bit based on the yeast and the OG and FG of the brew, sometimes significantly. My big point was that the FLOTit (although they recommend trimming the tube to) doesn't need any modifications to work amazingly well compared to a design that is going on 20 years from my research that doesn't appear to have ever had a patent issued as everyone copies it with very little changes if any.
The new Kegland filter for the floating dip tube (which they are now throwing in on the Fermzilla complete setups deals (after I got mine)) actually helps fix theirs not so much with the filter but how the filter will hit the trub forcing the tub to level out and never hit the trub directly as compared to without it.
I’ve used the kegland floating dip tube in the fermzilla and in my kegs for over 20 batches or so and have never had an issue with leaving beer behind. My liquid line does not sit 2 inches below the ball. I will say I always ferment 6 gallons of wort so that helps but in the keg it will settle to the bottom and it leaves no beer behind IME.
Does it pull trub? I had someone tell me they had the opposite issue with the tubing sticking out of the liquid which I'm not sure how that happened but all I saw was the tubing was heading head first into the trub and the tube was a solid 2" below the surface.
@@BitterRealityBrewing I do exactly what short circuited brewers does. I tilt the all rounder when it get close the the trub and I get every ounce I want out of it. I look at it as a positive to be able to control how much I get. I have yet to find a fault with the all rounder using their floating dip tubes.
@@jeffnicholson6110 this is exactly what I do as well. I really dislike this video because literally the smallest change in technique makes the kegland dip tube work perfectly. It DOES NOT function as bad add this dude makes it out to be. He was just to lazy to try and figure out how to make it work right.
@@mattb6124 yeah I felt it was a little harsh. I may be a bit protective because the fermzilla and floating dip tubes have really taken my beers up a notch. At least to my taste. Not to mention the all rounder with floating dip tube has given brewers an affordable piece of kit that really produces. Brewers tinker on things and the floating dip tube literally takes 2 seconds of tinkering (tilting the all rounder) to make it work perfectly.
@@jeffnicholson6110 1000% agree with everything you just said. They're both too great products for me to sit back and be silent on this one.
Exactly why I bought 5.
Also the firmzilla floating tube sucks up to the side , I had to make a notch in the tube just to get it to flow.
Flotit. Works amazing.
I fully agree and I'm very happy I found Tongo (on eBay) and his FLOTit devices. I have 7 now but need to order 3 more as I didn't plan on needing them for fermenters.
I used a fdt 3x and hated it 3x. One more thing to go wrong and it did. I was trying to fix a problem that I really didn't have. Clarify, chill, toss the first pint. No fdt needed.
😂😂😂 I get it as I never used an fdt but I actually like it and have come to prefer it. Hang in there are the more we brew the more we all find what works for each of us. Cheers!
Have you used the Kegland floating dip tube? The Kegland tube actually lays down at the bottom and continues to suck until keg is empty. Be careful when bagging products
The video is a bit old and that was the Kegland floating dip tube which I've mentioned in newer videos that Kegland was one of the only companies to admit there was an issue and address it with their plastic filter add-on as the design was invented by homebrewers almost 20 years ago and many companies have copied it without fixing the issues. I did a 4 part series on the Floating Diptubes by covering each type/brands in 3 separate videos and then the final head-to-head comparison in this video - th-cam.com/video/xd-ajnaEGd4/w-d-xo.html Although I don't regret the original video as it was done out of frustration I do regret being a little hostile as I was tired and in a lot of physical pain (due to heart issues) and I'm normally really easy going but when I'm in pain I'm serious grump. When you watch the video you will see almost all designs have their pros and cons. Plus some are really cheap and others are very expensive.
What is funny is that I got a lot of flak for that video when it first came out but I later had 3 of the people who gave me flak come back and apologize, after realizing the original designed very flawed compared to other systems and improvements available. One was like "I never realized I had an issue until you pointed it out and now I can't stop seeing the problem with the design."
Really interesting stuff here! Nice job, I’ll have to keep this in mind
I am one that bought the floating dip tube. I see your point. I have re jigged mine like this and it works much better. I took off the ring that connects the float to the stainless tube. I flared the little stainless tube to go over the ring on the float. Then I Locked it there by reinstalling the ring. Now it picks up the same as the float it. When it gets to the bottom it won’t get into the yeast cake. The hose needs to be adjusted to do this properly. I tried to send a picture but I could not.
Thank you for your insight and as a homebrewer I think we are all use to a little DIY but it really shouldn't need that much of an adjustment. The design appears to have been created by some fellow homebrewers almost 20 years ago so I think it was time for something better and I'm just happy someone stepped forward with a better design. I brewed a DIPA today and used my FLOTit in the Fermzilla not just because I'm concerned for grabbing part of the yeast cake (even with rolling the fermenter around) but I went nuts on the hops so I'm a bit overly concerned as most went into the fermenter (1 full pound of Cascade as I had way too much of that stuff from deals). Thank you and please feel free to share a link to Imgur of your modification as I'm looking to either modify mine or make them Xmas ornaments.
Just need to cut the Fermizilla float to the proper length that doesn't get hung-up along the side and then "slide the Fermzilla" down as you are emptying it. I have done so probably 15 times now and never had an issue.
Agreed on the leaning part and everyone is saying cut the hose. I actually think in one of the normal Fermzillas with the tapered bottoms where it is a bit pointy it would be less problematic but I've seen a few modifications where people have had the tips hit their trub in kegs and pressure fermenters so they recommend actually putting a piece in-between the hose with an opening to ensure even if the hose hits the trub it will pull beer first. I also figured out that the entire design from what I was able to find was from a bunch of homebrewers on Homebrewtalk (not 100% it originated there but it is there) seemed to have created the prototype of what most companies sell today ...that was almost 20 years ago. I doubt any of them cashed in on the idea as they were just helping each other with a DIY design including a SS floating ball from Grainger. Kind of wild when you think about it.
I use one of these in a corny that i ferment in, works great! I actually just got a kegland kegmentor that came with the ball style floating dip tube and went ahead and ordered another floatit for the same reason as you mentioned in the video.
Awesome and I'll be doing two more videos on floating dip tubes in the near future to help others see the differences and on a new product too.
So floatit works fine with kegmenter? I'm having issues leaving beer behind the kegmenter.
@@jafarym77 it does, you'll have to play with the length of your tubing if you don't want to leave anything behind. Mine is cut to leave about 1/2 a gallon behind. The few times I have used mine it has worked well, that last 1/2 gallon has been trube anyway in my experience.
@@jafarym77 I would say definitely but if you don't need one right away keep your eye out as he has a FLOTit 2.0 that is going to be so effective that is is copyrighting a slogan or catch phrase (I think copyright is the right term he used). I am beta testing it right now and it has one minor change and one major change that is extremely effective. I would say with any you might leave a small amount of beer behind but with the new one that he sent me completely out of the blue for beta testing, you might leave a tablespoon or two of beer behind at most as I have one more test but so far I am extremely impressed.
Wait. If the ball is nearly under the beer, and the pickup tube is under the ball, how does that make you lose beer? The lower the tube is, the more beer you should get. What am I missing?
Okay, I saw the explanation at Homebrewfinds. The tube hits the yeast cake, and the yeast cake blocks the beer. This happens when there is still a lot of beer in the keg, so you lose beer. Now I get it.
Thanks for this video.
Sadly I was in a lot of pain and grumpy when I did this video, as I was annoyed that a lot of companies were jumping on the bandwagon to resell something that was invented by some home brewers over a decade ago. If you get a chance, you should check out my Floating dip tube comparison series (4 videos), but here is the 4th video making the final comparison - th-cam.com/video/xd-ajnaEGd4/w-d-xo.html
Was just about to look into getting a floating dip tube as I picked up a couple of kegs and was thinking about maybe using them to ferment in. Thanks for the great info as usual!
Thank you.
Boy did you dodge a bullet. Dip tubes work great without floating
Amen I agree with you 150% I lose beer every time I pressure transfer from my all rounder to the keg. Burns my ass too. I’m making great beer too and as you said hate to waste it. Thanks for the great vids!
The new FLOTit 2.0 seems to get more beer compared to any other floating dip tube as I just did a transfer about a month ago with a ton of Blackberry pulp and the FLOTit 2.0 was the only one capable to grabbing the most beer.
Exactly what I needed to know. FlotIt ordered!
Thanks for the feedback and I'll be doing another like review that will take it all to the next level in the near future.
Oof I bought enough of these to replace all of my diptube in like 10 kegs and yeah none of them work great. Switching serving kegs back to solid and will buy these flotit type diptubes for my fermenters. Cheers.
I've migrated almost all of my floating dip tubes to the FLOTit 2.x. I still have a few of the 1.x versions but highly prefer the newer FLOTit 2.x for both my kegs and my pressure fermenters.
Awesome would you recommend using this for a keg to keg transfer, for example, I currently have 10 gallons of peach saison beer that was transferred from our fermenter to Two corny kegs. I'm cold crashing beer for two months before carbination because the beer is for a wedding in December, hopely the cold crash will result in more trube/ peach bits that will settle out during cold crash. Then I'm thinking that I want to use this float to do keg to keg transfer to final kegs for carbination. I'm thinking I will try to attach flotit to my keg carbonation stone keg lid. Do you think it will work or do you have any other suggestions?
100%! The newer FLOTit is version 2.x now, and it is awesome. I purchased a lot of them and had to do a transfer from an All Rounder Fermenter under pressure to a keg. Something I do all the time but this time, it was with a ton of Blackberry pulp which clogged a cheaper floating dip tube I was using. I swapped it out for one of my FLOTit 2.0 devices that I had recently purchased, and it worked like a charm. I'm slowly buying more to replace all of my current floating diptubes, so all of my kegs (16+) and pressure fermenters (3) have one each, with a few spares. The inventor gave me 2 for the video reviews, but I purchased all the others as I was simply impressed with the performance.
How do both systems compare in emptying sanitizer in a purged keg or fermenter? I worry that Flotit wont get the last pint or so of sanitizer and I would have to open the lid and turn upside down, not allowing a ferment pressure transfer as easily. Curious.
I haven't tested that but I would expect the FLOTit would leave a bit more sanitizer behind but not too much.
The Flotit, unfortunately, is not available where I live ( NZ ). So to get around the design flaw in the Kegland floating dip tube I do two things. 1. Cut the tube shorter so that the float sits on the bottom ( dry ) but the tube sits just above above the yeast cake. 2. When transferring, as the float gets low, gently tilt the fermzilla so that the float and tube remains above the trub on the bottom. I think the FLOTit looks like the go if you can get it but there is a work around, maybe not perfect, but something I can live with without wasting a gallon usable beer.
Actually I asked the seller as I was considering buy a few to ship to a friend in Australia and he said it should only cost me a couple bucks but would of course take a while to get there as it was going to be shipped super cheap which means super slow. A lot of people seem to make almost identical versions of the floating dip tube with the ball and I can say at least Kegland sees there are some issues so they recently came out with a filter which I've come to realize isn't as important as what it does to the dip tube beyond filtering. As the dip tube gets close to hitting the trub (normally it would be point slightly toward it the filter will actually lift it up a bit and the filer will hit the trub first keeping the tube from sucking in the trub as easily and allowing for more beer to be pulled first and as cleanly as possible. The gallon was a big of an exaggeration if you didn't tilt the all rounder to help people kind of see at what level it might hit the trub without modifications or assistance and of course I think anyone using this and the FLOTit will tilt the fermenter to get every drop of clean beer they can.
My Kegland dip tube leave nothing behind but a yeast cake. If anything tweak with position by attaching a little weight or so.
This is an older video and I was a bit annoyed at the time. My biggest issue back then is that it wasn't a real improvement on a 20 year old invention. KegLand has made some improvements since, including on their Oxebar systems with weighted filters that work really well. Since this video, even the FLOTit 1.x has been replaced with the FLOTit 2.x which is the only floating diptube that I've gotten to work with filtering out tons of Blackberry pulp in a pressure fermenter.
Just got my 2 FLOATIT tubes in. Just cleaned up a keg and assembled it. Wanted to test it so ran some starsan thru it and I had issues with very low flow coming out. Switched out with standard dip tube and back to good flow. Not sure if my trying to purge a keg with starsan thru the tube doesn’t work but using to dispense beer It didn’t work for me.
There are some instructions on how to tighten the liquid side to avoid closing off the flow which I haven't had the issue. Supposedly if you over tighten it, it can restrict the flow to very little or even nothing at all. Something to check on your next keg as that was probably the issue.
Switched over to these dip tubes and have liked them up until recently. I am towards the end of the keg and the beer is coming out foamy and a bit flat. Any suggestions?
Actually I just had a like issue with the pressure fermentation and I relieved the pressure picked up the dip tube and dropped it back in and everything was good. Not sure what it could get stuck on in a keg but for me it was a bag full of dry hops. Let me know if this fixes your situation.
Although I use a bucket fermenter and bottle everything, I completely understand. Btw, I gotta get me a shirt like yours
Thanks and my wife has been hooking me up with cool T-shirts which is funny as she usually doesn't like my shirts with words on them.
Where do you get them, ? I agree especially when you are filtering closed transfer.
The link is in the description. I got them off eBay from a seller names Trongo he does the SPUNDit 2.0 that David Heath Homebrew and DrHans Brewery and did reviews on and both appear to have loved his products too.
Bruh, you being paid by the float-it company? This is the most biased bogus review I've ever seen. Everyone else, please do your research, watch @shortcircuitedbrewing video on their allrounder on how to use the kegland tube as it's intended. This dude is just blowing up a product because he didn't take the time to figure out how to use it. I have 3 kegland floating tubes and have zero issues with trub or leftover beer. SMDH. Cheers everyone.
Not in any way and actually I paid full price for the 1st one and got a quantity discount like anyone else when I purchased 6 more recently. So you are saying that the product is intended to by modified (They intentionally waste extra tubing) and that you should have to play around with it to get it to work properly? Once I am done with work today I will take photos of the two products in water and post a link here from IMGUR for you to see my point in the way it sits about 2" below the surface. I don't feel a product being sold as a complete set should need to be modified or tinkered with to actually work as properly. As for the FLOTit, I am simply impressed with a superior design and felt it needed to be shared as a much better solution.
imgur.com/a/QzZOCiG Hopefully this visual will show you what I am discussing here and show you that there are better products in comparison that are much better. Not trying to be mean but as you asked me, do you work in the home brewing industry in any way?
@@BitterRealityBrewing I don't work in the industry, just a fellow homebrewer. I apologize if I came off overly harsh, though I was trying to go a bit overboard because if you listen to yourself in this video, it's almost comical how adamant you are that the kegland tubes don't work, when in reality they work quite well. In regards to your comment about modifying it to work, you 100% most certainly DO NOT need to cut the tubing or modify it in any way. Literally the only thing you have to do to get it to work is as the wort line is getting close to the bottom, you simply SLOWLY start to tilt the allrounder so that the trub is moved away from the dip tube. The 2 inches you're showing in the picture actually works out perfectly when you tip the allrounder because then the dip tube is basically resting on the now bottom of the fermenter and you'll leave very very little wort in the fermenter. The way you came out just unabashedly dogging the kegland tube without knowing how it works is what really bothers me. The reason they make this tube a little longer is a manufacturing decision. If it's a little long, cut the damn thing, it takes less than 5 seconds. They produce them all the same length like that so they'll work in the larger All Rounder along with a corny keg if you so choose. This works out quite well in the keg because if you want to get every last drop out of the keg, you can because of how it hangs below the float. You can't continue to come on TH-cam and give such biased and untested reviews. If you're not going to use the product correctly yourself, you should be linking to other BrewTubers who have done an review showing the item being used properly so that the people who watch your channel can form an educated decision. That's my two cents. If I've offended you, my apologies, but this world has enough misinformation in it at the moment, and when I see if bleed over into my hobbies I get a bit testy.
@@mattb6124 I fully understand your point of view and I probably shouldn't have been so grumpy as I am a very laid back person normally but I'm a very passionate person about things I enjoy like homebrewing. I was tired and was sitting their watching the tube heading for the trub and started to panic a bit and as the yeast cake (trub) wasn't rock solid I was concerned with moving the all rounder around too much disturbing the trub and I almost pulled out my transfer pump which is my standard go to for moving beer to keg but that is when I remembered I had the FLOTit devices and grabbed one of them as I had been really impressed with how well the first one did with a keg of beer.
I understand linking or mentioning other Homebrew TH-cam channels but as I am an IT person that knows SEO really well I feel like that is cheating and using someone else's popularity to build on your own so I try to avoid it unless I am giving credit to someone who has done something or mentioned something before me as I feel that is more of a sign of respect that should be shown. I agree with Brian @ Short Circuited Brewers and you that I should have toned it down a bit but I was annoyed and irritated as Kegland does have a fix for this which is an add-on filter that actually causes the tube to point upward a bit as it hits the trub but I don't feel I should constantly be buying fixes for issues but they are far from the only homebrew company doing the fix an issue and sell you an add-on which I'm kind of tired of seeing as of late. Brian felt I was bashing the other vendors products which I probably was to some degree but I am one of those people that hopes the vendors actually hear the issues and address them in future releases. Kegland and Torpedo both makes some really nice and useful products and nothing is perfect as everything can be improved on but I just felt (in my opinion) that these in comparison to a man in his garage (a homebrewer from my understanding) making FLOTit fell really short in product development.
I use a torpedo floating dip tube in a couple kegs, it pulls down to the same level as a regular dip tube without issue. If it's a better product at same or similar price then I'll have to check it out. If you stopped before you completed the transfer then you are only assuming it would leave that extra amount in the fermenter, maybe try filling with cleaner or sanitizer and compare how much gets left between the two options
Thank you for having an open mind as I didn't mean to upset people as I probably should have done this video when I wasn't so tired and annoyed with the product. I have 1 Torpedo and 1 Kegland version and they are good products I just feel the FLOTit is a huge step forward in the right direction. I also did some additional research and it appears the floating dip tubes have been around for almost 20 years (that I could find), started by that old Homebrewer DIY initiative. I saw some brewers talking about designing them on HomebrewTalk back in Oct 2011 which was amazing to see.
@@BitterRealityBrewing i think with the built in filter the other one definitely has added benefits as long as it doesn't clog easier which would be my concern using in a fermenter. I use a torpedo in my 10 keg that I use for pressure fermentation
@@JimmyJusa The filter on the FLOTit has kind of large opening so it would only block larger particulates compared to the new one out by Kegland which is finer mesh but as it is 360 coverage I doubt either would ever clog unless you had a lot of trub and even then I doubt it.
Hey, I wanted to circle back around because I had an idea for how to do a closed transfer w/ dip tube without having to open and hook out the filter. You can buy one of those corny keg lids with the gas diffuse stone on a tube. Take the diffuse stone off and let the tube hang down. Well, you essentially have a long dip tube third ball lock now. Just take the diffuser stone off.... let the tube hang down... and fill through that one.
I was just thinking about this the other day but haven't got around to trying it. But, basically you could leave the whole system closed fill there and leave your Out alone and sealed up.
What do you think? Might work right? Haha.
Great minds think alike as I was just thinking of this for a few reasons. One what you mentioned about filling without pumping liquid through the drip tube with the filter and allowing for the regular blow-off of excess CO2 during filling. (Just did this Saturday and had to keep pulling the release valve). The other option would be to have one in with the cab stone while slowly bringing it up to pressure to help it carb faster without worrying about the floating dip tube.
The SpundIT is a great product which is why I but his floating dip tube last year. But I always get a very foamy pour and I have to replace it with a regular dip tube. Ruined a batch because of oxygen. Any suggestions?
Sorry for the late response as I usually get email notifications on this but missed this one. Did you reach out to Tongo on eBay? He is usually response pretty quickly plus he is a homebrewer himself from my understanding. I would think there might be a problem if it is creating foam but I would expect O2 if you are referring to a Keg or fermenter as it should be full of CO2. Reach out to him on eBay as I don't know of any other way to contact him.
@@BitterRealityBrewing thanks for the response. The beer oxidize because I had to change the tube. I also switched out the o-ring to troubleshoot. I'll reach out to Tongo. Thanks again.
@@dandydray6243 Let me know what he says. Thank You.
Would it help to turn the fermenter 40 50 degrees or so leaving the trub to the side? That way the dip tube isn't above the cake. Also do you recommend the Fermzilla? I'm looking for a new fementer. Reviews of it are all over the place.
The tipping will help although my yeast cake wasn't as compact as many as it was a Saison yeast so any disturbance of the yeast cake would have disturbed the yeast a bit. Yes I would highly recommend the Fermzilla all rounder as I personally haven't used any others. I will eventually do a review but want to use it a bit longer first. I did order the fermentation jacket for it but it appears to be unavailable until sometime this spring but I do have it on order. I also ordered the chiller coil but to use it, it requires a lot of drilling so I will probably just order a 2nd lid so I have the option for when I do and don't want to use the chiller. I will say to open the lid either use a leather belt, a bike innertube, or grab the big version of a rubber strap adjustable wrench like this amzn.to/2PAJ0Un the big one barely works but it does. Morebeer had an OK deal on a complete kit which is where I grabbed mine and I was just disappointed with the floating dip tube included which I just realized as I'm looking at the deal it was supposed to come with the filter but I never got that in my kit. If you get the deal and it comes with the filter you will have a lot better performance as the filter actually pushed the dib tube up a bit as the filter will hit the trub before the tube does helping to prevent pulling trub into your tube which makes it a much better system with that one minor enhancement.
I have the same stuck lid problem with this fermenter I have. I had to get the what I call the big oil filter wrench to take it off. I have the all rounder kit bookmarked. Out of stock. Seems they added the filter. When I bookmarked it it didn't show a filter. I see what you mean with the dip tube. Funny reading the comments. It's like a Canon, Nikon, PS5, xbox or DJI fan boy. They'll just disagree cause they bought that product, stand by it & refuse to be wrong. I'm going to get the Fermzilla. I put my email to notify me when the whole kit is back in stock. Thanks for the response. Cheers 🍻
I almost forgot if you get the All Rounder before you put the sticker on for the measurements, put exactly one gallon or what ever amount you want to use for measuring. Then us a level and level the all rounder at least in 3 directions like a triangle to ensure it is perfectly level as this will help you to put the label on correctly so that you get accurate measurements in the future.
@@MasoThings So true and I was a little over the top as I wasn't at my best (tired, annoyed, and I hadn't mentioned in pain and when I'm in pain I'm like a mean drunk as I get really grumpy). What is really funny is I've had one person in the comments and a few others in email actually send me info after they first thought I was crazy stating that either they've always had the problem I was pointing out and didn't notice it or they just had the problem I mentioned for the very fist time. A few actually apologized for getting a little grumpy with me about what I said. At the end of the day I am happy to stir the pot a little as we all see the world differently and we all have opinions which we may not all agree on but if we were all the same and thought the same way this would be a very boring world. I was happy I was honest but I do regret being a little over the top with my annoyance at a 20 year old design that a ton of companies are selling.
As long as you're honest about it. I saw the imgur pics. made sense to me. Look at the review of the Hotor portable vacuum I did (I only have a few videos) The thing was terrible. Only a few comments but even though I showed on camera it didn't work. People refuse to accept it.
I have the all rounder and it works perfectly. It doesn't leave that much beer behind.
I agree the all rounder is a great fermenter but in regards to the floating dip tube that came with it, it is decent but I was shocked at how much better a 20 year old design could be. Sorry I was a little over grumpy in the video but a lot of people make the floating dip tube as it appears to have originally been invented by some homebrewers helping each other that never patented it but my issue was how much the tube points into the trub and how low it was from the top. I've had two people so far that actually were a bit grumpy with me about my video only to reach out and contact me afterwards and say "Wow, I thought this thing was great until I paid attention to it and now I see what you are taking about." I'm not saying it doesn't have a place in the market place but two of the companies making these are very innovative companies that could make a much better system and probably with little effort.
I got floatit 2.0 shipped to me today from Trong. I'm putting it to test tomorrow with a new brew day.
Awesome! Let me know what you think as I am almost done with my tests but moving this weekend which will put a bit more of a delay on me getting that video done.
@@BitterRealityBrewing will post updates here.
@@BitterRealityBrewing So I did the closed transfer today using the FLOTIT, it performed flawlessly. I got all my beer transferred, without any problem not even a clog or anything. Very happy brewer here, I even sent Trong an email to update him.
Thanks a lot for showing the device to the World, I wouldn't have known it if not for you.
Just bought my first 2 of these dip tubes you like. figure i will give them a try, can you give us a general length you cut the tube to for keg use? thanks keep up the good work!
I actually didn't cut the length as I like to try things as designed first. I will say all of the ones I've purchased have all been pre-cut to the exact same length which tells me the length of hose that was sent was taken into consideration. I have4 kegs going with the FLOTit and 1 Keg with the old style floating tube (it was in the keg before I did this video and the keg is almost empty) and I have one FLOTit in my All Rounder from the beginning and I was a little concerned with the yeast crusting up around the FLOTit but after moving the All Rounder it all fell loose so I'm not concerned and just need to get the pre-carbonated DIPA moved and cold crashed now.
He gives directions on how to properly cut the tubing length
@@jonthebeau4653 I'll double check that as I'll be starting 2 more kegs soon with a 3rd one not far behind but without trimming it for the first keg and using in the fermzilla also without modifications was impressive.
@@jonthebeau4653 Actually I was just cleaning out one of my kegs with one of the FLOTit devices in it and it sits pretty close to perfect uncut. If I cut more than 1 inch off I think I would leave more beer behind but I will check the others as it looked like they were all the same lengths but maybe this one is shorter but I'll need to verify it to confirm. (I ordered one before I ordered the other 6 so this might be the first one I ordered.)
I have one of the KegLand style. My biggest issue is getting the darn thing onto the short tube that replaced the liquid dip tube.
I didn't mention that as it can be a little frustrating but someone did point out that the FLOTit uses a slightly smaller hose that allows you to push the tube up through the keg opening so that you can put the tube on the liquid dip tube outside of the keg before putting it back in which does make things a lot easier.
@@BitterRealityBrewing I have solved the issue with 5/16" tubing temporarily perhaps. I will check with my local store to see if something like what you say might work here.
@@zzing Let me know but I suspect the metal tube might not let you slide anything (even very thin) and still be able to push it back in but I could be wrong and would love to know if you do find an easy solution.
Thanks for the info. Looking to add a floating dip tube to my keg. Will definitely purchasing a Flôt it…and an extra for the All Rounder. 🍻
Just did the same recently and just got a 2nd All Rounder.
Amen, agree the Kegland ones are rubbish. shame because they have a lot of great gear otherwise
Sadly they chose to use a VERY old design to make a quick but I will give them credit to at least coming up with the floating plastic filer that some other companies selling the same design didn't bother dealing with.
I thought you were gonna say don't buy the Floatit, after I just bought some.
That’s what you get for thinking 😂. 💕 talk to ya later rich
Never question yourself on a good decision unless your one of those people who makes bad decisions, then always question yourself. You are a Smart man, especially if you didn't buy the other ones that I did just to learn this lesson although in my defense one was part of the Fermzilla package deal.
Innovative homebrewers back in Oct 2011...doing the classic DIY Keg Floating Dip tube which seemed to go from using old Yeast Tubes to the SS floating ball system almost 20 years ago. Very impressed but that was 20 years ago (almost) so the FLOTit was just another step forward in design. www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/floating-dip-tube.275638/ Very impressed with their creativity.
I have a flotit in one of my kegs and I love it but you can tip the all rounder in it's frame in the direction of the diptube and get pretty much everything out of it.
I was tired and annoyed so I exaggerated a bit to get a point across as we all would naturally tip it as much as possible but my White Labs 565 yeast cake was still a bit young and soft so any movement disturbed it pretty easily.
@@BitterRealityBrewing you didn't exaggerate the difference in quality at all though. The floating diptube that comes with the pressure kit for fermzilla isn't any where near as good nor is their spunding valve near as good as the spundit 2.0
@@jonthebeau4653 Very, Very true. I haven't asked the seller but I am wondering if I can swap out the gauge on the Spundit 2.0 as I am trying to keg carbonate a Saison and I need almost 48 PSI so when I chill it down I'll be 3.6 for the carbonation. I am using a Kegland one at this moment with a higher rated gauge they sell that can be swapped out.
I think he's lying, he's getting a kick back.
😂😂😂 I'm was overtired, grumpy, and annoyed at the huge difference a guy in a garage could due compared to two major companies copying a 20 year old invention. Not that I have to prove anything but here is the photo my receipt for the 6 I purchased about a 1 month after I purchased the 1st one. imgur.com/H783roS
I think this is some great info as I was about to buy a bunch of these. However, isn't the "severity" of the issue largely due to using the floating dip tube in a fermenter rather than a keg? Losing a gallon is mainly due to the radius of your object. The designers of the floating tube intended it to be used with a smaller radius. I don't off the top of my head know what the inner diameter of a keg is but Wikipedia suggests the entire thing has a diameter of 8.5." If we take the worst case scenario (ignore wall thickness) and assume we still float 2" off the yeast-cake in a keg we would only lose .5 gallon of beer. π*4.25^2*2 ≈ 113.49 cubic inches. 113.5 cubic inches ≈ 0.49 gallons.
I guess it comes down to if you are okay with leaving beer behind to avoid any chance of picking up sediment. For me I think having the last pint maybe pull some sediment is worth getting that extra half a gallon of beer in my belly.
Yes and No. The floating dip tube from my understanding was designed for kegs but Kegland is using them in their Fermzilla fermenter which is a great idea for transferring the liquid without opening the fermenter but the dip tube could have been design better and at minimum it shouldn't hang so low without needing to be modified after the fact.
Do you know where the FLOTit is sold? The link provided does not populate the product. Thank you. Great video! I was about to buy the floating dip tube with the ball.
Thank you and I freshened the link as I guess eBay does make people update things from time to time which will impact the links - www.ebay.com/itm/284231525264?hash=item422d84e390:g:jloAAOSw6ZZf4ckq - I've added an updated one directly to eBay which is where he has sold for a while and is still currently.
@@BitterRealityBrewing does this product ever go above the beer line causing only co2 gas to be dispensed into my pint glass?
@@Natedavis4444 All of them do if they get snagged on something as I've had it happen with both a regular Kegland one and with one of the FLOTit and both were do to a hop bag being in the way in the pressure fermenters but not in a keg without extras floating around. If you have this without anything else in the keg, reach out to Trong as he is extremely helpful and quick to respond.
@@BitterRealityBrewing thank you
....and your video is exactly a week to late....Anyone want a Fermzilla floating dip tube?
Sorry as I didn't realize the drastic difference until last night. If it helps I have a Kegland aka Fermzilla floating dip tube and a Torpedo Buoy which appear to be almost identical. The Fermzilla one is a bit heavier from what I can tell.
@@BitterRealityBrewing we appreciate you putting out the content!! Great info! You’ve already saved me a ton of money!
@@overlandingadventurefamily6357 Awesome that is what I like to hear as I hate wasting money even when it isn't mine.
I actually use the keg land ss ball and tube.... cleans up all but the yeast cake.... great sounding argument without a studied base..
Michael, what would qualify as a "studied base" for you? I know I pushed this into an uncomfortable zone for some but have all three brands and seeing how they worked there was no real comparison. Keep in mind I did buy the new "add-on" filter from Kegland that actually helps to fix the problem but not with the filter directly. The filter actually hits the yeast cake (trub) and pushed the tip of the hose to help keep it from sucking in trub and the filter simply reduces some of the disturbed yeast from going into the tube while the liquid is being extracted from the container.
Tilt it over...?
You can tilt it a bit but the tip will hit the trub before all the beer is gone. The float is allowing the tube to be too low is the problem. If it closer to the floating part it would pull more beer before hitting the trub.
How do you tilt it over when it's in a keg in your keezer?
@EddTube You don't but luckily in a keg you lose less but great point.
I don’t need any of those gadgets friend .Prost
I'm an IT Guy, so I am all about gadgets but usually with wires connected to them. 😀😀😀