Molag Bal vs Mehrunes Dagon - Who Came Closer to Conquering Tamriel? - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we pit Mehrunes Dagon against Molag Bal.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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Dagon’s plane of oblivion just seemed to me to be a lazy replication of our own image of hell and that never really made sense to me given his sphere of influence (ambition, change, revolution) but then I came to realise that volcanic activity, while destructive, also changes the environment and creates new landmass. Change through brutal and violent upheaval, that’s very much Dagon.
Well.. he is also closest deadra to our image of Lucifer and satan. Who wanted change and rebellion against god
danit187 I hadn’t thought about that, I always saw Molag Bal as the “evil, enslave everyone” devil figure but you’re right with the Lucifer/Satan take!
Dagon's plane of Oblivion is Soviet russia
@@DaniDaWolf Ah but Lucifer wanted to rule the universe not to destroy it.
His ambition was not merely to destroy and change the order but to place himself as the new God.
Molag Bal is a being of corruption, domination, deception, and enslavement. He wishes to see all mortals bound to his will. He sought to steal the mortal realm from the gods so that his rule would be supreme.
Both are certainly Satanic but molag bal comes closer.
Dagon is a fiery demon, molag bal is a serpent like demon.
Dagon destroys while molag bal seeks to corrupt the godly, to separate humanity from the divines. He even created vampires just to spit in the eyes of a god.
I find quite ironic that Molag Bal, the Daedric Prince of domination and enslavement, is enslaved and dominated himself, by the concepts of his being. I dare say, incapable of free will.
The same can be applied to Mehrunes Dagon, he represents change, revolution, but as a Daedric Prince, the last thing he's going through is change. He'll be forever a symbol for those concepts.
Rest of Tamriel: OMG DAEDRIA IS INVADING!
DAEDRIA: OMG ARGONIANS ARE INVADING!!!
Lmao what the fuck is a daedria
@@Seth-uo4zn Pipe down beta cuc
@@tsb3208 I'd listen to your advice if you could spell
@@Seth-uo4zn it’s called devil now beg
@@endlessabyss3135 ok edgy boi
Dagon when he didn’t conquer anything, but a dynasty was ended:
“I see this as an absolute win!”
Still didn't conquer anything, and he never will now that the gates are closed forever. Tamriel will heal and another great dynasty will come again
@@caiawlodarski5339 He wanted to destroy tamriel. He wanted a specific kind of change. You know what changed? A bloodline died out but the whole reason he wanted to destroy that specific bloodline was so he could invade.
His invasion failed, the bloodline died but in the process he got his ass beat by a dragon god, and was permanently cut off from the world that he keeps failing to conquer.
Yes he likes change but he had an obvious goal in mind. He had a plan that failed.
Change and revolution doesn't demand a daedric invasion. Destroying the world does.
What did you think after he smashed enough buildings that he would just walk back into oblivion and watch what happens next?
@@caiawlodarski5339 So he isn't actually the daedra of destruction then?
He got his booty beat and severely limited his influence on tamriel.
What did you expect him to do after invading tamriel; smash a few buildings, kill martin, and then just walk back into oblivion?
Why the need for an invasion if his goal was to kill the septims? Clearly the mythic dawn could do that much.
@@caiawlodarski5339 Isn't that why paradise was an eternal torture chamber?
So dagon intended on getting his ass handed to him (weird). Where's the evidence?
Tell me again, what happens after Dagon invades tamriel in person and kills martin? He just leaves?
Yeah, you can chalk that up to bad writing. Or maybe like paradise he would preserve fragments of nirn for continued destruction.
However if you think a permanent barrier keeping him out of nirn is a victory then you are crazy. He got neutered.
@@caiawlodarski5339 All of which were indirectly products of his failure.
Really? What evidence suggests Dagon knew that Martin would sacrifice himself to beat dagon?
Was killing that puny mortal only achievable by such humiliation?
The after effects of his failure may help him sleep at night but he still failed.
no, the previous barrier was sustained through a conditional contract. The new barrier has no conditional contract. It is permanent.
The greatest threat to tamriel is crash to desktop. None of the daedric princes even come close.
😂😂😂👍🏻
Well get a console then. PC is shite.
Nah mate the most dangerous one is the crash where it just freezes and you have to restart your computer to get out of it
@@digtoodeepgetstuckindahole6992 lmao you gotta be joking
I think you mean file corruption.
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thank you Sheogorath, very cool!
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Wait...
Where did you get the cheese sheogorath
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Dagon: "How'd it go with the humans?"
Dremora: "Good."
Dagon: "Good. The elves?"
Dremora: "Good."
Dagon: "Good. The lizards?"
Dremora: "We got pretty messed up."
Dagon: "Goo- wait, what!?"
lmao
Lizards? More like fucking physic trees
Insert Hist Laughing.:)
HISTerical laughter ensues
Dremora: look man, they had some fucked up trees
Molag Bal is the only Daedric prince that seemingly has no redeemable qualities. The closest thing to pure evil. At least from the perspective of mortals.
Well he looks cool and thats good enough
I would pick Herma Mora he's nice Daedric Prince compared to the 2 in this Video
@@real_Pinoy Meridia.
Raider Fox she doesnt really count does she..? She’s just an aedra who said fuck no im keeping my power because i want to root out evil. She doesnt get bored like the rest. And she certaintly isnt evil.
He gives vampirism to some mortals, which is seen as a blessing by many.
Dagon: Invades Tamriel
Argonian Maids: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
You know why Bal lost?
Because his hand TOUCHED THE BEACON
Hamza Feroz
molag bal: what's this shiny rock doing here?
meridia: A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON!
mb: OW WTF!? my ears! give a warning next time!
m: listen! hear me and obey!
mb: what? I'm the Prince of domination here! you'll obey me!
m: a foul darkness has infected my temple...
mb:your not even listening are you?
m:A NEW HAND...
mb: OUCH ALRIGHT ILL DO WHAT YOU SAY! just stop talking please!
@@dorianrobinette9712 Meridia: Prince of Domination? Ha nobody is safe from my Beacon
First time I played through Skyrim I was wearing headphones and that line damn near stopped my heart. I literally tore my headphones off 😭
Joseph Halbohn tbh I've never really understood why people hate that line so much. it's never been that loud for me. idk maybe its because I don't wear headphones.
In headphones it was incredible and I guess I usually play my games pretty loud in the first place
I love how whatever mod gave the models for Molag Bal's daedra gave them pretty boy faces.
Should have used the ESO cutscenes
Man, I love Xivkyn.
No idea why they never use eso to show the real thing. So much scenery and badass enemies wasted, while for Oblivion they always take the extra effort to show off what they talk about..
@@Nova-tu9xi Well, in Skyrim and Oblivion you can toggle the camera which is better for taking nice cinematic shots, so it might just be a matter of what works for making a video. I doubt there are console commands for ESO.
@@spoonyofsalty1167 Yeah but look at most of the scenes in this video... just generic third person fighting with transparent UI. You can do that in any game. Even just showing simple views of coldharbour or a dark anchor dropping would've been nice instead of showing some snowy area in skyrim. Stealth for shots of enemies. Surely something can be done.
Dagon didnt fail... the invasion was unsuccesful, but he ultimately achieved his goal: Revolution
All he did was replace on dynasty with another. Like the ERE the Tamrielic Empire is pretty chaotic
Alex Porter Skyrim is literally about this new empire being met with another rebellion due to the consequences of the Oblivion Crisis. His attempted conquest brought about exactly the kind of thing that he wanted.
@@alexporter7379 Actually, he did succeed in changing those in power in several provinces. When the Daedra besieged Summerset, it was the (at the time) unpopular faction known as the Thalmor who came into power. And the Argonian's, thanks to the An-Xileel who were pushed to power by the Hist, used the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis to attack and capture much of southern Morrowind.
Castro would be proud.
Revolution isn't exactly his goal its just a byproduct.
I didnt know one of his titles was "king of rape" I'm sure thats why the girl from the dawnguard dlc doesnt want to talk about the ritual she had to undertake for the dark gift
Serana also talks about “Surviving it” so it must have been pretty brutal
I have a feeling that Bal's dick is a dagger
Molag ball - "i have a dagger and a dick and one of them is going inside you
Serana - "Whats the difference?
@@l0necroc it probably is... And that turns me on
I need a hentai about that
@@ivans.5959 God's love has its limits and you crossed them
I think it's fair to say that Dagon didn't fail. His one goal was to change Tamriel and bring the system to it's knees, which 100% did happen. He killed off the Septim Dynasty, caused the non-mage survivors to grow a distaste for magic that persist 200 years later, and ended the freaking era. He put Cyrodill into a position where it could be challenged, leading to the Second Aldmeri Dominion and the War. The events fulfilled another part of the elder scrolls and allowed for the return of Alduin to occur. It's getting to the point where ES VI might not even have an Empire, with the war in Skyrim raging on, Morrowind practically uninhabitable, and every other province weakened or angry at the crown. Hammerfell already broke away, and they were the ones who arguably gave Cyrodill a chance by forcing the Altmer into leaving the province. Skyrim is in it's own civil war, and they have constantly saved the many Empires from death before (the liberation of the Imperial City included). Argonia now exists, and they hate basically everyone. Elyswer is now with Valenwood and Altmeris. The only ones still loyal are High Rock, who didn't get hit that hard and were successful.
Dagon won his war, and Tamriel will feel it's events for centuries
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Wow, he's like an arch daedric prince
You forgot the Daedric Prince so powerful that he was able to conquer all of Tamriel before even being discovered by the residents of Tamriel. He ascended from man, to Daedra, to Daedra Lord, to Divine, to something far, far greater. He created an entire new universe just to do whatever the hell he wanted with it to cure his endless desire for what he knows as fun, and for the torture of mankind. The Daedric Lord of Willpower, Fear, Greed, and Creation, Todd Howard was the greatest and most powerful Daedric Lord of all time.
Godhead Todd. AKA, Toddhead.
What about Nazeem? He’ll send you straight to the Cloud District.
Everytime I think I'm done with Skyrim this channel reignites the fire.
Honestly, we need an tes6 quick before we combust.
The dragonfires
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Done with Skyrim? Is that even possible?
Hayden Pincombe Same
Sheogorath came the closest cause hes still wandering around with his champion Maiq the liar
Tho i will say the Sanguine is still chilling in that castle i met him in. I wandered in finding him killing the newly spawned bandits XD
And cheeses, never disrespect chesses...
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Wait, Scratch that
Cheese for no one
Maiq is never in a delicate state of mind
@@pilotero3898 which is just as much a celebration if you don't like cheese.
M'aiq agrees with your comment
The most dangerous is Todd Howard. Daedric Prince of Broken Games
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Daedric Prince of the chess club
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“If you had to choose between total domination and being enslaved” kinky
Dude, seriously?!
Id give a like but it's already at 69
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Domination all the way, I love bdsm stuff
Angel dust ???
Pfft no contest. Good old Sheo has already won.
That's not how you spell my waifu's name, it's Azura :D
You're both wrong. Sithis will rule with the souls we send to the Void as his subjects
Cheeeeese!
If he was Jyggalag still he would have won already all the worlds.
@@conios9141 Jyggalag had to be fought by all the other princes just to change him into Sheogorath... His power was probably relaesed and now Jyggalag is free because we, the player, mantled Sheogorath in Oblivion.
What fun it would be to serve Jyggalag.
Mehrunes Dagon: Invades
Argonians: so you have chosen death
That still makes me laugh. The Argonians were the absolute most prepared for the Oblivion Crisis thanks to the Hist, and they charged right in as the gates opened, forcing them to close.
Molag Bal had to fight a lot more players than Mehrunes Dagon
Not to mention another daedric lord. I don't recall any daedra lord fighting against the oblivion crisis.
@@23Raind
No he fought the god of time in aka's home turf.
Molag lost in his own realm, that's pathetic
@@the_dropbear4392 Molag lost when fighting meridia and the power of the amulet of kings. Dagon did not lose to akatosh but an avatar created through the power of the amulet.
Akatosh's home turf is aetherius. Being on mundus drains their power. Which is why they rarely (almost never) manifest there.
@@23Raind
Meredia didn't fight Molag in the final fight.
Also Mundus doesn't drain the aedra anymore, the magic flowing through from atherius stabilized it
@@the_dropbear4392 Yes it does drain their power. Objectively. If it is "home turf" why do the aedra inhabit aetherius? Wouldn't they live in nirn as the daedra live in their oblivion realms? Finally for the sake of the argument lets say it doesn't. Regardless dagon fought an avatar not actually akatosh.
See, i'm all for team Dagon. But he loses so much now, I honestly don't even laugh about it anymore. It's kind of sad.
That one buff villiam in every show who makes elaborate plans to be defeated time and time again. Feelsbadman
Dagon didn't lose, at all. His sphere is of Revolution, Change, Energy, Ambition and Destruction. Just think about the consequences of the Septim Dinasty disappearance. The Oblivion Crisis is his biggest victory, and the greatest victory a Daedric God has ever achieved.
@@beff2372 Dude, he wanted to destroy tamriel not merely change the culture and politics of the world. He got his ass handed to him by a divine and was permanently trapped in oblivion. Things changed, but not remotely in the way he wanted it to.
What you're talking about isn't victory. It's an after effect that can act as consolation prize.
The greatest victory a daedric God has ever achieved is getting their ass kicked and getting permanently separated from nirn?
I would think boethiah defeating the champion of akatosh and turning him into a pathetic ghost of his former self was a greater victory. You know, because it was an actual victory.
@@caiawlodarski5339 He got his ass kicked. And ruined his chance to ever pull another invasion. His assasins could end the dynasty without a daedric invasion. They ended the septim dynasty so that they could invade.
Dagon failed. Completely.
Well most revolutions fail horribly, so it makes sense
The argonian hist trees are the "if China is 8 hours ahead of us why didn't they warn us of 9/11" meme
But unironically
Would rather serve Hermaus Mora, all the Hentai and books anyone could ever want
Forbidden knowledge *wink* *wink*
I would serve Hircine. He is the fair judgement of sport. And doesn't want to kill anything really. Just the thrill of the chase and the danger of following it
Yeah Hermaeus Mora REALLY likes tentacle hentai
@@rejvaik00 hircine and azura arent too bad
@@unlimitedpower1385 yeah no azura is not good. she cursed an entire race for the sins of only 3 individuals.
Tell you what. Had Emperor Uriel Septim not being naughty and having an unofficial heir there wouldn't be a discussion
10:48 Damn, Argonians went HAM on Mehrunes and the Daedra. Gives me new found respect for them.
I don't know how a powerful race like the argonians got slaved by some filthy gray skins.
@@thattastedpurple4246 because the argonians never before had a centralized government. They were split in small tribes all over Blackmarsh and failed to unite until the hist called on them for the oblivion crisis. Small tribes stand no chance against the dunmer armies, but once they were united they obliterated every dunmer they came across and still hold a good part of morrowind under their control.
@@ichbinjasokreativ2452 Well.. not really. They didn't slaughter anything. Slavery was terminated as consequence of the creation of the Ebonheart Pact. Still, they were still treated terribly by the dunmer then.
With that being said, the argonians are 90% of the reason why the Ebonheart Pact is the good one of the three factions. Nicest people ever.
@@ReallyUnexplainable Yes they did slaughter a lot of Dunmer. The Argonian Invasion of Morrowind in the 4th Era remember? Also slavery wasn't terminated, not all Dunmer Houses joined the Ebon Heart Pact, neither did all Argonians or even all Nords. And aftr the Ebonheart Pact was disbanded, slavery came right back. House Dres never stopped using slaves, even when the Empire forbade it in the 3rd Era.
They have magical tree hacks
I’d say Dagon was more successful because he ended the Septim bloodline which forever changed the Empire and fate of Tamriel.
Could you do a video about what if Queen Potema was revived? This has a lot of interesting implications because by right she’d be the only heir to the throne as the sole living Septim so the Empire would be hers! How would she deal with the Thalmor? An unholy army of undead?! 🤩🤩🤩
SuperGiantRobot Rocket that would be awesome! The wolf queen questline is one of my favorites!
Unholy army of undead made by corrupted thalmor corpses, it just get bigger and bigger with each combat
The empire very much wouldn't be hers. The septims aren't in power the Medes are.
Also she won't be able to prove who she is, and even if she could no same person would want to follow an undead tyrant
@@the_dropbear4392 like every special character in elder scrolls (specially the septims) don't have the power of BULLSHIT to do their will
@@the_dropbear4392 It would be pretty easy to prove that the Wolf Queen Potema was resurrected lol. If the Amulet of Kings were still around all she'd have to do is find it and wear it while marching into Imperial City and not only would the dragonfires be lit again, but no one could challenge her claims, and with her insane power no one could challenge her rule.
Mehrunes Dagon actually acomplished something and left a big impact on Tamriel with him ending The Septim Dynasty.
That had literally no effect whatsoever. You can see in skyrim, only a few years later, where people have another emperor and nobody gives a f***. Molag Bal fed the ears of the three rulers of the Daggerfall Covenant, Aldmeri Dominion, and Ebonheart Pact, using war and destruction to almost take Tamriel for himself. They both failed in what they wanted to do, but Molag Bal had an overall bigger success doing it. The problem with this video is that the narrator is boosting the effect that dagon had after the oblivion crisis. Too bad we can see the effect, and only a few years later, in a region that is closer to Bruma (where the big gate of oblivion was opened) than the imperial city, and people barely mentions it.
@@ReallyUnexplainable No impact? The Empire was severely weakened due to the Oblivion Crisis.
@@maximaldinotrap Surely not as much as it was during the planemeld. I mean, the empire was literally in the hands of Molag Bal's forces. The regent empress of the time answered to mannimarco, who was a subject of Molag Bal.
@@ReallyUnexplainable Shut up.
The Empire is falling apart and all of Tamriel is in complete chaos, all of this because of Dagon. No amount of "blah, blah, blah" will change that.
@@aviniciussouza100 you're wrong, but feel free to cry more bitch.
Always thought it was weird how Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon weren't bitter rivals. Domination vrs Revolution seems like a better rivalry. I get the story but they seem like better rivals due to their spheres of influence.
Playing oblivion as my first ES game, they built dagon up to have the reputation of molag bal, so its weird hearing him associated with "hope" and elevating the lower classes. Like i expected all of tamriel to burn, not a coup
I love the Argonians reaction to the Oblivion crisis. While everyone else was freaking out, the lizards went "You've yeed your last haw!"
Plot twist fallout is what happened once mehrunes dagon plan worked out
Wirr Ling Molag Hal did it out of spite
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FudgeMuppet: what would you choose?
Me:....death?
One thing is to be said in Bal's defense:
Dagon's mortal servant actually planned to help him reach his goal, whereas mannimarco always plotted against Molag Bal.
Molag Bal knew Mannimarco was gonna betray him, and Mannimarco knew Molag Bal knew. Basically they were planning to screw each other. Perfect pair.
What about Uncle Sheo's Portal in Oblivion? A Reverse Invasion:
*Insanity doesn't find you, you go and find it.* :)
It broke no rules or covenants it was a request/invitation for someone to enter not invading nirn
i Really like when Molag Bal admits defeat at the end of eso, and calls you strong
Why do you never use footage from ESO? It would have been perfect for this
What with Skyblivion and Skywind, I'm surprised no ones tried to make Skyeso
@@iplat That would just be the entire Tamriel which they are busy making.
there is actually a addon to make every other player invisible + the molag bal scenes arent with other players.
Main story stuff usually puts you in your own instance
When I first saw how Molag Baal looked entirely I loved his design because it fits how evil he is and I think he's supposed to be the strongest deadra but I've always personally kinda hated him over all the other deadra even dagon
He is the most evil daedra but when it comes to power then the strongest will be jyggallag. He is so mighty that all the other deadra including molag bal team up to curse him into sheogorath.
@@reynergavrila250true, and despite sheogorath being insane, he still holds the power of jyggallad, until the shivering islands at least, making sheogorath the strongest among all daedras, tho he never uses his power to conquer and destroy.
Mehrunes learned from molag’s mistake, and still lost 😂
These videos helped me find my love for Skyrim again. I can’t get enough!
Nice one, Drew! Really enjoyed this comparative Elder Scrolls lore.
Is being a daedric artifact worth it?
Depends on whose daedric artifact you are. If you're Clavicus Vile's daedric artifact, you'll probably be able to screw him over in some way and gain immense power.
Or if youre sanguines youll liably be carried around by some one whos always heading to bars and parties
@@caiawlodarski5339 the great pink dragon bone dildo
I don't recommend being a dwemer artifact tho, those assholes Peryite and Malacath always steal us!
I would definitely be the wabbljack
Fudgemuppet: Coldharbor has a tower that’s like the white gold tower but it’s charred and splatter with excrement and blood??
Me: So who sat on it?
Mehrunes Dagon always has been and always will be my favorite Daedra in every playthrough no matter what im doing i use the Razor
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But.... Dagon *did* conquer Tamriel. He caused the fall of the Septim dynasty. He got precisely what he was after. He is the god of revolutions, not of what comes after.
He accomplished a secondary goal his primary goal was to destroy tamriel though
@@joeytoofly5139 actually that's flipped......he wanted to bring about change, and destruction was his secondary goal. From destruction you can rebuild so it wouldn't last long if he only caused that, he wanted change more than anything, I assume he wanted to conquer Tamriel as a side thing, but his main objective was to change power influxes and to cause chaos all around(which he did, as seen in Skyrim, his chaos and change is still relevant and it's still going downhill)
Well that's an interesting spin on getting punched out by a dragon god. Does it count as a win if the tyrant beaten down is himself? Do you also want to give him credit for the revolution of the planets while your at it?
Molag Bal came the closest, he literally had imperial city taken, and controlled most of the imperial legion armies, only reason he failed was all 3 alliances United and defeated him with shear numbers
Not even he could stand against The Swarm
That's true. He had his hands into everything, and everywhere. Not only had he taken the imperial city, but was the reason why the factions' territory were in a mess, as well as the reason why a treaty wasn't even an option.
Escanor The Lion Sin of Pride
This is actually true. Molag did get the closest to a total-win takeover of Nirn.
But Dagon IMO accomplished more with his invasion since he destroyed the septim dynasty and the empire itself.
@@SmartAss4123 He didn't destroy shit. Skyrim is only a few years after Oblivion, and the empire is doing fine.
ReallyUnexplainable
Really now? So cyrodill, high rock and half of skyrim being all thats left of the empire, the death of all the blades agents, the massive loss to the aldmeri dominion in the great war only BARELY recovering the White Gold tower thanks to a massive Skyrim reinforcement and subsequent subjucation STILL after getting white gold tower back to the point where thalmor agents have authority as far as skyrim and the empires doing just fine?
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Your definition of "fine" seems spotty to me.
Dagons goals were accomplished since his sphere is "revolution and change" just as much as destruction is.
And he did destroy several provinces cities and areas. Except for black marsh and Alinor of course.
Black marsh was protected thanks to the Hist trees. And Alinors mages at the crystal tower somehow closed most oblivion gates.
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If you really think about, Dagon actually DID succeed. He may not have ruined Tamriel completely, but he altered it permanently, its aftershocks being felt centuries afterward.
The Oblivion Crisis failed... but its creator still won.
The Courier came closer, obviously
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If given the choice I'd say Dagon. Because, while yes having your homeland invaded by a god along with his minions might be a bummer, at least Dagon promises something will come after the destruction. Molag Bal only promises eternal suffering.
It’s funny one of my favorite play throughs, I used both of there weapons the razor and the mace lol
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Dagon's goal was chaos and change, even a single mortal can do that. Molag's was complete domination of Nirn and all within it. One of these is clearly much harder to accomplish than the other. While Molag's defeat was embarrassing he _did_ manage to control the imperial city and it's legions for a while and could have very well defeated the armies invading coldharbour eventually if it wasn't for Meridia helping his enemies and that little bit of divine intervention by the vestige destroying his psychical form.
It's a little unfair to compare these events _too much_ because they had completely different objectives and one had many more enemies fighting against him. But yes, in the end Dagon was much more successful in his goals and _did_ end a dynasty which is impressive.
One could argue that Mehrunes Dagon didn't really fail, many things did change after the Oblivion crisis after all.
Love this video. Keep up the work guys! Molag Bal is my favorite lord, and would love to see you guys doing a revamp of his champion!
Your favorite daedric lord is the brutal rapist?
WHY?!
@@wiseferret4745 Love the name. I own three ferrets myself. But to be honest, I just love how the simple concept behind him. Other Deadric lord's have their own agendas behind the things they do. Molag Bal is just the most vile and heartless of them all. Not to mention he's the creator of all Vampire's, to which makes me like him even more. Hircine is tied with Molag for the same reason. Except he isn't all about destroying stuff, and just wants a good hunt.
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Omg no.
Molag Bal = patron of literal rape
Hircine = aspect of nature
Molag Bal's gift = raping a priestess to undeath
Hircines gift = ferocious human-animal amalgamation
@@wiseferret4745 Too early for this lol 😂
Your voice gave more emphasis on the severity of the story. Good job.
Idk if it's been commented already, but in ESO there was also the threat of Nocturnal, Mephala, and Clavicus Vile (the latter two betrayed by the former) who tried to take over the Crystal Tower to remake existence.
Would you consider making a video exploring what would happen if an unlikely alliance between the Dunmer and Orsimer sprung up?
I’m just thinking: the Dunmer and Orsimer are the two races of “corrupted” elves who worship Daedra, they’ve both been knocked out of a foothold in the world, and their skills combined would make for a devastating army.
There’s a little (okay, a lot) of bad blood between Malacath and Boethiah but as peoples they have more in common with most non-human races so... what if?
You know considering that we had a whole debate in the comment section under the last video about why the vestige wasnt included in who was the strongest protagonist, this is a good follow up to that.
The boss fight against Molag Bal was so fucking cool! I also have to admit it was so on brand for him to not be necessarily mad when you beat him; it’s almost like he gets off on his prey breaking out of its snare, giving him more dominating to do.
I love how Dagon's invasion was *mostly* sucessful everywhere... except black marsh where the deadra had to slam the doors shut and keep them shut to prevent *the ream of oblivion* from being outright invaded.
Actually, Nocturnal got REALLY close aswell. You can see this in ESO's Summerset questline.
Could you spoil me please?
thanks for spoiling
@@user-wr6dj4ib9o it has been 2 years mate. If you haven't played yet, that's on you.
So you talked about molag bals invasion but you didn’t bring up the vestige last video
Making video about the main event in ESO without any ESO footage. Fucking legend.
Dagon is my favorite prince and I believe the strongest. Everything is subject to change... knowledge, light, dark, disease, betrayal, decay, domination, nightmares, the hunt, curses, madness, lies, pacts, the twilight, and blackout drinking contests. All cannot exsist without change.
I’d like to see you guys do some more ESO stuff. I noticed you didn’t even use that much footage. Is there a reason why you guys don’t? It’s a great game and it’s expanding the canon, and lore of our beloved franchise. You guys do such a great job and I’d love to see you tackle things from ESO more.
If the proposed changes for the dragonhold dlc go through, It certainly won't be worth playing ESO
@@andonemaniac8220 yeah I'm sure people would give up a game in which they spent thousands of hours because another shift in the meta...
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There were some changes in Peryite lore. Should this one upload the pieces?
What armor mod is that at the beginning with the Imperial Cape? it looks great!
Cloaks of Skyrim, PC only I think.
who said Dagon even lost? He is the Daedric Prince of change essentially. I'd say all of his secondary goals came to fruition and he carried out his task well. The Empire is crumbling and strife is everywhere.
"unsavory bastard" I lost my shit xD
Can you do a video of hypothetical ranking Daedric Princes by their power based on the knowledge we currently have on the TES series?
IMO it goes like this: Sheo> Nocturnal> Mr Hentai> Azura> Meridia> Vaermina> Mephala> Boethiah> Hircine> Dagon> Namira> Bal> Sanguine> Malacath> Juggyboi> Peryite> Vile
@@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 That's exactly why it would be good for him to give a researched view on the topic to reach some general concensus. Because it makes no sense (to me at least) for malacath to be stronger than jyg and vaermina to be stronger than bal but this is just my opinion. And who better to ask than mr. daedraologist himself lol. (But i agree that Sheo is OP af)
They already did a video titled "The Strongest Daedric Prince" tho. It's very good.
@@HeyElizabethPrice yes, but i think it would be a tasty snack to the TES community if here was to compare the princes between themselves in a full 20-ish minute video and gives us his opinion which of course doesn't mean anything since it's bethesda that makes plot but is still a decent thought provoking video based on numerous tidbits throughout the game
@@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 really meridia more powerful than dagon and bal?
Honestly in terms of these two princes Mehrunes Took the cake. This is because He actually got what he wanted just not in the way he originally wanted. Because unlike Molag Bal Mehrunes actually succeeded in bringing one aspect of his very nature to forever change Tamriel. Especially killing all the Septims which was the big one. Not even Molag Bal could kill off the biggest obstacle in the path Daedric conquest yet Mehrunes succeeded easily. Plus if it wasn’t for Dagon the Thalmor wouldn’t exist in the first place. Which does make Mehrunes win because Molag Bol failed in every part of his invasion. Plus I bet he just wanted to rape and kill more women to create more pure blooded vampires. Although I will say this. Nocturnal came the closest to dominating all of existence yes you heard me right all of existence not just nirn. By using the crystal tower in summerset she invaded every dimension in existence including Aetherius and Many others by using the crystal tower. Only to be stopped by the Vestige before everything would turn to shadow and eternal darkness. In fact it actually makes sense that Mehrunes destroyed the crystal tower because if another daedric prince or any divine being for that matter got a hand on it then everything he stands for will never happen again which he probably couldn’t afford.
Imagine if Jyggalag shows up during Oblivion Crisis and battle against Dagon in Imperial City, it will be Order vs Destruction lmao
Imperial Soldier he did invade during the oblivion crisis technically
What do u mean the Thalmor wouldn't be here without dagon they were in eso before that event even happened
@@jovanihernandez1640 Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall weren't there multiple Aldmeri Dominions kind of how there were multiple empires; so perhaps he paved way to the more recent dominion which quickly rose to power after the collapse of the Septim dynasty.
@@TheMannedMan if I remember correctly there's the aldmeri dominion and the thalmor in eso
Woah this video actually answers the question in the title
“Dawn is breaking”
Are there any daedric lords that don’t have a hobby of CONQUERING ALL OF NIRN because that is the one I would worship.....
Daedra:
Azura,
Mephala,
Clavicus Vile,
Hircine,
Boethiah,
Malacath,
Sanguine,
Meridia,
Nocturnal,
Jyggalag
Aedra:
Akatosh,
Arkay,
Dibella,
Julianos,
Kynareth,
Mara,
Stendarr,
Talos,
Zenithar
@@statiichydra1351 jyggalag would probably have conquered mundus after finishing with the other planes
@@statiichydra1351 nocturnal made an attempt by grasping the "heart of transparent law!"
But you will get stuck in the endless hunt and that drives you crazy. Plus let’s be honest he’s made a play already ever herd of the wood elf blood pact why you think their so weird and canabalistic
Hircine
I just realized, unless I'm bad at searching, you don't have a video on the Elder Scrolls themselves and how they function/lore.
The Elder Scrolls contain all possible time lines, as well as embodying history and knowledge of almost any possible concept. The librarian at the College of Winterhold in Skyrim explains that the Elder Scrolls archive all possible pasts, presents, and futures.
awesome video :D
The skins of those you love will fly as my banners.
I was sad when I couldn't REALLY join the Mythic Dawn. I kind of wanted Dagon to win...
That's one thing The Elder Scrolls games lack. A lack of options and freedom to choose the evil and villanous side if you wanted too.
Imagine if there was an Elder Scrolls game where these two fought or even teamed up to destroy/conquer Nirn
Daedra rarely if ever see eye to eye. These two especially do not listen to the whims of others. It is their way or the oblivion highway.
Dagon and Molag Bal hate each other
@@Chodesity2012 didn't they gang up on jyggolag together?
@@slimretro2659 all the daedra did. Doesn't mean they like each other. They were just scared of Jyggalag.
Watching your videos always fill me with nostalgia love your work❤
Just the video I wanted x
I feel like the dragon born could be strong enough to take them both in five years or so
Vestige is far stronger than dragonborne
Im really surprised on how weak some of these princes are. If the hero of kvatch can defeat the strongest daedric princes in his weakest state, which is still impressive.
the dragonborn is more powerful than hero of kwatch was, then dragonborn can obliterate all daedric princes if they're in a weaker state.
@@slimretro2659 Hero of Kvatch is more powerful than the dragonborn
@@squidleprechaun2751 that was a funny joke, but lorewise the hero of kvatch is a powerful mortal who achieved great things, but the dragonborn is literally an infinite shouting machine and killed a God (Alduin) and Miraak (who's shout was so powerful he ripped off a part of skyrim and that became solsteim)
@@slimretro2659 Yeah now that I think about it, he might be stronger, but I don't think he can shout like a mini gun lorewise, those are just players taking advantage of the game, fudgemuppet did a video on it.
Well mehrunes Dagon actually physically entered Tamriel during his attempt to take over Tamriel
So Dagon came the closest clearly winning this question
And broke the barrier between mundus and oblivion
Last time I was this early, the Dragon War was still going on
I mean... so technically speaking, Mehrunes Dagon succeeded. His goal was change and upheaval, and that’s what he got. The end of a centuries spanning dynasty and the beginning of strife that would ravage the land for centuries to come? Yeah I think he did pretty good for what he was trying to accomplish
How about a Fallout 4 build based on Allcheastbreach?
Would really love to see Jyggalag's true powers unleashed on Nirn, as the daedric prince of Order not madness.
Awesome video. What is the Imperial type armor your character is wearing?
I would also like to know
I think Bal was on to something with the creation of the vampires. Tameriel (especially Skyrim and Cyridil) is absolutely infested. Despite the ignorance of the masses, vampires are a constant and huge threat. Mortals empowered with the blood of a daedric prince are incredibly powerful.
Here’s what I’m thinking: what if Bal made vampires into artificial daedra? Just like what Rada Al’Saran tried resurrected vampires could be an eternaly growing force so long as the here are mortals to turn. If you measured pure blood vampires like Lamea or Harkon against your average dremora they’d absolutely dominate them. Not to mention the fact that vampiric strains occasionally “mutate” or new strains are gifted by Bal. Not to mention that the predatory instincts that come with the condition corrupting mortals would be much easier. I think Bal missed a huge opportunity by not keeping closer tabs on these undead leeches
I wonder only about 1 thing. Why showing skyrim, mods when elder scrolls online and elder scrolls oblivion show what he is talking about? Don't get me wrong, I find what is said interesting, but what is shown in skyrim is not the true thing. It's like a video I saw on the sload. Why show a skyrim mod with badly made sload when eso's summerset dlc actually show us sload (which clearly don't look like what the mod was showing)
You can’t use the camera the same way because there’s no console commands in eso, and you’d see the ui in every shot, not to mention the players running around
@@mattsoraven1309 yes I play eso and there are constantly players walking around everywhere i go. Thats a load of bullshit! And there is a way to hide the ui. You don't have cinematic camera but you do have the actual thing, not some fan non cannon concep.
Exactly. And while we kick molag bal's but, we are in a zone where no random players can be around. It's actually the case for most of the missions about molag bal. If we don't count those where the factions army march on molag bal's world. Same with the sload. Some of the missions against them are solo.
Plus by disabling everything in the ui, even the players name wouldn't be seen and during battle, they could look, like some high rank faction member. So, puting video's of the real thing could only better it, from my point of view, since it would show us what the real thing really look like. Plus with the imperial city dlc, there would even be video materials for molag bal's plan there with even a dungeon at the white gold tower with molag kena (molag bal's child) being the final boss of that dungeon.
Before even watching the video, it's Mehrunes Dagon. I mean, he entered Tamriel and Molag Bal did not. But maybe I'll be surprised.
A game set when molag tried to conquer mundus would be a fun concept for elder scrolls VI
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