S07E04 | Taking It To The Prototype and Beyond, Custom Decals and More w/Bob Rivard NOW in 4K
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.พ. 2023
- #ProtoFreelance #Decals #modelrailroad
In this episode, we look into at prototype and beyond. How decals can be stored and organized. Ways to bring your track work to a less uniform state. Does that mean section rail? Is it worth the time and are we error free?!? A well operating railroad trumps the aesthetics. Sure, you can have amazing scenery, but is it worth it, if it's nothing but problems. We have drilled down deeper on all kinds of ideas here. It might just be easier to view the video and add your two cents in the comments. Thanks for watching SOO The Milwaukee Road. - บันเทิง
Another fantastic video! Thanks for having me in it! :D. The shout out too!!
Thanks Douglas. I know its not the best tribute to you & your channel…but most folks have got to know your work already and those that have not? They need to find out for themselves. Keep up the great work!
Those plastic sheets are a great idea for storing decals UNTIL someone carries the binder upside down. Speaking from experience.
My dad was a magnet shopper. He stopped buying them though because a neighbour dropped by unexpectedly and found him playing with his magnets on the floor. They don’t speak anymore. Probably for the best, they were…. Polar opposites.
Another great episode hockey dad!
😆 This comment didn’t get a reply and certainly deserves one. You must own the book, “1,001 Dad Jokes”…if not?!? You better start writing one…top notch dad humor right there.
Thats a good way to keep track of decals! Thanks for the tip!
It seems to be working thus far, especially for the “custom” decals…those can go rogue quickly.
Great show!
Detailed sectional rail, whoooooo!
That's like modeling the dented hulls on ships!
Everyone has their rabbit holes, right? This is the stuff I really enjoy.
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad looks great, more power to ya!
I could watch Bob’s videos 24/7!! Your model roll bys are awesome!! I love the MNS Greenville car, I need one in N scale! I have the same MNS single bay airslides , i use them for my Nokomis mill.
Over all great job!
I’ve probably watched over 24 hours worth of Bob footage…he’s provided some great content and this is just the SOO/80’s era stuff. He and I have been talking about some epic moments to share, so I’ll have to get that particular footage from Bob. Fingers crossed we find it. Thanks for the feedback & for tuning in.
Great episode!!!
Thanks, Bob!!
Bob’s the man! One of the nicest guys and his willingness to share info, video and his time/railroad?!? Priceless.
Your right about magnet shoppers! Great video!
Thanks Mike. Hope all is well & you’re making great strides on your RR!
Great vid keep them coming 👏👏👏
Great to hear you’re enjoying the content…this one was a beast to churn out. So it’s nice to know modelers, like yourself, are finding them enjoyable enough to look forward to more.
Love the Hockey footage. I have a pile of decals that Meghan would like me to organize and get stored away. lol Thanks for the tip. `
Can’t go wrong with a “little hockey”…they played full ice today and I’ll say, they’re gassed after going hard for an hour straight (like changes every minute)…so 30 mins of ice time.
Get crackin’ on the decal organization, it’s totally worth it!
Another great episode, I enjoyed the great variety of this one, railfanning, and watching prototype modeling runbys, you may say proto foaming or maybe not. Your son is really after it on the ice. I would be hospitalized if i tried anything close to that. I really enjoy seeing all of bobs videos and the layout clips too. Nice tips on decals, I need to put some effort into that as well. Cheers Rob
Rob, this episode was a time suck…far more editing than I had hoped. Pulling prototype photos, digging through my collection to gather the cars. The play-by-play for the hockey, with the score graphics to create. I try and do everything to the level I’d enjoy…hence the excess hours. 🤷🏻♂️ So when modelers like yourself dig it? I know the time was worth pouring into it.
Another excellent episode. The prototype footage by Bob is always a treat. It is great to see you working on your layout some more. There is a fine line between getting track that looks like the prototype with all the humps and dips, but still operates reliably for a model railroad. I am interested in seeing how your section rail project works out. It certainly has the dips at the rail joints like it does on the prototype. I think the key is not going overboard with the distressing of the track, it just does not scale down the same as other things. Your son's hockey game was a neat bonus, I was cheering for him all the way. The Curmudgeon was spot on with his "magnet" shoppers, I thought it was only me that it happened to. Glad to see you got this episode up the hill without any trouble this week. Notch 8 all the way! -Tom
So true Tom. Your advice on the “not over doing it” is key…I did back off on the amount or pressure. A light touch was more than enough. We have to remember…our model freight cars weigh ounces, not tons.
A number of folks are enjoying the added hockey clip. The segment was intended to be called “Off the Rails”, but it falls under “My Favorite Things” as well. So, why not, right?
I listened to your Around the Layout podcast, what a quality interview. Anyone that hasn’t heard it, it’s worth checking out: bit.ly/3XVJ1zP
Keep up the great posts on your end and as always, if you’re in MN? Hit us northern modelers up, we’ll treat ya to a few RR’s for visitation, ops or both.
I agree, it will be interesting to see how the cars operate with the little defects in the track. Of course, I thought he was just trying to make his track looks like mine, of course I did TRY top make it look that wasy.
Ken, it’s crazy how this hobby has such a wide variety of possibilities. Klimoski has proven this, with his opening doors/gates, the derails, etc.
Rabbit holes are everywhere in this hobby! I’ll be sure to keep ya posted on the operations of this track work. After 4 sessions, we’re still issue free. 🤞 Maybe we can get you over to prove Murphy’s Law. 😜
Never understood a sport where you play on a slick surface that you cannot stand up on. 😂 Great footage of a blooming superstar! I think the Curmudgeon is even proud as can be. I wonder how Mom takes it watching her son take a few hits? 😉
Great video and Bob’s footage is a golden rolling museum. Your models look great as is and move on to the next project and don’t look back.
Well said.
I’ve always enjoyed hockey, but these kids are starting so young…you’ll find 5 year olds out there that could run circles around my abilities. 🤦🏻♂️
Our son has gone down a couple times and mom’s ready to sprint to the bench. I say, “If we’re needed, the coaches will wave us over.” I know I never wanted my mom running onto the field…plenty of able bodied people are there to help.
As for Bob’s footage? You’re not kidding, he’s got a goldmine for us 80’s era modelers.
It’s 100% true, I’ve always felt, projects are just ways to learn for the next one. We’ll always find something that bugs us. Like you say, keep your eyes looking ahead towards the next project to tackle.
I have all my manuals in plastic sleeves in binders, parts in parts bins that are appropriately labeled, but it never occurred to me to put decals in sleeves. Great idea and great episode William. And magnet shoppers? Yeah they suck.
You sound like an organized modeler, the decal binder would be right up your alley.
I worked with Gary Freseman on a couple live steam railroads. Super nice guy.
You’re truly a lucky guy, Gary is one of the most influential modelers in the Twin Cities. He is THE reason we’ve gotten so into operations. If it wasn’t for Gary, we’d probably still be running trains in a loop. 🤔
Bob's footage is gold! Thanks for sharing them. I'm also a fan of Doug's work. His footage on the CP Ford Hauler (Plets dvd) is my favorite.
I’d say we are all forever grateful for the content Bob captured and it’s even better to have the native files to edit from. If they were only in 4K!?! 😆 They’re closer to 720p, which is better than nothing.
Thanks William for the update. You like that Markfit Strong? Yeah Love to watch what Bob R. has in his stash Kevin B
Kevin, I’m a big fan this far. I just started using it. I still have my lifetime supply of Solvaset (purchased 20+ years ago)…some guys said it was to strong, but I’ve had great success. Then a fellow modeler said to try the Markfit Strong…the slightly thicker feel to it is kind of nice. I’ve got Micro-Sol too…what to use?!? 🤔
@SootheMilwaukeeRoad William I also have the sovlaset. I have been building models since I was knee high to a weed as my Grandpa called me. It is just easier for me to use what I have in my shop up first then move on to something else.
What do you think would happen if you would mix solvaset and Taymia together? Do you think it would work better.
Nice episode, I'm all about the "good enough" and improve it later if you want.
That’s what I call, the learning curve mentality of model railroading. They’re not all home runs. Even though, that’s our goal.
12:12 That looks exactly like a transfer freight on my model railroad. I could probably walk into the train room now and duplicate that train car for car. Operations Tip: I know you HO guys have nice large numbers and reporting marks on your cars, but in N scale a variety of mixed road names makes operation that much easer for the operators who are poor of sight. Make sure you call out the Car Type, Color and What it says on the side. Your operators with thank you!
Dead nuts, spot on!
I appreciate the N-scalers that assist the operators in that way. My eyes have not failed me, YET…as I found the reporting marks to be far easier to read than I thought. 👍 Great piece of advice though, thanks for sharing it.
Once Again a Phantastic show. Bobs films are always worth the price of admission. I found the GBS hopper Berry Interesting. I currently have one using an old MDC Hopper awaiting decals for on of my Freelance road names, the Hockey was a nice add..... Thanks as always.
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your feedback. Creating custom cars is a great way to expand one’s views of their illusion. If done well? Some may think they’re actual RR’s. 😆
Just a fyI on decals for all. "Put them in a zip lock bag" as well to preserve the film.
Once the details becomes airborne it will automatically start to decay. By sealing in a air tie bag / or zipper bag they will last 10 times longer, and not fall apart when using or applying them. I have work in the Industry for printing in past. And the detail film only has about two years, in exposed air.
This is GREAT information…I’m going to note this bit of info, thank you!
7:42 2228 almost looking like a snubnose... I believe it was involved in an accident and SOO just never replaced the upper nose light.
I love mix freight, transfer, and manifests... models or prototype, modern or vintage... I could watch them all day the rest of my life. Thanks for showing them.
15:18 Atlas, are these the cars where the draft gear was sprung through its body/spine? I have two Atlas Pennsy cars (same doors) with this feature. (1518 [as I stopped the video] was also CNW's GP 7 nee 922, nee EMD Demo 100, not that it matters but I thought coincidental.)
I've said it before, I could watch Bob's videos repeatedly... as well as yours.
Cabooses... When you asked "Were 'MOST' Milw cabooses built by Thrall..."(Thrall was sold to Trinity in 2001) I had to think a bit more. I knew that their Wide Vision cabooses were built by International Car Company, but all their horizontal slat cabooses (and other rollingstock i.e. boxcars) were all home built.. Any chance you were paying homage to your July 17, 2020 episode on Milwaukee Road Thrall cabooses? Se04E07 17:58 That's a Thrall built caboose! That cabinet-looking side-door and interestingly looking trucks, Thrall was into refurbishing rollingstock. Wiki says "Most cars were designed for standard gauge interchange service..."
Magnet shoppers... Brilliant. John
Your posts are always well thought and epic! I’ll see if I can’t get to all the inquiries.
2228 was a wrecked unit, that didn’t get a new upper headlight. And I’d agree, the mix in the transfers are great.
The Atlas is not like the Kadee car, with the center sprung spine.
Bob’s footage is EPIC!!! I have watched many of his clips over and over, especially to get the radio chatter.
The Thrall cabooses are iconic for sure and those wide visions were Pacific Car & Foundry…their Internationals were the bay windows they had.
So much great content, yet do little time to cover it. If you run across any spare time that someone isn’t using?!? Let me know…I could use some. 😆
Thanks for tuning in and thanks for posting.
Ripple rails to limit train speed operations. Interesting realistic scenery concept.
Some guys achieve this look, simply by having poor track work.
Hey, thanks for joining us last weekend. I’m sure footage will surface from last weekends Ops. 🤔
@SootheMilwaukeeRoad Great time and break from the norm. Thanks again for the ride.
I took some photos too but missed a lot of the details. I was clearly too focused on operations like a real railroader. Ha. Now going back to look at the photos I took I see things I missed. Definitely will have to go back to operate again. Looking forward to opps video. Did you stage a camera to record train movements? How many was there?
Boy, I didn’t take a ton, my dad took a few. So I’ll have to cobble together a few to get the overall vibe of the ops. Joe’s is a lot of fun to fun and the other jobs are worth taking a crack at. If we didn’t put any freight cars on the ground, he’s probably okay with having us back. I once knocked a tower…Joe’s far more understanding than most. Now, how was the Peeps soda?!? 🤔
As someone who used to work in a shop that dealt with baseball cards, you cutting up those sheets made me cringe. As a model railroader, I think your organizational method for your decals is awesome, and I may end up doing something similar! Thanks again for sharing, especially the old railfan footage. I agree that it's an invaluable resource to modelers.
Ha ha, I collected cards for years, my son has now started his own. Do a few sheets had to be sacrificed. 😬
As for the footage…I really enjoy the radio chatter. This video just screamed foreign road cars & lots of open doors. We used to rail-fan Northtown and could spot where the WC and MNNR cuts were at from St. Anthony.
Classic footage from Bob, he gets such a kick out of seeing people’s enjoyment. “It’s gold Jerry, GOLD!”
Thanks for tuning in & posting.
I dunno if you have done a video, but I like the way you weather and grease/dust/rust-up the trucks and wheels. I'd like to see how you do those
Mark, it’s funny you asked about the trucks…this is THE video that started it ALL. It’s not overly produced as the intent wasn’t to upload to the masses. It was for my dad to view…other guys asked and I shared. Here we are 94+ videos later.
Here’s the one you’re seeking:
th-cam.com/video/2Iy4k9xmFi0/w-d-xo.html
I touch on the similar technique throughout the series…but don’t recall which ones. You’d have to scrub through past episodes.
@Soo the Milwaukee Road I found you about 2 episodes ago, I like how you present! That "roll-by" in this video, where you had the prototype pics above? That was cool! Great stuff here, and thank you!
Another great video! excellent idea for the decals, all of mine are currently in a big manila envelope, I'm gonna employ your method, keep the Bob Rivard content coming, was really cool seeing 2228A the lobotomized F unit, seeing it actually running, I remember seeing a picture of that model in MR about 30 some years ago, the prototype footage is a real treasure, I really wish I had video of the SP like that, back then I had to save up for a roll of Kodachrome, so a video camera was way out of the question, great model runby with the prototype version for comparison, on to episode 5!
Excellent feedback, the Bob footage shall continue…I’m considering a deep dive on some of Bob’s classic footage. As Bob is a plethora of information…truly a treasure!
Thanks for tuning & posting feedback. It’s always great to hear what’s working and what’s not. Yes, I do take the negative feedback into account. Not all will be pleased, but there’s enough variety to keep it interesting, right?!?
Use the clear pages, too. The cheapos at dollar store work just fine. Just put the whole envelope in it to keep the microscope, etc number handy for reorder. They sell the dividers with ears for labeling railroad names, too
I like the idea of labeling them, I’ve currently got them separated by road and car type. The labels would be a bonus, thank you!
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad
Go the extra mile
Separate the non-railroad “x” reporting marks and the misc letters/symbols/labels into smaller binders
I have a corner punch that has a thumb punch 👍 that seems to work easier than the button punch ⏺️ 🤷♀️
I know where I got that corner punch!?!? May have to checkout this thumb punch you speak of. As I use this button punch a lot. It helps with projects that need to slide into sleeves. 👍
Hobbies that cross pollinate…tools & products. Win-win!
I love your videos! It would be cool if you did a couple of weathering tutorial videos as a stand alone video with more in depth instruction! If thats not your thing no worries i still love the videos!!
So glad you’re enjoying the videos. The closest I’ll come to weathering techniques as a stand alone…would be the last episode, where I covered weathering a freight car door.
Our fellow modelers don’t have the attention span to view a long format weathering video. Unless I put a little spin on it!?! 🤔
Bob’s footage is great isn’t it?
“It’s gold Jerry, GOLD!” -Kenny Bania (Seinfeld Season 9 Episode 1)
The radio chatter is the BEST!
Those orange SOO 5344 cft boxcars ended up on the WC and were patched again. They kept the SOO car series though.
Now there’s a great bit of info…I’ve always liked the 5344’s, especially the MN&S scheme. However, hearing you share the WC history, that’s pretty cool to know they lasted beyond the SOO.
So, just hitting the notches you cut with the coal chisel is enough to give it that bend? Nice look!
Yes, it’s a subtle hit too…I will admit, there’s a learning curve, I “lifted” a couple that I felt were too much. These look far more dipped than they really are…
Yep...time for me to bust out my old 3 ring binders and baseball card sheets...Have to find Robin Yount a new home...
You can simply put the Yount card in your front bike spokes and even better, if you use the Molitor card in the rear spokes, it’ll sound like an ALCO. Just ride a little slower, “Potato, potato, potato…”💨
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad then they will be right next to Kirby Puckett, Hrbek and Viola
Well this is a little concerning...10:13. Speaking of holes, did you try to drill a hole in your floor than suddenly change your mind at the last minute? or is it just a single sequin that went missing from your sparkly under garments...
😂 I saw that! Those dark punches were everywhere…they’d go flying like a Kadee coupler spring *zing*…”She gone!”
I model in the buff, so no garments to be losing any sparkles. 🙈
When you were ‘Down in the Weeds’ (4:09) watching the passing train, is the foreground grasses part of the layout or overlay?
That’s a graphic…used to try and eliminate the distraction of the edge of the layout. Traditionally I used to put bushes or a tree to block the edge. The “weeds” are not great, but better than plywood & Homasote. Excellent question.
But when you're anal retentive and detail oriented it's something you DO HAVE TO DO! That was pure gold!
Ya can’t lie, when the truth is right there. 😆
what is that nice GN caboose 17:12 ?
Keen eyes my friend. That there is a Great Northern, St Cloud shops, X-1 caboose (Overland Models). It crosses over to a future video in the works. 🤔
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad can't wait to see it closer :)
Where do you get your decals? I have some Santa Fe gp18s I need to re-number.
The majority of mine are through Bill Brillinger at PDC.ca
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👍 Thanks for rolling the rails with us!
William, you're actually one of us that gives "Two Sheets" about decals.
😄 Dad joke!
Once you've decided to organize your extensive collection of half used decals into visible plastic pages and binders, deciding to round off the page corners isn't that long of a walk, is it. 📐✂📓🔧
Frank, you said it! 😆 I stopped just shy of alphabetizing them. Though, they are sorted by railroad…🤦🏻♂️ “Of course they are.”