S07E05 | Prototypical Elevator Head House and Silos, MORE Bob Rivard Footage and Simple Details
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In this episode, we go beyond the obvious, by looking outside the tunnel vision modeling. We take a unique look at scaling an elevator for any scale...1" Scale might get nuts. We do take a moment to go "BACK IN TIME" with Bob Rivard and view his vintage 1986 SOO LINE era video footage. As well as learn a technique in adding a subtle detail to our railroad. In closing, we pay tribute to one of the great Twin Cities railroad preservationists.
All of this and more, only in this episode of Soo The Milwaukee Road. - บันเทิง
Great episode William. Keep ‘em coming! Cheers 😎
Thanks Michael! Just two more episodes remain for Season 7. Thanks for tuning in and posting.
Another great episode, William! Details, details, details! They separate the good layouts from the great! Thanks! - Paul
We’re so quick to overlook the subtle, but that’s what I enjoy most.
Great looking video!
Thanks for checking it out and sharing your feedback.
Brilliant video. I really enjoy your personal engagement with your city and its railfan and modeller community. The 70s and 80s video and photo is wonderful. Will check out John Hill. Very sad.
Another great episode and thanks for theJohn Hill moment. Give the Curmudgeon a big warm hug!
Thank you Mark! Losing fellow modelers is tough for all, even the salty Curmudgeon. Thanks for tuning in & posting!
Another great video! Maybe I will see ya at the NMMRC tomorrow
Great tips Will!
Thanks Joey!
Another great video. Sorry to hear about your friend. And you are right we all need to be nice to each other.
Thanks for posting & tuning in. It’s not that hard to treat people with respect.
Very nice tribute video!! like the various Elevator shots from above. The mushroom vent was interesting as well. Thanks for sharing!!
Gary, you never know what you’ll find with the prototype…mushroom and all. 🙈 More to come.
The pacing shot waas in Hopkins. Red Owl water tower. We miss you John, thanks for the memories.
Great but if info @splitrock323 that Red Owl water tower is priceless. Is that near where the SuperValu warehouse is located?
John’s legacy will live on through his willingness to share what he captured. He’ll be missed by many.
Wonderful tribute to John Hill. Thank you for sharing just a small portion of his story, pictures, and videos. With regards to the elevators, man, when you really get out and measure them, the amount of "selective compression" applied to models really becomes apparent. I think for most of us, we have to compress things down to fit the space we have, but every once in a while, it's great to see something modeled closer to 1:1 scale. Look forward to seeing how you finish yours up!
It is crazy, when you think about it. Going to a 1:1 scale can get out of hand quickly and you’re right…the true 1:1 is hard for anyone to attain. Thanks for sharing your take and we’re all so grateful for John’s contribution to the RR community and those around him.
Great episode. Very nice tribute to John Hill, he will be missed
Thanks Kevin! John was a wealth of information and knowledge…he’ll be missed by the RR community and those he was around.
I guessed right on the cuft hopper test, but you sort of gave it away when you showed
other pictures that called it a
PS 4740 hopper. LOL!
Thanks for the video!
☝️😆 NAILED IT!!! 100% of the masses should have gotten this quiz. Some have commented on the difficulty being too hard. If you read it pay attention, like you did in this case, the answer can often be found in the eps themselves.
So glad you enjoyed this video & we appreciate the post. Have a great weekend.
Very nice tribute, class act as always! Big Packers fan here on the Pembine Sub, Milepost 310.7
“Don’t say Packers, don’t say Vikings, oooooh!” -The Curmudgeon
John was a great resource to many modelers. He’ll be missed by the RR community and those around him.
Another fantastic episode. One of the first things I noticed in the photo of the SOO locomotives were the sand piles. You are right, it is the little details that tell a story and make our models look more realistic. That was amazing drone footage! That was really nice of Adam to shoot that video for you. The views you get from a drone are priceless when it comes to modeling. The tribute to John Hill was very classy. Lots of amazing photos and videos in his portfolio. The Curmudgeon was spot on with his comments, take care of each other and cherish the time with friends and family.-Tom
It’s all in the details. Moving gates, opening garage doors and modeling details in the next step. 🤔
New subscriber, love the content. Heading off on a 3 week business trip and will be catching up on your older videos.
Hopefully you’re 3 week business trip goes well and you’re still enjoying the past episodes. It’s great to have you on board and hear you’re enjoying what you’ve seen thus far.
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad I’ve been enjoying them even though I’m a N-scaler so some of the assembly and disassembly parts don’t apply to me. Weathering is universal, though. I need to get some of those powders from MicroMark. I also use JMRI on my small switching layout so those tips are appreciated.
I've seen many of John Hill's photos on RR Pictures Archives. Sorry to hear of his passing. Great video as always
Indeed Mike. John wasn’t afraid to put his opinion out there and I respected him for that. I may not have agreed on all terms, but could respect his viewpoint. He shared so much info, that I never really even thought about, until he mentioned it. I’d say, my skills were refined, thanks to his observations.
Another great production! Thanks for the John Hill tribute--he will be missed!!!
Thank you Troy. John was a great guy and many have benefitted from his sharing of information. He’ll be missed.
Grain unit trains began on former GN with the implementation of tariff BN 4022 in about 1982 which created the first unit train rates on the northern lines. Minimum tender was either 26 or 52 cars to qualify for the rate, all cars were from same shipper in same location at same time. The 52 car max train size was driven by typical road power being able to get the train over a grade at Bison MT ( aka 'the Bison bump") with out helpers. (I worked in BN Grain Business Unit member 1980-1984).
This is GREAT info and interesting to hear the policies in place behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing!
Great video with so much excellent content. I agree with studying a photo to pinpoint the details that add much to a model scene. Very nice tribute to John Hill and the photos and videos you chose were great! God rest his soul. Thank you for another super episode! Mike
You nailed it Mike, details and the tribute to John couldn’t go unnoticed. He shared so much with all of us and I’m grateful to have connected with him over the last 5-6 years. He fed and corrected so many oversights I was making, improving what I was doing. That couldn’t go unrecognized.
7:20
With the vintage 8-bit time and date it took more than a few seconds to realize this was model and not real footage.
Bob does great work on so many levels. His modeling is fun to rail-fan.
Thanks for tuning in & posting.
Great episode William. I had not heard that John had passed. Thank you for remembering him so well.
Ken, certain people take the time to share their life experiences and from that, others are able to learn and flourish. I didn’t really get to know John, until the past 5-6 years…we exchanged a lot of content, information and history. John will be forever be remembered and missed.
Very nice tribute - his photos posted of the Pillsbury complex have been viewed many times here! Drone footage is amazing and looking forward to more on the elevator build!
You’re not kidding, John’s photos might be the most viewed by many that have interest in the Twin Cities.
The elevator is moving along…slower than one might like, but it’s getting there.
Is it just me or should Bob have put the camera down and helped put the fire out?? Great footage though. Smokin’ hot footage.
Love how you dented your track. I’d like to try it. I was worried the cars would derail but it doesn’t look they do on yours.
“Did you get it right?” “No, the suction dart hit the cat” lol
It’s all for the entertainment value. Why not have fun with the hobby.
You’ll find the photos and angles viewed are more exaggerated than the track in person. Not sure I’ll do this to ALL the track. Turnouts and curved sections I’d prefer reliable vs the sexy undulation.
Your posts are always great Mark. Excellent questions & commentary.
3:33 4200's (with and without torpedo tubes and different fuel tanks [denoting which ones were used for passenger service?] ) following WC numeration while "lonely" 403 is sporting a dirtier rooftop (much more faded white worn off?) and slightly differently placed antennae and single rear facing horn in front of exhaust, each loco with M.U. receptacles, but note there's no chain connection on 4229, (they gotta duck under that railing)...
6:54 white pants to match the SOO and blue shirt matching the sky (I wonder if Bob was cringing "get outta the bloomin' shot!")... and look how long that gate arm was!
John musta been a silly guy! Great photographer! Never met, but I miss him already!
Thank you. John p.s. I love everything I watch. (Wasn't gonna touch the hopper capacities this time.)
The 4200s used to be in the 550 series, but MILW SD10s were in that range as well, so Soo decided to renumber the GP9s after buying the MILW.
On passenger GP9s, there are 3 tanks underneath. Fuel tank is in the middle, and water tanks flanking it. Some of the water tanks were removed, and some were set up to be used as fuel tanks.
It’s crazy how many differences each unit can have…from retro fitted units to upgraded units. The subtle differences are what make updating the models fun.
Enjoy the prototypes, enjoy the vintage footage and most importantly, enjoy those that share the similar interests.
Me being an old guy, I do remember the GN depot, thanks John Hill.......
The old stuff is preserved forever, when those take time to capture it…forever great full for the shots John took. He’ll be missed.
MLW 475 still has her billboard lettering, kinda. No more snow plows or beacon though. She still runs everyday as WAMX 1598.
We’ve gotta feature that unit and the interior…I know a few great shots exist. We’ll see if it can find its way into an episode.
It was also WSOR 1502 for a while. Best runner of the 6 MP15ACs WSOR had. Roundhouse guys took pains to try to wipe the black house paint off the billboard lettering.
Oh dang, I met John Hill once. Sad to hear he's passed. 😥 15:14. Ooo, Hopkins headed East I think.
Losing anyone is never fun, but it’s a great reminder to leave what you can, to those that can carry on your efforts. John will be missed.
Thank you for tuning in, for providing info & sharing your thoughts.
I've done the sand as an experiment in a small yard and yes , it looks great. Thanks for the grain on the car idea. I'll be doing that too.
Subtle details, right?!?
You’ll have to share your findings on the grain spillage.
That elevator district is a treasure of a modeling opportunity! I'm not going to be modeling that area (I'm focusing on Chicago), but I'd love to incorporate a little bit of that "feel" into some part of it. Great episode!
You nailed it, bring in the flavor…it doesn’t have to be 1:1 exact..,we can try, but the reality is…it can be excessive. Wherever you’re modeling, bring life into it, however you may. Bottom line, have fun with it.
The Curmudgeon is spot on! The Apostle Paul said, "life is as a vapor". The meaning: here, and then gone so quickly. We as people need to realize, at the end of the day, we have salvation through Christ and each other.
Well said Mark!
Of course you don't say Packers or Vikings... You say "Bear Down!"
Nice work as always!
Ha ha! Did I head you say, “The Bears are down?!?! Sounds about right!” 😉
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad I can not disagree.
What song do you use on the Quiz Segments?
Good to see the layout progressing!
Sounds like a good idea for the grain spillage. I've tried other methods with mixed results. Great episode!
This stuff is pretty fine…serves nicely as corn or soybeans…a little weathering and you’re well on your way. Thanks for tuning in & posting.
Good episode William! Interesting point about the details and looking around! Wonder if they ever put that fire out?
“Get your broom out!” I’m assuming they did…Central Ave is still there and I’m not aware of the great Mpls fire of 1986. 😂
Enjoy HI man! 🏝️😎 👈Andy
WOW has it really beeen five episodes this season? I gotta check to see if I misssed some. Anyways another Aweome Video…
They just keep coming! So great to hear they’re flying by…it must mean we’re putting decent enough content in the mix. 🤔 Thanks for tuning in and sharing your feedback…I hope ya find the missing episode…if ya did in fact miss one. 🤷🏻♂️ Have a good one!
Amen, Curmudgeon!
The ol’ Curmudge comes through every now and again. Thanks for posting!
where in west chicago was that 4740 gn hopper? I didn’t know there were grain elevators in west chicago
Not sure, “West Chicago” is all the slide says on it…how far west?!? Not sure.
@@SootheMilwaukeeRoad There is a town in Illinois called West Chicago. The CNW, EJ&E and CB&Q went through there. I’m gonna assume that would be on the BN’s part of town. Just think that’s interesting because I’ve seen a lot of pictures as well as been there my self a handful of times and didn’t know there was a grain elevator.
Another fine episode! Thanks for the tip about "mine tailings" - I have wondered what would be good for grain or corn as most scenery materials are too coarse in HO. I understand your comments about real grain elevators. I splurged and had jp3D print a custom model of our 1955 elevator in Waverly, NE. It's a small town elevator but it absolutely towers over the Walthers models.
That’s awesome! It’s great to see the progress and enhancements of the 1:1 structures…yes, they’re large, but to your point…ya realize how small the Walthers really is.
Are the John Tyson USPS Jeeps still available? If so do you know where I can get some?
I do not know if John still has them, but they’re purchased through John directly: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009301560160&mibextid=LQQJ4d
I am not into doing the model, but has anyone thought of modeling a concrete silo or silos when under construction, ie slip formed or with forms?
Interesting idea, people have done houses under construction and sidewalks being poured…never a silo.
Not going to touch the "rear" comment.... Dangle like a dingleberry.. LOL
Stay safe. Gates are there for a reason, nobody is immune. Look,listen and live.
100%, spot on, great advice!
Ha ha, What about Bob? Lol 😆
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I hope you took into account the curvature of the earth when documenting your height. The Horizon will be lower than you building height and should be at ground level... Not the height of your building, this is just basic High School Geometry for you, I'm sure you kind find some high school kid to do that math for you... or just use the GPS and altimeter from the drone to figure it out....
hi guys !!! first off, let me say you guys are absolutely the best, for sure !!! i am 35 miles directly south of buffalo, ny ( big dairy farm land) and you really make my day. the seinfeld clips are fantastic ( my favorite.... "SHRINKAGE" think you can fit THAT in one of your videos... hah-hah !!!) i have a warehouse on my layout ( the buffalo and pittsburgh rr) named VANDELAY INDUSTRIES, and my crew and i tilt a few brewskis even when running operationally !! big question ... do you guys fish for any walleye out your way ? i have fished upper/lower red, leech, rainy, winnie ( as i am sure you know, winebegoshish) , lake of the woods and winnebago back on the old PWT ( professional walleye trail) and many others like lake st. clair and the detroit river. we fish lake erie now between buffalo and erie,pa with the old nyc 4 track main (now 2 by csx) and ns (former nickle plate) running parallel to the eastern shore of the lake.... you can hear them coming through about 6-7 miles out !! keep up the good work please and you are all in my evening prayers tonight !!! ps... i have a 13.28 pounder on my wall via erie, of course !!!