Nissan Leaf 2020 review | Longer range version but is it worth the cost?
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The Nissan Leaf is the best selling electric car in so many markets. It just feels like Nissan got in there first. Now the car has the longer range 62kwh battery but with the added cost of this version over the 40kwh Leaf, is it worth the extra outlay?
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Best review of an electric car I've seen . well done.
Glad you liked it!
Want one looking this week. On bike A1.
That button --- Its heated rear seats....
I have a 2016 and I love driving it.
Yes I agree
Nice accent. Good review. I have a 2013 Leaf. It's pretty good. I bought it with 12 bars of battery capacity. It lost one bar after a year of charging mostly to 100%. However, the range is still good. I mostly charge it to 80% now and I only charge it if I will drive it the next day. I also try to charge only at night around 10 PM at home when electricity is cheaper.
How much does it cost to charge normally? Say compared to a full tank of petrol or diesel?
I've just started driving one of these Leafs (even the same colour) and I love it. Two great things I like are the remote climate control where you can heat up the cabin before getting in, and that heated stearing wheel - wow! Just the job with winter coming.
I have this car from 6 months, 23.000 miles now. 62kw. It is just perfect. 0 problems, Range 250-280 miles(depends on weather). With 10 pounds of energy I drive 250 miles. An amazing thing is the range is real. I charge it only home, 3 pins.
Production quality has vastly improved. Camera angles etc. Nice video 👍
You've got a nice time of voice and style. Like it!
Great video & presenting style!
Thank you Sir!
Great review as ever. As a 40kwh Leaf owner, would I upgrade to the 62kwh.... probably not. Great car though.
40 kWh and 62 kWh.
Makes a difference. Kw is the motors performance.
As a driver of a 62KW Leaf,
(And formerly a 24 2013 Leaf) I would never go smaller.
Douglas Thompson do you mean 62 kWh?
I did and I don't regret it. The ride is tighter and has a better feel.
Why wouldn't u upgrade?
Have a 2020 leaf SL plus ….. and LOVE the car. I get 400+ Km’s per charge for 9 months of the year and about 350 to 380 during the winter ( in Victoria BC Canada) Great range, fantastic performance and Smooth smooth operating. Also did I mention, it’s very quiet too.
I just got the same car and love it. Wish the battery had liquid cooling, but I'll monitor that over the next eight years while it is under warranty and hope for the best.
Tested the 40kwh one, kept my 2014. Power felt the same for the first 60ft , even though it’s a higher power, suspect they toned it down as its front wheel drive. After 60ft the new leaf keeps going. One foot pedal is nice, same a pillar! That pillar has caught me off guard a few times. I’ll upgrade in a few years when it’s value. New this thing is crazy expensive. Thoughts .... Nissan is asking too much for what is essentially and old leaf. cheaper to keep my ICE car for out of town trips.
385kms happens to be the distance to my mother’s house. I am in Letterkenny and she’s in Wexford. But there’s four chances to charge on the way down and I’d normally stop twice anyway, so you don’t really need 385kms range to do 385kms. I’d be happy with a 28kwh ioniq if i could afford one. Great review as always Nobby, like your relaxed style.
I have a couple of problems with the LEAF in the US. First, Chademo is not the best connection. Secondly, it does not have battery thermal management. So it has more battery degradation. Thirdly, the Chevy Bolt is being heavily discounted and is much cheaper
Ask yourself why it's being heavily discounted though.
@@NobbyOnCars - cause it isn't hip like a Tesla. But, I am not a hip guy. I just want a good car at a reasonable price
I have 106 km to work. 95% motorway driving. I usually do 110-115 km/h except when overtaking lorries and other slow vehicles where I might speed up to 130 km/h to clear the fast lane quickly.
There is no electric car out there for me that will let me get to work and back on one charge in the winter months, which isn't prohibitively expensive. There just isn't. I can buy three modern diesel cars (Citroen C3 that I currently own) for the price of one Leaf.
I'm crossing my fingers that Teslas' new battery will 'bleed' into the rest of the electric motor industry and make the prices more competitive. Even though I'd want a Leaf (which I do), it's simply not a financial option for me at the current prices.
Great review
Switch on side of passenger seat is for back seat heating.
Ah balls, how did I not cop that?!
And the spare wheel is in a cradle underneath the boot! Good video though, price is ott given that the car still has no active battery cooling or CCS. I need more range so am changing the Leaf for an eSoul. Your test of that car helped considerably!
John Dunne I gather a spare wheel is only provided in Leafs sold in Australia.
Hi Roger, my one certainly had it.... Dealer showed it to me and also the bolt in the boot floor used to lower the cradle.
Nissan has had a crossover model called Kicks for some time now, and recently gave it their e-Power set-up. Electric motor (from the Leaf) for traction, modest battery, and the 3 cylinder engine from the Note which is there for the sole purpose of keeping the battery happy (it is not connected to the accelerator and there is no gearbox). Drives like an electric car, but you only ever run it by a petrol station after a lot of kilometers. Costs 10,000 pounds less than a Leaf. Hope Nissan sees fit to make it available in Europe, too.
Great video nobby I watch a lot of car reviews and just a little feedback enjoy it have fun with the video show his practical it is in day to days uses and pros and cons with the cars
The switch on the passenger seat I thought was for the rear heated seats. It is on our 3rd generation Nissan leaf. We're looking at the 4th generation now (i.e. the latest).
Cool video. Thanks
LEAF = BEST EV for; build quality, Safety (only EV to never have a battery fire) value, looks and styling, sexiness, quietness, type of EV, most practical EV, most advanced JAPANESE TECH
With the CCS to CHAdeMO adaptor now available the LEAF can use more public fast chargers than any EV with only CCS
Tesla = Lowest quality most dangerous always exploding fire hazards on the roads... (most common EV to have battery fires and major design flaws)
Brilliant review 👍👍
Thank you Neal
Love to see "WALMART" be the first to have about 6+ charge stations @ EVERY STORE in USA near front or side of store to buy say a 1 hour Charge! Walmart knows the Customer will have an hour+ to shop during the charge & we will know that if you go to Walmart to shop there here will be charge stations too!
That's a great idea. Plus Walmarts are all over the country.
and then all you need is to find a WALMART!
Environmental friendly car!!! Yes, please! I would love one. Gas might last longer but pollutes and the smell of gas is disgusting. I would love one or a Tesla.
The fact That it isnt a Tesla, but a Nissan is a good thing. Than it might work.
I believe the boot in both the 40 and 62 battery is the same size.
Thought I saw 15 litres somewhere when I was doing my research.
5000 dollar difference here in Canada between 40 and 62KW model. I just bought the 40KW model.
Some time later (but useful none the less) .. Leaf is the only EV on sale (in Ireland anyway), where a spare wheel is included as standard (underside of the car, as opposed to in the boot) :)
You got enough leaf's already blowing around that carpark!
I drove 1000k today crossing Ontario in my ice car and filled/topped up three times. This Leaf could have done the same trip.
Isn't Ontario a cold place?
But it would add 90 minutes of waiting to charge. The Leaf is a slow charger.
Future for Nissan Barcelona NOW !!
Nissan Barcelona is NOT Closed !!
5:47 Isn't it for the rear seats?
My dad will get the next Nissan Leaf 2021
FYI - it's a 62 kilowatt-hour battery, not a 62 kilowatt battery. One is a measure of a rate (kilowatt) while the other is a measure of capacity (kilowatt-hour).
I'm aware but get used to people shortening it as they become more common I'd say.
Nobby On Cars Watch out for those EV pedants. They’ll get you every time.
My dad has a Nissan Leaf 2020
do the brake lights come on to warn the fella on his phone behind you when you "brake in "e-pedal" mode?
They do under a certain speed
Yes the brake lights do activate with the E-pedal....
Any chance you can do an up to date review of the leaf looking at one at the minute but not to sure
Great video
Thanks
Maybe third generation will have cooling
Don't be fooled. I've owned two Leafs now (a 2015 and a 2019) and the batteries do just fine. Unless you live in Arizona or other places in the southwest US where temperatures often exceed 110 F then you should be fine with the Leaf's air cooled battery especially if you only charge at home with Level 1 or Level 2 charging. What created issues for the early Leafs wasn't that the batteries were poorly designed it was that they couldn't take being abused. Owners were pushing the Leaf well beyond its design envelope. Operating in areas where ambient temperatures often exceeded 100F, combined with high speed cruising down the highway, would cause the battery's internal temperature to rise to near damaging temperatures (which I believe is above 122F). These owners would then stop at a Fast DC charging station and hit an already hot battery with 50kW power causing the battery's internal temperature to go well into the red zone. This was found to be the main culprit in causing premature capacity loss in the early Leaf batteries. Indeed, the vast majority of premature capacity failures were for vehicles owned in Arizona with owners that admitted to regularly using DC Fast Chargers. Another issue was that early on it wasn't well understood that charging Li-ion batteries to 100% every time was very bad for them. The early Leafs would allow charging to 100% and would allow this no matter how hot the battery's internal temperature was. This was slowly degrading the batteries with every charge cycle. This was solved in 2015 with Nissan's new heat tolerant battery chemistry and software that would not allow charging to 100% (although the dash gauge reads 100% it's now actually only about 95%). Finally, it's also important to understand that these early Leaf batteries were only good for about 750 to 1000 "full" charge cycles to begin with. While 1000 charge cycles is more than adequate for large batteries having a range 200 miles or more per charge cycle, it was not nearly sufficient for early Leafs which used a tiny 24kWh battery with only about 75 miles of range (they were so small that they were constantly needing to be recharged in order to get any usefulness out of them). 1000 charge cycles x 75 miles per cycle wasn't going to give a very long battery life. Even if you treated them perfectly you'd still be lucky to get 75,000 miles before seeing significant capacity loss. Battery size has a lot to do with how long these batteries last. For example, 1000 charge cycles for a much larger battery pack that gets 250 miles per charge cycle gives a battery life of over 250,000 miles. Clearly SIZE MATTERS with Li-ion batteries. Used for typical daily commuting purposes, by owners that charge at home, these new larger Nissan Leaf batteries will enjoy very long lives. Any one that tells you differently is avoiding the facts as well as mountains of anecdotal and empirical evidence. Most people will not need active thermal cooling for typical commuting applications. If you want or need to frequently use high power DC Fast charging and live in Arizona then yes, you'd be better off getting a Tesla.
@@Tron-Jockey Well written summary. We have a 2013 LEAF with 68k miles and now added a new 2019 LEAF Plus. I was just thinking with our 24kWh being at about 86% still, if it was a larger 40kwh version even it would have experienced about half of the charge cycles and would be in even better shape. I am interested to see how the 40 and 62 kwh batteries do over time in a mild climate. I think they will do quite well.
400km is enough, even for someone like me and I do 120km a day for work. The problem for me would be charging at home as I don't have driveway. Even if I had dedicated charger, I bet some ballbag, would tamper with my car charging, just because it's bored.
Then I am not sure about driving noise. Always was a petrol man and really love that engine noise feedback. Pure silence could be a bit weird.
Not as ugly as a Tesla! . . .
What about the important questions: did they fix the fast charging problems, or the annoying speed cap?!
I can definitely say from driving my 2018 Leaf: that blind-spot will kill a pedestrian or a biker! Large vehicles can be obscured enough that you might not notice them, and tight corners you gotta lean into the passenger seat to see clearly!
Also F***: e-pedal (it's ok if you like it), B-mode not being default, automatic transmissions in general and regen breaks glitching every time I go over a bump!
So you're not buying another one then?! "F*** e-pedal" - quote of the week :)
@@NobbyOnCars oof . . . I'm waiting the 20 - 30 years for my battery to die, and then I'll buy from whoever has the best. I haven't burnt a drop of gas in about a year and I'm never going back. The Leaf is still better than any gas car on the market IMHO!
Thanks for the info. I would have liked to have seen what is under the front bonnet. Also, the km range, is it without any passengers? just a driver? If the air Con and other electrical devices were operated, how much would that reduce range?
Cheers, Ben
For my time driving the car I would've had passengers 50% of the time. All air con etc on, never turned anything off but would've ran it in eco mode a good bit as there's more than enough power in eco mode. When you turn off air con you'll see the range jump by usually 20/30kms but it's usually an insignificant amount. I'm not sure of your experience with EVs but if it's new to you, the idea that climate control being used cuts the range in half etc it's just myth stuff.
@@NobbyOnCars great. Tx
I added a 2” hitch for my north shore six rack bike rack. Loaded the car with 4 Mountain bikes, 3 passengers plus me and all of our gear. I still got 380km of range and didn’t shy from using air conditioning and playing sound system. Basically I noticed no real change in range, power or performance.
I think the Leaf is the best looking EV. Better than the Hyandai, Kia, Chevrolet, Telsa, and Chevrolet. For an EV in this price range I would trust Nissan more than the others.
Getting one on A1
Would be nice if you convert kilometers into miles per hour for those living in the US
Agreed, but I did look it up, = 239 miles here in the US.
Google it, don't be mentally lazy.
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Why not use kilometers?
It is a little more than 200 in freedom units
curious about the security you mentioned when its charging...there was a Leaf stolen here in Naas a couple months ago at night when it was on charge...if it was hooked up I'd question then how it was disconnected so easily
Certainly my experience has been it won't disconnected from the car without the key unlocking. Perhaps it can be done causing damage to the charge point on the vehicle.
I think it's a setting to have it locked or unlocked.
With some careful driving,
You can do 400 kM on the motorway/carriage way/highway with the Leaf Plus.
Yes, I have the Leaf 40 KWH (Smaller Battery) and often drive this distance....
@@ronanmcelholm7933 Law of diminishing returns.
why cant they load the owners manual into a memory location in the car accessible through the screen? Always wondered that with the new age cars these days with big screens. cant be that difficult
Some premium brands do it including service history.
what happens when there is a glitch or power problem. They could make them downloadable from a site I guess. It's mostly a comfort of the past but sometimes you dont have power so..
Paper is nice and it can be recycled.
in Canada i can buy a long range model 3 for that price
it's the equivalent of Tesla standard range model 3 which is only 3 grand more. why would you buy this car in that case?
In Europe the Tesla 3 is over £45k, over £10k more. And Tesla is now known for its awful post sale service.
@@DanRyzESPUK Also, even in the US it's possible to get some very good deals on a LEAF Plus. I bought an ex dealer car with 800 miles that still qualifies for the tax credit so the net cost will be $21k before sales tax. Compare that to $38k for a SR+.
Switch is to heat the back seats!!!!
I want a leaf that looks like the 2020 Versa
You say 99% of the nissan leaf is recyclable....However the Lithium cannot be recycled...Cobalt can but not the Lithium...Lithium is the main constituent of the battery....
Check out what Nissan claim they can do with the batteries at the end of their use.
Lithium can be recycled and is currently being done. Check youtube for the videos.
"There's no escaping the price tag of this Nissan Leaf"
There is now. Buy one second hand. The car will (probably) be in great nick, and after three years will cost half the new price. Absolute bargain!
EV or Hydrogen fuel cell Nobby? Personally I'd like to see the HFC technology take off, would negate the need for the installation of EV chargers everywhere
I think it will but one step at a time.
You would have to have hydrogen stations everywhere!
@@georgelewis8831 not hydrogen stations, just hydrogen pumps at the petrol stations that already exist
Is Nissan working on Full Self Driving or is that many more years off in the future? It looks like Tesla might be offering it as subscription for about $100 a month soon.
I think Tesla will be far ahead in that area, Nissan customers may not have the same level of desire for the autonomous side just yet.
lmao isn't those heated seat buttons on the front seats for the rear seats? I'm assuming there is just no better place to put the button other than on the door.
that would be the case... it caught me though!
How much can I get one for I would to know
240 miles but another video said 226 miles.
In real life ud b getting about 190miles
Really... you're reviewing the car and you're telling about cutting down trees, have you heard of a sustainable tree plantation for paper? Not to mention it could even be recycled paper but anyway.... back to the car. My car arrives this week and all people in Australia talk about is how far will it go... considering 80% of the time they use it for work. Where I live and work its going to be excellent. Thanks for the review, looking forward to pushing down the pedal. ... oh... you refer to gears? mmmm. Thank again.
still a waste of paper regardless.BMW and others doing manual on screen for years.
@@NobbyOnCars I see your point but I like paper and read books that you can hold, make references and put markers in books but that's just me.
How does this car compare against the ID3.....bang for buck ?
bigger battery... more standard spec.. older design now, ID has faster charging options.. More room inside ID. 3
How much is it to replace the $20,000 battery that you got to replace when it goes bad?
You don't, you get a new car with a 7 years better battery that charges much faster and goes further.
@@thesignupplace3123 And what's the car worth that needs the battery Maybe $200
just can't get over the info unit...its like someone popped into Halfords or aliexpress and got the cheapest third party unit and slapped it on. Otherwise the car is damn good. Huge price increase over the last model though.
The centre console is one of the drawbacks for sure.
Thereabouts 37 thousand....I wonder where did you get this figure from as the cheapest 62 KW model comes at 39 grand and that is without any other charges...which will probably add another 1.2 thousand on top.... thereabouts....
SV Premium.
@@NobbyOnCars OK, SV Premium it is, as I said before, all you need is to look up nissan.ie official website. The cheapest standard SV Premium 62KW Leaf is...€38.940, which is before delivery charges, metallic paint an any other charges they decide to come up with... Don't get me wrong, great review, like the video - it is just misleading information to some people, big difference between 37K and 40K+ I think.
Vismantas S. you’re fine. That was the price I saw earlier today on their website, maybe I’m wrong. Also, that car was filmed back in Oct so prices could’ve gone up since then, not sure.
@@NobbyOnCars Quite possible that it did. Either way, I remember being curious last year and looking at the prices as soon as it came out and dealers had those 62KW Leafs listed for €42.2 K, that is the top spec model, probably excluding other charges... I was following this as an option to upgrade from 40KW Leaf but obviously price is outrageously high and cannot justify an upgrade and as you've said, 40KW Leaf sounds like a bargain in comparison . Lovely car, not without small issues, but which car is?
Cars are already mostly recyclable. Are we going to put it out on the street to be picked up by the recycling truck when it's done? Will rodents get in and eat the edible wire coatings? You should be able to take it in to the bottle depot when it's done and get a $1000 refund.
Is there any chance to convert it into a fullly autonomous car in a near future?
I love how people seem to think that manufacturing these huge batteries for these electric cars is somehow "saving the planet".
"You Tommy? Come about a caravan?" :-)
Nobster Vw id3 or leaf
I haven't seen the ID in the flesh or driven it obviously but I'm sure it will be similar to the Leaf in the sense that it's a stand alone car, a totally new model that is fully committed to being an EV so I'm sure it will be good but it will be more expensive than the Leaf, the 40kw battery Leaf really is an affordable enough car, you can get one for around 28k brand new after grants. I'd say the interior of the VW will be a bit classier too.
The Leaf is not as "green" as my 71' Mustang Mach One.
50 years old and still looks (and runs) like new.
Car longevity affects how "green" a car is. It takes a lot of energy to manufacture a car.
manuals and trees................... you'll prolly find the manual is written in 12 languages. only one of which is irish.
funny al the time people talk about miles and if there talking about ev range it sudenly becomes kilometers lol
i do like the different english dialects - everything is better than american english. but this is too much. i did not understand around a quarter of what he said. too fast too much dialect...
It's for the Irish market, nothing for you to see here :)
Stop mumbling during your explanation so everyone can understand everything you are trying to explain Thank you
turn the subs on if you've trouble keeping up !
Come on Mark. Get the terminology right. You wouldn’t mistake a 2.0 litre diesel and say it has a 1.4 engine :)
It’s a 62 kWh battery. The h makes a difference.
Trying to make the video as short as I can :)
Nobby On Cars constructive criticism only :)
But the range.. :P
Cheers from the States! I researched reliability of the EV brands and Nissan has proven itself an if I am buying the Plus version I want reliability for the extra money! Thanks for a great review.
Thanks for watching!
Be careful buying these from a dealer that doesn't maintain them properly while sitting for extended periods on their sales lot. I bought my new Leaf Plus in April of 2020. It was a left over 2019 model that had been sitting on the lot for nearly 18 months and likely not kept within the proper SOC limits for long term storage. Sitting for a couple of weeks or even a few months without being used isn't a problem but sitting for a year and a half requires that they be maintained within a certain SOC range. I did have an issue with one of the 96 modules. I noticed that under ideal conditions I could only get 170 miles before the battery pack flat lined. The SOC gauge would also become very erratic between 50% and 30%. I used an app called "Leaf Spy" and a Bluetooth OBDII reader to verify if all the cells were balancing properly after a full charge. I noticed one was way too low causing the BMS to struggle trying to balance it with the rest of the pack. I took it back and they replaced one of the Modules free of charge. All has been well ever since.