Literally torpedoed the vote and prevented a meaningful vote on Gaza. Complicit in the continued war on Gaza by his actions. Absolute disgrace. His position IS untenable and he should resign.
Agreed since he became the Primary speaker, he has been awful, compared to our previous speaker and other past speakers. He has been the worst speaker we have had in decades. He makes awful decisions and does not ever enforce the rules of the house either and let people get away with things.
Labour's amendment was balanced and realistic, not emotive and impractical. Hoyle did the right thing morally but I suspect he's going to have to go and have a cup of tea now. It's all irrelevant anyway. Such is Britain's position nowadays.
@@therichieboy Whilst I agree, it's more what can we do about it and realistically it's not a lot as a nation. Even considering historically we are a huge cause for this conflict as we are a huge factor involved in the formnation of the nation of Israel itself. But it does not stop really the people themselves feeling like it needs to be stopped and should be represented in the vote for a potential amendment.
It is one of the roles of the speaker of the house to keep politicians to account when they either questions are being refused to be answered or "misleading" parliment has been done, they are literally rules of the house of commons not too and he does not ever stop them. I would like to say I want both sides of government and opposition needs to be held to these rules too, would say the same thing in a hypothetical labour government too. @@mihangelap-williams9871
@@mihangelap-williams9871Too right, his job is to be there and ensure that outright lies, fascist ideology and rampant swindling get equal air-time to everything else. As a good little managed democracy should be!
... Amid elimination, I see the endless sadness and misery of those lacking faith in the divine "Faith Because I have kindness in my heart Because I am spreading Dafa far and wide I stand with the divine in the chaotic world Amid elimination, I see the endless sadness and misery of those lacking faith in the divine The Creator has shown His compassion and supreme power Gods created humans so as to save you back to heaven Keep your faith grounded in tradition Do not become the angry tigers and demons’ wolves Follow the path of the divine, then you’ll be happy and fortunate For the cosmos and myriad living things are His creations 2020" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teaching)
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Watched the whole day as it unfolded. The Labour amendment was totally unnecessary given it mirrored the SNP one. The upset caused to the SNP was understandable given it was their opposition day and the speakers decision was weird especially as when he did it he was warned of the circumstances that would arise by the leader of the SNP. The conservatives later took the opportunity to withdraw their amendment so as to cause chaos. Later accusations of Blackmail of the speaker started doing the rounds. Demands the speaker appear were ignored causing the walkout. He later appeared and gave his reasons for doing what he did. I saw no reason to doubt why he did it but, he was wrong. I think Labour " emotionally " blackmailed him by saying their M.P.'s were being threatened by constituents. The fact that Labour M.P.'s could simply vote for the SNP amendment and cover that problem never appeared into the speakers head. This day is a case of dirty politics by Labour and Conservatives. Wrong headed thinking by the speaker and SNP feeling they have been done wrong. The result of today? Labour have put their advances in Scotland in danger. Labour further alienating the muslim vote and probability the speaker will either resign or be forced out by SNP and conservatives
You say Labour could vote for the SNP motion but equally the SNP could have voted for the Labour motion. They even said they supported it before it was actually introduced. I could understand why the SNP might feel agrieved at there motion being sidelined but at the end of the day they choose to put their party politics above actually doing anything practical that might help the situation in Gaza. The SNP showed themselves to be just as self interested as the Tories and Labour today and I think that will hurt them in the long run
Let's face it. It was all semantics. Nobody had any reason to get upset about those semantics. Everybody agreed on the principle that there should be no more actions that could lead to the death of another innocent person.
Sat through the whole day watching this . I’m a SNP supporter and was fully behind THEIR ceasefire proposition . Only to watch the speaker change the rules to save those in the Labour Party who have shown no support for the people of Gaza . And then to return under the influence and apologise is unacceptable . He must go . And the debate held again
British democracy used to be lauded around the world. What happened today was a total embarrassment. Speaker Hoyle bears some responsibility, but it is not his alone. Today, we saw politicians playing politics as a game of arcane procedure and point scoring in a way that utterly failed the victims of the Hamas/Israel Gaza conflict.
@markhayward7400 - They are WEF puppets following their orders. Old Big Ears did their opening speech. Now research the Agendas of the WEF - You will own nothing and be happy - Massive depopulation agenda - 5 minute cities etc etc etc
Has he not been impartial? He gave all three biggest parties a chance to table their preferred wording of the motion. Sounds about as impartial as you can get. It's only MP throwing a sulk about it that denied themselves a proper opportunity to vote.
@@roberthindle5146 He was told by his Clerks not to do it as it was not the normal procedure. He decided to let his Labour bias slip out. He will be forced to resign. 😂✌
100% agree. The Tories withdrew its Motion today having prevsionsly won a vote on more or less the same. Blame attributed to Hoyle, Labour and the SNP, exactly what they wanted. It should be noted of current rumours, Cons want rid of Hoyle and possible replacement, Mogg.
@Callum4796 I do not think it was a question of having the balls to apologise! It was more a question of him having no other choice than to apologise when it dawned on him he had made a balls-up of the proceedings!😮
It would harm their bank accounts... the Juice own politicians both in the UK and US.... now we're seeing just how far they will go to ensure cover for their war crimes. It's time we banned special interest groups from being able to buy politicians.
Penny Mordaunt should be also be apologising to the country for what her party has done to it. She doesn't sound at all embarrassed. What a total shambles.
When you don't say where the line is you get what you tolerate. This house tolerates everyone shouting and booing and interrupting whenever they want. It's tolerated so it is continuing. This is no way to discuss or to govern. You have to have order and transgressors must be warned then thrown out. Simple as that.
Comments made by the speaker is ridiculous “ to protect all members of the house and their families safe” from who? Is there a threat he is not sharing with commons!
Matters of security relating to members of Parliament and the House itself are for obvious reasons, not discussed in public. But there is a clear increased level of threat against MPs who are being targeted online with harassment for a whole variety of reasons, and let's not forget that 2 MPs, Jo Cox and David Amess, along with PC Keith Palmer were murdered for doing their jobs in the past 10 years.
"The decision was done with the right intentions" say Hoyle. Aye right son. The decision was done with the sole intention of saving Starmer from yet another disaster happening within the Labour party. Despite what Hoyle says he is well known for being anti SNP.
Bullshit. The SNP are playing party politics with a genocide. If they actually cared about a unified statement they would've worked with other parties on their statement. The nats managed to prevent a united front against Israels actions. Youre a fool if you think they care
@@andrewharrison7767 If what I've seen elsewhere turns out to be true then it is currently alleged by a BBC Newsnight reporter that Hoyle was 'blackmailed' into allowing the Labour ammendment, if he didn't then he was told, apparently, that he would get the support of the Labour party after the next General Election to continue in post as the Speaker.
Why is this happening over something that has nothing to do with the UK, we have more issues here, why should we interfere with stuff that don’t affect us
Because the UK is funding Israel and arming it. It's also providing it with diplomatic shielding so it can continue its operations in Gaza. If Israel is convicted of genocide it would mean the UK is party to it. Now stop having your head under the sand. It's disgraceful and shows unbearable hypocrisy.
It seems Keir Starmer pressured the speaker of the house, so it was reported in the media although Lisa Nandy MP keeps denying it. However without realising, she made some admissions on national TV (Channel4), which provides more light about what really happened and more questions will be raised about the role of the Labour Party, i.e. Keir Starmer.
If he takes responsibility for his actions then why has he not resigned. Oh that’s right you can not get punished for blocking the voice of the Scottish nations elected representatives
@@gillgill2851 so to confirm you are saying that you do not believe that the people of Scotland’s voice should be heard and there elected representatives should be silenced in SNP opposition day in what is supposed be be the UK parliament but in reality is only for English voices to be heard.
@@gillgill2851 ha ha you have absolutely no clue do you .let's star with the billions wasted on dodgy ppe contracts the billions overspend so far on warships that not need what about the billions already spent on hs2 and billions more it's going to cost and its only going from London to Birmingham .the sno are irrelevant not in Scotland don't underestimate the snow or the Scottish people .now keep your silly little uneducated opinion to yourself .
Liar liar. Scaredy pants on fire. He bowed down to The Sir to scupper the SNP's one of only 3 per year opportunity of opposition. What a dreadful day he allowed on such a sensitive and worldwide important matter. Change a rule on the spit with no debate or discussion. Shame on him.
The best way forward is to stop interfering in other countries wars. This has nothing to do with the vast majority of the British public and there are more pressing issues being ignored concerning many many more deaths than those in Gaza, and Parliament's after thought off Israel.
listen Boomer, Britain created the mess in Palestine, with the mandate for Palestine. On continental Europe, they derisively call the English "little Americans", and I'm starting to see why
@@BOZ_11 70 years have passed. If adults can't sort out their own borders after all that time, that is not our problem, it's theirs. The Empire is gone, so get your imperialist mindset out of here; our opinion doesn't matter there any more.
Goodness me, they’re a bunch of children, aren’t they? Largely a bunch of spoilt rich kids that fell out of Eton directly into the elite circles and somehow ended up in government. Eton taught them well how to say a lot without saying anything. They’re arrogant, self-absorbed hypocrites.
This is what it sounds like when a person loses all credibility and knows that nobody takes seriously what he is saying. Damn well knew what his intentions were.
He cannot even read pre-written words from a piece of paper. The man is a total embarrassment, he has repeatedly allowed the Tory front bench to get away with murder, and he will go down in history as one of the worst Speakers of all time.
He didn't break and rules. Tories are annoyed because it stopped them stopping the snp motion SNP are angry because they didn't want the vote they where using Gaza for political point scoring. The labour motion allowed the vote to go through on what the SNP claim the wanted but they kicked off... The uproar is not because this was against the rules (it wasn't and perfectly acceptable) but because it hasn't been done before. So if you as a voter are annoyed by this your basically annoyed that the outdated house of parliament (where you can't call a liar a lair) did something forward thinking.
I noticed he didn’t want to address the views of the SNP. But being a typical English politician for one of the two English nationalist parties, the Tory’s and Labour Party, he doesn’t think that Scotland should have a voice in Englands parliament. It was only SNP opposition day so why should there views be heard by a typically Starmer Tory
@dondoodatYou can be a British nationalist and an English nationalist when you conflate Englishness with Britishness. For many people there is no conflict of terms there and indeed that's one of the things that can be quite annoying to British Nationalists in Scotland as well as Scottish Nationalists.
So, we are to believe him, take him at his word, that he did not see this coming? Rubbish! He should preserve what little honour he has not sacrificed to save Starmer's embarrassment - and resign.
He should resign for showing poor judgement, without a doubt he caved in to pressure from Starmer, what he should have done was to show Starmer the door.
A ceasefire has to be based on a mutual agreement by both warring parties. Hamas have said they'll only agree to a ceasefire if Israel pull their troops out of Gaza. Israel won't agree to a ceasefire as long as Israeli hostages are being held in Gaza. All the parties get this. The Tories and SNP are on the back foot so have to take strong positions (ie appealing to polarised emotions). Labour have to deal with the nuances as they are effectively (although not actually) the party in charge.
How on earth did he think this would have ended well. And surely he should have met with leaders before making the decision. Assuming it was done with the best of intentions he should have realised his handling was terrible.
I am no great political guru but even I can see immediately that cowering down in the face of threats does not make any MP safer. I cannot believe that a parliamentarian of the experience of Hoyle didn't see that too. He gave in to pressure from Starmer that was applied in order to head off an embarassing revolt from Labour.
It’s party politics while playing with people’s lives. Labour shouldn’t have taken so long to call for a ceasefire. Tories caused a ruckus because they thought they could attack labour with it. SNP wanted to cause a divide in Labour because it will help them in a general election and the Lib Dem’s are now attacking the SNP for playing party politics because it will help them with a general election in Scotland.. It’s so hard to grasp the selfishness of these people purely because a general election is on the horizon.
Sunak and Starmer are mere puppets of the Globalists such as the WEF. Please wake up to this !!! btw Big Ears did their opening Speech - You will own nothing and be happy - plus a MASSIVE depopulation agenda.
The SNP have been calling for a permanent ceasefire since last year whilst Starmer was cosying up with Nick Ferrari saying Israel have a right to commit war crimes (turning off water, electricity and food supplies). The SNP have been the only party consistently calling for a permanent ceasefire so your accusation of selfishness to the SNP is desperate. It was THEIR opposition day, what's so hard to to understand there? Labour just lost a lot of votes in Scotland.
Why was the leader of the SNP not consulted on this procedural change in advance of the announcement instead of cosy chats with Labour behind the chair ? Resign Hoyle .
Crazy coincidence the Labour speaker's mistake was a gift to Labour. And crazy coincidence he only apologised when he realised his precedent might cost his career.
This apology was needed, but it is important to recognise that Labour now backs a ceasefire so why didn’t the SNP vote? The Labour proposal was essentially the same amendment but with more detail and diplomacy attached to it
How can he make the claim of trying "to do the right thing"!? He's the "Speaker of the House" and that house included more than two parties. I'm no expert on parliamentary process and procedures but silencing voices from other parties strikes me as rather fundamental and very basic...
well in fairness his action was to allow more than one option, thereby giving voice to a wider range of the MPs in theory, so I don't think it's fair to say that he silenced anyone
This establishment is a disgrace and you Mr Speaker are a prime example of what's wrong with it. Your apology is not accepted by the people who vote and the sooner you're gone the better RESIGN.
They are WEF puppets following their orders. Old Big Ears did their opening speech. Now research the Agendas of the WEF - You will own nothing and be happy - Massive depopulation agenda - 5 minute cities etc etc etc
@@johncarney9049 I'm fully aware this was not politics is Scotand, what I am pointing out is there are more important things going on in the UK, and not a war three thousand miles away.
@@SARA-h7x1k You right there are more important things going on in the UK right now and last night was a small taste of it. There is a war happening right under our noses and last night democracy took a massive blow.
Literally torpedoed the vote and prevented a meaningful vote on Gaza. Complicit in the continued war on Gaza by his actions. Absolute disgrace. His position IS untenable and he should resign.
Well said seems clear the tail is wagging the dog 😊
Agreed since he became the Primary speaker, he has been awful, compared to our previous speaker and other past speakers. He has been the worst speaker we have had in decades. He makes awful decisions and does not ever enforce the rules of the house either and let people get away with things.
Labour's amendment was balanced and realistic, not emotive and impractical. Hoyle did the right thing morally but I suspect he's going to have to go and have a cup of tea now. It's all irrelevant anyway. Such is Britain's position nowadays.
When a cushy number becomes difficult?
@@therichieboy Whilst I agree, it's more what can we do about it and realistically it's not a lot as a nation. Even considering historically we are a huge cause for this conflict as we are a huge factor involved in the formnation of the nation of Israel itself.
But it does not stop really the people themselves feeling like it needs to be stopped and should be represented in the vote for a potential amendment.
...says Hoyle, who never once censured the lies openly spoken on the floor of the House of Commons by Boris or Rishi
It's.not his job?
@@mihangelap-williams9871 It is his job
It is one of the roles of the speaker of the house to keep politicians to account when they either questions are being refused to be answered or "misleading" parliment has been done, they are literally rules of the house of commons not too and he does not ever stop them. I would like to say I want both sides of government and opposition needs to be held to these rules too, would say the same thing in a hypothetical labour government too. @@mihangelap-williams9871
Do you not understand the Speakers job ?
@@mihangelap-williams9871Too right, his job is to be there and ensure that outright lies, fascist ideology and rampant swindling get equal air-time to everything else.
As a good little managed democracy should be!
What an absolute disgrace.
Over an irrelevance. Quite something.
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Because I have kindness in my heart
Because I am spreading Dafa far and wide
I stand with the divine in the chaotic world
Amid elimination, I see the endless sadness and misery of those lacking faith in the divine
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Keep your faith grounded in tradition
Do not become the angry tigers and demons’ wolves
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Watched the whole day as it unfolded. The Labour amendment was totally unnecessary given it mirrored the SNP one. The upset caused to the SNP was understandable given it was their opposition day and the speakers decision was weird especially as when he did it he was warned of the circumstances that would arise by the leader of the SNP. The conservatives later took the opportunity to withdraw their amendment so as to cause chaos. Later accusations of Blackmail of the speaker started doing the rounds. Demands the speaker appear were ignored causing the walkout. He later appeared and gave his reasons for doing what he did. I saw no reason to doubt why he did it but, he was wrong. I think Labour " emotionally " blackmailed him by saying their M.P.'s were being threatened by constituents. The fact that Labour M.P.'s could simply vote for the SNP amendment and cover that problem never appeared into the speakers head. This day is a case of dirty politics by Labour and Conservatives. Wrong headed thinking by the speaker and SNP feeling they have been done wrong. The result of today? Labour have put their advances in Scotland in danger. Labour further alienating the muslim vote and probability the speaker will either resign or be forced out by SNP and conservatives
SNP feeling they have been done wrong? They have been disrespected, plain and simple. Exposes the HoP for the farce it is.
You say Labour could vote for the SNP motion but equally the SNP could have voted for the Labour motion. They even said they supported it before it was actually introduced. I could understand why the SNP might feel agrieved at there motion being sidelined but at the end of the day they choose to put their party politics above actually doing anything practical that might help the situation in Gaza. The SNP showed themselves to be just as self interested as the Tories and Labour today and I think that will hurt them in the long run
it didn't mirror the SNP's motion, that wouldn't make sense. It rightly highlighted the two-sidedness of the situation.
@@therichieboy shut up you talking nonsense starmer playing politics while people get slaughtered and it's been going on far too fn long
Let's face it. It was all semantics. Nobody had any reason to get upset about those semantics. Everybody agreed on the principle that there should be no more actions that could lead to the death of another innocent person.
Sat through the whole day watching this . I’m a SNP supporter and was fully behind THEIR ceasefire proposition . Only to watch the speaker change the rules to save those in the Labour Party who have shown no support for the people of Gaza .
And then to return under the influence and apologise is unacceptable . He must go . And the debate held again
under the influence? was he p**sed then?
British democracy used to be lauded around the world. What happened today was a total embarrassment. Speaker Hoyle bears some responsibility, but it is not his alone. Today, we saw politicians playing politics as a game of arcane procedure and point scoring in a way that utterly failed the victims of the Hamas/Israel Gaza conflict.
@markhayward7400 - They are WEF puppets following their orders. Old Big Ears did their opening speech. Now research the Agendas of the WEF - You will own nothing and be happy - Massive depopulation agenda - 5 minute cities etc etc etc
Democracy now is only during campaign trail. Once whoever gets in they do what they want to fill their pockets.
lol no it wasnt, british democracy was colonialism and slavery, you are all a disgrace
Surely that is a resigning matter for the speaker as he is meant to be impartial!
Has he not been impartial? He gave all three biggest parties a chance to table their preferred wording of the motion. Sounds about as impartial as you can get. It's only MP throwing a sulk about it that denied themselves a proper opportunity to vote.
@@roberthindle5146 He was told by his Clerks not to do it as it was not the normal procedure.
He decided to let his Labour bias slip out.
He will be forced to resign. 😂✌
Pfft, impartiality lmao. He's not shy with who he supports.
Bring back betty
Wouldn’t it be nice if when any of us make a mistake just apologise and then that makes everything ok and just move on like fcuk all ever happened .
The right thing? Resign.
He was trying to get Stamer out the shit plain and simple!
@outdoorsoci… What a load of bollocks
@@Jessjoe1956maybe, maybe not. But the fact the correlation is evident is damaging
how
He's a tool. In every sense of the word.
When the speaker finds themselves the story, then it's not a good sign.
At least he had the balls to apologise. Buti have a git feeling and suspect there is more to this story than we know.
100% agree. The Tories withdrew its Motion today having prevsionsly won a vote on more or less the same. Blame attributed to Hoyle, Labour and the SNP, exactly what they wanted. It should be noted of current rumours, Cons want rid of Hoyle and possible replacement, Mogg.
Aye apology that mean f all
@@Vee-jc1qh Mogg 😂 are you joking?
@@Vee-jc1qhMOGG! HOLY HELL!
@Callum4796
I do not think it was a question of having the balls to apologise! It was more a question of him having no other choice than to apologise when it dawned on him he had made a balls-up of the proceedings!😮
Threats to members of the house? They’ve brought all this on themselves, just look at the mess they have got this country in 😡
Hoyle bought up security fears of MPs, is he saying that Israel would harm British politicians if the SNP vote was pushed through?
It would harm their bank accounts... the Juice own politicians both in the UK and US.... now we're seeing just how far they will go to ensure cover for their war crimes. It's time we banned special interest groups from being able to buy politicians.
No not Israel, but apparently some MPs have been hassled by members of the public.
No. Fears of the growing Muslim intimidation which has recently reached a dangerous level.
Or Israel might demand their money back?
Yep.
Leave the Speakership NOW!... permanently.
Absolutely not! He’s brilliant, the man is allowed missteps for Gods sake
he's a blithering idiot who at his best falls well short of Bercow even at his worst@@minui8758
Hell be gone within 24 hours along with labour lol.
@@minui8758 He's the worst speaker in my lifetime for fecks sakes. The man is useless. Bercow was far superior.
@@ashleybishton742 Stick to your day job. You're terrible at political analysis.
Penny Mordaunt should be also be apologising to the country for what her party has done to it. She doesn't sound at all embarrassed. What a total shambles.
When the house of commons is this much of a joke, is it any wonder that the rest of the world laugh at us?
no it aint any wonder is it there like little kids .
The rest of the world is worse.
Aye- and thats not a good thing. This is an embarrassment- all of them are @@jacobfield4848
@@jacobfield4848 keep telling yourself that
Lol even some of your former COLONIES like Singapore are way ahead of you. You're a bunch of has-beens now@@jacobfield4848
When you don't say where the line is you get what you tolerate. This house tolerates everyone shouting and booing and interrupting whenever they want. It's tolerated so it is continuing. This is no way to discuss or to govern. You have to have order and transgressors must be warned then thrown out. Simple as that.
Brilliant comment 👍
That is not the issue here.
@@captainwin6333 It's the recurring issue.
Both Hoyle and the lady that replaced his seat need to go
Pointless 😂😂 Israel won't listen
Comments made by the speaker is ridiculous “ to protect all members of the house and their families safe” from who? Is there a threat he is not sharing with commons!
No doubt he knows more than us
i think he means their jobs ie their position in parliament
@@bertieclayton4865 No
Matters of security relating to members of Parliament and the House itself are for obvious reasons, not discussed in public. But there is a clear increased level of threat against MPs who are being targeted online with harassment for a whole variety of reasons, and let's not forget that 2 MPs, Jo Cox and David Amess, along with PC Keith Palmer were murdered for doing their jobs in the past 10 years.
@@BladedFish no?
He was told too? Does he think we are stupid...
For the speaker of the house he seems fairly incoherent.
Only fairly? 🤔
The bar opens early in the house.
@@blackjock953 weak bait, you can do better.
Yeh, someone needs to resign
Hoyles is full of the stuff one finds in a farm yard!!
You mean farmers?
That stuff is useful, Hoyle isn’t.
@@Pinkyearlgrey He means animal poop.
"The decision was done with the right intentions" say Hoyle.
Aye right son.
The decision was done with the sole intention of saving Starmer from yet another disaster happening within the Labour party. Despite what Hoyle says he is well known for being anti SNP.
Bullshit. The SNP are playing party politics with a genocide. If they actually cared about a unified statement they would've worked with other parties on their statement.
The nats managed to prevent a united front against Israels actions. Youre a fool if you think they care
right intentions meaning keeping his job post election
@andrewharrison7767 Hes the speaker. He doesn't have real election challengers
@@andrewharrison7767 If what I've seen elsewhere turns out to be true then it is currently alleged by a BBC Newsnight reporter that Hoyle was 'blackmailed' into allowing the Labour ammendment, if he didn't then he was told, apparently, that he would get the support of the Labour party after the next General Election to continue in post as the Speaker.
He’s an English fascist
he should resign
'I have neither eyes to see, nor tongue to speak, in this place but as the house is pleased to direct me,' whatever happened to that approach?
Starmers dirty fingerprint are all over this disaster.
So this is democracy?
For the Brits it is.
It's slightly antiquated but it is what passes for democracy in the UK
Slightly?
English ‘democracy’
@@boxtradums0073 English? There is not even an English parliament.
Why is this happening over something that has nothing to do with the UK, we have more issues here, why should we interfere with stuff that don’t affect us
Because the UK is funding Israel and arming it. It's also providing it with diplomatic shielding so it can continue its operations in Gaza. If Israel is convicted of genocide it would mean the UK is party to it.
Now stop having your head under the sand. It's disgraceful and shows unbearable hypocrisy.
He shut down one of the governments opposition against all the rules, so the rule keeper broke the rules... he is a weak speaker and needs to resign.
Time for an independent Scotland we are clearly not welcome in Westminster
Hoyle is not competent!
It seems Keir Starmer pressured the speaker of the house, so it was reported in the media although Lisa Nandy MP keeps denying it. However without realising, she made some admissions on national TV (Channel4), which provides more light about what really happened and more questions will be raised about the role of the Labour Party, i.e. Keir Starmer.
I wouldn't trust Nandy as far as I could throw her, and that ain't far.
Starmer is a 🤡. Doesn't know what a woman is😂😂😂😂
If he takes responsibility for his actions then why has he not resigned. Oh that’s right you can not get punished for blocking the voice of the Scottish nations elected representatives
That ship has sailed (300 million pound later and 5 years overdue) as the SNP is irrelevant, are they all down on expenses or living in camper vans.
@@gillgill2851
What was that gibberish?
@@gillgill2851 so to confirm you are saying that you do not believe that the people of Scotland’s voice should be heard and there elected representatives should be silenced in SNP opposition day in what is supposed be be the UK parliament but in reality is only for English voices to be heard.
Really? How are your mighty englandshires warships working out?
@@gillgill2851 ha ha you have absolutely no clue do you .let's star with the billions wasted on dodgy ppe contracts the billions overspend so far on warships that not need what about the billions already spent on hs2 and billions more it's going to cost and its only going from London to Birmingham .the sno are irrelevant not in Scotland don't underestimate the snow or the Scottish people .now keep your silly little uneducated opinion to yourself .
Liar liar. Scaredy pants on fire. He bowed down to The Sir to scupper the SNP's one of only 3 per year opportunity of opposition. What a dreadful day he allowed on such a sensitive and worldwide important matter. Change a rule on the spit with no debate or discussion. Shame on him.
The British Parliament should be debating British issues, not Gaza
"All this was done to protect all members of this house" What a load of bollox, what has he been smoking. Who dreamt that excuse up for him?
He is out of his depth in that seat.
The best way forward is to stop interfering in other countries wars. This has nothing to do with the vast majority of the British public and there are more pressing issues being ignored concerning many many more deaths than those in Gaza, and Parliament's after thought off Israel.
Unless ofcourse, you care about humanity, and not just those born in the UK..
The ignorance of your comment has no bounds.
So you support ceasing all trade of arms to Israel immediately, so we stop supporting their war?
listen Boomer, Britain created the mess in Palestine, with the mandate for Palestine. On continental Europe, they derisively call the English "little Americans", and I'm starting to see why
@@BOZ_11 70 years have passed. If adults can't sort out their own borders after all that time, that is not our problem, it's theirs. The Empire is gone, so get your imperialist mindset out of here; our opinion doesn't matter there any more.
Spinelss much, if we cant expect the speaker to take resposibility for a huge f up, how can we expect the MPs
Just think people these are your elected officials
They should all resign - this is not civilised behaviour.
Goodness me, they’re a bunch of children, aren’t they? Largely a bunch of spoilt rich kids that fell out of Eton directly into the elite circles and somehow ended up in government. Eton taught them well how to say a lot without saying anything. They’re arrogant, self-absorbed hypocrites.
This is what it sounds like when a person loses all credibility and knows that nobody takes seriously what he is saying. Damn well knew what his intentions were.
He cannot even read pre-written words from a piece of paper. The man is a total embarrassment, he has repeatedly allowed the Tory front bench to get away with murder, and he will go down in history as one of the worst Speakers of all time.
Why didn't you let us hear the SNP reply?
He didn't break and rules.
Tories are annoyed because it stopped them stopping the snp motion
SNP are angry because they didn't want the vote they where using Gaza for political point scoring.
The labour motion allowed the vote to go through on what the SNP claim the wanted but they kicked off...
The uproar is not because this was against the rules (it wasn't and perfectly acceptable) but because it hasn't been done before.
So if you as a voter are annoyed by this your basically annoyed that the outdated house of parliament (where you can't call a liar a lair) did something forward thinking.
He's got to go.
I noticed he didn’t want to address the views of the SNP. But being a typical English politician for one of the two English nationalist parties, the Tory’s and Labour Party, he doesn’t think that Scotland should have a voice in Englands parliament. It was only SNP opposition day so why should there views be heard by a typically Starmer Tory
@dondoodatYou can be a British nationalist and an English nationalist when you conflate Englishness with Britishness. For many people there is no conflict of terms there and indeed that's one of the things that can be quite annoying to British Nationalists in Scotland as well as Scottish Nationalists.
So, we are to believe him, take him at his word, that he did not see this coming?
Rubbish! He should preserve what little honour he has not sacrificed to save Starmer's embarrassment - and resign.
He should resign for showing poor judgement, without a doubt he caved in to pressure from Starmer, what he should have done was to show Starmer the door.
An, "apology," expressed with belligerence & defensive indignation rather than contrition & humility.
Seems believable.
Can MPs literally not keep their mouths shut for more than two seconds?
These house of clowns would never survive in a real job..... Corruption being exposed again....
Apologies aren’t enough. That speech should’ve been a resign speech. But he won’t resign SHOCKER! Just do the right thing and resign.
The speaker needs to be REMOVED, PERIOD. He’s expressed absolute BIASE in letting Labour “TUNE” him up against the SNPs rights as a Party…!?!
It's a thankless task, dealing with those children
Starmer has stitched him up, what a muppet.
Bring back Bercow
No, thank you. Being a marginally better speaker doesn't absolve him of being a narcissistic bully.
Could someone explain me what's the problem? I'm lost. The call for the ceasefire is the call for the ceasefire.
A ceasefire has to be based on a mutual agreement by both warring parties. Hamas have said they'll only agree to a ceasefire if Israel pull their troops out of Gaza. Israel won't agree to a ceasefire as long as Israeli hostages are being held in Gaza. All the parties get this. The Tories and SNP are on the back foot so have to take strong positions (ie appealing to polarised emotions). Labour have to deal with the nuances as they are effectively (although not actually) the party in charge.
How on earth did he think this would have ended well. And surely he should have met with leaders before making the decision. Assuming it was done with the best of intentions he should have realised his handling was terrible.
I am no great political guru but even I can see immediately that cowering down in the face of threats does not make any MP safer. I cannot believe that a parliamentarian of the experience of Hoyle didn't see that too. He gave in to pressure from Starmer that was applied in order to head off an embarassing revolt from Labour.
These people like peacocks strutting their feathers. This time they've flown a little too close to the Sun
It’s party politics while playing with people’s lives.
Labour shouldn’t have taken so long to call for a ceasefire. Tories caused a ruckus because they thought they could attack labour with it. SNP wanted to cause a divide in Labour because it will help them in a general election and the Lib Dem’s are now attacking the SNP for playing party politics because it will help them with a general election in Scotland..
It’s so hard to grasp the selfishness of these people purely because a general election is on the horizon.
Sunak and Starmer are mere puppets of the Globalists such as the WEF. Please wake up to this !!! btw Big Ears did their opening Speech - You will own nothing and be happy - plus a MASSIVE depopulation agenda.
The SNP have been calling for a permanent ceasefire since last year whilst Starmer was cosying up with Nick Ferrari saying Israel have a right to commit war crimes (turning off water, electricity and food supplies). The SNP have been the only party consistently calling for a permanent ceasefire so your accusation of selfishness to the SNP is desperate. It was THEIR opposition day, what's so hard to to understand there? Labour just lost a lot of votes in Scotland.
Absolute disgrace. He needs to resign immediately.
wasn't he blackmailed by Starmer?
You've done the wrong thing, no wriggling out of it.
Nothing that comes out of this fool’s mouth should be taken as factual. Get him out.
The 'Road to Hell is paved with good intenstions'. The Speaker is TOAST.
Did you ‘intend’ to spell it like that? 🙏🏽
Disgraceful he should resign
YOU CANI GET AWAY WITH THAT
Why was the leader of the SNP not consulted on this procedural change in advance of the announcement instead of cosy chats with Labour behind the chair ? Resign Hoyle .
Ah, no worries. No ones even noticed.
He sacrificed himself to save Keir Starmer. I thought the Speaker was meant to be impartial.
Crazy coincidence the Labour speaker's mistake was a gift to Labour. And crazy coincidence he only apologised when he realised his precedent might cost his career.
Have you followed his speakership? What crazy coincidence are you talking about?
@@therichieboy Lindsay Hoyle should resign, the SNP are right.
Resign .. thats the right thing to do
This apology was needed, but it is important to recognise that Labour now backs a ceasefire so why didn’t the SNP vote? The Labour proposal was essentially the same amendment but with more detail and diplomacy attached to it
Because it was a vote that would cause a Labour rebellion, the way the SNP intended.
Utter claptrap !
He can take his apology and his coat and leave the Parliament and never return.
How can he make the claim of trying "to do the right thing"!? He's the "Speaker of the House" and that house included more than two parties. I'm no expert on parliamentary process and procedures but silencing voices from other parties strikes me as rather fundamental and very basic...
well in fairness his action was to allow more than one option, thereby giving voice to a wider range of the MPs in theory, so I don't think it's fair to say that he silenced anyone
He's been asleep at the wheel for years... Too busy waiting for a spot in the house of lords.
This establishment is a disgrace and you Mr Speaker are a prime example of what's wrong with it. Your apology is not accepted by the people who vote and the sooner you're gone the better RESIGN.
They are WEF puppets following their orders. Old Big Ears did their opening speech. Now research the Agendas of the WEF - You will own nothing and be happy - Massive depopulation agenda - 5 minute cities etc etc etc
@1.05, bravo for Hoyle was calling out Islamic threats of violence against members of the House for not agreeing with their fanatical beliefs!
The mother of all parliament is full of an awful lot of crooks.
He tried to do the right thing what an absolute lie. He was blackmailed by labour! Riculous
Is this parliament or Shakespeare's Globe Theater? I can't tell anymore. Probably never could!!
Try doing the right thing for the UK
How embarrassing that our supposedly intelligent MPs cannot allow the man make what must have been a very difficult speech without barracking him!
Resign immediately. Not fit for the office.
Why is the speaker of the House a Labour supporter?
What happened to standards. No body resigned. No self-respect
RESIGN!
Need to resign and so does keir.
Resign !
The Speaker must go
Another reminder that Ed Campbell's fear of fish is a lie to hide his links to Big Tuna, and his mermaid fetish.
remove yourself from the house then>>>
The only option for Mr Speaker is to quit.
The state of politics in Scotland is a disgrace, This should never have been an issue in Hogwart Parliament. 😅😅
This was not politics in Scotland, it was politics in WM - there is a difference.
@@johncarney9049 I'm fully aware this was not politics is Scotand, what I am pointing out is there are more important things going on in the UK, and not a war three thousand miles away.
@@SARA-h7x1k You right there are more important things going on in the UK right now and last night was a small taste of it. There is a war happening right under our noses and last night democracy took a massive blow.
Sure bud