Organ Guns
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I think Dawi playstyle is kinda lore friendly: you don't experiment, you just use your reliable tools
That's going right into the fookn Book of Good Noodles. 👌
The old ways are BEST!
Immortal Empires gonna be a game changer for dwarfs. Imagine dwarf army but with bretonian or empire cav. Or with big stompy dinos. Or wood elf zoats that can CAST REAL MAGIC. HEAL MAGIC ON YOUR HEROES. AS DWARFS.
@@Sarum9nich dwarfs usually didn’t need heal magic because they could all have the ironwarden’s tankard
@@RicardoSanchez-es5wl heal magic is always useful. Though I don't think that regular zoats have spell that give additional physical resistance.
Glad to see the noble Dawi get some spotlight again.
Sadly, this means that someone has erred in their Dawi campaign, and that IS a grudgin.
i love dawi players. always type the best comments
The dawi don't belong in a series like this. Especially against some shoddy swords with a smattering of crossbows. Most definitely a grudgin' to be had today.
@@soldier22881 Oh, fun fact since you enjoy the attitude of Dwarf players. The Dwarf name for men, umgi, has a root in the dwarf word "umgak" meaning poorly made or "man-made". That's why it always is said in a dismissive or even belittling tone.
@@Rafael_Fuchs huh never knew that, thanks! but luckily humans and dwarfs are friends right?
@@soldier22881 Usually, but not always. They always put their grudges aside when they see that man is in real trouble though. Man is weak, but full of passion and that makes even the most vocal of the ol' grumblers secretly proud.
9:35 the Engineer's ability Entrenchment can be used on a retreating unit to prevent it from leaving the battlefield (and retaining some balance of power) if it's in a relatively safe position. Gives it a period where it can recover some leadership.
Didn't think of this. Keep losing Rangers to leadership penalties too early into a battle. Gonna save this for future use
That is an excellent tip. Thanks for sharing!
There is something magical and manly in a well set up Dawi army.
Yes it puts hair on the chins
@@Izznogood76 Turn this beardling into a true Longbeard in no time!
That cannons moving mid combat without being ordered to is one of the thing that piss me off the most in recent total wars and just like u said I usually don’t give them order in tricky battles where them moving might doom the battle
@AllPresidentsAreBastards They do it despite guard mode sadly, idk why.
If I am not mistaken, after some patch it suddenly became a problem that every artillery unit does this, they just reform after having followed an attack order.....
@AllPresidentsAreBastards Yep. and it's like legend said, if you want them to perform "normally" you just put them in position, have auto fire on and don't give manual orders. Sad & stupid
This issue has been around since medieval 2, Actually.
Worse, i would argue.
@AllPresidentsAreBastards Once artillery loses their target they have a tendency to get stressed out, so they do a 360 reposition to calm themselves when their target dies or you choose a new one. Guard mode just stops them from acctually moving foreward to chase down their targets.
Anyone else think Ironbreakers should have at least silver shields, ~50% missile block.
In all that matters, Ironbreakers should be impervious to all kind of small proyectiles. They have gromnil armor, for Grugni's shake!
I think they should have gold shields, they are the best troops in the world at holding, it makes sense
if ironbreakers were lore friendly they wouldn't take damage from any small projectiles or hand weapons, the only thing that would kill them are things that can bypass gromril like flames, poison, spells and exhaustion but hell the dwarfs are even pretty resistant to all of those. my headcanon (could be actual canon idk) is that they are named ironbreakers because enemy weapons shatter on their gromril
@@bippo8901 pretty sure they do have gold in SFO
@@teutorixaleria918 yeah, that’s why I prefer playing Dwarfs in SFO
Thanks for covering yet another of my disaster battles legend. I didnt have the pottery to craft ironwardens tankard btw. Twas a freshly recruited army coz while my man armies were dealing with Eshin in the east those guys decleared war on me so, needed an army to deal with them. I tried this battle even after i sent it to you. Always corner camped but didnt try a formation like that before. That was clever. Nowadays, Grombi is united with Ironbrow and conquering lizardman and tomb kings alike. THanks again.
It does not matter you don't have pottery. You still have 1k oathgold and you don't even have some 30 oathgold pieces on grom. That's just lazy :D
@@sukubos1737 Shhh, dont say anyone.:)
It's always a pleasure watching you play. I've learned a lot from you. Thanks :)
this again shows that we need a Dawi Blimp in WH3 :D
maybe that could be like an Dark Elf Ark, floating around nearby and supporting dwarven armies with artillery barrages
I recomand you try the thunderbarge mod for wh2 , and the gyrocopter for engineers mod . They help just a bit (not overpowered ).
@@florinsimigiu6109 I don’t love the thunderbarge mod. They feel pretty weak imo; the AI focuses them down and they get stomped by enemy missile units easily.
Get on good terms with Miao she might lend you some junk.
@@Loj84 that is what i meant when i said " not op " , and that is a good thing
@@florinsimigiu6109 not being op is good. Being weak is not good.
That formation was a text book example of "I want you to go here if you don't mind." and the AI gladly obliges.
Organ Guns are like GutsMan.
Neither shoot intestines and that makes me sad.
Nurgle, get on it!!!
Slight correction Legend, you said Organ Goods are amazing for DPS when in fact they are just amazing
Hey Legend, thanks for uploading this video even if you don't like playing dwarfs.
My field performance with dwarfs late game with organ guns got wayyyy better after following this video.
Glad you mentioned the forge. It will help with boosting the Lord and helping the inexperienced survive a little longer.
A unit of brimstone gyrocopters gives you some proper micro to do on the approach. They can be a bit squishy and are extremely vulnerable to any fast melee fliers, fast AP mounted archers like the goblin wolf rider regiment of renown, and FUCKING SKAVEN WEAPONS TEAMS, but they do really exceptional damage to characters, especially large/mounted ones, absolutely *violate* artillery pieces, and can invalidate multiple units of cavalry every battle. Furthermore, they can spot dangerous stalking units like Nasty Skulkers by flying overhead, ensuring your ranged and arty delete them before contact. This is far less applicable with regular gyros, whose lower single target damage isn't anti-large, and suffers from accuracy problems. Skaven AI are the only faction you will spend a lot of time fighting that can invalidate gyrocopters entirely. Even flying heroes or monsters like Vargheists, pegasus paladins etc aren't quite as dangerous as the might seem, as long as you are very careful with micro. Enemy gunpowder is also very dangerous, but fairly rare to come across. Brimstones do a *lot* of damage to them, and you can ranged kite them way away from the rest of the army to be dealt with piecemeal, shredding the most dangerous big boys the enemy army has.
Yeah the Gyros are basically the Dwarven answer to a Cavalry unit and in my personal opinion I like them better than regular Cav.
0:57 Yes. Because of that I put 2 Gyrobomber I’m my armies just to have stuff to micro in battle. They’re pretty good as a harass unit as well since they can snipe single entity out while your other units run to the corner. They can also delay missile unit from reaching your frontline or redirect them from your main army. Once the melee happen their bombs can also do a lot of damage to blob. And lastly, they can run priority unit down once you win.
this. they're underrated in campaign imo
"No auto-resolving on this one, Siri play Fortunate Son."
@@de_sherwin I love the bombers, they can keep ranged units back from the engagement as well as blobbing them up a bit more for arty. They are also one of the few Dawi weapons that PUNISH blobs with bombs. I tend to get a brimstone and a single bomber and switch between the two at the start if they I want to lord snipe a high armor or low armor lord.
@@de_sherwin
They somewhat make up for the overall low mobility and lack of true skirmishers. If I can I like to have at least one, preferably two units of them. They’re the dwarven answer to Cavalry and depending on how you use Cavalry you might like these more than traditional Cav. I certainly do.
I love watching these late at night! Thanks LoTW!
Usually go with regular iron drakes with flamethrowers as it gives you something to do while corner camping. Set them behind the iron breakers and have them shoot through a gap in the line or on the outside flanks if there is cavalry, then work their way around the sides and roast the entire front line. Effective way to add a lot of infantry killing power on the flanks and still are pretty effective against large monsters.
It might not be a case of armour being overrated but range being ridiculously overpowered. A low tier archer unit can deal up to 1000+ damage in a single volley.
No one puts the Dawi in the corner.....except the Dawi.
ive had good success with the organ guys stacking them in my infantry lines so that just the tips of the guns poke out. they still fire and can fire up until the last moment during a charge, sometimes they keep firing during the melee for a bit, and if things get hairy or your formation gets pushed back you can wheel them out or even abandon the engines for a second until things cool off.
Organ Guns be like: *You spin me right round, baby right round.*
Hey Legend,
Really appreciate you talking about preferred play style for the faction at the beginning of these battles. It's helped me realize I've been playing these factions all wrong lol
The few fire-throwing units in this army is going in the book.
I always have regular irondrakes and flame cannons in my armies whenever possible. So damn satisfying to use on formations.
Dawi could really struggle in WH3 if all sieges were redone.
Their slow speed will mean quite a few losses.
Unlike WH2 where Dawi easily take any settlement with walls with 0 losses.
but dawi can get siege engine pretty soon, and gruge thrower is a very good earlly artillery, you dont push your infantry until your thrower bombed the shit out of the enemy infantry, i actully think it might be easier than the WH2
@@roadnontaken9085 towers...
@@blaslopezgil8023 I thought CA did a patch so that Ai rebuild them far less frequently, but they are a pain in the ass
@@roadnontaken9085 did you play WH3 siege maps? Static army even with aritilery will struggle a lot.
@@Skret2 You can easily shoot down towers with 1-2 volleys from any ranged unit. And the enemy keeps parading their units around every point for you to shoot. Only in gigantic sieges you might get poked by the far back towers.
I find having Iron drake flamers are a great unit to have for micro, have them flank an engaged enemy and watch them all burn.
The Dawi making up there lack of fanciness with pure stubbornness. And lots of Bullets.
Some good tips and tricks here.
A lot of the positioning ones also hold true e.g. for Vampire Coast.
YES! Iv been dieing for a dawi vid/stream :D!
Moral of the story: bring big beards and even bigger guns
The sound of organ guns. like the name they make music.
Man I love my old organ guns
BEARDS IN BELTS!!
Dawi!
Attack!
Vengeance!!
God I love the dwarfs voice acting.
I may have been sleeping on the organ guns. Grudge throwers are just so easy and effective that I've never even touched cannons or organ guns before
Impressive. I will have to remember that.
Simply a shredder.
Engineer should get flying mount like gyrocopter. It would help with cheese lil bit, it would be good tool for distraction.
every time the damn organ guns turn around SMFH STOP IT BROS!!
Ah, the orphan guns.
I love playing dwarves so much, can't wait to play chaos dwarves.
Dawi with magic and monsters and flyers, what's not to love!!
Where did this guy go wrong to have Miragliano attacking the dwarves in the badlands. 😂😂😂
I was fighting with clan eshin and malus in the east. Great power penalty and anti-player bias made these guys attack me while my armies far away to dealing thagoraki and dank elgis. I was almost finished up those guys and may be returning with my armies at that point, cant really remember..
@@morgomir2327 Thats quite the situation.
I think this army has too many ironbreakers. Personally I would drop 2 ironbreakers for 2 thanes or 1 thane 1 engineer (more tanking for the killzone, more ammo replenishment). Then set up the 4 ironbreakers on the sides with 4 thunderers in chevron formation. I’d drop the 5th thunderer for a 5th organ gun to really destroy that killzone, but that’s not totally necessary.
I agree. I would say 4-5 Ironbreakers are enough. Normally I have 1 Thain, 1 Runesmith and 2 Engineers in my armies. My plan is to compensate the loss of 1 Ironbreaker with 1 Engineer. So this way the engineer gives the range units 15% more damage which should be enough to compensate for 1 less Ironbreaker. Also, they are solid tanks so if needed, they can hold the line for some time. In the end, the equipment for the heroes and lords in my opinion is the most important one, that's why normally my Main Army can take on at least 2 armies. (As long as they aren't Skaven)
When you're so angry you turn from Whitebeard to Redbeard.
Armchair general faction is my jam ❤️
Thanks!
Thanks for the video
Fresh off my Dwarf campaign I decided to play Skaven, and after attempting to use dwarf tactics, I stopped playing skaven.
Watching this makes me itch to play TWH3 again, Just the DCLs are so expensive..
I love a good dwarven battleline
This formation I used so much on my last karl franz campaign 😂
The Organ guns, just want to do a 360 no scope...
Good, one less grudge to settle
This event shall be recorded in the Book of Grudges as "The Massacre of Cheesecorner Alley".
There's an item that makes the bearer immune to knockback. Forge it and give it to Grom, then let him stand there and kill mounted lords in like 3 hits.
The battles may always be the same or similar with the dwarves, with very few exceptions like slayer builds, but still doesn't get any less entertaining to see you play them :) Right on man
Dawi'Zar are still missing TWWH3
6:50 gotta do the ol spinneroni
really wish they would stay in formation on the unit card line, artillery always gets jumbled up no matter how i position them
any skill or item that gives armour bonus i pretty much ignore, if theres nothing else sure ill use it but that almost is never the case
0:00 "Legiftowa here"
The most powerful formation I've found is a box of dwarves on a hill
6:50 As soon as he say it. The Ai immediately fuck around
Besides the lord, what units you should recruit as support in a vampira count crap army? Corpse cart (if you dont want to use your necromancer in the army)? Terrorgheist for the anti large agaisnt single units? Black coach for the lolz?
Let them come!
HA HA! We have them outnumbered! Now lets charge head long into prepared defensive positions guarded by artillery!
-The AI.
organ guns are so good
We need an option to toggle 'artillery and ranged units' to stay the fuck in place. I.e. shoot at the assigned target IF you can, don't just start charging forward up hill!
(Skaven Legend angered by Dwarf stubbornness.)
"Organ" guns. Giggity.
Compared to the Volleygun, the Organ gun just never impressed me and I stuck with cannons and flame cannons instead.
Randomly reforming units is one of the most annoying things. It just doesn't make any sense.
how are the thunderers not obstructed by the ironbreakers? Like they shoot above their heads in an angle?
has CA ever said anything about how artillery, especially organ guns and cannons love to only target the very ends of unit formations? like instea dof shooting the middle of the unit they will hit like 2 guys on the far-left side. its so stupid looking and makes no sense and makes them do less damage. its insane they havent fixed that yet.
I never thought the organ guns can be so powerful
This makes me to do another dwarf campaign even though I know they would be recruited almost after I already conquered most of the badlands
They are really strong when used correctly, given runes and supported by well equiped engi.
Had organ gun with 1200 in damage stat.
Organ guns don’t seem to be a direct upgrade to cannons, but they do seriously buff the close to medium range killing power. Their range is shorter and I’ve heard they’re easier to obstruct, but you can’t really beat 4 shots per volley. Even one unit of them can seriously increase your killing power.
Hey Legend. If you stick the artillery units in defensive mode will they still move when given an attack order?
Legend of Total War viewers after watching the same exact battle situation for the 91th time
one more grudge struck from the great book of grudges.
however, that campaing performance is a grudgin.
Why oh why are the Dawi and Skaven my favorites? Oh thats right massive amounts of firearms and artillery!
Maybe I should give Vampire Coast a proper go.
You will enjoy Queen Bess. She is the indisputable queen of massive artillery.
Vampire Coast are so much fun, especially the Dreadfleet. I highly recommend the 'Active Oceans' mod which adds trade fleets (essentially armies) that go between various port towns for you to attack and plunder.
You and I follow the same battle philosophy my friend. That being “god fights on the side with the best artillery”.
If a game gives me a lot of good artillery and maybe some good fortification options, you can be god damned sure that I’ll turn my section of the battlefield into an absolute death trap made of iron, concrete and gunpowder.
That infantry got lettuced btw, not shredded :D
Sweet
That army is expensive though, over 7k! I feel l like a bunch of cheaper cannon fodder could do just as well at that price.
Though generally speaking your correct that is the common modus operandi of a dwarfen army, there are some other options avaliable. Such as , I had to fight clan eshin yesterday so I built a slayer/ gyro army. the skaven didnt know what to do I surrounded their army with slayers whilst whirring around their weapons team they sat in the middle of the map facing every direction was an easy win. total opposite of corner camping 😁 the skaven weapons team didnt know where to face or who to shoot i crushed them.
8:00 "Good shields and good armor" yeah that juicy bronze 30% block shields.
Dawi have good armor, pretty much useless stat but Dawi do not have good shields!
the game is riddled with AP units though
@AllPresidentsAreBastards i‘d say it’s more like the game overvalues armor and therefore sends a lot of ai Armies against high armor aswell as Army loss is harder when those units die anyway.
@AllPresidentsAreBastards yeah, there is no rolls in armor, yes-yes
@AllPresidentsAreBastards most late game missile units have almost entirely AP damage. They might have something like 20-25% non-AP. Blocking 20-25% from high DPS missile units like shades is great and all, but it isn’t actually that useful. Gold shields block 70%. Bronze shields, which for some ridiculous reason iron breakers have, only block 30%. Having a good shield is much more important than having good armor. It’s not “parroting what legend says” lmao, it’s just looking at the numbers.
@AllPresidentsAreBastards welcome to the echo chamber. I agree, armour isn't as useless as people like to claim. Say there's a unit with 15 ap damage but 20 standard, lot of people ignore that 20 standard damage. 15 whole damage not blocked by armour??? Armour useless!!!
A 20 armour wizard with 40 defence dies a hell of a lot quicker that a hero/lord with 120 armour and 40 defence.
Play those Organ guns music.
Does the AI react differently to corner camping in Warhammer 3?
I normally use checkerboard with the organ guns in the second row in the middle, same principle, through feels safer for the organ guns
If units stay in front of the organ guns they can do massive friendly fire, especially when you play without pause and can not watch over them all the time.
@@Charlys787 that's why checkerboard with second row, no units in front of the organ guns
@@Charlys787 the guy already explained that's why he uses checkerboard formation, but I would add that if you use terrain properly and target at the right distance they don't do friendly fire at all.
Like, just don't let them try to shoot directly at the enemy infantry engaging yours, target the units that are far from your formation and they will arc their shots pretty well.
Classic Checkerboard has no gabs, its a shifted line, so there are units in front. Even with some space between, when the enemy approaches the firing arc gets so flat you risk your units.
Why dwarves are so short?
To be shorter than the enemy and not kill the frontline with friendly fire.
Iron breakers should have silver shields.
Organ Funs
That artillery "repositioning" bug has actually been around since Medieval 2 total war.
why they cant just add a button "lock on place" tos olve that.
dawi ftw
dwarfs are the closest thing to automated gameplay lol
2:10 organ guns get obstructed easily BECAUSE DWARFS ARE TOO SHORT!!!!
seriously though.. as vampire counts with dwarfs and human vassal, i got dwarf cannons and empire cannons, dwarf cannons tend to be more obstructed than empire cannons 😂
Guy have 1100 oath gold, he need to get the tankards so lords have healing in place.
30 seconds McCree, where is everyone include McCree actor
I dunno... i feel like corner camping shouldnt be allowed in higher difficulties... especially in Legendary. But I have no idea how to solve it...
A simple way I think would be to apply a penalty (to morale possibly, for departing the field) the longer you spend outside of the map borders, with a second, hard, border behind that.
I dont See the Problem Here XD - I won worden Battles (but to bei fair I used Pause to use my gunshots Most effiziently...)
3:02 How would you employ the trollhammer torpedoes in ideal conditions? Was it the enemy forces or the terrain that hobbled their usefulness?
Personally, I put them more towards the center; as close as possible to the killzone without obstructing the organ guns. Since their shots arc, they can be close behind iron breakers without being obstructed themselves. Most of the time, the enemy will have monsters or mounted lords/heroes that will gun it for your lords and heroes in the killzone. Had the trollhammers been set up near the killzone, they could have demolished those mounted lords much faster than the organ guns did.
How does he do the setup in the beginning (~2:20 ) where he sees where the unit will go even if he has clicked on another unit ? What is the hotkey for that
I know this is late, but I will answer. Press and hold space bar to see that.