A counter to your ambush rant at the end. Thanes have a skill that increases ambush defense by 10, and runesmiths have one that increases ambush defense by 20. Every Dwarf lord except Grombrindal has the ability to get 30 ambush defense as well. Combined with stances (underway and encamp) some traits, plus the tech it's almost impossible to ambush a dwarf army with leveled up heroes. I didn't see the skill tree on all 5 of his thanes, but I'd imagine he has at least 50% ambush defense chance in normal army stance even skipping over the tech.
Yeah, generally speaking while you can get a ton of ambush success chance as skaven, dwarves have a lot of ambush defense chance. But if an ambush did happen, it would be a potential problem, as ambush success chance and then ambush defense chance directly fight each other. So if both are at 100%, then the ambush success chance depends on the terrain on map. Otherwise it'd depend on who's got more surplus on their chance. At least based on what I'm currently aware of. But even a 9.5 is not really gonna see any problems in the campaign.
"The only true way to beat Dwarves, make sure you stay far away while you rain arrows down on them! They are dangerous across SHORT distances..." -Likely a cowardly Elgi somewhere, running away like always... 😒
"Mighty Grombrindal, we have soundly crushed the treacherous Elgi!" "Excellent! Any losses?" "Aye, two of our irondrakes have perished." "WHAT!? Ugh, that's going in the book!"
Impressive early game doom stack. To make one exactly like this it will take 45 turns to get the grudge settlers, but you could make a similar one probably by turn 30.
I'd like to see a series on crap stacks, like the better ones how practical and powerful they are, i guess I'm not the only one that wants to see this and i hope you could make this happen
Didn't see it mentioned in the comments but Thanes have a skill that gives 10% ambush defence to the hero's army, so the ambush weakness of this army is heavily reduced
I actually got ambushed by 4 vampires doomstack and still win with this army. You just need to split like you’re playing Terran in StarCraft and use the unit that’s not pinned to melt vampires units blobbing around some of your units. My version have a lot more grudge settler irondrakes tho. The thing about having only 28 units is that enemies infantry will almost always form a blob when engaging in melee with irondrakes and unlike weapons team, irondrakes have a lot of armor and melee defense they can actually hold the lines very long. The damage output is also very high even when half your army is pinned and you are still able to wipe the first army and setup before second army comes in.
this is a pretty similar map to when we last saw an irondrake doomstack way back when, what a coincidence loved watching the dragons get nuked out of the sky back then
@@mackenzieobrien7579 They just got reworked in ToD. Back when the WH2 version was made, the master engineers range improvement could stack so they ended up with 200 range and just insta deleted everything. All of the range improvement skills were changed shortly after to not stack with themselves.
Dwarves just really be eating good with army variety after ToD. This is also the third iteration of a trollhammer doomstack, I can't think of any other unit that has even had two show up on this channel.
Grudge Settler fire weakness debuff + Irondrake Trollhammers + large Tree unit enemy = 11/10 , but that's just one of the wood loving avelorn units , the rest are just pointy ears.
Nah, faced a couple armies with lots of air units, they get completely wiped easily by the torpedoes, in any case I had much more trouble with skaven armies due to their magic and artillery, also their crap infantry that simply have too many units to wipe out fast enough
wouldn't it have been better to trade some of the thanes for more engineers? you'd have less line holding power but you'd still have plenty of ammunition and more killing power and speed
Torpedoes are big and heavy objects, but somehow dwarfs can carry already a lot of them casually. Then there are a bunch of thanes that somehow enable dwarfs to carry three times more. Somehow people question the strength of dwarfs 😂
Lore wise, dwarves are unbelievably strong. The gotrek and felix novels that feature other dwarves shows this, even side character dwarves are terrifying.
And then imagine how much ammo an engineer type of support can carry, if they can replenish dreadquake mortars, steam tanks, queen bess and other huge caliber from being on-foot.
Damn. I have always overlooked the troll hammers thinking they filled the role of anti large specialist and another gunner that needed direct line of sight. Had no idea they could delete regular infantry and arc their shots like bows
Couldnt Eltharion theoretically hold out longer than the dwarves? The Restock ability has limited uses, but Eltharion gets an ammo regen buff that as far as I know is unlimited.
Whenever I try this the enemy army just passes on by my heroes and heads straight for the trollhammers. How do you pin the enemy army with just Thanes and Grom? Does anyone know?
Really enjoying these doomstack videos. Data nerd here. Is there a possibility you can make like a spreadsheet of the top 10 doomstacks based on your rating? Would be really fun data wise to see if there is a pattern of some sorts.
@@Ron_Jambo_ The problem is it's like trying to be a firefighter in an inferno. You can block 1 day's bots, then those accounts likely vanish the same/next day and are replaced by a brand new 3-4 posting on this channel, and repeat indefinitely as the only way to stop it is for TH-cam to insta-ban any account trying to use those profile pictures.
How do you move as formation without grouping? Also that rotate and stuff. Id love a video on that. Makes checkerboards and the like a lot cooler to use in my opinion.
@@12SickOne34 I just got this notification. Thanks! I forgot i even asked so seeing this was a boost to my day. Im doin a tomb kings campaign rn and will make heavy use of this.
I run a similar army but I swap 1 or 2 thanes for runesmiths to increase damage 10% and 10 armor also reduce enemy missile resist 20% you also give yourself an extra 20 magic resist for any random spell they throw at you.
Or a Chaos Knights of Slaanesh Lances (80 charge bonus now) + Fiends (16 models + Strider now) , fiends to tie up enemy, knights to +160 charge bonus flank. (not tested , just 5.1 relevant unit changes), would test in campaign, but vassal income are currently bugged so paused my nkari run. (love Strider addition on all the units though, makes running through high elf forests and hills a lot less annoying and taxing on fatigue/speed)
Hey, I was wondering if and when you're moving your units you can cite the keybinds / methods you use to position your army. I spend a bit of my time selecting and positioning single unit groups and would love a quick explanation! Ty
Feel like this army would get overwhelmed by a lot of cavalry, sometimes warzag build savage orc cavalry armies that might give this army a run for its money.
Making this army with grapeshot cannons instead of grudge settlers also instead of thanes putting more trollhammers and couple more engies actually makes it much more powerful. You need to start as malakai then get grombrindal tho, so it takes abit longer to pull off
The Dawi said enough is enough with the short jokes and now their anger erupts across the battlefield. Every single one of their doomstacks seem to do very, very good.
He needs to swap a couple Thane's for Engineers to boost speed on the troll hammers. That said I use a similar stack and love it, it is not invincible but it is a lot of fun.
I don’t see any reason they really need more speed. Thanes apply flammable, give a bunch of ammo, are a lot better at tanking, and provide ambush defense chance.
@@Loj84 I still have a similar build, just with 3 engineers and 3 Thanes but my guys move faster so we can reposition against Calvary heavy army's plus I have more smoke bombs, but to each their own as this does the tar pit a bit better.
I thought the ranged damage buff on engineers for the whole army stacks, so if he added at least one more engineer you could pump up those damage numbers even higher.
"Let's see how it actually performs on the battlefield" *looks at the video duration* yeah I think they'll do all right
The trollhammers might be needed in the comments here. Lots of slanesh demons here
A counter to your ambush rant at the end. Thanes have a skill that increases ambush defense by 10, and runesmiths have one that increases ambush defense by 20. Every Dwarf lord except Grombrindal has the ability to get 30 ambush defense as well. Combined with stances (underway and encamp) some traits, plus the tech it's almost impossible to ambush a dwarf army with leveled up heroes. I didn't see the skill tree on all 5 of his thanes, but I'd imagine he has at least 50% ambush defense chance in normal army stance even skipping over the tech.
Yeah, generally speaking while you can get a ton of ambush success chance as skaven, dwarves have a lot of ambush defense chance. But if an ambush did happen, it would be a potential problem, as ambush success chance and then ambush defense chance directly fight each other. So if both are at 100%, then the ambush success chance depends on the terrain on map. Otherwise it'd depend on who's got more surplus on their chance. At least based on what I'm currently aware of. But even a 9.5 is not really gonna see any problems in the campaign.
"The only true way to beat Dwarves, make sure you stay far away while you rain arrows down on them! They are dangerous across SHORT distances..."
-Likely a cowardly Elgi somewhere, running away like always... 😒
SHORT?!
Dwarves will turn 127, and make one of the following their ENTIRE personality;
Mining
Booze
Smithing
Hating Elves
SHOOOORTTTT??? IS GOING IN THE BOOOOOOKKKK
That doomstack handled business so fast that Legend had to pad the run time with a lot of analysis
"Mighty Grombrindal, we have soundly crushed the treacherous Elgi!"
"Excellent! Any losses?"
"Aye, two of our irondrakes have perished."
"WHAT!? Ugh, that's going in the book!"
Welp, gonna steal that on my next Dwarf campaign now. Those boys pushed those knife ears' shit in.
Impressive early game doom stack. To make one exactly like this it will take 45 turns to get the grudge settlers, but you could make a similar one probably by turn 30.
I'd like to see a series on crap stacks, like the better ones how practical and powerful they are, i guess I'm not the only one that wants to see this and i hope you could make this happen
Someone should send this to Zerkovich
Didn't see it mentioned in the comments but Thanes have a skill that gives 10% ambush defence to the hero's army, so the ambush weakness of this army is heavily reduced
Oh eternal God Emperor. Protect us from the temptations of the Slaaneshi bots
I love the smell of grudges settled in the morning
Slanesshi Bot Doomstack when?
I actually got ambushed by 4 vampires doomstack and still win with this army. You just need to split like you’re playing Terran in StarCraft and use the unit that’s not pinned to melt vampires units blobbing around some of your units. My version have a lot more grudge settler irondrakes tho. The thing about having only 28 units is that enemies infantry will almost always form a blob when engaging in melee with irondrakes and unlike weapons team, irondrakes have a lot of armor and melee defense they can actually hold the lines very long. The damage output is also very high even when half your army is pinned and you are still able to wipe the first army and setup before second army comes in.
this is a pretty similar map to when we last saw an irondrake doomstack way back when, what a coincidence
loved watching the dragons get nuked out of the sky back then
One of the first WH2 doomstacks on this channel as a whole, I believe. Fun times
Are they different since then?
@@mackenzieobrien7579 They just got reworked in ToD. Back when the WH2 version was made, the master engineers range improvement could stack so they ended up with 200 range and just insta deleted everything. All of the range improvement skills were changed shortly after to not stack with themselves.
they also used to work like semi mortars and fire big cannonballs that explode instead of more straightline bullets like they do now
@@Nightmare_52 I do think they still have explosive damage, but the bullets definitely look less impactful visually in WH3
Dwarves just really be eating good with army variety after ToD. This is also the third iteration of a trollhammer doomstack, I can't think of any other unit that has even had two show up on this channel.
Well thats certainly not going in the book
* wipes over grudge against Alarielle *
@@ilari90 Looking at Alarielle with 5 million bullet holes "Well I guess this one don't need a grudgin' anymore"
Yeah, I'd say this army performed well.
That ought to be more than a few grudges stricken from the book.
THANES AREN'T SHORT!... They're just compact!
Fun sized!
Even a couple troll hammers are just plain fun to use. Feel nice and punchy, super satisfying to see a single entity get wrecked by them
I just found my second wh3 campaign! Thanks Legend !
Warhammer Fantasy vs Warhammer 40,000
Careful, this is a fun missile doom stack, CA will probably nerf it!
Grudge Settler fire weakness debuff + Irondrake Trollhammers + large Tree unit enemy = 11/10 , but that's just one of the wood loving avelorn units , the rest are just pointy ears.
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" - Admiral Generic Lord, probably
I think this can be overwhelmed with multiple flying units. Like endgame vampires with their billions of terrorgheists.
Nah, faced a couple armies with lots of air units, they get completely wiped easily by the torpedoes, in any case I had much more trouble with skaven armies due to their magic and artillery, also their crap infantry that simply have too many units to wipe out fast enough
That was a short battle.
SHORT?!
I guess I will play Dwarf once in Warhammer 3 as well.
*grabs the BBQ sauce for all manner of beasties
Something something no views, ten seconds... eh, you know the drill...
Need to try this out fast before fun police gonna nerf it.
Too many dwarves died for just 3 thousand of elgi cowards
You missed each of the Thanes can provide 10% ambush defense stance. So with the tech you can reach 70% base ambush defense chance.
That new computer really helps. Was so fast and smooth!
nope, this was the old computer. I don't have the new one yet
This is why I never do the dwarf end game crisis.
A very precise thumbnail
DAMN! that dawi firepower is always a pleasure to see!
IT’S ANOTHER ELGI SCHEME!!
'Just something of a minor checkerboard formation' (2:09)
Got it? Because they are small.
3:22 THATS GOING IN THE BOOK
SHORT?! NO ALLIANCE!
Calling the phoenix a fire chicken is foul.
Oh it's fowl alright
wouldn't it have been better to trade some of the thanes for more engineers? you'd have less line holding power but you'd still have plenty of ammunition and more killing power and speed
Torpedoes are big and heavy objects, but somehow dwarfs can carry already a lot of them casually. Then there are a bunch of thanes that somehow enable dwarfs to carry three times more. Somehow people question the strength of dwarfs 😂
Lore wise, dwarves are unbelievably strong. The gotrek and felix novels that feature other dwarves shows this, even side character dwarves are terrifying.
And then imagine how much ammo an engineer type of support can carry, if they can replenish dreadquake mortars, steam tanks, queen bess and other huge caliber from being on-foot.
@@Tom_Cruise_Missile dwarves are basically S-word CLEVER CLEVER ogrins. with some marines traits.
Damn. I have always overlooked the troll hammers thinking they filled the role of anti large specialist and another gunner that needed direct line of sight. Had no idea they could delete regular infantry and arc their shots like bows
Couldnt Eltharion theoretically hold out longer than the dwarves? The Restock ability has limited uses, but Eltharion gets an ammo regen buff that as far as I know is unlimited.
Whenever I try this the enemy army just passes on by my heroes and heads straight for the trollhammers. How do you pin the enemy army with just Thanes and Grom? Does anyone know?
Really enjoying these doomstack videos. Data nerd here. Is there a possibility you can make like a spreadsheet of the top 10 doomstacks based on your rating? Would be really fun data wise to see if there is a pattern of some sorts.
2 casualties....
UNACCEPTABLE!
You got alot of spam bots in your comments
He could fix it easily by blocking them but I've never seen a youtuber willing to do 3 clicks without being paid for it so bots will stay I guess
@@Ron_Jambo_ i've never seen a youtuber personally pulling people into a vc and giving away 2000 dollars worth of dlc but oh well.
@@Ron_Jambo_ The problem is it's like trying to be a firefighter in an inferno. You can block 1 day's bots, then those accounts likely vanish the same/next day and are replaced by a brand new 3-4 posting on this channel, and repeat indefinitely as the only way to stop it is for TH-cam to insta-ban any account trying to use those profile pictures.
Did he have the legendary grudge settler enchanted item attached that grants extra range for the army it’s attached too?
Ooof your content make chats pee pee go boing boing boing
Doesn't matter if units are t3 you aren't gonna have 5 leveled thanes until late game.
Thanes and Runesmiths give ambush def chance as well, so I doubt this army can be ambushed
133 videos on this playlist and not a single dark elf stack :/
Heavy artillery could be a pain for these guys as well
Damm since when are trollhammers so long ranged and fastshooting?
How do you move as formation without grouping? Also that rotate and stuff. Id love a video on that. Makes checkerboards and the like a lot cooler to use in my opinion.
Highlight them, hold alt, and click drag to move them
have you tried using the ctrl and alt keys while dragging your troops around?
@@12SickOne34 I just got this notification. Thanks! I forgot i even asked so seeing this was a boost to my day. Im doin a tomb kings campaign rn and will make heavy use of this.
How do you counter such a doomstack as Elves?
гномы железные ящеры чертовски сильны. я по квесту малакая разбил армию возвышенных сланешитов с 0 потерями. Thank you
A throwback to the warhammer 2 troll hammer stack.
SHORT
I run a similar army but I swap 1 or 2 thanes for runesmiths to increase damage 10% and 10 armor also reduce enemy missile resist 20% you also give yourself an extra 20 magic resist for any random spell they throw at you.
Surprised it wasn't a boltthrower doomstack
Or a Chaos Knights of Slaanesh Lances (80 charge bonus now) + Fiends (16 models + Strider now) , fiends to tie up enemy, knights to +160 charge bonus flank. (not tested , just 5.1 relevant unit changes), would test in campaign, but vassal income are currently bugged so paused my nkari run. (love Strider addition on all the units though, makes running through high elf forests and hills a lot less annoying and taxing on fatigue/speed)
So what is the best dwarf ranged?
Hey, I was wondering if and when you're moving your units you can cite the keybinds / methods you use to position your army. I spend a bit of my time selecting and positioning single unit groups and would love a quick explanation! Ty
"It's actually good to be short in this situation, so you don't shoot your own troops."
SHORT?!?!?!?!?
Nothing like dead elves
for dwarfs enthusiasts:do you think that thunderbadge doomstack is still viable(after nerf)?what are you opinions about gyrobombers?
Reminds of the pre-nerf waywatchers doomstack.
Not the fire chicken :(
the only thing i could see this being really weak to would be massed artillery
3000 Elves dead, TWO Dwarves....... I see a grudge coming :( lol
Feel like this army would get overwhelmed by a lot of cavalry, sometimes warzag build savage orc cavalry armies that might give this army a run for its money.
I want to see this army against more artillery, like Chaos Dwarfs, Skaven, Empire. Can lose a lot while moving into range.
Making this army with grapeshot cannons instead of grudge settlers also instead of thanes putting more trollhammers and couple more engies actually makes it much more powerful. You need to start as malakai then get grombrindal tho, so it takes abit longer to pull off
The Dawi said enough is enough with the short jokes and now their anger erupts across the battlefield. Every single one of their doomstacks seem to do very, very good.
This doomstack becomes 4/10 because of a nerf in 3...2....1
Skarsnik and a bunch of nasty skulkers would maybe give this atack trouble.
He needs to swap a couple Thane's for Engineers to boost speed on the troll hammers. That said I use a similar stack and love it, it is not invincible but it is a lot of fun.
I don’t see any reason they really need more speed. Thanes apply flammable, give a bunch of ammo, are a lot better at tanking, and provide ambush defense chance.
@@Loj84 I still have a similar build, just with 3 engineers and 3 Thanes but my guys move faster so we can reposition against Calvary heavy army's plus I have more smoke bombs, but to each their own as this does the tar pit a bit better.
I thought the ranged damage buff on engineers for the whole army stacks, so if he added at least one more engineer you could pump up those damage numbers even higher.
short?
I think you forgot the extra ammo on the engineer as well and the thanes have flammable attacks
SHORT!?
meanwhile sister of avelorn recruited at tier 4 building got limited ammo
The thanes also have flammable attacks
Handmaidens of Avelorn should have access to restock
Beautiful
that's one of your grudges removed from the book for this glorious battle
Not sure how it would work, but I'd love to see some Doomstack vs Doomstack coverage.
So anyway I started blasting
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There’s a mod that doubles the range of troll hammer torpedos and it’s absolute bliss
I remember when legend was scared when he played a Western empire save
I did the same concept and burned down Ulthwan!
The talking takes moer times than battle itself. Yeah thats pass the test i guess?
That phoenix was reduced to hot wings in a matter of seconds
Sieges aren't as bad anymore, units get range bonus and missile block when docked on walls now, even when facing inward, if you let them come to you.
Would it win against Tunderbardge ?
Those Irondrakes sure fried that chicken good