Nice. Richard Mumford has a cool video of testing the CT Roll n Lock and it’s pretty incredible. He puts that device through so much and it holds up. Makes me believe it’ll never ever cut completely through that OpLux when used in this application.
Climbing Technology makes top notch equipment, I have a couple foot ascenders from them for when I climbed trees but one thing Im not sure I like is (if Im seeing it right) is what if you get something against the lever and it flips and turns into a pulley, that would suck!
It's an awesome rope... so light it's crazy... and I really like the CT rollnlock...I have an extra I will be carrying because they can be used as a pulley also.
New saddle safety feature for me is no rope man on my tether. Going under bridge with bow release arm can release the rope man if snagged on clothes in my experience. Going back to Prussic.
Any oval carabiner will work, I have a kong which worked well but I switched it to a triple lock, but not sure if I will keep it, it's hard to operate sometimes with one hand.
Ben, it's like a medical tape in camo, I'll see if I can find where I purchased it from. Works well last about a season and then u have to re-do it. I have done a couple with Stealth Strips that stuff stays on for years.
I now have 2 Oplux. They r awesome. 1 on my saddle, the other 1 is my tether. I run the tether through the loop twice & it holds great. U might need 2 start slipping in some subliminal Joker pics into your videos like RF😜
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors I'm kicking that 60 Day Warnings ASS! I have a climbing rope going up my huge 🍁 🌳. It is actually 2 - 75' 🌳 in 1. My new WEI Perch is on the south side 🌳 which I step over onto & put my Oplux tether on to shoot off the Perch. Tomorrow I will put a Muddy treestand on the other 75' 🍁 🌳 which is the 1 my Predator climbing rope is attached to so I don't need a tether for that. I will just leave the climbing rope attached. My 2 SEVR Broadhead targets r stacked & just inside the shed west of me like 30-40 yards away. I am shooting target arrows for now. RF would be happy to know I just placed a Valkyrie order for the whole ball with wax & a grinder wheel kit 😜!
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors If u can get a WEI Stepp or Perch to hold tight then u know what u r doing. Both maple & poplar 🌳 r not very accommodating to the WEI process.
I can’t stand the triple auto lock carabiners. I have one and never use it. Good set up Mark, but the Prusik backup looks like it may be a hassle, albeit safer. Once you’re doing that, you have to wonder if it’s easier to just use the Prusik. I have a Kong duck on the way, but that has the same issues.
I’ll play with it throughout the season and see how it works ... if I find that it’s causing issues may change it up ... that’s what’s fun about experimenting with different set up... I ordered Kong’s also but I think they r stuck in a port somewhere
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors I'm sorry, your wrong. It is only to keep you from falling back. Put a girth hitch around the tree. Every year I see people in the ER were I work that fall because of stuff like this. The worse was because he was using tree pegs (bolts) piercing his ribcage and nearly dyeing. Watching people and listening to people on the saddle hunting forum really get under my skin. And NO! This hopefully won't happen to everyone, but it's the ones that it does. Be safe and have a successful hunting season. God bless Please watch this. th-cam.com/video/CvIip6qOAls/w-d-xo.html
There are other places to get it, but I did purchase it from Wild Edge, here is a link for u. www.wildedgeinc.com/store/p50/8mm_Tactical_Saddle_Line.html
Mark, I have this exact setup with the oplux and the CT. I would like to add the short safety prusik backup, what rope would you recommend for this, and where could I order shorter lengths like this? Thanks
Sheldon I used some of the prusik materials from other saddles that I had purchased. I will let u know that I have removed one of them and am continuing to play with it. I seems to get in the way a lot as I continued to use it.. so the one I removed I ended up tying a loop in the end of the rope and sliding that loop into the carabiner and that way if the CT should fail, which I never think will happen, the loop would catch and stop me from falling.
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors The CT rollnlock (20kn) is far superior in rated strength and usability that the Kongduck th-cam.com/video/At3m_DDP2fA/w-d-xo.html
I don’t think it ever will .... like Nico said check out Richard Mumfords testing of the CT Rollnlock... on the one test I think the rope broke at over 6,900lbs and the CT was fine ... freakin amazing ...
Hey Mark I just found your channel. I just started saddle hunting. I watched your videos and did my homework. I bought the beast sticks and being I only live 100 miles from Cookeville tennessee where cruzr saddles are made.i went there and tried the xc and I loved it and bought it. On this video I liked where you made a extension to your caribener from your prussit knot for safety. Is there a video on you doing this. Thanx alot for your videos. The best.
Just want to say ,I enjoy your videos. OK , I get where you are coming from..but. Your Sterling oplux rope is rated for @5000 LB and the CT rolnlock is rated for 20 kn @5000 also. When they tested the rollnlock to break point it pulled the outer sheath off the rope at 7.5kn @1400LB (inside rope didn't break and rollinnlock not damaged). The sheath simply backs up to the knot and must break again. So simply having the knot at the end of rope is enough for saddle hunting and no need for prusik. What do you think?
I agree, I have actually removed it from my linemans rope it was getting in the way with all the adjusting i do going up the tree, I did keep it on the tether since that is set it and forget it...
Most likely will saddle hunt next year. Like the videos. So you back up on your lineman’s belt. Did you make that small rope and if so what knots did you use to secure to carabiner and prusik knot?
As you, M Dohring, say in the description (sort of), RollNLocks should be used as an ascender device NOT as a line/lanyard tender. Climbing Technology, who designs & manufactures RollNLock, specifically warns against using it in the way you are planning because of the real likely-hood of the loose end of the "lanyard" flipping over the line enough to 'unlocking' the cam. It doesn't take very much force, as CT explains and I have demonstrated to myself. Yes, you have a prusik back up, but why is it so slack? If the cam unlocks, you will drop in an unpredictable way for an unpredictable distance before the lanyard catches on something and/or all the slack is gone and the prusik stops the fall. I have no idea what might happen to your head (Helmeted, I hope) during such a drop, I for one would not risk it myself so I will continue using more tested and reliable adjustable lanyard constructions.
Ropeman is rated for 15kn/3,372lbs and is rated for extended use. CT is only rated for 4kn/899lbs in rope clamp configuration which is how you would be using it as a fall restraint. Either one is a very safe option, Might want to read up www.climbingtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/instruction-manual-rollnlock.pdf
I think his backup is for house personal high amount of caution. I liked his setup, so I mimicked it, but I don't have the backup. I don't have the math immediately on me, but estimating shock fall off 1m wasn't enough to too cause a failure in the system. All about personal preference in this case, but I believe you are right Jackson. The CT alone would be safe enough in this use. I'm not a pro though, do I'm happy if people correct me with documentation.
That rope is 8.5 feet long .. got it off the Wild Edge site .. if u want to look at all the info here is a link.. www.wildedgeinc.com/store/p50/8mm_Tactical_Saddle_Line.html#/
Im switching to oplux rope have one on the way. Im going to try using a prusik tender this year. I used a ropeman on my linesman rope last year. Are you using oplux as a tether as well
do not use that that has a pully feature on it if the rope gets caught on the other side it will go straight to pully mode all by its self i promise it has happen to me if you need to use one like that use the ropeman 1 or the Kong duck that knot will pull through that devise if it sticks in pully mode
If you use rope on rope to join your Prusik knot to a single rope you will loose around 40% of the strength of the rope. Consider using a Blake's Hitch that way you avoid the rope on rope connection see: th-cam.com/video/NDjCFjw8tFg/w-d-xo.html rupert.id.au/srt/images/023.png
It's nice to just go in the back and shoot a video... also if I need a tree with a lean it's up for challenge. It's good early in the year but once the sap starts moving I'm done with it...
wild country ropeman 1 is better and only 40 bucks it is a good piece of gear but is not a true pulley and is had to unlock when loaded and have never seen anyone put a biner through it but guess it would be ok used in the way you are using it
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors Remember RF has the wizard, maybe a warlock, a badass friend from Louisiana that shoots big hogs & possibly the ghost of The Joker on his side. Did I forget to mention Dr. Ashby, lol 😆
Your Prusik backup is genius
I like your setup there man ... I've had the Rollnlock for a while now and haven't used it much. Thanks!
Nice. Richard Mumford has a cool video of testing the CT Roll n Lock and it’s pretty incredible. He puts that device through so much and it holds up. Makes me believe it’ll never ever cut completely through that OpLux when used in this application.
I completely agree with u... that CT is amazing and I like that it has a dual purpose can be a pulley also ... amazing device.
John from Mankato Minnesota just found your channel and enjoy it thanks also your back up is great.
Climbing Technology makes top notch equipment, I have a couple foot ascenders from them for when I climbed trees but one thing Im not sure I like is (if Im seeing it right) is what if you get something against the lever and it flips and turns into a pulley, that would suck!
U have to pull up also to get it into the pulley setup, so I think it’s very unlikely, however I guess anything could happen.
Nice set up. I’ll have to look into that rope and rope lock.
It's an awesome rope... so light it's crazy... and I really like the CT rollnlock...I have an extra I will be carrying because they can be used as a pulley also.
I've got 2 of the Tetherd 8mm tethers. They don't seem anywhere as small, or as pliable as the oplux I am seeing
New saddle safety feature for me is no rope man on my tether. Going under bridge with bow release arm can release the rope man if snagged on clothes in my experience. Going back to Prussic.
That’s an awesome point as a safety issue.. thanks for bring that up.. I have not experienced that but it is definitely something to watch for...
Where'd you get the rope for the Prusik back up with the double ended sewn eyes? Thanks
All good stuff..
Safety 1st!!!
Oh btw ..pine Pitch can be removed by
Goof off paste of GooGone
Thank u for that suggestion and thanks for wstching
Pine pitch is easy to remove! It's a two step process. 1. Use any cooking oil to easily remove the pitch. 2. Use soap to remove the oil.
To remove pitch use any oil, like a skin so soft or even mayonnaise. Just massage it in and it will break it down.
thank u for the suggestion will have to try that.
What carabiner do you use. This won’t fit the carabiner that comes standard on my Cruzr XC saddle. Thanks 👍🏻
Any oval carabiner will work, I have a kong which worked well but I switched it to a triple lock, but not sure if I will keep it, it's hard to operate sometimes with one hand.
Great instructional video! Subscribed
Awesome. Thank you
What did you wrap your carabiner with?
Ben, it's like a medical tape in camo, I'll see if I can find where I purchased it from. Works well last about a season and then u have to re-do it. I have done a couple with Stealth Strips that stuff stays on for years.
Top vid. Is the prussik going to be safer slightly shorter though?
I now have 2 Oplux. They r awesome. 1 on my saddle, the other 1 is my tether. I run the tether through the loop twice & it holds great. U might need 2 start slipping in some subliminal Joker pics into your videos like RF😜
I might just have to do that and I will probably be putting my tether through the loop twice...I hate when any rope slides down the tree...
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors I'm kicking that 60 Day Warnings ASS! I have a climbing rope going up my huge 🍁 🌳. It is actually 2 - 75' 🌳 in 1. My new WEI Perch is on the south side 🌳 which I step over onto & put my Oplux tether on to shoot off the Perch. Tomorrow I will put a Muddy treestand on the other 75' 🍁 🌳 which is the 1 my Predator climbing rope is attached to so I don't need a tether for that. I will just leave the climbing rope attached. My 2 SEVR Broadhead targets r stacked & just inside the shed west of me like 30-40 yards away. I am shooting target arrows for now. RF would be happy to know I just placed a Valkyrie order for the whole ball with wax & a grinder wheel kit 😜!
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors If u can get a WEI Stepp or Perch to hold tight then u know what u r doing. Both maple & poplar 🌳 r not very accommodating to the WEI process.
Joseph tread lightly pine and cedar are not really good for them either ... u sink into them
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors I cut down 2 dead spruce that were losing bark & inhibiting my shooting range. Much better now.
I can’t stand the triple auto lock carabiners. I have one and never use it. Good set up Mark, but the Prusik backup looks like it may be a hassle, albeit safer. Once you’re doing that, you have to wonder if it’s easier to just use the Prusik. I have a Kong duck on the way, but that has the same issues.
I’ll play with it throughout the season and see how it works ... if I find that it’s causing issues may change it up ... that’s what’s fun about experimenting with different set up... I ordered Kong’s also but I think they r stuck in a port somewhere
Answer this, if your stick or climbing method kicks out from underneath you, what's going to happen?
I would fall against the tree just as if I were climbing with a safety harness lineman loops ...
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors I'm sorry, your wrong. It is only to keep you from falling back. Put a girth hitch around the tree. Every year I see people in the ER were I work that fall because of stuff like this. The worse was because he was using tree pegs (bolts) piercing his ribcage and nearly dyeing. Watching people and listening to people on the saddle hunting forum really get under my skin.
And NO! This hopefully won't happen to everyone, but it's the ones that it does.
Be safe and have a successful hunting season. God bless
Please watch this.
th-cam.com/video/CvIip6qOAls/w-d-xo.html
Could you send a link to the Oplux lineman’s rope?
There are other places to get it, but I did purchase it from Wild Edge, here is a link for u.
www.wildedgeinc.com/store/p50/8mm_Tactical_Saddle_Line.html
Mark, I have this exact setup with the oplux and the CT. I would like to add the short safety prusik backup, what rope would you recommend for this, and where could I order shorter lengths like this? Thanks
Sheldon I used some of the prusik materials from other saddles that I had purchased. I will let u know that I have removed one of them and am continuing to play with it. I seems to get in the way a lot as I continued to use it.. so the one I removed I ended up tying a loop in the end of the rope and sliding that loop into the carabiner and that way if the CT should fail, which I never think will happen, the loop would catch and stop me from falling.
Nice tape on the biners.
It works well it’s like an ace bandage ... holds really well.
What type of tape is that you’re using on your biners?
Peanut butter takes off pine pitch. Also orange hand cleaner.
awesome thank u I will try that next
Hey Mark, how do you like the CT rollnlock compared to the kong duck?
I haven’t tried it against that yet .. I have 2 on order but I think they are stuck in port somewhere
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors The CT rollnlock (20kn) is far superior in rated strength and usability that the Kongduck th-cam.com/video/At3m_DDP2fA/w-d-xo.html
Olive oil and a little elbow grease works well for pine pitch
Interesting safety backup on the linesmen and always good to be safe. What do you think the chances are that the Rollnlock will break the rope?
Check out Richard Mumfords videos of him testing exactly that.
I don’t think it ever will .... like Nico said check out Richard Mumfords testing of the CT Rollnlock... on the one test I think the rope broke at over 6,900lbs and the CT was fine ... freakin amazing ...
When I was thinking of using it I had watch his testing of the CT it sold me on its safety ....
Hey Mark I just found your channel. I just started saddle hunting. I watched your videos and did my homework. I bought the beast sticks and being I only live 100 miles from Cookeville tennessee where cruzr saddles are made.i went there and tried the xc and I loved it and bought it. On this video I liked where you made a extension to your caribener from your prussit knot for safety. Is there a video on you doing this. Thanx alot for your videos. The best.
Nail polish remover works real well for pine pitch😄
Just want to say ,I enjoy your videos. OK , I get where you are coming from..but. Your Sterling oplux rope is rated for @5000 LB and the CT rolnlock is rated for 20 kn @5000 also. When they tested the rollnlock to break point it pulled the outer sheath off the rope at 7.5kn @1400LB (inside rope didn't break and rollinnlock not damaged). The sheath simply backs up to the knot and must break again. So simply having the knot at the end of rope is enough for saddle hunting and no need for prusik. What do you think?
I agree, I have actually removed it from my linemans rope it was getting in the way with all the adjusting i do going up the tree, I did keep it on the tether since that is set it and forget it...
Most likely will saddle hunt next year. Like the videos.
So you back up on your lineman’s belt. Did you make that small rope and if so what knots did you use to secure to carabiner and prusik knot?
As you, M Dohring, say in the description (sort of), RollNLocks should be used as an ascender device NOT as a line/lanyard tender. Climbing Technology, who designs & manufactures RollNLock, specifically warns against using it in the way you are planning because of the real likely-hood of the loose end of the "lanyard" flipping over the line enough to 'unlocking' the cam. It doesn't take very much force, as CT explains and I have demonstrated to myself. Yes, you have a prusik back up, but why is it so slack? If the cam unlocks, you will drop in an unpredictable way for an unpredictable distance before the lanyard catches on something and/or all the slack is gone and the prusik stops the fall. I have no idea what might happen to your head (Helmeted, I hope) during such a drop, I for one would not risk it myself so I will continue using more tested and reliable adjustable lanyard constructions.
Ropeman is rated for 15kn/3,372lbs and is rated for extended use. CT is only rated for 4kn/899lbs in rope clamp configuration which is how you would be using it as a fall restraint. Either one is a very safe option, Might want to read up www.climbingtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/instruction-manual-rollnlock.pdf
I think his backup is for house personal high amount of caution.
I liked his setup, so I mimicked it, but I don't have the backup. I don't have the math immediately on me, but estimating shock fall off 1m wasn't enough to too cause a failure in the system.
All about personal preference in this case, but I believe you are right Jackson. The CT alone would be safe enough in this use.
I'm not a pro though, do I'm happy if people correct me with documentation.
th-cam.com/video/At3m_DDP2fA/w-d-xo.html this explains it well
Hey Mark! I was wondering if you got your Kong duck yet? If so how do you like it compared to the CT?
I have not .. going to ask the company I ordered them from
Mark Dohring Ok 👍🏽. I have my 8mm rope, now just got to get my locking device.
Hello Mark, I have the same question as the gentleman; have you gotten the Kong yet???? Considering both a Kong and a Rollnlock
Where do you get this??
I just got my 2 roll n locks. Do you use one on your tether? Did you have to switch to oval carabiners? Love the videos!
Yes Oval carabiner a must because of how it attaches .. I really like how smoothly the rope pulls through... and thank u for the kind comment
How long is your lineman's belt?
That rope is 8.5 feet long .. got it off the Wild Edge site .. if u want to look at all the info here is a link..
www.wildedgeinc.com/store/p50/8mm_Tactical_Saddle_Line.html#/
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors Thank you!
Im switching to oplux rope have one on the way. Im going to try using a prusik tender this year. I used a ropeman on my linesman rope last year. Are you using oplux as a tether as well
Yes I have another exact setup in my pouch ...
Gojo hand cleaner or Dawn dish soap works pretty good to get sap off most anything
Cool
do not use that that has a pully feature on it if the rope gets caught on the other side it will go straight to pully mode all by its self i promise it has happen to me if you need to use one like that use the ropeman 1 or the Kong duck that knot will pull through that devise if it sticks in pully mode
I also have a loop at then end as a back up if that should happen it would stop at the carabiner
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors i get it but if you fall literally 2 feet wich i have and smack your face off the tree you will throw that thing in the trash
If you use rope on rope to join your Prusik knot to a single rope you will loose around 40% of the strength of the rope. Consider using a Blake's Hitch that way you avoid the rope on rope connection see: th-cam.com/video/NDjCFjw8tFg/w-d-xo.html rupert.id.au/srt/images/023.png
But that's not a prusik! 🤔
Go jo
orange solve!
You should do all your videos from the park or forest, that tree in your yard is not good.
It's nice to just go in the back and shoot a video... also if I need a tree with a lean it's up for challenge. It's good early in the year but once the sap starts moving I'm done with it...
wild country ropeman 1 is better and only 40 bucks it is a good piece of gear but is not a true pulley and is had to unlock when loaded and have never seen anyone put a biner through it but guess it would be ok used in the way you are using it
Just use a arborist rated setup ..i cannot understand this and these hunters ..doing anything life support..it needs to be ansi and osha ce certified
Rub margarine over it.
Ill have to try that .
U don't want to be on that 60 day deadline😒
I know it’s like he will come and find u... lol
@@MarksWorld-GetOutdoors Remember RF has the wizard, maybe a warlock, a badass friend from Louisiana that shoots big hogs & possibly the ghost of The Joker on his side. Did I forget to mention Dr. Ashby, lol 😆
GoJo Orange Pumic hand cleaner & or bleach
Thanks I will have to try that..
Bro you talk off subject way to much