GX9: Mind. Officially. Blown.
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- This is a sub (just) $1,000 camera with kit lens; a micro four thirds sensor; and it's not sexy. So why does it blow me away (and it does)? It's the small things - and for street photography, when paired with the Leica DG Summilux 15mm f/1.7 it's a compelling alternative to my just-announced best street photography camera/lens combo ever, the Sony a7R III with Sony/Zeiss 35mm f/1.4
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What's new with GX9:
- EM shutter
- no AA filter on sensor
- 5-axis Dual-IS
- triple IS for video (IBIS, OIS, digital crop)
- video IS lock
- L-mono/D
- 4K stacking (light/sequence comp)
- (Compared to GX85) Better sensor and manual controls
If none of these things matter to you, then yes, no reason to switch from GX8/80/85. Also, if mic input/twisty screen are really important to you, you're probably in a different market than the GX9 intended. I think the branding/naming strategy led to a lot of confusion.
There's no AA filter on the GX80/GX85. 👍
Greetings from the UK. You have a wonderful ability to basically hypnotise anyone watching your videos. I'm hooked and have subscribed.
Smiff Welcome!
I moved from GX85 to A7m3. I loved Voigtlaender, I loved Zuiko, I loved Panaleica, I loved the ergo. I was so shocked when I moved from 5dm2 to GX85. I didn't know about how good the mirrorless was. I still misses that shock. A7m3 is good and even it would be the best camera. But it can't match how I felt when I first met GX 85. Thanks for your video. Your video is so insightful.
Just made my mind up I currently have the gx85 and now it’s time for a upgrade
Best form and content I ever saw talking about cameras and photography. EXCELENTE
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I really enjoyed your video! Your intelligence was soothing and well narrated. Thank you for reviewing this. I’m excited to make my purchase soon!
Let me know how it goes! What glass will you use with it?
Hugh I have to say Panasonic is really nailing that middleweight market with gh5, gh9 and now this!!
Longrider Right?
I think you should be on prescription for us with hypertension, Hugh - I just chill completely every time i watch your vids - you could save our NHS tens of millions of £££s a year!!
Andrew farrington I love the UK. Glad to be of service. ;)
Greetings, Hugh! As a Fujifilm X-T3 landscape and product photographer, I am extremely pleased with the image quality I get from this camera, combined with the stellar, sharp Fujinon XF optics. However, I am researching a small, light "travel camera", as I don't want to expose my X-T3 system to the vagaries of landscape photography in a beach/ocean setting. For that very limited, occasional use, I was considering such cameras as the Sony a6300, Canon G1X Mark III, Panasonic Lumix LX100 II, or Sony RX100V. (Though I hesitate to go m4/3 due to my large poster printing needs.) My MAIN criteria are image SHARPNESS and detail retention, and ability to retain such detail when possibly printed to 20x24". Plus, I'd like to keep total budget to below $1000. And, FYI, I'm a 100% stills guy, so don't shoot video. Based on this, which system would you recommend for maximum sharpness/compact form factor? Thank you sir!
Perfect time. I was looking at purchasing a G9 however now i need to wait for the reviews on this interesting option
Daniel Kyr Keep me posted!
Short but sweet intro to this seemingly capable little camera. Affix a Panasonic Leica lens to it and you are on fire, I reckon.
I have been using my GX7 for the past 5 years, love it but wanted a new version with better OIS including for video.
The GX9 is everything I hoped for! So happy with it, I preordered it yesterday :D
Let me know how you like it!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Will do! I know it's going to be perfect for me, because it's basically a perfected GX7. & I LOVE my GX7! But it has a few issues that the GX9 has fixed, can't wait!
It's funny, on the Lumix GX series Facebook group, the majority are GX8 owners & fans & majority are crying about the GX9, saying how bad it is, so much of a down grade from the GX8. & In some ways I can understand. But I never like GX8, because of its size, no built in flash & didn't like the screen articulation.
But the GX9, it's the Perfect upgrade from the GX7 :D
I've had the gx7 since it was launched abd have a love/hate relationship with it. For stills it's great, especially in monochrome. But I use it mainly for vids of me or my duo performing our own songs. It has a beautiful filmic look but the focus breathing or hunting can be a real issue unless i put the lighting up, which kind of ruins the mood.. I've just added a sony zve10 to my budget set-up (i also use the dji pocket 2) and whilst there is no focus problem , i can't reproduce that look i get from the panasonic. On top of that, the menu system on sonys is horrid and the flip out screen is useless and only partly touch sensitive - i had to buy one if those portkeys external monitors to use with it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong in the settings with the gx7. I shoot in a slightly dimly lit room abd only have the pancake 20mm 1.7.. Do you have any tips for me? Maybe I'll grab a used gx9 if I can't find a fix and sell the sony..
The lcd screen for the Gx9 has a higher resolution than the Gx80/85. Does this make it easier to use for stills, without using the EVF? I am considering one of these two cameras for street photography and the Gx9 fits my specs in every way so I'm just curious if you can do street shooting just using the tilt screen and focusing with accuracy. I am tossing up between one of these small Panasonics or investing in a Sony A7III but the Sony screen has low res so I'm assuming it would be difficult to shoot using screen only? FWIW I'm currently using an iphone 7 plus (and previously Leica cameras).
Thank you, thank you, and thank you. G9 my next camera for sure. Love your work.
You realize this "review" is about the GX9 ($1000.00) and not the G9 ($1700.00).
The GX9 is the true successor to the GX7. The GX7 was a great popular good value camera and for many GX7 owners the GX8 was too large, too expensive and it's pull out twist screen is not as well suited to from the hip street shooting as the gx7 tilt screen.
i have the GX85 and LOVE IT! i think i'll go with the GX8 for mic input and flip out screen to couple with my GX85
Steve Rotter Enjoy!
very very nice!!!
do you have limit at 5 minutes recording in 4k??
stabilization is available there??
The Lumix 12-60 is actually a really nice lens, light but well made, nice and sharp. Only 'suffers' when handled alongside the PanaLeica version of the same zoom range, which does indeed feel a step up, as it should for the mighty price difference. Although initially disappointed by the GX9 spec (should have improved over the GX8 in every area) I do see it as a fine camera, truly the follow up to the GX7. But it makes the 'humble' GX85 look very very good for the money. I'm happy with mine.
hello! What power bank can I charge gx9? Can I use power bank output 3 A?
Excellent review. I spoke to Panasonic today and they confirmed to me the sequence composition wo4ks with the gx85. I didn’t ask about monochrome though. Is this not a case?
Thanks Hugh! You are the man
Hello, the video Button on my Gx9 has no pressure Point, is this normal?
Thank you, greetings from Germany ☺️
So I have the GX85. Should I upgrade to the GX9?
does panasonic g9 have sequence composition aswell ?
I have the 15mm f1.7. The shallow depth of field is augmented by its close focus ability. It is my favourite lens.
Gerald Prost mine too!
Entertaining and informative video. The question I can't shake is this, where are the three blind men and the elephant? It's driving me a little nuts. :-)
I love your narration.
So glad you do - thanks for the encouragement!
Did you say the HDMI was clean? I can't find anything in the spec sheet to confirm this so it'd be great to get something official
I'm considering getting this as a second camera to go alongside the G9. When it is available as a body only option.
Oh, and I was wrong and you were right about the size of the 4/3rds sensor being the same as a 110 film neg. I finally got hold of some 110 film and almost but not quite put it on the sensor of my G9- same size. Not sure why I thought the sensor was bigger than the film but there you go.
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I completely agree about not having a body only option. Why would Panasonic think we ALL want another kit lens? Ridiculous!!!!
video is beautifully lit and shot... so sharp...
Peter Hsu Thanks, Peter. We post the gear we use in the section below each video.
Great video. I have GX85, GX9, pl15, pl25 and 35-100 2.8. best best best
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Sweet just bought this with Olympus 17mm f1.8... Killer.
Paul Anderson Enjoy!
What happened to your full review of the Panasonic G9?
Some cameras demand so much thinking I can smell smoke -- the G9 is one. I WILL get it out soon, I promise.
Wish you could have reviewed the ZS200 too.
How plyable are the raw stills in post? I found that with my G85 I can't pull down the brightest highlights at all, but with my GH5 I can. Did you get to test the GX9 raw capabilities?
Christopher Cox Only has it in hand for a few minutes - looking forward to an extended review!
Which lens for the gx9 for portrait pictures is best?
leica 25mm f1.4 or leica 42.5mm f1.2
I have watched many of your videos and appreciate your information and your video style. I wanted to purchase a rangefinder style camera to use for street photography instead of my Olympus M5 Mark II and M1 Mark II. I decided against the Fuji X100V because it has a fixed lens, against the Sony Alpha cameras because of their ergonomics and larger lenses, and against the Fuji XE and Pro because for some reason they just have not interested me, even though I appreciate their design goals and lens system. I decided on the Panasonic GX8 over the other Panasonics, because it has a great electronic viewfinder, 20 MP, in-body image stabilization, a back screen that can flip around and close into the body, an audio in jack, a larger grip, and the shutter button out on the grip instead of up on the body. It does use lenses I already have some of, but that was not a deal maker or breaker for me. Thank you for your videos.
Thank you - and enjoy!
Just sent you some PayPal money. I have done this a few times before. Thank you for your videos and style and inspiration.
What about using the 25mm Leica 1.4 lens with the camera?
Eliel Redstone Absolutely!!!
Your delivery is wonderful! I‘ve had the gx7 for years now and am looking for an upgrade. I just bought a used sony zve10 and apart from the terrible menu, it is a right old struggle to match the creaminess of my 2013 panni that is there almost straight out of the box. Granted, there are some focus issues with them but with a bit of tweaking, it can be worked out, at least with regard to my music videos that I post from time time. So, I think you have just sold me on the gx9 even if you posted this 6 years ago. Sometimes specs do not tell the whole story.Btw, your intonation reminds me of Jeff Goldblum - hope you don‘t mind me saying so..
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Definitely should have had a mic jack and weather sealing.
I HAVE THE GX8 ...LOVE IT
AR 23 enjoy!
Hi, do you recommend this camera for shooting JPEG´s only? Is the L monochrome and the other film silmulation available in JPEG? Thank you.
Gabriela Lamberti the simulations are ALWAY JPEG. I recommend shooting RAW+JPEG when shooting simulations/styles because then you immediately have the shot you imagined SOOC plus the full color, in processed “digital negative” if you change your mind or have exposure issues. The L-Monochrome-D is outstanding.
Great insights, as usual. Would you recommend the GX9 or the Fuji x-t3 for an everyday camera?
Both are superb in that capacity.
@@3BMEP THANK YOU so much for taking the time to answer. It's much appreciated. In your opinion, Pammy's M43 camera and glass is not too much behind Fuji's APS-C's ecosystem? I am a bit concerned with low light photography... the IBIS of the GX9 is appealing, but the Fuji 16mm f1.4 and 50mm f2 lenses are really tempting...
Christophe Langlois I loved the X-T2 with 56/1.2 and 16/1.4; impressed by their red badge zooms and the X-H1, X-Pro2 and X-T3. It I could only have one system for stills and video for personal work, between the two I’d go Fuji. But if I could only have one system for professional work, for now it would remain the Pannys - but that is because they have no recording limit, better battery, better rear panel (again, for what we do) and better internal video recording options - and superb AF is not our biggest issue. The 24mp X-Trans sensor, however, is definitely better. If I were only shooting stills, I’d go Fuji.
@@3BMEP again a huge THANK YOU for taking the time to answer me. Your regular conversations with your TH-cam community is one of the key reasons you are our favourite TH-camrs for all topics related to photo and videography. I appreciate how time consuming it is... kudos to you! By the way, I decided to focus on photography and opted for the Fuji x-e3 with a number of lenses including the 16mm f/1.4: what beautiful glass! Thanks again. :)
dang this vid was uber quiet, I had the volume on the video, laptop, and speakers maxed out and i could barely hear still
Great video. I am now subscribed!
BTW, what's the model number (dimensions? type? anything?) on that GX9 battery? (the nice folks at B&H didn't know) Also, I see on Amazon a photo of a battery (presumably the one that in the box), and it looked a lot like the ones I use in my beloved GX1 . . . same?
Dunno - don't have one in hand at the moment. But: welcome to the community!
I owned and LOVED GX85. they added mic input and excellent lens combo. I am in and will buy as soon as it is possible. And like you, I find the 17mm f/1.7 the absolute must for the m4/3. Owning both platforms, I find Lumic to be far superior in image quality and user-friendliness to Oly any day of the week.
No mic jack!
OH no, I must have misread. then that may ba decision changer for me. thank you for the clarification.
Hi there, I won a Sony a7RIII and a pana G7, now in the market for a portable street photography setup, and this video was a revelation. I was not really paying attention to the pana GX family, but after having checked the video I am clear to go for a GX9 or GX80 (I am in Europe) if I find the latter cheap enough. By the way, love the color grading of the video studio shots, which camera did you use for it? Thanks!
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Does it have a mic input?
SwitchBack Events I don’t recall seeing one.
No, they've stupidly removed that too.
Looks like an interesting combo, still too big for pockets (GR2 or Leica X2 territory) and to close size and cost wise to A6300/6500 -which can share lenses with FF as the second camera. Fuji X-E3 is cheaper with a lot of amazing glass. Personally, I wouldn’t choose it. I think it is most interesting for GH5 users as You sad.
My GX9 just came in yeasterday and I’m already loving at as it’s a great #2 camera to follow behind my G9
Zach Antonacci Excellent!
Im torn between the two. Can you tell me how the auto focus is on the GX9? compared to the G9? thanks
Usually I agree with you but this time I simply cannot. Though I haven't held the GX9 based on specs and images I can only say I am heavily disappointed. I really love my GX8 and was looking forward on how they would improve things on the GX9 but all they did was take things away.
Weather sealing is gone which is a shame. The lovely deep grip of the GX8 is gone too. The flippy screen which to my own surprise I use quite a lot (even when shooting still) has been removed. Okay, they finally solved the shutter shock issue but that is the only interesting improvement over the GX8. I seriously wouldn't swap this for my GX8 if I could do it free of cost at my local camera shop.
The hair is the owner. The beard is the dog. :)
I bought the GX7 when it was released thanks to your video on it and haven't been disappointed, think it is time for me to jump up a few digits! Thanks.
DoF doesn't change with sensor size
I'll be more precise: for a given field of view, a larger sensor requires a longer focal length lens. This in turn means for a given field of view and given aperture, the resultant image by virtue of distance from subject will have a shallower depth of field with the longer focal length. Saying that all else being equal a larger sensor will yield a shallower depth of field is a short-hard for this dynamic.
Great camera, but it has a marketing problem. The name let's you think, it's a successor of the GX8, but in fact it's the successor for the GX80 or GX7 if you want to go back a bit further in history. And Panasonics naming convention for Japan also implies this. GX7 > GX7mk2 (GX80) > GX7mk3 (GX9). But as I already have the GX80, I don't see me upgrading to GX9.
Sounds about right.
i am NOT pleased the newly released gx9 does not have any audio in/out ports. to include the many 4k features which panasonic employs and NOT think about audio is a real shame. the gx9 might equal/= the earlier gx85. my disappointment is about the gx9 replacing the g85. is a g95 release around the corner? if so, i truly hope the good folks at panasonic do NOT forgo the audio concerns which many of us rely upon. thank you for your effort and the sharing. thumbs up.
So you are saying that this GX9; aside from the image quality it's equal to Sony A7iii. I have being tempted to jump ship and grab the Sony. For what I need 24mp will do just fine for me. Will love to see what other reviewers are saying too.
Hi, Juan. I'm saying it's a different set of trade-offs that will appeal to many people.
Cak those that can't sit at the sideline. Does that can change the world.
Thanks for the review Hugh. I just purchased a a GX85 as I wanted to try out the Panasonic system and I really like small and light systems. If I like it I will upgrade to the GX9 but at the moment I saved over $400 on the used price of the GX85 over the GX9. I purchased the GX85 body with the Panasonic Leica 25 mm f1.4. The 17 mm is next on my list. The GX85 + 25 f1.4 set me back $665. Over systems I considered for a small and light set up were the Fuji X-S10 + 35 F2 (22 ounces) and the Sony A7C + 50 F.25 (24 ounces). I am sure both would be great but the Fuji set up is around twice the price and Sony was three times the price.
Enjoy!
6 year old video, but still a great one! Debating on adding either the gx9 or gx85 as daily carry. The former is still close to $800 or $900 used!
@@gordon3988 The used price on the GX9 is outrageous, now more than $450 more than the GX85. It "should" be about $100 more, for example a Lumix G95 is $100 more than a Lumix G85, the main difference been a 20 MP sensor v a 16 PM, which is the main difference between the GX85 and GX9. I suggest you get the GX85. I made a 16 by 20 black and white print for a recent art show from a GX85 file and yo and behold I won a judges award. Use the money you saved for one of the Panasonic Leica lenses, 15 mm or 25 mm, they are really really good.
@@gordon3988 GX9 price is ridiculous, "should" be about $100 more than the GX85, $100 is usually the difference in price between other 16 MP and 20 MP Lumix cameras e.g. Lumix G85 and G95. I just won an award with an image from my GX85, I printed it to 16 by 20, so I wouldn't worry about lower resolution on the GX85.
@@hanumanguy agreed! On MPB a used G9 is maybe $200 over a used gx85, but a used Gx9 is around $400 more.
I knew your mind was blown when I saw your hair! That said, this is a very attractive proposition! I can see a GX 85as a back up to a GX9. I’ll be on the streets of Paris, Milan, Venice and a bunch of other S*hole cities all up and down the Adriatic coast in a few weeks. I’ll let you know how it goes
HA! Please do.
Hi Hugh, I really wish Panasonic would re-work their old GX8 body with a new full frame sensor, rather then the new S9 camera! I think that would be a killer! Perhaps you could have a word with them, Hugh ;- )
I understand.
Hugh....would you like your mind to be blown further?!
Try the Vitrox speed booster for Canon EF glass on the GX9.
I have Canon 24-105mm f4 EFL, this becomes 34-149mm f2.8 on the GX9.
You, therefore, get IBIS for Canon glass 4k video....etc.
Dinesh Kumar would love to see some shots down with it!
Well...I got one after considering yours and others opinions. I’m a GH5 user and a solid fan of my old GX8, in fact I considered another. First impressions...great, sure the viewfinder isn’t a patch on the GX8, OK it’s not weather sealed and has no microphone input but WOW it’s put me in love with photography again since my GX8 went west. It feels great in the hand and yep that LMonochromeD is really quite something. Cheers Hugh 👌🏻
Paul Feeney Delighted for you! Seriously contemplating one myself, but I have so much on my plate already...
I'm sure you've answered this question a million times, but... what settings are you using to get your video so crispy? It's like you're using a RED camera :-O
Erskin Hansen :) GH5 shooting 8-bit 4:2:0 4K/24p 100mbps, typically at ISO between 100-160 using a Sigma 30mm/1.4 between f/2.2 and 2.5 at 1/50th. Standard profile.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Thanks for the reply! Seriously impressive quality, I’ve never seen a TH-cam video look so clean. I can see the hairs on your black shirt... No room for faults when your that sharp on camera lol. I wonder if it’s too late to cancel my 80D order 😑
Erskin Hansen we have a golden retriever - I’ve just given up.
haha that explains a lot 😂 ... back to this crispiness... Surely you've done at least 1 commercial project with these skill, right? If yes, point me to the promise land. If not, I assume someone had to have asked one of those blind men or the elephant to hold the camera for money... so why not?
Erskin Hansen yep. You can see some of our work at www.3bmep.com.
Still wish it had a twisty/flippy screen, and high-res mode. Essentially a Pen-F. Or a rangefinder G9, without all the super high speed "performance". Do we need 20 fps in a rangefinder-style body? By Panasonic, so my glass retains dual-IS.
Agreed!
why you seem like mind blown by every camera?
Ehm... from what I've seen commented, a lot of people are on the page that they find the GX9 NO worthy successor to the GX8 but consider it a GX80/85 with 20MP sensor and tilting EVF... which pretty much sums it up for me too... guess to protect the G9? Although I personally find a rangefinder to be a different caliber of camera altogether, so I'm not sure why they'd worry too much about that. Old EVF specs, no weather sealing, no mic input... GX80/85 upgrade? Eh... lil' bit. Better be for that price and time passed. But a GX8 downgrade tho.
Shiznutsz I’d say there’s truth to what you say - except I suspect the little ‘9 does better than you might think against the 8. I forgot to mention the revised shutter mechanism, too...
It’s not real rangefinder tho since the EVF. You can’t really focus rangefinder style unlike the Leica.
G85 is exactly the same price, do you think that GX9 has better video autofocus and Image Quality than G85? It’s a big dilemma for me. Thank you!
T Vitanov I don’t think there’s enough of a difference to judge on those bases. GX9 advantages: Dual IS 2.0, higher resolution and tilting EVF, small size, a few real neat photo software tricks (L-Monochrome D, simulated grain, sequence composition). G85 advantages: flippy screen, handling, headphone jack as I recall but I’m not sure, larger EVF as I recall (again, I’m not sure). For vlogging, I’d go G85. For street photography or a real combination of video and stills, I’d go GX9. I also suggest you try both in hand by buying from a place with excellent return policy like Amazon, B&H or Adorama (one reason why I’ve affiliated with each of them). Let me know what you decide!
Thank you for the reply :) I will go and check both, p.s. I'm almost sure that both of them have identical DUAL IS in regards to image stabilization at least from what I see on the Panasonic website
The GX8 must really blow your mind then. The GX8 has weather sealing, mic input, flip out LCD screen, better/bigger viewfinder. So I am not really all that impressed with this GX9 when it lives in a world with the GX8. But, still a nice video review by the way. Peace!
Shawn Brezny I understand your GX8 perspective. What kept me off it was the original shutter shock issue and the fact that the Sony a6300 met my needs. The GX85 was/is a great little camera, but again the a6300 met my needs. It was only when I needed unlimited recording capability that I leapfrogged the GX8 and went to the GH5. But we all have different points of view, needs, priorities and projects. Thanks for weighing in. Glad you enjoyed the video!
After some research the GX8 also doesn't have IBIS in 4k video.
@@dejayrezme8617 really? Cause that kills it as an option for me...
Now I give more value to the GX 8
Hugh, why do you say - “It doesn’t have a twisty screen only a flippy.’ When the flippy is far better, less obtrusive and quicker to use? Especially for street photography. I’m genuinely curious.
Thanks.
Chloe, I've learned that the twisty (as opposed to what I probably should have called "tilty" but you knew what I meant) gives me four advantages: 1) it allows me to do street work off axis, with the camera away from my eye; 2) with the exception of maybe only the new Nikon Z, I've found that the eye piece of the other cameras I've used blocks a bit of the
screen when I'm viewing from wait level; 3) the twisty allows me to shoot maximum overhead because the tilties don't articulate a full 90 degrees ; and recently we've been using a G9 with pixel shift to shoot shots, and the twisty screen is especially useful here as I alternate between moving the object and moving the camera.
@@3BMEP Thank you for the reply. I understand what you're saying, but when reading a review about this camera written by a respected Nat Geographical photographer, who prefers this camera for his work he wrote -
I’m a mild-mannered kind of guy, but any stills photographer who thinks a twisty screen is better than a flippy screen should be lined up and shot. With one finger you can instantly pull out the GX9’s screen and have a discreet, private view to whatever’s in front of you. During the old days of the GX8 I cannot count the number of times I went to reach for the screen but ran out of time for the pull & twist needed to get it into position."
I agree with him.
I think what it is - not in your case however - is that so many reviewers on youtube extol the virtue of the flip out screen because of a vlogging requirement, and camera manufacturers do listen. But the majority of us (I have asked every videographer at every wedding I have shot in the last few months) do no want the flip out screen as it is a burden.
I love your channel btw and thank you for responding.
Chloe Scanlon well, I understand - I’ve said a number of times I don’t use a twisty screen for vlogging because of my eyesight and the nature of how I shoot (I use a tethered laptop if it’s just me) but - “taken out and shot?” Sigh.
@@3BMEP He was clearly joking but he obvioulsy feels so strongly about it...as do I. Thanks again, keep up the good work.
Chloe Scanlon I do too, I get it... :)
Poll on DPR regarding this...thing: bit.ly/2CutqgY
Zlatan Pasic good find! OTOH, I think it’s amazing and am thinking about adding one to our kit. Then again, I DO need to replace my laptop first, and the GH5 is on sale, and the X-H1...
After extensive research looking into a small stealth street carrying around unit, this one has failed my criteria. Not just any one (lack of) feature, but combined it's a big no go.
Michael McKinney Fair enough. What have you decided on instead?
I have the gx8 but can't see a reason to get the gx9.. gx8 had exact same form factor, resolution and ibis.. am I missing something but otherwise why would I get a gx9 just for the black and white option and the mode that captures motion in one shot alone? I'd rather get the g9..
justinspirational I agree: this is not going to be perceived by many ‘8 users as a worthwhile upgrade. But for people coming into the m43 ecosystem for the first time, street shooters, or people looking for B or C cams, the GX9 is REALLY interesting. The articulated EVF, tiny size, ergos, UI, and imagery coming out of it - for me - make it an almost perfect travel can for my m43 lenses. I wish it had a floppy screen, though.
Gaël Caro I don't know what you mean.. What did they do to the gx8?
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions yeah that makes sense.. What do you mean a floppy screen? The gx8 already has a fully articulating screen.. The gx9 doesn't?
justinspirational correct.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions what?! No articulating screen?? What are panasonic thinking.. the newer model is a downgrade compared to the gx8 then..
I see little in the way of compelling reasons why any GX8 user would " upgrade " to this. Definitely more of an upgrade to the G85 so why the change of nomenclature? Is this Panasonic's way of blending the Gxx and GXx series into a single product line? Given the current prices of the GX8 ( in addition to cashback offers ) I'd go for that over this GX9 despite it being near on 2 years old alteady.
Nice to see you here! I suspect you're right -- a consolidation of the product line. Maybe a higher-end rangefinder-esque camera coming up?
I suspect so too - which is a bit of a PR blunder IMO. The naming would also suggest there's going to be no genuine successor to the GX8, which is a bit of a shame.
Sam Santana As a GX8 user, what I was looking for was a G9 in a GX8 form factor. I would have been willing to pay more for that camera. I love the flip up EVF. But this camera leaves me “un- blown”.
I want to teach videography and use a good camera... The question is: 1.- Buying a GX85 or Gx9 very compact camera in a low price and record quality video with: "Atomos Ninja V" or: 2 .- Forget about the compactness of the Gx85 and go for a more expensive and newer camera like the GH6 camera and not use the "Atomos Ninja V". it is an easy or difficult choice, for a person as experienced as you?
Lovely video production. I thought the gx85 was a great camera too - I have one and use it more than my D750, but the gx9 is not. It's a gx85 with a modest sensor update and a 100% price hike. The use of that woeful EVF, yet again, is a deal breaker for me. It's like peering through a child's kaleidoscope whilst someone squeezes your eyeball.
yup,not worth the upgrade from GX85
If Polonius vlogged ad-copy on Madison Avenue..😉
Jeff Goldblum called. He wants his body and soul back. You say your mind was blown. Was it blown enough to recomend the GX9 for someone who is looking for good value given the GX85 is about half the price?
I'm an original gx1 and gx7 user, switched to Sony and Fuji at later stage. I totally understand people's frustration on this model consider it's is more like a renewed gx80 rather than gx8, this is probably part of strategy of Panasonic to push the sales of their more 'premium' g9. But hey, good job losing a batch of royal users. I believe I'm not the only one choosing mirrorless simply because I don't want a bulky dslr look camera. 2018 is ten year anniversary of original g1 (and the mirrorless revolution) and Panasonic manage to disappoint its own fans with a meh 'update', it's such a pity.
Nice vid, hugh.
But If the camera goddess was to appear and demand that I rid myself of all my cameras except one, that sole survivor would likely be my Gx8.
It's this fact that makes the Gx9 so tricky to accept. Because it eschews so much of what makes the 8 so brilliant. The glorious EVF, weathersealing, the layout afforded by the bigger body, the articulated screen. Even 1/8000 mech shutter. All gone.
Now, I acknowledge that many bemoaned the loss of the Gx7, and preferred smaller , tilt only screen etc. I'd argue they got theirs via the Gx85 and the Gx9 largely doubles down on that camera.
Meanwhile, those who think the addition of the G85 shutter and Ibis to a Gx8 body and sensor would have created their perfect flagship camera will likely never see it.
All that said, I do hope that L.Monochrome D makes it via firmware to my new G9. That seems a very nice thing to have.
Keep up the great video's, Hugh. And I do applaud Panasonic for continuing to produce new product.
Jason Hannigan Good, precise analysis, Jason. I’d thought about the GX8 when it first came out, but there were too many things that held me back. Now that I’m already invested in the GH5 and m43 lens ecosystem however, the GX9 is a fascinating B or C cam. I can’t imagine many GX8 users swapping theirs for the GX9, but I can still see many, many people loving the little guy on its own merits.
Gael, I'll ask you to edit this to make it more constructive -- or I'll take it out for you.
Curious how in American, something is referred to as "a good value" rather than as "good value" as it would be in British English.
Travelling Light I love the similarities AND differences between the two cultures - and wouldn’t have it any other way.
I agree; it just sounds odd to my ear! A little like the extra 'of' the creeps in in statements like "as good of a time as any" whereas we'd say "as good a time as any". What was that black and white/random grain thing you referred to in the video? And do you buy your tops from Steve Jobs' old tailor? :-)
Travelling Light Photography L. Monochrome D and grain Simulation are two new features that are done exceptionally well. As someone who cut his teeth on B&W, I can tell you the together they create a more realistic and pleasing simulation of 35mm film like Tri-X than anything I’ve seen in the digital era (I also love FujiFilm’s ACROS simulation - it is superb - but to me it aims (and succeeds) feeling more like medium format.
For me, as a GX8 user, this is a severe disappointment. They took away the weather sealing and articulating screen, and the EVF is a big downgrade too. Terrible stuff.
Almost forgot, they also took away the microphone input. This camera should be called the GX90. Actually in Japan it is dubbed the "GX7 mkIII". Do they think the rest of the world are idiots?
As a potential new Panasonic user (getting rid of my heavy Nikon gear) I would buy the GX8 in a heartbeat over this GX9 ~ GX9 is so disappointing!
Agreed! GX8 is the better camera and deal hands down.
Short and sweet. I will take any good advice here. Looking to make first real camera investment, from point and shoot or IPhone. My uses would be majority family shots, vacation, 9 year old boy playing sports, some images around my town in Long Island, picnics, pool and summer...you get the point. I know nothing about aperture settings or exposure settings or manual focus. Basically, camera ignorant. But I would love to experiment, and I love beautiful pictures of my family and friends. So, is this GX9 my camera? Whew, that kind of sucked! Thanks for all incoming advice. Please don't make fun of me. Peace folks.
Hey Hugh, nice intro. Do you know GX9's sensor is IMX272 as used in G9 or IMX269 as GX8's? You're first one who said the GX9's Venus is of Ver 9, the same as in GX8. That most like means its sensor is also the same as GX8's.
Great question, I don't know. Will reach out to Panasonic and see what they say.
Following!
So the answer is: it may not actually be a Sony sensor. Can’t tell you more than that.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions but at least this statement is confirmed by Panasonic?
Panasonic said only (and I'm paraphrasing) that it's a leap to assume it's a Sony sensor. I say: it may or may not be, but don't forget that Panasonic owns 49% of chip manufacturer TowerJazz Panasonic Semiconductor Co. Ltd.
Hmmm lots to think about there as usual with your videos. This camera has torn me in half, and end of day I probably wont buy a GX9. Why? The only thing this almost perfect camera has missing; weather sealing, I want it for nature trails in all weather so I will probably keep what I have and buy a GH5, only for its weather sealing, sigh. My history, I dumped DSLRs when I bought a Leica X113 as a street camera and found the DSLR just couldnt cut the IQ. But I wanted a system body so bought a Leica T with an adapter to take my Nikkor primes and a Panasonic GX7 for longer nature lenses. OMG the GX7 with an Olympus 17mm f1.8 is the best street camera I ever used. Am i interested in a full frame Sony? Definately not, people on the street are the human interest in my photos, the subject is the background, I want the architecture and the bustle of the crowds, I want infinite depth of field with a fast aperture and Panasonic delivers in spades. So I noticed the GX8 and was interested in an upgrade but what i wanted was a GX8MkII with a shockless shutter and no sensor filter. Well the MkII turns out to be the same as my lovely GX7 and have everything I wanted BUT......., they lost the weather sealing - deep gloom. So I will probably ignore my perfect camera, keep my lovely GX7 and buy a GH5 for my weather sealed nature lenses. Have to say its exciting times for us Panasonic fans, four flagship cameras in a year; now I just want them to weather seal the Leica 25mm f1.4 as a complement to my 17mm when the weather is bad and i will be happy ;-)
GX9 Yes tilting electronic viewfinder, while GH5 No tilting electronic viewfinder
Yes I hate fully articulated screens and love the tilting screen on my GX7. I never use portrait format as it looks wrong to me on a screen so usually either use landscape or crop square like a Rollei. A screen poking out sideways just looks silly to me ;-)
Hugely disappointing, to me. Dramatically worse battery life, the old Dual IS system, not the newer Dual IS 2, no weather sealing, older processing engine, etc. I love Panasonic, and love my G85, but any of the Sony a6XXX series would blow the GX9 away.
Mark, I understand your disappointment. On the other hand, I started with an a6000 - it's what got me off Canon --
and still own an a6300 in which we continue to invest (just got the excellent 24-105/4 Sony). But the a6xxx does NOT -- in my opinion, though I respect yours -- blow away the GX9.
I think the G9 is the new Gx8 and the GX9 is the follow up Modell for the Gx7 and a little upgraded GX85. What's the most important fact is for me that since the G9 came out i think the Jpeg ooc is almost nice as the Fuji ones. I think you get a well rounded complete system with the hole range of lenses. Sony does'nt think this till the end. And i like Sony FF and own a G85 and an A7. And always think about how fast you get the full sharpness instead of stopping down the aperture in Aps-c. So the advantage is not so big as you might think.
Hi really enjoy listening to how you carefully phrase things like a white mans Morgan Freeman love that guy :-) I'm considering a GX9 2nd hand in a few months for that street rangefinder style to supplement my weather sealed Oly EM5ii with the advantage of 20MP sensor, 4k, DFD, plus dual IS with my Leica 12-60 f2.8-4 when I'm not using primes. 100% agree it looks a real stealthy black beauty with the Leica 15mm what a stunning looking combo. Stay safe, Rich.
You too!
"The Tony Northrup Effect"! Ha - love it. Also love the "pop-up" Hugh in Max's GH5S video. For a serious guy, you make me laugh a lot. Thanks!
Jim Bean It’s fun!
Personally I own the Gx7 and similarly use it for photos. I understand all the drawbacks to the GX9 but as solely for photography it’s could be a winner. I would have thought it would have a limited appeal so in time will be heavily discounted. I like the GX7 but having dropped it 3 times now will be looking for a replacement and this GX9 or as its labelled in Japan GX7 mark2 would suit me fine. So I wait for it to be discounted and body only but I’m not going to part $1000 or equivalent to £ because it’s plainly overpriced compared to the G80, GX8 or G9. That’s me done.
train.tram.bus Solid points.
Tried the gx9 with the leica Panasonic 25 mm 1.4 best combo... However olympus epl9 is similar.
.can't decide
Alexander Thomas sorry, I don’t know Olympus.
Nice beard
I hope they make an actual GX8 upgrade, the GX9 is just too small for my hands.
Another way of putting things is to say is that Gx9 upgraded the essentials of the beautiful Gx7, and that it was the Gx8 that went awry. If you want more grip and body, you got the G7 and its upgrades. It seems to me that the Gxs were meant to be portable.
Panasonic made a very nice trick and it doesn't look good to me. Sort of a mind game. Name camera GX9, so its looks like its upgrade for GX8. When in real life its upgraded GX85. Still love my GX8, and have a chance to try GX85 (good camera), wondering if 20mp vs 16 with no AA filter will really looks much better?! But no weather sealing, less battery life, and no mic port? Come'on. You can't call it upgrade for GX8.
Roman Arkhipov I know weather sealing is an issue for a number of folks, and I’m with you. But I remind myself every now and again that photographers from Cartier-Bresson to Ansel Adams and many more didn’t have weather sealed cameras - and look what they accomplished. The nomenclature suggests to me that it is the end of the line for the GX8 body.
I totally understand what you mean. But its 21 century and technology let us take a picture much easier. To be fair all those classic cameras was mechanical, nowadays its electronic devices and water can be crucial for the camera. Plus $1000 and over price it's not cheap. Last week I was shooting snow storm in Chicago with GX8, for 2 hours, so I only protect 20mm lens by hold it in my hand, but the camera was covered in snow and I was comfortable that Im not going to ruit camera. The way I see what manufacturers doing right now its trying to downgrade devices, but make it look like its upgrade. In 2-3 years there will be nothing to add in M43 system. Only if Panasonic and Olympus will decide to make APSC camera. Other then that what options they have? Downgrade product (GX8), make it looks like its upgrade (GX9), wait for customers to ask for weather sealing on GX10, improved battery life and mic input...and voi-la #1) you have new improved product #2) you are good company because you listen to your customers.
Roman Arkhipov good points! OTOH, they are upgrading cameras too - a7R III, Nikon D850, Panasonic GH5 - and charging more for it. I’m OK with that. With cratered volumes, what choice do they have?
So...this must be Ian Malcolm’s cousin, maybe brother?
Way over priced, more expensive than my G85 in Australia. If it had dual IS 2 and the same evf as the G85 it may have been worth getting as I prefer the tilt rear screens. Also no remote release socket.
Hopefully next time we at least get the G85 specs and connections then it may be worth looking into.
I appreciate your insight a lot. However, I don't know why any camera company has yet to just give the people what they want. Why is this such an impossibility? I wish they would have essentially just shrunk the gx8 to be the same size if not smaller than the gx85, which i currently own and love, and just upgraded the ibis and pixels to the gh5 level. Pretty friggen simple. That's more or less what everyone wants in a camera. Especially when we're talking micro four thirds. Small, and powerful, With great stabilization and a proper articulating screen and a Mic input! Am I wrong? Is that too much to ask? No one has quite gotten it right, and this update is just a teaser to mostly piss everyone off lol! Because they're still just not quite giving the people what they really all want even though it's blatantly obvious. That's just all marketing bullcrap.
Thanks for replying. Sure I agree with you, but I've also watched countless reviews from practically all of the more popular youtube reviewers in search for the best camera that would suit my needs, and from my experience, the overall opinion seems to almost 9 times out of ten be similar if not the same. That's just a perfect combo it would seem that would meet the needs of most in my opinion, and from my research. Essentially the exact features of the lumix g85, but in the form factor of something closer to the gx85, or even smaller. Hasn't been done. This would appeal to vloggers, street photographers, and filmmakers alike in my opinion. You can't tell me I'm wrong about this
Again I do appreciate your feedback, as I am always learning. They essentially did that with the gx8 though. They just made it a little too big for most peoples tastes. Which kind of goes against the whole concept of having micro four thirds in the first place. If only they would have shrunk that down to at least the similar size of the new gx9 and gave it the same stabilization. That would have been a true winner. I'm really intrigued by this new gx9, however the minimal amount of improvements compared to the gx85 doesn't warrant the extra $500 for me personally. I just feel like they missed the mark on this one. They really had an opportunity to make a potential game changer, but instead they just played it safe. I really hope the next update they get it right because i overall I really love and am happy to invest in this lineup
In regard to GH5 AF performance, this video explains the best settings for making AF much better: th-cam.com/video/_GcP0K26jEw/w-d-xo.html
I liked this vid. Have to try this stuff out.
I just can't get excited by the gx9 at all. Seems a backward step compared to the gx8. Very disappointed.
I really wonder -- I have NO advance knowledge -- if an even higher end rangefinder-esque version of, say, the G9 is on their roadmap.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Maybe, who knows what Panasonic are thinking these days!?
Gaël Caro do you notice a big difference between the Gx7 and gx8, in terms of quality? I've been holding out, now I'm not sure what to do. Would love a G9, but look at the price! I'm not a pro, so it's hard to justify.
Do you have a cat? You have so much hair on you, known issue for me...
sarfios Sophie - a golden retriever. I just gave up, but another viewer recommended a für brush which should arrive any minute (I bought it with my own money) and I admit my setup demands a little extra grooming.
Don't you look classy