Thank you, felt instant results on my first ride after wrapping. Totally transformed the comfort level... on a side note the oil filter is on one side and rad hose on the other now have some added protection from the radiant heat also. Edit... 1st long distance run... absolutely no excess heat, avg 39 mpg at, shall we say ... spirited riding. And no my headers didn't rot and rust off... Highly recommend this mod.
I bought a 2007 ST1300 one year ago this month, I did some minor maintenance on it and changed the oil and filter, as well as the fork fluid. I absolutely love this bike, ive wanted one for years and became very fortunate last year when I was able to locate and purchase a 07 with 30k miles. I ride it daily here in Austen tx and the heat is pretty bad, it almost burns your bum. this winter I plan on doing an exhaust and give the rap a go... my plan is to ride it out to the north west and maybe even Fairbanks. thanx for the vid it really helped me.
I live in Ohio so that pocket of heat feels great in the Spring, Winter and Fall. In Summer I only notice the heat when fully stopped at lights. When she's moving it's unnoticeable and not bad enough to complain about. Owned my 2007 ST1300 for over a decade and still love it.
Duct tape reflects heat. I just put four layers on all the exhaust pipes, and my helmet. Probably just an urban myth, but it should help some. Great video, thanks !
I had two ST1300s, a used ‘03 and a gorgeous red ‘09. What helped me( I lived in Shreveport while I owned these so my experience was pretty much like you in Austin) was running Mobil One. I learned this running this oil in a Kawasaki Z1. I also ran a Beadrider seat cover so I could keep air under my tail. I bought the ‘03 with 35k and eventually sold it with 154k before I started listing for the red one. When I bought it I transferred my trailer hitch and bar risers and then had the optional fairing deflection kit added. That Kit really did good things for rain and wind protection. I always found the wind noise harsh on my modular helmet and running ear plugs helped some but they were still noisy. I have a 2015 Goldwing now so the wind noise is much better.
I have a 2005 in red and I love it. I bought a beaded seat cover at a swap meet for 10 bucks years ago.. really has helped..let's the air get in between me and the seat❤.
I crossed South Dakota in August and my 2007 got really hot. It felt like my calves were roasting over a fire. On the same trip, I melted one of my prescription drugs (small tablets) that I was carrying in the side case.
Bought a stock 2005.Seat position on high mark. Big gaps between the seat and tank. Fried my junk on the first ride. McGiver - Ghetto fix. Remove tank, layers of aluminum foil sheets sealing the gaps between the seat and tank. No more heat issues. Side heat vents are hot on summer days, but ok.
Bought a set of Delkevic long ovals. I don't care if it runs cooler I love the sound. At times the ST can be boring to ride even at surprising speeds, the sound of these pipes fixes that.
I enjoyed your video. Please keep the info flowing. I am currently running 2 ST13's,,, a stock 2012,, and a hot rodded 2004,, both Canuck bikes. The '04 has a lot of mod's,, which I will list in a following comment here soon. In moderate Ontario weather,,, I don't have much issue with heat on either bike. Keep up the great video's,,,, I really enjoy them,, and appreciate the amount of effort that you put into producing them.
Seen the videos....the most effective measure was my ghetto/ Mc Giver aluminum foil layering sealing over the back of the air cleaner and under the seat. It works !!
I don't see any comments about venting the inner cowling to allow more air flow. Did that years ago, I'm in Mississippi, plenty summer heat, but no issues with heat of the ST after cutting 2 in holes in the inner plastic panels, simple and zero cost. Have a Silver 2007, since 2008 bought brand new; 50,000 miles on it and runs great. Only issue i had was the sensor wiring for the radiator fan, had hell getting to it way down in a very tight spot under the gas tank , I do recall, there was a short as the insulation had rubbed off, covered it with insulation Like the heat in the winter! So i did not reduce any radiator heat but did vent off engine block heat from my shins
I don't see any comments about venting the inner cowling to allow more air flow. Did that years ago, I'm in Mississippi, plenty summer heat, but no issues with heat of the ST R cutting side 2 in homes in the inner plastic panels, simple and zero cost. Like the heat in the winter!
2000 Honda VFR 800. Great video. I ride an 05 ST. My tank gets hot AF right in front of the seat. I stay away from it if it is above 90 F outside. Highway pegs help. I live in central Texas where it stays plenty hot for a few months. I have contemplated some of the mods you suggest, but have just learned to live with it. I would like to try a set of those Delkelvics. They sound sweet!
August, 2021. I took an ST 1300 for a test drive today.The heat issue just kept me from buying that nice original Honda ST 1300 . It is 85° here today, I told the seller that I would not be right back on the test ride. I told him I’ll be gone at least an hour. I got about 15 minutes down the road on a back road that I was traveling 50 to 60 miles an hour with some tree shade, and it felt like when you open the door of an oven on my legs. I open my legs to try to scoop some cool air towards my crotch, and it was hotter because of the air ducted out thru the heat vents.. it is August 2021 here in Pennsylvania. I sold my GL 1800 Goldwing in June, I sold my Moto Guzzi norge in april.. and I sold my 1994 Honda Pacific coast that I commuted on for 24 trouble free years. I just wasn’t riding it and it made me feel bad to go from riding at five or six days a week to one or two days a month. All three of those bikes did not put out half the heat that the ST 1300 I rode today did. The Honda pacific coast put zero heat on the rider no matter how hot it was out that day. that was quite an accomplishment by the engineers at Honda to duct that heat from the radiator out away from the rider completely. The ST 1300 I looked at today has 37,000 miles on it, 2005, the original owner, never dropped, it had the special highway pegs, Russell day long seat, two windshields one was real wide, heated grips, it had a trunk, it had a brand new set of Michelin pilots on it, they still had the mold whiskers on them. The exhaust & the intake were totally stock. The bike was not tinkered with.. The asking price was $4600, the bike was dirty, needed detailed…the guy said I am not a motorcycle washer. I’m not either, so that didn’t bother me. I will not buy a motorcycle that the owner pressure washed regularly. Pressure washers destroy motorcycles. I have seen it.. anyway, the heat coming off of that bike was a dealbreaker. My current bike is a Kawasaki Z 400 but I just picked up, 2019. It literally weighs less than a half of what ST 1300 Weighs.. I have done 21 changes to my Kawasaki Z 400 , Gel seat cushion, 2 1/2 inch bar risers, taller windshield, real horns, rubber top foot pegs,Hepco Becker passenger seat replacement rack, givi trunk, magnetic tank bag, foam grips, swingarm spools,, 64 miles per gallon over the first 1500 miles, no heat issues at all, none. I upgraded the shock to a Suzuki GSXR 600 shock, fork caps to adjust spring preload, I’m going to put in upgraded springs in the forks, I got it dialed in. I have to get used to getting hit in the face shield with bugs, and I have to be a little more selective at what I pack in the tankbag and trunk. I used to add things that stayed in there forever like, walking shoes, umbrella, small fold up stool, real eating utensils, motorcycle cover, but I’m gonna have to just take the basics like tire repair kit and electric pump, electric vest, hot and cold weather gloves, face shield cleaning spray and cloths, water, cargo net, baby wipes (they are better by far than toilet paper) tiedowns, paper maps, I prefer them, I like to see where I’m going , not just where I am at the moment. anyway, for less than $500 I completely transformed my Kawasaki Z 400, which is the same bike as the ninja 400 but it has a standard riding position. I’ve transformed it into a general purpose mule. Insurance for a year with $500,000 liability protection, roadside assistance, trip interruption insurance is $75 a year through Progressive.. so I’m going to pass on that rolling oven ST 1300, the same way I passed on the Kawasaki concourse, and the Yamaha FJR. Those are the only reasons I passed on those bikes is because of the heat..
My 2011 Concours isn’t bad for heat. They made a lot of improvements over the 2008 and 2009 models. My 2007 ST1300 gets hot enough that it melted a prescription medication that was locked in one of the saddle bags on the first day of a week long trip. Never saw that before on my other bikes.
@@alanhassall it melted a prescription bottle?? wow.. when I took the ST 1300 that I wanted to buy for a test ride. I could feel that that was some serious heat on my shins call me and I was moving constantly on a back road, I was not in stop and go traffic. That’s why I passed on buying that st1300
@@Jodyrides Not the bottle. Just the pills inside the bottle. I had spent the day on the motorcycle traveling at around 70 - 80mph. The cats are in the mufflers under the luggage. On that same ride I had times when my calves felt like they were on a rotisserie. I was wearing an Aerostitch suit. The gauge always read normal when the light was such that I could read it. A few weeks ago I needed a multi tool that was in the left fairing pocket and it was so hot that I could barely hold it. I think that I could cook food in there. Honda definitely could have taken a bit more care in heat management on the ST1300. My ST1100 was never like that and my 2011 Concours14 isn’t like that.
Hi Rod I recently bought a 2008 ST1300. Never rode one before. Came off a naked Kwaka Z900RS. Bike is beautiful. Went for a ride on a 26c day here in NZs South Island. Lower legs cooked . Will do the pipe wrap and looking and buy Delkevic mufflers. What model is on yours. With baffles in how is highway noise ? Like throatier sound than standard but don't want it too noisy either. Cheers Love your work
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Thanks for your version of heat reduction. I really like the comparisons back to back that you do. As an owner of an 05 and 2012 model, I don't think I heard you mention removing parts of the inner fairing to allow for better air flow. I had adjustable supertrapp aftermarket exhaust. it decreased performance. I would use caution and wrapping exhaust as heat and cold cycles cause condensation and results in rust. Again, I enjoyed your approach
I have a 84 GL1200 and a 2009 st1300, I think the GL1200 puts out more heat. Where i live it gets up to 116 f. for those hot days I ride my 1000 vstrom or a air conditioned car, mostly the car..The GL1200 that sucker gets hot.
I’ve got an ‘05 ST1300, after changing the thermostat my bike is noticeably cooler running. With a broken thermostat the bike never takes off the choke, and so it runs lean and therefore very hot.
But then you still have to contend with the lack of power from a dual counterbalanced inline four. (don't let those get out of synch or you've got a bike only your Wife will love due to the vibration ) 😉. I've owned two of them...
More thoughts on the heat under the seat. No one has ever sat one the back of mine what if you remove it? I might see if I can find a old pillion remove the padding and cover then drill a bunch of holes in it. Make a rack out of it.
Opening quote to your video "It's been a record year for heat", well you come over to the UK and there's pretty much zero heat, it's been raining all summer....... F@#king weather.......
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Hi Rod, I have just purchased a 2011 Honda ST1300 and am thinking of changing the standard tail pipes. Are the catalytic converters built into the standard mufflers, or are they built into the header pipes, as i believe their removal also helps with the reduction of heat generated by the motor. The standard mufflers do stifle the sound and make it sound like a wet fart almost, Cheers and love your videos.
I’ve got the exact bike as yourself and have a set of Two Brothers exhaust and after market Leather Sargent Seat with special super cell premium foam with deeper pocket. Both the seat and exhaust came with the bike and I’ve never really noticed any excessive heat coming from the bike, but I rarely run in Urban Environments. I’m totally with you on the aftermarket exhaust for St 1300, since I can keep the speed down and know what gear I’m in by the sound of the bike. The Two Brothers just gives me that Honda Growl and totally compliments The V 4.
1 - I have a massive burn on my shin from the heat off the engine. Can you point me in a direction to begin looking? In other forums I've been accused of living about the burn. I did buy high boots and that lessened the area of burn, but did not cease the burning. 2 - I was going to wrap my pipes, but was warned about the pipes possibly cracking. What gives? Is that something to worry about?
Hi Rob Never seen anything that bad from an ST1300, I've owned three of them and logged thousands of miles. I think your issue is the exhaust header, the collector for the two pipes is right under your foot, my legs are short so my stance is wide when I put my foot down. If your burn did not come from the header collector or crossover section under the middle of the bike, I would for sure wrap the headers all the way to the crossover pipe. Everyone has an opinion but if your choice is replacing the headers after a few years or the bike is unable to ride because it is burning your leg, it's pretty clear IMO. There are lots of used parts for this bike on the market for cheap. I personally think this is all bullSH*T and is a comment from someone who 1. Has no first hand experience from wrapping a header and 2. Just a contrary clickbait argument. I've wrapped headers on cars and bikes, never seen a failure that was not due to the wrap falling apart because is old or was done improperly. The header wrap is not permanent and should be redone every few years but that is pretty cheap too! - Good Luck!
Thanks for the work involved and love the detail that you go into, but I feel you can only really tell what mod is making a what difference if you do the testing one mod at a time - ie what temperature difference would just the wrap make on one side with both stock mufflers, then with one muffler changed, etc. IMHO, I still think that a lot heat is directly transferred from the engine cases to the frame by the riders legs as they are firmly bolted together in at least four places.
Nyce job 👌👍Like yr scientific approach to quantifying results. A lot of suggested mods from pals n other riders are more urban myth than proven science 😁I also like very much that you know of the top parts suppliers, for those might win the prize, in lots of jurisdications EVEN across the pond in the UK 😄Shoot, "ghost bike" is not a Triumph Sprint GT 😔 Why I wanted it to be a Sprint GT, guessing not much demand, is because it has a serious problem with over heating especially in slow traffic. Like a Spitfire 😁on the runway, she overheats badly but when she's taken off she keeps cool n is just a beautful agile flying machine ! Will look through past vlogs but any tips to help cure or even just reduce the amount of over heating ??
Thanks for the feedback. I have not had any issues with Triumph GT/ST 1050 or Speed Trip overheating but I will look into it. Thanks for Liking & Subscribing!
Someone said that if I put exhaust wraps on my bike, the heat being trapped in the pipes will cause the motor to run hotter, and may even melt the factory wire harness, knock sensor wires/switches, and cause all kinds of problems with shorts, and alternator issues. Is this something you experienced in the time you had the ST?
Whoever this is that told you this, do not listen to any advice they give! This is the exact opposite of what the benefits are of wrapping your header pipes. Please think through the logic in this statement, The engine does not run hotter since the exhaust wrap is on the exhaust pipe, not the motor. For decades professional racers have used exhaust wrap to keep engine compartments protected from exhaust heat so things like ignitions and wiring harnesses are better protected from heat. And as I stated in the video, the racer's claim that exhaust moves more quickly through the exhaust system with the header pipe wrapped. This means that more heat is carried away from the engine...
My ST getting hot on fuel tank,after wrapping. Its ok until outside temp reach more than 32C. Pipes are not cooled from the outside air anymore And temp growing up steep. My question Is ...... I'm only one,experience this? By the way,this is very nice video. I dont want hurt enyone. Thank you.
Thanks for the excellent video, Ive just purchased a Pan 1300 with 17000Km almost new, was standing for a long time, Ive have quite a bit of work done to it, reline the tank due to rust, sort out a lot of corrosion issues, the bike is running very well now, but the heat on my shin's is not good to say the least, especially as I live in South Africa where the temps are around the 35c here in summer. Is the exhaust change going to make a significant difference on its own would you say? Ive spent a load of cash on the bike as it is and dont really have it to burn, if its not really going to do the trick?
Hello Mike, yes wrapping the headers and changing to a free flow exhaust will make a big difference for sure! ebay.us/lO2vmh Good Luck with the new bike!
I was thinking the same way. I usually do use my saddle bags on the bike. It seems the suspension likes the extra weight for a softer ride on the 1300. I will do the 18” muffler.
Luv your videos by the way. I’m picking up an anniversary edition Honda VFR800 with the factory bags and a set of Staintune pipes. Can’t wait to put some miles on that one.
I just duct taped cardboard to the gap between the tank and seat. Made a noticeable difference. I make a habit of not riding in traffic. The bike has mainly been for highway weekend commuting (Vancouver to Kelowna) and touring the mountain states of western USA. For the most part, the heat is not an issue at above stuck-in-traffic speeds.
Not really, most ST1100 owners never complain. This being said, the ST1100 is a product of the time it was produced. Carbureted, top heavy, meh brakes and suspension, most you'll find today are in need of $erious expen$e to restore (all old bikes fall into this category). Having rode both bikes, the ST1300 is a my hands down choice, the 1100 is not even comparable. There are also a lot of bikes you can buy that should be newer for the same money BMW R1100RT th-cam.com/video/1y23fS37_k0/w-d-xo.html I know a lot of ST1100 owners love their bike, it is comfortable for a big bike and moves reasonably well for their age. The carbs are complicated and most used ones have lots of use with high miles. Let us know if you're considering one. 👍
I had an 04 Goldwing and was thinking of downsizing a bit to this bike. Is there a difference in the seating position? I have been unable to find and ST to sit on near me.
I have a ST1300PA 2016 left over police bike. I cannot find an aftermarket muffler that match that model. Are you familiar with this model ST1300PA? Thanks
Hi Kevin, I am not familiar with the PA model, based on part number searches and photos there is no difference between the standard and the police model for exhaust or muffler. You can check the ST1100/1300 forums as there will be some riders there who have police spec bikes but even if your bike is slightly modified the standard muffler should bolt in place. - Good Luck!
Thanks for replying. On the aftermarket muffler that you installed you talked about the noise. And to cut the noise down you put the baffles back in. How much does that change the airflow? I know you mentioned that taking the baffles out allows more airflow which in turn produces less heat. Thank you!
@@kevinmortensen7186 Hi Kevin You can see the difference between stock, baffled and baffles out on this video with a db meter along with some other performance updates. th-cam.com/video/HE3_h2I_rK8/w-d-xo.html
Wouldn’t you think modifying the front lower fairing would help to move air around the motor? Did you ever try anything else under the seat? I am picking up a 2007 and in TX I can see the heat may be a problem.
It was cooler on the legs and fairing, much better at low speeds in traffic. Was not as dramatic an effect on the seat at highway speeds in the heat. New ST1300 Video Coming Soon... Thanks for Liking & Subscribing!
Curious if the manifold stays good. Read some things about heat wrap and manifolds holding too much heat. The manifold can become brittle. Anyone here that only tried the heat wrap and not the exhaust?
Manifolds that break down from heat wrap are typically because moisture and dirt get into them. Tightly wrapping will mitigate this, I don't expect any issues as I have had Harley pipes wrapped for years which are much more greatly exposed. Worst case change your wrap every couple of years. Thanks for Liking & subscribing!
@@RodRidesWrenches Manifolds that rusted out are the old school steel pipes with chrome plating, they rusted out even with out wraps. Many people put the wrap on them to hide the rust, causing them to rust even faster. Modern pipes are made of stainless steel and are resistant to rust.
HONDA is built to run, Harleys are built to constantly fix, I choose HONDA because HONDA build the best motorcycles in the world, with precision mathematics.
The only owners that complain are the ones that don't do their maintenance. Good thing this video is for entertainment value only. The explanation about the heat sources is completely incorrect. Go to st-owners and get real solutions.
Thank you, felt instant results on my first ride after wrapping. Totally transformed the comfort level... on a side note the oil filter is on one side and rad hose on the other now have some added protection from the radiant heat also.
Edit... 1st long distance run... absolutely no excess heat, avg 39 mpg at, shall we say ... spirited riding. And no my headers didn't rot and rust off... Highly recommend this mod.
I bought a 2007 ST1300 one year ago this month, I did some minor maintenance on it and changed the oil and filter, as well as the fork fluid. I absolutely love this bike, ive wanted one for years and became very fortunate last year when I was able to locate and purchase a 07 with 30k miles. I ride it daily here in Austen tx and the heat is pretty bad, it almost burns your bum. this winter I plan on doing an exhaust and give the rap a go... my plan is to ride it out to the north west and maybe even Fairbanks. thanx for the vid it really helped me.
I live in Ohio so that pocket of heat feels great in the Spring, Winter and Fall. In Summer I only notice the heat when fully stopped at lights. When she's moving it's unnoticeable and not bad enough to complain about. Owned my 2007 ST1300 for over a decade and still love it.
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I don't even have St1300, but I found your approach illuminating. Thanks.
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Duct tape reflects heat. I just put four layers on all the exhaust pipes, and my helmet. Probably just an urban myth, but it should help some. Great video, thanks !
I had two ST1300s, a used ‘03 and a gorgeous red ‘09. What helped me( I lived in Shreveport while I owned these so my experience was pretty much like you in Austin) was running Mobil One. I learned this running this oil in a Kawasaki Z1. I also ran a Beadrider seat cover so I could keep air under my tail.
I bought the ‘03 with 35k and eventually sold it with 154k before I started listing for the red one. When I bought it I transferred my trailer hitch and bar risers and then had the optional fairing deflection kit added. That Kit really did good things for rain and wind protection.
I always found the wind noise harsh on my modular helmet and running ear plugs helped some but they were still noisy. I have a 2015 Goldwing now so the wind noise is much better.
I have a 2005 in red and I love it. I bought a beaded seat cover at a swap meet for 10 bucks years ago.. really has helped..let's the air get in between me and the seat❤.
I crossed South Dakota in August and my 2007 got really hot. It felt like my calves were roasting over a fire. On the same trip, I melted one of my prescription drugs (small tablets) that I was carrying in the side case.
Bought a stock 2005.Seat position on high mark. Big gaps between the seat and tank. Fried my junk on the first ride. McGiver - Ghetto fix. Remove tank, layers of aluminum foil sheets sealing the gaps between the seat and tank. No more heat issues. Side heat vents are hot on summer days, but ok.
Bought a set of Delkevic long ovals. I don't care if it runs cooler I love the sound. At times the ST can be boring to ride even at surprising speeds, the sound of these pipes fixes that.
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Can you do a video how to remove a alternator on a 2009 Honda st1300pa model?
I enjoyed your video. Please keep the info flowing. I am currently running 2 ST13's,,, a stock 2012,, and a hot rodded 2004,, both Canuck bikes. The '04 has a lot of mod's,, which I will list in a following comment here soon. In moderate Ontario weather,,, I don't have much issue with heat on either bike. Keep up the great video's,,,, I really enjoy them,, and appreciate the amount of effort that you put into producing them.
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I am 5’5” tall and thinking about getting one. So raising the seat is not an option. This vid is a big help.
Thank you for your videos. I don't own a St1300 but I do have CTX1300D and a lot of your videos are helping me to maintain and understand my bike.
Seen the videos....the most effective measure was my ghetto/ Mc Giver aluminum foil layering sealing over the back of the air cleaner and under the seat. It works !!
I don't see any comments about venting the inner cowling to allow more air flow. Did that years ago, I'm in Mississippi, plenty summer heat, but no issues with heat of the ST after cutting 2 in holes in the inner plastic panels, simple and zero cost. Have a Silver 2007, since 2008 bought brand new; 50,000 miles on it and runs great. Only issue i had was the sensor wiring for the radiator fan, had hell getting to it way down in a very tight spot under the gas tank , I do recall, there was a short as the insulation had rubbed off, covered it with insulation Like the heat in the winter! So i did not reduce any radiator heat but did vent off engine block heat from my shins
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Which one.. can you show me the position
You can also get a 3d xxl mesh seat cover for the front seat that helps alot as does mylar under the seat and under the tank
I don't see any comments about venting the inner cowling to allow more air flow. Did that years ago, I'm in Mississippi, plenty summer heat, but no issues with heat of the ST R cutting side 2 in homes in the inner plastic panels, simple and zero cost. Like the heat in the winter!
Can you post pictures on what you did?
2000 Honda VFR 800. Great video. I ride an 05 ST. My tank gets hot AF right in front of the seat. I stay away from it if it is above 90 F outside. Highway pegs help. I live in central Texas where it stays plenty hot for a few months. I have contemplated some of the mods you suggest, but have just learned to live with it. I would like to try a set of those Delkelvics. They sound sweet!
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August, 2021. I took an ST 1300 for a test drive today.The heat issue just kept me from buying that nice original Honda ST 1300 . It is 85° here today, I told the seller that I would not be right back on the test ride. I told him I’ll be gone at least an hour. I got about 15 minutes down the road on a back road that I was traveling 50 to 60 miles an hour with some tree shade, and it felt like when you open the door of an oven on my legs. I open my legs to try to scoop some cool air towards my crotch, and it was hotter because of the air ducted out thru the heat vents..
it is August 2021 here in Pennsylvania. I sold my GL 1800 Goldwing in June, I sold my Moto Guzzi norge in april.. and I sold my 1994 Honda Pacific coast that I commuted on for 24 trouble free years. I just wasn’t riding it and it made me feel bad to go from riding at five or six days a week to one or two days a month.
All three of those bikes did not put out half the heat that the ST 1300 I rode today did. The Honda pacific coast put zero heat on the rider no matter how hot it was out that day. that was quite an accomplishment by the engineers at Honda to duct that heat from the radiator out away from the rider completely.
The ST 1300 I looked at today has 37,000 miles on it, 2005, the original owner, never dropped, it had the special highway pegs, Russell day long seat, two windshields one was real wide, heated grips, it had a trunk, it had a brand new set of Michelin pilots on it, they still had the mold whiskers on them. The exhaust & the intake were totally stock. The bike was not tinkered with.. The asking price was $4600, the bike was dirty, needed detailed…the guy said I am not a motorcycle washer. I’m not either, so that didn’t bother me. I will not buy a motorcycle that the owner pressure washed regularly. Pressure washers destroy motorcycles. I have seen it..
anyway, the heat coming off of that bike was a dealbreaker. My current bike is a Kawasaki Z 400 but I just picked up, 2019. It literally weighs less than a half of what ST 1300 Weighs.. I have done 21 changes to my Kawasaki Z 400 , Gel seat cushion, 2 1/2 inch bar risers, taller windshield, real horns, rubber top foot pegs,Hepco Becker passenger seat replacement rack, givi trunk, magnetic tank bag, foam grips, swingarm spools,, 64 miles per gallon over the first 1500 miles, no heat issues at all, none. I upgraded the shock to a Suzuki GSXR 600 shock, fork caps to adjust spring preload, I’m going to put in upgraded springs in the forks, I got it dialed in. I have to get used to getting hit in the face shield with bugs, and I have to be a little more selective at what I pack in the tankbag and trunk. I used to add things that stayed in there forever like, walking shoes, umbrella, small fold up stool, real eating utensils, motorcycle cover, but I’m gonna have to just take the basics like tire repair kit and electric pump, electric vest, hot and cold weather gloves, face shield cleaning spray and cloths, water, cargo net, baby wipes (they are better by far than toilet paper) tiedowns, paper maps, I prefer them, I like to see where I’m going , not just where I am at the moment.
anyway, for less than $500 I completely transformed my Kawasaki Z 400, which is the same bike as the ninja 400 but it has a standard riding position. I’ve transformed it into a general purpose mule. Insurance for a year with $500,000 liability protection, roadside assistance, trip interruption insurance is $75 a year through Progressive..
so I’m going to pass on that rolling oven ST 1300, the same way I passed on the Kawasaki concourse, and the Yamaha FJR. Those are the only reasons I passed on those bikes is because of the heat..
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My 2011 Concours isn’t bad for heat. They made a lot of improvements over the 2008 and 2009 models. My 2007 ST1300 gets hot enough that it melted a prescription medication that was locked in one of the saddle bags on the first day of a week long trip. Never saw that before on my other bikes.
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it melted a prescription bottle?? wow.. when I took the ST 1300 that I wanted to buy for a test ride. I could feel that that was some serious heat on my shins call me and I was moving constantly on a back road, I was not in stop and go traffic. That’s why I passed on buying that st1300
@@Jodyrides Not the bottle. Just the pills inside the bottle. I had spent the day on the motorcycle traveling at around 70 - 80mph. The cats are in the mufflers under the luggage. On that same ride I had times when my calves felt like they were on a rotisserie. I was wearing an Aerostitch suit. The gauge always read normal when the light was such that I could read it. A few weeks ago I needed a multi tool that was in the left fairing pocket and it was so hot that I could barely hold it. I think that I could cook food in there. Honda definitely could have taken a bit more care in heat management on the ST1300. My ST1100 was never like that and my 2011 Concours14 isn’t like that.
Woww...your experiment is great very informative and very educational for all ST riders..
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Kontour seats are VERY cooling.
Hi Rod
I recently bought a 2008 ST1300.
Never rode one before.
Came off a naked Kwaka Z900RS.
Bike is beautiful.
Went for a ride on a 26c day here in NZs South Island.
Lower legs cooked .
Will do the pipe wrap and looking and buy Delkevic mufflers.
What model is on yours.
With baffles in how is highway noise ?
Like throatier sound than standard but don't want it too noisy either.
Cheers
Love your work
1998 VFR 800? Great video again, loved the on road footage showing the beauty of BC. Didn't see the line green slingshot though, whew!
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Insanely informative. Thank you for all this little details and extra B-roll and all that!! amazing
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Thanks for your version of heat reduction. I really like the comparisons back to back that you do.
As an owner of an 05 and 2012 model, I don't think I heard you mention removing parts of the inner fairing to allow for better air flow.
I had adjustable supertrapp aftermarket exhaust. it decreased performance.
I would use caution and wrapping exhaust as heat and cold cycles cause condensation and results in rust.
Again, I enjoyed your approach
Had mine wrapped 18 years ago, live in high humidity, still waiting for rust!
I have a 84 GL1200 and a 2009 st1300, I think the GL1200 puts out more heat. Where i live it gets up to 116 f. for those hot days I ride my 1000 vstrom or a air conditioned car, mostly the car..The GL1200 that sucker gets hot.
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I read somewhere that the thermostat needs to be changed out on a regular basis because they don’t last long, what’s your opinion?
I’ve got an ‘05 ST1300, after changing the thermostat my bike is noticeably cooler running. With a broken thermostat the bike never takes off the choke, and so it runs lean and therefore very hot.
Fifth generation 98-01 Honda Vfr
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I have an 04. Never felt the heat was an issue. Great bike though.
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Excellent video. Very informative and well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This bike is made to be driven all the way trough Autumn, Winter(no snow) and early Spring. I hate driving it in hot days.
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All the mods needed to reduce the heat problems seems so expensive that simply moving to an Yamaha FJR1300 would be a better solution.
But then you still have to contend with the lack of power from a dual counterbalanced inline four. (don't let those get out of synch or you've got a bike only your Wife will love due to the vibration ) 😉. I've owned two of them...
More thoughts on the heat under the seat. No one has ever sat one the back of mine what if you remove it? I might see if I can find a old pillion remove the padding and cover then drill a bunch of holes in it. Make a rack out of it.
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Opening quote to your video "It's been a record year for heat", well you come over to the UK and there's pretty much zero heat, it's been raining all summer....... F@#king weather.......
Dry F1 Race at Silverstone this year, who would have forecasted that? Send us the rain!
You should all embrace the heat, because you're all going to biker hell! Consider it practice, 😂
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Hi Rod, I have just purchased a 2011 Honda ST1300 and am thinking of changing the standard tail pipes. Are the catalytic converters built into the standard mufflers, or are they built into the header pipes, as i believe their removal also helps with the reduction of heat generated by the motor. The standard mufflers do stifle the sound and make it sound like a wet fart almost, Cheers and love your videos.
tres bonne video merci
Merci beaucoup! Nouvelle vidéo à venir Vendredi
I’ve got the exact bike as yourself and have a set of Two Brothers exhaust and after market Leather Sargent Seat with special super cell premium foam with deeper pocket. Both the seat and exhaust came with the bike and I’ve never really noticed any excessive heat coming from the bike, but I rarely run in Urban Environments. I’m totally with you on the aftermarket exhaust for St 1300, since I can keep the speed down and know what gear I’m in by the sound of the bike.
The Two Brothers just gives me that Honda Growl and totally compliments The V 4.
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1 - I have a massive burn on my shin from the heat off the engine. Can you point me in a direction to begin looking? In other forums I've been accused of living about the burn. I did buy high boots and that lessened the area of burn, but did not cease the burning.
2 - I was going to wrap my pipes, but was warned about the pipes possibly cracking. What gives? Is that something to worry about?
Hi Rob Never seen anything that bad from an ST1300, I've owned three of them and logged thousands of miles. I think your issue is the exhaust header, the collector for the two pipes is right under your foot, my legs are short so my stance is wide when I put my foot down. If your burn did not come from the header collector or crossover section under the middle of the bike, I would for sure wrap the headers all the way to the crossover pipe. Everyone has an opinion but if your choice is replacing the headers after a few years or the bike is unable to ride because it is burning your leg, it's pretty clear IMO. There are lots of used parts for this bike on the market for cheap. I personally think this is all bullSH*T and is a comment from someone who 1. Has no first hand experience from wrapping a header and 2. Just a contrary clickbait argument. I've wrapped headers on cars and bikes, never seen a failure that was not due to the wrap falling apart because is old or was done improperly. The header wrap is not permanent and should be redone every few years but that is pretty cheap too! - Good Luck!
Maybe it's already covered, but you can't use the IR gun to measure the high reflective surfaces on the exhaust and expect representative results.
As a qualified thermographer I am glad to see someone else pointing this out.
Thanks for the work involved and love the detail that you go into, but I feel you can only really tell what mod is making a what difference if you do the testing one mod at a time - ie what temperature difference would just the wrap make on one side with both stock mufflers, then with one muffler changed, etc. IMHO, I still think that a lot heat is directly transferred from the engine cases to the frame by the riders legs as they are firmly bolted together in at least four places.
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Hi from USA.
Great video. Can you post a link to where you bought the wrap?
Ebay.
www.ebay.ca/str/hockeygrandpa
Nyce job 👌👍Like yr scientific approach to quantifying results. A lot of suggested mods from pals n other riders are more urban myth than proven science 😁I also like very much that you know of the top parts suppliers, for those might win the prize, in lots of jurisdications EVEN across the pond in the UK 😄Shoot, "ghost bike" is not a Triumph Sprint GT 😔 Why I wanted it to be a Sprint GT, guessing not much demand, is because it has a serious problem with over heating especially in slow traffic. Like a Spitfire 😁on the runway, she overheats badly but when she's taken off she keeps cool n is just a beautful agile flying machine ! Will look through past vlogs but any tips to help cure or even just reduce the amount of over heating ??
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Someone said that if I put exhaust wraps on my bike, the heat being trapped in the pipes will cause the motor to run hotter, and may even melt the factory wire harness, knock sensor wires/switches, and cause all kinds of problems with shorts, and alternator issues.
Is this something you experienced in the time you had the ST?
Whoever this is that told you this, do not listen to any advice they give! This is the exact opposite of what the benefits are of wrapping your header pipes. Please think through the logic in this statement, The engine does not run hotter since the exhaust wrap is on the exhaust pipe, not the motor. For decades professional racers have used exhaust wrap to keep engine compartments protected from exhaust heat so things like ignitions and wiring harnesses are better protected from heat. And as I stated in the video, the racer's claim that exhaust moves more quickly through the exhaust system with the header pipe wrapped. This means that more heat is carried away from the engine...
My ST getting hot on fuel tank,after wrapping.
Its ok until outside temp reach more than 32C.
Pipes are not cooled from the outside air anymore And temp growing up steep.
My question Is ......
I'm only one,experience this?
By the way,this is very nice video. I dont want hurt enyone. Thank you.
Thanks for the excellent video, Ive just purchased a Pan 1300 with 17000Km almost new, was standing for a long time, Ive have quite a bit of work done to it, reline the tank due to rust, sort out a lot of corrosion issues, the bike is running very well now, but the heat on my shin's is not good to say the least, especially as I live in South Africa where the temps are around the 35c here in summer.
Is the exhaust change going to make a significant difference on its own would you say?
Ive spent a load of cash on the bike as it is and dont really have it to burn, if its not really going to do the trick?
Hello Mike, yes wrapping the headers and changing to a free flow exhaust will make a big difference for sure! ebay.us/lO2vmh Good Luck with the new bike!
Man, awesome video.
Thanks!
Rod. I have a K1300GT and will be changing the muffler for a Delvonic muffler. Would you reccomend the 13” or 18” muffler?
If you ride with panniers then take the longer muffler so your exhaust is not cooking your bag everytime you are stopped in traffic.
I was thinking the same way. I usually do use my saddle bags on the bike. It seems the suspension likes the extra weight for a softer ride on the 1300. I will do the 18” muffler.
Luv your videos by the way. I’m picking up an anniversary edition Honda VFR800 with the factory bags and a set of Staintune pipes. Can’t wait to put some miles on that one.
I just duct taped cardboard to the gap between the tank and seat. Made a noticeable difference.
I make a habit of not riding in traffic. The bike has mainly been for highway weekend commuting (Vancouver to Kelowna) and touring the mountain states of western USA. For the most part, the heat is not an issue at above stuck-in-traffic speeds.
Does the ST1100 have same or comparable heat problems as the ST1300 ?
Not really, most ST1100 owners never complain. This being said, the ST1100 is a product of the time it was produced. Carbureted, top heavy, meh brakes and suspension, most you'll find today are in need of $erious expen$e to restore (all old bikes fall into this category). Having rode both bikes, the ST1300 is a my hands down choice, the 1100 is not even comparable. There are also a lot of bikes you can buy that should be newer for the same money BMW R1100RT th-cam.com/video/1y23fS37_k0/w-d-xo.html I know a lot of ST1100 owners love their bike, it is comfortable for a big bike and moves reasonably well for their age. The carbs are complicated and most used ones have lots of use with high miles. Let us know if you're considering one. 👍
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The bike to guess is a Gen 5 or 6 VFR800.
I had an 04 Goldwing and was thinking of downsizing a bit to this bike. Is there a difference in the seating position? I have been unable to find and ST to sit on near me.
Thanks for the question. The seating position is different but IMO much better, I explain here th-cam.com/video/T-dD5gfh56Q/w-d-xo.html
I have a ST1300PA 2016 left over police bike. I cannot find an aftermarket muffler that match that model. Are you familiar with this model ST1300PA?
Thanks
Hi Kevin, I am not familiar with the PA model, based on part number searches and photos there is no difference between the standard and the police model for exhaust or muffler. You can check the ST1100/1300 forums as there will be some riders there who have police spec bikes but even if your bike is slightly modified the standard muffler should bolt in place. - Good Luck!
Thanks for replying.
On the aftermarket muffler that you installed you talked about the noise.
And to cut the noise down you put the baffles back in. How much does that change the airflow? I know you mentioned that taking the baffles out allows more airflow which in turn produces less heat.
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@@kevinmortensen7186 Hi Kevin You can see the difference between stock, baffled and baffles out on this video with a db meter along with some other performance updates. th-cam.com/video/HE3_h2I_rK8/w-d-xo.html
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Wouldn’t you think modifying the front lower fairing would help to move air around the motor?
Did you ever try anything else under the seat? I am picking up a 2007 and in TX I can see the heat may be a problem.
So after you got all the Tupperware back on, did it still stay cool, especially in the seat/tank area?
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@@RodRidesWrenches Thank you for the response still on the fence about doing this or not. I really enjoy your video's top-notch!
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I noticed you have a mudflap extension on the front wheel , please tell me where did you find that ?
here you go ebay.us/qVwkKm
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For the competition: that looks like a first gen 1998-2001 Honda Vfr800!
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Curious if the manifold stays good. Read some things about heat wrap and manifolds holding too much heat. The manifold can become brittle. Anyone here that only tried the heat wrap and not the exhaust?
Manifolds that break down from heat wrap are typically because moisture and dirt get into them. Tightly wrapping will mitigate this, I don't expect any issues as I have had Harley pipes wrapped for years which are much more greatly exposed. Worst case change your wrap every couple of years. Thanks for Liking & subscribing!
@@RodRidesWrenches Manifolds that rusted out are the old school steel pipes with chrome plating, they rusted out even with out wraps. Many people put the wrap on them to hide the rust, causing them to rust even faster. Modern pipes are made of stainless steel and are resistant to rust.
Yes. 18 years on the wrap....no rust or breakage due to brittleness.
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HONDA is built to run, Harleys are built to constantly fix, I choose HONDA because HONDA build the best motorcycles in the world, with precision mathematics.
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The only owners that complain are the ones that don't do their maintenance. Good thing this video is for entertainment value only. The explanation about the heat sources is completely incorrect. Go to st-owners and get real solutions.
VFR800
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"Delke(l)vic" you say.
That (l) just doesn't exist.
Rather be hot than listen to those pipes. Just wrong on this bike.
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