@@Yesterzine That would make perfect sense. Also the guide misses a pickup on the first level. I remember I had a walkthrough for TR1 and 2. Nell McAndrew was the cover model. She also seemed to have had an allergic reaction to something that day or something.
Nice Video. Just one thing about Mario Games being Lanch Tiles. Nethier Sunshine, Odyssey and Galaxy (one of the best games ever made) where Lanch Tiles. The Gamecube Lanched with Luigi's Mansion (Sort of a Mario game, Maybe?) and both the Wii and Switch Lanched with Zelda Tiles. Also, Impact Racing getting a higher Score than Command and Conquer seems insane to me.
Sunshine was in the UK, taking the launch window as the traditional 6 months but you absolutely have me on the other 2. I can use Wii Sports as a defence for Galaxy but you'd really think I'd have noticed waiting for Odyssey given that's when I bought my Switch and I didn't get it dead on launch.
Did you know that Virtua Fighter Remix was ready before the Saturn launch in Japan, but they still opted to launching the glitchy, uglier version anyways, just because they were SEGA? I didn't believe it myself at first, but it's true, SEGA's leaked docs and even easier to find, the disc files dates show this.
I'm not surprised, the right thing to do would have been to junk the "beta" (as I understand it there's not the gameplay differences of Daytona) but you need to convince management to "throw away" that money.
Another belter of an episode, Dudley! Saturn Plus is another one I didn't know was a thing until this ep. I can't think of a more tragic mag tho with its speedrunning the decline of a magazine phase. Poor thing.
Damn you yesterzine!! I have been trying to get my hands on a copy of issue 6 of Saturn+ for literally DECADES!! Also, it may well have reviewed Tomb Raider in issue 5, but it was VERY late to the Party - the cover date is december/january 1996/97 - Indeed I had completed the game within a month of it's launch and other magazines had started printing in-depth guides (I know, because at this point I had begun trying to complete the game with all the secrets!!). Indeed, the 'exclusive maps' were obviously done for the Powerstation special from Paragon (as all of the pictures are from the Playstation version of the game). same goes for the photoshoot I'd imagine, because as you correctly summarised, the publisher had obviously already given up on Saturn+ months before!! Very valid points for everything covered here gamewise, especially the Daytona coverage - pro-tip for Nights (besides buying a proper 3D pad) use boost more to keep your speed up!! Cheers anyway!! Seriously though - I really need issue 6!!
If you search for "Saturn Plus" on archive.org you'll find all but issue 3, so I can help there at least. I should have twigged that timing issue, and it really doesn't surprise me they half inched the existing guide. No wonder they took their names off the bloody thing.
Great ep, and two Simpsons references too (technically correct & put it in H). I do hope that Super Polygon Grand Prix gets a console peasant release, looks absolutely brilliant.
Excellent stuff. Very exciting to see the mythical post-issue 2 era I had no idea existed. Breathtakingly cynical stuff, I had completely forgotten that issue 2 reprinted all the reviews from issue 1 and changed the Johnny Bazookatone score though now that you've reminded me I think I was dimly aware that that had happened. I mean, I had both issues so I guess I must have been. So... Game Mania next?
@@Yesterzine Ooh, nice. Still have the old Gamecube set up on the CRT, one of my special favourites. Think it was the first console I bought with my own money from my job, as opposed to the previous ones which had been presents from the parents.
It's always a sad state of affairs that they tried to make a magazine but couldn't find any of their staff actually willing to work on it to the point the ones that did wouldn't even put their names on it. They were simply fulfilling their obligation. They could have at least tried to hire people that have a genuine interest in the Saturn but it really does show even just a year after it was released in the UK it was already pretty much dead and even the writers could see it was a waste of time writing a magazine that probably wasn't selling.
The Saturn died quick sure but it definitely didn't die as quick as Paragon seemed to think. I'm sure the sales didn't help but they seem to have been half arsing this one at corporate level right from the start and I wonder if there's a way to blame Dave Perry somehow.
I got some of my dates wrong but the DS wasn't part of the list not being a home console. I actually disagree with both yours, the Wii U DID launch with New Super Mario Bros U and in the UK, always the reference for this show unless stated, Sunshine was a launch window game albeit not day 1.
Yeah you can certainly change the date on a Saturn and do that, it's got no online way of verifying you're lying to it. Until I got annoyed and remembered the change the battery my Saturn was asking me the date on startup for years :D
As a (driving game) casual I always found Saturn Vanilla Daytona a solid 15 minutes of fun every time, especially with the Arcade Racer. I wasn't even aware of the remix; which seems less surprising as it's not available to buy on the X or PS3 stores, and CEX and eBay seem to have never heard of it either. Any idea how one gets to play it (and don't say Steam; I'm running a 386 here... ;-)?
14:45 Tempted to start adding letters to my name to commemorate things in my life now. After years of having to tell people "It's not Phillip" I can say instead "it's Phillllip!" Curious on your thoughts on Galaxy 2 given your comments on Galaxy 1, do you not count it? See it as an improvement? Didn't feel like playing it? The only other magazine I am aware of that reprinted the level of content we see in Saturn+ early on is a non-gaming example, namely an official magazine targeting new American viewers to the Matt Smith era of Doctor Who, called Doctor Who Insider. Panini released a best-of special for the magazine... after only four 44-page issues. Like Saturn+ it was not long for this world, being cancelled after issue 9, and an attempted relaunch the following year only generated a single Winter 2012 special that was essentially just #10.
Never played Galaxy 2. Tbf I'm not actually claiming Galaxy is bad but I could never get on with the tiny stages thing both at the time and 20 years later on Switch.
Did...did you really reference the Gameboy version of Race Drivin' when talking about Daytona?!? I mean, I've never played that version, but the only thing I thought those games had in common was that they were from the same genre...allegedly.
I did and I stand by it. The similarity is both do an uncommonly good job of translating an analogue arcade source to digital. Race Drivin game boy (by Argonaut) is my favourite version of that game.
At 15:34 I thought for a second you said "tits section". Given this was the era of the lad mag I did have to go back and double check rather then just assuming i'd missheard.
@@Yesterzine Very enjoyable episode BTW, I do like the Saturn, poor thing never stood a chance, but I liked it none the less. Never did own one, but I did for a brief while own the 3d/2d/sound card based around some of its chips for the PC. Its key selling feature being the Sega games that where ported to it. The Sega games where ok ports, and they did look a lot better than the regular PC ports, but it was not a good sound card, and it was a fecking awful 2d card. They did not include a hardware character generator, so text output was done purely in software, which meant in DOS and Linux displaying pages of text was slow and laggy, and basically unusable. Which given I was doing my comp sci degree at the time, and spent more time in Linux (with bits of DOS) doing work, than in win95 running games it had to go. I wish I have kept in now, as they sell for crazy money on eBay, thanks to it being the only way to run those versions of the games from Sega, and an LGR video bring it to everyone's attention.
Yeah it's a lovely machine and I stand by the early lineup being mostly better. Just of course as it didn't get the sales, the 3rd parties went away. I frequently have the Saturn plugged in but haven't had PS1 hardware in operation for some time.
@@Yesterzine There are so many emulation options for PS1 that just work flawlessly, so most the PS1 things I play (and there are not a lot now) I just run on the retropi I have plugged into my TV. The only retro console I have plugged into my TV all the time is my CD32, everything else to gets plugged in for a bit, then packed away.
If it's a veiled crack at me, Nights was mentioned in episode 6 but needed to be explained again in order for Christmas Nights to make sense, and I've mentioned the fact Tomb Raider was an exclusive in side video years ago but that's not what that section was about. Unless you mean that I once talked about the Daytonas on an entirely different channel, also a very long time ago.
@@Yesterzine Please don't dare even mention the same game twice, on your completely free and utterly wonderful channel that I don't think you force anyone to watch, ever again or you risk receiving a snide reprimand in the comments. Ignore this person, this is brilliant stuff as always!
Also, while I'm here, can all of your future episodes please also include a couple of minutes of C64 Cisco Heat footage at the start too (it's truly a high watermark in game graphics, in its own special way)?
Another belting issue, Dudley. At least the bored tomb raider lady had done her hair in a nice plait. Knights into Dreams does look ace!
Another commentator pointed out the guide and the model might be reused from one of their playstation mags, which would explain a hair budget :D
@@Yesterzine That would make perfect sense. Also the guide misses a pickup on the first level.
I remember I had a walkthrough for TR1 and 2. Nell McAndrew was the cover model. She also seemed to have had an allergic reaction to something that day or something.
Nice Video. Just one thing about Mario Games being Lanch Tiles. Nethier Sunshine, Odyssey and Galaxy (one of the best games ever made) where Lanch Tiles. The Gamecube Lanched with Luigi's Mansion (Sort of a Mario game, Maybe?) and both the Wii and Switch Lanched with Zelda Tiles.
Also, Impact Racing getting a higher Score than Command and Conquer seems insane to me.
Sunshine was in the UK, taking the launch window as the traditional 6 months but you absolutely have me on the other 2. I can use Wii Sports as a defence for Galaxy but you'd really think I'd have noticed waiting for Odyssey given that's when I bought my Switch and I didn't get it dead on launch.
@@Yesterzinewaiting for Odyssey to launch to get the switch is exactly why I did remember that one 😂
Did you know that Virtua Fighter Remix was ready before the Saturn launch in Japan, but they still opted to launching the glitchy, uglier version anyways, just because they were SEGA? I didn't believe it myself at first, but it's true, SEGA's leaked docs and even easier to find, the disc files dates show this.
I'm not surprised, the right thing to do would have been to junk the "beta" (as I understand it there's not the gameplay differences of Daytona) but you need to convince management to "throw away" that money.
@@Yesterzine There's this Pandamonium channel covering all US Saturn releases, if you haven't checked that, look for the VF focused video.
Sega Lord X feels Sega should’ve included VF1’s content in the Saturn port of VF2 and called it Virtua Fighter 2 Deluxe!
Another belter of an episode, Dudley! Saturn Plus is another one I didn't know was a thing until this ep. I can't think of a more tragic mag tho with its speedrunning the decline of a magazine phase. Poor thing.
It's weird isn't it? It's like a 70 issue story told over about 3!
Damn you yesterzine!! I have been trying to get my hands on a copy of issue 6 of Saturn+ for literally DECADES!! Also, it may well have reviewed Tomb Raider in issue 5, but it was VERY late to the Party - the cover date is december/january 1996/97 - Indeed I had completed the game within a month of it's launch and other magazines had started printing in-depth guides (I know, because at this point I had begun trying to complete the game with all the secrets!!). Indeed, the 'exclusive maps' were obviously done for the Powerstation special from Paragon (as all of the pictures are from the Playstation version of the game). same goes for the photoshoot I'd imagine, because as you correctly summarised, the publisher had obviously already given up on Saturn+ months before!!
Very valid points for everything covered here gamewise, especially the Daytona coverage - pro-tip for Nights (besides buying a proper 3D pad) use boost more to keep your speed up!!
Cheers anyway!! Seriously though - I really need issue 6!!
If you search for "Saturn Plus" on archive.org you'll find all but issue 3, so I can help there at least. I should have twigged that timing issue, and it really doesn't surprise me they half inched the existing guide. No wonder they took their names off the bloody thing.
I always sense a butt approaching lol x Great vid as always x
Is that because there's always a butt approaching?
You have a great sense of humor btw. Hope you’re channel continues to grow
Me too!
Great ep, and two Simpsons references too (technically correct & put it in H). I do hope that Super Polygon Grand Prix gets a console peasant release, looks absolutely brilliant.
You'd have to ask Rozz but I don't think it's ruled out. It's not as nailed on as me constantly using Simpsons references from the golden age mind...
Excellent stuff. Very exciting to see the mythical post-issue 2 era I had no idea existed. Breathtakingly cynical stuff, I had completely forgotten that issue 2 reprinted all the reviews from issue 1 and changed the Johnny Bazookatone score though now that you've reminded me I think I was dimly aware that that had happened. I mean, I had both issues so I guess I must have been.
So... Game Mania next?
We're getting out of that period now.... for a bit at least. Next month is actually Gamecube based...
@@Yesterzine Ooh, nice. Still have the old Gamecube set up on the CRT, one of my special favourites. Think it was the first console I bought with my own money from my job, as opposed to the previous ones which had been presents from the parents.
Always a good memory, mine was a PS1.
It's always a sad state of affairs that they tried to make a magazine but couldn't find any of their staff actually willing to work on it to the point the ones that did wouldn't even put their names on it. They were simply fulfilling their obligation. They could have at least tried to hire people that have a genuine interest in the Saturn but it really does show even just a year after it was released in the UK it was already pretty much dead and even the writers could see it was a waste of time writing a magazine that probably wasn't selling.
The Saturn died quick sure but it definitely didn't die as quick as Paragon seemed to think. I'm sure the sales didn't help but they seem to have been half arsing this one at corporate level right from the start and I wonder if there's a way to blame Dave Perry somehow.
Should we start a spinoff Yesterzine series where we look exclusively at issues of Alien Encounters Magazine?
I do kinda want to get hold of one, but while games mag archiving is spotty I bet none of those got scanned.
Multiple Nintendo consoles didn't launch with a Mario - GameCube and Wii U for sure. Switch. DS. Pretty sure 3DS didn't.
I got some of my dates wrong but the DS wasn't part of the list not being a home console. I actually disagree with both yours, the Wii U DID launch with New Super Mario Bros U and in the UK, always the reference for this show unless stated, Sunshine was a launch window game albeit not day 1.
INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAAAAAY
It's still in my head!
This gave me a flash back memory that may be false. I think we changed the date on our Saturn to affect Nights so we could see the Christmas content.
Yeah you can certainly change the date on a Saturn and do that, it's got no online way of verifying you're lying to it. Until I got annoyed and remembered the change the battery my Saturn was asking me the date on startup for years :D
What about the *Japanese* Daytona USA: Circuit Edition? I read that it's more refined over the international CCE.
I haven't played that one so I'm not sure but I think it's just "more graphics work" but is otherwise broadly "our" CCE.
As a (driving game) casual I always found Saturn Vanilla Daytona a solid 15 minutes of fun every time, especially with the Arcade Racer. I wasn't even aware of the remix; which seems less surprising as it's not available to buy on the X or PS3 stores, and CEX and eBay seem to have never heard of it either. Any idea how one gets to play it (and don't say Steam; I'm running a 386 here... ;-)?
I don't think you can other than maybe on a 360 itself., isn't licencing wonderful? It never had a physical release or a PC one.
14:45 Tempted to start adding letters to my name to commemorate things in my life now. After years of having to tell people "It's not Phillip" I can say instead "it's Phillllip!"
Curious on your thoughts on Galaxy 2 given your comments on Galaxy 1, do you not count it? See it as an improvement? Didn't feel like playing it?
The only other magazine I am aware of that reprinted the level of content we see in Saturn+ early on is a non-gaming example, namely an official magazine targeting new American viewers to the Matt Smith era of Doctor Who, called Doctor Who Insider. Panini released a best-of special for the magazine... after only four 44-page issues. Like Saturn+ it was not long for this world, being cancelled after issue 9, and an attempted relaunch the following year only generated a single Winter 2012 special that was essentially just #10.
Never played Galaxy 2. Tbf I'm not actually claiming Galaxy is bad but I could never get on with the tiny stages thing both at the time and 20 years later on Switch.
Did...did you really reference the Gameboy version of Race Drivin' when talking about Daytona?!? I mean, I've never played that version, but the only thing I thought those games had in common was that they were from the same genre...allegedly.
I did and I stand by it. The similarity is both do an uncommonly good job of translating an analogue arcade source to digital. Race Drivin game boy (by Argonaut) is my favourite version of that game.
At 15:34 I thought for a second you said "tits section". Given this was the era of the lad mag I did have to go back and double check rather then just assuming i'd missheard.
I mean, the name of the episode would have implied as such at least.
Given you have a copy of issues 2 and 4 you might have the majority of the content of issue 3.
That is.... a point I hadn't considered :D
@@Yesterzine Very enjoyable episode BTW, I do like the Saturn, poor thing never stood a chance, but I liked it none the less. Never did own one, but I did for a brief while own the 3d/2d/sound card based around some of its chips for the PC. Its key selling feature being the Sega games that where ported to it. The Sega games where ok ports, and they did look a lot better than the regular PC ports, but it was not a good sound card, and it was a fecking awful 2d card. They did not include a hardware character generator, so text output was done purely in software, which meant in DOS and Linux displaying pages of text was slow and laggy, and basically unusable. Which given I was doing my comp sci degree at the time, and spent more time in Linux (with bits of DOS) doing work, than in win95 running games it had to go. I wish I have kept in now, as they sell for crazy money on eBay, thanks to it being the only way to run those versions of the games from Sega, and an LGR video bring it to everyone's attention.
Yeah it's a lovely machine and I stand by the early lineup being mostly better. Just of course as it didn't get the sales, the 3rd parties went away. I frequently have the Saturn plugged in but haven't had PS1 hardware in operation for some time.
@@Yesterzine There are so many emulation options for PS1 that just work flawlessly, so most the PS1 things I play (and there are not a lot now) I just run on the retropi I have plugged into my TV. The only retro console I have plugged into my TV all the time is my CD32, everything else to gets plugged in for a bit, then packed away.
Is Saturn plus issue 2 the only thing here reusing features?
If it's a veiled crack at me, Nights was mentioned in episode 6 but needed to be explained again in order for Christmas Nights to make sense, and I've mentioned the fact Tomb Raider was an exclusive in side video years ago but that's not what that section was about. Unless you mean that I once talked about the Daytonas on an entirely different channel, also a very long time ago.
@@Yesterzine Please don't dare even mention the same game twice, on your completely free and utterly wonderful channel that I don't think you force anyone to watch, ever again or you risk receiving a snide reprimand in the comments. Ignore this person, this is brilliant stuff as always!
Also, while I'm here, can all of your future episodes please also include a couple of minutes of C64 Cisco Heat footage at the start too (it's truly a high watermark in game graphics, in its own special way)?