I grew up being a huge Star Wars fan and felt like it was the only fictional universe that really made me feel something. I was aware of 40k because of Dawn of War but I didn’t really understand it and thought it was a silly over the top universe. 5 years ago TH-cam recommended me a luetin09 video about the worst jobs in the imperium and I was shocked to learn how in depth the lore was and also the pit of dread it put in my stomach. Then I read those first 3 Horus Heresy books… I thought order 66 was heartbreaking
ORDER 66 IS JUST THE GOVERNMENT taking care of their space wizards The Istvaan III Atrocity is more gut wrenching bc they are clean their Legions of Loyal Servants of the Emperor and they pinned them down on the planet they also hold on for month unlike the Jedi's silly deaths
Wow you know what's crazy? I had always been a loose fan of wh40k, like "Fuck yeah Blood Angles, for the Emporer" But I really had no idea. It wasn' t until I saw Luetin's video about the worst jobs in the Imperium that I was like "Holy shit there's more to this universe than just a tabletop game?". Been sucking down lore ever since, can't get enough. RIP Rylanor.
"Did we hurt them, captain? Did this mean anything?" Perhaps one of the most human desires imaginable: Willingness to sacrifice one's life but needing it to mean something.
@@thelurkerbel0w Every loyalist on Istvaan III died a testament to their legions true soul. Every traitor they killed would not set foot on another loyal planet. Every live they traded would be one less storming the walls of the Imperial Palace. They might've tipped the scale, right then and there already. They hurt them. It means enough.
the short answer is yes. The traitors felt the sting of defiance and were stuck for I think it was three months in a drawn-out campaign on Istvan III and in those three months Garro made it to Dorn and the praetorian began his work of fortifying the Imperial Palace. those three months bought the imperium time, time that they desperately needed.
@@tarektechmarine8209 I recall listening to an audio book on world eaters, just past the heresy - there was one berzerker ; chained up and bound , howling at the techmarine to release him so he might feed the nails The techmarine was lamenting the fact that many "sane" warriors died in the last engagement and this frothfing berzerker whos "a blood mad hound" somehow survived. The Berzerker replied "your hound howls too, only you've built an iron cage around it"
I don't remember the book, but I remember one line. It was after the initial plan to wipe out the loyalists on III failed and Angron lost his shit and took the Traitor World Eaters planetside. Angron immediately attacked the World Eaters on the ground in a full assault. Outnumbered 3 to one, the loyalist leader rallied a counter attack and literally charged at his own Primarch and traitor Gene-Father as he shouted one word: "DIE!"
@@SeasonsMad042 I remeber that part, Saul was there, but the world eater told him to flee that this isn't his fight iirc that was the first time a marine ever fought a primarch and Saul was shaken by it but those world eaters hated their farther and just rushed him... Pretty sure all of them died but thays why I love the world eaters they don't flinch at a hard job.
@@SeasonsMad042 "Why?" I snarl thickly through the pain and the blood, all of my fury and despair surging up to force the question into being. "Father, why have you turned against - " "No." The primarch growls as he lowers Gorefather, his lips lifting in scorn to expose his dark metal teeth, his bloodshot eyes narrowing in contempt. A single swift blow to the chest and I am hurled backwards, the air driven clean from my birth-lungs, my breastplate riven asunder, my carapace crushed. "No, Verus. Too many have already squandered their last moments asking me that wretched question and I am tired of explaining myself." He bends over me, the full force of his regard almost impossible to endure. "Instead, I will ask the questions. Tell me, Verus, why did you not resist when I gave the order to have the Butcher's Nails introduced throughout the Legion? Why did you volunteer instead to have your brain cut open and the Nails implanted?" I can barely comprehend the question; my thoughts are fracturing. My jaws gape as I struggle to draw in a single sawing breath. Death snaps eagerly at my throat, mere heartbeats away. "You are my primarch…" I gasp, "…my progenitor; my liege and my general. How could I have gone against your will? I thought the Nails would bring me closer to you! You are - " *"- A SLAVE!"* Angron bellows, his rage rising, his tortured face a perfect reflection of my own. "I am a slave, Verus! And I was so close to dying free - free and fighting alongside my true brothers and sisters against the tyrannical High Riders of Nuceria! That would have been a fitting end! But then the Emperor spirited me away, forcing me to leave my comrades-in-arms behind to be slaughtered, forsaken and unmourned. And what did I inherit from Him in exchange? An entire Legion of dogs - obedient groveling war-hounds, most of whom rolled right over and submitted to the implantation of the Nails without resistance; a Legion of cowardly curs who have the audacity to call themselves my sons!" His pain-filled eyes ablaze with fervor, the primarch leans in closer as if to confide a long-held secret. His breath reeks of blood and spoiled meat. "A true son would have stood up to his father at the prospect of such defilement; a true son would have spat in my face and damned me to hell rather then willingly surrender his freedom. Yet you did not. You are no true son of mine, Sergeant Verus. You are a thrall, a thrall to the greatest High Rider this galaxy has ever known. But I will be my Father's slave no longer - and neither will the World Eaters. So die as the Emperor's dog, Verus. Die forsaken and unmourned, just as my gladiators died on Nuceria fighting in futility for a chance to be free. You will not be missed." I am sinking downwards into darkness. Angron straightens, preparing to turn away. With the last of my strength I find my courage and spit out three words with my final breath - three words I have carried deep within me ever since the day I had emerged from the surgical chambers of the Conqueror's apothecarion after having received the Nails; three words nurtured in bitter secrecy throughout hundreds of campaigns and thousands of battles; three words no Space Marine of the Legiones Astartes has ever said to the face of their primarch: *”I hate you."* And as death's jaws close about me, something flickers in the depths of Angron's eyes, something I have always yearned to see, despite the pain and the madness and the disregard he has inflicted upon us; something I long for even at the end, as I breathe my last in a graveyard-city of broken oaths and shattered dreams. In my Father's eyes I finally see it, before the darkness takes me... Approval.
@@murphyjackedoff5970 It wasnt in vain. He hurt Fulgrim in a way that the warp cant heal. He hurt his pride by rejecting him and even turning some thousand sons loyal again. And that will stick with Fulgrim forever.
‘Part of me wishes I could, sir,’ said Loken. ‘Believe me, I want the warmth that being part of something greater brings. I want to belong. I had that with the Legion, but you took that away from me when you stabbed us all in the back.’ ‘No,’ said Horus. ‘Garviel, no. That’s not-’ But Loken wasn’t about to stop now. ‘Turning my back on everything I knew, being cut off from the Legion that made me who I am? That was the worst moment of my life. It drove me insane. More than Tarik’s death or being buried alive on Isstvan, it was the heartbreak and yawning emptiness that finally broke me.’ ‘Then come back to me, Garviel,’ said Horus. ‘Feel that warmth again, don’t you want to be part of the greatest endeavour the galaxy has ever seen?’ ‘I already was,’ said Loken, turning his back on Horus. ‘It was called the Great Crusade.’ Garviel Loken - Luna Wolf and loyal servant of the Emperor.
I don't have the words to express how much I *H-A-T-E* gaslighters like Horus. It's a fictional story, but how many times have parallel words come from the mouths of traitors thoughout real history and even from those in your own life?
@@7F0X7 And just like that, this moment has become infinitely so much more tragic. The heinousness of the betrayal, and how those sons who remained Loyal to The Dream of a Humanity Reunited must have felt. It's excruciating to think about how someone whom you were not only born to serve but to revere, idolize, and glorify on a raw genetic level could have felt when the bombs started falling. It's wrong. It's so, so unfathomably wrong.
The loyalists from the traitor legions are some of the biggest badasses in the 40k universe. They didn’t blindly follow their daddy around like their brothers and cousins in both the loyalist and traitor legions, they followed what they believed to be true and honorable in the face of certain death.
The vast majority were Terran-born Astartes, iirc. Loyal to the idea of the Imperium over their gene-fathers. Loyal to the Truth over the Creed. Loyal to the Emperor, and above all else, loyal to the Imperium.
They where probably singled out before Istvann because they where paragons. After Istvann I imagine the degree of betrayal had fueled them to be greater warriors.
He's right, they hurt Traitors there. They tied their forces there for three months, hurt their numbers and gave Eisenstein chance to get to Terra. Istvaan III was a Loyalist victory.
not only was istvaan III a loyalist victory but probably one of the most important battles of the entire horus heresy because like you said if garrow never made it to dorn or back to terra they would have never have known what horus and the rest of the traitors were up too and might never have figured it out until it was too late. Horus was every primarchs friend and they all loved him back too because he was so charismatic and likable, so much so in fact that dorn didn't believe garrow when he said that horus had turned traitor and had backhanded him so hard he flew across the room and threatened to kill him on the spot for daring to say such things about the warmaster.
"The World Eaters did not fight with the perfection of the Emperor’s Children. They fought with anger and hatred, with brutality and the lust for destruction.And they fought with more hatred than ever before against their own, against the battle-brothers they had warred alongside for years.Tarvitz scrambled back from the carnage. World Eaters shouldered past him as they charged at Angron, but the butchered bodies lying around showed what fate awaited them. "
The rage the rest of the loyalists felt must have been amplified a thousand fold for the World Eaters. This fight was one I don’t think they ever truly had in the crusade, this was personal. In that fight the brought to bear all the anger, confusion, hurt, and betrayal at this act done to them by those they had called brothers lead by the one they called father.
@@carsoncasmirri3874It's a bit of a recurring thing, the rage that loyalist War Hounds vent on their treacherous brothers makes Khornates look tame. The first time Macer Varren met a former brother in combat he ripped the man's helmet off and used it to bash his skull in. When the 12th legion was at its height, brotherhood was everything, loyalty and unity were what gave the carnage its purpose and thus motivation, the traitors destroyed that. The hatred the traitors exhibit is a weak, guttering flame because there's no fuel behind it, merely destruction for the sake of destruction, but the few remaining War Hounds were a raging inferno ignited by the millions of betrayals from those who had once been brothers.
"Yes, I will die, and you will be the ones to kill me, that is simply the way of things. But I will not die silently and I will not die alone, for The Emperor remains at my side, and shall 'til my body is ash in the wind"
When going through the Heresy audiobooks, I was often told that Istvaan V was going to hurt, but I was left numb after Istvaan III. The audio in this video caused mini flashbacks.
@Alsonallu yeah, it's like the full on assault against the loyalists. Garviel, Saul, Solomon, Torgaddon, all those guys that you got to know over the first books, practically died. First time I read it I was happy, until I realized that the series was The Horus Heresy
@@chocolatesquirrel2002 What? Have you read Garro: Knight of Grey (Novella)? 10 novel in Siege of Terra (ending of Horus Heresy) series, it's literally about IT: Garro lifted his head, and while his vision was veiled, he saw the image of Death. What the people of a bygone era would call Thanatos, Azrael, the Grim Reaper, Mortarion embodied in reality. The emaciated primarch, hiding in the shadow of his hood, was by no means the embodiment of eternal rest, a noble death or a dignified departure from life - he was the true horror of this, the embodied decay and decay, marking the final outcome of being. But Garro's last conscious act was to resolve not to give in to it all. As the shadows eclipsed the world around him, and the passage of time lengthened and slowed down, the spirit of defiance filled his whole being with it, and the light - a golden, delightful radiance - appeared before the gaze of the Death Guard. Mortarion and his corrupted legion, the ruins and the panorama of battle, all faded as the light gained strength and power. At the heart of the marvelous radiance, a gigantic figure in magnificent gilded armor appeared, stepping through the light as if through an open door. The image of the warrior in shimmering, flawless gold looked towards the fallen Astartes and met his gaze. "Is that really true?" Garro's thoughts turned into a single stream of emotions and impressions. "Perhaps my weakening mind is giving birth to the last glimpse of Life before the very end?" "Or is it... Him?" Words were not required. The gold-clad warrior nodded fatherly to Garro and held out his open hand. Nathaniel knew that if he touched it, if he truly embraced it and found faith free from doubt and hesitation, the day would come when he, Battle Captain Nathaniel Garro, could be reborn anew. With a shudder of excitement, the son of Albia and Terra, the Dusk Raider, Death Guard and Knight-Errant reached out to take the Warrior-In-Gold's hand. As the two warriors' hands closed, Garro saw the metal of his gauntlets, as well as the flesh and bones beneath them, crumble to dust and scatter in the wind. But it didn't matter anymore. The material substance of his being no longer meant absolutely nothing. From now on, the soul of the man who was called Nathaniel Garro will gain eternal life. He might well have been frightened, but at that moment Garro felt nothing but genuine delight - for now his destiny, the purpose of his whole life, was finally fulfilled, and he was saved. *The God-Emperor of Mankind knew his name,* and now Battle-Captain Nathaniel Garro's watch was over.
Remember that on Istvaan V, the Raven guard, Salamanders and Iron hands blindly charged the enemy without considering that other legions might have turned. And some still managed to escape. But on Istvaan III, it was the treacherous members of four Legions culling the best and bravest and most loyal amongst them, and the loyalists still bled them all for a long, long time.
In both cases it was 3 months, the loyalists on Isstvan 3 had the palace as a place to defend from while the Raven Guard on Isstvan 5 spent most of the time running/flying
@@B34K246It's also worth adding that the Traitor Marines had just gained Several months of experience in fighting other Marines. which the Loyal Legions at Istvan IV did not have.
Remember this for every time a Heretic whines about being “The ones who were betrayed first” They started this war by murdering their own brothers who died better men than they’d ever be Luna Wolves War Hounds Dusk Raiders True Emperors Children Never forget
@@kaczok The whole point of the Imperium and the Crusade was to import on other worlds the Imperial Truth, wich was in complete opposition to religion. The Word Bearers were also the least effective Legion as they took way too much time to conquer worlds because they wanted to implement a new faith in every new world they conquered. When you compare them to the Ultramarines who also took some time to create efficient government on the new worlds, you see that there's quite a large difference in the number of worlds that were conquered. Also, Big E contacted Lorgar many times to tell him to stop his bullshit and do his job. So it's exactly the same story as Magnus, a Primarch does stupid shit, Big E tells them to stop, they don't, and then cry when they get their asses kicked for not obeying orders. Astartes weren't heroes, knights or Gods, as the White Scars, Dark Angels or Space Wolves understood it, they were soldiers, tools and weapons that were ment to follow the Emperor's orders and shut the fuck up/not doing dumb shit.
Honestly the line that the world eater's captain tells Saul when they're hunkered in the bunker is also really sad too. "It wasn't the istvaans that did this was it?" And Saul just silent
the most heart breaking moment was when Cpt Temeter and Huron Fal kept the bunker gates open when the dreadnought tried to convince his Cpt to enter the bunker too, as he as a dreadnought is invulnerabel to the live eater virus. When Temeter refused and closed the bunker as late as possible to safe as many as he could and noticed the dreadnought lied to him, as his armor was damaged and the virus would get into his sarcofagus and kill him. The moment the dreadnought overloaded his core and they both died to their own conditions was the saddest story i've heard, yet filled with pride and honor...
Istvaan 3 is Order 66 on a more personal and more mature as well as fantasy esque note. The betrayal is there, but it’s not from soldiers following orders. It’s a betrayal between brothers unseen thus far. Yet the one thing they both have in common is they plunge the galaxy into darkness
Not sure about more mature. Order 66 in legends actually had a good bit of interesting commentary, especially in Karen Travis's Republic Commando books where it really delves into the mindsets of what are effectively child soldiers who have to weigh their relationships with their Jedi companions against a literal lifetime of social conditioning. And then the Clone Wars came out and replaced all that interesting commentary with Evil Mind Control Chips, so yeah . . .
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 agreed. Legends Order 66 was way better done than what canon did. The Quinlan vos story where he gets hunted across Kashhyyk for months by his own clone troopers, who know his tactics inside out is one of the most brutal stories in there.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 modern writing has replaced the fantastical and real with the mundane and superfluous. Star wars was always one the lowest forms of technical writing that you can see even back during the legends era but even then it touched deep aspects of the human condition in a profound albeit clunky manner.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 and that one story, where the clones were planning on massacre a whole city just to get their Jedi out in the open. I miss the old time, before the clone wars show
@@kiankier7330 oh yea where they started execution civilians. But tbh clone wars did more than enough for a kids show. Name any other kids show with political assassination, false flag attacks and alll the other warcrimes. For the rating they had, they did the most with it. I’m pretty sure the only reason why the chip thing was introduced is because people became so attached to the clone characters that the whole „ he shoots his commander because he just follows orders“ couldn’t be done because fans would rage at that
World Eaters are always overlooked in the Istvaan 3 part. World Eater legion actually had the largest number of marines that wouldn't Betray the Emperor, despite them being freaking crazy lunatics. Angron's life may have sucked but he didn't need to be such an asshole.
Because the majority of them died in the early week of the battle, Angorn was the first to charge the loyalist of his legion after the orbital bombardment, and the surviving World Eater wanted to kill Angron for his treason. They sacrifices themselves to give the time to the loyalist other Legion (especially Son of Horus and Emperor Children) to retreat and fortify their positions.
I can’t stand it when people say Angron was justified. Like yeah, his life was a nightmare, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for him to be even worse than his abusers.
The Death Guard are overlooked too. They kept Mortarion at bay for so long but were cut off and suffered the most casualties from the initial bombings. I remember hearing somewhere that Mortarion was so out of touch that he actually had a large number betray him and join the loyalists.
I kind of appreciate Angron going down to kill the loyalists himself instead of sitting back like his brothers. Probably more for just the thrill for killing, but part of me believes he had respect for them and wanted to give them a warriors end.
To be honest isvaan III is so much worse the isvaan V because they where the same people all brothers they all had full 100 trust in there fathers and family. In the end not one that was there for isvaan III came out in broken.
It was the ultimate betrayal. What I truly despised the traitors for wasn't betraying the emperor (to hell with him and his imperium), but betraying their own blood. The ultimate betrayal, the ultimate sin that truly damned them.
@@JakeBaldwin1 the coldest and bitterest circle of hell is for betrayers and oath breakers. There is no forgiveness for those who would stab there brother in the back for there own gain.
@@justinc9112 dude no matter what stupid and terrible attempts at logic you may try the loyalists will never be anything more than blind faith having incompetent scumbags with no ability to truly think on their own along with the emperor and they will all soon die screaming earning them selves a EXTREMELY deserved end anyone who thinks humanity/ humans deserves life more than the insects you step on will never have the slights idea on real morals through their entire existence
These brave sons of the Emperor were no longer Emperirors Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, or Sons of Horus. They were Ture Emperors Children, War Hounds, Dusk Raiders, and Luna Wolves.
They were the emperor's children, the true emperor's children. They shall always be the emperor's children. The mockery that is the emperor's children now will never be what they were like before fulgrim's corruption by the sword. we will always remember them as the emperor's children, soldiers of the imperium and the angels of death.
It's stuff like this that makes me love Warhammer 40k. It is a truly terrible universe, which is why hope and bravery against insurmountable odds shine so brightly. The fact that they still lost after trying their damnedest, fighting against their brothers, gave their story meaning.
It captures the Human Spirit. No matter how bad things get, no matter the odds, no matter the pain and suffering; mankind will not lose hope, mankind will not give up or give in, and mankind will not go quietly into the night.
I mean, they didn't lose the ground battle per se... After three months of holding their ground against traitor forces outnumbering them and led by Angron directly on the field, Horus said, and I quote, "F*k it" and retrieved his troops before bombing the planet again to kill off the loyalists
even tho I am fully fallen to slaanesh, I mainly cry that such a man as Tarvits didn't come to slaanesh such a strong willed man, tho I may cry for different reasons I still do tear up, such a waste of perfection, and the longing of not having every emperor's children fallen to slaanesh. so Loyalist and traitor alike should cry to this, but for different reasons. (im a slaaneshi girl btw)
@@amritdragoness6175 "The Legion cheered once more, and Fulgrim's amusement turned instantly to sorrow as he understood that, but for Vespasian's stubbornness, a great many of these warriors would have made a fine addition to the army of the Warmaster's new crusade. With such warriors fighting for the Warmaster, what heights of perfection would have been beyond them? Vespasian's refusal to allow his men to sample the heady delights of Fabius' chemical stimulants, or to undergo enhancing surgeries, had condemned the warriors once under his command to death in the Warmaster's trap of Isstvan III." - From chapter 18 of Fulgrim, by Graham McNeill. It's about Vespasian, not Tarvitz, but I think this quote matches up nicely with your point.
The last loyalists from the traitor legions are some of the best charachters imo, the sheer badassery is almost too much, Rylanor was able to get traitors from the thousand sons to help him and hurted fulgrim so bad that his pride never recovered
I knew that starting the horus heresy would break my heart, but i couldnt help getting attached, despite knowing what would happen to Loken and Tarvitz. Loken is one of my favorite characters in all of fiction, and Torgadon was a fantastic supporting character. Ive never liked world eaters, pre or post heresy, but seeing them charge into Angron, knowing what awaited them, knowing that their primarch would kill them, gave me so much more respect for them. Im looking foreword to reading the rest of the series. (on digital copies of course, no way am i paying 60+ for ONE book)
Reading the heresy is like getting punched in the gut over and over again. They build up these characters and then just kill them off in heartbreaking ways.
The beautiful irony of it is some of the absolute best written traitor Astartes are World Eaters. I know you said you did not like them, but I still have to recommend what many of us in the community regard as the best book in the HH series in Betrayer. Gives you insight into what the World Eaters were and currently are before what they become.
60 plus bucks for one book? Wherever you go is criminally ripping people off. I went to the warhammer shop next to a UPS store I ran a delivery too and got three books plus that McFarlen Sister of Battle figure for 70 bucks
I love how during the resistance Loken and Torgaddon deffered to Saul Tarvitz in planning defense and counterattack immediately. They were captains of there own companies and even held direct power over Tarvitz during campaigns like Murder. Not a shred of jealousy or envy as within his own legion with Lucius. They knew exactly their own best strengths and weaknesses and saw quickly that even while captains they were still attackers. They havent honed the tactical acumen toward hard, under strength defensive "bleeds" that Tarvitz was suitable for. Being always understrength and feeling individual unit lose harder than others through the Crusades it only made sense Tarvitz took control.
Things like this makes it clear how much the writers thought out the Heresy. Of course the captain of a notoriously understrengthed Legion would be best suited to fighting a battle where every marine counts and the goal is to hold on. Defensive is also the best for him because you need alot less men to defend than you need to attack, making him even more suited to the task. 40k has some of, if not straight up the best writing in Sci-fi/fantasy I swear
I recently red galaxy in flames and my god that ending is so powerful. ill tell you this tho, for a newborn rebellion by the warmaster, it took lik 4 months to get rid of the marines in istvan 3 post bombing, Saul tarvitz was right, they did hurt them here.
The great tragedy of the world eaters is not that they are mindless savages; It is the death of innocence. they were like children playing in their father’s shadow, and being scorned for it. So they modelled themselves after him, attempting to know his way. And only found themselves being dragged further down the same spiralling decent as their primarch.
Garviel Lokken. Saul Tarvitz. Nathaniel Garro. Tarik Togaddon. Fel Zharost. Iacton Qruze. Ullis Temeter. Huron-Fal. Some of the many loyalists from the traitor legions. May their sacrifice be not in vain.
@@user-wh4eu1hl3v I know, but in a way, they’re all forgotten by most of the people in the present era. Only a few people do. And that’s considered “heretical”.
"The Loyalists did not throw themselves into cover or run for shelter, there was little point." Shows how much it is over, they didn't bother going for cover since they knew they were dead. Probably knew from the start of the Istvaan III atrocity but still fought, to buy time for the Imperium and to spite those who betrayed them.
Never forget the last dreadnought holding his dying comrade as the virus bomb eats through the millions of microfractures in his iron casket. Honor the Legion brother.
Every sacrifice by loyalists bought the emperor time. Every minute they were taking up Horus' time were precious minutes the Empire of Man needed to bleed Horus dry, which inevitably led to him making his last ditch offer of a duel to the emperor. "Did we hurt them?" Yes, brother. You made all the difference.
It’s kind of sad that even the world eaters had loyalists that were just confused by what was going on. Bloodthirsty combatants turned into lost lambs the moment they learned that they lost their purpose
@@capsizemoonz2251 He was a knights errant. But he was not one of the founders who went with Titan into the warp. Loken stayed for the siege of Terra and his story is not done yet.
@@justinc9112 the betrayal of Istvaan III. Grimauldus’s is sad because he survived alone, the loyalists’ is sad because their moments were their fathers and brothers killing them for doing the right thing. The one nice thing is that at least on Istvaan III, they did not die alone and stayed true to the end
I don't care about alexis polucs, saul tarvitz held out for two months against a force 3 times his own and against 3 primarchs, would make the ultramarines blush.
I mean, they lost a good amount during the viral bombing, and they were up against tanks, vehicles and the Dies Irea, with only their might, and a few heavy weapons nests. Saul is a fucking legend, who thought he was only going to be a simple line officer
A planet of death, sadness, and betrayal of the lowest kind, where the galaxy was inadvertently saved through the actions of heroes of the highest caliber's defient determination and undying loyalty to one man's dream for humanity. For those who fell! FOR THE HEROES OF ISTVAAN!
Reading the stories of the heresy made me really REALLY fucking haaaate chaos. The magnitude of the treachery, the depravity and the wastefulness of it all is enough to leave one stunned over and over and over again.
I always like that Nero Vipus, a sgt that was in Lokens company also was there with Tarvitz, I believe Tarvits even looks over and recognizes him just before their end....
Ngl I’m both impressed and a little jealous this video had 431k views whilst my video (the original video without the meme format) has 183k views tho at the end of the day I’m more glad sooo many people have watched it and enjoyed it
That "a few lost looking world eaters" comment really hits hard Angrons tale is a tragedy and his legion is the second most terrible part of it. The most terrible is the future that was lost with him.
And then you realize even further.... the father and his sons never wanted to go out how they did, they all wanted to fight, live, see the great crusade to it's glory, and the emperor decided a living weapon was more useful then trying to fix angron.
Death guard are the unspoken heroes, one of those born under the cursed sun that never shines through the god rotten sky of Krieg is worth one a many marines. -Gareth, Kasarkin of the 117th (fighting for Tertium)
As the final bombardment came, I, and the few brothers I had left lifted our gaze upward for a final time. Through the constant, pain inducing haze produced by the cursed nails within our skulls we saw the final ‘gift’ of our father. What bore his hatred for us, his once loyal sons we will now... never know.
Now that I rewatch this narrative many times over it makes me appreciate the authors writing. Grime streaked faces among the endless days and just to die together as brothers. Tarvitz and the remaining men fought waiting for their death and finally received an honorable one.
As awful as the betrayal is, it's a huge part of why the first dozen books or so are so incredible. Nothing can hit harder than a dream almost achieved, snatched from your grasp by the people you are supposed to trust and rely on, those people you call friend, or brother. The betrayal will never be forgotten, or forgiven.
The traitor legions had so many advantages. Gear, better munition, the element of surprise, orbital bombardement and full legions. Than they wanted to cull their legions and the loyalist weren't as foolish as they thought them to be. They fought back, and did so hard. They haven't just lost a good part of their legion with the cull, but even more with the loyalist drawing time and some wargear upon that. Also the prestige, that traitors and Buffed Choas Marines are not better than their loyalist counterpart.
When I first listened to this I didn't quite understand the context. After rewatching the video and realizing that these were the few men of the chapters still loyal, forced to wait for a horrible death at the hands of the people they once trusted most, it really broke my heart.
God, listening to the audio book where this happened for the first time was so hard, my heart hurt for days after. In fact, I’d be lying if I said it still didn’t hurt now 😭
Having served this takes on a truly sad meaning for me. I was taught to pull the trigger on enemies, I was taught no hesitation same as any other. That being said if the one I was supposed to pull the trigger on was one of my own I don’t know if I could do it. The guys I worked with, lived with, drank with, laughed, bled, sweat, cheered, and suffered with for such important and memorable years of my life. Despite it all I don’t really know if I could ever bring myself to do it.
Istvaan V and the message Guilliman sent to Terra that he was but a few days away, only to be intercepted, comes close. But I really don't think anything tops Istvaan III
I listen galaxy in flames at least once a month. Definitely my favorite warhammer book besides storm of iron. The part where angron arrives and the world eaters just slam into each other and the last stand in the palace is enough to make any man add 20 lbs to his max
Breaks my heart literlty breaks my heart. Istvan 3 and then Istvan 5. Darkest days in Imperium History. Brothers killing brothers...... they were meant to be so much more than that
Imagine being a Loyalist marine then being one of those 100 inside the War Singers temple, waiting until the battle overrun them. Knowing your Brothers names, pray with them and essentially die with them, thankful that Tarvitz was able to warn the loyalists of the Betrayal of Fulgrim and Horus.
They were in a better position but presumably they could just try to hijack ships and slip off, we have no indication they ever got Isstavan’d or anything.
You know people today ask why care about mythology and modern fiction that glorifies heroes in hopeless battles who hold to concepts of honor as old as our species. The reason is that this is not hero fantasy but rather an ideal to aspire to, to be of stern and sound mettle that if tested you too would hold to your morals in the face of hopelessness. It is a light in dark times as well as a reminder that life can be and will be as hateful and harsh as any foe in tales of old or modern fiction. That there are things worth bleeding and suffering for in spite of a modern world who claims there is nothing sacred anymore. Hold true heroes as an ideal to aspire to, use them to push you to be a better soul than the day before. The fleeting pleasures of a nihilistic surrender to a corrupt world will fade as soon as they are enjoyed but how those who live beyond you remember you will last generations if not all time.
My mind made an almost similar scene of sadness from the dialogue "we hurt them here.", where instead it's "We heard them here.", with a scene of some humans on an alien planet, hearing the last messages of a long extinct civilization.
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I grew up being a huge Star Wars fan and felt like it was the only fictional universe that really made me feel something. I was aware of 40k because of Dawn of War but I didn’t really understand it and thought it was a silly over the top universe. 5 years ago TH-cam recommended me a luetin09 video about the worst jobs in the imperium and I was shocked to learn how in depth the lore was and also the pit of dread it put in my stomach. Then I read those first 3 Horus Heresy books… I thought order 66 was heartbreaking
ORDER 66 IS JUST THE GOVERNMENT taking care of their space wizards The Istvaan III Atrocity is more gut wrenching bc they are clean their Legions of Loyal Servants of the Emperor and they pinned them down on the planet they also hold on for month unlike the Jedi's silly deaths
And despite all of that, it is still an over the top silly universe. You get the best of both worlds.
Wow you know what's crazy? I had always been a loose fan of wh40k, like "Fuck yeah Blood Angles, for the Emporer" But I really had no idea. It wasn' t until I saw Luetin's video about the worst jobs in the Imperium that I was like "Holy shit there's more to this universe than just a tabletop game?". Been sucking down lore ever since, can't get enough. RIP Rylanor.
@@Viknuss blood angles 💀
Istvaan was Shakespearean. Both times.
Never forget that there were more Loyalist World Eaters on the fields of Istvaan III than any other Legion.
Warhounds are forever loyal
The only people Sigismund actually liked, that really is saying something since Sigismund didn't like anybody.
Try not to cry challenge: Failed.
WARHOUNDS
Cryin in da club
"Did we hurt them, captain? Did this mean anything?"
Perhaps one of the most human desires imaginable: Willingness to sacrifice one's life but needing it to mean something.
It meant everything 😭
@@thelurkerbel0w
Every loyalist on Istvaan III died a testament to their legions true soul.
Every traitor they killed would not set foot on another loyal planet.
Every live they traded would be one less storming the walls of the Imperial Palace.
They might've tipped the scale, right then and there already. They hurt them. It means enough.
the short answer is yes. The traitors felt the sting of defiance and were stuck for I think it was three months in a drawn-out campaign on Istvan III and in those three months Garro made it to Dorn and the praetorian began his work of fortifying the Imperial Palace. those three months bought the imperium time, time that they desperately needed.
“Lost looking world eaters” hurts me more then it should’ve.
Agreed. Loyalist World Eaters are my favorite people
@@bluedog843 the techmarines, pilots, Cav and heavy weapons were probably the sane ones left.
@@tarektechmarine8209 I recall listening to an audio book on world eaters, just past the heresy -
there was one berzerker ; chained up and bound , howling at the techmarine to release him so he might feed the nails
The techmarine was lamenting the fact that many "sane" warriors died in the last engagement and this frothfing berzerker whos "a blood mad hound" somehow survived.
The Berzerker replied "your hound howls too, only you've built an iron cage around it"
world eater mutilated themselves in hopes of pleasing their father. To me they're just kids mislead by Angron
Confused, heartbroken, maybe scared in their own way despite how wrong that should be.
The World Eater line gets me sad, it’s like a bunch of lost children in a situation they should never be in
I mean, at this point, all they really had to guide them was the butcher’s nails buzzing in the backs of their skulls. It’s downright depressing
They quite literally are…😢
I don't remember the book, but I remember one line.
It was after the initial plan to wipe out the loyalists on III failed and Angron lost his shit and took the Traitor World Eaters planetside.
Angron immediately attacked the World Eaters on the ground in a full assault. Outnumbered 3 to one, the loyalist leader rallied a counter attack and literally charged at his own Primarch and traitor Gene-Father as he shouted one word:
"DIE!"
@@SeasonsMad042 I remeber that part, Saul was there, but the world eater told him to flee that this isn't his fight iirc that was the first time a marine ever fought a primarch and Saul was shaken by it but those world eaters hated their farther and just rushed him... Pretty sure all of them died but thays why I love the world eaters they don't flinch at a hard job.
@@SeasonsMad042 "Why?" I snarl thickly through the pain and the blood, all of my fury and despair surging up to force the question into being. "Father, why have you turned against - "
"No." The primarch growls as he lowers Gorefather, his lips lifting in scorn to expose his dark metal teeth, his bloodshot eyes narrowing in contempt. A single swift blow to the chest and I am hurled backwards, the air driven clean from my birth-lungs, my breastplate riven asunder, my carapace crushed. "No, Verus. Too many have already squandered their last moments asking me that wretched question and I am tired of explaining myself." He bends over me, the full force of his regard almost impossible to endure. "Instead, I will ask the questions. Tell me, Verus, why did you not resist when I gave the order to have the Butcher's Nails introduced throughout the Legion? Why did you volunteer instead to have your brain cut open and the Nails implanted?"
I can barely comprehend the question; my thoughts are fracturing. My jaws gape as I struggle to draw in a single sawing breath. Death snaps eagerly at my throat, mere heartbeats away. "You are my primarch…" I gasp, "…my progenitor; my liege and my general. How could I have gone against your will? I thought the Nails would bring me closer to you! You are - "
*"- A SLAVE!"* Angron bellows, his rage rising, his tortured face a perfect reflection of my own. "I am a slave, Verus! And I was so close to dying free - free and fighting alongside my true brothers and sisters against the tyrannical High Riders of Nuceria! That would have been a fitting end! But then the Emperor spirited me away, forcing me to leave my comrades-in-arms behind to be slaughtered, forsaken and unmourned. And what did I inherit from Him in exchange? An entire Legion of dogs - obedient groveling war-hounds, most of whom rolled right over and submitted to the implantation of the Nails without resistance; a Legion of cowardly curs who have the audacity to call themselves my sons!"
His pain-filled eyes ablaze with fervor, the primarch leans in closer as if to confide a long-held secret. His breath reeks of blood and spoiled meat. "A true son would have stood up to his father at the prospect of such defilement; a true son would have spat in my face and damned me to hell rather then willingly surrender his freedom. Yet you did not. You are no true son of mine, Sergeant Verus. You are a thrall, a thrall to the greatest High Rider this galaxy has ever known. But I will be my Father's slave no longer - and neither will the World Eaters. So die as the Emperor's dog, Verus. Die forsaken and unmourned, just as my gladiators died on Nuceria fighting in futility for a chance to be free. You will not be missed."
I am sinking downwards into darkness. Angron straightens, preparing to turn away. With the last of my strength I find my courage and spit out three words with my final breath - three words I have carried deep within me ever since the day I had emerged from the surgical chambers of the Conqueror's apothecarion after having received the Nails; three words nurtured in bitter secrecy throughout hundreds of campaigns and thousands of battles; three words no Space Marine of the Legiones Astartes has ever said to the face of their primarch:
*”I hate you."*
And as death's jaws close about me, something flickers in the depths of Angron's eyes, something I have always yearned to see, despite the pain and the madness and the disregard he has inflicted upon us; something I long for even at the end, as I breathe my last in a graveyard-city of broken oaths and shattered dreams.
In my Father's eyes I finally see it, before the darkness takes me...
Approval.
And Rylanor will wait for another 10,000 years
To be slain by fulgrim. 10000 years in vain. It’s heartbreaking.
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It wasnt in vain. He hurt Fulgrim in a way that the warp cant heal.
He hurt his pride by rejecting him and even turning some thousand sons loyal again.
And that will stick with Fulgrim forever.
@@Dieselkraftwerk Yeah he hurt fulgrim’s ego, but he still died.
@@murphyjackedoff5970 More damage was done to Fulgrim. Death is Glory for Rylanor. Fulgrim suffered a lot worse.
@@murphyjackedoff5970 By doing so he hurt Fulgrim more than even Ferrus did, perhaps more than anyone in the setting
It is said that when Guilliman learned about Istvan 3 he was on the verge of tears, a primarch.
Guilliman is the most human other than Vulkan
I just listened to the book that short story was in, and yeah. Guilliman almost broke down and cried
@@veritech4884 which book was that
@@PurpleTomDayRand Dorn. His grief was unparalleled in the longest second.
@@bluedog843 Rules of Engagement by Graham McNeil in the Age of Darkness book.
The Loyalist of Istvaan 3 were the greatest Astartes to ever live.
Most of them were older, recruited from Terra. They fought for the emperor first and their loyalty lies with humanity and the emperor.
‘Part of me wishes I could, sir,’ said Loken. ‘Believe me, I want the warmth that being part of something greater brings. I want to belong. I had that with the Legion, but you took that away from me when you stabbed us all in the back.’
‘No,’ said Horus. ‘Garviel, no. That’s not-’
But Loken wasn’t about to stop now. ‘Turning my back on everything I knew, being cut off from the Legion that made me who I am? That was the worst moment of my life. It drove me insane. More than Tarik’s death or being buried alive on Isstvan, it was the heartbreak and yawning emptiness that finally broke me.’
‘Then come back to me, Garviel,’ said Horus. ‘Feel that warmth again, don’t you want to be part of the greatest endeavour the galaxy has ever seen?’
‘I already was,’ said Loken, turning his back on Horus. ‘It was called the Great Crusade.’
Garviel Loken - Luna Wolf and loyal servant of the Emperor.
I don't have the words to express how much I *H-A-T-E* gaslighters like Horus. It's a fictional story, but how many times have parallel words come from the mouths of traitors thoughout real history and even from those in your own life?
@@7F0X7 And just like that, this moment has become infinitely so much more tragic. The heinousness of the betrayal, and how those sons who remained Loyal to The Dream of a Humanity Reunited must have felt. It's excruciating to think about how someone whom you were not only born to serve but to revere, idolize, and glorify on a raw genetic level could have felt when the bombs started falling. It's wrong. It's so, so unfathomably wrong.
What book is that quote from
Vengeful Spirit, unfortunately not read by Toby longworth but a very exhausted sounding Gareth Armstrong
Loyal until the bitter end!
I am still unreasonably hurt by "we'll go together then, shall we?"
Haldon Tal’s veteran’s prerogative with Temeter made me cry too
Every time..
The loyalists from the traitor legions are some of the biggest badasses in the 40k universe. They didn’t blindly follow their daddy around like their brothers and cousins in both the loyalist and traitor legions, they followed what they believed to be true and honorable in the face of certain death.
Shame logar breed that traits out of the imperium with an ecclesiastical coup and one giant dead boi
The vast majority were Terran-born Astartes, iirc.
Loyal to the idea of the Imperium over their gene-fathers. Loyal to the Truth over the Creed. Loyal to the Emperor, and above all else, loyal to the Imperium.
Barabas Dantioch is pretty chad
They where probably singled out before Istvann because they where paragons. After Istvann I imagine the degree of betrayal had fueled them to be greater warriors.
@@ladywaffle2210 Veterans in every respect, an entire galaxy by their hands.
He's right, they hurt Traitors there. They tied their forces there for three months, hurt their numbers and gave Eisenstein chance to get to Terra. Istvaan III was a Loyalist victory.
not only was istvaan III a loyalist victory but probably one of the most important battles of the entire horus heresy because like you said if garrow never made it to dorn or back to terra they would have never have known what horus and the rest of the traitors were up too and might never have figured it out until it was too late. Horus was every primarchs friend and they all loved him back too because he was so charismatic and likable, so much so in fact that dorn didn't believe garrow when he said that horus had turned traitor and had backhanded him so hard he flew across the room and threatened to kill him on the spot for daring to say such things about the warmaster.
tactical traitor victory
stratigic loyalist victory
@@wartorngaming1037 It was 40k's Alamo
"The World Eaters did not fight with the perfection of the Emperor’s Children. They fought with anger and hatred, with brutality and the lust for destruction.And they fought with more hatred than ever before against their own, against the battle-brothers they had warred alongside for years.Tarvitz scrambled back from the carnage. World Eaters shouldered past him as they charged at Angron, but the butchered bodies lying around showed what fate awaited them. "
The rage the rest of the loyalists felt must have been amplified a thousand fold for the World Eaters. This fight was one I don’t think they ever truly had in the crusade, this was personal. In that fight the brought to bear all the anger, confusion, hurt, and betrayal at this act done to them by those they had called brothers lead by the one they called father.
@@carsoncasmirri3874It's a bit of a recurring thing, the rage that loyalist War Hounds vent on their treacherous brothers makes Khornates look tame. The first time Macer Varren met a former brother in combat he ripped the man's helmet off and used it to bash his skull in. When the 12th legion was at its height, brotherhood was everything, loyalty and unity were what gave the carnage its purpose and thus motivation, the traitors destroyed that. The hatred the traitors exhibit is a weak, guttering flame because there's no fuel behind it, merely destruction for the sake of destruction, but the few remaining War Hounds were a raging inferno ignited by the millions of betrayals from those who had once been brothers.
Just as Khorne intended.
"Lost looking World Eaters."
That did it for me. World Eaters were lost from that cursed day, when they were united with Angron.
Travitz, Rylanor, Garro, Loken and Huron Fal, loyal to the end.
Cant forget Ullis Temeter or Tarik Torgaddon.
Can't forget ehrlen.
Dantiock
Fel Zharost. Loyalist Night Lord who became one of Malcador's Knights Errant.
This death. This death is ours. We choose it. We deny you your victory.
"Yes, I will die, and you will be the ones to kill me, that is simply the way of things. But I will not die silently and I will not die alone, for The Emperor remains at my side, and shall 'til my body is ash in the wind"
The Emperor protects.
Only in death does duty ends
Where did you read this quote
@@custarddemustard2769 My brain
You honour us, brother. FOR THE EMPEROR
Ive always loved Isvaan III ever Istvaan V and thought it was much more tragic and emotional
When going through the Heresy audiobooks, I was often told that Istvaan V was going to hurt, but I was left numb after Istvaan III.
The audio in this video caused mini flashbacks.
III Was the moment you realized how fucked everything was about to get lol
@Alsonallu yeah, it's like the full on assault against the loyalists. Garviel, Saul, Solomon, Torgaddon, all those guys that you got to know over the first books, practically died. First time I read it I was happy, until I realized that the series was The Horus Heresy
Stand tall warriors. The Emperor knows your names.
Lol, he doesnt even remember the thunder warriors
Horus remembered
@@chocolatesquirrel2002 What? Have you read Garro: Knight of Grey (Novella)? 10 novel in Siege of Terra (ending of Horus Heresy) series, it's literally about IT:
Garro lifted his head, and while his vision was veiled, he saw the image of Death. What the people of a bygone era would call Thanatos, Azrael, the Grim Reaper, Mortarion embodied in reality. The emaciated primarch, hiding in the shadow of his hood, was by no means the embodiment of eternal rest, a noble death or a dignified departure from life - he was the true horror of this, the embodied decay and decay, marking the final outcome of being.
But Garro's last conscious act was to resolve not to give in to it all. As the shadows eclipsed the world around him, and the passage of time lengthened and slowed down, the spirit of defiance filled his whole being with it, and the light - a golden, delightful radiance - appeared before the gaze of the Death Guard. Mortarion and his corrupted legion, the ruins and the panorama of battle, all faded as the light gained strength and power.
At the heart of the marvelous radiance, a gigantic figure in magnificent gilded armor appeared, stepping through the light as if through an open door. The image of the warrior in shimmering, flawless gold looked towards the fallen Astartes and met his gaze.
"Is that really true?" Garro's thoughts turned into a single stream of emotions and impressions.
"Perhaps my weakening mind is giving birth to the last glimpse of Life before the very end?"
"Or is it... Him?"
Words were not required.
The gold-clad warrior nodded fatherly to Garro and held out his open hand. Nathaniel knew that if he touched it, if he truly embraced it and found faith free from doubt and hesitation, the day would come when he, Battle Captain Nathaniel Garro, could be reborn anew.
With a shudder of excitement, the son of Albia and Terra, the Dusk Raider, Death Guard and Knight-Errant reached out to take the Warrior-In-Gold's hand. As the two warriors' hands closed, Garro saw the metal of his gauntlets, as well as the flesh and bones beneath them, crumble to dust and scatter in the wind. But it didn't matter anymore. The material substance of his being no longer meant absolutely nothing. From now on, the soul of the man who was called Nathaniel Garro will gain eternal life.
He might well have been frightened, but at that moment Garro felt nothing but genuine delight - for now his destiny, the purpose of his whole life, was finally fulfilled, and he was saved.
*The God-Emperor of Mankind knew his name,* and now Battle-Captain Nathaniel Garro's watch was over.
Remember that on Istvaan V, the Raven guard, Salamanders and Iron hands blindly charged the enemy without considering that other legions might have turned. And some still managed to escape. But on Istvaan III, it was the treacherous members of four Legions culling the best and bravest and most loyal amongst them, and the loyalists still bled them all for a long, long time.
In both cases it was 3 months, the loyalists on Isstvan 3 had the palace as a place to defend from while the Raven Guard on Isstvan 5 spent most of the time running/flying
@@B34K246It's also worth adding that the Traitor Marines had just gained Several months of experience in fighting other Marines. which the Loyal Legions at Istvan IV did not have.
Remember this for every time a Heretic whines about being “The ones who were betrayed first”
They started this war by murdering their own brothers who died better men than they’d ever be
Luna Wolves
War Hounds
Dusk Raiders
True Emperors Children
Never forget
Hail and glory to there true names. thank you for giving them the name they deserve. True loyalty son to the end.
They died on their feet as worthy men may the emperor give them the peace they do justly deserve
It was all good based and happiness before the Primtards were found again...
@@kaczok completely justified, they should have followed order like... Any other fucking legion ?
@@kaczok The whole point of the Imperium and the Crusade was to import on other worlds the Imperial Truth, wich was in complete opposition to religion. The Word Bearers were also the least effective Legion as they took way too much time to conquer worlds because they wanted to implement a new faith in every new world they conquered. When you compare them to the Ultramarines who also took some time to create efficient government on the new worlds, you see that there's quite a large difference in the number of worlds that were conquered.
Also, Big E contacted Lorgar many times to tell him to stop his bullshit and do his job. So it's exactly the same story as Magnus, a Primarch does stupid shit, Big E tells them to stop, they don't, and then cry when they get their asses kicked for not obeying orders.
Astartes weren't heroes, knights or Gods, as the White Scars, Dark Angels or Space Wolves understood it, they were soldiers, tools and weapons that were ment to follow the Emperor's orders and shut the fuck up/not doing dumb shit.
Honestly the line that the world eater's captain tells Saul when they're hunkered in the bunker is also really sad too.
"It wasn't the istvaans that did this was it?"
And Saul just silent
the most heart breaking moment was when Cpt Temeter and Huron Fal kept the bunker gates open when the dreadnought tried to convince his Cpt to enter the bunker too, as he as a dreadnought is invulnerabel to the live eater virus. When Temeter refused and closed the bunker as late as possible to safe as many as he could and noticed the dreadnought lied to him, as his armor was damaged and the virus would get into his sarcofagus and kill him.
The moment the dreadnought overloaded his core and they both died to their own conditions was the saddest story i've heard, yet filled with pride and honor...
"We'll go together"
@@matthewrolfe23 "Veterans prerogative"
Together then......
THIS DEATH IS OURS, WE CHOOSE IT
@@Muddiman1 We deny you your victory
Istvaan 3 is Order 66 on a more personal and more mature as well as fantasy esque note. The betrayal is there, but it’s not from soldiers following orders. It’s a betrayal between brothers unseen thus far. Yet the one thing they both have in common is they plunge the galaxy into darkness
Not sure about more mature. Order 66 in legends actually had a good bit of interesting commentary, especially in Karen Travis's Republic Commando books where it really delves into the mindsets of what are effectively child soldiers who have to weigh their relationships with their Jedi companions against a literal lifetime of social conditioning.
And then the Clone Wars came out and replaced all that interesting commentary with Evil Mind Control Chips, so yeah . . .
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 agreed. Legends Order 66 was way better done than what canon did. The Quinlan vos story where he gets hunted across Kashhyyk for months by his own clone troopers, who know his tactics inside out is one of the most brutal stories in there.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 modern writing has replaced the fantastical and real with the mundane and superfluous. Star wars was always one the lowest forms of technical writing that you can see even back during the legends era but even then it touched deep aspects of the human condition in a profound albeit clunky manner.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 and that one story, where the clones were planning on massacre a whole city just to get their Jedi out in the open. I miss the old time, before the clone wars show
@@kiankier7330 oh yea where they started execution civilians. But tbh clone wars did more than enough for a kids show. Name any other kids show with political assassination, false flag attacks and alll the other warcrimes. For the rating they had, they did the most with it. I’m pretty sure the only reason why the chip thing was introduced is because people became so attached to the clone characters that the whole „ he shoots his commander because he just follows orders“ couldn’t be done because fans would rage at that
“This was the end they all knew it”
That line hits really hard
“This isn’t your fight! Get out of here!” -World Eater Captain Erhlen. 😞
"Emperors Children never run!" -Tarvitz
"They do from this." -Erhlen
-Cue Angron charging out of a transport.
World Eaters are always overlooked in the Istvaan 3 part. World Eater legion actually had the largest number of marines that wouldn't Betray the Emperor, despite them being freaking crazy lunatics. Angron's life may have sucked but he didn't need to be such an asshole.
Because the majority of them died in the early week of the battle, Angorn was the first to charge the loyalist of his legion after the orbital bombardment, and the surviving World Eater wanted to kill Angron for his treason. They sacrifices themselves to give the time to the loyalist other Legion (especially Son of Horus and Emperor Children) to retreat and fortify their positions.
I can’t stand it when people say Angron was justified. Like yeah, his life was a nightmare, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for him to be even worse than his abusers.
The Death Guard are overlooked too. They kept Mortarion at bay for so long but were cut off and suffered the most casualties from the initial bombings. I remember hearing somewhere that Mortarion was so out of touch that he actually had a large number betray him and join the loyalists.
@@martinford4553 I guess, yeah. Mortarion was the second most unlikable primarch right after Angron though, so it's not very surprising.
I kind of appreciate Angron going down to kill the loyalists himself instead of sitting back like his brothers. Probably more for just the thrill for killing, but part of me believes he had respect for them and wanted to give them a warriors end.
I cry every time i listen to istvaan III
To be honest isvaan III is so much worse the isvaan V because they where the same people all brothers they all had full 100 trust in there fathers and family. In the end not one that was there for isvaan III came out in broken.
It was the ultimate betrayal.
What I truly despised the traitors for wasn't betraying the emperor (to hell with him and his imperium), but betraying their own blood. The ultimate betrayal, the ultimate sin that truly damned them.
@@JakeBaldwin1 the coldest and bitterest circle of hell is for betrayers and oath breakers. There is no forgiveness for those who would stab there brother in the back for there own gain.
@@justinc9112 dude no matter what stupid and terrible attempts at logic you may try the loyalists will never be anything more than blind faith having incompetent scumbags with no ability to truly think on their own along with the emperor and they will all soon die screaming earning them selves a EXTREMELY deserved end anyone who thinks humanity/ humans deserves life more than the insects you step on will never have the slights idea on real morals through their entire existence
The memory of Istvaan III will forever remain a dark spot in our hearts 😔
The line that breaks any Space Marines fan, even if its a slight pain in the heart
"I would have...liked to see the skies of...Baal, once last time"
These brave sons of the Emperor were no longer Emperirors Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, or Sons of Horus. They were Ture Emperors Children, War Hounds, Dusk Raiders, and Luna Wolves.
They were the emperor's children, the true emperor's children. They shall always be the emperor's children. The mockery that is the emperor's children now will never be what they were like before fulgrim's corruption by the sword. we will always remember them as the emperor's children, soldiers of the imperium and the angels of death.
Awww man....
I'm fairly sure that Loke, Tarik and the other former Son's of Horus actually use the ash to "repaint" their armour to white.
It's stuff like this that makes me love Warhammer 40k. It is a truly terrible universe, which is why hope and bravery against insurmountable odds shine so brightly. The fact that they still lost after trying their damnedest, fighting against their brothers, gave their story meaning.
It captures the Human Spirit. No matter how bad things get, no matter the odds, no matter the pain and suffering; mankind will not lose hope, mankind will not give up or give in, and mankind will not go quietly into the night.
I mean, they didn't lose the ground battle per se...
After three months of holding their ground against traitor forces outnumbering them and led by Angron directly on the field, Horus said, and I quote, "F*k it" and retrieved his troops before bombing the planet again to kill off the loyalists
if she doesnt tear up on hearing this, shes not the one
honestly yeah
Frfr
even tho I am fully fallen to slaanesh, I mainly cry that such a man as Tarvits didn't come to slaanesh such a strong willed man, tho I may cry for different reasons I still do tear up, such a waste of perfection, and the longing of not having every emperor's children fallen to slaanesh. so Loyalist and traitor alike should cry to this, but for different reasons. (im a slaaneshi girl btw)
@@amritdragoness6175 "The Legion cheered once more, and Fulgrim's amusement turned instantly to sorrow as he understood that, but for Vespasian's stubbornness, a great many of these warriors would have made a fine addition to the army of the Warmaster's new crusade. With such warriors fighting for the Warmaster, what heights of perfection would have been beyond them? Vespasian's refusal to allow his men to sample the heady delights of Fabius' chemical stimulants, or to undergo enhancing surgeries, had condemned the warriors once under his command to death in the Warmaster's trap of Isstvan III."
- From chapter 18 of Fulgrim, by Graham McNeill.
It's about Vespasian, not Tarvitz, but I think this quote matches up nicely with your point.
The last loyalists from the traitor legions are some of the best charachters imo, the sheer badassery is almost too much, Rylanor was able to get traitors from the thousand sons to help him and hurted fulgrim so bad that his pride never recovered
"This death is ours. We choose it. We deny you your victory"
“We’ll go together, shall we?”
😢"Did we hurt them Captain? Did this mean anything?. ." 😢
I knew that starting the horus heresy would break my heart, but i couldnt help getting attached, despite knowing what would happen to Loken and Tarvitz. Loken is one of my favorite characters in all of fiction, and Torgadon was a fantastic supporting character. Ive never liked world eaters, pre or post heresy, but seeing them charge into Angron, knowing what awaited them, knowing that their primarch would kill them, gave me so much more respect for them. Im looking foreword to reading the rest of the series. (on digital copies of course, no way am i paying 60+ for ONE book)
Reading the heresy is like getting punched in the gut over and over again. They build up these characters and then just kill them off in heartbreaking ways.
World Eaters are the Most Noble Space Marine Until Big E put Angron in charge thats why many of them Didnt Angron
The beautiful irony of it is some of the absolute best written traitor Astartes are World Eaters. I know you said you did not like them, but I still have to recommend what many of us in the community regard as the best book in the HH series in Betrayer. Gives you insight into what the World Eaters were and currently are before what they become.
@@ryantice1186 alright, ill give it a try
someday
way too many books i need to read lol
60 plus bucks for one book? Wherever you go is criminally ripping people off. I went to the warhammer shop next to a UPS store I ran a delivery too and got three books plus that McFarlen Sister of Battle figure for 70 bucks
The masculine urge to watch the end of days with your bros.
I love how during the resistance Loken and Torgaddon deffered to Saul Tarvitz in planning defense and counterattack immediately. They were captains of there own companies and even held direct power over Tarvitz during campaigns like Murder.
Not a shred of jealousy or envy as within his own legion with Lucius. They knew exactly their own best strengths and weaknesses and saw quickly that even while captains they were still attackers.
They havent honed the tactical acumen toward hard, under strength defensive "bleeds" that Tarvitz was suitable for. Being always understrength and feeling individual unit lose harder than others through the Crusades it only made sense Tarvitz took control.
Things like this makes it clear how much the writers thought out the Heresy. Of course the captain of a notoriously understrengthed Legion would be best suited to fighting a battle where every marine counts and the goal is to hold on. Defensive is also the best for him because you need alot less men to defend than you need to attack, making him even more suited to the task. 40k has some of, if not straight up the best writing in Sci-fi/fantasy I swear
Tarvitz knew he would die, but went down to Isstvan anyway.
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends”
*THIS PLACE WAS ISTVAAN III! AND WE'RE HERE UPON THE CORPSE ON THE GRAVE THAT WAS LEFT BEHIND*
WOULD YOU CONVINCE YOURSELF I AM A REMENANT SEEKING SAVING?
THIS IS NOT A CRIE FOR HEEEELP!! THIS IS A LURE I LEAD TO INVITE SOMERHING IN NEED OF SLAYING
I recently red galaxy in flames and my god that ending is so powerful. ill tell you this tho, for a newborn rebellion by the warmaster, it took lik 4 months to get rid of the marines in istvan 3 post bombing, Saul tarvitz was right, they did hurt them here.
And somehow some of the loyalists still remained on istvaan
God speed to by boy garviel loken
@@capsizemoonz2251 RYLANOR IS STILL THERE AFTER 10 THOUSAND YEARS JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT.
@@PillowsTHeImpaler gave one of the hardest speeches before nuking himself
The term "Lost Looking World Eaters" is just so heart breaking to me for some reason.
lokens last scene watching the final bombardment was the part that got me
Remember legit tearing up to that more than a decade ago.
Jesus christ, that 'This was the end" Hit so hard what the fuck
The great tragedy of the world eaters is not that they are mindless savages; It is the death of innocence. they were like children playing in their father’s shadow, and being scorned for it. So they modelled themselves after him, attempting to know his way. And only found themselves being dragged further down the same spiralling decent as their primarch.
Garviel Lokken. Saul Tarvitz. Nathaniel Garro. Tarik Togaddon. Fel Zharost. Iacton Qruze. Ullis Temeter. Huron-Fal.
Some of the many loyalists from the traitor legions.
May their sacrifice be not in vain.
Чувак Garro не умер на истване, он же потом странствующим рыцарем станет.
@@user-wh4eu1hl3v I know, but in a way, they’re all forgotten by most of the people in the present era. Only a few people do. And that’s considered “heretical”.
world eaters captain ehrlen, too
"The Loyalists did not throw themselves into cover or run for shelter, there was little point."
Shows how much it is over, they didn't bother going for cover since they knew they were dead. Probably knew from the start of the Istvaan III atrocity but still fought, to buy time for the Imperium and to spite those who betrayed them.
Never forget the last dreadnought holding his dying comrade as the virus bomb eats through the millions of microfractures in his iron casket. Honor the Legion brother.
Every sacrifice by loyalists bought the emperor time. Every minute they were taking up Horus' time were precious minutes the Empire of Man needed to bleed Horus dry, which inevitably led to him making his last ditch offer of a duel to the emperor.
"Did we hurt them?" Yes, brother. You made all the difference.
It’s kind of sad that even the world eaters had loyalists that were just confused by what was going on. Bloodthirsty combatants turned into lost lambs the moment they learned that they lost their purpose
"I deny you your victory"
I remember listening to this the first time and it really is just sad
There is always a hope in me that Garviel Loken will come charging back into 40k with a reborn Luna Wolves at his back.
He did become one of the people who made the grey knights
So maybe if the grey knights became a better faction yeah possibly
@@capsizemoonz2251 He was a knights errant. But he was not one of the founders who went with Titan into the warp. Loken stayed for the siege of Terra and his story is not done yet.
@@Leprechaunlock I don't wanna spoil
But Loken is right now on Vengeful Spirit in Siege of Terra
@@capsizemoonz2251mfw when GW made the Ultramarines, but worse out of the most based characters of 30k
“I will die on this world…”
Both great books I feel the pain from both books. However I feel as tho istvaan is worse. What do you think?
@@justinc9112 the betrayal of Istvaan III. Grimauldus’s is sad because he survived alone, the loyalists’ is sad because their moments were their fathers and brothers killing them for doing the right thing. The one nice thing is that at least on Istvaan III, they did not die alone and stayed true to the end
"For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my battle-brother eternal."
I don't care about alexis polucs, saul tarvitz held out for two months against a force 3 times his own and against 3 primarchs, would make the ultramarines blush.
I mean, they lost a good amount during the viral bombing, and they were up against tanks, vehicles and the Dies Irea, with only their might, and a few heavy weapons nests. Saul is a fucking legend, who thought he was only going to be a simple line officer
I always liked that the Emperor gave them second chance for vengance at the end of Master of Mankind book
It's a shame that many say that False Gods and Galaxy in flames are skipable. Istvan III is more tragic than V imo
What? I’ve never heard anyone say they’re skippable.
Who in the world says that books in a series are skippable? If someone just wants the plot points they should just read the wiki.
Bury My Heart at Istvaan III.
"There were not death guard in their numbers"
Man, that really hurt
A planet of death, sadness, and betrayal of the lowest kind, where the galaxy was inadvertently saved through the actions of heroes of the highest caliber's defient determination and undying loyalty to one man's dream for humanity.
For those who fell!
FOR THE HEROES OF ISTVAAN!
Reading the stories of the heresy made me really REALLY fucking haaaate chaos. The magnitude of the treachery, the depravity and the wastefulness of it all is enough to leave one stunned over and over and over again.
I always like that Nero Vipus, a sgt that was in Lokens company also was there with Tarvitz, I believe Tarvits even looks over and recognizes him just before their end....
i got attached to nero as much as tarvitz and tarik man
Saul, Nathaniel, Macer, Barabas and so many more, they shall be forever remembered as the Emperor's finest.
Ngl I’m both impressed and a little jealous this video had 431k views whilst my video (the original video without the meme format) has 183k views tho at the end of the day I’m more glad sooo many people have watched it and enjoyed it
I think this video is better as it has the meme faces. Good try though bro, you cant win them all.
I wish Toby Longworth would narrate more of the books. He is far and away the best.
That "a few lost looking world eaters" comment really hits hard
Angrons tale is a tragedy and his legion is the second most terrible part of it. The most terrible is the future that was lost with him.
And then you realize even further.... the father and his sons never wanted to go out how they did, they all wanted to fight, live, see the great crusade to it's glory, and the emperor decided a living weapon was more useful then trying to fix angron.
Death guard are the unspoken heroes, one of those born under the cursed sun that never shines through the god rotten sky of Krieg is worth one a many marines.
-Gareth, Kasarkin of the 117th (fighting for Tertium)
it's both a good quote... but god man that's not even the right death guard ;-;
As the final bombardment came, I, and the few brothers I had left lifted our gaze upward for a final time. Through the constant, pain inducing haze produced by the cursed nails within our skulls we saw the final ‘gift’ of our father. What bore his hatred for us, his once loyal sons we will now... never know.
„Lost looking World Eaters“ hit hard. Deep and hard…
It is not about loyalty, it is about doing what’s right.
Now that I rewatch this narrative many times over it makes me appreciate the authors writing. Grime streaked faces among the endless days and just to die together as brothers. Tarvitz and the remaining men fought waiting for their death and finally received an honorable one.
Oddly enough the Drop Site Massacre didn't really make me feel that much when I read about it. But the Last Stand at Istvaan III? That got to me
Tarvitz, Loken, Erhlen, Torrgadon, how you deserved so much better.
As awful as the betrayal is, it's a huge part of why the first dozen books or so are so incredible. Nothing can hit harder than a dream almost achieved, snatched from your grasp by the people you are supposed to trust and rely on, those people you call friend, or brother. The betrayal will never be forgotten, or forgiven.
Press F for the loyalist who fought and died on Istvaan
F
The traitor legions had so many advantages. Gear, better munition, the element of surprise, orbital bombardement and full legions.
Than they wanted to cull their legions and the loyalist weren't as foolish as they thought them to be. They fought back, and did so hard.
They haven't just lost a good part of their legion with the cull, but even more with the loyalist drawing time and some wargear upon that.
Also the prestige, that traitors and Buffed Choas Marines are not better than their loyalist counterpart.
When I first listened to this I didn't quite understand the context. After rewatching the video and realizing that these were the few men of the chapters still loyal, forced to wait for a horrible death at the hands of the people they once trusted most, it really broke my heart.
The first 3 books in the heresy are easily some of my favourite Sci fi novels
Shout out to the reader, the inflections and tone are perfect
"They all knew it"
A blend of brave acceptance and quiet defeat
Out of the entire Book that part was the best.
I almost feel like it was read with his morning voice.
God, listening to the audio book where this happened for the first time was so hard, my heart hurt for days after. In fact, I’d be lying if I said it still didn’t hurt now 😭
Which one?
@@jim4194 it was a while ago, part of the first five or so, I think it was Galaxy in Flames, although I could be wrong.
Having served this takes on a truly sad meaning for me. I was taught to pull the trigger on enemies, I was taught no hesitation same as any other. That being said if the one I was supposed to pull the trigger on was one of my own I don’t know if I could do it. The guys I worked with, lived with, drank with, laughed, bled, sweat, cheered, and suffered with for such important and memorable years of my life. Despite it all I don’t really know if I could ever bring myself to do it.
Honor and Glory!
Now they were brothers. Holy fuck that hit hard.
Name a sadder moment in the hersey
Istvaan V and the message Guilliman sent to Terra that he was but a few days away, only to be intercepted, comes close. But I really don't think anything tops Istvaan III
I listen galaxy in flames at least once a month. Definitely my favorite warhammer book besides storm of iron. The part where angron arrives and the world eaters just slam into each other and the last stand in the palace is enough to make any man add 20 lbs to his max
"Only in death does duty end" - a hero
The traitor primarchs were unworthy of their legions
Breaks my heart literlty breaks my heart. Istvan 3 and then Istvan 5. Darkest days in Imperium History. Brothers killing brothers...... they were meant to be so much more than that
Imagine being a Loyalist marine then being one of those 100 inside the War Singers temple, waiting until the battle overrun them. Knowing your Brothers names, pray with them and essentially die with them, thankful that Tarvitz was able to warn the loyalists of the Betrayal of Fulgrim and Horus.
"A vox in the void" beautifully read "cry havoc" details an old war hound world eater's final moments on istvaan 3.
You hurt them, my boys. You really hurt them 😢
Now I wanna hear about the traitors amongst the loyalist legions
They were in a better position but presumably they could just try to hijack ships and slip off, we have no indication they ever got Isstavan’d or anything.
You know people today ask why care about mythology and modern fiction that glorifies heroes in hopeless battles who hold to concepts of honor as old as our species. The reason is that this is not hero fantasy but rather an ideal to aspire to, to be of stern and sound mettle that if tested you too would hold to your morals in the face of hopelessness. It is a light in dark times as well as a reminder that life can be and will be as hateful and harsh as any foe in tales of old or modern fiction. That there are things worth bleeding and suffering for in spite of a modern world who claims there is nothing sacred anymore. Hold true heroes as an ideal to aspire to, use them to push you to be a better soul than the day before. The fleeting pleasures of a nihilistic surrender to a corrupt world will fade as soon as they are enjoyed but how those who live beyond you remember you will last generations if not all time.
My mind made an almost similar scene of sadness from the dialogue "we hurt them here.", where instead it's "We heard them here.", with a scene of some humans on an alien planet, hearing the last messages of a long extinct civilization.
Here's to the most glorious bastards to ever go down fighting.
May the Emperor protect the souls to the loyalist elements
Brotherhood trust was lost on the battle field, but let us remember the loyalist, remember your brothers.
We hurt them here. They'll remember this.