Imagine going into a random cave on vacation on another continent that doesn’t even speak your language and inside someone has a perfect map of your house, including how all of your furniture is laid out.
I need more creepy moments like this where even space marines are unsettled by the implications behind the mysteries of the galaxy . Not afraid, but moments where the alarms built into them yells “this is dangerous”
theres alot of this in the horus heresy although its mostly because of demonic activity that the athiest crusade-era astartes cant explain. Fear to Tread, Damnation of Pythos, and the original trilogy specifically
I enjoyed the Horus Heresy books, but those 4 books were ABSOLUTE CLASSICS. I try to listen to the first two books in particular at least once a year sense i've learned about the 40k audiobooks. I think this was peak fiction and its thanks to TTS that i've gotten so much into this series.
Sorry for a late reply. But they're probably talking about the first 4 Horus Heresy books. Those being Horus Rising (which this short is from), False Gods, Galaxy in Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein. @@Lfc04
I think that still goes to Lorgar and the Word Bearers. Their descent into Chaos started 50 years before the events of 6319. Argel Tal ventured into the Eye of Terror, at the behest of Lorgar, long before other legions became aware of Chaos itself.
@@TheCommissarGeneral I would argue that it was Magnus. He sold his eye to tzeench after all. That was before the emperor even found him if I remember correctly. Besides that, it was rather common for his thousand sons to employ deamon-familiars as well. But then again, knowing about deamons doesnt mean they knew about chaos. Those familiars didnt need to be chaos spawns (although at least some very likely were) and I guess Magnus didnt know who exactly he struck a deal with at the time.
Nah. They all knew about daemons. They just didn’t know they were daemons. On 6319, Loken even says he has fought the foul creatures of the warp. Everyone thought they were just manifestations of the warp itself though, not intelligent, not originating from higher powers
I always wonder what the Emperor thought when he saw that map. Maybe it was of M2 Earth, or even from the era of his birth. I always liked to think that he left orders that the mural was not to be disturbed, that the chamber was to be reinforced and kept in perpetuity like that, and that maybe sometimes as the Crusade swept near that world again, he'd visit, view the map, and have nostalgic memories that none on Terra could have anymore, bar a scant handful.
Emps is always hunting the crew of perpetuals he made the world with. Them being alive was always... inconvenient. The idea that this exists suggests at least some of them are still out there.
reminds me of Nathaniel during the invasion on a planet with the Deathguards along with the sister's of silence he encountered a xeno that showed what mortarion would've become traitorous even when horus announced he is the war master on xenobia....they became disturbed by it and a friend told loken about chaos before a war broke out (because erebus stolen a weapon) could it be the ones that escape terra during the age of strife knew and wanted to stay away from the imperium
I always wondered whether this was a hint that Terra isn't actually the Earth and that humanity had just relocated though how they would find another solar system nearly exactly alike to Earth's is impossible to say. Otherwise they could possibly have been refugees from the ancient wars. Either way it is very sinister.
Look up 6319. 19th Compliance from the 63rd Expeditionary Fleet. It's at the very very start of Horus Rising and plays into that a bit, but in all seriousness, Terra is Earth because there are still many features visible and still standing on it to be anything else. The most striking is that the Imperial Palace is built into the Himalayas. Not just on them, but IN them.
@@TheCommissarGeneral I suspect you are right though its possible that dark age of technology humans terraformed a new solar system and earth, a bit like how Fenris was totally artificial.
Could have just been that this species was actually Human colonists and their most treasured possession was this perfect map of Earth a perfect map that a STC likely could have made if asked to do so or perhaps some original colonists brought it along. Although that still leaves the question of what happened to them.
What did the Emperor do with the map? Destroy it so nobody can see how little remains from the Birthplace of Mankind? Hand it over to the Custodes to hold it save as a personal souvenir? Gifted to Horus or a other of his sons to remind them what they are fighting for? Gave it to Dorn so he could rebuild Terra it to image of old, returning it to old glory? Does this story have a end?
Nope! It’s one of those off handed stories to showcase the mysteries of the setting. I doubt they did anything with it besides take it as a curiosity and reference to Old Earth. Maybe stashed away in the Palace Library or given to some Imperial Historians.
It's stored away with the full accounts of the lost primarchs and the origins of the soul drinkers, raven guard, minotaurs, and carcharodons as well as many other imperial mysteries
It was likely made by a race of friendly aliens who had visited Terra during the Age of Technology, it seems these tourists liked our planet so much that they kept the map to remind them of their neighbors paradise.
or you could say that the aliens who had this map of our time were visiting and abducting humans , this is a sinister story line i would like to explore
The fact the knew so much about earth yet never saw them. It be like finding very detailed map of your house from when you were a kid in another country but in an old forgotten building no ones ben to for years. Someone was watching for a very long time, for what reason you will never know.
Yes, that is literally it. In a universe where mankind has been colonizing space for 25,000 years the Astartes Garviel Loken is freaked out that some xenos know about earth, and have for a long long time. Mankind presumably wasn't as xenophobic back then 😅
@@hellblaze10 correct. Hence only the emperor recognized it. However the book's feature focus is human civilizations that exist outside of the imperium and the means by which compliance is achieved. The map is most likely of human origin.
Could it be other humans?Other human civilizations were common during the Great crusade, one of it gone, what was left were ruins and the map which represents their nostalgia for Terra.
This seems likely to me. Humans were spread out in the galaxy so much, and then so isolated from eachother during the age of strife for so long, that totally unique cultures that barely resemble a human culture at all would have developed. Look at the interex from Horus rising. The great crusade is so massive, there's so many planets and cultures and aliens and battles that the lore has barely covered. It's an entire galaxy. So perhaps a culture of hive Mind humans developed, and this map of terra was an artefact that their planet had kept since the golden age of humanity.
If it is only a map why leaf it there as the only reminder of there civilasation? And the bigger question: a Species of probaly Xenos maded a map of Terra, for What? Invasion? Sience? As a Blueprint?
@@simoneichler7320 I like to buy maps when I visit foreign lands, they are cool, could just be a souvenir. A decorative piece own by an interstellar explorer or trader group
Imagine going into a random cave on vacation on another continent that doesn’t even speak your language and inside someone has a perfect map of your house, including how all of your furniture is laid out.
Spoopy
I love how he tells her this right after talking about seeing a celebration parade of people wearing giant fake heads.
My theory: colonization during the dark age. They created a memorial for their lost home, perhaps hid due to the men of iron rising
I need more creepy moments like this where even space marines are unsettled by the implications behind the mysteries of the galaxy .
Not afraid, but moments where the alarms built into them yells “this is dangerous”
theres alot of this in the horus heresy although its mostly because of demonic activity that the athiest crusade-era astartes cant explain.
Fear to Tread, Damnation of Pythos, and the original trilogy specifically
Little known fact: Garviel Loken *Hates* Maps. He plots his own course, and takes his own paths.
I enjoyed the Horus Heresy books, but those 4 books were ABSOLUTE CLASSICS.
I try to listen to the first two books in particular at least once a year sense i've learned about the 40k audiobooks.
I think this was peak fiction and its thanks to TTS that i've gotten so much into this series.
audiobooks are pure excellence. I'm glad they exist.
Which books are you talking about? I want to read them!
Sorry for a late reply. But they're probably talking about the first 4 Horus Heresy books.
Those being Horus Rising (which this short is from), False Gods, Galaxy in Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein. @@Lfc04
Likely it was latter given to Malcador to be housed in the Hall of Victories on Terra
Next to the Mona Lisa, eh?
@@TheCommissarGeneral And the Rosetta Stone.
And then loken would go on to be one of the first astartes to find out daemons are real
I think that still goes to Lorgar and the Word Bearers. Their descent into Chaos started 50 years before the events of 6319. Argel Tal ventured into the Eye of Terror, at the behest of Lorgar, long before other legions became aware of Chaos itself.
And even then the Blood Angels caught them head first in the Signus Campaign courtesy of a trap by Horus.
Alright, the first LOYALIST astartes to find out daemons are real
@@TheCommissarGeneral I would argue that it was Magnus. He sold his eye to tzeench after all. That was before the emperor even found him if I remember correctly. Besides that, it was rather common for his thousand sons to employ deamon-familiars as well.
But then again, knowing about deamons doesnt mean they knew about chaos. Those familiars didnt need to be chaos spawns (although at least some very likely were) and I guess Magnus didnt know who exactly he struck a deal with at the time.
Nah. They all knew about daemons. They just didn’t know they were daemons. On 6319, Loken even says he has fought the foul creatures of the warp. Everyone thought they were just manifestations of the warp itself though, not intelligent, not originating from higher powers
Rest in Peace, Garviel Loken
I always wonder what the Emperor thought when he saw that map. Maybe it was of M2 Earth, or even from the era of his birth.
I always liked to think that he left orders that the mural was not to be disturbed, that the chamber was to be reinforced and kept in perpetuity like that, and that maybe sometimes as the Crusade swept near that world again, he'd visit, view the map, and have nostalgic memories that none on Terra could have anymore, bar a scant handful.
It's an m3 map taken by an m3 generational ship, one mankind's first ventures into the stars I think. Probably didn't end well 😅 no STC tech yet
Emps is always hunting the crew of perpetuals he made the world with. Them being alive was always... inconvenient.
The idea that this exists suggests at least some of them are still out there.
And this is why everything gets purged. This is epic.
reminds me of Nathaniel during the invasion on a planet with the Deathguards along with the sister's of silence
he encountered a xeno that showed what mortarion would've become traitorous
even when horus announced he is the war master on xenobia....they became disturbed by it and a friend told loken about chaos before a war broke out (because erebus stolen a weapon)
could it be the ones that escape terra during the age of strife knew and wanted to stay away from the imperium
I always wondered whether this was a hint that Terra isn't actually the Earth and that humanity had just relocated though how they would find another solar system nearly exactly alike to Earth's is impossible to say. Otherwise they could possibly have been refugees from the ancient wars. Either way it is very sinister.
Look up 6319. 19th Compliance from the 63rd Expeditionary Fleet. It's at the very very start of Horus Rising and plays into that a bit, but in all seriousness, Terra is Earth because there are still many features visible and still standing on it to be anything else. The most striking is that the Imperial Palace is built into the Himalayas. Not just on them, but IN them.
@@TheCommissarGeneral I suspect you are right though its possible that dark age of technology humans terraformed a new solar system and earth, a bit like how Fenris was totally artificial.
@@TheCommissarGeneral "I was there, the day Horus killed the Emperor" fun and foreshadowing.
Or maybe Earth simply wasn't the birthplace of humanity
Could have just been that this species was actually Human colonists and their most treasured possession was this perfect map of Earth a perfect map that a STC likely could have made if asked to do so or perhaps some original colonists brought it along.
Although that still leaves the question of what happened to them.
The first three horus Heresy audio books are so good
Yeah. Maybe the other 50 are good too but i dont have the patience nor time to dig so deep.
@@SIGNOR-Gthe quality definitely wavers, but there are outstanding examples, like Prospero Burns, Master of Mankind, and so on.
@@KingLich451 if you can list the best i wouldnt mind so at least i can get a taste of the better stories.
What did the Emperor do with the map? Destroy it so nobody can see how little remains from the Birthplace of Mankind?
Hand it over to the Custodes to hold it save as a personal souvenir?
Gifted to Horus or a other of his sons to remind them what they are fighting for?
Gave it to Dorn so he could rebuild Terra it to image of old, returning it to old glory?
Does this story have a end?
Nope! It’s one of those off handed stories to showcase the mysteries of the setting. I doubt they did anything with it besides take it as a curiosity and reference to Old Earth. Maybe stashed away in the Palace Library or given to some Imperial Historians.
An*****
It's stored away with the full accounts of the lost primarchs and the origins of the soul drinkers, raven guard, minotaurs, and carcharodons as well as many other imperial mysteries
So, I found a school map... in a buried school.. maybe they had those amazing nuclear protection cells "desks" and some material on reproduction.
I used to live in a house in Dublin that's front door and fanlight was on postcards
Maybe the map was a sort of holiday snap
I have the audio books and I loved this bit in it the music makes it nice
Garviel and Mersadie were the second greatest couple in the setting.
And just like that xenos are scary again.
That must have been nostalgic for Big E.
I got Horus Rising for free, its a great listen
How?
@@elbolainas4174 Audible game me a free coupon, sorry for the late reply
My guess would be old ones related but still. Creepy to think about
It was likely made by a race of friendly aliens who had visited Terra during the Age of Technology, it seems these tourists liked our planet so much that they kept the map to remind them of their neighbors paradise.
or you could say that the aliens who had this map of our time were visiting and abducting humans , this is a sinister story line i would like to explore
I need that some nd ambiance.
The Cabal up to shenanigans
well thats creepy
Tzeench : hehe all part of my tomfoolery or is it
Oh way yes it is
Not
Hehe got no one
But you
Which is actually more than one
*Praise the Emperor beloved by all*
they do not date the map ? 50k years ? 1 million ?
Woah, i must know who what where when why
Probably the squats made the map.
oh my goodness, Dwarfs come from EARTH!?
Can someone explain to me why it was so unsettling that they found a map of ancient Terra? Is it because it was found on a xenos world?
The fact the knew so much about earth yet never saw them. It be like finding very detailed map of your house from when you were a kid in another country but in an old forgotten building no ones ben to for years. Someone was watching for a very long time, for what reason you will never know.
@@hellblaze10 And they still could be out there . watching you still. 🙂
Yes, that is literally it. In a universe where mankind has been colonizing space for 25,000 years the Astartes Garviel Loken is freaked out that some xenos know about earth, and have for a long long time. Mankind presumably wasn't as xenophobic back then 😅
@@ursinecanine9657 I think it was inferring pre golden age earth.
@@hellblaze10 correct. Hence only the emperor recognized it. However the book's feature focus is human civilizations that exist outside of the imperium and the means by which compliance is achieved. The map is most likely of human origin.
Mars
Could it be other humans?Other human civilizations were common during the Great crusade, one of it gone, what was left were ruins and the map which represents their nostalgia for Terra.
This seems likely to me. Humans were spread out in the galaxy so much, and then so isolated from eachother during the age of strife for so long, that totally unique cultures that barely resemble a human culture at all would have developed. Look at the interex from Horus rising.
The great crusade is so massive, there's so many planets and cultures and aliens and battles that the lore has barely covered. It's an entire galaxy.
So perhaps a culture of hive Mind humans developed, and this map of terra was an artefact that their planet had kept since the golden age of humanity.
Yeah, could be that the initial settlers were Human, but got invaded by the xeno
either killed each other, or something else happened to aliens.
For those that haven't finished Siege of Terra. Mercede Ollerton, is not loyal, even if she thinks she is. BLAME LORGAR
It's a map.... Chill out bro
If it is only a map why leaf it there as the only reminder of there civilasation? And the bigger question: a Species of probaly Xenos maded a map of Terra, for What? Invasion? Sience? As a Blueprint?
@@simoneichler7320 I like to buy maps when I visit foreign lands, they are cool, could just be a souvenir. A decorative piece own by an interstellar explorer or trader group
@@ursinecanine9657 Yeah but this is the Warhammer galaxy, so there is an infinite number of reasons why. And most of them are still unsettling.
@@ursinecanine9657 Someone is a xenohpile who doesn’t think aliens would snuff is out if given the chance
you missed the whole point of the video listen to Loken
Hero
it was the Alien’s plan to invade old earth millennia ago. but they died out before they had the chance.