Honestly the perk changes are fine cause I think more perks need to be changed for sure. The problem was that survivors got nothing to compensate for the huge killer buff. This update was def killer sided but like 85% killer sided. I think this update super highlighted the issues this game has always had.
Yeh of course whith your 80 seconds borrow time will be killer sided or most strong killer perks like tenkerer pop pain res dead mans ruin crupted thanato BUT hey dead hard got nerfed 😭
I feel like mmr shouldnt exist in its current state. As a killer, doing good against a sweaty swf one match then going against solo queue people with like 10 hrs isnt very fair
@@machpella It did, because MMR is awful, it would be better if mmr was based around how well you did ALL game rather than just whether you escape or not then it would be so much better
@@summersout1 agreed. I had a winstreak of around 12 with oni with 7 games of 4 kills and the others 3. Now i only manage to get 1 kill or 2 when they make a mistake. I bought dredge today and got 2 games ez 4ks since i believe mmr is also tied to the killer you play. Could be wrong tho
@@kroket_101 Yeah I believe it’s different per killer, but they should average out eventually. If you’re playing a killer you’ve never played before then they put you at mmr close to your other killers and it should even out
My 4 cents. Generally people want to win. If you have 5 people in a match then you usually have one bad bean. And if that bad bean is a killer all will have a bad time. So for the game to be fun for me (playing both sides), playing killer needs to be harder than playing survivor. Now I win every killer game easily and never escape a survivor game and that's just not fun for me.
"Survivors only feel powerless after getting tunneled or camped" ......well you just summarized 90% of current soloQ experience I don't understand how a patch that HELPS killers make them play in a scummier way all over
I play solo queue pretty much 95% of the time as survivor and honestly,Idk how I feel about a ping system. They would have to make it so perks like kindred,bond,alert,etc are still viable. I don't think you should just be able to put a marker on the map.
Omg! I'm the steve in the second game! Thats so cool haha. Your video makes some great points, but I'm defo struggling as a solo q player. The increase of gen time, and the amount of camping and tunnelling, its getting tiring.
i think theres a lot of things bhvr could improve gamewise for survivors (for killers too in ceratin aspects), as a 50-50 these few things are unfair imo and need some attention: 1. having the advantage of seeing the survivors names, item and platform before the end of the match should be fixed, streamers wont be able to play the "stream snipe" card anymore and stream snipers wouldnt be able to stream snipe or target a survivor that play on ceratin platform that is harder to play on. 2. theres a lot of slugging when it comes to the last 2 survivors in order to prevent hatch from the last survivor, i think bhvr should address this. 3. hatch again - killers should not be able to stand on the hatch and block it from a survivor forcing them to finish the remaining gens, thats holding the game hostage.
The things you listed are honestly out of their control... because all those things are things that a real-living person is choosing to do. Is it fair? No. but its not something I see that can be fixed. Tunneling is a great example of how the BHVR cant solve this. Because that is what the killer, a person, is choosing to do. And how they play is how they play, there is no stopping them. We cant control people. Just like how I cant control the survivors who sit at the opened gates tea-bagging (That is also holding the game hostage). Also, your last point, in my entire time watching and playing DBD, I have never seen a killer do that LOL maybe I am lucky. Your complaints are valid tho, don't get me wrong. But a solution to them is kinda out of our hands haha!
@@ArtVices you're not the game dev, you cannot speak for them and say what they can or cannot do. mind elaborating why you think game design is out of the devs control? theres nothing wrong with tunneling its a strategy, it wouldnt work if the game devs found a way to make it not as efficient as it is right now and its a great strategy against a coordinated altruistic swf. the thing with my last point and stating it is because people do that, for exmaple i could say ive never been tea bagged before, does it mean that tea bagging doesnt exist just because of it? no right? i cant make my experience of the game the only experience in the game for everyone. and lastly sitting in the gate tea bagging has a timer, you just wait it out, they will run out of time eventualy and quickly.
I agree with everything but no one actually seems to see the so called "reduced grind" is not what it seems. Veterans will benefit from this the most. For newer players it is so much worse. Overall, both sides feels like they are not being rewarded enough bloodpoints for the effort they put in a match and now that prestiging is mandatory to unlock perks, its even more difficult now because bloodpoint gains have been nerfed without WGLF or BBQ.
WGLF wasnt used by that many people but BBQ losing the BP bonus is brutal since killer is far more likely to max most or all of their categories if they play well. Plus BBQ is just a good perk for over half of all killers in the game in general so it was really just a nice bonus. The new Progression system has increased the grind signifcantly, especially if you dont play every goddamn killer. If you only play like 2-3 the system is the exact same if not worse, maybe if you play every killer or survivor it's fine but the grind for that is still monumental, several hundred million BP at minimum. The progression system change was a total fuckin flop.
One of the things that surprised me when I started playing DBD is how long 10 seconds truly is in this game. And as a Killer main, I am definitely enjoying this update, and things feel more fair from that perspective. But I also think they've done something to the match making because I am going against a lot of clearly new Survivors. I agree that the next thing they need to prioritize (or maybe should have done even before this patch) is the solo queue Survivor experience, because I have sympathy for how this patch has not helped them at all and has made their overall experience less rewarding. Great video, I always enjoy coming here for balanced and honest discussion on the game.
They need to make the emblem system affect matchmaking. Escapes should reward mmr but they shouldn't be the only metric. You can do all 5 gens, save all your teammates and cleanse all hex totems, but if you don't escape the matchmaking considers that a loss and you lose mmr, leading to worse teammates (on average, you can still dodge a console noob lobby and then in your very next lobby get 3 2k+ hour TTV's because matchmaking) making it harder to escape, further worsening teammates and the overall experience (more tunnelling/facecamping killers). Elo hell is very much a thing in this game for solo q. And getting hatch won't raise mmr. Only rewarding escapes leads to more selfish plays from survivors and only rewarding kills leads to more tunnelling and camping from killers.
I've been playing more since the update, and for a longer amount of time before getting frustrated and moving on to something else. I think part of the reason is that solo q matchmaking has been so quick now... now when I have a bad match I don't have to then wait forever to load into a new game, I can move on and forget about it. I do wonder what the reception has been like based on skill level/mmr. I assume I'm a lower mmr and play with players with less time in game, so before the update I felt like I did see quite a bit of variety in killers and perk loudouts. I myself used different loadouts simply because I didn't have enough blood points dumped into the game to unlock all the perks. You make a great point about solo q needing help! A way to communicate would be great. I feel like I am using bond and/or kindred in every match now so I'm not wasting precious gen time going to get an unhook someone else is also going for.
This update has been the final nail in the coffin for me playing this game. I always thought the better I got the more fun I'd have playing, silly me. Since this update I feel like dcing about every other game so I stopped playing almost entirely. I can't enjoy new killers and I can't enjoy solo q. Game is just about dead to me which is tragic. I've spent waaay to much of my life on this dumb game. I'd be surprised if anybody read my comment. Nobody wants to read an essay on TH-cam lol.
Me and my friends never touched dead hard, so the update didn't change our usual game one bit. 🤷♂️ Even if we solo. That 10 seconds don't mean much when you already hit great skillchecks. The changes I noticed is that killers are downing the random much faster now is where the game feels slower, cause you have to get off of the gens more to go rescue and potentially trade. But the biggest change I noticed solo queuing is people giving up on first hook cause they didn't get a third health state with dead hard like they used to, is people giving up on the first hook despite having proof the killer is gonna camp or tunnel them. I'd be in the middle of a chase right off a Gen and the smeg head decides that dying or disconnecting is a good idea. 😭 Camping and tunneling is definitely more punishing for solo queues now tho. Because before you had the safety net of dead hard for the third health state on top of the all the anti tunnel or second chance perks, so you can at least keep the killer on one person for quite a while. For swf this isn't a problem because they can have only one or two running anti tunneling now and everyone else can run generator or runner perks, where's as a solo you don't get the benefit of having free perks shared with the random and no communication to take hits or trade for each other.
I like this update but those killer queue are really long which is a bad thing but i mean when i wait i can watch something or do something when it’s still finding so not that bad. Only thing i don’t like is solo queue ( and killers queue times but i already said it ). For me it was fun but only cause i suck at survivor and know i’m not gonna win easily but people who really thing are good and want to win gonna have a bad time. VHS would be good idea but very long to do and ofcourse buggy and i’m think it would be simplified. Chat wheel or ping is good too and i heard it’s really easy to make. Maybe they didn’t do that already cause console but on them there are 4 not used buttons ( up and down d-pad, R3 or RS and L3 or LS ) so it can’t be it
Many killer mains (TH-camrs) disingenuously argue that it’s dead hard as to why survivors dislike the update… No, it’s the fact that so many changes on top of dead hard getting gutted happened which can feel like over kill. • 90 sec gens • Reduction in distance made after being injured ON TOP OF REDUCTION IN RECOVERY TIME AFTER A KILLER HITS YOU. (That’s 20% less distance if we ignore killer abilities like spirit, nurse, blight, etc). • Oni is still bugged, therefore he gets his power much faster & no one says anything abt that. He gotta be kill switched lol. • DS nerf • Due to the iron will nerf Spirit, Nurse, etc just got much stronger indirectly as a result… Great so they needed them for 0 reason basically. • Endurance meta along with all other metas GUTTED from the PTB • In end game the only perks that really do anything are Adrenaline & Hope as DS and Off the record got slaughtered in end game. • All this on top of not getting the extra information they promised solo que survivors they’d have to compensate these changes • On top of all this, it is the era of BS double range addon nurse • Plus bad teammates, 0 communication, DCs/Quitting each match… *This is just the top of the iceberg* *I’ve been told the solution is that all survivors should go play killer? Well good luck with the que times. One thing that makes survivor consistently still fun is RPD if you have a 4man so there u go*
I come back occasionally to grind for Rebecca's perks, playing as a solo survivor, and honestly, nothing has changed. Tunnelling, camping, nurses almost every game. This game really makes me want to take a break fast.
I was hoping they would change the repairing the generator mechanic, not holding the M1. They could add the obsession icon to all survivors but different from the actual obsession and when a survivor is being chased you can see the wiggle that we currently have in live game, it would make somewhat an improvment to solo q
i play since release and mostly killer over the years, and winning with a killer is absolut easy now. It kills all the fun as a killer player, i dont understand why ppl enjoy this... i win because of my fk OP perks, not by my skill. now i play mostly survivors and its brutal (solo-que). I know the solution to this. BHVR dont listen to tryhards... put the game for casuals, without SBMM and a Solo-Que only mode. You havnt any time to heal... you need to do Gens at any time.
I think the main issue is people giving up way too early into a match at 5 gens. I had a match going against a wraith who found me first. I ran immediately to a window while he was cloaked and kept slow vaulting. He immediately gave up on me, proceeded to chase someone else and down them 20 sec later and they insta DC. Seems like 90% of the DCs / hook give ups are people getting caught with their pants down in a bad spot and then quiting before even 1 gen gets done
I hate the new prestige system and how all my perks that I run for survivor were basically wiped out with nerfs all at once. The prestige system is terrible because it takes triple the amount of bloodpoints to get teachable perks. I only play claudette and spirit so having to spend 3x the amount of bloodpoints to get the perks on her is not a reduced grind and kills the game for me by having to do so much more work. And then they change the bloodpoint cap to 2 million and making it a 40000 max isn't enough. 2 million bp cap does absolutely nothing because I can just spend my points straight away. It is only useful for when new survivors or killers comes out but they should have increased the bp cap even more. Also in soloQ I am always the last teammate alive despite doing the most gens, being in the most chases and getting the most unhook so I end most matches just getting the hatch or opening the exit gate
I think that they need to change the way the perks work, 3 colors red yellow and green, if you are soloq u have the best version of the perks if u are playing wit 1 or 2 friends y version and if u are a full team u get red perks, the thing is that when u play against full stack they are OP and if u play against solo q the killer its just too strong.
This insight made me really happy, because you literally highlight my grievances with solo queue. Idc about the changes to deadhard, decisive strike, etc. I can adapt, and I have. But camping at 4 or 5 gens, and teammates that don't seem to be on the same planet as me, let alone same mmr, are my biggest gripes. Also, I don't play killer a ton, so I could be talking out my ass, but I don't think bloodlust 2 & 3 should exist. The same way deadhard rewarded bad plays, so does bloodlust. I don't think players should be rewarded for doing nothing special.
I saw your video and I've played dead by daylight for quite some time. Off and on the one thing that made me mad playing as a Survivor is I always get potato teammates. But I started to play killer more and more and more and more I actually enjoy playing the killer more. I still ain't playing a Survivor however it's really difficult to play a Survivor when you feel like the grind in the game is terrible and you can't get certain perks if you don't concentrate on one survivor. Killer perks are easy to obtain and easy to work around because a lot of basic perks are in the game. All In All I think they need a balance the solo queue experience for survivors. Maybe a skill based matchmaking with that end of it. And on both sides. The medicine seems to be shifting to where people are still using a lot of Second Chance perks like off the Record. The good thing is is I don't use or tunnel as much the only time I tunnel is when they have a flashlight. Because I don't have certain perks that allow me to knock it out of their hand. However I have tried killers that I'm normally bad with and starting to enjoy it. I do like the game when I do hope it gets better support and I hope they come up with some better Maps as well. Oh no I like the update I just wish they were tweak some things.
5 second ds stun should be brought back, if you asked me. It is supposed to be anti tunnel perk but it's so weak now that killers don't have to respect it at all.
I will say, and I know I'm a month late to this video, but I feel this update has made me try different perks. I have an item style loadout, a stealth loadout, and the usual gen repair build on my Ace. Along with a distraction build.
Smashed it, really enjoy these videos being divided into chapters as always, love the AOT edits. Agree with your thoughts overall! I think you're more than fair in your assessment of this patch, while the changes to Dead Hard and the installation of basekit BT have been a great adjustment to the meta, there's just so many almost.. unneeded changes? Gens taking 10 seconds longer to complete, the 10% increase in action speeds for killer, the buff to thanatophobia, I'm not even sure why these were implemented, but I really respect and appreciate BHVR for trying to shake things up with the meta. I am definitely seeing too many games drag out now, and by the time you're 10 minutes in, on your 2nd hook, and only 2 gens have popped, it doesn't feel worth sticking around for. But yeah, a solid verdict from yourself, not enough players take a step back and weigh the pros and cons, so I always appreciate your takes.
I think most of the changes were made to make the killer have more of a chance against swfs. Still most of the games youll get is solo queue people but the 10% action speed boost is fine. Killers need to waste less time in a chase because their time is more valuable than a survivor's. Lower tier killers like sadako, ghostface, doctor etc are more viable now. I think all the game needs now is solo queue buffs for it to be balanced
As survivor I like and dislike it. As someone whose into chases idk how to feel but there are definitely things that should be adjusted. Deadhard should at the very least be 0.7-0.8 secs long not 0.5 secs that’s just extremely imo.
I really love your editiong style, great job once again! The AoT edits were *chef's kiss* On the topic as a casual player myself I'll wait till it's settle a bit to go back to DbD
I'm loving this update. What I don't love are the amount of immersed survivors I've been getting queued up with. Last night I let myself die on first hook because two teammates didn't understand that hiding and avoiding objectives was bad. Only the ace on my team had a brain. The others were not worth my time. I don't care if I lose. I just want teammates that actually try. Try and do gens try to last in chases try to be altruistic when needed etc. If you're doing none of that. You're simply not worth my time, as arrogant as that sounds but I don't want to be stressed when playing solo queue. I want to have fun silly matches regardless of what the outcome will be.
Excellent job Gary. As someone who plays both sides I find this patch interesting. At the very least it is nice that it encourages players (at least survivors) to experiment more with perks so you don’t see the same stuff as much. Heck I’ve found my survivor experience a bit more fresh since I’m using different stuff. Granted, I try to avoid solo in general but still it has been interesting.
Solo queue update definitely coming in the next mid-chapter It has to If they don't the game WILL die Also tunneling being prevalent currently feels so unnecessary and I'm noticing mine and my teammates level of 'salt' has gone up significantly due to the frustration when I used to laugh at salty players before It can't be helped at this point honestly Also mmr is either bugged right now or there are so few survivor players that it's struggling to work properly
Those 10 extra seconds feel like 3 minutes, also a lot of the perk changes are horrible. I play killer and survivor equally, and killer is far more easier, and survivor is now really bad. Especially with the perk changes for survivor being degraded into be usless. I do think some maps favor killers and survivor differently. The dead hard change is alright. Also I think the ds nerf is unnecessary. But I don't know how to feel about this update.
One thing that I noticed is that survivors play the game like it was the old game, before this update, you can't run around and try looping the killer for ages anymore, you actually need to hide more. I think this update is good and I am a survivor main that never used DH or any exhausted perk because I have always tried to be sneaky and do my gens with Prove Thyself (Which is pretty much needed perk right now), and ofc get some unhooks there and there. Solo Q's are very low chance to survive because of the survivors that hasn't figured out how to play in this update.
While listening to this video I got camped by a plague with thanatophobia jolt. My team surprisingly played quite well but the plague after we opened the gate downed me and proceeded to hit me on hook and vomit on me until I died.
Solo q (also a bit duo) is way worse now. Killer feels more fine, even if swf are always super strong, and some maps atrocious. Solo q problems are no communication to face vs hardcore tunnel and camp, that need a nerf like artist that cant use power near hook, and buff to base bt (also random DC/give up is a real thing on solo q).
I’m quite new to the game so I can’t say for certain that if these changes will good or bad for long term because we still have to adjust to the update but isn’t it overall a net positive to the game? They have stated and proved with statistics and data that the game was survivor sided and that they would adjust this to make it more ‘balanced’ in the sense of games won/lose to as close to 50%. With this patch it has definitely favoured killers however a small part of me saids that no way is the patch surely killing the game as others say. Could I be completely wrong? Or is it that people just aren’t accustomed to it yet so we can’t accurately gauge the impact? Idk. For sure there are some glaring issues that need to be urgently addressed, no doubt. However for people saying to revert the patch and that this will kill the game just seems incorrect. (Ps, comment made before watching the video so he could address my thoughts)
Before the patch there were 46k players in the new anniversary month. Pre-anniversary there were 32k. Currently last 30 days we're at 36k, so a 10k drop from anniversary, but not as low as before the anniversary patch. As far as the devs proving anything with data, they haven't proven anything, and their wording was also ambiguous(They said kill rates were lower than they'd like to see, not that they were lower balance wise, they use ambiguous wording like this a lot though to keep from lying about things). Kill rates the last time I saw them(which was before other nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers happened, as well as before a lot more killer sided maps like Midwich), were hovering between 60-70%, and all maps were above 50% kill rate, though a few admittedly were only around a 53% kill rate, but none were below 50%. There have been no major survivor buffs since Circle of Healing, which has been nerfed pretty significantly to the point you hardly see it anymore.
Honestly, i think this update was kind of needed in some way. The meta was really unhealthy to the point that alot of killers straight up said killer was incredibly stressful. I mean think about it, before this update you had to think of atleast 3 perks and treat every survivor like they had those perks, cause 90% of the time, they did. It was unhealthy. Solo q was always bad, theres no way around it, which is why i never complained about swfs. Honestly this update felt like ripping off the band aid. It hurts in the moment, but after some time i think well adjust and be fine with it
after this update soloq escape rate is like 10%, beside the godlike survivors that have like 20-30% escape rate. depend on their region. overall now include 4-3-2men squads the escape rates are 39% pepega game.
I don’t under stand how you can complain about “second chance perks” when you can deadass run a perk that allows you to Mori a survivor that hasn’t been hooked once, and the only way you get it is by not face camping, bruh.
Games did not become balanced when MMR was released. The basis of "skill" is horribly misplaced. Myself and others have been screaming for nearly a year, or more that our MMR as a survivor is drastically too low. Before the patch, my escape rate across 1700 games(yeah that's a lot but I have 5k hours) was 17%. Why? Being tunneled for 5 gens + EGC and face camped. Why does this happen? Because a killer gets so twisted when a survivor is better than they are. According to BHVR, getting down once in a 7-10 minute chase means you're a bad survivor.
DBD is just to random to be balanced map rng and some maps in general are to killer or survivor sided. To make the game more fun and balanced, you need to remove map rng and have them be fixed with the same tiles and pallet spawns. Nerf OP killers tremendously and buff the weaker killer by alot, nerf camping and tunneling and get a better anti cheat.
That was a nice breakdown and analysis of the current state. I do believe the devs could implement some sort of communication system to aid solo players with their teammates, perhaps even in the pregame lobby so team can adapt and adjust their items and perks if needed. Comms may help balance the scales and user experience in general for all players.
As someone that mostly watches others play, but typically plays either killer or open lobby survivor with some of the smaller content creators I watch (so I know who my teammates are, but there's little to no comms) when I do play, I saw the soloq experience taking a massive L when these changes hit the PTB. I think in a bubble, these changes are very good for the game and remove a lot of the unfair aspects of perks, as you mentioned. But...the update came too soon. Things to help soloq out needed to happen before big killer changes, or at least in the same patch. But there wasn't much to help out soloq aside from the basekit BT and things like Off the Record allowing you to give yourself a longer BT. We still don't have the HUD status icons, no basekit kindred, nothing like that to at least mitigate the lack of communication. They also gutted a lot of perks more than they really needed to, imo. Things like DS being reduced to 3s was unnecessary; the problem with DS was it making people immune in the end game, which they fixed. They didn't need to also make the actual stun worthless. DS was an interesting anti-tunnel perk because simply the threat of it helped prevent tunneling, even if a survivor didn't have it. Now...honestly, who even cares if you have it. The 3s is nothing, so more people are tunneling regardless. The games I played in an open lobby I had a ton of fun. I don't think I escaped in most of them because I often sacrificed myself to get the others out. But I had the benefit of knowing who my teammates were that I was making a sacrifice for, so to me it would still feel like some sort of victory even if I didn't escape. You don't get that in soloq. And the queue time disparity exacerbates the issue since survivors know that they'll probably get an instant lobby after they kill themselves on hook to go next at 5 gens, so they give up early more often. I didn't have to deal with that when I was playing with people I knew, so my games felt a lot more fun.
All I know is that last time I played this game in early 2021 it was WAY better. The only good update they had apart from events, characters and maps was making Freddy less OP. I've played it the last week and it's so bad man. It would give Noob 3 a run for his money. Why are OP killers in IV (Level 20) matches?? Send them straight to higher-based players.
As an killer main it always bugged me.. WHY TF DONT SURVIVORS HAVE SOME SORT OFF VOICE CHAT OR QUICK MESSAGES LIKE IN IDENTITY V???? LIKE GIVE SURVIVORS A BUTTON WHERE THEY CAN SAY "AY RANDOM DWIGHT SITTING IN A LOCKER AND JERKING OFF GO DO A GEN FFS!" OR AT LEAST LIKE A QUICK MESSAGE LIKE "KILLER IS CHASING ME" "DO GENS" ETC... IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO CODE IN???? But on a serious note they try to balance survivors around swf squads instead off soloq they should try to make soloq bearable THEN balance survivors bc right now... you aint doing us a favor bhvr you are just giving us an easier time as an killer main i can safely say that.
@@psylina on live, although as a survivor main that’s when ds strike shined Bc most killers would tunnel endgame, it’s ok tho we just have to deal with it and not complain like everything else
I'm surprised at how much I'm enjoying the new update, from the POV of a guy who plays mainly solo queue. I'm winning roughly half of my matches and having fun experimenting with the changed perks to see what builds I can come up with. As always, nice video BTW. A possible idea for the future: Why is it so hard to make a successful 1 v 4 multiplayer game? So many of these games have died out (Evolve, Deathgarden etc), I often wonder how Dead By Daylight managed to survive and actually flourish.
Dead by Daylight survives and flourishes purely because they have licenses. It had a good start, and when they got the money for good licenses they used it, then realized that they could continue pumping out new licenses to keep it going. You'll notice the playerbase dwindles for a while between licenses. When it starts dwindling, or they expect it to dwindle, they announce a new license.
This UPDATE IS SO STUPID ALL MY FRIENDS QUIT PLAYING SO I BEEN SOLO QN n I had enough never thought I’d UNINSTALL THIS GAME AFTER 4 years I hate I this game . Thanks devs u wasted my money
BHVR couldn't take player advice if they provided surveys for everybody to complete... OH WAIT! That's exactly what they do! And this is the type of response they think is necessary to player feedback? The devs put high viewed streamers on their payroll in hopes of creating and maintaining a certain player base, instead of fixing and balancing the game. Check out Steam Charts DBD... before the yearly event, the player base was at a 5-year low. Currently... -22-30% depending on what source you check. What a joke of a Public Relations/Marketing team whose job is to survey and analyze players.
10:57 I don't get this point. You're upset that your teammates can't do dumb shit and get away with it? Of course you should be punished if you make a mistake, even in solo queue.
UI update was pointless and just served to patch glitch cosmetics for the 1000th time. Grind reduction made the grind worse in many cases. Not really sure what to be excited about.
the thing is (i'll never understand why people don't think like this), you will most likely win if you head in a match and you're playing against a solo queue team. It's the weakest of all and doesn't mean the patch itself made the whole game killer sided, it just means that the weakest side of survivors, aka solo queue, is the one that will most likely die, because you'll go against people that relied on dh too much, and don't know how to properly loop, or the mmr itself being bad and pairing you up against people that aren't good compared to you, a good killer (i'm giving an example). So the issue isn't the update, but better yet the other issues, like mmr, like people just being bad, like maps being busted for certain roles (midwich, dead dawg for killer and garden of joy, rpd, lery's for survivors). If a good killer went against a good swf team, the killer will still probably lose. I've had matches where i've gone against players that are a similar skill level as me and i've lost almost all the time, because they know when they are on a good map, what to do, when to pre-drop, when to greed. It's still a non-balanced game, and to be frank, i don't think it ever will be, but at least this was an update that made survivors that little bit easier to deal with.
Late to the video, but I think this was one of the best updates! I play survivor MORE because of the perk nerfs. I dont feel like I'm nerfing myself by not using Iron will and dead hard. I can use a bunch of builds and perk combos that i normally wouldn't use. Its a breath of fresh air, even this much later since Wesker has been out.
Me, the average solo q player utilize info perks suck as Bond, window of opportunity, alert, and dark sense. solo q has been easier having good info on mindless and godly tm8s. So whoever is a solo q player. INFO is key.
But like fr though people are feeling the effects of this patch so much because their second chance perks have been nerfed. It all adds up sure, but that is 100% the biggest factor here, and everybody is talking around it. All the DH and DS nerf did was two things. Firstly it separated the wheat from the chaff in terms of mediocre and actually good loopers. Second, as you said in the video it removed the third health state that was pretty much on every single survivor in the game. Ong if DH was the same the game would feel almost no different. Also you said gen slow down meta wasn’t any different from before. If you mean in terms of general gen slow down yeah true but if you meant perk wise I’d beg to differ. Pop, Ruin, and Pain Reso have all been pretty much gutted, leaving only thana and pentimento as the only real passive slow down perks, of which, thana is too easy to counter if you find yourself running into it a lot. Pentimento though is a tad annoying, they could definitely lower it to 20-25% as a start and see how that feels. Good video though, appreciate the thoughts in the new path, keep it up.
I don’t understand how people complain about tunneling, BT got a massive buff at 15 seconds plus the speed boost, not to mention off the record. If you need 5 seconds ds on top of that you honestly just need to get good.
You only get the benefit of BT if your team runs it, you only get the benefit of OTR if you have it and it's not end game. Otherwise you have 5 seconds of 'protection' easily waited out. Also, kinda stinky to be taken out of a match early, not getting to actually play. Especially when it's unnecessary the majority of the time.
@@elsiebee33 yes thats what perks are for…. To be used lmao??? You only get off the record if you use it, well buddy if you’re getting tunneled and you can’t rely on teammates maybe you should use it. Literally you and your team have perks to counter it, might i suggest getting gud
@@cornpop838 Do you play survivor? Have you ever tried to stop someone from being tunneled? There's a reason people say to just stick on gens, if a killer is truly determined to tunnel in solo there isn't much you can do about it, BT OTR or no. Also, does "just git gud" apply to killers who tunnel at 5/4 gens just to get a kill orrrrrrrr...
@@elsiebee33 i have 4k hours(not a good thing) you can easily not get tunneled by actually knowing how to loop and using proper perks. You don’t know what you’re honestly talking about
I think at this point it's just become overdone with the being upset over this patch. 1. It will not be reverted this is confirmed by the devs 2. If you don't like the game than stop playing. I know how much you think disconnecting from a game will make the devs revert the change because of your little protest but it won't If you don't like it leave and if not stop complaining
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 Well your "point" reads like I should protest and not support the awesome AoT crossover because I have some criticisms of the 6.1.0 update. It's DbD, it's not that deep...
just add chat wheel to the game and solo queue will be much better lol Game still feels the same to me tbh, i used get unfortunate teammates, i still do and i used to usually survive, i still do.If anything playing killer doesnt feel like "guess the dead hard" anymore, less of a chore, its nice feeling.
Year I'm bored of this game..what they've done to solo survivers game play is the same as they've done with sonic over the years the game that came out over 30 years ago can still be played to day. And the new games are basically press X..there's no skill no fun no point in playing solo now..and the content that's been put in is a JOCK..
Honestly I personally think it was the best update that could ever happen to DBD. Nerfing survs after about 4 years or something and finally buffing killers and changing the meta which was the same since the beginning was a good thing and exactly what DBD needed.
I've played plenty of solo que matches that never really seem unfair. As long as players are actively trying to win, it's actually fine. You can't really balance the game around unskillful play. There are perks that help solo que survivors coordinate with their team more easily like bond and kindred are really good ones. (Both are actually free to get.) Yes killers are stronger, but they kinda needed to be.
Honestly most of this is subjective. This is the best update ever as far as answering to the years of outreach from the community. Survivors have always had the upper hand throughout the history of dbd. Before people cry “killer main” I have almost 5k hours with about 3.8k hours on survivor.
the problem is survivor has been so overpowered for so long, they have become delusional. now they actually have to play the game and not have a win handed to them, so they're getting mad
Off the records is basically a second D visive strike … survivors complaining about very light nerfs on a couple of perks is ridiculous … you talk about killers BUFFS, but in reality are barely noticeable. And about old Dead Hard, yes it’s just whining about a free second chase … in my killer games I still see dead hard used perfectly by good players … It strong as it was before the update but requires more skill, which 90% of survivor players don’t have apparently. Yeah kill rates will increase cause survivors are just disconnecting on purpose, not because the game is more difficult…. Sorry mate you are playing too much survivor and can’t understand the game properly…
As someone who plays both (mostly killer a bit) but i watch a lot of dbd streamers, i feel like I have a good perspective.... Most of the people I see complaining are survivors who are so used to winning, IMO. Watching and playing as killer in the old meta got pretty stale/annoying fast when it was the same build/circumstance every game and the killer could do nothing about it. Then the same survivors sit at the gate tea-bagging holding the game hostage because they want the killer to watch them leave. lordy that's annoying. I bet those ppl that did that are the same ones who are dying and crying about this update LOL ... So anyway, yes this update helped killers a lot, but that doesn't mean its the end of the world for survivors! Its just the matter of learning the new meta. I said this before but a lot of people (survivors) correlate "winning" with having fun. I have had so many matches where i got destroyed as killer but I keep playing because..... duh. I am letting myself get better. I /want/ to get better so the wins become more rewarding! If you played as killer before the update you'd know we kinda needed this... the DEVS showed us the statistics and most survivors were escaping. Yall were doing great. We needed to spice this up, lol! If you're a survivor griping about this I'm sorry but if you just keep playing it'll get better. I am honestly cracking up these days playing as a survivor and dying but its because I am not taking it so hard. I used to rely on my team to support me but now my team is dying with me so I really gotta learn!! For them! I have a lot of discovering to do. We all do. And we all make up this game. So lets work together instead of fighting each other over this haha!
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Basically this update meant I went from being sick of pain res/dms to being sick of dying light/thana. The 'new meta' doesn't feel all that fresh, lol
Honestly the perk changes are fine cause I think more perks need to be changed for sure. The problem was that survivors got nothing to compensate for the huge killer buff. This update was def killer sided but like 85% killer sided. I think this update super highlighted the issues this game has always had.
Yeh of course whith your 80 seconds borrow time will be killer sided or most strong killer perks like tenkerer pop pain res dead mans ruin crupted thanato BUT hey dead hard got nerfed 😭
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@@ekram1v135 Chill
@@ekram1v135 you clearly didnt read what they said they said the perk changes were fine..learn how to read for the love of god
@@ekram1v135 someone's been tunneling
I feel like mmr shouldnt exist in its current state. As a killer, doing good against a sweaty swf one match then going against solo queue people with like 10 hrs isnt very fair
You think old matchmaking does this better??
@@machpella It did, because MMR is awful, it would be better if mmr was based around how well you did ALL game rather than just whether you escape or not then it would be so much better
@@summersout1 agreed.
I had a winstreak of around 12 with oni with 7 games of 4 kills and the others 3.
Now i only manage to get 1 kill or 2 when they make a mistake.
I bought dredge today and got 2 games ez 4ks since i believe mmr is also tied to the killer you play. Could be wrong tho
@@kroket_101 Yeah I believe it’s different per killer, but they should average out eventually. If you’re playing a killer you’ve never played before then they put you at mmr close to your other killers and it should even out
@@machpella the old matchmaking was horrific…and it was miles better than the garbage we have now
My 4 cents.
Generally people want to win. If you have 5 people in a match then you usually have one bad bean. And if that bad bean is a killer all will have a bad time.
So for the game to be fun for me (playing both sides), playing killer needs to be harder than playing survivor.
Now I win every killer game easily and never escape a survivor game and that's just not fun for me.
whats your rank?
"Survivors only feel powerless after getting tunneled or camped" ......well you just summarized 90% of current soloQ experience
I don't understand how a patch that HELPS killers make them play in a scummier way all over
You cant buff Killers and nerf survivors, that is not balanced.
Yeah you can
I play solo queue pretty much 95% of the time as survivor and honestly,Idk how I feel about a ping system. They would have to make it so perks like kindred,bond,alert,etc are still viable. I don't think you should just be able to put a marker on the map.
I think I just want something that lessens the divide between swfs and solo queue, but I do see your point about kindred etc
Omg! I'm the steve in the second game! Thats so cool haha. Your video makes some great points, but I'm defo struggling as a solo q player. The increase of gen time, and the amount of camping and tunnelling, its getting tiring.
i think theres a lot of things bhvr could improve gamewise for survivors (for killers too in ceratin aspects), as a 50-50 these few things are unfair imo and need some attention:
1. having the advantage of seeing the survivors names, item and platform before the end of the match should be fixed, streamers wont be able to play the "stream snipe" card anymore and stream snipers wouldnt be able to stream snipe or target a survivor that play on ceratin platform that is harder to play on.
2. theres a lot of slugging when it comes to the last 2 survivors in order to prevent hatch from the last survivor, i think bhvr should address this.
3. hatch again - killers should not be able to stand on the hatch and block it from a survivor forcing them to finish the remaining gens, thats holding the game hostage.
The things you listed are honestly out of their control... because all those things are things that a real-living person is choosing to do. Is it fair? No. but its not something I see that can be fixed. Tunneling is a great example of how the BHVR cant solve this. Because that is what the killer, a person, is choosing to do. And how they play is how they play, there is no stopping them. We cant control people. Just like how I cant control the survivors who sit at the opened gates tea-bagging (That is also holding the game hostage). Also, your last point, in my entire time watching and playing DBD, I have never seen a killer do that LOL maybe I am lucky.
Your complaints are valid tho, don't get me wrong. But a solution to them is kinda out of our hands haha!
@@ArtVices you're not the game dev, you cannot speak for them and say what they can or cannot do.
mind elaborating why you think game design is out of the devs control?
theres nothing wrong with tunneling its a strategy, it wouldnt work if the game devs found a way to make it not as efficient as it is right now and its a great strategy against a coordinated altruistic swf.
the thing with my last point and stating it is because people do that, for exmaple i could say ive never been tea bagged before, does it mean that tea bagging doesnt exist just because of it? no right? i cant make my experience of the game the only experience in the game for everyone.
and lastly sitting in the gate tea bagging has a timer, you just wait it out, they will run out of time eventualy and quickly.
@@jonsnows5340 entitled survivor main
@@viipervenom4648 someone got bullied so hard at school they wanna bully others. i play both, get a life karen. :)
I agree with everything but no one actually seems to see the so called "reduced grind" is not what it seems. Veterans will benefit from this the most. For newer players it is so much worse. Overall, both sides feels like they are not being rewarded enough bloodpoints for the effort they put in a match and now that prestiging is mandatory to unlock perks, its even more difficult now because bloodpoint gains have been nerfed without WGLF or BBQ.
That's actually a very interesting points, I only really see it from the veteran perspective, I might have to do some maths!
It's also worse if you're trying to grind rare items/add ons for a character, as you have to keep going through low levels where they don't drop.
WGLF wasnt used by that many people but BBQ losing the BP bonus is brutal since killer is far more likely to max most or all of their categories if they play well. Plus BBQ is just a good perk for over half of all killers in the game in general so it was really just a nice bonus. The new Progression system has increased the grind signifcantly, especially if you dont play every goddamn killer. If you only play like 2-3 the system is the exact same if not worse, maybe if you play every killer or survivor it's fine but the grind for that is still monumental, several hundred million BP at minimum.
The progression system change was a total fuckin flop.
They should just reduce bp cost by like 1000 for each item so like 2000,3000,4000 and 8000
“Dead hard is a .5 second DAB”. I died 😂
One of the things that surprised me when I started playing DBD is how long 10 seconds truly is in this game. And as a Killer main, I am definitely enjoying this update, and things feel more fair from that perspective. But I also think they've done something to the match making because I am going against a lot of clearly new Survivors. I agree that the next thing they need to prioritize (or maybe should have done even before this patch) is the solo queue Survivor experience, because I have sympathy for how this patch has not helped them at all and has made their overall experience less rewarding. Great video, I always enjoy coming here for balanced and honest discussion on the game.
I really appreciate that! And yeah I think the game is overall more fair for killers now which is a nice positive of this update!
They need to make the emblem system affect matchmaking. Escapes should reward mmr but they shouldn't be the only metric. You can do all 5 gens, save all your teammates and cleanse all hex totems, but if you don't escape the matchmaking considers that a loss and you lose mmr, leading to worse teammates (on average, you can still dodge a console noob lobby and then in your very next lobby get 3 2k+ hour TTV's because matchmaking) making it harder to escape, further worsening teammates and the overall experience (more tunnelling/facecamping killers). Elo hell is very much a thing in this game for solo q. And getting hatch won't raise mmr.
Only rewarding escapes leads to more selfish plays from survivors and only rewarding kills leads to more tunnelling and camping from killers.
Oh and kindred should be base kit
I've been playing more since the update, and for a longer amount of time before getting frustrated and moving on to something else. I think part of the reason is that solo q matchmaking has been so quick now... now when I have a bad match I don't have to then wait forever to load into a new game, I can move on and forget about it.
I do wonder what the reception has been like based on skill level/mmr. I assume I'm a lower mmr and play with players with less time in game, so before the update I felt like I did see quite a bit of variety in killers and perk loudouts. I myself used different loadouts simply because I didn't have enough blood points dumped into the game to unlock all the perks.
You make a great point about solo q needing help! A way to communicate would be great. I feel like I am using bond and/or kindred in every match now so I'm not wasting precious gen time going to get an unhook someone else is also going for.
Yeah I wish we could get more data about MMR sometimes. I think I might pinch your build as well, I imagine Kindred/Bond is really nice at the moment!
Casual DBD solo player here... Came back today to find the state of the game - and yes, definitely playing something else lol!! Great video though!
This update has been the final nail in the coffin for me playing this game. I always thought the better I got the more fun I'd have playing, silly me. Since this update I feel like dcing about every other game so I stopped playing almost entirely. I can't enjoy new killers and I can't enjoy solo q. Game is just about dead to me which is tragic. I've spent waaay to much of my life on this dumb game.
I'd be surprised if anybody read my comment. Nobody wants to read an essay on TH-cam lol.
I feel the same way.
Me and my friends never touched dead hard, so the update didn't change our usual game one bit. 🤷♂️ Even if we solo. That 10 seconds don't mean much when you already hit great skillchecks.
The changes I noticed is that killers are downing the random much faster now is where the game feels slower, cause you have to get off of the gens more to go rescue and potentially trade.
But the biggest change I noticed solo queuing is people giving up on first hook cause they didn't get a third health state with dead hard like they used to, is people giving up on the first hook despite having proof the killer is gonna camp or tunnel them. I'd be in the middle of a chase right off a Gen and the smeg head decides that dying or disconnecting is a good idea. 😭
Camping and tunneling is definitely more punishing for solo queues now tho. Because before you had the safety net of dead hard for the third health state on top of the all the anti tunnel or second chance perks, so you can at least keep the killer on one person for quite a while. For swf this isn't a problem because they can have only one or two running anti tunneling now and everyone else can run generator or runner perks, where's as a solo you don't get the benefit of having free perks shared with the random and no communication to take hits or trade for each other.
I like this update but those killer queue are really long which is a bad thing but i mean when i wait i can watch something or do something when it’s still finding so not that bad. Only thing i don’t like is solo queue ( and killers queue times but i already said it ). For me it was fun but only cause i suck at survivor and know i’m not gonna win easily but people who really thing are good and want to win gonna have a bad time. VHS would be good idea but very long to do and ofcourse buggy and i’m think it would be simplified. Chat wheel or ping is good too and i heard it’s really easy to make. Maybe they didn’t do that already cause console but on them there are 4 not used buttons ( up and down d-pad, R3 or RS and L3 or LS ) so it can’t be it
Yeah I'm really hoping that when incentives come back killer queue times become far less punishing!
Many killer mains (TH-camrs) disingenuously argue that it’s dead hard as to why survivors dislike the update…
No, it’s the fact that so many changes on top of dead hard getting gutted happened which can feel like over kill.
• 90 sec gens
• Reduction in distance made after being injured ON TOP OF REDUCTION IN RECOVERY TIME AFTER A KILLER HITS YOU. (That’s 20% less distance if we ignore killer abilities like spirit, nurse, blight, etc).
• Oni is still bugged, therefore he gets his power much faster & no one says anything abt that. He gotta be kill switched lol.
• DS nerf
• Due to the iron will nerf Spirit, Nurse, etc just got much stronger indirectly as a result… Great so they needed them for 0 reason basically.
• Endurance meta along with all other metas GUTTED from the PTB
• In end game the only perks that really do anything are Adrenaline & Hope as DS and Off the record got slaughtered in end game.
• All this on top of not getting the extra information they promised solo que survivors they’d have to compensate these changes
• On top of all this, it is the era of BS double range addon nurse
• Plus bad teammates, 0 communication, DCs/Quitting each match…
*This is just the top of the iceberg*
*I’ve been told the solution is that all survivors should go play killer? Well good luck with the que times. One thing that makes survivor consistently still fun is RPD if you have a 4man so there u go*
Cry about it entitled survivor main
The devs literally said killers weren’t killing at a high enough rate, this update was supposed to be killer sided.
Your pacing is really pleasant to listen to! My favorite line was “them being useless is pure joy… mostly”
I come back occasionally to grind for Rebecca's perks, playing as a solo survivor, and honestly, nothing has changed. Tunnelling, camping, nurses almost every game. This game really makes me want to take a break fast.
Your insane
I was hoping they would change the repairing the generator mechanic, not holding the M1.
They could add the obsession icon to all survivors but different from the actual obsession and when a survivor is being chased you can see the wiggle that we currently have in live game, it would make somewhat an improvment to solo q
the quality of this video is unbelievable! you really did put effort into this!
i play since release and mostly killer over the years, and winning with a killer is absolut easy now. It kills all the fun as a killer player, i dont understand why ppl enjoy this... i win because of my fk OP perks, not by my skill.
now i play mostly survivors and its brutal (solo-que).
I know the solution to this. BHVR dont listen to tryhards... put the game for casuals, without SBMM and a Solo-Que only mode. You havnt any time to heal... you need to do Gens at any time.
Cmon stop lying 😂 you are a survivor main 😂
@@hhnmx9408 i play mostly, bit since 6.1 more Survs. And yes, Killer is fking easy. thats a fact.
@@ahrimusifosil9207 Killer is easy against solos but swfs is Problem except you are blight or nurse. Try clown or trickster against a swf good luck
I think the main issue is people giving up way too early into a match at 5 gens. I had a match going against a wraith who found me first. I ran immediately to a window while he was cloaked and kept slow vaulting. He immediately gave up on me, proceeded to chase someone else and down them 20 sec later and they insta DC. Seems like 90% of the DCs / hook give ups are people getting caught with their pants down in a bad spot and then quiting before even 1 gen gets done
I hate the new prestige system and how all my perks that I run for survivor were basically wiped out with nerfs all at once. The prestige system is terrible because it takes triple the amount of bloodpoints to get teachable perks. I only play claudette and spirit so having to spend 3x the amount of bloodpoints to get the perks on her is not a reduced grind and kills the game for me by having to do so much more work. And then they change the bloodpoint cap to 2 million and making it a 40000 max isn't enough. 2 million bp cap does absolutely nothing because I can just spend my points straight away. It is only useful for when new survivors or killers comes out but they should have increased the bp cap even more.
Also in soloQ I am always the last teammate alive despite doing the most gens, being in the most chases and getting the most unhook so I end most matches just getting the hatch or opening the exit gate
I think that they need to change the way the perks work, 3 colors red yellow and green, if you are soloq u have the best version of the perks if u are playing wit 1 or 2 friends y version and if u are a full team u get red perks, the thing is that when u play against full stack they are OP and if u play against solo q the killer its just too strong.
This insight made me really happy, because you literally highlight my grievances with solo queue. Idc about the changes to deadhard, decisive strike, etc. I can adapt, and I have. But camping at 4 or 5 gens, and teammates that don't seem to be on the same planet as me, let alone same mmr, are my biggest gripes. Also, I don't play killer a ton, so I could be talking out my ass, but I don't think bloodlust 2 & 3 should exist. The same way deadhard rewarded bad plays, so does bloodlust. I don't think players should be rewarded for doing nothing special.
I saw your video and I've played dead by daylight for quite some time. Off and on the one thing that made me mad playing as a Survivor is I always get potato teammates. But I started to play killer more and more and more and more I actually enjoy playing the killer more. I still ain't playing a Survivor however it's really difficult to play a Survivor when you feel like the grind in the game is terrible and you can't get certain perks if you don't concentrate on one survivor. Killer perks are easy to obtain and easy to work around because a lot of basic perks are in the game. All In All I think they need a balance the solo queue experience for survivors. Maybe a skill based matchmaking with that end of it. And on both sides. The medicine seems to be shifting to where people are still using a lot of Second Chance perks like off the Record. The good thing is is I don't use or tunnel as much the only time I tunnel is when they have a flashlight. Because I don't have certain perks that allow me to knock it out of their hand. However I have tried killers that I'm normally bad with and starting to enjoy it. I do like the game when I do hope it gets better support and I hope they come up with some better Maps as well. Oh no I like the update I just wish they were tweak some things.
5 second ds stun should be brought back, if you asked me. It is supposed to be anti tunnel perk but it's so weak now that killers don't have to respect it at all.
I will say, and I know I'm a month late to this video, but I feel this update has made me try different perks. I have an item style loadout, a stealth loadout, and the usual gen repair build on my Ace. Along with a distraction build.
I just got heavily camped in by Freddy cause I blinded him lol two games in a row and they have blood lust buff they are gunna lose a lot of players
Smashed it, really enjoy these videos being divided into chapters as always, love the AOT edits. Agree with your thoughts overall! I think you're more than fair in your assessment of this patch, while the changes to Dead Hard and the installation of basekit BT have been a great adjustment to the meta, there's just so many almost.. unneeded changes? Gens taking 10 seconds longer to complete, the 10% increase in action speeds for killer, the buff to thanatophobia, I'm not even sure why these were implemented, but I really respect and appreciate BHVR for trying to shake things up with the meta. I am definitely seeing too many games drag out now, and by the time you're 10 minutes in, on your 2nd hook, and only 2 gens have popped, it doesn't feel worth sticking around for. But yeah, a solid verdict from yourself, not enough players take a step back and weigh the pros and cons, so I always appreciate your takes.
I think most of the changes were made to make the killer have more of a chance against swfs. Still most of the games youll get is solo queue people but the 10% action speed boost is fine. Killers need to waste less time in a chase because their time is more valuable than a survivor's. Lower tier killers like sadako, ghostface, doctor etc are more viable now. I think all the game needs now is solo queue buffs for it to be balanced
As survivor I like and dislike it. As someone whose into chases idk how to feel but there are definitely things that should be adjusted. Deadhard should at the very least be 0.7-0.8 secs long not 0.5 secs that’s just extremely imo.
And u shouldn't get the endurance effect with dh
I really love your editiong style, great job once again! The AoT edits were *chef's kiss* On the topic as a casual player myself I'll wait till it's settle a bit to go back to DbD
I'm loving this update. What I don't love are the amount of immersed survivors I've been getting queued up with. Last night I let myself die on first hook because two teammates didn't understand that hiding and avoiding objectives was bad. Only the ace on my team had a brain. The others were not worth my time. I don't care if I lose. I just want teammates that actually try. Try and do gens try to last in chases try to be altruistic when needed etc. If you're doing none of that. You're simply not worth my time, as arrogant as that sounds but I don't want to be stressed when playing solo queue. I want to have fun silly matches regardless of what the outcome will be.
6:13 'people generally like to win' and then there's me that just hates the first person PoV hence not playing killer xD
Excellent job Gary. As someone who plays both sides I find this patch interesting. At the very least it is nice that it encourages players (at least survivors) to experiment more with perks so you don’t see the same stuff as much. Heck I’ve found my survivor experience a bit more fresh since I’m using different stuff. Granted, I try to avoid solo in general but still it has been interesting.
Solo queue update definitely coming in the next mid-chapter
It has to
If they don't the game WILL die
Also tunneling being prevalent currently feels so unnecessary and I'm noticing mine and my teammates level of 'salt' has gone up significantly due to the frustration when I used to laugh at salty players before
It can't be helped at this point honestly
Also mmr is either bugged right now or there are so few survivor players that it's struggling to work properly
Those 10 extra seconds feel like 3 minutes, also a lot of the perk changes are horrible. I play killer and survivor equally, and killer is far more easier, and survivor is now really bad. Especially with the perk changes for survivor being degraded into be usless. I do think some maps favor killers and survivor differently. The dead hard change is alright. Also I think the ds nerf is unnecessary. But I don't know how to feel about this update.
One thing that I noticed is that survivors play the game like it was the old game, before this update, you can't run around and try looping the killer for ages anymore, you actually need to hide more. I think this update is good and I am a survivor main that never used DH or any exhausted perk because I have always tried to be sneaky and do my gens with Prove Thyself (Which is pretty much needed perk right now), and ofc get some unhooks there and there. Solo Q's are very low chance to survive because of the survivors that hasn't figured out how to play in this update.
i really feel like its more killer oriented now. They are faster, they have stronger perks and they can destroy gens easily
While listening to this video I got camped by a plague with thanatophobia jolt. My team surprisingly played quite well but the plague after we opened the gate downed me and proceeded to hit me on hook and vomit on me until I died.
I had never been caught before then and did 3 gens while helping my team.
Solo q (also a bit duo) is way worse now. Killer feels more fine, even if swf are always super strong, and some maps atrocious. Solo q problems are no communication to face vs hardcore tunnel and camp, that need a nerf like artist that cant use power near hook, and buff to base bt (also random DC/give up is a real thing on solo q).
I’m quite new to the game so I can’t say for certain that if these changes will good or bad for long term because we still have to adjust to the update but isn’t it overall a net positive to the game? They have stated and proved with statistics and data that the game was survivor sided and that they would adjust this to make it more ‘balanced’ in the sense of games won/lose to as close to 50%. With this patch it has definitely favoured killers however a small part of me saids that no way is the patch surely killing the game as others say. Could I be completely wrong? Or is it that people just aren’t accustomed to it yet so we can’t accurately gauge the impact? Idk. For sure there are some glaring issues that need to be urgently addressed, no doubt. However for people saying to revert the patch and that this will kill the game just seems incorrect. (Ps, comment made before watching the video so he could address my thoughts)
Before the patch there were 46k players in the new anniversary month. Pre-anniversary there were 32k. Currently last 30 days we're at 36k, so a 10k drop from anniversary, but not as low as before the anniversary patch. As far as the devs proving anything with data, they haven't proven anything, and their wording was also ambiguous(They said kill rates were lower than they'd like to see, not that they were lower balance wise, they use ambiguous wording like this a lot though to keep from lying about things). Kill rates the last time I saw them(which was before other nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers happened, as well as before a lot more killer sided maps like Midwich), were hovering between 60-70%, and all maps were above 50% kill rate, though a few admittedly were only around a 53% kill rate, but none were below 50%. There have been no major survivor buffs since Circle of Healing, which has been nerfed pretty significantly to the point you hardly see it anymore.
Honestly, i think this update was kind of needed in some way. The meta was really unhealthy to the point that alot of killers straight up said killer was incredibly stressful. I mean think about it, before this update you had to think of atleast 3 perks and treat every survivor like they had those perks, cause 90% of the time, they did. It was unhealthy. Solo q was always bad, theres no way around it, which is why i never complained about swfs. Honestly this update felt like ripping off the band aid. It hurts in the moment, but after some time i think well adjust and be fine with it
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The AOT clips were hilarious, great video and points
worst update for solo q players honestly for swf it doesnt change anything
after this update soloq escape rate is like 10%, beside the godlike survivors that have like 20-30% escape rate. depend on their region. overall now include 4-3-2men squads the escape rates are 39% pepega game.
I don’t under stand how you can complain about “second chance perks” when you can deadass run a perk that allows you to Mori a survivor that hasn’t been hooked once, and the only way you get it is by not face camping, bruh.
Games did not become balanced when MMR was released. The basis of "skill" is horribly misplaced. Myself and others have been screaming for nearly a year, or more that our MMR as a survivor is drastically too low. Before the patch, my escape rate across 1700 games(yeah that's a lot but I have 5k hours) was 17%. Why? Being tunneled for 5 gens + EGC and face camped. Why does this happen? Because a killer gets so twisted when a survivor is better than they are. According to BHVR, getting down once in a 7-10 minute chase means you're a bad survivor.
I don't really agree on it being harder, it's still pretty damn easy. I usually shift to play killer more since it actually feels harder at times
DBD is just to random to be balanced map rng and some maps in general are to killer or survivor sided. To make the game more fun and balanced, you need to remove map rng and have them be fixed with the same tiles and pallet spawns. Nerf OP killers tremendously and buff the weaker killer by alot, nerf camping and tunneling and get a better anti cheat.
That was a nice breakdown and analysis of the current state.
I do believe the devs could implement some sort of communication system to aid solo players with their teammates, perhaps even in the pregame lobby so team can adapt and adjust their items and perks if needed.
Comms may help balance the scales and user experience in general for all players.
As someone that mostly watches others play, but typically plays either killer or open lobby survivor with some of the smaller content creators I watch (so I know who my teammates are, but there's little to no comms) when I do play, I saw the soloq experience taking a massive L when these changes hit the PTB. I think in a bubble, these changes are very good for the game and remove a lot of the unfair aspects of perks, as you mentioned. But...the update came too soon. Things to help soloq out needed to happen before big killer changes, or at least in the same patch. But there wasn't much to help out soloq aside from the basekit BT and things like Off the Record allowing you to give yourself a longer BT. We still don't have the HUD status icons, no basekit kindred, nothing like that to at least mitigate the lack of communication. They also gutted a lot of perks more than they really needed to, imo. Things like DS being reduced to 3s was unnecessary; the problem with DS was it making people immune in the end game, which they fixed. They didn't need to also make the actual stun worthless. DS was an interesting anti-tunnel perk because simply the threat of it helped prevent tunneling, even if a survivor didn't have it. Now...honestly, who even cares if you have it. The 3s is nothing, so more people are tunneling regardless. The games I played in an open lobby I had a ton of fun. I don't think I escaped in most of them because I often sacrificed myself to get the others out. But I had the benefit of knowing who my teammates were that I was making a sacrifice for, so to me it would still feel like some sort of victory even if I didn't escape. You don't get that in soloq. And the queue time disparity exacerbates the issue since survivors know that they'll probably get an instant lobby after they kill themselves on hook to go next at 5 gens, so they give up early more often. I didn't have to deal with that when I was playing with people I knew, so my games felt a lot more fun.
All I know is that last time I played this game in early 2021 it was WAY better. The only good update they had apart from events, characters and maps was making Freddy less OP. I've played it the last week and it's so bad man. It would give Noob 3 a run for his money. Why are OP killers in IV (Level 20) matches?? Send them straight to higher-based players.
The rank system got removed, its now a grade system that resets each month. Matchmaking is now hidden via mmr, for better or worse.
As an killer main it always bugged me.. WHY TF DONT SURVIVORS HAVE SOME SORT OFF VOICE CHAT OR QUICK MESSAGES LIKE IN IDENTITY V????
LIKE GIVE SURVIVORS A BUTTON WHERE THEY CAN SAY "AY RANDOM DWIGHT SITTING IN A LOCKER AND JERKING OFF GO DO A GEN FFS!" OR AT LEAST LIKE A QUICK MESSAGE LIKE "KILLER IS CHASING ME" "DO GENS" ETC... IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO CODE IN????
But on a serious note they try to balance survivors around swf squads instead off soloq they should try to make soloq bearable THEN balance survivors bc right now... you aint doing us a favor bhvr you are just giving us an easier time as an killer main i can safely say that.
I love how everyone asked for it but now everyone is complaining
Unfortunately everyone asked for it but BHVR over did it a bit.
I can agree on decisive strike leaving killers powerless, but killers would just wait dead hard out before only costing them 1 extra second
Before in ptb or live? Because on live it was a bad game mechanic and now its closer to a balanced one, although it needs slight changes
@@psylina on live, although as a survivor main that’s when ds strike shined Bc most killers would tunnel endgame, it’s ok tho we just have to deal with it and not complain like everything else
@@eliaswells4537 i meant dh, Ds shouldve stayed 5 secs but the endgame change is fine
I'm surprised at how much I'm enjoying the new update, from the POV of a guy who plays mainly solo queue. I'm winning roughly half of my matches and having fun experimenting with the changed perks to see what builds I can come up with.
As always, nice video BTW. A possible idea for the future: Why is it so hard to make a successful 1 v 4 multiplayer game? So many of these games have died out (Evolve, Deathgarden etc), I often wonder how Dead By Daylight managed to survive and actually flourish.
Dead by Daylight survives and flourishes purely because they have licenses. It had a good start, and when they got the money for good licenses they used it, then realized that they could continue pumping out new licenses to keep it going. You'll notice the playerbase dwindles for a while between licenses. When it starts dwindling, or they expect it to dwindle, they announce a new license.
Tunneling rate went up 30 pointers no bap this game is crap now they could’ve just fixed blood lust the other shxt was a big Knock off
i needed to hear this.
This UPDATE IS SO STUPID ALL MY FRIENDS QUIT PLAYING SO I BEEN SOLO QN n I had enough never thought I’d UNINSTALL THIS GAME AFTER 4 years I hate I this game . Thanks devs u wasted my money
What does BHVR stand for?
It's the shortened version for Behaviour Interactive
BHVR couldn't take player advice if they provided surveys for everybody to complete... OH WAIT! That's exactly what they do! And this is the type of response they think is necessary to player feedback? The devs put high viewed streamers on their payroll in hopes of creating and maintaining a certain player base, instead of fixing and balancing the game. Check out Steam Charts DBD... before the yearly event, the player base was at a 5-year low. Currently... -22-30% depending on what source you check. What a joke of a Public Relations/Marketing team whose job is to survey and analyze players.
Killers have gotten wild and players have gotten derpy
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I don't get this point. You're upset that your teammates can't do dumb shit and get away with it? Of course you should be punished if you make a mistake, even in solo queue.
UI update was pointless and just served to patch glitch cosmetics for the 1000th time.
Grind reduction made the grind worse in many cases.
Not really sure what to be excited about.
Uninstalled the game today
the thing is (i'll never understand why people don't think like this), you will most likely win if you head in a match and you're playing against a solo queue team. It's the weakest of all and doesn't mean the patch itself made the whole game killer sided, it just means that the weakest side of survivors, aka solo queue, is the one that will most likely die, because you'll go against people that relied on dh too much, and don't know how to properly loop, or the mmr itself being bad and pairing you up against people that aren't good compared to you, a good killer (i'm giving an example). So the issue isn't the update, but better yet the other issues, like mmr, like people just being bad, like maps being busted for certain roles (midwich, dead dawg for killer and garden of joy, rpd, lery's for survivors). If a good killer went against a good swf team, the killer will still probably lose. I've had matches where i've gone against players that are a similar skill level as me and i've lost almost all the time, because they know when they are on a good map, what to do, when to pre-drop, when to greed. It's still a non-balanced game, and to be frank, i don't think it ever will be, but at least this was an update that made survivors that little bit easier to deal with.
@Google Hates Free Speech well sir, i think your comment is the ridiculous one, have a good night.
Late to the video, but I think this was one of the best updates!
I play survivor MORE because of the perk nerfs. I dont feel like I'm nerfing myself by not using Iron will and dead hard. I can use a bunch of builds and perk combos that i normally wouldn't use. Its a breath of fresh air, even this much later since Wesker has been out.
Me, the average solo q player utilize info perks suck as Bond, window of opportunity, alert, and dark sense. solo q has been easier having good info on mindless and godly tm8s. So whoever is a solo q player. INFO is key.
But like fr though people are feeling the effects of this patch so much because their second chance perks have been nerfed. It all adds up sure, but that is 100% the biggest factor here, and everybody is talking around it.
All the DH and DS nerf did was two things. Firstly it separated the wheat from the chaff in terms of mediocre and actually good loopers. Second, as you said in the video it removed the third health state that was pretty much on every single survivor in the game. Ong if DH was the same the game would feel almost no different.
Also you said gen slow down meta wasn’t any different from before. If you mean in terms of general gen slow down yeah true but if you meant perk wise I’d beg to differ. Pop, Ruin, and Pain Reso have all been pretty much gutted, leaving only thana and pentimento as the only real passive slow down perks, of which, thana is too easy to counter if you find yourself running into it a lot. Pentimento though is a tad annoying, they could definitely lower it to 20-25% as a start and see how that feels.
Good video though, appreciate the thoughts in the new path, keep it up.
Uh oh...survivor mains don't like that they can't cheese through the matches anymore
Sometimes I feel like people don't watch the video before commenting
They need to remove blood lust.
I don’t understand how people complain about tunneling, BT got a massive buff at 15 seconds plus the speed boost, not to mention off the record. If you need 5 seconds ds on top of that you honestly just need to get good.
You only get the benefit of BT if your team runs it, you only get the benefit of OTR if you have it and it's not end game. Otherwise you have 5 seconds of 'protection' easily waited out. Also, kinda stinky to be taken out of a match early, not getting to actually play. Especially when it's unnecessary the majority of the time.
@@elsiebee33 yes thats what perks are for…. To be used lmao??? You only get off the record if you use it, well buddy if you’re getting tunneled and you can’t rely on teammates maybe you should use it. Literally you and your team have perks to counter it, might i suggest getting gud
@@cornpop838 Do you play survivor? Have you ever tried to stop someone from being tunneled? There's a reason people say to just stick on gens, if a killer is truly determined to tunnel in solo there isn't much you can do about it, BT OTR or no. Also, does "just git gud" apply to killers who tunnel at 5/4 gens just to get a kill orrrrrrrr...
@@elsiebee33 i have 4k hours(not a good thing) you can easily not get tunneled by actually knowing how to loop and using proper perks. You don’t know what you’re honestly talking about
@@cornpop838 Woof. Evaded actually answering any of my questions like a champ. lol
I think at this point it's just become overdone with the being upset over this patch.
1. It will not be reverted this is confirmed by the devs
2. If you don't like the game than stop playing. I know how much you think disconnecting from a game will make the devs revert the change because of your little protest but it won't
If you don't like it leave and if not stop complaining
Which part of my video are you responding to? Very confused!
Jeez, talk about click bait…
They should add game chat it would be way better
critics the game, buys all AoT skins, rewards company for mistakes. good job LMAO you showed them
The AoT skins are awesome? DbD is like my favourite game, did you actually watch the video?
@@TheHotCross you completely missed the point I'm making... good job...
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 Well your "point" reads like I should protest and not support the awesome AoT crossover because I have some criticisms of the 6.1.0 update. It's DbD, it's not that deep...
@@TheHotCross If it's "not that deep" then a video about it is as pointless as my criticism... *facepalm*
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 you completely missed the point I'm making... good job...
Dead hard rework= bad update, gotcha
someone didn't watch the video at all! xD
Worst update for survivor mains cause they can't rely on their braindead perks anymore.
I feel killers are braindead and I don't feel the desire to play as survivor anymore
@@mugenmasters8564 waaah dh and ds got nerfed waaaah - most survivor mains
@@forever_nocturne4146 I am new to the game and felt survivor were OP
just add chat wheel to the game and solo queue will be much better lol
Game still feels the same to me tbh, i used get unfortunate teammates, i still do and i used to usually survive, i still do.If anything playing killer doesnt feel like "guess the dead hard" anymore, less of a chore, its nice feeling.
Year I'm bored of this game..what they've done to solo survivers game play is the same as they've done with sonic over the years the game that came out over 30 years ago can still be played to day. And the new games are basically press X..there's no skill no fun no point in playing solo now..and the content that's been put in is a JOCK..
i played more survivor than killer recently and i love the update
I didn’t know that Collosal Titan user was named Bertholdt. Idk Why…. Maybe cause i whatched 1st episode, got bored and left idk
Honestly I personally think it was the best update that could ever happen to DBD. Nerfing survs after about 4 years or something and finally buffing killers and changing the meta which was the same since the beginning was a good thing and exactly what DBD needed.
I've played plenty of solo que matches that never really seem unfair. As long as players are actively trying to win, it's actually fine. You can't really balance the game around unskillful play. There are perks that help solo que survivors coordinate with their team more easily like bond and kindred are really good ones. (Both are actually free to get.) Yes killers are stronger, but they kinda needed to be.
Honestly most of this is subjective. This is the best update ever as far as answering to the years of outreach from the community. Survivors have always had the upper hand throughout the history of dbd. Before people cry “killer main” I have almost 5k hours with about 3.8k hours on survivor.
the problem is survivor has been so overpowered for so long, they have become delusional. now they actually have to play the game and not have a win handed to them, so they're getting mad
Dumbest bullshit Ive heard. Solo Q is near impossible to win now.
Sounding like a survivor main rn
Off the records is basically a second D visive strike … survivors complaining about very light nerfs on a couple of perks is ridiculous … you talk about killers BUFFS, but in reality are barely noticeable.
And about old Dead Hard, yes it’s just whining about a free second chase … in my killer games I still see dead hard used perfectly by good players … It strong as it was before the update but requires more skill, which 90% of survivor players don’t have apparently.
Yeah kill rates will increase cause survivors are just disconnecting on purpose, not because the game is more difficult….
Sorry mate you are playing too much survivor and can’t understand the game properly…
As someone who plays both (mostly killer a bit) but i watch a lot of dbd streamers, i feel like I have a good perspective.... Most of the people I see complaining are survivors who are so used to winning, IMO. Watching and playing as killer in the old meta got pretty stale/annoying fast when it was the same build/circumstance every game and the killer could do nothing about it. Then the same survivors sit at the gate tea-bagging holding the game hostage because they want the killer to watch them leave. lordy that's annoying. I bet those ppl that did that are the same ones who are dying and crying about this update LOL ...
So anyway, yes this update helped killers a lot, but that doesn't mean its the end of the world for survivors! Its just the matter of learning the new meta. I said this before but a lot of people (survivors) correlate "winning" with having fun. I have had so many matches where i got destroyed as killer but I keep playing because..... duh. I am letting myself get better. I /want/ to get better so the wins become more rewarding! If you played as killer before the update you'd know we kinda needed this... the DEVS showed us the statistics and most survivors were escaping. Yall were doing great. We needed to spice this up, lol!
If you're a survivor griping about this I'm sorry but if you just keep playing it'll get better. I am honestly cracking up these days playing as a survivor and dying but its because I am not taking it so hard. I used to rely on my team to support me but now my team is dying with me so I really gotta learn!! For them! I have a lot of discovering to do. We all do. And we all make up this game. So lets work together instead of fighting each other over this haha!
skill issue