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- Yeah yeah, I know that this can be done successfully in the F-14, I’m just poking fun at people trying this in the sim.
In all honesty though, it’s actually pretty hard to get the F-14 in a flat spin with the wings folded back - you REALLY have to go out of your way to get this to happen (you need opposite ailerons to induce aileron yaw). - เกม
Anything I had to say the comments said it for us 🤣
However, something tells me the creator of this didn't intend to "debunk" splitting throttle but rather to poke fun at what it's like for the rookies who try it☝️
Pin this comment haha
Seriously pin this
Too accurate
We know, but we're all nerds and our 'Aaachsually' senses start tingling from the slightest.
Nerd stuff for me 🙌
"Splitting the throttles"
*Dies in flat spin*
5th gen pilot : "What the.... fuck was that?"
F-14 pilot: - You can't take me alive❗
rofl
5th gen pilot: "Ok... who in the hell would do that?"
lmao🤣🤣🤣
5th gen pilot : "ok......which japanese retirement home missing its member?"
Growling sidewinder proved that differential thrust does work in dogfights in the F14, it just can’t be too aggressive. And in real life only extremely seasoned F14 pilots actually attempted differential thrust, which maverick is
Yeah, what BravoSix did here was too aggressive, you have to roll and yaw when your aircraft has a certain amount of energy and speed, and how hard you pull the joystick
@@ultralaggerREV1 yeah, but aggressive makes a funnier video lol
@@juangallegos6786 eh, I guess
Was just about to comment the same thing, good explanation
Yeah... the F -14 had significant negative yaw. ( heavy nose and it uses spoilers) The differential thrust helps that. Gonna beat a thrust vectoring 5 that gen? Probably not. The idea is that Maveric is a genius pilot and suprises the inferior felon pilot by his ability to maneuver. Anyway....at high speeds even in afterburner, the control surfaces (level flight) will overcome the torque on the aircraft( even it one engine flames out and does nothing but produce drag).
When the F-14 is slow and in a turn having one engine flame out would likely produce too much yaw to force uncontrolled flight or a spin before the pilot could react. This is even worse in a dogfight. All off the sudden lots of positive yaw when you my have the rudder already into the turn...oh dear. Going from full reheat to zero on one engine is wrong. Just take one out of burner or to about 80 % throttle. You can keep it there as you slow down but at a certain point you have to put the engine back to burner. Remember....energy is key one engine is producing much less thrust. This manuver is abou nose-control when needed and not intended for extended peroids. In a nose to nose fight I believe splitting th throttles will have some use at certain times. That is all. Cheers!
Reality has fewer pixels than I expected.
You win
no he does NOT win@@joelong6472
ah yes a perfect comment
so ur dumbas is expecting some channel with 1k subs on yt to have a fifth gen fighter jet and do maneuvers with it
by saying "reality" the video is indicating what would happen in real life
because that game is literally one of the most advanced flight simulators available
Can’t argue with that logic
Can’t argue with that logic
"Mom, can I have thrust vectoring?"
"We have thrust vectoring at home"
The thrust vectoring at home:
This comment went devastatingly unappreciated
I appreciate this, where can I donate?
Maveric: does that on stall speeds….
This guy: I’ll go as fast as I can and then die from flat spin
This guy ≠ Maverick
Then favors the comment rofl
Ok iOS works in for my new iPhone so we could use
I was thinking the same thing, maverick was going like 100-200 knots slower.
@@Mr.Constitutionalist427 I mean that's the point of the video, to laugh at someone inexperienced trying it in sim. This would be clear if you read the description, that's a bit to hard for you though apparently.
I love how the Tomcat pretty much let’s you do whatever you need to do even if it destroys itself
Every plane allows you to destroy it self the question is are you willing to do such a thing in a real life Dog fight? No dog fights aren’t for an f14 it’s too dangerous it was made for long range air to air targets and it does well on that
Put it against an mig 21 in a close combat and there is a big chance the f14 might lose because of its big football field size
F16 on the other hand is made for both close combat and long range targets
Compared with F16 avionics...
Pilot: I'm gonna jam you into 45 degrees AOA!
F16: Nono, gently, 28.5 degrees. There there don't hurt yourself puppy.
Im nosediving 2 secs till the crash it goes PULL UP PULL UP lik wtf chill bro
* LETS
What more could you want?
I love how the real-life footage is "expectation" and the computer game footage is "reality".
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You do know that the F14 in the movie is CGI right? as there is no current f14 in the US capable of flying only Iran Ironically has air worthy F14's
@@liljon0111 F14 was not CGI. Only SU-57
@@johnfalco706 It was CGI when flying, a real museum F14 when in the hanger and taxing.
@@Glitchunlocked bullshit.
It's definitely a maneuver that should only be tried by someone that has completely mastered the Tomcat
Which in the context of the film makes sense, as Maverick is definitely one of those pilots who has mastered the Tomcat.
Yup, that's why they specifically use the Tomcat to be the gateway jet. What of the odds that enemy hangar have a F-14 still lying around.
In the words of Rooster: It's not the plane. It's the pilot.
Was it Snort or Hoser who did this in real life?
@@martinqizeaq the f14s were mentioned earlier in the film . Required a little attention
The way you split your throttles in order to throw off enemy targeting systems and nosedive to escape their eyesight was amazing. Then hiding yourself in the explosion from your crash? Fantastic.
I want to like this but there's 666 likes and I won't be the one to ruin it.
@@michealdrake3421The time has come, you may like it now, young one.
I really want to see if this applies in real world if this movie is really realistic or realistically bullshit
@@eizlaniskandar7946this is unrelated but that last 5th gen fighter, how didn't the pilots get a warning of an incoming missile??
He just got hit out of the blue with no prior warnings.
😂😂😂😂
I love how the comment section is full of people that have 6900+ hours of flying Tomcat and saying this guy have a serious skill issue
"I fly the F-14 in war thunder all the time and I don't spin out..."
@@Amehdion as someone pointed out though, a real life f14 pilot said it was possible, just insanely stupid and/or hard. way harder than the movie made it seem, but also mavrick is considered the greatest american fighter pilot to ever live, so in cannon he would have the skill to make it work.
@@Amehdionliterally what the video poster did trying to disprove it
Thing is, differential thrust has experimentally been proven to work in the F-14. Although, it can only be attempted by those who have completely mastered the Tomcat, and Maverick has.
Wasn't sudden asymmetrical thrust the thing that killed his RIO's daddy?
@@jdsull no goose died due to an ejection seat issue that the tomcat actually had. as for the reason they were in a flat spin it was due to an engine air intake issue that in certain circumstances would kill the engines again another issue the tomcat actually had.. at least early variants
You only have to take it off burner. Differential thrust works really well if you're very careful with it and you have the altitude or skill to recover.
I see you watched Growling Sidewinder's stuff too buddy
@@tonyrun5802 Actually, I got with friends while reading about Jalil Zandi's exploits while collecting information from him, Dale Snodgrass and checking them against Ward Carroll's ideas after reading some concepts about differential thrust in rocketry as a potential alternative to gimballing to save weight on first staging. I forget which of my friends explained the concept to GS but he went hard on differential thrust.
In F-14 there is no recover from flat spin.
Yeah..., great skill you require. Just to apply full aileron towards the rotation and opposite rudder while keeping the stick fully pulled up until the yaw rate gets low enough to be safe to push the stick forward in order to not make the plane dance in roll/yaw. It requires genius brains to do that, lol! Once you learn how easy it is actually, you won't say that anymore:)
@@Maverickf22flyer Yes but no: but the behaviour in a sim isn't the same thing as in a plane, and we have no way of testing this. DCS is at the end of the day, an abstraction.
I'd like to imagine that Maverick was able to do this because he spent a crap load of time in a simulator, if not in a real F-14 before they got retired, doing this exact maneuver. He mastered how to get an F-14 into a flat spin with a split throttle and then recovering from it because he was still traumatized by Goose's death from the flat spin in the first movie.
The actual reason is just that the guy in the "Reality" part was just dumb, he was going way to fast to pull that maneuver, it's definitely possible, Maverick did it at low speeds, this guy did it going as fast as he could.
maverick was not a real character....he wasn't doing things offscreen that we weren't privy to. Because he's not real. He's just a movie character. Right?
@@alexanderbohm607 ok…and this is a video game simulator right? What’s your point?
It has been some time since the 90s when I read a book on the F-14. If I recall right, a flat spin like in the movie was unrecoverable because a) the spin itself would cause a flameout in the spinward engine, which had already happened in the movie thanks to the jetwash, anyway, and b) the F-14 has no ailerons to attempt to disrupt the airflow across the wings which in turn stalled the airflow across the ailerators on the tail, robbing them of banking authority.
@@alexanderbohm607 you do realize half of the movie was filmed with Tom Cruise actually flying an f14 right? He may not have done this maneuver but they consulted professionals to put this film together and it’s definitely possible, you just need a lot of experience.
"Expectation vs. Reality" *shows a video game for reality*
The videogame uses real physics. The movie is CGI.
This is not a video game but a simulator in general
What was he supposed to do? Fly an f14 and risk his life???
@@Motivationalhustlest, Maybe the title should have been worded with "DCS" instead of "Reality". Obviously it isn't reality,
Hm yes, because everyone has an F-14 to try this shit out.
"It's not the plane, it's the pilot" - conclusion for plane crash investigation report 😂😂😂
After watching GS split throttles video, it is safe to say "It's Not The Plane, It's The Pilot."
Yup. Maverick also used rudders and other control surfaces to assist in the maneuver; this guy...what did this guy do?
THANK YOU 🤣
@@wildgurgs3614 this guy is on DCS and says it's reality 🤣
not at all even GS said that thing is bullshit,it can help you a little bit but it wont help you outperform a 5th gen fighter or anything similar you also cant do this in the movie you can only lower throttle a little bit for 2-3 seconds in a movie this thing will kill you 10/10 times
someone doesn't understand a shit post. In any any arguments made for Differential thrust working in such a scenario , Top gun maverick as entertaining as it was was full of other hollywoodismsm, that wouldnt have worked irl.
I love how DCS is "reality". :D What a great sim.
parallel reality, like dr strange 2
DCS is close enough to reality without using JP-8. We have several pilots IRL who've flown in the sim and complimented the flight model, and apparently the sim is used by a few countries as a pre-trainer before actual flight lessons.
So yeah, there is a bit of truth to that "DCS is reality" statement.
Does DCS have simulated wind and turbulence physics? You’d figure splitting the throttle with actual wind resistance would be possible??? The ‘game’ is cool but has an extremely long way before it even comes close to reality. I laugh when people judge fighter abilities based on a game. They should throw an X-wing into DCS and see if it can pull the cobra maneuver 😂😂😂.
@@ajfannin5496 uh oh its one of them quantum computer kids expecting to have the individual pores on every video game character to be considered “realistic” lmao
@@spacedwelding7778 them laughing crying emojis kids again smh
14 with split throttle in dcs is amazing. great for forcing a roll, rolling scissor, or preventing inverse roll from pulling too hard. you have to be gentle with it though and only drop to mil power on the oposite engine
Hey guys look a plane nerd 🤓
@@jean-pierresteenberg yes sirr
There were a few maneuvers like this that you could do in an F-18 that would break the fly by wire system, but they were super risky. I didn’t even know it was a thing until I saw I guy do it in an air show.
Gonky on CW Lemoine's channels talked about splitting the throttles in the F18 and Mover went "Really?!?"
To paraphrase he said it's basically like adding a second rudder to the Hornet but if you took it to idle it was too much, you had to back it out JUST the right amount but it could be very effective.
It's definitely doable but the Tomcat can enter a flat spin because of the way the engines are mounted. The F-18 won't flat spin the same way.
TL;DR its a very precise maneuver and only for very experienced pilots but it is possible and can be effective.
When a senior top gun instructor in real life goes on Jockos podcast and basically says Maverick is spot on and you find out he’s the one that made sure they put “it’s not the plane it’s the pilot”. Cause even he was like “the technology will help but it doesn’t mean you’ll win” in a scenario where you’re fighting a newer generation air craft.
I always found "it's not the plane it's the pilot" to be a bullshit mindset when combating 5th gen fighters. The whole nature of 5th gen fighters removed skill as much as possible from the equation. When F-15, F-15, and F-18 went up against the F-22 in the Red Flag exercise, they wouldn't even know what hit them. They would just be flying around and then they'd "go and land at the next possible opportunity, you're dead" because the F-22's next gen RADAR, missiles and stealth system allowed them to kill the pilot before they could even do anything.
If a 5th gen fighter like the SU-57 ends up in a conventional dogfight with an F-14 or F-18, then there have already been numerous catastrophic failures from both the pilot and their support team and even still the SU-57 would have a much better targeting system than its opponent, so its really not a favourable matchup. If Maverick was flying an F-22, not only would the dogfight even be "possible" in the first place, it would be an interesting match.
@@johnmcglennan8956 Are you saying you have more insight into multiple fighter aircraft than a senior instructor at the actual Naval Fighter Weapons School who also is one of the rare few people on Earth that has F-16C, F/A-18C, F-22 Raptor and F-35 qualifications? Cause I'll put money on it that you don't..
@@kxngmars6527 Just because some guy is clinging to his own outdated ideals of air warfare does not make him right. All it takes to prove that dogfighting is a thing of the past is simply the fact that true fifth generation fighters (f-22, f-35) are SLOWER and LESS manuverable than their older brothers. They are designed from the ground up to be extrodinarily stealthy, be able to kill from far out of human range of vision, and go home. The whole idea is to kill the enemy before they can even detect you.
@@kxngmars6527 I'm not saying anything like that, but my comment is ALSO backed up by what actual veteran pilots reported about fighting the F-22 and F-35 at Red Flag as well. Obviously a pilot's skill is an incredibly important variable, but all I'm saying is that it's not the most important variable in play.
@@johnmcglennan8956 in a WVR fight, which was the case in the movie, stealth don't mean squat when your opponent can eyeball you and IR-homing missiles can follow your tailpipes like a bloodhound on a scent.
In this case, the pilot IS the deciding factor.
Actually watched a DCS testing this theory and he says dont shut off the second engine, just reduce it to low, he made good use of this trick, but it does take practice.
There was a fighter pilot that explained in an interview/podcast on some youtube channel where he said yeah you could split the throttle to make a that 180, but the engines were far too powerful to just do it that drastically. The throttle split should be much more moderate and it’s enough.
Splitting the throttle 🤣
“This is not good… this is not good”
“Mayday mayday… mavs in trouble, he’s in a flat spin”
_crashes_
Maverick's stuck in Talk To Me Goose Mode for the last time.
TALK TO ME ROOSTER
Goose in heaven:Not again Mav...
That was def icemans fault for cutting him off resulting in mav flying through icemans jet wash causing a flame out which is specifically explained in the F-14A (the one with the crappy TF-30 engines) NATOPS manual.
why are you killing geese maverick?
Let this be a lesson to everyone. Splitting the throttles only works if you announce it first.
The F-14 Pilot Handbook has it as a memory item.
Ward Carroll (TH-camr and F-14 RIO) had a good discussion of this, too, and used DCS to demonstrate. In the Tomcat, splitting the throttles at induces very little yawing moment, at least compared to the rolling moment caused by full left stick deflection, as Maverick used in the movie. I can't say that Ward fully explained it, but in his DCS demo, the Tomcat just rolled and didn't yaw at all.
"Androooooossss I faaaaaiileeed YOOOOIUUUUUUU!!!"
-THIS PILOT
“Splitting the throttles” aka differential thrust is a real thing. It’s not am advisable maneuver but it’s legal and it has worked. You likely went into a spin because of your higher speed or there was something a bit uncommanded like too much yaw or maybe some stick pressure
dude read the description
@@smolltaco5667 Oh you mother-
@@zherean42069 lol
Doesn't help that he's using a simulator that doesn't simulate weather....
@CHAD THE BORIS not properly
While not it's an F-14, I've seen IRL vids of F-15 pilots executing differential thrust. It's a valid way to start a maneuver. In theory, the F-14 being a twin engine fighter, in regards to airframe tolerances, can do it as well if a another similar generation fighter can.
I think the real issue is the F-14 has around 10 ft of separation between the engines
@@starliner2498 That is not an "issue" it is actually a blessing to perform this. Too close like the F/A-18 or F-15 it actually don't help a lot.
F-14A's problem was those garbage TF30 engines. I am surprised why no one in P&W ever got jailed for selling such garbage to the Navy.
F-14 was also very hard to fly by today's fighter jet standards due to no fly-by-wire and unique taileron design.
Well they were really intended for the F-111, they worked okay in that aircraft didn’t they? Different kind of flying.
That's because an F-15 has the engines really close to the center, so there's almost no torque applied and whatever is applied can be countered with rudder, but F-14's engines are a lot further apart, so it produces a lot more torque.
The F-14 and the F-15 are about as similar as apples and tomatoes. The former has a huge space between the engines while the F-15 has them side by side. The problem with the F-14 is that it's already susceptible to compressor stall in certain throttle settings under high yaw situations.
"its not the plane, its the pilot"
I'm glad he was able to experiment that you shouldn't try everything in movies before crashed his F14.
Growling Sidewinder has been using differential thrust rather effectively in his latest videos.
It depended on WHICH version of the F-14 you tried that in. It WAS a real side effect to spin recovery techniques taught to crew, and things to watch out for to avoid getting into the spin in the first place. The TF30 powered F-14A had a known issue for compressor stalls. The later B and D variants which had the F110 engine from GE eliminated that problem but only about 75 new builds and 61 conversions from F-14As were produced with the better engine vs 479 As originally built for the USN. Over 160 of the total US Navy F-14 production have been destroyed in accidents though so it really was not a good track record for safety for a jet of that era, relative to the numbers produced.
The maneuver known as the Cobra actually was invented by the Swedish Air Force as a form of post-stall maneuvering taught to pilots of the Saab J35 Draken (and who in turn taught to the Austria and Finnish air force who also operated the draken... a particular russian pilot stole the maneuver from having seen it used against him by Draken pilots, and he then practiced it and performed it at a western airshow in the mid 80s and got it named after him). It was meant to quickly recover from the stall before it got to the spin stage. There's video of the Draken Cobra on youtube actually performed in flight (shot by a handheld video camera from another Draken). The video ALSO includes the thing the enemy plane does in the movie (the cobra with the rotation) again...swedish pilots developed the technique, the soviets stole the ideas from them.
th-cam.com/video/jqiDEcfSnXs/w-d-xo.html
I worked for Grumman Aerospace for 12 years building all versions from the A's to the D models and all prototypes. Every model Tomcat was dangerous to recover from a flat spin. Evan chief test pilot Chuck Sewell hated to put a Tomcat into a flat spin during testing flights over Long Island before handing over the aircraft to the Navy. Accidents were generally caused by pilots flying outside the aircraft's limits. No plane likes a "Hot Dog " pilot at it's controls Chuck told me one day.
It sounds like the F-14 was made in a rush after the failure of the F-111A. The mission doesn't make a whole lot of sense to begin with.
@@Tattlebot It was and it wasn't. Aircraft development took less time back then because they tended to try and cram fewer bleeding edge technologies into them than the pipe dream weapon programs of the 90s (which is why the F-35 still hasn't finished development work more than 25 years after the JSF fly-off between the X-32 and X-35). The Radar and primarily long range missile system sprang from earlier work for the YF-12A before evolving into what was used on the F-111B, the engines were also reused from the F-111B though it was always intended to replace them with a better engine as soon as one were available, the airframe design derived from Grumman's internal model 303 which had been one of several that sprang from a contract the Navy gave grumman to study advanced fighter concepts in 1966. Its size was dictated by the need to carry the AWG-9 radar and six AIM-54 Phoenix missiles as well as an internal 20mm M61A cannon, and have the range/loiter time for the fleet defence role. It was smaller than the F-111B but more maneuverable than an F-4 in the dogfights that experience over Vietnam had taught the navy already (USN/USMC Phantoms all lacked an internal gun for example). The F-111B was canceled in '68, the first F-14 flight was in 1970 and initial entry into fleet squadrons began in 1974.
@@DeeEight F-35 capabilities have extended far beyond the initial set. It has a remarkable safety record. It may not be of much use against an R-37M though. Designed to defeat the SA-6, now opponents have sophisticated IADS.
F-111A was designed to fly low and use radar targeting to strike Russian bases. Well there's one problem: Trees. Both planes have a mission which doesn't make sense.
@@joemoore4027 just curious. Do you ever acquure blueprints for any fighter jets?
What clearance level allows you to touch them?
Maverick: "Hey, Goose. You remember that flat spin that led to your death?"
Goose: "Yeah, what about tha..."
Rooster: "Hey, Dad!"
Goose: "..."
It’s not about plane or aerodynamic , it’s all about the pilot))))))😂
maverick entering flat spin: “ah shit, here we go again”
Exactly!
“Splitting the throttles”
Moments later
“I’m sorry Goose”
Maverick:The Poultry killer
@@u.nforcesalx9892 LMAO
Goose: "Maverick?!?! WTF are YOU doing here. .and is that....DAMNIT....you had ONE job, to look after him.....
Bro back tracked with the “yeah yeah” after finding out he couldn’t do it
It works, even with any other two engined aircraft, you just have to apply it correctly
Mav: Splitting the throttles
Rooster: This is a f14A
Mav: Whoopsies
*flat spin*
Mav: "Now you get to say hello to your dad"
@@Ben-bb7mi they took “talk to me, Goose” a little too literally
🤣
Why don’t you bother to look it up to get a better understanding of F-14A?
@@Ben-bb7mi 😂
BravoSix: "SpLiTTinG tHe tHroTTLeS"
Glowing Sidewinder: "I'm gonna end this man's whole career"
Growling
@@chilledburrito oh
Sorry Growling Sidewinder
Ah yes, Glowing Sidewinder
@@Rockethead293 In his defense, the missile exhaust does glow
I love how you can hear the booms from the compressor stall.
"Splitting the throttles" - Dies in flat spin...how ironic. "I'm sorry Goose"
Keep playing... the Tomcat is a beast once you master it. It's the only plane I fly in DCS now.
When the original top gun came out, some of the pilots at the airline I worked for talked about the flat spin scene and that the way to recover was adding power to the inboard engine. In theory, splitting the throttles. would induce a flat spin, which is kind of what Maverick was trying to do. Definitely takes a lot of skill and timing to pull it off and it could quickly go wrong.
Makes sense, the port side/ left/ interior engine malfunction is what caused the flat spin the first time so a perfect counter thrust ought to fix it. Or tear the craft in two...
Big IF here, but IF the engines are still lit. Jets like air. Spinny, spinny, air thinny.
@@JediMasterFO that's why you don't go to idle but keep half throttle
you can only do it if you have trully mastered the tomcat, which maverick did
What is the Navy's flat spin recovery procedure for the F-14? Is it rudder? Throttle? Stick? Combination? Or just eject? In the movie, G forces pin LT Mitchell forward toward the nose. But LTJG Bradshaw is able to reach backward over his head to pull the ejection handles? Wouldn't Bradshaw be pinned forward as well as the equilibrium point of the aircraft was aft of both pilots?
The tomcat got that dog innim.
so splitting the throttles actually makes you a suicidal ballerina
GS: "now you dont want to fully cut one engine so you dont go into a fla-"
*slams the left engine into idle to do a ace combat maneuver and die*
OMG IT'S HIM
Remember it's not the plane.
It's the pilot
i love how the last fight in top gun maverick when maverick is doing the maneuvers the enemy is just sitting there with his aircraft doing nothing and pretty much letting mav get on his tail
Splitting the throttles on a F-14 could be done but was very uncomfortable and as you have shown would send it into a flat spin and end I a fiery finale!.. TY👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
You know man, that’s the budget version of thrust vectoring
So, could this be called budget vectoring?
Yeah, but you are missing one tiny little detail: only Captain Pete "Maverick" Mitchell can achieve that maneuver.
Enemy pilot: "I thought he's smart."
Bro learned how to do the Kvoucher Bell real quick
If you're trying it with the A model then yes this is what you'll end up with. The TF-30 from Pratt and Whitney was actually a bomber engine and not designed to operate in non-uniform airflow environment. With the B model this maneuver can be pulled off but you shouldn't retract the throttle all the way. Just take one out of burner and use the rudder.
Differential thrust is a real maneuver that its application differs from airframe to airframe. Altho I don’t think a total idle on the left and full aft on right would work for F14, it is possible if the differential is small and controlled with care.
Pilot in pursuit: 😮 😂
I love how the real life tomcat does it, and then the reality quote unquote footage is literally some dude playing a computer game that's never flown a plane once yet it's called reality LMAO
Ok, I'll admit that happened the 1st time I tried it in DCS.
Ok, initial setup, Asymmetric Thrust limiter OFF,
Split Throttle, Assume you are going left.
Right Throttle full AB, left throttle idle (nose yaw's left) Stick full left, rudder full left (plane snap rolls left to inverted, nose is pointed down hill), Rudder neutral, left throttle to full mil, (roll continues) Stick Center, rudder right to stop roll with bandit on top of your canopy, Throttle to full AB, using rudder to roll, pull nose up to bring the bandit to the canopy bow.
It takes practice but that's one way to use it.
I don't get how the animated version was reality when Tom filmed the f14 for real and was flying for reals
Added context in the description. The F-14 was not real in the movie - it was CGI. There are no working F-14s in North America.
This is amazing
@@bravosix1611 but there is? Problem is they are pretty much permanently grounded due to lack of spare parts.
@@bravosix1611 no it was very real
bro went from doing a top gun maverick maneuver to doing a top gun maneuver.
Ah, yes, my old friend the Sabre Dance. The troubling behavior of those TF30s is replicated perfectly on DCS I see! 😂
the flat spin just too damn funny lmao
thanks for making my day~
"mom can we have thrust vectoring "
"no, we have thrust vectoring at home"
Thrust vectors at home:
As a Russian SU 57 I approve of this comment
My brother in Christ, you must align the throttles again after the first loop and take again speed & pressure
"Reality" *shows a video game* sad trombone sounds 😂
I feel like this would have been a little better if it included a short snippet from in the cockpit with all the alarms going off. The stall warning, compressor stall alarm, RWR going mental, all the trees and scenery just going around in circles.
Bro. You have some of the funniest and entertaining videos on TH-cam. 😆👍🏼
Only a Tomcat flying a F-14 Tomcat can pull off "Splitting the Throttles."
Ahhhh the compressor stalling sounds, music to my ears.
His maneuvers are actually possible. F14s are like hot rods. You have to have a precise feel for the aircraft the same way a good driver can feel the car 👍
Yes, a hot rod prone to horrific yaw behavior at high angles of attack.
@@SogenOkami It had a hydrolic control system. Not a computer controlled fly by wire system. The pilot had to have real touch to make it work.
@@imonit1177 that doesn't change the fact they were prone to going into spins
@@battleoid2411 Can't you just enjoy a fucking movie?
i feel like your climb wasn't as steep as maverick's which is why you went into death spin maybe try flying at more of an angle for your next video and see if you can replicate it
Well he turned it into the kvocher bell😂
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.
*“It's not the plane, it's the pilot”*
~ Mav
What he did was before splitting, he went full right roll to counteract the flipping that you experienced, it may also have been a nod to the original movie where a flareout such as this causes a similar flat spin to what you experienced
I don't think he was zone 5 full blowers and supersonic in the movie when he did it either, he was practically in a stall. 🤷♂ This guy was stabbing as fast as he could while chewing 5 gum.
That simply enhances horizontal stability. At low speed you would simply go into a flatspin quicker.
this man really bought a tomcat just to show us
Well I don't know about the F-14, but I'm doing that pretty much all the time in the F/A-18.
Maximum side rudder input + differential thrust = falling leaf par excellence.
Yeah I love differential thrust in the 18. Slow speed in that feels so good
@@user-iu6sd8su3e what are you feeling again? your computer chair?
@@LewtenantZen-ph5gc English must be your second language. Try a dictionary
This is funny because various DCS players have tested the 'Splitting the Throttles' on an F-14 and have found it does help slightly when you are above the target and need to get a bead on the target fast. They didn't lose control or have issues when they tried it so I wonder if you just did it for too long or what. Also to be fair there are Real Life F-18 Pilots who find DCS strange and difficult to fly in.......
Read the description.
He’s just dumb and doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Dcs version was the 'cobra stall' 😭
Well, clearly Capt Pete Mitchell was piloting that F-14. 😂
He looked more like he was trying to the the kvochur bell maneuver than actually splitting the throttles.
The real problem is, in the movie the F-14s were probably flying TF-30 engines as those were the only F-14s ever exported.
All that aggressive maneuvering will no doubt cause a compressor stall
We’ll both F-14s in this video were A models so the fact the DCS didn’t immediately stall suggests that maybe if Maverick was quick enough with the manoeuvre he could probably avoid the stall. Idk
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Its actually a theory of mine that since Goose died because of a compressor stall causing an uncontrolled flat spin, Maverick spent the last 30 years perfecting how to prevent that. He became so good at it thay now he could not only prevent it, but control the flat spin so well that he could out maneuver Su-57s with it.
Ah, the infamous flatspin of death. The maneuver that ended up killing Goose.
Growling Sidewinder showed that it works, but is very twitchy and prone to flat spinning.
Goose died due to engine failure.
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Expectation vs Game
I think that should be your wording 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think statement "It's not the plane it's the pilot" applies here.
To settle the topic, I’ll quote Dave “Bio” Baranek :
Thanks for asking about this. I wish I had a more definitive answer, but I don't recall Tomcat pilots using split throttles in engagements. I joined the fleet in 1981 and the Tomcat community had realized that the jet had a dangerous flat spin mode. Early in its career, they thought the Tomcat wouldn't spin! My point is that by the time I joined, pilots were more careful. In the early days they used to do things like depart the aircraft as a last-ditch guns defense!
Even with the more stable 110 engines, I don't think pilots of the B or D models would use split throttles.
But I thought it was a very clever tactic for the movie!
Hope this helps - Bio
Bottom line, Top Guns a movie. Not a documentary.
Grumman themselves claimed it wouldn't flat spin. There's a good video of an F14 test pilot proving them wrong.
th-cam.com/video/ghxQfkngeKI/w-d-xo.html
i like how “reality” is just a sim😂
“I’ll try spinning! That’s a good trick.”
" reality" yet compares it to a videogame.. 🤣 Jesus... You do know... All the jets in the movie were real? And there was little to no CGI in the new film.. correct? When I say this... Ofc the explosions of billion dollar aircrafts weren't real etc... But like .. to compare a videogame to reality is idk.. just no.. lol.
Well. The F-14 scenes were CGI. The F-14 used in the movie is in a museum and hasn't flown for years. The US hasn't operated an F-14 since 2006. And Iran wouldn't allow anyone to touch theirs.
Check the description for context. DCS is actually more realistic than the movie CGI, and there have been multiple fighter pilots that have attested to this fact.
Especially considering all of the F-14 scenes in the movie were completely CGI…
EDIT: Also to be clear, the point of the video was not to show that these stunts are impossible - the point was to poke fun at newbies trying it for the first time in the sim.
EDIT 2: I wouldn’t call this a pin of shame at all. I think it’s important to pin this comment because a lot of people have this question, and it’s an easy way to address it.
@@Mark36912 yeah there is no way they had a real one flying... Like a whole dinosaur aircraft flying? Yeah no way 🤣. Like they said in the film, A bag of ass 🤣. It's kinda crazy if you think about how good modern CGI is getting tho.
@@bravosix1611 you're telling me.. DCS a video game is more realistic then reality?? And yeah I know real fighter pilots play this game and have whole 3D printed cockpits for this game.. BUT.. isn't this you recording yourself?? Aka not a pilot? Lol.
So again, the movie is not “reality” as the F-14 was completely CGI.
And yes, I’m saying that the sim is more accurate than the movie CGI.
Also I am a pilot IRL lmao
Splitting the throttles was a thing in the Tomcat... Just not the A... And probably not swept...
F14: "spliting throttles"
SU-57: "bro... you need a thrust vectoring"
mav getting into ANOTHER flat spin would probably be shitting his pants
Expectation vs reality but reality isnt even real its just a game
True XDDD nice reality
Ha agree mate
“Reality” is a flight simulation?? 🤦♂️
How dare you... 😂 TG Maveric made me all fuzzy..
I love how "reality" is in the simulator