9/10 times the customer is what makes it take forever. That’s fine, and there are exceptions (it’s really busy, finance is backed up, etc) but MOSTLY it’s the customer who drags it out.
I'll take my chance with Direct to Consumer. I buy a lot of new vehicles, a lot. Tired of sleazy dealers. Price is 1 issue but dealing with the sales game and finance managers selling you crap you dont want. D to C with be glorious!
@@abnormalmining9436 very true. This conversation is more about the OVERALL pricing problem than individual dealers tactics. Even with the tactics, dealers effect ~6-8% of the price. Don’t get me wrong, 6-8% isn’t nothing, but they can’t control the 25-40% that the manufacturers raised the prices. Like I said, not DEFENDING shady dealers, just saying don’t blame individual dealers for the OVERALL price problem cause by big corporations.
Dealers earned their terrible reputations with their ADM's on the new side, and they have always been practically criminal in their used car pricing. The reason there was a $72k Toyota Rav 4 Prime which MSRP'd for $45k isnt because of interest rates, it was dealership and distributor greed. I'd absolutely prefer a direct to consumer buying structure.
Most of your comment is a bit of a stretch pal. You're missing the overall discussion with being mad at dealerships, which is the exact point of the conversation. Dealerships for the most part have 0 control over interest rates. The MANUFACTURERS with lenders can do incentivized rates. As I said in the video countless times, I'm not claiming dealerships are innocent, but blaming them for the OVERALL price problem in the modern car market is incorrect. MANUFACTURERS control 90%+ of the pricing, dealers are sub 10%. The entire discussion was about PRICING and how the dealerships can not bring a $80,000 vehicle to $55,000 and stay in business WITHOUT manufacturer rebates. If you want to be mad over 2-3% of the overall price, have fun. You're missing who's really to blame here, GREEDY COORPORATIONS. In every other industry people agree. The car business? Oh no it's just those greedy dealers!
@@BadoreksDailys that’s a long winded reply to at doesn’t touch at all on what I said. I don’t care about your lack of an ability to sell a car without massive rebates. Dealer ADM put a sour taste in peoples mouths and now that they are sitting on too much inventory because of interest rates. Dealers will never get any pity. Especially when a long range Tesla model Y today can be purchased for about $20k less than it was 3 years ago (MSRP). It’s also become the best selling car in the world. So it would seem the direct sales model is working pretty well.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc you mean, the manufacturer lowered the price?! That’s the whole point. The entire discussion is the entire PRICE issue as a whole and the fact that individual dealerships can’t control the manufacturers, who PRICE the vehicles. I’m guessing you didn’t pay much attention, if you did, you would’ve known that’s the whole point lol. I’m not dating dealerships are innocent, I’m saying the overall pricing issue is not the 5-10% dealerships can control, it’s the 20-30% that the MANUFACTURERS control. If you want to be mad at dealers just to be mad go ahead, but they can’t change pricing by 20-20+ %.
@@BadoreksDailys i dont care one way or another about dealerships. I will never buy a vehicle above MSRP so their games dont affect me. As far as manufacturers, their time is approaching also. You can only overprice a 1500 pick-up so far before people wont buy them. thats why dealer stock is so high right now... 7 years ago you could buy an F350 turbo diesel dually for $75k, Now a loaded F150 platinum can push close to $90k no thanks on all accounts.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc there’s nearly 0 cars for sale at or above MSRP right now. I agree, the MANUFACTURERS overpriced them and have lack of incentives, that’s why they won’t sell.
What are you talking about? 😂 there’s not a single regular type vehicle selling for anything CLOSE to MSRP. Everything is significantly discounted. Is it still covid time where you live?
@@BadoreksDailys shopped today in Southern calif at a Chevy dealer. None priced at msrp all with markups. In 2022 I had to order a Ford from the Factory to have the honor of paying full MSRP.
If you're in southern CA buying in AZ would save you THOUSANDS of dollars if that's the case. At my particular store almost everything has $10,000+ off of MSRP.
I would like better to deal with direct to consumer also. Dealers not only play games to get more money from you, they take your entire day to do it.
9/10 times the customer is what makes it take forever. That’s fine, and there are exceptions (it’s really busy, finance is backed up, etc) but MOSTLY it’s the customer who drags it out.
I'll take my chance with Direct to Consumer. I buy a lot of new vehicles, a lot. Tired of sleazy dealers. Price is 1 issue but dealing with the sales game and finance managers selling you crap you dont want. D to C with be glorious!
So you would rather spend more money, to not buy from a dealership?
If dealers want customers, quit charging $2k for window tint and $500 for nitrogen filled tires.
Don't buy that crap. Tell them to remove the line items and walk away if they don't. Nobody is forced to buy it. Be a smart consumer.
As I said in the video, there’s good dealers and bad dealers. People only talk about the bad ones.
As the old saying goes. It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.
@@abnormalmining9436 very true. This conversation is more about the OVERALL pricing problem than individual dealers tactics. Even with the tactics, dealers effect ~6-8% of the price. Don’t get me wrong, 6-8% isn’t nothing, but they can’t control the 25-40% that the manufacturers raised the prices. Like I said, not DEFENDING shady dealers, just saying don’t blame individual dealers for the OVERALL price problem cause by big corporations.
Dealers earned their terrible reputations with their ADM's on the new side, and they have always been practically criminal in their used car pricing. The reason there was a $72k Toyota Rav 4 Prime which MSRP'd for $45k isnt because of interest rates, it was dealership and distributor greed. I'd absolutely prefer a direct to consumer buying structure.
Most of your comment is a bit of a stretch pal. You're missing the overall discussion with being mad at dealerships, which is the exact point of the conversation. Dealerships for the most part have 0 control over interest rates. The MANUFACTURERS with lenders can do incentivized rates. As I said in the video countless times, I'm not claiming dealerships are innocent, but blaming them for the OVERALL price problem in the modern car market is incorrect. MANUFACTURERS control 90%+ of the pricing, dealers are sub 10%. The entire discussion was about PRICING and how the dealerships can not bring a $80,000 vehicle to $55,000 and stay in business WITHOUT manufacturer rebates. If you want to be mad over 2-3% of the overall price, have fun. You're missing who's really to blame here, GREEDY COORPORATIONS. In every other industry people agree. The car business? Oh no it's just those greedy dealers!
@@BadoreksDailys that’s a long winded reply to at doesn’t touch at all on what I said. I don’t care about your lack of an ability to sell a car without massive rebates. Dealer ADM put a sour taste in peoples mouths and now that they are sitting on too much inventory because of interest rates. Dealers will never get any pity. Especially when a long range Tesla model Y today can be purchased for about $20k less than it was 3 years ago (MSRP). It’s also become the best selling car in the world. So it would seem the direct sales model is working pretty well.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc you mean, the manufacturer lowered the price?! That’s the whole point. The entire discussion is the entire PRICE issue as a whole and the fact that individual dealerships can’t control the manufacturers, who PRICE the vehicles.
I’m guessing you didn’t pay much attention, if you did, you would’ve known that’s the whole point lol. I’m not dating dealerships are innocent, I’m saying the overall pricing issue is not the 5-10% dealerships can control, it’s the 20-30% that the MANUFACTURERS control. If you want to be mad at dealers just to be mad go ahead, but they can’t change pricing by 20-20+ %.
@@BadoreksDailys i dont care one way or another about dealerships. I will never buy a vehicle above MSRP so their games dont affect me. As far as manufacturers, their time is approaching also. You can only overprice a 1500 pick-up so far before people wont buy them. thats why dealer stock is so high right now... 7 years ago you could buy an F350 turbo diesel dually for $75k, Now a loaded F150 platinum can push close to $90k no thanks on all accounts.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc there’s nearly 0 cars for sale at or above MSRP right now. I agree, the MANUFACTURERS overpriced them and have lack of incentives, that’s why they won’t sell.
Please, dealers are the main problem.
Yeah, that 8% markup they have is responsible for the 30-40% increase LMAO
Then why for the last fifty years any one who paid MSRP was getting hosed? Around Invoice pricing was the norm. Now paying MSRP is almost impossible.
What are you talking about? 😂 there’s not a single regular type vehicle selling for anything CLOSE to MSRP. Everything is significantly discounted. Is it still covid time where you live?
@@BadoreksDailys shopped today in Southern calif at a Chevy dealer. None priced at msrp all with markups. In 2022 I had to order a Ford from the Factory to have the honor of paying full MSRP.
If you're in southern CA buying in AZ would save you THOUSANDS of dollars if that's the case. At my particular store almost everything has $10,000+ off of MSRP.
BS
Lol sure