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I was about to say this feels expensive but turns out no 8840u laptop is cheaper than this. Only Intel laptops are cheaper which could have better graphics perf than this generation of AMD iGPU
Hey Linus, for any product that has a pen, or even a touch screen, it would be really nice if you tested it with a few standard active pens to see which technology it uses: - Microsoft Pen Protocol (a.k.a N-trig): used by Surface devices and many consumer grade Windows laptops and tablets. - Wacom AES: used by business grade laptops and tablets such as Thinkpads and Latitudes. - Wacom EMR: used by older tablet PCs and the Galaxy Note series. (likely more such as Apple's pencil) This entire product field is terribly documented. Even the most detailed spec sheets usually don't mention which tech they used when it comes to pen support. Some touchscreen products don't list pen support at all though the panel they used supports it and is functional. Having this tested in unboxings and listed in LTT Labs specs would be insanely helpful for those shopping for active pen enabled devices. In the case of this specific tablet, having this info available would give the user the option to shop for a cheaper compatible active pen instead of having to buy the Manufacturer's official one for $100.
Just a quick FYI: According to the product page: "The active capacitive stylus supports MPP2.0 protocol", I assume that would be "Microsoft Pen Protocol 2.0". Since that is what the stylus uses, I would think that's also what the screen supports.
Agreed, I sometimes have to do a lot of research to discover, This one is MPP, and it sucks for drawing (only the new surface devices, from 8 on, with a slim pen 2, are decent). Fortunately Samsung is using EMR in all their devices, tablets and laptops, using a S pen.
If they weren't obsessed with slim design they would have given it enough battery to last more than 1 hour while gaming...on a gaming tablet. People confuse BEING thin with OBSESSED with being thin. 15 hours of battery life at 6mm thick is still better than 5 hours at 10mm thick.
@@Devil_Himself I compared the 5 hours of non-gaming to the 15 hours of non-gaming on the ipad. Sorry for the confusion. Comparing the gaming battery life is kinda pointless, as the iPad isn't a "gaming tablet", and there is no "gaming" device on the market that lasts less than an hour.
As a student who also works in an office doing autocad this tablet pc was a blessing in disguise. This tablet with its specifications should run autocad for a good couple of hours and it's for use on the go. Can also connect to Hotspot should I need it. Also I am the type of person who has just enough adhd to not be able to study in one place for a long time so being able to have a windows tablet like this since I'm studying programming at the same time is more comfortable to use versus a full blown laptop. I sure amd processing and efficiency continues to get better for even better battery life.
It's honestly not *that* expensive, or should I rather say overpriced. Just compare it to any Surface Pro (leaving out the new Snapdragon one for now). It's way better in every way, more versatile, comes with all the accessories MS charges you extra for and is still cheaper. Seriously the best Windows tablet out there imho. I do hope they're refreshing this to Strix Point eventually, because that'd be an instant buy for me!
@@dzibanart8521 It very well might and certainly does so for gaming. I'd left the Snapdragon out because as of now, there's still very limited data as to how it actually performs. Battery life for example seems to be pretty good, but how much of that comes from Windows on ARM being better optimized for one single SoC or from actual SoC efficiency remains to be seen. There's just too many unknowns with the Snapdragon X to really draw any conclusions.
I’ve never seen V-Link before, however, I love that I can use my iPad with my MacBook as a second display to get more use out of it. It’s nice seeing Minisforum create their own version of that!
This is definitely a step in the right direction. A solid windows tablet with some horsepower and pen functionality. The price seems good to me for all the features it has, if you're attempting to compare it to something like the OneX player, or an iPad. Would be a better comparison to something like a Wacom Cintiq Pro, since those can get even more expensive depending on the size.
I picked one up while it was on presale and I love it. It's meant to compete with products like the Microsoft Surface. It has more power and gaming chops than the surface line and costs significantly less, as this comes with the keyboard but the Surface line doesn't. And while the new ARM-equipped Surface units have great battery life, they can't really game because the emulation layer they use to try to run non-ARM apps and games is STRUGGLING. (Lots of reviews out that talk about that.)
There's a mistake in the description, it says: "We solid gaming performance and impressive specs, is this the new gaming tablet to beat?" I think it's meant to say "With"
The other day I was rambling to myself like “I like tablets, but the iPad can only play stuff like the binding of Isaac and I ain’t buying an iPad Pro for resident evil, I want a real gaming tablet”, and a week later this video shows up
That pen functionality would justify the high cost for those type of devices, given the apparent sensitivity, it's hard to find a good PC tablet that you can sculpt in Zbrush, or paint in Photoshop/Substance painter with. The wacom studio pro I have been using cost about 2.5x that (the wacom studio also can be turned into a monitor as well).
As a portable workstation, I do prefer the Asus ROG Flow, the current generation has a i9 H-series CPU with a Mobile RTX4060 with 65W TDP just for the GPU, and a Pantone validated display with 165hz
you guys are always late to new stuff but vlink is just useful as a second monitor for drawing aswell i use space desk which does the same thing so useful for having a touchscreen aswell as a second monitor and portable computer so you can just unplug and have all your work on your nas so you can break out the tablet and just work from there
Hi Linus, I'm the V3 Product Manager, tks for your test, I am deeply moved to see so many suggestions and comments... BTW, I'm sorry the OSD not included in this device, The brightness can be adjusted through the volume key, the volume can be adjusted through the host/projection device, and Pogopin can be connected to the keyboard when it is used as a display....
There's an app for Windows too. I don't know how committed they are to keeping it supported; it's clearly something the company did just for funsies. But it does exist and it does work and I think you can even get it onto some iPads that are no longer supported.
Reasonable-ish at $1200, doa at $1500. I swear Minisforum consistently overcharges for their hardware. I guess you could make the argument that they serve a niche client base that’s willing to overpay for a particular design choice…
As of now, the 32gb + 1TB version is priced at $999 but is sold out unfortunately. The 16gb + 1TB version is available at $939. The magnetic keyboard is $149 so the total cost will be $1,088. Honestly it's a fair price, especially the 32gb version.
I got mine for the $1200 asking price and coming from numerous Surface Pros in the past, this thing is absolutely worth it. I mostly use it for work but occasionally I like to game on the go and my Surface Pro 8 could barely handle anything I throw at it. The V3 handles everything I throw at it.
@@Jonvon65what's your thoughts on the new arm suface devices. they are very impressive for battery life on native applications and absolutely way better than intel in aspect and efficiency
2:30 "It doesn't have the thinnest bezels" GOOD. Tablets SHOULD HAVE DECENTLY BIG BEZELS. Makes them so much easier to handle when you can easily pinch them by the side without worrying about inputs.
I actually really miss my iPad 2 (ancient) for this reason. I have the iPad Air M1 version now and I ended up buying a giant case just so I can hold the damn thing.
@@fix0the0spade Yeah, and while removing that over the course of three hours, you won't get all of it off, you'll scrape the plastic to shit and it'll end up looking horrible anyway. I avoid these coatings like the plague. Especially that I seem to have toxic hands that turn it goopy after two years.
Edit: My bad, I mixed it up with EU prices (currently 989€ & 1119€) US$999 is for the 32 GB memory version, US$939 for the 16GB. The price difference is much smaller in the US.
Sounds good, but just an APU disappoints me at that price unless someone can explain to me why that is. There have been thinner gaming laptops with a lower price and a dGPU, while i think making it a bit thicker for cooling+being a tablet would be better at that price.
Krita spotted! Too bad that wasn't a good brush to test it, just a pencil. I found that it is using the MPP 2.0 protocol, as I thought. It's not bad but it's hard to compete with how well Wacom's implementation works (from what I've seen reviewers say).
The screen actually supports MPP 2.6, but the included pen is MPP 2.0. You can purchase an MPP 2.6 compatible pen separately.Of course, this still cannot compare to an EMR pen.
@@Ehren1337 Yes, you can change the pen sensitivity curve or individual settings for each brush. The testing I've seen is for pressure levels, straight lines, smoothness, tilt. As I remember, in some cases at low sensitivity MPP pens don't show consistently straight lines. But it's probably not noticeable, just details to consider.
I’ve been saying for years that every company should be forced to use “vlink” equivalent for every device with a screen that preserves not the picture but any touch capability. Or, at the very least, provide an open source “bash kit” that allows the screen to be removed from the original housing and put into a 3D printed casing with a workable control board. Surface studio could be turned into a monitor for a machine that’s not anemic. An iPad as a second screen for my PC.
Its criminal that the surface studio isnt just... well a Monitor. This weak ass computer is terrible but the screen and hardware itself is so amazing, such a unique screen for design stuff... well with obsolete compute hardware. Like even my surface go would be so nice as a small drawing tablet if I just could connect the damn screen to my actually good pc
@@yensteel Its not only a great idea for obolete devices. I wish my last gen Ipad Pro (which is defenitly NOT obsolete yet) would be able to be used as a normal battery powered Monitor. Its a shame Apple.
For anybody wanted to use their windows tablet as a secondary monitor: Plug your thunderbolt cables if you have, or USB4 cables together, this will create a virtual network bridge. Use Moonlight to stream through that bridge. In this way you can have it as your secondary display with extremely low latency, besides 120hz. My surface can display 2880x1920 at 120hz and there's no drop-out or lag or anything.
@@gregor2436 false, the shown example of Krita is one, FireAlpaca is supported too. But I'm not aware of many others so if those don't suit your preference, that's unfortunate.
@@gregor2436 Krita and all the Android apps via Waydroid. But true, if drawing is the main focus, then an iPad is probably a better choice. I am looking for a Thin x86 Tablet with similar performance to this thing or High-end Samsung Apple Tablets. Huawei Matebook E 2022 was something like this, but underpowered and with poor battery life.
@@gilangwahyu4450 whatever you like since it's all tuned in. If you wanted an app-icon based distribution you could just force the app menu to be the default "home" I'm using Edubuntu on a second hand Surface tablet, works fine
Tbh, I love having Linus doing ShortCircuit videos. It felt like there was a time when he was doing a lot of work as CEO so he didn't really have time for them, but he's a super entertaining host for this kind of content, especially when checking out really gimmicky and/or niche electronics.
I forgot to say that whenever you want to test something in a drawing or art space, you should have Maria do it. She did it twice, and both times, her input was extremely helpful.
I have one, running Linux on it. Can confirm, is an amazing Fedora machine. Although it shipped with a defect and their support is iffy. Overall, I love the device though.
Ngl looks pretty promising. Now just make a OLED version (which yes, will impact batterylife) but In my opinion is worth it. I asume you could get more battery life out of it with a power saver plan. All in all not that bad of product. The front camera is totally fine, Linuuus but the mic could use some love. The back camera is... well Not great, but lets be honest, who uses that anyway. I mean it's better than nothing i guess. Maybe improve the keyboard a little, or just use an external one. You just need a dongle. Last but not least, the ability to use it as a screen is a Big Win in my book. That just extends the usability of the device a lot i'd imagine!
if companies actually started prioritizing functionality over stupid qualities like "thinness" I think the whole tablet market as a whole would be massive and infinitely better
It does fine for scanning documents as well. Its an "okay" camera for the kind of thing you'd ever use one on a tablet for anyways and Im glad it has a rear camera. Its just easy to smudge on the corner there (as I suspect Linus may have done) and it catches glare pretty bad with lights shining right at it.
@@UltimateAK86 I wish including even a crappy camera was more universal. Had a pain in the ass time setting up an ROG Ally because I had to log into my password manager by touch-screen typing the entire extremely long key instead of just snapping the QR code since there isn't a camera anywhere on it.
Oh, I've been eyeing this one for a while. I just wish it had an OLED Display and an easy option to upgrade storage. The maximum capacity of 1TB is nice and they say it's M.2, but there's barely any info on how to open the device let alone what type of SSD is in it (2880/2442/etc.). There are sources for it now, but I'd have hoped to get an "internals coverage". The price is a tad steep, but at least you can get 32GB RAM versions with AMD and all in a decently big screen. I hope it's enough for them to make a version 2 down the line.
I got one of these about a month ago now. I am the particular customer, though I don't think that particular. I just use it like a computer. At home, I plug it into a dock, it does dual display just fine, normal accessories, it's just a PC. I have another dock if I want to plug it into my TV. You can game on it on either. You can use it portably for work like you would any Windows laptop. It's benefit is simple: it's a tablet and it's got full Windows on it and you can literally just plug it into monitors. It's replacing my old home PC and if I need to take it with me, I do.
the ipad pro with keyboard and pencil and 1tb storage is $2377 and still can't run desktop applications i don't know why you brought it up, it's not even remotely comparable,
I would love to see more big screen devices like tablets and laptops support video in. It would be a great option to have them double as a screen for my Steam Deck or Switch.
32gb 6400mhz ram,1tb nvme, keyboard, pen, screen protector and a heavy duty sleeve for 1200... Price up a surface pro with similar specs and let me know. I have a surface pro 8 and a legion go. This replaces both. What is not mentioned in this video is the Linux compatibility. While not 100%, i have been running bazzite on my v3 for the last month. on screen keyboard is wonky but probably a bazzite problem. Other than that everything is working perfectly. Games play perfectly, everything works as expeced, finger print scanner and all. I am loving the fact I no longer have microsoft selling my info and its fun to finally learn linux.
I have been rocking an Asus ROG Flow x13 (2023) for about a year now. When you say that the Minisforum V3 is competing in a niche market you are not wrong. When I bought this 2-in-1 last year there were about 3 reasonable options on the market. The Flow x13, the Flow z13, and the Surface Laptop Studio 2 (which hadn't actually released but was starting to have benchmarks leak.) While I would have loved to go with a true tablet instead of the 2-in-1. Realistically the performance difference and the awkward top heavy design of Tablet+Keyboard made the z13 a non starter and thus I ended up with my current daily driver. I really like the look of this but I fear that the market for people who are both in need of a portable windows computer capable of transforming between a drawing tablet (most artists I know have moved to iPad) AND a gaming computer, may literally just be me, and I already bought my computer for the next few years lol.
Yes! I was looking for someone to mention this, I have been running the flow Z13 13900h 4060 edition and it's been amazing for gaming and editing videos. I use the tablet basically as a kind of all-in-one portable desktop, since I use my own separate keyboard and mouse almost always. But you're right about this segment of products being super niche, there really isn't a competing option at all for a powerful transformable windows machine. The closest option for the tablet form factor was the surface pro, and that thing is grossly underpowered compared to the Z13.
These tablet PCs are such a tease, so close to the AMD/Intel smartphone I dream of. I don’t care that it won’t have the performance of an ARM smartphone or a handheld PC, the advantages would outweigh that. And I doubt it would lag far behind.
The full fat is just so it will make it a whole hour while performing it's advertised purpose lol I'll take thin for 15-20 hours over fat for 1-5 any day. And the fact it won't run at the same TDP as a Steam Deck without being plugged into a wall is absurd. It made huge compromises in every category just so it could be the same form factor as an iPad with a different advertised purpose.
@@rmp5s The surface pros run for a full day pretty reliably anyway. I mean they are not gaming devices but they do decent and they do have good batteries. As good as an ipad? no...but certainly 7-10 is normal for me.
It’s only 1 hour of gaming plus you gotta carry around an extra controller. I get it’s meant to do everything but getting something that great at one thing is better. For example you could get a used iPad Pro and a steam deck Oled for this price. The iPad gives you a mini led tablet with hdr and 10 hours of battery life and steam deck Oled gives u Oled and 3-3.5 h of battery on every game. The portable monitor function seems useful but there is no osd so u can’t control sound. I would just wait for second or third generation of this product or go with a used ASUS flow z13 with a 4050.
That ASUS flow z13 is a similar tablet but with massive performance improvement with the same battery life as this. You can’t have the portable monitor feature but I saw them used for 1000$.
@@shazzi1626 For me this replaced the need to pack a Windows laptop and my OLED SteamDeck when I travel. Now I just bring the V3 and save space, and it plays more games and movies at higher performance on a bigger screen than the Deck and provides all of what I needed my Windows PC for while allowing extended pen functionality. With low demand games and movies, battery life is about ~3Hrs in 60Hz refresh 15W TDP mode with Radeon settings locking game performance to 30FPS, medium screen brightness. Just watching TH-cam with battery saver on you will get around 5 Hrs on a full charge.
Im curious how this would handle something like Blender, this seems like a nice choice for someone who wants to do art but also do sculpting in there or zbrush etc!
@@ChrisValin-w6o obviously 32 gigs of ram lol. I don't even think anyone makes devices with that little storage anymore. $999 for 32gb ram and 1tb storage
It looks cheap.. like too cheap.. and like a proof of concept instead of a product.. but this is coming from an s8 ultra user which is a very refined tablet
a Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Pro 360 is on sale for $1500, with a 16" (fragile!) screen, and uses Wacom's old tech (but silky) as their S-Pen. I used several other PC tablets and Surface Pros for portable drawing and light gaming so I can see the niche they're aiming for. i just don't know about the pen.
I actually think that this would be a serious option for my next device. I like the 2-in-1 tablet style for annotating documents at work, the keyboard not being insanely amazing isnt a problem as I only need it for meetings, and it would live on a dock most of my work day so battery life isnt super important. The display anti-glare is good for office lights and the CPU would be more than enough for Autocad, Visio and Excel
@@tschorsch I hope its a big success for MinisForum. Its a great device and a new segment for them. For their first model in this market they hit it out of the park considering who their main competitors are in this space (Apple and Microsoft).
Yea that's the only gripe I have with mine as well. Also coming from a Surface Pro, the keyboard leaves a little to be desired but it's still way better than I thought it would be. Other than that it's quite stellar!
@@Jonvon65 I don't have any other tablet keyboard to compare to, so it's fine for me. But a little too flexible in the middle. Sadly, with all the accessories, it's as heavy as a standard laptop. :(
@@johnmiranda4587 I haven't really done any endurance tests. Coming form a Surface Pro 8 it feels about the same. I can play some intensive games for about 1.5-2 hours before it's drops down to battery saver mode. Doing light work and browsing the web I get a good amount of screen on time, probably around 6-7 hours but I haven't used it for that length of time all at once. Something to note though is I have it hard locked into 28w mode which is great for performance, but hard on the battery. Another thing to note is that this tablet will happily charge on any PD charging device without complaint or reverting to a power saving mode like most laptops would.
@@baltmatrix Yea it's definitely chunky, especially since the hinge cover is practically mandatory. But when it's just the tablet, it feels quite nice.
Make one with no more than 11" and USB4/Thunderbolt and under 999 and I may consider it, Otherwise it makes no sense with the legion Go going for 800. I might get the v2, hope it is a little bit thinner.
linus review miniforum’s mini pcs all in a single video. I just got a HX99G and love it so far would love to see how it compares to it other products or others in the market such as the ROG NUC
Man, the Surface 11 starts at 999, although admittedly without the accessories, and I have to say, the shaved weight and more than twice the battery life is... hard to argue with. Sure, you're not going to be playing Forza on it, but there are a ton of good gaming handhelds with this exact spec now for that. And if you don't care about weight and battery, ASUS makes a tablet in this form factor that is thicker and heavier... but it has a discrete GPU, ranging from a 3050 all the way up to a 4070. I think this is cool, it's just in an awkward middle ground that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. I hope they try again when the hardware options for the APU are in a more interesting place.
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As a long time surface user, the accesories are a long term investment. I still use my Pro 3 keyborard cover with my SP7. So I'm confident that the new system will exist for a long time too. With this Minisforum one I'm not so sure about it.
@@nicoloserri6071 Sure? I mean, yeah, they chose to keep the 32 Gb option for the top tier, which also has the OLED panel and the faster CPU, their offerings don't match 1 to 1. And yes, even on the cheap one you do need to buy the pen and keyboard separately, and in the Apple spirit they overcharge for those a LOT, good on both Asus and Minisforum for including those, although the other commenter is right that if you upgrade within the line they do a good job of keeping backwards compatibility, which also makes it easier to buy third party alternatives, especially for the pen. But you're missing the point, I think. The idea is this thing is like one of the handhelds wit the same APU but in a tablet, but it's a bit more expensive and it doesn't use the extra space very well. So if you want a gaming device in a tablet format you may as well explore the ASUS Flow series for the same price and if you want a good tablet the Surface Pro 11 is much, much better at being that. I love the concept, I'm absolutely a Windows tablet guy, but at the moment nobody is doing that concept without at least some compromises. I really hope somebody nails a best of both worlds device at some point, though, it's a super intriguing space.
And once you have a few of the accessories about, it's easy to hit swappa and buy a few years old device for pretty reasonable... Which is why we have 6 SP6 and a SP4, and 3 pens, a few keyboard, a bridge keyboard, and 3 docks scattered around the house. They are damn slick (You just pay $$ for the slickness)
@@brwetide Yeah, my Surface hand-me-downs are the tablet solution for my whole family by now. The problem is with the Pro 11 being so good as a tablet the gap between a Windows tablet for tablet stuff and a gaming device is now so huge. If you're giving up on the snappy video, the battery life, the weight, the OLED screen, the good speakers, the fast Windows Hello, the mobile-like power management... you may as well get a more powerful thing instead. Otherwise you can just get an entry level Surface and an entry level Steam Deck and have a better experience in both applications.
If you ever priced a Microsoft surface pro laptop you would be thanking god almighty for such a low price! Also, the price has dropped to $999 including keyboard, 32G RAM, 1TB flash ...
@@benjameetsworldnope, it work with all new videos but only of LTT and the other channels. Sometimes it works with others as well but there its an on-off thing with 0 consistency so on other channels its like 1 in 100 when being optimistic
This is a FUNCTIONAL COMPUTER, and a FUNCTIONAL DRAWING TABLET, for less than a Wacom Cintiq Pro 16... Also consider the crazy inflation in America, $1,500 US really ain't that much anymore. I think you should compare this to a Wacom MobileStudio Pro 16, it's considerably more expensive, but also has it's own problems. I think for something that is clearly trying to break into the creator/artist space, you should compare that to something already in the space. Obviously Wacom stuff is way more expensive, but you could 100% make a video about WHY it's so expensive and... is it really worth it?
Listen. Even at its listed $1500, how can you compare it to an iPad? This one is an actual PC and can be used as an external display for *anything* (where as the ipad is limited to just Apple devices with Airplay) and, i would argue it has a far more powerful APU in it that can run games (while ipad can only run mobile 'iphone/ipad games). Sorry, theirs no comparison here. I'm *suuuper* tempted to pick one of these up, but im curious how well Linux runs on it, and if it retains all the features.
I'm BEGGING for a 2-in-1 form factor like this to come back with a keyboard WITH A HINGE. Something I can actually use on my lap in a car. Cover & kickstand designs become useless without a solid-surface to work on.
They better support something like the Lamy stylus or other 3rd party styluses (if they have wacom tech inside) 100 bucks for a stylus like this is just a big nope
When traveling, it would be great to turn my tablet I take with me into a second display at the hotel or where I am working. But Windows for a tablet always sucks, even if it can play games. I want my big iPad Pro to be a second screen for a Windows laptop because I know the device is excellent for battery and display tech. And this isn't either, especially for that price in a market dominated by the low-cost Steam Deck.
I read the title and expected it to be like 3cm thick. this is still thin, just not absurdly thin. if they'd made it 3-5mm thicker the battery could have been WAY bigger.
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not my style daily driver.
Sounds got a bit of an echo
I was about to say this feels expensive but turns out no 8840u laptop is cheaper than this. Only Intel laptops are cheaper which could have better graphics perf than this generation of AMD iGPU
I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!!!!
Hey Linus, for any product that has a pen, or even a touch screen, it would be really nice if you tested it with a few standard active pens to see which technology it uses:
- Microsoft Pen Protocol (a.k.a N-trig): used by Surface devices and many consumer grade Windows laptops and tablets.
- Wacom AES: used by business grade laptops and tablets such as Thinkpads and Latitudes.
- Wacom EMR: used by older tablet PCs and the Galaxy Note series.
(likely more such as Apple's pencil)
This entire product field is terribly documented. Even the most detailed spec sheets usually don't mention which tech they used when it comes to pen support. Some touchscreen products don't list pen support at all though the panel they used supports it and is functional. Having this tested in unboxings and listed in LTT Labs specs would be insanely helpful for those shopping for active pen enabled devices.
In the case of this specific tablet, having this info available would give the user the option to shop for a cheaper compatible active pen instead of having to buy the Manufacturer's official one for $100.
would also LOVE to see this!
I was so surprised he didn't hand it off to his art department for that segment =l
Just a quick FYI: According to the product page: "The active capacitive stylus supports MPP2.0 protocol", I assume that would be "Microsoft Pen Protocol 2.0". Since that is what the stylus uses, I would think that's also what the screen supports.
Good idea, I would also be interested in seeing those specs
Agreed, I sometimes have to do a lot of research to discover, This one is MPP, and it sucks for drawing (only the new surface devices, from 8 on, with a slim pen 2, are decent). Fortunately Samsung is using EMR in all their devices, tablets and laptops, using a S pen.
Finally someone who is not obsessed with slim design
If they weren't obsessed with slim design they would have given it enough battery to last more than 1 hour while gaming...on a gaming tablet.
People confuse BEING thin with OBSESSED with being thin. 15 hours of battery life at 6mm thick is still better than 5 hours at 10mm thick.
Who gives 15 hours of gaming in battery
@@Devil_Himself I compared the 5 hours of non-gaming to the 15 hours of non-gaming on the ipad. Sorry for the confusion.
Comparing the gaming battery life is kinda pointless, as the iPad isn't a "gaming tablet", and there is no "gaming" device on the market that lasts less than an hour.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad noice
im only for thiccness if they actually put thicc and bigger battery in it..
As a student who also works in an office doing autocad this tablet pc was a blessing in disguise. This tablet with its specifications should run autocad for a good couple of hours and it's for use on the go. Can also connect to Hotspot should I need it.
Also I am the type of person who has just enough adhd to not be able to study in one place for a long time so being able to have a windows tablet like this since I'm studying programming at the same time is more comfortable to use versus a full blown laptop. I sure amd processing and efficiency continues to get better for even better battery life.
It's honestly not *that* expensive, or should I rather say overpriced. Just compare it to any Surface Pro (leaving out the new Snapdragon one for now). It's way better in every way, more versatile, comes with all the accessories MS charges you extra for and is still cheaper. Seriously the best Windows tablet out there imho. I do hope they're refreshing this to Strix Point eventually, because that'd be an instant buy for me!
IKR. Its a very good price for that tech
This performs way better than the snap dragon X Elite.
@@dzibanart8521well not really. Elite has NPU
@@dzibanart8521 It very well might and certainly does so for gaming. I'd left the Snapdragon out because as of now, there's still very limited data as to how it actually performs. Battery life for example seems to be pretty good, but how much of that comes from Windows on ARM being better optimized for one single SoC or from actual SoC efficiency remains to be seen. There's just too many unknowns with the Snapdragon X to really draw any conclusions.
Wow keyboard and open comes with it? Apple and Microsoft need to do this
I’ve never seen V-Link before, however, I love that I can use my iPad with my MacBook as a second display to get more use out of it. It’s nice seeing Minisforum create their own version of that!
And you can use this with any laptop or PC, not just Macbooks. Of course, macs should also work.
Currently its limited to 30 fps
This is definitely a step in the right direction. A solid windows tablet with some horsepower and pen functionality. The price seems good to me for all the features it has, if you're attempting to compare it to something like the OneX player, or an iPad.
Would be a better comparison to something like a Wacom Cintiq Pro, since those can get even more expensive depending on the size.
32 GB variant out of stock within an hour of this video coming out, damn.
Very impressive. I was thinking of getting the Tuxedo laptop specked at 92gb ram. But this is good too.
Amazon with a $250 off coupon > 1k out the door. Mine came yesterday
I picked one up while it was on presale and I love it. It's meant to compete with products like the Microsoft Surface. It has more power and gaming chops than the surface line and costs significantly less, as this comes with the keyboard but the Surface line doesn't.
And while the new ARM-equipped Surface units have great battery life, they can't really game because the emulation layer they use to try to run non-ARM apps and games is STRUGGLING. (Lots of reviews out that talk about that.)
There's a mistake in the description, it says: "We solid gaming performance and impressive specs, is this the new gaming tablet to beat?" I think it's meant to say "With"
The other day I was rambling to myself like “I like tablets, but the iPad can only play stuff like the binding of Isaac and I ain’t buying an iPad Pro for resident evil, I want a real gaming tablet”, and a week later this video shows up
isn't this the company that made the really cool mac-pro-sized PC
That pen functionality would justify the high cost for those type of devices, given the apparent sensitivity, it's hard to find a good PC tablet that you can sculpt in Zbrush, or paint in Photoshop/Substance painter with. The wacom studio pro I have been using cost about 2.5x that (the wacom studio also can be turned into a monitor as well).
I cannot believe at this price it's not being compared to the superior z13, maybe have Alex review these since he's actually used the best.
As a portable workstation, I do prefer the Asus ROG Flow, the current generation has a i9 H-series CPU with a Mobile RTX4060 with 65W TDP just for the GPU, and a Pantone validated display with 165hz
you guys are always late to new stuff but vlink is just useful as a second monitor for drawing aswell i use space desk which does the same thing so useful for having a touchscreen aswell as a second monitor and portable computer so you can just unplug and have all your work on your nas so you can break out the tablet and just work from there
with an MCIO port this might have been my new daily driver replacing a standard DIY desktop
Hi Linus, I'm the V3 Product Manager, tks for your test, I am deeply moved to see so many suggestions and comments...
BTW, I'm sorry the OSD not included in this device, The brightness can be adjusted through the volume key, the volume can be adjusted through the host/projection device, and Pogopin can be connected to the keyboard when it is used as a display....
You can also use many recent iPads as 2nd monitor (“Sidecar”) for Macs.
There's an app for Windows too. I don't know how committed they are to keeping it supported; it's clearly something the company did just for funsies. But it does exist and it does work and I think you can even get it onto some iPads that are no longer supported.
Please put pressure on this company to do bios updates and security updates for the firmware, if you’re gonna showcase them please!
i had problems with first batch um790 and had great customer service - got easy replacement. cool product
Minisforum should consider making a version of this with an AMD GPU like the rx 7700s or sth. Give us a successor to the ROG Flow z13
In Europe, pen is not included, but comes with a discount.
should have watched this video before buying a snapdragon surface (still can return it so...)
So VLINK is the new target disp- oh you mention it nevermind
A windows tablet that is actually good for gaming AND drawing ? man i will be so happy in 5 years when i get one second hand
Minisforum does sales constantly
If they had a 17" version I would be submitting an order instead of typing this comment right now
What I'd be really interested in knowing is does the pen and pressure still work in 2nd screen "vlink" mode.
This thing would be cool dual booted with SteamOS
but can it be used as a drawing display tablet for another machine? with C this shouldn't be impossible...
Reasonable-ish at $1200, doa at $1500. I swear Minisforum consistently overcharges for their hardware. I guess you could make the argument that they serve a niche client base that’s willing to overpay for a particular design choice…
I had a similar issue with color accuracy - make sure AMD's Vari-bright is turned off. its on by default and screws up the color accuracy.
Linus really did stand for Eminem there Hahaha
When you did the stand I expected you to make a JoJo pose.
Anyone else see the typo in the description?
Who cares lol
Linus are those your arms in the thumbnail?
This thing is actually interesting, I wish them success, maybe someday I can get one !
goddamn at $1000 USD this is basically a steal.
Turns out they watched the video fairly quick because it's only 939.00 USD now! LOL
As of now, the 32gb + 1TB version is priced at $999 but is sold out unfortunately.
The 16gb + 1TB version is available at $939. The magnetic keyboard is $149 so the total cost will be $1,088.
Honestly it's a fair price, especially the 32gb version.
I got mine for the $1200 asking price and coming from numerous Surface Pros in the past, this thing is absolutely worth it. I mostly use it for work but occasionally I like to game on the go and my Surface Pro 8 could barely handle anything I throw at it. The V3 handles everything I throw at it.
but it comes with the keyboard INCLUDED??? you dont need to buy an additional one.
@@willba4 Keyboard is technically not included, but Minisforum has been bundling it in for free for the earlier orders.
@@Jonvon65what's your thoughts on the new arm suface devices. they are very impressive for battery life on native applications and absolutely way better than intel in aspect and efficiency
The magnetic keyboard WITHOUT Bluetooth. :(((
Newton: the thicker the object, the greater the pull.
He was talking about your mom
applies to thic women too.
*Sir Mix-A-Lot has joined the chat*
That's what she said
The greater the mass the greater the force of attraction.
2:30 "It doesn't have the thinnest bezels"
GOOD. Tablets SHOULD HAVE DECENTLY BIG BEZELS. Makes them so much easier to handle when you can easily pinch them by the side without worrying about inputs.
I actually really miss my iPad 2 (ancient) for this reason. I have the iPad Air M1 version now and I ended up buying a giant case just so I can hold the damn thing.
OMG I'm not the only one! Pizza crusts FTW!
My mom still has her IPad 2. It is very slow and was repaired once due to a shattered front, but it and its battery still work.
If it has slim bezels use a strap at the back or a stud. As holder at the back
@@univera1111 It helps, but it's not a full solution, because it inherently changes how you need to interface with the thing.
Please tell me they didn't use that awful rubberized coating that melts into sticky tree sap after a couple years...
you can clean it with isopropyl alcohol...
@@ViXoZuDo You can remove it with isopropyl alcohol. Doesn't change that the rubber rots away.
@@fix0the0spade Yeah, and while removing that over the course of three hours, you won't get all of it off, you'll scrape the plastic to shit and it'll end up looking horrible anyway.
I avoid these coatings like the plague. Especially that I seem to have toxic hands that turn it goopy after two years.
The body is magnesium alloy. No rubber coatings what so ever. I own it so I can confirm 😄
Not every rubbery finish product gets sticky, it's a matter of quality and resistance to heat.
It’s currently discounted to US$999 and available for that price on Amazon
That's a much more palatable price. The MSRP is a bit bonkers.
@@TheJohn8765msrp means nothing. Its only to make a "sale" look decent
Edit: My bad, I mixed it up with EU prices (currently 989€ & 1119€)
US$999 is for the 32 GB memory version, US$939 for the 16GB.
The price difference is much smaller in the US.
Sounds good, but just an APU disappoints me at that price unless someone can explain to me why that is. There have been thinner gaming laptops with a lower price and a dGPU, while i think making it a bit thicker for cooling+being a tablet would be better at that price.
@@thethirdfrog It's $999 for the 32gb and 1TB version on their site right now.
Krita spotted! Too bad that wasn't a good brush to test it, just a pencil. I found that it is using the MPP 2.0 protocol, as I thought. It's not bad but it's hard to compete with how well Wacom's implementation works (from what I've seen reviewers say).
honestly i'm just happy he used Krita
The screen actually supports MPP 2.6, but the included pen is MPP 2.0. You can purchase an MPP 2.6 compatible pen separately.Of course, this still cannot compare to an EMR pen.
isnt there pressure adjustable setting for pen on krita?
@@Ehren1337 Yes, you can change the pen sensitivity curve or individual settings for each brush.
The testing I've seen is for pressure levels, straight lines, smoothness, tilt. As I remember, in some cases at low sensitivity MPP pens don't show consistently straight lines. But it's probably not noticeable, just details to consider.
I’ve been saying for years that every company should be forced to use “vlink” equivalent for every device with a screen that preserves not the picture but any touch capability. Or, at the very least, provide an open source “bash kit” that allows the screen to be removed from the original housing and put into a 3D printed casing with a workable control board.
Surface studio could be turned into a monitor for a machine that’s not anemic. An iPad as a second screen for my PC.
Its criminal that the surface studio isnt just... well a Monitor. This weak ass computer is terrible but the screen and hardware itself is so amazing, such a unique screen for design stuff... well with obsolete compute hardware. Like even my surface go would be so nice as a small drawing tablet if I just could connect the damn screen to my actually good pc
preach my brother
It's a great idea. It is extremely useful for obsolete devices. The software solutions have a bit of lag.
@@yensteel Its not only a great idea for obolete devices. I wish my last gen Ipad Pro (which is defenitly NOT obsolete yet) would be able to be used as a normal battery powered Monitor. Its a shame Apple.
@@MrRevenant333 Oh, sorry. Comment was a little shortsighted. Duet user here.
This is thick? People today would have snapped their wrists on the computers I used in the 90s and 2000s.
They have a skill and strength issue
@@Mr.Morden it’s really not that thick. But with the back stand and keyboard it’s thick and heavy as fuck. I love it haha
For anybody wanted to use their windows tablet as a secondary monitor:
Plug your thunderbolt cables if you have, or USB4 cables together, this will create a virtual network bridge.
Use Moonlight to stream through that bridge.
In this way you can have it as your secondary display with extremely low latency, besides 120hz. My surface can display 2880x1920 at 120hz and there's no drop-out or lag or anything.
There is also a version of moonlight for Android. I use my lenovo tablet to play games that I can't use steam link for.
A customer that wants a Linux Tablet
Android tablet is linux tablet with extra steps
Linux does not really have good pen input apps.
@@gregor2436 false, the shown example of Krita is one, FireAlpaca is supported too.
But I'm not aware of many others so if those don't suit your preference, that's unfortunate.
@@gregor2436 Krita and all the Android apps via Waydroid. But true, if drawing is the main focus, then an iPad is probably a better choice.
I am looking for a Thin x86 Tablet with similar performance to this thing or High-end Samsung Apple Tablets.
Huawei Matebook E 2022 was something like this, but underpowered and with poor battery life.
@@inevi4290 But unfortunately no native Linux apps without Termux
I'm gonna stick Linux on it
Whats the best distro for/with optimized touch screen usage?
@@gilangwahyu4450 whatever you like since it's all tuned in. If you wanted an app-icon based distribution you could just force the app menu to be the default "home"
I'm using Edubuntu on a second hand Surface tablet, works fine
@@gilangwahyu4450 basically any since they all use the Linux Wacom shim to make the touch screen work
Sorry, my previous reply went missing
Basically every Linux distribution, why are these replies getting deleted?
@@ThePlayerOfGames youtube auto moderation has been going ham for like a couple months now.
Tbh, I love having Linus doing ShortCircuit videos. It felt like there was a time when he was doing a lot of work as CEO so he didn't really have time for them, but he's a super entertaining host for this kind of content, especially when checking out really gimmicky and/or niche electronics.
I agree. I enjoy his perspective on weird consumer electronics
He gets really excited in a lot of videos. Love his enthusiasm.
I remember Linus getting in a lot of trouble not too long ago for his take on a certain niche product.
I forgot to say that whenever you want to test something in a drawing or art space, you should have Maria do it. She did it twice, and both times, her input was extremely helpful.
This thing would be great with Linux
I have one, running Linux on it. Can confirm, is an amazing Fedora machine. Although it shipped with a defect and their support is iffy. Overall, I love the device though.
@@lost-prototype 📝 Noted
Noted x2
@@smashed_penguin but it's already with "LINUX" badum tis
@@lost-prototype Does all the hardware work? The pen, the KB, touchscreen, etc?
Ngl looks pretty promising. Now just make a OLED version (which yes, will impact batterylife) but In my opinion is worth it. I asume you could get more battery life out of it with a power saver plan.
All in all not that bad of product. The front camera is totally fine, Linuuus but the mic could use some love. The back camera is... well Not great, but lets be honest, who uses that anyway. I mean it's better than nothing i guess.
Maybe improve the keyboard a little, or just use an external one. You just need a dongle.
Last but not least, the ability to use it as a screen is a Big Win in my book. That just extends the usability of the device a lot i'd imagine!
Bluethhooth keyboard would be important, with better magnets. Also the stand needs a upgrade!
if companies actually started prioritizing functionality over stupid qualities like "thinness" I think the whole tablet market as a whole would be massive and infinitely better
supposedly customers don’t buy thick laptops and I imagine the same goes for mobile, they need stop fat shaming cool tech like this heh
I feel like the rear camera probably exists only as something that can scan a QR code.
It does fine for scanning documents as well. Its an "okay" camera for the kind of thing you'd ever use one on a tablet for anyways and Im glad it has a rear camera. Its just easy to smudge on the corner there (as I suspect Linus may have done) and it catches glare pretty bad with lights shining right at it.
@@UltimateAK86 I wish including even a crappy camera was more universal. Had a pain in the ass time setting up an ROG Ally because I had to log into my password manager by touch-screen typing the entire extremely long key instead of just snapping the QR code since there isn't a camera anywhere on it.
Oh, I've been eyeing this one for a while. I just wish it had an OLED Display and an easy option to upgrade storage. The maximum capacity of 1TB is nice and they say it's M.2, but there's barely any info on how to open the device let alone what type of SSD is in it (2880/2442/etc.).
There are sources for it now, but I'd have hoped to get an "internals coverage".
The price is a tad steep, but at least you can get 32GB RAM versions with AMD and all in a decently big screen. I hope it's enough for them to make a version 2 down the line.
Get the new surface pro with x elite it's great!
I would say get a surface pro or a g14 oled
It’s v3
Price makes sense for the device honestly, the category in general is rough on the ol bank account
@@budgetproducer9617 dude. Isn't the surface pro almost 2k dollars?
I got one of these about a month ago now. I am the particular customer, though I don't think that particular.
I just use it like a computer. At home, I plug it into a dock, it does dual display just fine, normal accessories, it's just a PC. I have another dock if I want to plug it into my TV. You can game on it on either. You can use it portably for work like you would any Windows laptop. It's benefit is simple: it's a tablet and it's got full Windows on it and you can literally just plug it into monitors. It's replacing my old home PC and if I need to take it with me, I do.
"I can't even tell what finger you're holding up."
Y'know Linus, that was only going to end one way...
the ipad pro with keyboard and pencil and 1tb storage is $2377 and still can't run desktop applications
i don't know why you brought it up, it's not even remotely comparable,
Linus: "They have heard of the ipad, right?"
Minisforum: "Ipad who?😎"
I would love to see more big screen devices like tablets and laptops support video in. It would be a great option to have them double as a screen for my Steam Deck or Switch.
32gb 6400mhz ram,1tb nvme, keyboard, pen, screen protector and a heavy duty sleeve for 1200... Price up a surface pro with similar specs and let me know.
I have a surface pro 8 and a legion go. This replaces both.
What is not mentioned in this video is the Linux compatibility. While not 100%, i have been running bazzite on my v3 for the last month. on screen keyboard is wonky but probably a bazzite problem. Other than that everything is working perfectly. Games play perfectly, everything works as expeced, finger print scanner and all. I am loving the fact I no longer have microsoft selling my info and its fun to finally learn linux.
If the weight's already 1kg, I'm sure they could've found a way to fit in a 75 or 100 Wh battery
That's not how weight works...
I have been rocking an Asus ROG Flow x13 (2023) for about a year now. When you say that the Minisforum V3 is competing in a niche market you are not wrong. When I bought this 2-in-1 last year there were about 3 reasonable options on the market. The Flow x13, the Flow z13, and the Surface Laptop Studio 2 (which hadn't actually released but was starting to have benchmarks leak.) While I would have loved to go with a true tablet instead of the 2-in-1. Realistically the performance difference and the awkward top heavy design of Tablet+Keyboard made the z13 a non starter and thus I ended up with my current daily driver.
I really like the look of this but I fear that the market for people who are both in need of a portable windows computer capable of transforming between a drawing tablet (most artists I know have moved to iPad) AND a gaming computer, may literally just be me, and I already bought my computer for the next few years lol.
Yes! I was looking for someone to mention this, I have been running the flow Z13 13900h 4060 edition and it's been amazing for gaming and editing videos. I use the tablet basically as a kind of all-in-one portable desktop, since I use my own separate keyboard and mouse almost always. But you're right about this segment of products being super niche, there really isn't a competing option at all for a powerful transformable windows machine. The closest option for the tablet form factor was the surface pro, and that thing is grossly underpowered compared to the Z13.
These tablet PCs are such a tease, so close to the AMD/Intel smartphone I dream of. I don’t care that it won’t have the performance of an ARM smartphone or a handheld PC, the advantages would outweigh that. And I doubt it would lag far behind.
Stuff like this is what the iPad wishes it was...full fat, real deal Photoshop on a tablet...kinda epic.
The full fat is just so it will make it a whole hour while performing it's advertised purpose lol I'll take thin for 15-20 hours over fat for 1-5 any day. And the fact it won't run at the same TDP as a Steam Deck without being plugged into a wall is absurd. It made huge compromises in every category just so it could be the same form factor as an iPad with a different advertised purpose.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Not saying THIS device is the best...I'm saying stuff LIKE this is.
@@rmp5s oh. What’s like this?
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad These new, super powerful windows tablets...even the Microsoft Surface to a degree.
@@rmp5s The surface pros run for a full day pretty reliably anyway. I mean they are not gaming devices but they do decent and they do have good batteries. As good as an ipad? no...but certainly 7-10 is normal for me.
Honestly id rather have this form factor + controller over a handheld
Not quite as compact but yeah much better variety of use cases and no dealing with tiny display scaling.
I just ordered the 32GB version. Going to get Valves new gaming controller to pair with it! 👍
When you kept getting excited in the 1st minute and said to zoom in, I was expecting a segue… to your sponsor
5:20 Linus, there is a feature in Windows to use the pen as a mouse. Just go into settings
Minisforum makes such cool products.
I grabbed one on Amazon, $250 off coupon so 1k out the door with everything except the pen. Love this thing and is now fully replacing the legion go
It’s only 1 hour of gaming plus you gotta carry around an extra controller. I get it’s meant to do everything but getting something that great at one thing is better. For example you could get a used iPad Pro and a steam deck Oled for this price. The iPad gives you a mini led tablet with hdr and 10 hours of battery life and steam deck Oled gives u Oled and 3-3.5 h of battery on every game. The portable monitor function seems useful but there is no osd so u can’t control sound. I would just wait for second or third generation of this product or go with a used ASUS flow z13 with a 4050.
That ASUS flow z13 is a similar tablet but with massive performance improvement with the same battery life as this. You can’t have the portable monitor feature but I saw them used for 1000$.
@@shazzi1626 For me this replaced the need to pack a Windows laptop and my OLED SteamDeck when I travel. Now I just bring the V3 and save space, and it plays more games and movies at higher performance on a bigger screen than the Deck and provides all of what I needed my Windows PC for while allowing extended pen functionality. With low demand games and movies, battery life is about ~3Hrs in 60Hz refresh 15W TDP mode with Radeon settings locking game performance to 30FPS, medium screen brightness. Just watching TH-cam with battery saver on you will get around 5 Hrs on a full charge.
@@shazzi1626 1st gen Z13 was hot garbage, 2nd gen is not cheap
Im curious how this would handle something like Blender, this seems like a nice choice for someone who wants to do art but also do sculpting in there or zbrush etc!
As of right now the 32gb version is showing as $999 US
@@ChrisValin-w6o obviously 32 gigs of ram lol. I don't even think anyone makes devices with that little storage anymore. $999 for 32gb ram and 1tb storage
@@ChrisValin-w6oit’s ram. The storage is 1tb
@@ChrisValin-w6o 32GB of RAM, it includes 1TB of NVMe SSD with that.
It looks cheap.. like too cheap.. and like a proof of concept instead of a product.. but this is coming from an s8 ultra user which is a very refined tablet
a Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Pro 360 is on sale for $1500, with a 16" (fragile!) screen, and uses Wacom's old tech (but silky) as their S-Pen. I used several other PC tablets and Surface Pros for portable drawing and light gaming so I can see the niche they're aiming for. i just don't know about the pen.
I actually think that this would be a serious option for my next device. I like the 2-in-1 tablet style for annotating documents at work, the keyboard not being insanely amazing isnt a problem as I only need it for meetings, and it would live on a dock most of my work day so battery life isnt super important. The display anti-glare is good for office lights and the CPU would be more than enough for Autocad, Visio and Excel
Same, because it's also possible to use a linux steam library as well.
I’m waiting for the version with AMD Strix point
ok, this sounds like a really nice product
I was considering buying this yesterday and was searching for LTT's review but there wasn't one.. and then you post this. Can't believe it.
And now, the 32gb version is sold out, at least for the moment.
@@tschorsch I hope its a big success for MinisForum. Its a great device and a new segment for them. For their first model in this market they hit it out of the park considering who their main competitors are in this space (Apple and Microsoft).
this is not a review...
If I didn't want a framework to replace my surface pro when it finally dies off.... this looks pretty dang sick
10:40 always wanted to do this to my boss
I've got this and it's pretty good. Only complaint is that the 'stand' slides off way to easily. I wish they built the stand into the tablet itself.
Yea that's the only gripe I have with mine as well. Also coming from a Surface Pro, the keyboard leaves a little to be desired but it's still way better than I thought it would be. Other than that it's quite stellar!
@@Jonvon65 I don't have any other tablet keyboard to compare to, so it's fine for me. But a little too flexible in the middle. Sadly, with all the accessories, it's as heavy as a standard laptop. :(
Opinion about its battery life?
@@johnmiranda4587 I haven't really done any endurance tests. Coming form a Surface Pro 8 it feels about the same. I can play some intensive games for about 1.5-2 hours before it's drops down to battery saver mode. Doing light work and browsing the web I get a good amount of screen on time, probably around 6-7 hours but I haven't used it for that length of time all at once. Something to note though is I have it hard locked into 28w mode which is great for performance, but hard on the battery. Another thing to note is that this tablet will happily charge on any PD charging device without complaint or reverting to a power saving mode like most laptops would.
@@baltmatrix Yea it's definitely chunky, especially since the hinge cover is practically mandatory. But when it's just the tablet, it feels quite nice.
Y'know, the thing about Linus, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes.
I don't want AI correcting the gays.
Make one with no more than 11" and USB4/Thunderbolt and under 999 and I may consider it,
Otherwise it makes no sense with the legion Go going for 800.
I might get the v2, hope it is a little bit thinner.
I actually read that as misinformed V3
6:15 HOOLLLYYY HES PACKING
GET THAT PISTOL DOWN!
I got bullied in gym class for my raised flag, it was resting, not excited. 💪
linus review miniforum’s mini pcs all in a single video. I just got a HX99G and love it so far would love to see how it compares to it other products or others in the market such as the ROG NUC
Man, the Surface 11 starts at 999, although admittedly without the accessories, and I have to say, the shaved weight and more than twice the battery life is... hard to argue with.
Sure, you're not going to be playing Forza on it, but there are a ton of good gaming handhelds with this exact spec now for that.
And if you don't care about weight and battery, ASUS makes a tablet in this form factor that is thicker and heavier... but it has a discrete GPU, ranging from a 3050 all the way up to a 4070.
I think this is cool, it's just in an awkward middle ground that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. I hope they try again when the hardware options for the APU are in a more interesting place.
As a long time surface user, the accesories are a long term investment. I still use my Pro 3 keyborard cover with my SP7. So I'm confident that the new system will exist for a long time too. With this Minisforum one I'm not so sure about it.
You have to spend over 2000$ to get 32gb of ram on the surface pro 11... and you still have to buy the keyboard and the pen
@@nicoloserri6071 Sure? I mean, yeah, they chose to keep the 32 Gb option for the top tier, which also has the OLED panel and the faster CPU, their offerings don't match 1 to 1.
And yes, even on the cheap one you do need to buy the pen and keyboard separately, and in the Apple spirit they overcharge for those a LOT, good on both Asus and Minisforum for including those, although the other commenter is right that if you upgrade within the line they do a good job of keeping backwards compatibility, which also makes it easier to buy third party alternatives, especially for the pen.
But you're missing the point, I think. The idea is this thing is like one of the handhelds wit the same APU but in a tablet, but it's a bit more expensive and it doesn't use the extra space very well. So if you want a gaming device in a tablet format you may as well explore the ASUS Flow series for the same price and if you want a good tablet the Surface Pro 11 is much, much better at being that. I love the concept, I'm absolutely a Windows tablet guy, but at the moment nobody is doing that concept without at least some compromises. I really hope somebody nails a best of both worlds device at some point, though, it's a super intriguing space.
And once you have a few of the accessories about, it's easy to hit swappa and buy a few years old device for pretty reasonable... Which is why we have 6 SP6 and a SP4, and 3 pens, a few keyboard, a bridge keyboard, and 3 docks scattered around the house. They are damn slick (You just pay $$ for the slickness)
@@brwetide Yeah, my Surface hand-me-downs are the tablet solution for my whole family by now.
The problem is with the Pro 11 being so good as a tablet the gap between a Windows tablet for tablet stuff and a gaming device is now so huge. If you're giving up on the snappy video, the battery life, the weight, the OLED screen, the good speakers, the fast Windows Hello, the mobile-like power management... you may as well get a more powerful thing instead. Otherwise you can just get an entry level Surface and an entry level Steam Deck and have a better experience in both applications.
The price is insane I can see maybe $800 or close to a thousand but wow it’s just to much for my wallet
I love non comparative price judgements.
its actually 999 right now
If you ever priced a Microsoft surface pro laptop you would be thanking god almighty for such a low price! Also, the price has dropped to $999 including keyboard, 32G RAM, 1TB flash ...
@@3_pancakes767 people will always beg for cheaper stuff
Is that the most fingerprinty finish ever or what? Super great choice for a device that is intended to be handled constantly...
Since when are all LTT produced videos able to be minimized and run in background on mobile? I love it guys:)
Probably just a software update for your phone.
thats a YT premium thing...
Well sure, but i dont have youtube premium @@oxfordsparkyand it mostly only works with every newly released LTT produced video
@@benjameetsworldnope, it work with all new videos but only of LTT and the other channels. Sometimes it works with others as well but there its an on-off thing with 0 consistency so on other channels its like 1 in 100 when being optimistic
This is a FUNCTIONAL COMPUTER, and a FUNCTIONAL DRAWING TABLET, for less than a Wacom Cintiq Pro 16...
Also consider the crazy inflation in America, $1,500 US really ain't that much anymore.
I think you should compare this to a Wacom MobileStudio Pro 16, it's considerably more expensive, but also has it's own problems.
I think for something that is clearly trying to break into the creator/artist space, you should compare that to something already in the space.
Obviously Wacom stuff is way more expensive, but you could 100% make a video about WHY it's so expensive and... is it really worth it?
Listen. Even at its listed $1500, how can you compare it to an iPad? This one is an actual PC and can be used as an external display for *anything* (where as the ipad is limited to just Apple devices with Airplay) and, i would argue it has a far more powerful APU in it that can run games (while ipad can only run mobile 'iphone/ipad games).
Sorry, theirs no comparison here.
I'm *suuuper* tempted to pick one of these up, but im curious how well Linux runs on it, and if it retains all the features.
I'm BEGGING for a 2-in-1 form factor like this to come back with a keyboard WITH A HINGE. Something I can actually use on my lap in a car. Cover & kickstand designs become useless without a solid-surface to work on.
They better support something like the Lamy stylus or other 3rd party styluses (if they have wacom tech inside)
100 bucks for a stylus like this is just a big nope
Finally, a laptop that support HDMI in since 2013 Alienware 17
Too bad it's a china brand
When traveling, it would be great to turn my tablet I take with me into a second display at the hotel or where I am working. But Windows for a tablet always sucks, even if it can play games. I want my big iPad Pro to be a second screen for a Windows laptop because I know the device is excellent for battery and display tech. And this isn't either, especially for that price in a market dominated by the low-cost Steam Deck.
So no coverage of the snapdragon Windows products but you upload this shit. What are you guys DOING?????
I read the title and expected it to be like 3cm thick. this is still thin, just not absurdly thin. if they'd made it 3-5mm thicker the battery could have been WAY bigger.