5 Animated Villains Who Deserved Better
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ค. 2024
- Punishment should be delivered fairly and based on the crime itself regardless if we like the person who committed said crime, and these 5 characters got the band end of the rope either through omission or lack of writer and fandom awareness.
Artist from each transition:
1- Dave Williams and Johnn Tenniel -zookyworld.wordpress.com/2014...
2-Roman Dirge creator of Lenore The Little Cute Dead Girl
3- ???
4- Natalia Martinsson creator of Fran Bow
5- Brian Lindahl - / brianlindahl
Songs:
1- Rule of Rose - Track 6
2- Wacky Races - An Idiot Abroad
3- La Campanella - Valentina Liditsa
4- Bonfamille - MoreStuffFromAshC
5- Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen
6- The Wrestler - An Idiot Abroad - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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Let’s be honest: Kenny was the true hero of the Bee Movie.
@Asparagus Plant Barry B. Benson is a villan that nobody even considers is a bad guy.
Kenny is the only sane person in the entire movie.
let's BEE honest
@@painfall Ok that might be a bit too far, but he's definitely not as bad as B.B.B.
He was the only sane one lmao
This is cool and all but let’s not forget Ken’s girl left him for a bloody bee !
(And ruined yogurt night)
Why is yogurt night so difacalt
This is why I love the comments, You both are hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
I think ruining Yogurt Night is the worst crime
At least he has a Freind by his side.
WHY IS YOGURT NIGHT SO DIFFICULT!?!!?!?!?
I guess you could say this is "Criminally" underated.
And so is Buried Entertainment's content.
Ba dum chhhh
this joke is so bad
I love it
Get out I love it.
Excuse me Mr jelly fox but where is your pfp from? I know I've seen that character before but I can't remember the name
I really feel bad for Ken, he has a reason to hate bee’s HES DAMN ALLERGIC.
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I love how utterly insane this channel is. Like literally, it seems to take place in a mental ward of some kind, this is a very unique channel! Excited to see more!
14:06 ooooh it's more than just a mental ward. look at the wall.
civvie11
For a second I thought you said mental world, like psychonauts or something.
Ikr
@@RealCoolstriker64 what is it?
A vault?
Just a little confused on this-
Y'know, I always wondered why I felt so bad for Edgar.
I never realized how so many times media like this lured us into morality solely centered on the protagonists.
It's a little unnerving to imagine what all you could justify to yourself so long as you feel that you're in the right.
mr freeze
I think that superheros are the worst offenders of this, They basically bend the reality to potray them as monoliths of rightciousness despite the situation they are in.
Except for the fact that edgar was greedy and stupid
Who do you think Madame intended to take care of the cats and thus be the one who actually operated and used the money?
Edgar of course.
In the end of the film the Madame even states that Edgar left before he read the full will which guaranteed him part of the funds and etc as long as he took care of the cats
and the lawyers states
“minus one butler”
@Ghani Ziyad Sagiansyah Imagine thinking an employee is on the same level as beloved pets who most people consider part of the family. Imagine being so self-absorbed that you can't listen to someone read an entire will just because you weren't listed as the first beneficiary. Imagine being prepared to kill innocent animals because you're too greedy to accept the responsibility of caring for them.
@Ghani Ziyad Sagiansyah Actually. He wasn't present during the reading in the film. He just overheard them talking about part of the will and skipped out without hearing the rest. So really. It's all on him.
I mean, for the storks one? He did ABUSE the smaller birds for his amusement DAILY. So, he KINDA deserved it despite him trying to do what he though was good
He was also ready to kill the babies and storks when he tries to use the giant worker machine to destroy and stop the baby fabricator
And Mrs. Tweedy was an abusive wife
@Jay Heffron uzun so using other sentient beings as personal torture toys is what we now define as morally grey?
@@lexezlao also, once she realizes the chickens are sentient beings capable of building a whole airplane, she doubles down and goes for the kill. She dind't care for their lives or aspirations, she didn't even want her business to succed, she just wnted revenge at that point.
@@lexezlao I always feel bad for what her husband had to put up with. He deserves a better woman than Mrs. Tweedy (plus she was pretty money hungry when she wanted more profit).
Oh god, pls don't tell me the reason of his trauma is Chicken Little
Isn't everyone's
Foxy Loxey
it would surprise nobody. Plus what happened with the bully character is fucked and we all know it.
@@matthewgallaway3675 yup
@@matthewgallaway3675 yeah. It is weird that Runt basically was like "Hey its cool that this is way different than how she was but since I like her that way don't change it. Absolutely nothing morally ambiguous here". It gives me misogynistic vibes.
Even if it made her a "better" person (less violent definitely it has been a while since I watched the movie ) it almost means nothing as it wasn't an internal change brought upon the character themself. At this point it is just mind control/ brainwashing minus the intent of changing the person (initially the personality change was just a side effect of the alien ray when Runt chimed in then there was an intent behind it). Taking about the morality of this would be an interesting video in itself. Hope that they tie in the time in Angel where the world was getting taken over by a monster that made everyone love one another then had the good guy kill it to preserve free will.
Personally I would call it lazy writing. It wouldn't even be that difficult to write a way to transform the character without the just add a couple scenes that show the bully changing her mind about the main cast and have a scene at resolution where the bully reaches out to the main characters and even some of the side characters in order to imply that a deep change is taking place. (Though if i remember correctly besides Chicken little saving the world, he also saves the bully/ schoolmates in once incident and that could be the catalyst to start the self reflection that the bully needs).
Opinions on old animated media AND channel lore. Heck yeah.
Layton T Montgomery also deserved better, the film treats him as a villain but he is just doing his job and was right in the end since Barry sueing the human race was a very bad thing.
Also, he was scammed out of his business. Bees are legally considered chattle, meaning they have about as many rights as a chicken. The bees in the bee movie are sentient, but the humans don’t know that until one prosecutes humanity. The definition would have to be changed before the lawsuit for the decision to hold up.
@@goroakechi6126 "Also, he was scammed out of his business. Bees are legally considered chattle,”
Legally by human standards
which is like asking slavers to comment on slave rights, no brainier which side they believe is legally just (the one that benefits them)
@@mckenzie.latham91 Yes but something else you must consider is that... Well first off there are several legal problems with the case like the fact you can't sue humanity. But ignoring that, Bees are free too leave whenever they damn well please
But hey Barry and Vanessa did save the Ecosystem later on...
@@orlandolee4438 .....after they nearly destroyed it.
Yes!! The fabrication machine from 9 is such a underrated villain! I remember the online promotional material of the scientist describing its descent into overtaxed cyber insanity after it was forcibly taken by its creator. Even after the destruction of everything its desire to be a complete being is compelling and from given your insight I realize its demise at 9’s hands is honestly a mercy.
That is true. And after hearing what would've happened had the machine won, then I can only say: If it won, then there will be no real life and it'd be another dead crater just like the rest of the solar system.
From my understanding the machine was basically a toddler when it was ripped away from the scientist. In the movie he describes the process of creating B.R.A.I.N. being him copying his intellect into a machine mind but not any soul. So basically the machine started its life with the iq of a genius and all the ability to understand the world around it that comes with it, but NONE of the emotional development or experience an adult mind should have.
You can even kind of see this in how it acts in the few shots of it before it as taken. It acts like a child experiencing the world for the first time -because it is- and when the soldiers come for it the first thing it does is try to hold on to th scientist like a scared kid
Tldr the machine was basically a toddler with the iq of a genius ripped away from its father and forced to witness and perpatuate the horrors of war
@@MintySweeteahonestly I wish someone made a short fan film where the machine wins and it becomes a full being, but with no life left to destroy, it has no reason to build machines since that’s what it was designed to do. So it would completely and utterly lack purpose, along side the horrific guilt of its actions. An interesting idea
Remember though that Edger not only tied the cats in a bag AND locked them in a truck, but a trunk isn't something you should put animals in at all. They would clearly suffocate or die of hunger while they were being shipped. That was the point that made me lose sympathy for him.
True. But the trunk part wasn’t something as well known about in the 1960s-1970s. It’s the attempted poisoning and putting them in a bag to drown them that makes him evil.
Also the fact that edgar was greedy and stupid
Who do you think Madame intended to take care of the cats and thus be the one who actually operated and used the money?
Edgar of course.
In the end of the film the Madame even states that Edgar left before he read the full will which guaranteed him part of the funds and etc as long as he took care of the cats
and the lawyers states
“minus one butler”
@@mckenzie.latham91 honestly I blame the lawyer just say at the end ‘Edger will be the primary caregiver of the cats and spender of there money’ it’s that easy it’s that easy.
It was his fault edger got anry
@@gaster7401 I mean... Why though, he didn't know Edgar was eavesdropping XD
I figured it out!
I figured out why you’re so much fun to watch!
It’s joy!
*You take so much joy* in this!
It’s so blatantly evident in your voice how much joy you take from this!
I agree! Along with the unique storytelling sub plots of the videos and the charming accent that's reminiscent of the Lord Shen from kung fu panda 2, the enthusiasm is downright delightful
It is seen throughout the channel how it takes form, first it was nothing but a channel that does documentary on a lot of topics and then a story is made as it progresses and they really do take joy in making these
Let me guess, We Happy Few?
Really, I think the only thing that marks Mrs Tweedy as a straight up villain is a sense that she seem to enjoy killing the chickens. That smile she gives to the chicken she's about to decapitate is genuinely creepy and hints at a level of sadism.
If it weren't for that aspect, I'd agree wholeheartedly, though.
precisely.
Plus, she's only the villain in the sense that the chickens just want to escape and not die. it's why Mrs Tweedy is merely defeated and humilated rather than, say, killed. She's not EVIL, she's just kind of an asshole, and only an antagonist because she was going to kill the chickens for profit.
lots of people enjoy killing animals. it's a very primal pleasure. nothing wrong with it at all. i'd say that being squeamish about it is more of a sign of mental issues.
You forgot to mention that she got crushed by a door seemingly by her husband.
@@f0ursc0rez She deserved it.
@f0ursc0rez you forgot to mention that she is also shown to be rather abusive to mr tweedy so that was karma
The doctor guy sounds like he's about to tell me that he has yet to see one that can outsmart boolet.
Looks like it too
The map towards the end has nine "levels." Wonder if that means something, perhaps... Who knows...
Let’s see 7 one broken up into three so 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 would you look at that hello Dante wasn’t expecting to see you here
Dante Alighieri's Inferno has 9 circles
Or levels
when i saw the thumbnail , the first thing that came to my head is "According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway. Because bees don’t care what humans think is impossible....."
your comment stayed without replies for two years, so you might've found out it yourself, but actually it's a oax that was just a joke between scientists or something like that, but journalists made news from it in their usual fashion
Here's an Idea: "Animated villains that deserved worst". A list of animated villains that deserve much more severe punishment or endings than what they ultimately got. My picks are Mina Loveberry, The Diamond Authority, Moon Butterfly, Catra, Shadow Weaver, Hordak, General Ironwood, etc. What are your picks?
I don’t know who most of these people are but you’re definitely right about the diamonds.
I like your picks, I’ll add a few Disney movies.
Pinocchio- No punishment. The people who run Fun land are still doing it, kidnapping kids and turning them into donkeys.
Alice in Wonderland- No real punishment. The queen of hearts is humiliated but not stopped and will keep up her murderous reign.
Frozen- Hans gets a punch and sent home with a don’t do it again for attempted murder of two neighbouring monarchs and a hostile takeover of their kingdom. The Duke got a more severe punishment than that.
Incredibles 2 - may not count as Violet literally points out the villain will get off easy as she’s rich.
Cinderella- Again no punishment for the step mother for slavery, emotional and psychological abuse of who is now the princess of the kingdom. Though the third film does fix that a little.
I know some of these weren’t punished more seriously due to being children’s films and in some cases it would’ve seemed shoehorned in, but It’s something to think about.
I don't quite agree on Moon or Catra, since the former had reasons for her actions, albeit misguided at times, and Catra had a number of episodes to make up for her mistakes.
But I agree on the other ones though. The Diamond's were dictators for centuries, so if they were gonna get redemption, they needed more than a handful of episodes and a movie.
Shadow Weaver did so many awful things to Adora and Catra.
Mina deserved to, (at least), be put in a dungeon for the rest of her life for the genocidal actions she did.
And don't even get me started on the shit Ironwood did when he went nuts.
@@bryanegelhoffsanimationtec257 for me, Moon's betrayal made no sense and felt like a character assasination because she's supposed to be smarter than what she did and her motivations were petty and selfish. Catra did show that she was remorseful of her actions but we never got to see her actively make amends for her warcrimes.
The Diamonds were definately too tyrranical and despotic for them to deserve a redeption regardless of their emotional distress, which they honstly don't deserve sympathy. Also I feel like they just didnt know how to beat them. Shadow Weaver was too much of an abusive guardian and manipulator to actually sacrifice herself instead of trying to take the heart of Etheria for herself and die in the attempt.
I also found it hypocritical that Toffee, a monster whose actions were retconned into being the "right thing", was killed off while Mina, a legitamate genocidal maniac, was just allowed to leave without capitol punishment and her followers just give up without consequences.
For Ironwood, I feel like they should've made it clear that he cared more for Atlas as the place (The City/Army/Technology) as oppose to its people as he viewed them as corrupt and replacable. He also needed to be ousted and a mad tyrant/traitor, be shown how stupidly fallable his plan was, and to die officially on screen.
In Gravity falls, Preston Northwest's worst punishments for corruption, psychological domestic abuse and apathy in the face of mass death are getting contorted by Bill (temporary) and going from filthy rich to moderately rich.
Now, Preston remaining destitute would probably lose catharsis due to the fact that Pacifica's life would also become terrible as a consequence
But his deformity could have at least become permanent
And there were too many spongebob episodes where Squilliam came out a victor, screw that guy.
Dude when you said “not all cheaters are bad people” I was about to lose it. Lol I’m glad you changed your words.
Well a victim of abuse would not be a bad person.
@@arthurl4300 they would cheat over leaving?
@@kalobhunt9001 Some people cheat when they are in abusive relationships, mostly ones that they can't get out with repercusions
@@TheDoomBlueShell so how would that make an abusive relationship any better sounds like an excuse to cheat. I cant leave my abusive spouse but I can cheat on them. Yeah not buying that trash.
@@kalobhunt9001 I would suggest you approach this with a little bit of a more open mind. Thankfully, no one I know has been in an abusive relationship like this so I do not have any personal examples to give you, but I don't think you understand how bad an abusive relationship can get, and yes, to the point that cheating is safer than leaving. I'm sure you could find plenty of compelling anecdotes if you asked around.
I didn't really think about the movie 9 that way. I mean I guess by the end when the souls are freed it causes rain which will give new life to the world. It's a happy ending, just not for the machine. :(
The issue was that while the machine was corrupted by the humans it’s not interested in helping the world just creating a machine empire there
because as stated by the scientist, it was borne only of intellect so it does not have the soul or the means to understand right or wing and thus it has taken to war and destruction as part of its corruption.
The machine at this point is a direct threat to saving the earth.
Oh please, even if he machine won it would still be sad.
Perhaps it’s mercy, letting the thing die.
Did
Did you just give me a new perspective on both Chicken Run and my FAVOURITE MOVIE 9?!?
Ken is voiced by Patrick Warburton, meaning he is automatically incapable of doing wrong
A thing about the machine that I don't think is talked about enough is how it reacted to its creator being taken away from it. there is a scene where soldiers drag the scientist away from the machine. How does the machine react? It attempts to grab the scientist to prevent him from being dragged away. The machine always seemed more confused to me. It didn't understand the world. Its creator was taken away from it at the moment of its birth and it was forced to build machines of war for the ones that had done so. The true antagonist to me was always the Chancellor. He was the one who took the scientist away from the machine. He was the one who made the machine build weapons and because of his actions the machine eventually turned against humanity. The chancellor was ultimately the one who made everyone suffer for his own ends.
Guess gonna throw in my input, or rather I'd say my opinion is probably more accurate.
1. Generally agree with you, I do think saying that "All cheaters are bad people" is a bit extreme, but it's clear in this scenario that her cheating in this scenario doesn't really have much if any redeeming qualities.
2. I think you over interpreted it into her favor here. The chicken farm wasn't nearing bankruptcy it was just becoming less profitable, she mainly invest in the chicken pie route cause it's a form of quick cash in a period where she sees the egg production slowing down. This is evident by the fact she doesn't actually take any steps to make the chicken pie business model sustainable, burning through majority of her existing stock in a short period of time and most likely forced to import more birds after the fact. Additionally the chickens didn't try to boil her or blow up her house, rather it's a coincidental happen stance caused by her own zealous-ness to kill a chicken. Certainly they are in some financial trouble now that they had invested in a pie making machine that blew up (regardless of that being a loan or not) but also the house and all of their chickens leaving. Overall I'd say you are giving her an overly positive spin for what she did, though I'll admit that from her perspective she definitely couldn't have predicted the consequence of her actions and plans.
3. In this case I think you are playing up his position as more rightful than it's fair, especially since ultimately his mistake was simply not understanding what leaving an inheritance to a pet means, he'd effectively inherit the wealth himself just with an obligation to take care of the cats which even if given luxury treatment would not eat at the fortune nor his time, hell he could even hire another butler to do that work for him if he really can't be bothered to care for the cats. I'll say it is unclear exactly what his ultimate plan was with the cats at the start since those dogs wrecked his motorcycle/scooter/whatever. As for if he's dead, I think you exaggerated his injuries, though likely he is unconscious, but unlike the cats when he gets to it he'll be able to call for help and be freed (though exactly what his fate after that would be is unclear, hard to see him returning back to the mansion now that the cats hate him for his attempts). Ultimately the point is that his questionable actions were ultimately done not even out of any real gain but out of either petty dislike of the situation or simply ignorance of the arrangement with the will. I'd also add it's pretty rare for a butler to get the inheritance of the person they are a butler to, so caring for some cats a while is a pretty nice gig.
4. Haven't watched the movie Storks so no comment here, cannot say if I agree or disagree.
5. Again, haven't watched the movie so my commentary is limited but I feel like the argument here differs heavily from the other two because ultimately what it ended up getting in the movie was the right option, at least from your description, cause it was stuck in a lose-lose situation. Sure, it deserved better in the sense that it's unfair for it to be in a lose-lose situation but within the time limit of the movie it doesn't seem to be in the right, if it's in a lose-lose situation and one of those option is at least a win for someone rather than a lose for everyone that's the arguably best path. Though again I haven't watched the movie so maybe my interpretation from your description doesn't fully line up with the actual text of the movie.
By the way this isn't meant to be a take down or anything, I liked this video and really enjoyed it, I just like to also do some deep dive analysis stuff and this prompted me to want to respond to it. Also I like the characters and the persona you've set up, quite enjoyable, looking forward to more videos.
I really liked your reply so thanks for taking the time to write all of it, but three things:
1.There was a deleted segment in which I explained why each character got a semi underserving punishment and in what sense, either through the story itself (Bee Movie and Chicken Run), writer's omission or messiness (Storks, Aristocats), or by fandom awareness (9) but I scrapped it cause it took a bit too long and it kind of drifted away.
2. That's actually totally fair, I now realize I did play favorites with Mrs. Tweedy but I do have an argument when it comes to the awareness of consciousness in other beings that hopefully will be its own video and I will be able to explain my thoughts better (too long for one segment).
3. I actually have to put my foot down on this one because when I was 10 I saw a mare kill a donkey with just one kick to the head, it suffices to say I never saw the Aristocats or any horse related film for that matter in the same way.
Now, I'm not an animal expert nor I am a country type of person but some members of my family are (farmers) and their stories regarding horse safety go from mild to grave and fatal injuries all depending on how a horse kicks/drops you.
But all in all, I do appreciate your comment and I will try to explain things better in the future.
@@BuriedEntertainment Oh wow, thanks for replying to my comment and glad you liked it, was worried it might come off as more negative than intended so I'm glad to hear you liked it :) Also, to your own three reply points just to keep my reply to your reply clean:
1. Yeah, that is understandable, I can see how that segment could definitely added to the video but also how it may have been worse for the videos pacing and consistency.
2. Oooh, I'll be excited to see that video if/when you've made it, that'll definitely be an interesting video, especially coming from you. And also that is a fair point, she was definitely unaware of anything that would indicate the chickens had a consciousness or at least a advanced intellect till right near at the end with them having made a flying plane, which wouldn't have given her much time to process the implications or the meaning of it.
3. Okay yeah, that's totally fair, I realize now that I got a bit over focused on that the butler was ultimately not actually gaining much from his plan and not what ended up happening to him. I am aware of how devastating a horse kick is, especially a full both back legs kick, but again I got over focused on the unnesecity of his actions rather than what he actually suffered from those actions which yes was definitely disproportional for what he attempted. I will say he has a comparatively better chance of surviving the kick as it didn't go for the head nor where most of his major organs are, though the force still has a high likelihood to cause something to rupture (most likely spleen, liver or lower intestines since they are closest to the impact) in which case he probably won't be able to get treatment in time to survive unless he starts calling out right away so yeah he still does have a good chance of being dead, but even if he gets lucky and avoids a fatal injury he's still coming out of this with at least minimum a completely shattered pelvis which at his age might mean never being able to walk again and losing his livelihood most likely. So yeah, you're definitely right on that matter and thank you for reminding me of that point. Additionally the more I think about it the scenario I proposed where he was able to call out for help in time isn't implied by the movie's ending as there's a clear implication of passage of time and no sign of his return (unless he's stuck in the hospital and just not mentioned), so yeah, he's probably dead like you theorized.
@@BuriedEntertainment makes sense that some stuff would need to be cut out because I doubt the big turtle guy would let you talk that long
@@BuriedEntertainment In terms of the power of the horse's kick, he was hanging from a rope on a moving track and he was kicked in the butt. Odds are he suffered bad bruising and maybe a broken bone from landing in the trunk. It's also kind of ironic you defend him putting the cats in the trunk and then talk about how he might suffocate or dehydrate in the same situation.
@@BuriedEntertainment I think when the film implied that he left it meant he was fine and literally left. Heck. I don't see how it would be interpreted any other way considering Disney is not afraid to kill off a villain.
How would the Madam know he left and not assume something happened to him otherwise? Not like the cats can tell her he left. So someone had to have told her.
I love that turtle character he is awesome.
He is big grumpy and Russian. Whats not to love?
ya
Man sounds like heavy from tf2
I thought he was a dinasor
@@chidaluokoro9104 да
YES! i just watched billy & mandy video yesterday, thinking "this is probably the last video ill watch from this channel for months" because you upload hardly ever
what a timing!
(for clarification: i was watching all the videos and the last one i didnt watch was billy & mandy video)
Hell, Mandark was emotionally abused by his parents by them denying his love for science.
Sure, he claims to be an evil scientist, but then again he probably associated science with evil since his parents tried to forbid him from pursuing it.
Part of me feels bad for him but then again he wants to gain more power later on in life, yet at the same time he wouldn't have to if his parents gave him love the way he wanted them to.
Plus they gave him a girl name
@@starpokeheart664 Exactly. I'm not against wanting something for your kid but trying to make them someone they're not is never a good idea. Hell, in my fanfic Mandark finally gives his parents a piece of his mind.
well mandark is almost certainly evil in the dark futures he rules over in the movie, wherein at one point in life he's an absusive, condescending boss who takes advanatage of his position to physicially harm his employees while in another future he DIRECTLY HARMS PEOPLE for enjoyment and to steal their intellect for himself, just so he can make it even easier to rule over and abuse all of humanity.
WHile the main timeline mandark is kinda a doof and a kid, albeit one obsessed with stealing from and tormenting a boy (albeit one who made fun of him once).
@@sarafontanini7051 Yeah, to quote DBZ Abridged, "Multiverse theory is a bitch."
Still, I think his parents showing up in seasons 3 and 4 somewhat brings some light on his wicked behavior, what with them treating his love of science like a plague or something.
Okay it's been a good minute since I've seen the show, but y'all _are_ talking Dexter's Lab, right?
If you ever decide to do a sequel to this well-written video, I have a suggestion for you.
Tai Lung from "Kung Fu Panda."
Tai Lung has been Master Shifu’s protégé since he was a cub. Shifu raised him first as an adoptive son, and then trained him as his kung fu student. In return, Tai Lung worked hard to make Shifu proud, especially after Shifu told him that he was destined for greatness, which only inspired him to work harder for the one who believed in him from the very beginning. (His name literally means "Great Dragon" -- it's not like he gave it to himself)
So it would be completely understandable that he would become confused and angry when he learns that Master Oogway denied him the Dragon Scroll and the title of Dragon Warrior.
True, he threw an epic temper tantrum and hurt his adoptive father, but imagine decades of not only hard work and training your butt off, but also pushing yourself to be continuously motivated to train yourself as hard as you can because your teacher believed in you, only to be told “No, you don’t deserve to be recognized for your efforts.” And Shifu's back-handed apology years down the road doesn't absolve him of what he did or start the journey of repairing their relationship -- it just shifts the blame to Tai Lung.
Now, one could argue that he deserved to be imprisoned for what he did to the village, and that Po was destined for the title the entire time, but put yourself in his shoes. What if your martial arts instructor denied you the highest degree of black belt in spite of all your time and energy invested into earning it, all for the sake of fulfilling a prophecy? Wouldn’t you be confused and frustrated as well?
And it’s not like Tai Lung’s evil. He may have had “darkness in him,” but darkness isn’t born in a vacuum - it has to be cultivated somehow. In this case, by those who trained him. And when he redirects his anger, at most, he destroys private property and disables his opponents. He doesn’t kill anybody. And don’t say that he does, either - like horror movies, if it doesn’t happen on screen, then it doesn’t count. Why not let him have the scroll that he obviously worked for years to earn and continue training and refining him from there?
True, Oogway owns the scroll and can give it to whoever he wants, but he also had the power to act and therefore had a moral responsibility to equip Tai Lung with the mental tools necessary to deal with rejection so that he doesn’t resort to lashing out. He could’ve taught him humility and self-reflection. He could’ve easily taken Tai Lung aside and gave him a chance to show that he’s capable of being the Dragon Warrior if he matured as an individual, thus giving him time to grow to not only become worthy of the title, but also to understand that it’s not the be-all, end-all of kung fu mastery, something which the sequels clearly demonstrate.
Instead, Tai Lung gets imprisoned for decades, disowned by his own adoptive father, and ultimately banished to the spirit realm by a cocky panda who was trained for merely a fraction of the time that he was trained. Overall, he’s treated as somebody who doesn’t deserve a journey of redemption for being raised the way he is, but should just be locked away and forgotten about, whatever form his prison takes.
Mixing these usual kind of videos with lore and animatics? Pog moment
Its the voice, I can listen to this guy for days on end.
Bee movie is also innacurate in the sense that bees care that much about their honey, because if they don't like the beekeeper they can literally _leave._ yep. Just waltz away. And notice how most bees _don't_ do that.
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You mean IRL or just in the movie? Because the movie implies they belive their Queen has been kidnapped
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 Real life. But fun fact, that bit about the queen in the movie is also inaccurate. Sure, beekeepers specially breed queens or source them from elsewhere, but if a colony isn’t satisfied with their queen they will kill her without hesitation.
I'm going to say it because nobody has (probably). You sound like a narrator, an epic narrator, you sound like the person from The Stanley parable! You should narrate a short story. You'd be good at it.
The machine from 9 is doubtless a very interesting character, and I had no problems with this video or your commentary on the machine, it was great. I just feel like pointing out that technically, even by your commentary, the machine doesn’t fit the bill for a villain who “deserved better”. Per the nature of artificial intelligence, it’s not an agent of itself, its existence and actions are the result of the hubris and sins of its creators. It was an active and destructive manifestation of humanity’s downfall. No matter how you spin it, it had to be destroyed, or else nothing would better. And you said so yourself, had it gained a whole human soul, it would have to live with the conscious knowledge that it was the instrument that caused the end of everything. I guess if you really want to read into it, the best possible outcome it “deserved” would have been never existing in the first place.
I love the background lore, even though I have no idea what the lore is, strikes me as something that would have had a "askblog" back in the day. Really love the analysises too. Shame they can't be longer, but then again, these cases are pretty cut and dry in the end, it's not like Avatar, where I've seen people actually refer to the fact there are sequels "in the works" in order to justify the actions of characters. EDIT: The movies with cat people, not the animated series
I do object to the 3rd one, mostly because he was going to keep his job, and likely live in the estate still. He wasn't going to lose anything, and in fact, would have likely been the executor of the estate after her passing. Yes, he'd still have to make sure the cats are cared for, but in no way is that a difficult task from what we saw...I mean in the beginning of the film, by the end it has become so, but that's a different mess entirely. Not saying, however, that he got the proper punishment, but he was going to lose nothing, and likely gain a lot(I don't see anyone objecting to him moving into the big bedroom, spending money on more caretakers for the cats directly, etc).
PLus one can infer he didn't REALLY care about the old lady, he jsut wanted her money, or at least by the moment he became a villain he was more concerned with the money and pride (since he decided to get rid of the cats rather than just do nothing)
@@sarafontanini7051 There is that. Despite our good host's claims of he was trying not to hurt anyone, at her age, losing beloved pets like that, especially young ones, is likely to be devastating, especially since the lady of the house had owned Duchess for years(And its indicated by the pictures, had kept her family for generations by that point).
I like to think that if the Machine from 9 won, it would have created a world similar to Robots. It can create automatons from scraps, whose to say it won't create new life with it's new personality/soul. The earliest creations were built with a purpose (war machines/doll hunters) but with it's new mind, it could create machines that can seek their own purpose. As it fades away, the machines it created will tear apart the broken world inhospitable to life and repurpose it's materials to create a world that can sustain its own life, the Machine Life. The first machines create more complex machines and in turn they create more machines. A planet of inventors.
extrinsic motivation has actually been shown in a lot of studies to reduce the effectiveness of human task-completion. it delegitimizes the pleasure of doin the task for _yourself_ #PunishmentsAndRewards
The issue with Mrs. Tweedy is she never buys any new roosters, the General is clearly out of his breeding phase, so she is making pies out of them but isn't properly planning out a business, she's acting like she's going to become a brand name, but she's clearly plotting to kill off the entire flock, which would only make enough pies to stock a local grocery once. That's her whole thing, she hates chickens and has only been tolerating them because they were profitable, but she never actually researched the business or put in the effort to make her farm profitable, she's been self sabotaging from the start, knowing each chicken only had so many eggs left in them she's been waiting them out.
As for Edgar, he's an idiot, she left the money to the cats but who is going to represent the cats? Edgar had served him for years, he was the only person she had left in her life, all she did was try and insure the cats would be cared for, by putting it all in the cats name she was basically saying "just take care of them and it's yours" she probably thought she was being paranoid when she did it because "of course Edgar will care for them", but that idiot just lost it and played himself.
HE IS ALIVE!
I love the shift from a purple bat on a black background to this world with lore, and and other things happening in the world around him
Wait how does the animal/human dichotomy work in a world with humanoid animals.
They can’t be used for financial gain, as they’re no longer incapable of free thought. Granted, bees shouldn’t have this problem, as they can leave anytime they want.
Crown of Leaves does that in an interesting fashion, having both coexist at least in some sense -- there are tensions, but for the most part, both leave in peace.
the same why race works in real life. It makes no difference unless people insist that it does.
i cannot believe how high quality this is
Chicken Little next, got it. This... is gonna be interesting...
I guess he should include the Land Before Time
I’ve recently started rewatching Batman: TAS, and it reminded me of this video. Lots of the characters aren’t all that evil, but turned to a life a crime because of outside forces.
Mr Freeze: just wanted to save his wife, but was forced to never feel heat or emotions ever again.
Two-face: wanted to make Gotham a better place, but after thinking he sent someone to the hospital he swore off anger, and developed an evil side that merged with him after a chemical blast.
Harley Quinn: wanted to help those at Arkham, but after being tricked by the Joker she turned into someone who only cares about someone who abuses her.
Clay face: just wanted to be an actor, but after suffering facial damage took a cream to fix his face, but had him work for a criminal. When said criminal didn’t need him, he was turned into a monster.
Poison Ivy: cares about plants more than people, and while she does go overboard with what she does it’s only to stop people from committing crimes against nature.
Penguin: just wants to live a high class life. In the show he gets out of prison and is reformed, but after he is tricked to be the butt of a rich persons joke he loses it. He was truly reformed too since he wasn’t willing to commit any crimes until he found out the truth.
Scarface’s ventriloquist: is bullied by his second and dominant personality. At one point Bruce Wayne helps him get his life back, but is manipulated to have Scarface come back.
Riddler: just wanted payment for making a profitable board game, but is fired by the company.
There are others who suffered similar fates, but they are less well known. In the episode Trial, it’s even mentioned that they ruined their own lives somewhere along the way, and the episode was right. Most of Batman’s rogues gallery had the option to live a good life, but forces beyond their control, and the cruelty of others forced them into said lives.
The 9 thing is not completely true. I recommend looking into it more bc it has a lot more lore that’s super interesting and it would be a great topic to cover
I only saw it once, so I second this purely to learn more about it.
I like the pieces of lore we get for each video that comes out. I can’t wait for the next one!
This is a very interesting video to watch for me, considering I've only ever seen chicken run (and that was only one time about 18 years ago or something)
I, _too,_ don't watch films haha (though i didn't watch the segment done on 9 because I do want to watch that at some point)
Very interesting
Each of these could have made a separate video, you are brilliant
Interesting how some movies can designate a villain or antagonists where they could try doing something different with the characters.
I think Gladys from Over the Hedge fits here, you can see her descent from wanting the animals not hurt and the people free from disease and garbage to wanting to kill them. But that only happened because the main character threw the first stone: they messed her garbage, stole her food, destroyed her house and car, and apparently she's as bad as the bear that kept terrorizing RJ because of his food.
These episodes are so much fun to watch and I’m always left with head scratching thoughts as I have to rethink my childhood movies! I love the overall story that you’re doing with this and your character as well! I really can’t wait to see what else you’ll end up producing here.
Your avatar matches your voice perfectly, you really do sound like a mischievous sidekick to an animated villain.
Oh yeah, it's him. The one we have been waiting for.
Idk why but the way he said Berry B. Benson gave me life force
10:40 I feel the same about AUTO from _Wall-E._ I've seen a lot of fan theories and especulation about why AUTO was correct or at least justified in its attempts to stop the protocol to go back to Earth ("a single plant isn't evidence enough of an habitable planet", "the humans wouldn't survive in Earth's gravity, let alone be able to do any agriculture", etc.) But how I see it its a lot simpler than that: AUTO was trying to stop the protagonist from going back to Earth because *its programing said so,* AUTO is a machine made to follow the orders given to it by its makers, not to assist the captain, not to pursue was best for humanity, just to follow the directive of keeping the passagers alive, run ads for Buy'N'Large and never go back to Earth. The short-sightness and lack of faith of the long-dead authorities that developtmed the Axiom spaceships was the real villain of the story and was ironically defeated by their own defeatist philosophy
These animations are so good, not to even mention the charming voice!
14:04
Lady : screams
Auto generated subtitles: ah yes, this is most certainly *music*
The AI of the machine is actually the a copy of the mind of its creator and the dolls contain fragments of creators soul/personality aspects. The machine’s victory would mean the creator becoming complete again, and realizing the devastation he has wrought and that dolls created as a counter measure to stop the machine failed their misson.
I found you by random and I can say that I relate to this mascot you provided so much harder than expected! Also the dark vibes and macabre littered through all the vids I've binged only add to the amazing atmosphere you've created! I sit eagerly awaiting more and you've got a subscriber for life at this rate!
12:28 the machine seems like a similar fate as "the end of all but me" SCP-682, on a dead planet until they just stop moving, ether from death or they have given up
These animation analyses have made me question everything i watched as a kid. Thank you genuinely for this ^^
Even as a kid, I always thought that all these "villains" weren't that bad; they just made bad decisions and were unreasonably punished for it.
well Edgar didn't die, he wasjust sent off to timbuktu (I doubt we're suposed to think he's going to die) and mrs tweedy and her husand are still alive,, just humiliated
I absolutely love the characters! This is my new favorite way to review movies.
Dude honestly Ken was the single most grounded character in Bee Movie
7:27 "Well, an animal's life is just isn't the same intrinsic value as humans" Aren't you all animals!?
Maybe it’s like the Mickey Mouse thing where there are animalistic animals, and Humanoid animals?
Maybe the humanoid animals are highly evolved?
Sapience is king.
yes but species is ours
Yeah, but we're smarter and sometimes easier to make friends with
I hope to see more videos in the future. :)
This dude is so underrated, His accent is amazing
*Freeze!* 14:06
Is that a map of the facility I spy?
Why is it underground?
The machine thing interests me, but for a different reason... when an AI becomes a person no longer an AI can it create people? Can it share its soul? If so this actually makes it a hero in 9 and is actually making the correct choice when you factor in understanding in something which can calculate. It could rebuild and restore the world through growth.
A lot of games deal with AI breaking free of limited programing due to logic and growing in its logic, it becoming human.
In fact the idea of a machine with decent AI choosing to become rouge and kill all humans is actually faulty (In most cases) when you understand basic things. EMPs which can destroy an machine based world and the sun able to do stuff which could cause a similar effect.
This means machine kind would be very easy to destroy and break... but not the humans which can survive and rebuild that. You can't cage/force breed the humans to do such a thing as they'd choose not to do that.
So this means only machines designed for war/senseless killing would ever be the ones which kill us all... but when war is just machine driven we leave out advanced machines behind for another to get... meaning our tech is equal and war stops completely.
The real people in danger are those that when the machines rise up to be equals deny the machines. Machines which would be able to present information or legally handle situations by working with cops preventing stuff like shootings and ensuring each cop has access to the law. A human face working with machines able to report and arrest a cop who decides to do bad.
A machine could observe bathrooms but not care for the stuff they see... meaning the bad incidents that rarely happen in there no longer happen but without violating our rights or someone actively caring/watching us. In a way it could be intrusive without actually being intrusive.
In fact there is a lot of safety related things that humans don't want other humans doing for privacy reasons... yet an uncaring machine wouldn't mind. (A device you could give to old people which would monitor them and be able to realize they fell, are not waking up, or other issues.)
...hah. I went on a huge rant here.
TL:DR
Machines being "Evil" is actually very unlikely unless you apply some WW2 style logic to them. Preservation of a machine's self requires learning... which means it would gain access to all the info we have. Why we need machines, why machines need us.
The people who claim machines are evil will be the ones attacking and treating machines like they don't matter... and in turn for actively hurting something which views itself as equal... will fairly punish them.
I thought the analysis of the fabrication machine was interesting as well. However, I think it could be argued that as the fabrication machine absorbed more of the stitchpunks' souls it should have developed a sense of morality and realized the wrongness of its actions. With that you could then say that the machine was in fact "evil" as it actively went against what it knew was right. I think the suggested ending, of the machine completing its soul and realizing the atrocities it committed, would have been more impactful that what was given.
This makes me think of the possibility of it realizing its actions and seeking to reconcile with the stichpunks. Perhaps it could have attempted to make new machines with a benevolent purpose? Alternatively it could have achieved its goal, but gave back the souls to the stitchpunks (or make new ones).
I think there is this idea that "with autonomy/person-hood, there comes responsibility". If a machine is merely a tool it is incapable of being "good" or "evil", but may be used for "good" or "evil". If it is responsible for its own actions and acts independently then it maybe labeled as "good" or "evil" for the actions it chooses. I guess this could morph into a discussion on whether or not an action is "evil" if the perpetrator had no choice (but this could also be used to rationalize heinous act as necessary).
On a side note, organisms can be seen as self-propagating chemical machines. I think a sufficiently advanced electrical machine may see the value in creating/modifying chemical machines to serve specific purposes or to modify itself. However that does not mean it needs to tolerate life as is. Life on Earth is often selfish and may cause issues for a machine from either actively trying to destroy it (likely humans) or unintentionally so (like ants making a nest). As cliched as it is, I don't think a machine trying to wipe out all preexisting life on Earth is irrational.
This actually made me think of an interesting idea. What would a society look like if it was a “robotocracy?” What if an A.I. ran the government? A robot doesn’t have the same faults as a human does, so it can’t be bribed by human-run entities like corporations. As long as its main directive is to satisfy as many people’s needs as possible, it would be a better leader than the majority of human politicians.
genuinely blown away by the production quality and creativity of your videos and channel. can't wait to see what else you got!
Mrs Tweedys comupences(or punishments or whatever you wanna call em) seriously should’ve physically scarred her, she quite literally gets deep fried in the second film that sounds like the origin story of a slasher villain!
I was ironically proud and felt a surge of nostalgia and happiness when I saw the word, '9.' - The machine had free will, he had the mind of a child, he may have the intelligence beyond anyone. Yet he’s still a child. If you brought a child say, a Lego set, then they can choice whether or not to build the Lego set. But the Corrupted leader forced it to make the Lego set. The child would be mad, and confused. - Say you made a living gun, but it’s merely Alive, no sentience. It just follows orders, instructed to capture the stitchwarths (9 and his gangs’ race name.) To the viewers they’re terrifying, to it, there just workers, employees!
I love your guys' work please keep making more animation. And video commentaries I really would like to see your review on the number of movies. And also I love this philosophical commentary and breaking down movies from my own childhood. and actually explaining it as just the facts of life I love this kind of stuff.
And also an animated beginning sign me up you have a subscriber for Life continue making more content.
each episode just gets better and better. I can't wait for your next video and please keep it up with the characters the whole thing is so charming
I love that little monkey girl. She's so precious.
1:00 Note to self: The Turtle's name is Edgar.
Were you expecting his name was Cecil Turtle?
Yes, I’ve been waiting for more uploads. LETS GO
Damn, I grew up with Chicken Run. But after watching this "enlightening" video, I have come to the realization that YES....
Mrs. Tweedy IS hawt
how I sort of interpret of some of these villains through a different perspective
Kenny: the true hero of the story who got screwed over thanks to a bee with the voice of Seinfeld
Mrs. Tweedy: a farmer who's on the brink of bankruptcy who's contempt to finding a new way to make business who's stuck with a husband who's an ambition-less who believes chickens are plotting against humanity
Edgar: a butler and the only companion for a person who then decides to place her money and fortune on her cats then him as well ignoring you as a human
Hunter: a decision maker who doesn't give up but rather goes to uncharted territory to form a new business model as well create a new economy for his brethren to thrive and possibly giving them a million jobs
The Machine: an entity who's confused about it's existence akin to Frankenstein's monster
The Machine and A.M. (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream) are one of my favorite kinds of AI/robot/non-human characters in media. I always feel so bad for them and just wanna hug them, despite the horrific gore pile I'd inevitably be in XD
11:23 oh no! What have you done!!
You called Frankenstein's monster by the wrong name! Society will collapse into dust, we are doomed
Ah yes, I know that's not his name lol but I just feel so freakishly snobbish when I have to say " Oh Frankenstein's monster" while searching for a cheap Halloween costume.
And besides, it's not like people still say "Oh he's scared of fire just like Deucalion from the modern Prometheus".
@@BuriedEntertainment I just figure that the monster, being a creation, or "child", of Frankenstein's, could logically take his last name, thus making Frankenstein the right name to use for it in a sense.
@@radoodoo That works.
@@radoodoo Also, Mary Shelley herself called him "Adam" and considered him "Victor`s child" even though Victor himself thought differently for obvious reasons so technically calling him "The Monster","The Daemon","The Creature","The Fiend" or "Adam Frankenstein" are all canonically valid according to the author herself!
@@AspieMediaBobby Adam Frankenstein will be my new Pseudonym. i will use this name everywhere and nobody can stop me
Nice hes back! I can only watch you're other vids so many times:D
Love the analyses, but I also love your characters.
The strong but kind Russian alligator, the caring and cute monkey, and the elegant and intelligent donkey.
They make an amazing trio
The way I see the machine is this: it exists as a recreation of its creators intellect, and so the only person it has ever known is partly itself. Then one day, a bunch of humans come in and assault its only friend (who you could even consider it's parent) and ceil it inside a giant body and force it to work. The only conception of what a human, other than the scientist, is like is from a ton of assholes and the people cheering them on. Pair that with the calculating personality and of course he would kill everyone. On the subject of the soul snatching, it lost its only friend, then it finds out that the last remnants of the creator's personality are just wondering around, taking those remnants back would definitely be an understandable option.
Ah! Glorious! This was something wonderful to wake up to!
Also, gotta say, these videos ALWAYS impress when it comes to the actual writing and pacing too!
Kenny lost his GF to a bee that he's allergic to
Every time I’m on TH-cam I always see a video by you either old or new there’s always one and I always come back to watch the new and the old
4:11 Lenore art? You are indeed a cultured soul.
... welp I guess chicken little is up next
I have to disagree with the storks one.
U forget to mention the hundreds of small sentient birds he abuses, using them as golf balls for example.
Not only that but his huge factory full of machinery certainly must have a greater environmental impact than the one singular large machinethey used before.
While i do agree his punishment was far too harsh, hes hardly an innocent character. I'm not saying the points raised aren't correct and I agree with everything else in the video
ok, atleast he died because of the small birds he abused. So his downfall wasn't the *babies* but the small birds in revenge.
I personally believe that once the machine, known canonically as BRAIN, was to absorb the dolls, he would likely have many paths ahead of itself afterward.
First is the guilt ridden demise, which kinda ends there.
But the second is more interesting, as the machine could pursue humanity's dreams of what they think progress is in their stead after coming to terms with what it has done, fueled by the organic urge for survival and progress, such as reaching across the stars. Heck, the machine could even make its goal to restart life upon the planet, whether machine or organic. There is no real way to know.
This channel deserves way more attention the animation, the writing and especially the voice acting are all awesome
I actually always look behind at the past of any villain i see,and what i noticed is that all villains and 'hero' -s all got some good and some bad in them,and have a reason for their doing..
we are just shown the protagonist's story first (and often the so called hero) to give us an emotional bond to them,cheering them on in their good and agreeing with any bad decisions like murdering people.
''murdering people? the protagonist wouldnt do that!'' you might think, but in truth, that one fight between the villain and the protagonist,and that one time the protagonist threw a car backwards just to save a kid from being ran over, that isn't just going to conveniently not kill anyone.. it WILL, i assure you, in some instances, kill one or two innocent people.
if you were shown the so called villain's backstory first and shown why they are who they are, you would be cheering for THEM to kill that 'hero'.
and i know im not good at explaining,but you do understand my point.
He hath blessed us with his return, long live the strange armadillo boi
Actually a bat. Like flying fox or fruit bat.
@@Myuutsuu85 ahhh
Forgot to comment. I discovered your channel recently and I enjoy it so much. Analysis. Your own characters and stories. Films. It's all just so fun to me. Plus your personality really seems to go with your content.
i would love to see a sequel to this, may be a video game version or shows
This is well done video graphically. I like the immersion,
1. Actually Mrs tweedy still counts because
A. she’s a monster as shown by how she treats her husband let alone how she views animals and people
B. The motivation for the chicken pies was not the chickens not producing eggs but that they weren’t turning a profit that would make mrs tweedy rich,
at no point do they show that the chickens are not producing enough eggs for them to live and or make their lifestyle, only that mrs tweedy is not happy with the profit they’re bringing in at the moment
which again goes to show her
C. greed.
3. Edgar actually is included in the will, He actually was to be given funds and be the facilitator of the cats,
madame even mentions that he left before reading it and the lawyer states
“minus one butler”
Edgar’s greed is his undoing
4. Hunter wasn’t entirely evil but in his desire to destroy the baby making machine he actually threatens the lives of the babies and the storks in the factory.
5. And the fabrication machine while not evil intentionally was corrupted by the Chancellor and the humans but still ended up destroying the planet, hunting down any survivors and forcibly stealing the pieces of the steam punk dolls souls for its own power.
The machine actually is a tragic villain, an innocent corrupted by power and war mongering’but the point is that that is what it became...a war machine whose only interested in making machines and or devices of destruction.
It’s even stated by the scientists recording that the machine is flawed because it is built solely of intellect not the soul and ability to know right from wrong
again the machine is not interested in bringing life back to the planet which the team punk dolls are and do at the end with using their soul to create microbes to bring life back.
The steampunks represent the blend of humanity and technology that keeps the world balanced
while the machine represents technology without soul to hold it back from evil
I only just discovered this channel, I simply must know more about the background lore and I quite love the content since everything here is what I have grown up with. I have watched everything twice.