Really enjoy your simulations. Especially how you show the aircraft flying the way it should have at the end of your simulation. Great job. Keep up the great work. ❤
He probably posted something that tipped off the misinformation department that his channel needed to be suppressed. Maybe he told the truth about something??
I worked at YHZ (Halifax) in the 80s. Lovely airport, especially from the 70s to the 90s. I remember this day well, also the day of Swissair 111 which was hoping to land there.
Absolutely horrific! How does an entire crew not use correct calculations before take-off? Mind blowing, to say the least. Excellent video! Thank you for creating, uploading and sharing!! ✈😊
Like most aviation tragedies, there’s more to this story than meets the eye. The company employed the use of Boeing’s laptop tool and calculations were computed separately by the crew members. Read the Canadian NTSB report, yes the calculation for performance was wrong, but don’t be so quick to judge those that perished. The same issue of incorrect figures happened 2 other times with different airlines, who thankfully got away with out the loss of life.
This channel has become an absolutely first-rate production. Should have a lot more subscribers and if it continues with such quality it surely will get them.
Nearing retirement after a lifetime of flying I look back at some of the stupid things I’ve done and say to myself “There but for the grace of God go I”. Any old pilot that claims that they do not think the same are either lying or lack self awareness.
It sounds the same as saying "inshallah" . God willing we will get the plane in the air. And if we don't make it, then god did not will it. Jesus you religious jealots are something else. I am seriously considering whether to ask a pilot if he relies on his training or on god to reach the end destination next time I fly.
UNBELIEVABLE. Not a single mention of what happened to the crew. All this praise in the posts below and nobody thought to even ask what happened to the crew? Your production values are great. When the human values catch up, I'll subscribe.
This was actually significantly more complex that the video states. Using the Boeing Laptop Tool one can calculate the aircraft's performance, but also its weight and center of gravity. The problem is that the W/CoG window retains the last data put in, then pastes it onto the Performance window. What most likely happened is this: Someone performing the calculations put in the proper weight for Halifax takeoff (with the 53t added counted in), calculated it first for the de-rated takeoff (a TO with less than 100% power to reduce wear on the engines), then seeing such takeoff was not possible because the aircraft was too heavy, recalculated it for max power takeoff. And somewhere along the way that person accidentally opened the Weight/CoG window, which retained the information for Bradley takeoff. And when it was opened, the weight for Bradley was automatically copied to the Performance page without any warning to the operator.
Great Production---God, what a mistake !!!! I remember being on a KLM flight to Curacao from Amsterdam via Aruba and when we left Aruba, I noticed the slats were coming down as we were going down the runway--Could have been costly !!
I'm never sure how much to trust the cockpit crew's judgements & actions at those kinds of ungodly night hours. It might account for their almost incredible neglect in calculating the accurate weight of their cargo. And I've never flown anything more than a kite but I think if it was me, any resistance to lift at all and I would want to abort, esp. with a 24 year old aircraft. Thanks again for a wonderful production that always seems to make us feel personally involved.
MK Airlines Flight 1602 was an MK Airlines Boeing 747-200F cargo flight from Halifax Stanfield International Airport, Nova Scotia, Canada, to Zaragoza Airport, Spain. It crashed on take-off on 14 Oktober 2004, killing the crew of seven (7). It was the fourth accident for MK Airlines, as well as the deadliest. At 00:03 local time, on 14 October 2004, MK Airlines Flight 1602 took off from Windsor Locks - Bradley International Airport. The aircraft was loaded with a cargo of lawn tractors and made an intermediate stop at Halifax at 02:12 to be loaded up with approximately 53,000 kilograms (53 t; 117,000 lb) of lobsters and fish. An investigation into the crash revealed that the flight crew had used the incorrect speeds and thrust setting during the take-off attempt, with incorrect take-off data being calculated when preparing the flight (incorrect V speed calculation, as the result of the crew re-using a lighter take-off weight of 240,000 kg (530,000 lb) from the aircraft's previous take-off at Windsor Locks - Bradley International Airport, instead of the correct weight of 353,000 kg (778,000 lb). The official report blamed the company for serious non-conformance to flight and duty time with no regulations or company rules governing maximum duty periods for loadmasters and ground engineers resulting in increased potential for fatigue-induced errors.
I LOVE flying ✈ I even love watching these flight Videos, obviously not for the ghoulish aspect but the many ways things go wrong & its 9/10ths human error. I won a competition many years ago & my prize was lessons in a simulator, a proper professional one used to train pilots Plus i got 2 instructional real life flights after id passed my simulator test. On recommendation of my tutor i did take up flying! It was expensive but to me worth every penny! Once i changed jobs into a better career, i could afford more lessons.. Eventually after 5 years i got my pilots licence! Never felt so proud! Not even after my 1st class Degree at Uni! I ended as co owner of a Microlite then later my 2nd hubby Also with a pilots licence ( its how we met at the Flying Club). We bought a newer better model. I dont fly so much now im in my 70s but i still go up & i NEVER get tired of the feeling of being up there! No one can adequately describe it If i had to "go" & providing no one or nothing was hurt or destroyed id happily go out while up there! Way up high! Id be half way to heaven anyway! Lol. What a brilliant end! Peace & Good Cheer to All 🇬🇧👧
I learned something today. I always thought that the pilot always put max thrust on takeoff. I was wrong! Now I'll probably question if there's enough thrust on my next flight. 🙏
Unfortunately, IMO flight computers are being abused in a dangerous game of "electronic chicken"; where, to save fuel & some wear & tear on the engines, they input fuel, cargo, & altitude/weather data to come up with a "most efficient" take-off power setting. FYI, I've seen other air disaster videos, where even when the flight computer WAS updated, a simple transposed digit in entering data resulted in the loss of an aircraft & crew.
Pilots are so conditioned to that process that there have been other air crashes when even close to stalling and control loss stick shakers rattling alarms blaring Pilots have sometimes still not firewalled ( max thrust) the throttles and it has been established that full throttle would’ve saved the aircraft.😢
@@joeyadron1496 hundred percent. There are still a lot of pilots though that really are great. What’s called “stick and rudder” pilots other words they understand the automation, but a very competent with the hands-on basics even under stress, but there are also a lot of computer jockeys that can fly, but not fantastic the industry weeds many of those but not all of them
I recall using an early weight and balance annunciator system installed in a handful of B-707 freighters and one, or two in DC-8's, as well, referred to as a STAN system. It worked off oleo-strut pressure from all three gear struts fed into a data concentrator and then to a display on the FE's panel. It gave you the center of gravity in per-centage of MAC, as well. Don't recall seeing it on any newer airplanes, though.
I don't really understand why wouldn't pilots use full or near full power for all take offs? Obviously I'm not a pilot and don't know much about flying. Just seems to me that I've seen this sort of thing happen quite a few times.
I agree and commented on a different video with the same situation and outcome. Just go 95% of max on every takeoff. I know all the professionals will say it cuts the life of the plane down. Does it?
It seems almost impossible to believe a crew, in charge of a cargo aircraft, didn’t factor in the actual cargo into the take off weight. But as the video suggests, at 0230/0300 you’re in a very dangerous time for flight operations. But such a collective mistake is criminal.
You know folks, sometimes this happens even at our Monday jobs. It’s kind of like baseball when a major screwup happens the ball gets hit. It goes between the pitchers legs goes out to the shortstop. The shortstop attempts to pick it out yet he drops the ball it rolls out into the outfield the outfielder tries to throw it, and then only sails about 2 feet. In other words my point is there’s a catastrophic failure that we humans can make it happens at every job so to criticize these people. Unfortunately, the stars have to be in alignment. Those stars being the stars of failure and disaster, and in this case it was, and by the way, you can pick any sport and look at the Follies that happen to a team
Great response, driving a car or a truck, being a pedestrian, cycling to work or for fun, the motorcycle I used to ride. There but the grace go I. I should have died the week before my 30th birthday due to a surgical mistake, 2 weeks later at another hospital I have a near death experience (it was really beautiful, No Pain. I haven’t been afraid to die since) a massive surgery 5 weeks in hospital, 6 months off work. I’m nearly 60 now and I did things that I wouldn’t have done before my illness, I met my soulmate at 49, we had wonderful adventures, until she lost her battle with cancer 2.5yrs ago. I’m just grateful that we had the time together that we did, and that we even got to meet because I lived when I should have died, but it wasn’t my time. Live each day because none of us are promised tomorrow or the chance to get old.
HI MPC Flights. We love your videos. Suggestion: you may want to include more info regarding aftermath. For example, in this occurrence, sadly, there were no survivors. 😢
Good sound effects for the crash sequence but you needed to fade the last sounds at 5:38 much more slowly -- pulled me out of the video when they potted straight down like that.
this is terrible😔..... however, in weight and balance of an aircraft everything has to be included. They knew they were picking up new cargo.. How could they possibly forget to include 53 tons of seafood? And ,the first time the tail struck the runway why wasn't the takeoff immediately aborted?....
It would be interesting to know whether the aircraft had the performance to safely take off at this weight. If it did and the crew didn’t use the available performance then it makes this accident all the more tragic.
Forget about 53 Tons of cargo. pfff 'whata mistaka to make'. There is a way of noticing this failure during T/O by checking the runway distance markers, like required on aircraft like the Commet and Caravelle but i have never heard of a crew who did this on modern aircraft.
closer to the time of this accident (2004) all local-to-halifax media reported that the crash was due to ground crew improperly loading and securing the cargo (live lobster). this is not the first time serious botch-ups have occurred at this airport. several years ago an air canada a320 was coming towards final approach in a severe snowstorm. the ground people responsible for turning on the runway lights initially had none on. they then turned on lights for wrong runway, creating severe last second confusion for flight crew. the plane crashed within the confines of the airport fields.
This sounds completely ass backwards. Someone has to sign off on the weight sheet from the load master. Not only does this go into the amount of fuel required but also the correct take off speed.
MK Airlines Flight 1602 was an MK Airlines Boeing 747-200F cargo flight on a flight from Halifax Stanfield International Airport, Nova Scotia, Canada to Zaragoza Airport, Spain. It crashed on take-off in 2004, killing the crew of 7.[1][2][3] It was the fourth accident for MK Airlines, as well as the deadliest.[4]
To force a plane to fly too early can end in a debacle as the plane flies with ground effect with much resistance and cannot accelerate to get off the ground. I know planes where the profile was altered as a result of the test flights. By pulling one may gain height, some even have got into heaven!
This is why I don' like take-off calculation computers; er, well, actually the process of it. It's basically a game of electronic chicken, whose purpose is simply to minize fuel-burn during take-off (and to be fair, to minimize wear & tear on the engines, too). But it's all at the expense of safety: one wrong number can lead a crash, simply by not having gone fast enough, when you could have gone to max power and saved the plane.
It's amazing that more than 75% of failure to take off videos that I've watched Pratt and Whitney engines were involved, I'm not going to be on a jet with those POS engines powering my flight
😮Any experienced B747-400 Captain has "ball park " figures.9.. If you are near max departure weight for long haul /heavy you will expect to see s figure of around 170-180kts in the V2 autopilot window.. If nothing happens on rotation select full power and rotate slowly ki hi .......feel the energy... Basic professional airmanship... I believe they only had 143 KNOTS selected......!!!! I knew what the problem was at the beginning...??
It wasn't a -400, but a classic -200 with a flight engineer who also failed to cross-check the weight, speeds, and required power settings for the available runway length.
🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲In Vietnam, we call this a Pilot Disintegration Error, where one bomb exceeded the hard point escape velocity, because of the stupidity of not calculating the proper weight configuration 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Pull back more, are you serious, it just shows that when there's an incident, hopefully your not on one those flights, because many pilots react terribly to anything that needs calm, levelheaded thinking.
@Rodeo32145 If you mean "full power" as in thrust or power levers fully advanced then no, aircraft basically never takeoff with "full" power. On a turbojet (EPR or Engine Pressure Ratio) or tubofan (N1 ) engine the power required is calculated taking into account outside air temperature, altitude, aircraft weight, and if the resultant number is within engine and aircraft operating parameters you are good to go. Turboprop aircraft set a takeoff propeller RPM and torque, apply the numbers in a similar way, and use that.
At least decent people, aka passengers, were not sacrificed in this debacle. I watch these videos to reinforce my decision to never enter an airplane so that incompetents can end my life.
I completely agree I drove a truck for 43 years, over 2 million miles, 1 non- chargeable (not at fault) accident. I don't even feel comfortable with other drivers, let alone in the air. I know the statistics, I stay on the ground anyway.
The incident happened some time ago but the video, which was created since the incident, was uploaded to TH-cam 13 hours ago. There was no claim that I could see that the incident had recently occurred.
Too late. Overrun, gear collapse, inboard engines come off their mounts, fuel lines break etc etc. Ram the throttles to full power and hope to recover in time.
Really enjoy your simulations. Especially how you show the aircraft flying the way it should have at the end of your simulation. Great job. Keep up the great work. ❤
Thank you
How did I not find this channel before? Amazing work thank you for these!
Thanks
He probably posted something that tipped off the misinformation department that his channel needed to be suppressed. Maybe he told the truth about something??
I worked at YHZ (Halifax) in the 80s. Lovely airport, especially from the 70s to the 90s. I remember this day well, also the day of Swissair 111 which was hoping to land there.
Absolutely horrific! How does an entire crew not use correct calculations before take-off? Mind blowing, to say the least. Excellent video! Thank you for creating, uploading and sharing!! ✈😊
It’ll be bots flying them soon enough taking over the world
What will be left for humans to do?
Complacency....cutting corners. The big one, stuff happens!
@@garyjohnson1970Fatigue too
I believe it was deliberate. The pilots vere entirely focussed on saving fuel. I knew the captain.
Like most aviation tragedies, there’s more to this story than meets the eye. The company employed the use of Boeing’s laptop tool and calculations were computed separately by the crew members. Read the Canadian NTSB report, yes the calculation for performance was wrong, but don’t be so quick to judge those that perished. The same issue of incorrect figures happened 2 other times with different airlines, who thankfully got away with out the loss of life.
Crew status? Survivors, casualties? Ground injuries, casualties?
According to Wikipedia, all 7 crewmembers perished.
Thanks @terrydanks
Thanks @@terrydanks
Production value is fantastic on all your videos. The best I’ve seen. Good work!
Wow, thanks!
This channel has become an absolutely first-rate production. Should have a lot more subscribers and if it continues with such quality it surely will get them.
Nearing retirement after a lifetime of flying I look back at some of the stupid things I’ve done and say to myself “There but for the grace of God go I”.
Any old pilot that claims that they do not think the same are either lying or lack self awareness.
Amen to that...
So, basicly pilots are human after all.
It sounds the same as saying "inshallah" . God willing we will get the plane in the air. And if we don't make it, then god did not will it. Jesus you religious jealots are something else. I am seriously considering whether to ask a pilot if he relies on his training or on god to reach the end destination next time I fly.
@@houtbay9 It might not be a nice thing to say, but manny years of type training learned me the scary version.
@@houtbay9 Just because one relies on the God of their faith, that makes them a "zealot?"
Six crew members and no one asking: did you add the 53 tons you just loaded for take-off calculations ?
Great videos. Excellent channel. Glad I found it.
UNBELIEVABLE. Not a single mention of what happened to the crew. All this praise in the posts below and nobody thought to even ask what happened to the crew? Your production values are great. When the human values catch up, I'll subscribe.
Exactly! Like the casualties didn’t matter!
This was actually significantly more complex that the video states.
Using the Boeing Laptop Tool one can calculate the aircraft's performance, but also its weight and center of gravity. The problem is that the W/CoG window retains the last data put in, then pastes it onto the Performance window.
What most likely happened is this: Someone performing the calculations put in the proper weight for Halifax takeoff (with the 53t added counted in), calculated it first for the de-rated takeoff (a TO with less than 100% power to reduce wear on the engines), then seeing such takeoff was not possible because the aircraft was too heavy, recalculated it for max power takeoff. And somewhere along the way that person accidentally opened the Weight/CoG window, which retained the information for Bradley takeoff. And when it was opened, the weight for Bradley was automatically copied to the Performance page without any warning to the operator.
Great Production---God, what a mistake !!!! I remember being on a KLM flight to Curacao from Amsterdam via Aruba and when we left Aruba, I noticed the slats were coming down as we were going down the runway--Could have been costly !!
The crew was awake for basically an entire day and overworked at that point
Humans all make mistakes, sadly some mistakes have enormous consequences.You can only feel for the families.
I'm never sure how much to trust the cockpit crew's judgements & actions at those kinds of ungodly night hours. It might account for their almost incredible neglect in calculating the accurate weight of their cargo. And I've never flown anything more than a kite but I think if it was me, any resistance to lift at all and I would want to abort, esp. with a 24 year old aircraft. Thanks again for a wonderful production that always seems to make us feel personally involved.
MK Airlines Flight 1602 was an MK Airlines Boeing 747-200F cargo flight from Halifax Stanfield International Airport, Nova Scotia, Canada, to Zaragoza Airport, Spain. It crashed on take-off on 14 Oktober 2004, killing the crew of seven (7). It was the fourth accident for MK Airlines, as well as the deadliest.
At 00:03 local time, on 14 October 2004, MK Airlines Flight 1602 took off from Windsor Locks - Bradley International Airport. The aircraft was loaded with a cargo of lawn tractors and made an intermediate stop at Halifax at 02:12 to be loaded up with approximately 53,000 kilograms (53 t; 117,000 lb) of lobsters and fish.
An investigation into the crash revealed that the flight crew had used the incorrect speeds and thrust setting during the take-off attempt, with incorrect take-off data being calculated when preparing the flight (incorrect V speed calculation, as the result of the crew re-using a lighter take-off weight of 240,000 kg (530,000 lb) from the aircraft's previous take-off at Windsor Locks - Bradley International Airport, instead of the correct weight of 353,000 kg (778,000 lb).
The official report blamed the company for serious non-conformance to flight and duty time with no regulations or company rules governing maximum duty periods for loadmasters and ground engineers resulting in increased potential for fatigue-induced errors.
Nice animation. Two comments: first, it crashed. It did not collapse. To collapse, it would have to be on the ground; second, casualties?
There was a pic of the burned-out crash site where it's self-evident that none survived nor could have survived.
@@miaflyer2376miracles happen must state casualties ok buffoo.n
53k kilos lobster &fish yummy but wasted a shame
I LOVE flying ✈
I even love watching these flight
Videos, obviously not for the ghoulish aspect but the many ways things go wrong & its 9/10ths human error.
I won a competition many years ago & my prize was lessons in a simulator, a proper professional one used to train pilots
Plus i got 2 instructional real life flights after id passed my simulator test.
On recommendation of my tutor i did take up flying!
It was expensive but to me worth every penny!
Once i changed jobs into a better career, i could afford more lessons..
Eventually after 5 years i got my pilots licence!
Never felt so proud! Not even after my 1st class Degree at Uni!
I ended as co owner of a Microlite then later my 2nd hubby
Also with a pilots licence ( its how we met at the Flying Club).
We bought a newer better model.
I dont fly so much now im in my 70s but i still go up & i NEVER get tired of the feeling of being up there!
No one can adequately describe it
If i had to "go" & providing no one or nothing was hurt or destroyed id happily go out while up there!
Way up high! Id be half way to heaven anyway! Lol.
What a brilliant end!
Peace & Good Cheer to All
🇬🇧👧
So what happened to the people on board? Did they survive? Did I miss something?
An absolutely beautiful aircraft.
I learned something today. I always thought that the pilot always put max thrust on takeoff. I was wrong! Now I'll probably question if there's enough thrust on my next flight. 🙏
Unfortunately, IMO flight computers are being abused in a dangerous game of "electronic chicken"; where, to save fuel & some wear & tear on the engines, they input fuel, cargo, & altitude/weather data to come up with a "most efficient" take-off power setting.
FYI, I've seen other air disaster videos, where even when the flight computer WAS updated, a simple transposed digit in entering data resulted in the loss of an aircraft & crew.
@@jimwinchester339 🤯 Amtrak, here I come!!
Pilots are so conditioned to that process that there have been other air crashes when even close to stalling and control loss stick shakers rattling alarms blaring Pilots have sometimes still not firewalled ( max thrust) the throttles and it has been established that full throttle would’ve saved the aircraft.😢
@@malcolmwhite6588 So sad! 😥
@@joeyadron1496 hundred percent. There are still a lot of pilots though that really are great. What’s called “stick and rudder” pilots other words they understand the automation, but a very competent with the hands-on basics even under stress, but there are also a lot of computer jockeys that can fly, but not fantastic the industry weeds many of those but not all of them
There must be independent checks by at least 3 individuals, seperately at any take-off consideration.
Do modern jets have the ability to determine the "weight on wheels" value? That would have helped here I suspect.
I recall using an early weight and balance annunciator system installed in a handful of B-707 freighters and one, or two in DC-8's, as well, referred to as a STAN system. It worked off oleo-strut pressure from all three gear struts fed into a data concentrator and then to a display on the FE's panel. It gave you the center of gravity in per-centage of MAC, as well. Don't recall seeing it on any newer airplanes, though.
I don't really understand why wouldn't pilots use full or near full power for all take offs? Obviously I'm not a pilot and don't know much about flying. Just seems to me that I've seen this sort of thing happen quite a few times.
I agree and commented on a different video with the same situation and outcome. Just go 95% of max on every takeoff. I know all the professionals will say it cuts the life of the plane down. Does it?
@@robertp330 It puts a lot of strain on the engines.
A loadmaster on board and no one takes account of an additional 53 tons of cargo. Was it allowed for during fuelling?
>Boeing 747 Collapses After Takeoff< "Collapses"? Is that a polite way of saying it Crashed?
That's what I was wondering.
Maybe that's the term they used since the plane did not successfully take off? I don't know. Good wuestion.
It seems almost impossible to believe a crew, in charge of a cargo aircraft, didn’t factor in the actual cargo into the take off weight. But as the video suggests, at 0230/0300 you’re in a very dangerous time for flight operations. But such a collective mistake is criminal.
Crew?
You know folks, sometimes this happens even at our Monday jobs. It’s kind of like baseball when a major screwup happens the ball gets hit. It goes between the pitchers legs goes out to the shortstop. The shortstop attempts to pick it out yet he drops the ball it rolls out into the outfield the outfielder tries to throw it, and then only sails about 2 feet. In other words my point is there’s a catastrophic failure that we humans can make it happens at every job so to criticize these people. Unfortunately, the stars have to be in alignment. Those stars being the stars of failure and disaster, and in this case it was, and by the way, you can pick any sport and look at the Follies that happen to a team
Great response, driving a car or a truck, being a pedestrian, cycling to work or for fun, the motorcycle I used to ride. There but the grace go I. I should have died the week before my 30th birthday due to a surgical mistake, 2 weeks later at another hospital I have a near death experience (it was really beautiful, No Pain. I haven’t been afraid to die since) a massive surgery 5 weeks in hospital, 6 months off work. I’m nearly 60 now and I did things that I wouldn’t have done before my illness, I met my soulmate at 49, we had wonderful adventures, until she lost her battle with cancer 2.5yrs ago. I’m just grateful that we had the time together that we did, and that we even got to meet because I lived when I should have died, but it wasn’t my time. Live each day because none of us are promised tomorrow or the chance to get old.
Wow, this happened only a few weeks before my last visit to NS from the UK, I knew nothing about it.
PLEASE date these videos. People need to know WHEN these things happan or HAPPENED!!!!
Dude it's provided in the video. And if this one doesn't satisfy you there's other videos of the same accident.
It said 2004, didn't it? I'm pretty sure it said that right in the beginning, unless you're talking about something else?
why pull back first?? add more power first.. the engines need time to spool up, too..
They said enter 24 via delta and do a backtrack tgen said enter 28 is that the one there vscktrsvking to or gad they errored at thst point
HI MPC Flights. We love your videos. Suggestion: you may want to include more info regarding aftermath. For example, in this occurrence, sadly, there were no survivors. 😢
I usually do, but this time I did miss that info.
Pilot must have felt plane heavier ?
Good sound effects for the crash sequence but you needed to fade the last sounds at 5:38 much more slowly -- pulled me out of the video when they potted straight down like that.
A seasoned crew and this happened?? I can't fathom it!!
"How heavy are we?" "I dunno!" "Close enough!" Pete 379. I would not drive my B double like that.
Why didn't they just do a softfield type takeoff? Liftoff, stay in ground effect, build up a bunch of speed, then climb out.
this is terrible😔..... however, in weight and balance of an aircraft everything has to be included. They knew they were picking up new cargo.. How could they possibly forget to include 53 tons of seafood? And ,the first time the tail struck the runway why wasn't the takeoff immediately aborted?....
This is most unacceptable pilot error.
The moral is, always take off at full throtle and rotate at the latest moment possible.
Need to be aware and double check...capt is always resonsible,final authority for flight.stick to the proceedures!
Is the casualty number listed anywhere?
Yes
I understand everyone aboard was lost.
@@The_DuMont_Network I think he's referring to the number of lobsters that died.
It would be interesting to know whether the aircraft had the performance to safely take off at this weight. If it did and the crew didn’t use the available performance then it makes this accident all the more tragic.
Did all the fish die ???
Several lobsters survived, but they later succumb to PTSD.
The video doesn't say anything about those on board. They all died (seven of them).
I'm confused; is it runway 24, or runway 26??? Both are mentioned...
Forget about 53 Tons of cargo. pfff 'whata mistaka to make'.
There is a way of noticing this failure during T/O by checking the runway distance markers,
like required on aircraft like the Commet and Caravelle but i have never heard of a crew who did this on modern aircraft.
closer to the time of this accident (2004) all local-to-halifax media reported that the crash was due to ground crew improperly loading and securing the cargo (live lobster).
this is not the first time serious botch-ups have occurred at this airport.
several years ago an air canada a320 was coming towards final approach in a severe snowstorm.
the ground people responsible for turning on the runway lights initially had none on.
they then turned on lights for wrong runway, creating severe last second confusion for flight crew.
the plane crashed within the confines of the airport fields.
How they didn't cancel when they noticed something is very wrong?
The pilots?
This sounds completely ass backwards. Someone has to sign off on the weight sheet from the load master. Not only does this go into the amount of fuel required but also the correct take off speed.
Did the crew survive?
MK Airlines Flight 1602 was an MK Airlines Boeing 747-200F cargo flight on a flight from Halifax Stanfield International Airport, Nova Scotia, Canada to Zaragoza Airport, Spain. It crashed on take-off in 2004, killing the crew of 7.[1][2][3] It was the fourth accident for MK Airlines, as well as the deadliest.[4]
I thought this was the one where the crew survived but that one was the one that over ran the end on landing😢
Several lobsters survived, but they later succumb to PTSD.
RIP Gents
Deaths ?.
The 747 was carrying a load of 53,000 Kg , and the captain didn’t know that ?! Please , say something else.
All that lobster 😢🦞!!!
Collapses? Seriously? I never heard that term being used for a CRASH.
Collapses? Crashes?!?? It must be a cultural difference in wording?
What happened to all that lobster?
Ÿummy clean up crew feasted.
To force a plane to fly too early can end in a debacle as the plane flies with ground effect with much resistance and cannot accelerate to get off the ground. I know planes where the profile was altered as a result of the test flights.
By pulling one may gain height, some even have got into heaven!
When did this happen?
Broiled Lobster anyone?
Oct 14, 2004.
Collapses? How about crashes?
This is why I don' like take-off calculation computers; er, well, actually the process of it. It's basically a game of electronic chicken, whose purpose is simply to minize fuel-burn during take-off (and to be fair, to minimize wear & tear on the engines, too). But it's all at the expense of safety: one wrong number can lead a crash, simply by not having gone fast enough, when you could have gone to max power and saved the plane.
Haste makes waste and more speed on top of that can make for disaster. I would like to know more about the fish fry.😳
What add-ons are you using?
First class BUT, I guess no one survived? RIP!
Oh my😮….heavy price to pay….
It's amazing that more than 75% of failure to take off videos that I've watched Pratt and Whitney engines were involved, I'm not going to be on a jet with those POS engines powering my flight
😮Any experienced B747-400 Captain has "ball park " figures.9..
If you are near max departure weight for long haul /heavy you will expect to see s figure of around 170-180kts
in the V2 autopilot window..
If nothing happens on rotation select full power and rotate slowly ki hi
.......feel the energy...
Basic professional airmanship...
I believe they only had 143 KNOTS selected......!!!!
I knew what the problem was at the beginning...??
It wasn't a -400, but a classic -200 with a flight engineer who also failed to cross-check the weight, speeds, and required power settings for the available runway length.
Good thing I don't fly back and forth from Europe anymore
Happened 6+ years ago
WTF? How stupid fatigue makes one! Stopped in CYHZ to take on a load. Dontcha think that changes the GTOW? Duh.
No regulations equals a disaster
any survivors??
Only lobsters.
None
This crashed on 14th October 2004.
"October 2024...?" Obviously a spoof video - the clur eas there at the very start.
🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲In Vietnam, we call this a Pilot Disintegration Error, where one bomb exceeded the hard point escape velocity, because of the stupidity of not calculating the proper weight configuration 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Pull back more, are you serious, it just shows that when there's an incident, hopefully your not on one those flights, because many pilots react terribly to anything that needs calm, levelheaded thinking.
Abyssmal cluster Crm /pilot error
Easy to miss 53 tons I guess 🙄 .
I think it was far to early to take off. A human brain does not work properly at this time of night....
Halifax has seen so many disasters in the last couple hundred years, mostly maritime, but not all.
That’s a lot of lobsters 🦞
To air is human....
Damn...all that lobster to waste
Such a waste of Lobster 🦞 and Fish 🐟
That video is 20 years old.
Why any plane would takeoff with less than full power is insane.
Explanation's too long for here, but that's normal, conditions permitting, with turbine-powered aircraft nowadays.
@Rodeo32145
If you mean "full power" as in thrust or power levers fully advanced then no, aircraft basically never takeoff with "full" power. On a turbojet (EPR or Engine Pressure Ratio) or tubofan (N1 ) engine the power required is calculated taking into account outside air temperature, altitude, aircraft weight, and if the resultant number is within engine and aircraft operating parameters you are good to go. Turboprop aircraft set a takeoff propeller RPM and torque, apply the numbers in a similar way, and use that.
just saving fuel when it's possible.
@@TheRealNatNatAnd Noise.....engine wear...fuel.,....
@@daftvader4218 yes, mostly engine wear actually
Silly
At least decent people, aka passengers, were not sacrificed in this debacle. I watch these videos to reinforce my decision to never enter an airplane so that incompetents can end my life.
Chicken!
I completely agree
I drove a truck for 43 years, over 2 million miles, 1 non- chargeable (not at fault) accident.
I don't even feel comfortable with other drivers, let alone in the air.
I know the statistics, I stay on the ground anyway.
Any lobsters survive?
H ere again another case of the entire crew F'ing up and crashing the plane !!!
What the hell!!!!!
Anyone survive
Sleepwalking Shift workers
this was thirteen years ago why are they saying it was 13 hours ago, what bullshit.
The incident happened some time ago but the video, which was created since the incident, was uploaded to TH-cam 13 hours ago. There was no claim that I could see that the incident had recently occurred.
@@cmtippens9209Lol, todays viewers must be high jump athletes. They always seem to be jumping to conclusions!😂
Why did not just abort takeoff?
Once you reach a certain point on the runway, there is no stopping without running off the end and into who knows what.
Too late. Overrun, gear collapse, inboard engines come off their mounts, fuel lines break etc etc. Ram the throttles to full power and hope to recover in time.
Whole lotta barbecued lobster.
Yea but jet fuel ruins the taste.