I truly love how you show the accident aircraft continuing its flight path as if the incident never occurred on the end of your videos. May everyone RIP.
I was thinking they should have turned off the autopilot and taken control immediately, but it happened so fast. Turning on the autopilot so early in the flight seems crazy.
I can't speak for 1962, but in modern times, the autopilot is typically engaged immediately after takeoff except for high-traffic areas, where manual control is used to steer clear of traffic. The pilots couldn't have expected there to be a defect in the autopilot system and were probably following normal procedures.
@@ProdagistNOT true. As a 30+ year airline pilot, I can tell you pilots typically “hand fly” the jet up to around 10,000 ft before turning on the autopilot (just as my Dad did in his airline career). If the departure procedure is complicated with many altitude and airspeed restrictions, then a pilot usually would then turn on the autopilot a little earlier.
If I recall correctly, the actual component within which the fault occurred was the Yaw Damper, which is closely associated with the autopilot but is a separate component that is always on. Another theory at the time was a hydraulic malfunction in the rudder power assembly that might have ported high pressure hydraulic fluid to one side of the rudder actuator. Investigators did find small punctures on some of the wires that were traced to a worker using tweezers to grasp some wires in the assembly process.
I read the accident report wile in training. I believe he engaged the autopilot below 1000 feet. After this accident the AP was not to be engaged below 400 feet. Flight tests Were done at altitude and it took 17000 feet to recover from hard over rudder in their configuration. Most 707s were then built with or converted to series yaw damper. The series yaw damper had a separate yaw damp coupler and operated the ruder hydraulicly with a electro hydraulic valve. It did not use the the rudder cables or autopilot computer.
You should do that one Braniff 707 test flight (In the late 1950s I believe) that performed excessive bank angles during testing to the point of 3 engines coming off. The plane made a crash landing in a riverbed. I think it happened in 1959.
One of the passengers who was killed on American Airlines flight 191 on May 25, 1979 that crashed in Chicago had his parents die on this flight as well 17 years apart and basically the same type of crash when the left wing dipped down in the plane rolled over
Really? I recall an episode where Pete asked his parents for money to buy an apartment in Manhattan....and his father refused. I had the impression that Pete's request for money was well into the series....long after 1962
A year earlier, a Sabena 707 executing a missed approach in Brussels crashed after making a left turn to re-enter the pattern. No probable cause was determined, but it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing had happened. That crash wiped out the entire U.S. figure skating team, which was on its way to the world championship in Prague; that meet was subsequently canceled.
It was surmised for a while that the actual cause was the pilots "cleaning up" the aircraft while in the initial steep left turn, at a speed that caused the left wing to stall. But the fact that accidents of this type seemed to stop after the manufacturer of the rudder servo wire bundles changed their procedures leads me to believe that the official probable cause was correct.
There were several notable passengers aboard including hotel magnate Arnold Kirkeby who owned Chartwell, the mansion shown in the opening credits to the Beverly Hillbillies.
Yes, including Linda Eastman (McCartney)'s mother, and a millionaire friend of Eisenhower. 15 pieces of artwork by the painter Gorsky were destroyed as well.
Thank you for going back many decades for this video. Highlighting incidents prior to the 80s is useful in bringing attention to the comparatively awful crash rates back in the "good ol' days", when modern tech like GPWS, GPS, ADSB, TCAS, etc, didn't exist. Of course commercial aviation crashes still happen, often due to human error, but it's nothing remotely like it used to be. I'm old enough to remember reading about fatal airliner crashes far too often.
All due to a short-circuit? Good Lord!!!😢 When I see stuff like this, my heart just breaks 💔 for everyone on board. Their final moments in sheer terror! AA 191 Out of Chicago. Friday, May 25 1979. Remember seeing the initial TV Reports.
The pilots were made helpless prisoners in the cockpit by a defect in their plane. They could not have known what the problem was, or how to correct it, and at only 1000 feet did not have enough time to even if they could have tried.
American Airlines Flight 1 "CVR" "Transcript" 3:02 SIC: Airspeed's alive. 3:17 SIC: VEE ONE. 3:19 SIC:ROTATE. 3:44 SIC: Gear is up. 3:55 TOWER: American 1‚ contact departure control on 123.9. 4:01 SIC:123.9 thank you. 4:19 SIC: Flaps 0. Autopilot engaged. 4:24 ATC: American 1‚ continue left turn to 140. 4:30 ATC:Report out of 2‚000. 4:34 SIC:Left turn heading 140. Reporting out of 2‚000.
I hate to spoil your transcript but this accident happened in 1962 which was before CVR’s were mandated for every commercial plane. So this plane in particular had no CVR recorder
great graphics, love the changing reflections off the fuselage, Servo damaged during manufacturing, this was a major disaster awaiting to happen from day 1. Terrible waste of lifes.
No. The Boeing 720 has one per side, except for Eastern. All 707’s have two per side. That is actually the main visual difference between the 797 and 720, aside from the small difference in length which is not apparent to most people The “707” in this video is actually a 720 add-on for the flight simulator XPlane. The video was made using this simulator. American Airlines flew both the 707 and the 720. The 720 was merely a slightly shorter, lighter derivative of the 707 made for operations on shorter runways. American called them all 707’s. Only the crew and a few very savvy passengers knew the difference. Nonetheless, the aircraft operating flight 1 that day was a 707. I imagine the maker of this video could not find an XPlane version of a 707 and used this very fine 720 ( created by a developer named Shenshee).
The’707’ , what an aircraft, I remember them at Heathrow in the 70’s , great noise, great looking, elegant, glamorous, a great…’howl’…and grief stricken..‘whine’…starting up!!!!!!!
I remember first hearing about this crash in the show Mad Men the episode titled Flight 1. This was so sad, RIP to all who perished, very good simulation. Kind of reminds me of American 587. I like how it shows it fly off at the end as if it had not crashed.
A couple on this flight with the last name of Stogel, had 2 sons and one of them, Leonard, died on American Airlines Flight 191 and both crashes were eerily similar. Same airline, both crashes happened during take-off when the left wing dipped and then stalled and it turns out, that a mechanical / maintenance deficiency was to blame.😞
MPC, Can You Do *Middle East Airlines Flight 438* And *Pakistan International Airlines Flight 708?* It's Because I Can't Find Any Recreation Of What Really Happened........ You Can Do It In Your Time, We Wait..... Thank You....
@@AqueleMulekeDanado Do You Know That Many Comments Requested Other Recreations Of Flights Accidents Or Incidents... By The Way..... These Forgotten Boeing 720 Crashes Will Be Not An Bad Idea....... But It's Depends On Mauricio Decision..... Or Something....
The flight sim airliner shown is not a 707, it's a very similar 720, which was introduced later. They look a lot the same as the smaller 707s. But I was clued in when I saw only two turbo compressors on top of two engines. A 707 has them on three of the four engines. At least he put a 707 livery skin on it to fake it a bit better.
Many domestic 707’s, and all of American’s, had only two turbo compressors. The third one was always a spare, intended for long range operations into areas that might not have spares. That way if one failed the flight could continue to a place that had comprehensive maintenance. As for the 707 livery, this is actually correct. American called their 720’s 707’s. They all sported the same livery. Only the pilots and perhaps the stews would have known which type they were on.
That incident was caused by a completely different problem. In that case it was a bad rudder actuator, which was from bad maintenance if I remember correctly.
@@Randomly_Browsing Maybe so. But as I recall there was no indication at the time that the design was flawed. It took years of testing to figure it out.
@@markabb1ummm...no. As I recall, the Boeing 737 har-overrudder occurrences (there were two or three crashes) were caused by a hydraulic rudder shaft reacting thermally - believe it or not - to extreme cold at altitude. I THINK the problem was remedied with an improved design which used a more thermally stable hydraulic fluid AND an automatic bypass valve which diverted hydraulic fluid if an uncommanded rudder change occurred. Say...these stories are bloody addictive aren't they ??😊
First time I heard about this crash. Man, how many major plane crashes have there been in New York? Lots of them. Definitely the most at any airport in the US and possibly in the world.
I noticed they had a 4-man cockpit crew, including a 2nd officer as well as a flight engineer. Was that common practice in the early years of jets? And how was the cockpit configured to accommodate 4 pilots? Did the 2nd officer ride the jump seat? And what were his duties?
Second Officer is a title that has usually been used to indicate the flight engineer in latter days, from shortly after this crash, although there is no connection. The term seems to have originated when ALPA, at that time the Union for all airline pilots, demanded three pilots on all jets. At first, this was in addition to the flight engineer, who was a required crewman under CAA (today the FAA) regulations. The aircraft itself needed only two pilots and the FE. The third pilot sat in one of the two jump seats behind the Captain. This position had been eliminated by the time I hired on at AA and flew the 707, so I’m not sure what they did, but it probably included running checklists and handling company communications as well as traffic watch. This latter would have been important because unlike today, there was no 250 knot speed limit down low. Jets were flown on the redline from flaps up to flaps down. Shortly after this event, and not connected to it, the airlines eliminated the SO position (third pilot), and instead initiated a policy of hiring pilots into the engineer position first, from which they would in time upgrade to first officer and then captain. This is how it was when I hired on.
Terrible tragedy, I wonder if the crew could have regained control of the aircraft by disabling the autopilot or if it was already too late? Being so close to the ground would have made any recovery more difficult.
Nice graphics as with all your productions. I watch many other producers of aviation accidents with most conclusions point to pilot error, poor management, poor weather planning. But when Auto systems became the norm it seems we’ve added another way to crash because of miss management, bad data and to much reliance. Not sure if this flight being so low would have benefited from a disconnect anyway.
Not any more. Modern auto flight systems can fly much more smoothly than all but the very smoothest pilots. Except for proficiency (a result of the Asiana event) it is not really emphasized. And manual flight is prohibited at or above FL290 these days due to RVSM. Many of the copilots later in my career would hook everything up shortly after flap retraction!
I have never flown in a Commercial Airlines that ever made that steep of a turn that would freak out the passengers. In the video at first I thought they lost control of it because of that steep turn. Maybe out of Idlewild that's normal.
My uncle who taught me to fly was an American Airlines Captain. He started with American in the 1950’s and retired in 1981. He flew the DC-7, 707, 727, DC-10, but his favorite was the 707. He retired with 33,000 hours, he flew the B-17 in WW2 and various aircraft 1945-1950’s. Never heard of this crash. Very sad.
same accident occured in tahiti/oceania on july 22 of 1973 with N-417PA Flight 876: cause= "indetermined" aircraft sank into ocean @~2000 ft just after left turn,some parts of aircraft and bodies recovered but not the CVR
It is believed that this accident was caused by spatial disorientation because it departed in pitch black without any lights (islands, boats) to see. Perhaps an instrument like the altimeter or the artificial horizon failed but maybe they didn't pay attention, the South Pacific Pan Am crews had a bad reputation and safety record in the early 70s; drinking and stubborn, captains not accepting input or warnings from his crew. Probably not the servo motor failure as that item was checked better since the AA 1 crash.
@@airlinerlist They did it again off Caracas a few years earlier. The Papeete crash (mentioned above) was the first of an unprecedented run of four fatal Pan Am passenger jet events in a period of about 9 months. Though one was sabotage, it's likely the rest reflected on the deteriorated state of PA's South Pacific operation. A very low point for the airline.
@@airlinerlist In the Flight 806 book by William Norris, I read there was a "do not fly with" list of Pan Am pilots that the more safety conscious pilots were circulating. It turns out the captain of flight 806 (Pago Pago) was on the list. After reading this book I have never been more boiling rage at an airline for screwing over the passengers, like the woman who was severely burned but denied compensation on the grounds she made it to her destination. Such a shame a the legendary airline fell to such depths of corporate depravity. Ok, I stop blabbing now.
Something about Boeing…and rudders😢 I know there is no connection and these airliners were still in the infancy of development and they have advanced in leaps and bounds ever since. Well, until bean counters dictate whats safe and whats not…for the shareholders anyways.
The crash scene was not good i.e. was too abrupt & black water splashing over the plane looked unrealistic. Do over or delete. Not up to snuff. Of course, I couldn't do better except in my imagination.
This is a fairly realistic re-creation using a PC based flight simulator. There is no film of the original event. Nor any still photographs other than of the recovery efforts.
Not “even” worse, just worse. Things were good prior to the merger. There have always been and will always be accidents due to state of the art, unforeseen engineering issues and of course human factors. Until recently Boeing was the best, albeit not by much (they are all good ). I’ve flown planes from all three major manufacturers.
Absolutely first class videos on this channel. Productions are way more superior than the other channels. You need more subscribers !
"The Flight Channel" is not bad, either.
@@jourwalis-8875Allec Joshua Ibay is really good!!
I truly love how you show the accident aircraft continuing its flight path as if the incident never occurred on the end of your videos. May everyone RIP.
You "truly love" this feature????😮
I also like the ending of the videos. It's like the flight is still happening in an opposite world,so to speak. And the music suits it perfectly xx
@@yvetteandjorgenlarsen9753 : I think you missed the sentiment.
@@yvetteandjorgenlarsen9753 when a plane crashed, most of aviation lovers say it's not crashed, but it's just "flying higher"...
Pretty impressive they were able to isolate a short circuit as the cause after a high speed impact into the water.
That was I thought too . Very strange
My god…those poor people. What a horror filled last 20 seconds of their lives.
I was thinking they should have turned off the autopilot and taken control immediately, but it happened so fast. Turning on the autopilot so early in the flight seems crazy.
That's because it is crazy!
I can't speak for 1962, but in modern times, the autopilot is typically engaged immediately after takeoff except for high-traffic areas, where manual control is used to steer clear of traffic. The pilots couldn't have expected there to be a defect in the autopilot system and were probably following normal procedures.
@@ProdagistNOT true. As a 30+ year airline pilot, I can tell you pilots typically “hand fly” the jet up to around 10,000 ft before turning on the autopilot (just as my Dad did in his airline career). If the departure procedure is complicated with many altitude and airspeed restrictions, then a pilot usually would then turn on the autopilot a little earlier.
If I recall correctly, the actual component within which the fault occurred was the Yaw Damper, which is closely associated with the autopilot but is a separate component that is always on. Another theory at the time was a hydraulic malfunction in the rudder power assembly that might have ported high pressure hydraulic fluid to one side of the rudder actuator. Investigators did find small punctures on some of the wires that were traced to a worker using tweezers to grasp some wires in the assembly process.
I read the accident report wile in training. I believe he engaged the autopilot below 1000 feet. After this accident the AP was not to be engaged below 400 feet. Flight tests Were done at altitude and it took 17000 feet to recover from hard over rudder in their configuration. Most 707s were then built with or converted to series yaw damper. The series yaw damper had a separate yaw damp coupler and operated the ruder hydraulicly with a electro hydraulic valve. It did not use the the rudder cables or autopilot computer.
You should do that one Braniff 707 test flight (In the late 1950s I believe) that performed excessive bank angles during testing to the point of 3 engines coming off. The plane made a crash landing in a riverbed. I think it happened in 1959.
One of the passengers who was killed on American Airlines flight 191 on May 25, 1979 that crashed in Chicago had his parents die on this flight as well 17 years apart and basically the same type of crash when the left wing dipped down in the plane rolled over
Yes, I remember reading that.
@@cchris874 the gentleman who died on Flight 191 and lost his parents on Flight 1, was named Leonard Stogel.😢
R.I.P
Nice Graphics, thank you. I like the 'positive' Note at the end - Blue Skies and Tailwinds
This is the flight that was fictionalized in the series Mad Men that killed Pete Campbell’s father. Brutal.
Really? I recall an episode where Pete asked his parents for money to buy an apartment in Manhattan....and his father refused. I had the impression that Pete's request for money was well into the series....long after 1962
@ Pete’s father died in season 2, set in 1962, when his AA jet dived into Jamaica bay on takeoff. That would have been very easy to check.
@@johnfisher7143 thanks for clarifying
I believe that other 707's servos were affected by this problem. The inspection saved lives.
A year earlier, a Sabena 707 executing a missed approach in Brussels crashed after making a left turn to re-enter the pattern. No probable cause was determined, but it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing had happened. That crash wiped out the entire U.S. figure skating team, which was on its way to the world championship in Prague; that meet was subsequently canceled.
So the servo valve issues DIDN'T start with the 737s in the 1990's. So ashamed of Boeing.
It was surmised for a while that the actual cause was the pilots "cleaning up" the aircraft while in the initial steep left turn, at a speed that caused the left wing to stall. But the fact that accidents of this type seemed to stop after the manufacturer of the rudder servo wire bundles changed their procedures leads me to believe that the official probable cause was correct.
You showed an eerie ghost aircraft. Nobody in either the flight deck or passenger cabin :)
The visuals for this are from the XPlane flight simulator. Like MSFS, it has no people in the cabin or on the flight deck.
There were several notable passengers aboard including hotel magnate Arnold Kirkeby who owned Chartwell, the mansion shown in the opening credits to the Beverly Hillbillies.
Yes, including Linda Eastman (McCartney)'s mother, and a millionaire friend of Eisenhower.
15 pieces of artwork by the painter Gorsky were destroyed as well.
Linda Eastman's mother was on that flight
@@jscanl (Revised her name) she was never McCartney, right?
@@wintercame tbh.....I don't know if Linda took Paul's surname (legally speaking)
Thank you for going back many decades for this video. Highlighting incidents prior to the 80s is useful in bringing attention to the comparatively awful crash rates back in the "good ol' days", when modern tech like GPWS, GPS, ADSB, TCAS, etc, didn't exist. Of course commercial aviation crashes still happen, often due to human error, but it's nothing remotely like it used to be. I'm old enough to remember reading about fatal airliner crashes far too often.
Keeping in mind there MILLIONS and MILLIONS of flights every single DAY!!! At THAT time, MAYBE a couple HUNDRED daily. MAYBE...
@@htos1av Excellent point.
@@htos1av Well not quite millions every day. It's about 30 million or so worldwide per year for scheduled commercial. BUT I quibble. :)
And CRM!! I am a retired American Airlines flight attendant. ❤
I'm 80 & remember them all. Got all the newspaper clippings.
Such a tragedy, RIP to all aboard, a needless accident that cost innocent lives
All due to a short-circuit? Good Lord!!!😢 When I see stuff like this, my heart just breaks 💔 for everyone on board. Their final moments in sheer terror! AA 191 Out of Chicago. Friday, May 25 1979.
Remember seeing the initial TV Reports.
Superb graphics. Excellent job.
Thanks!
The pilots were made helpless prisoners in the cockpit by a defect in their plane. They could not have known what the problem was, or how to correct it, and at only 1000 feet did not have enough time to even if they could have tried.
Didn't know about this one. Excellent vid, as usual.
🎉Your videos are so graphic, I could feel that crash in the pit of my stomach‼️
American Airlines Flight 1 "CVR" "Transcript"
3:02 SIC: Airspeed's alive.
3:17 SIC: VEE ONE.
3:19 SIC:ROTATE.
3:44 SIC: Gear is up.
3:55 TOWER: American 1‚ contact departure control on 123.9.
4:01 SIC:123.9 thank you.
4:19 SIC: Flaps 0. Autopilot engaged.
4:24 ATC: American 1‚ continue left turn to 140.
4:30 ATC:Report out of 2‚000.
4:34 SIC:Left turn heading 140. Reporting out of 2‚000.
I hate to spoil your transcript but this accident happened in 1962 which was before CVR’s were mandated for every commercial plane. So this plane in particular had no CVR recorder
great graphics, love the changing reflections off the fuselage, Servo damaged during manufacturing, this was a major disaster awaiting to happen from day 1. Terrible waste of lifes.
Sorry to nitpick, the 707 shown has only one over wing exit per side instead of two.
No. The Boeing 720 has one per side, except for Eastern. All 707’s have two per side. That is actually the main visual difference between the 797 and 720, aside from the small difference in length which is not apparent to most people
The “707” in this video is actually a 720 add-on for the flight simulator XPlane. The video was made using this simulator.
American Airlines flew both the 707 and the 720. The 720 was merely a slightly shorter, lighter derivative of the 707 made for operations on shorter runways. American called them all 707’s. Only the crew and a few very savvy passengers knew the difference. Nonetheless, the aircraft operating flight 1 that day was a 707. I imagine the maker of this video could not find an XPlane version of a 707 and used this very fine 720 ( created by a developer named Shenshee).
Never knew about this crash..thanks for covering it.
It's quite an Important one due to the issues. There are still a lot out there with no video about it yet
Please re-do this video with narration because I can't see all of the captions; they are cut-off.😮
The’707’ , what an aircraft, I remember them at Heathrow in the 70’s , great noise, great looking, elegant, glamorous, a great…’howl’…and grief stricken..‘whine’…starting up!!!!!!!
I remember first hearing about this crash in the show Mad Men the episode titled Flight 1. This was so sad, RIP to all who perished, very good simulation. Kind of reminds me of American 587. I like how it shows it fly off at the end as if it had not crashed.
A couple on this flight with the last name of Stogel, had 2 sons and one of them, Leonard, died on American Airlines Flight 191 and both crashes were eerily similar. Same airline, both crashes happened during take-off when the left wing dipped and then stalled and it turns out, that a mechanical / maintenance deficiency was to blame.😞
Three pilots and one FE.
What is FE ?
@ Flight Engineer
MPC, Can You Do *Middle East Airlines Flight 438* And *Pakistan International Airlines Flight 708?* It's Because I Can't Find Any Recreation Of What Really Happened........ You Can Do It In Your Time, We Wait..... Thank You....
@@AqueleMulekeDanado Do You Know That Many Comments Requested Other Recreations Of Flights Accidents Or Incidents... By The Way..... These Forgotten Boeing 720 Crashes Will Be Not An Bad Idea....... But It's Depends On Mauricio Decision..... Or Something....
@@YeahYeahBruhBruhYeah.... You're Right.....
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll investigate
Linda McCartneys mother died on this flight.
Linda Eastman broke up the Beatles
🎸 🥁 🎤
Wrong, "rap man".
Actually, she and Paul started "Apple" with a simple home recording studio and TWO signed bands-Beatles and Badfinger.
@@rapman5791 Show some respect, you piece of filth.
Why did they turn on autopilot so quickly and then disengage it when the trouble started?
My father was an editor with UPI news service and covered this crash. I was in NYC for the ticker tape parade for John Glenn.
The flight sim airliner shown is not a 707, it's a very similar 720, which was introduced later. They look a lot the same as the smaller 707s. But I was clued in when I saw only two turbo compressors on top of two engines. A 707 has them on three of the four engines. At least he put a 707 livery skin on it to fake it a bit better.
It's a 720B, but American Airlines did the same thing with the turbo compressors on their 707-120Bs.
Many domestic 707’s, and all of American’s, had only two turbo compressors. The third one was always a spare, intended for long range operations into areas that might not have spares. That way if one failed the flight could continue to a place that had comprehensive maintenance.
As for the 707 livery, this is actually correct. American called their 720’s 707’s. They all sported the same livery. Only the pilots and perhaps the stews would have known which type they were on.
It's Very Sad That *Western Airlines Flight 366* Crashed On The Same Circunstance Of Flight 1....
It Was On March 31th 1979..... Right?
@AqueleMulekeDanado I Guess So....
That was in 1971 apparently on a training flight. I'm not sure the circumstances were identical.
If you remember the show "Mad Men" early on in the show, there is a scene where Pete Campbell's father is killed in this crash.
Sounds a lot like the uncommanded roll of the Boeing 737 years later that resulted in deaths.
That incident was caused by a completely different problem. In that case it was a bad rudder actuator, which was from bad maintenance if I remember correctly.
@@markabb1and a bad design flaw
@@Randomly_Browsing
Maybe so. But as I recall there was no indication at the time that the design was flawed. It took years of testing to figure it out.
@@markabb1ummm...no. As I recall, the Boeing 737 har-overrudder occurrences (there were two or three crashes) were caused by a hydraulic rudder shaft reacting thermally - believe it or not - to extreme cold at altitude. I THINK the problem was remedied with an improved design which used a more thermally stable hydraulic fluid AND an automatic bypass valve which diverted hydraulic fluid if an uncommanded
rudder change occurred.
Say...these stories are bloody addictive aren't they ??😊
@@californiadreaming9216 Indeed they are!
Terrifying! - but awesome presentation! … 👌
First time I heard about this crash. Man, how many major plane crashes have there been in New York? Lots of them. Definitely the most at any airport in the US and possibly in the world.
6:48
The picture quality is remarkably good for 1962. Great view of the tragic crash site.
It could be enhanced and fixed with modern software
👎🐒👎🐒👎 Some morons believe this viddy was made in 1962 ; can you believe it ?
holy crap. never even heard of this accident.
Wow, nice to know they have the JT3D engine sound down pretty good. (even though this was a JT3C, I believe)
I noticed they had a 4-man cockpit crew, including a 2nd officer as well as a flight engineer. Was that common practice in the early years of jets? And how was the cockpit configured to accommodate 4 pilots? Did the 2nd officer ride the jump seat? And what were his duties?
Second Officer is a title that has usually been used to indicate the flight engineer in latter days, from shortly after this crash, although there is no connection. The term seems to have originated when ALPA, at that time the Union for all airline pilots, demanded three pilots on all jets. At first, this was in addition to the flight engineer, who was a required crewman under CAA (today the FAA) regulations. The aircraft itself needed only two pilots and the FE.
The third pilot sat in one of the two jump seats behind the Captain. This position had been eliminated by the time I hired on at AA and flew the 707, so I’m not sure what they did, but it probably included running checklists and handling company communications as well as traffic watch. This latter would have been important because unlike today, there was no 250 knot speed limit down low. Jets were flown on the redline from flaps up to flaps down.
Shortly after this event, and not connected to it, the airlines eliminated the SO position (third pilot), and instead initiated a policy of hiring pilots into the engineer position first, from which they would in time upgrade to first officer and then captain. This is how it was when I hired on.
Terrible tragedy, I wonder if the crew could have regained control of the aircraft by disabling the autopilot or if it was already too late? Being so close to the ground would have made any recovery more difficult.
Nice graphics as with all your productions. I watch many other producers of aviation accidents with most conclusions point to pilot error, poor management, poor weather planning. But when Auto systems became the norm it seems we’ve added another way to crash because of miss management, bad data and to much reliance. Not sure if this flight being so low would have benefited from a disconnect anyway.
Is that standard to engage the Autopilot so soon? I've always thought you go to Autopilot once you're at level flight and at cruising altitude.
Not any more. Modern auto flight systems can fly much more smoothly than all but the very smoothest pilots. Except for proficiency (a result of the Asiana event) it is not really emphasized. And manual flight is prohibited at or above FL290 these days due to RVSM. Many of the copilots later in my career would hook everything up shortly after flap retraction!
Former member of The Beatles Paul McCartney his future Mother in law, Louise Eastman, Linda McCartneys mother was killed on this flight
I have never flown in a Commercial Airlines that ever made that steep of a turn that would freak out the passengers. In the video at first I thought they lost control of it because of that steep turn.
Maybe out of Idlewild that's normal.
The nearly immediate left turn off runway 31L at JFK is still standard. But it never took more that a medium bank, now or then.
Not a pilot but just wondering, why would they initiate AP before cruising altitude?
Thank you
RIP to the survivors...✝✝✝✝✝✝
Very sad to see this but it has to be focus on the faults earlier
Whatdoes SIC stand for again? I’m kinda dumb sometimes lol
Second in command.
Video shows the control tower and layout of JFK, not Idlewild.
Indeed. That is because there is no period scenery for XPlane flight simulator.
Sure miss the old American Airline streamline red logos on the radome and body.
My uncle who taught me to fly was an American Airlines Captain. He started with American in the 1950’s and retired in 1981. He flew the DC-7, 707, 727, DC-10, but his favorite was the 707. He retired with 33,000 hours, he flew the B-17 in WW2 and various aircraft 1945-1950’s.
Never heard of this crash. Very sad.
Doesnt the airline usually change the flight numbers after a crash?
Yes, even stopped using them after crash
It’s kinda weird AA hasn’t?? Kind of disrespectful to the deceased imo
@@pauloc4740 as everyone even know about it
@ I know TWA flight 800 and MHA 370 and Swissair 111 come to mind did
@@KongKingman I think MH 17 too
Stay safe
same accident occured in tahiti/oceania on july 22 of 1973 with N-417PA Flight 876: cause= "indetermined" aircraft sank into ocean @~2000 ft just after left turn,some parts of aircraft and bodies recovered but not the CVR
It is believed that this accident was caused by spatial disorientation because it departed in pitch black without any lights (islands, boats) to see. Perhaps an instrument like the altimeter or the artificial horizon failed but maybe they didn't pay attention, the South Pacific Pan Am crews had a bad reputation and safety record in the early 70s; drinking and stubborn, captains not accepting input or warnings from his crew. Probably not the servo motor failure as that item was checked better since the AA 1 crash.
@airlinerlist actually there were 2 fatal crashes because of rudder problems back in the nineties
@@airlinerlist They did it again off Caracas a few years earlier. The Papeete crash (mentioned above) was the first of an unprecedented run of four fatal Pan Am passenger jet events in a period of about 9 months. Though one was sabotage, it's likely the rest reflected on the deteriorated state of PA's South Pacific operation. A very low point for the airline.
@@airlinerlist In the Flight 806 book by William Norris, I read there was a "do not fly with" list of Pan Am pilots that the more safety conscious pilots were circulating. It turns out the captain of flight 806 (Pago Pago) was on the list. After reading this book I have never been more boiling rage at an airline for screwing over the passengers, like the woman who was severely burned but denied compensation on the grounds she made it to her destination. Such a shame a the legendary airline fell to such depths of corporate depravity.
Ok, I stop blabbing now.
I think the video shows a B-720
Looks like a B 720?
Something about Boeing…and rudders😢
I know there is no connection and these airliners were still in the infancy of development and they have advanced in leaps and bounds ever since.
Well, until bean counters dictate whats safe and whats not…for the shareholders anyways.
Couldn't they have pulled the A/P C/B & taken over manually? Any heavy jet jockeys out there can answer that?
The crash scene was not good i.e. was too abrupt & black water splashing over the plane looked unrealistic. Do over or delete. Not up to snuff. Of course, I couldn't do better except in my imagination.
That is all of a “crash effect“ that the XPlane simulator has. In flight simming, we don’t go in for crashing!
I do not think 1962 they airport security
Boeings sloppy work practises go back decades!
Bendix built the actuator. Air Bus has its share of foul ups. Like auto pilots not answering commands, pito static systems caused crashes.
@@jayreiter268pitot tube wasn't Airbus fault you schmuck
The unintelligent just parrot the crap they read online.
They had 2 fatal crashes because of rudder problems back in the nineties
Let's talk about the wings coming off Lockheed L-188 or DeHavilland comets coming apart in flight
This is so-o-o fake. Such disrespect of the real victims to present this as the real thing
This is a fairly realistic re-creation using a PC based flight simulator. There is no film of the original event. Nor any still photographs other than of the recovery efforts.
even then boing planes not well made
Fake
It's not, its an recreation/reconstrution.....
How easy it is to type one word and expect the rest of us to understand your functionally illiterate method of communication.
Pratt Must Of Been Out Of Town When Whitney Made Those Engines
62 years later and Boeing still fucks shit up
Made even worse because of the merger with McDonnell Douglas
Not “even” worse, just worse. Things were good prior to the merger. There have always been and will always be accidents due to state of the art, unforeseen engineering issues and of course human factors. Until recently Boeing was the best, albeit not by much (they are all good ). I’ve flown planes from all three major manufacturers.