Reading some comments I am actually quite surprised how so many people havent caught up with technology, even to compare Mini Led with Edge Lit. Details are not washed out on Mini Led, its the camera! I have a TCL C935 and all I can say is that Mini LED is GENERATIONS ahead of Edge Lit TVs. Buy one and figure it out yourselves rather than talk absolute nonsense. I would never watch a movie on an Edge Lit TV ever again. The difference is far bigger than the camera can capture.
Wow u got the 9 series!! Thoes are the BEST. I thought they were hard to find apparently BESTBUY HATES Hisense n TCL . They were makeing some excuse to Stop Displaying TCL 8 Series on floor. Because Hisense n TCL make the Big 3 mid range tv look like dog sh…
Same, qn90c 43 inches looks amazing, far better than any plasma and almost OLED level quality, specially at a room with the lights turned on (and for more than 400 dollars cheaper here in my country)
@@Gadottinho yeah,,Did u see the CES 2024 the Hisense n TCL?? The MINI LEDs are so bright vibrant, it caught up to oled n has supassed it. So like d OLED ppl they some are OLED black level Dense THICK! They only LIVE in the dark, n ether stay in the dark not come to to d bright side of TRUTH “how yr eyes r can see better--peak highlight, transition shades, more color”.
OK, so the images seen here about the mini LED screen are burned up but because of the camera. I can see much more detail on the LED screen; but if You say that the culprit is the camera that made the recording for this video, well then that's OK! I'll take a look.
I got to tell you after experiencing mini LED TV for a full year after having to get rid of it because of two accidents it makes a world of difference this is coming from a 32 inch 2009 TV and I'm still in the market for a 65 inch mini LED TV from only one brand Hisense and I'm not even waiting for the U8N model to come out it just 50% Improvement with 1600 local dimming Zone and 2000 nite brightness just my last year's model U8K
Some perspective on the issue of value for money? as an 80 year old with middling eyesight and lousy hearing, the important takeaway for me is "how much bleed do I get from the subtitles?" this video is an exciting insight, but it really is very very different for different people, thank you for posting, very best wishes :)
ok the funny part is when most testing was shown, the mini LED side seemed too bright so was not as clear or the brightness hid the pictures features.. the white square test was clearly showing the mini way better though. For example at 1:56 the top right and bottom right on the mini side look washed out VS the LED side.
That's because it simply gets much brighter and clips the camera. MiniLEDs do not appear to lose detail and have blown out highlights like this in person, or on better recorded videos. The ISO is adjusted to be able to see blooming in dark scenes, which has the effect of blowing out highlights that get too bright. What you are seeing isn't a negative, it is infact another benefit to MiniLED over traditional edgelit panels.
Min 3:36. The pictures with the Lions. Overall the LED (right hand side) is a better picture. In the Mini LED version the sky is darker at huge expense to the bright section of picture. Compare the lion at the right bottom corner.
I noticed that the highlights almost always blown with the mini led, and the led having more detail visible in these. The led often seems to have the better picture. I'm aware this is a YT video, but compared to the voice over, the images do a poor job of selling the case
Love my Sony X93L Mini Led - I feel like mini led is a merge between Oled and led, deep inky blacks with incredibly bright hdr. Truly the best of both worlds.
I just bought the X93L too...that is a slightly upgraded version of the previous year's X95K (which was a flagship model), yet cheaper than the current year's X95L. I think it is a very good high end TV for the money. I wanted brightness for a very bright room without the burn in worry of an OLED at high bright levels. So far so good. OLED also degrades over time. Maybe QLED will too, but you hear about it a lot more with OLED. Sony mini LED is a lot better than other brands so I don't think OLED has all that much over a Sony mini LED.
@@Jza-GZa40k Not true. On the X93L you get blooming, black smearing and ghosting. The OLED only has problems with bright full field scenes which are rare in HDR content. VRR flickering is the only thing in dark scenes for gaming. Every other scenes are better on OLED. Most moves are dark or ar 120 - 200 Nits full field. Specially the QD OLED Panels are great. The X95L is the best LED TV for now and can't beat OLED. It is good for an LED TV.
Beware - not all LG QNED86 are miniled... QNED86T6 is edge led, QNED863 is miniled, but they won't tell you how many leds and diming zones it has. It shall be "Precision Diming" but nobody say you what it means. They have "Precision Dimming Pro" and "Precision Dimming Pro+" too.
I just bought a mini LED TV as I always tend to shy away from OLED because of burn-marks. The TV is very bright, but I have noticed a problem. And that is motion blur. I have set all the motion-related settings to their max, but yet motion blurs still happen which I am definitely not used to. I had just a normal LED TV before this and there was never any motion blur, so I don't quite understand why. The other thing is the thinking that the brighter the better is not necessarily the case. This is especially true say when you turn off the lights to watch a movie. Mini LED is so bright that it could be bad for your eyes as I find it strains my eyes rather quickly. So, yes while it could wow you in a quick glance, but when it comes to extended viewing at night with lights off, it could have the opposite result.
My friend has a TCL mini LED and he said the same things you describe here plus he said some mini led die and he got these black like chiken pox around the screen like 4,6 disperse around the screen they are noticble in some movies
I think it’s because since mini LEDs have more “bulbs,” it requires more processing power. And Sony is top of the line for that. I’m a recent owner of the x90l(led) . Though I have to admit, the clarity is surreal with the x93l (mini led) that I saw on display. I don’t think uploaded videos on TH-cam does good justice
@@SuspiciousFrog69 Does the Sony X93L have motion blur? May be Sony's processing power can handle it? Clarity is not a problem with mini LED, but if you turn off the lights at night say for movies, that to me is too bright. But, mini LED is the trend because is cheap and bright plus people are going for bigger screen size these days.
I had a sony xh900 and switched to sony x95l 65inch, and both tv's are wonderfull can't notice a huge difference except the upscaling and the contrast on the sony x95l. I love sony, it has in my opinion a very good picture quality.
I just tested the 55" 60Hz Sony Bravia X80K Direct Lit LED vs 65" 120Hz TCL Q7 Full Array Mini-LED QLED for several weeks at home. I must say that as much as I like the deep blacks and contrast the TCL provides I think the Bravia did a phenomenal job at hiding its imperfections while it offered just ANOTHER level of picture detail, it was also brighter then a TV that claims 1000-nits peak. That said the Q7 can make its quality appear much better through efficient use of local dimming and upscales low res 480i TV much better. On sale they're only $100 apart or $800 and $1100 respectively full price. Now, I'm waiting for a 55" 144Hz 1500-nit HiSense U8K to compare again.
It was a decent TV but not without glitches and shortcomings, my remote died in 3 weeks.... A73 based processor was slow and the RAM would run so low when using Google TV it would crash to home screen. Not to mention it was 55lbs at only 55" and it used $40/year and didn't deliver perfect blacks. I went with a Full Array LED Sony Bravia instead and it's an upgrade in every aspect.
I found if you turn brightness right down to minimum and achieve any brightness via gamma, back light contrast etc, the bleed vanished and the blacks look inky.
I’ve always got the cheapest TV on a Black Friday sale, and this year (5 years past my last purchase of a Direct LED Hisense) was going to be no different until I fell into the Internet research rabbit hole. My Hisense TV is still working, but according to the Internet and store associates my Hisense is an outlier to still be working. My research had more money shaking out of my pocket. I learned about mini LED, and then I learned of the new ATSC 3.0 tuner for my antenna channels. That limited my TV choices to Hisense and Sony for the ATSC 3.0. Since learning how bad Hisense is overall and how expensive Sony is I wasn’t going to buy anything. But then I found a 55” Bravia 7 excellent condition open box at BB for $880. Big difference in quality.
I will stick with OLED. I thought about mini LED but OLED is just better. Burn in is nothing to worry about. I have had my Sony A80J since release day and I 0% burn in. I do regular tests just to see if anything at all was happening. I play PS5, Xbox and Nintendo on the TV. use apps, Apple TV, cable and my TV is on for 10 hours a day. Not one bit of burn in. Burn in happens if you put your TV on CNN for 24 hours a day for a month at max brightness.
Over the last few years at least, the TCL Full Array/BackLit (5 Series) TV has offered very good bang for the buck performance. Today I would pick up a TCL QM8, as the performance/cost ratio is excellent...
I actually preferred the pictures in this video from the standard LED TV. The mini LED TV to my eyes created over-brightened and contrasted areas that detracted from the rest of the scene and reduced texture and detail in the highly lit / contrasted area. Or to put it another way, the standard LED TV looked more natural in a way that I perceive things in real life. Of course that said, the mini LED TV may well have been much more faithful to the original source but if that is the case then I would be critical of the source.
The video is bad he has two tvs in the same shot. The camera cannot show both exposures at the same time so it has to choose one. Like if you look at your phone when you wake up it’s super bright but if you wait a few minutes it looks fine. The camera is exposed for the led to it looks right if he exposed for the mini led that would look right and the led would look dim.
I had an old edge lit Sony TV with VA panel from 2018 and I swear HDR was more impressive on that TV than my much much more expensive OLED TV from 2023. contrast was not as good but colors were more natural to my eyes and HDR tone mapping was more accurate in my opinion.
By the way I bought the Sony X900H, a FALD TV in 2021 after I saw your comparison with an OLED. Even with a 2 year old FALD TV, my TCL is night and day difference. The new Sony X90L is a very very good FALD TV comparable to budget Mini Leds.
Budget Mini-LEDs are something like I just bought a few weeks ago, the TCL Q7. Honestly with all the technology in it it didn't impress me more then a simple Bravia X80K. Sony was also only 55" vs 65" on the TCL and the picture quality is a non-contest, Sony wins if you can live with imperfect or milky black. TCL is still an awesome TV with a very beautiful screen and general build but it has a very slow MTK5889 processor to power it all and sometimes stutters.
I’m trying to decide between a Sony X85L, X90L (FLADs) or LG QNED85/86 (Mini-LED). We mostly watch cable TV and sports in a very bright room. Thoughts on if the mini LED will make a difference for us given our use case and the fact we almost never turn the all the lights off during movie nights?
@@danskyder1564 I would definitely go for a TCL QM8. Even though the X90L is a very good TV. But the QM8 has exceptional picture quality and is far brighter than the Sonys. LG QNEDs are Mehh
@@danskyder1564You need brightness ? Check out the HiSense U8K, 1500-nits of peak brightness and superb, I might even dare say near Sony level picture quality. It's their top of the line model, I just got it a day ago and it blows the TCL Q7 far away in literally every aspect while being 10" smaller, its only downside is it's quite heavy.
I found that full array LED and MiniLED are quite comparable. Edge lit is not. I found screen uniformity on FALD better than on MiniLED. You can also get a 98" FALD for half the price of a MiniLED version. What you do gain with MiniLED is brightness. While some FALD sets like the Sony Z9J can peak 3000 nits, most FALD sets peak at about 1000, whereas, MiniLED starts at 1500 and goes to about 2500. For a light controlled room, I personally bought a 98" FALD over the double price of the MiniLED as the brightness was not needed. While I would prefer an 83" OLED, until they come out with an 83" OLED with MLA or QD-OLED, Ill stick with my FALD 98". My progression was from a 75" MiniLED to a 77" WOLED to a 65" QD-OLED to a 98" FALD. The 98" has better uniformity than the 65" MiniLED and the 75" MiniLED which both showed blotches on the screen when local dimming is set to anything but high, which crushes small highlights way too much. Keep up the good videos. Both the 75" Sony Z9J FALD and 98" TCL FALD sets have perfect uniformity.
Yes!!! Like fuck dude miniLED has such horrible DSE and banding, NEVER had a problem with LEDs until miniLED, can’t even buy a Samsung without horrible DSE or even grid patterns across screen, miniLED sucks and it’s a sales scam.
@dontfearthereaper2887 dirty screen effect, it’s from cheap Chinese panels, so areas of LEDs are less bright then around it, and shows up as grayish brown blotch’s all over screen. 100% from Chinese panels
I bought a Hisense U8H 1½ year ago, it was my first TV. I love it. It got me interested in the multiple technologies that exist in the "TV world". Of course, OLED is still the best there is, but it's pricier, Mini LED is good quality for decent price, and it just keeps evolving. Can't wait to see where Mini LED will be in 2-3 years more when I upgrade.
The normal led had more details wheras the mini led some areas of the picture the brightness clipped the images so unable to see. In dark scenes the mini led definately did better. Because the mini ped is brighter is losing details. The companies need to balance the brightness so does not lose details.
Impressed indeed with performance of the mini led. Differences compared to the various techniques applied is there. Coming from a panasonic 4k led Viera 50 inch from 2017, I ordered the 55 inch mxw954 mini led. New in 2023. I looked at various options, oled, mini led, Sony LG Samsung Panasonic, also checked tcl 58 inch ... Specifically the tcl had less vibrant more flat color schema overall. The Bravia and Samsung oleds re great , so is the price. After giving up a bit , thinking to delay purchase I came across the Panasonic line up mini led og second half of 2023. Inr Production unboxing and demo and review videos checked , and yes, oled is more black and no blooming at all, the Panasonic comes very very close in blacks with even so good color and brightness. Compared with standard twintuners, reasonable sound and double ci+ card slot, and Moree favourable price tag, I made my choice. Yet again, impressions and personal choice can not be debated... One will take model x from manufacturer Y, soe. One else may choice very different. So observe carefully and choice what you feel good with. The explanatory videos are well received like this one, really helping you where to be looking for.... Thx!
The most important question that was asked is what am I watching. NEVER am I watching a square, ball, or words against a black background. Yeah, the sky looked cool in the comparison, but it's background against the animals in the foreground. In that regard, the depth of color and edge detail of the objects on screen were better on the LED tv. The mini LED looked pale and washed out. I couldn't see the defined separation between the smaller Lili pads, the mountain sides, green hillside etc. Could be a possible effect of the recording device and real life image might be better, but so far, I'm not impressed.
I agree, he over exposed the clipped the brights, there by showing more detail in the led. He did admit that he adjusted the contrast to show this on film and that is what you are seeing. I have used bad lcd blooming tv's and that bloom was so bad I had to get an oled. But I concede there might be a bit of extra shadow detail with the blooming. BUT that helpful blooming in shadows is awful for night sky scenes.
Normal FALD Led like Sony x95j has less blooming and better blacks than the x95k mini led. But x95k has a bit better highlights. Maybe this LG has not enough dimming zones, it should not bloom like that. 5:16
While I believe minLED is probably better, maybe much better, I preferred the LED in your comparison. Perhaps, the problem is in your filming of the two sides or maybe it's because my monitor setting are not optimum. Many times, I watch a review of new tvs and think 'wow, that's really great' and then remember I am viewing it on a so-so monitor. Maybe I don't need a better TV.
I believe the picture quality has more to do with how well the processing is as opposed to just the size of the led’s. Sony TV’s are renowned for their high quality processors and some of their models with regular sized led’s look every bit as good as some TV’s that have mini-led’s but inferior processors. I have had a top of the line Sony led tv in their XBR line albeit with a resolution capacity of only 1080p for about 10 years now and it has been absolutely excellent as I have it hooked up to my Yamaha 5.1 channel AVR with atmos capability by a digital toslink connection so that I get reasonably good sound quality as well as a very good picture. Ten years is a long time for a tv to still be working without any issues so it isn’t very hard to support that Sony is at the very least making tv’s that have a fantastic longevity to them. I want to upgrade to a 4K capable tv and I find that with the experience I’ve had it is going to take something very special to get me to switch brands. Sony does sell at a premium price point but I’m largely okay with that if everything else is reasonably close when it comes to picture quality. All the other extras are of little consequence to me if the picture quality doesn’t measure up. I believe that if one were to be so simple as to just choose a tv just on one or two factors while denying the most important one you would be making a mistake. There are more than just Sony that are making very good tv’s so if I find one that satisfies my desires in the picture quality department that also fits my budget it might just be time to open my wallet and relegate my perfectly good Sony to someone who needs a tv but can’t necessarily afford a new one.
I wouldn't rush to go 4k. Recently, I switch from 4k to 1080 to see the difference in movies and there is hardly a difference at all. I've been watching 4k movies for a decade and thought it was important until I changed the setting back to 1080 as I was perfectly fine.
I really wish you would have compared many LED with full ray LED TV. With no dimming zones. The edge let LED the purpose for that is a thin TV for wall mounting.
Reducing screen size is usually a very bad advise! SIZE matters! The important thing is, that the TV is the right size for the room (better too big than too small). If you're on a tight budget, I will advise you to wait a little and save some more or look at used TVs; downsizing will just make you question your purchase every day, when you sit in front of your TV... By the way, OLED is the way to go, and if you go for last years model at sale, they are usually not more expensive than an Mini-LED...
A very high end mini led tv side by side to an OLED, dark or night scenes are still very obvious to me. It's where you have a bright room and need the extra brightness. If it's not movie theater dark, I'd probably agree with you. But most people would be better off saving some money and enjoying the brighter TV. It's definitely close, but very hard to beat an OLED. Comparison was in very dark room. With 65" LG C2 vs 65" Hisense H8K.
Why do the more expensive Lg models 55QNED823RE use Edge led, while the cheaper 43QNED753RA or 43UR73003LA, which is a regular model, use D Led? What's better than that?
Miniled has better blacks , and more contrast , superior picture , just like oled . Lcd is back lit so the light is always on and makes dark scenes look gray , light blead , lcd is old tech and inferior picture quality.
Just a couple years ago lots of people posting videos about Plasma and CRT being the superior technologies. My main concern is good content. The better the content the less I am concerned with the display tech.
comparing full array on the right, with mini led would be a better comparison. I would have shown all 3 if you had the means. Edge-Lit is a dinosaur technology reserved for entry level sub-$300 TV's.
i just bought an 55QNED86T3A and the blacks are poor, it's like in the right TV from your video with that white square, i wonder if it's something from the settings or the TV it's just that bad, i own a 2019 led Samsung and the blacks look way better than on the LG QNED
That is a shitty tv.. i had it.. horrible pwm flickering. And colors are just shit. Black lvl were good.. only good thing. But dont buy it. A fucking disaster.
Its all down to each persons perspective. Long as its a decent picture all the bells and whistles are a waste of money. Many just switch the tv to movie mode anyway to get the cinematic exsperiance. So most tvs pictures will look the same anyway
They said that the miniLED is the newer tech and a better picture than the normal LED but they say the Sony tv's like the x90l is very good nearly same as oled's. So would a cheaper tcl qm8, hisense u7k miniLED tv be a better buy than a Sony x90l?
I have an QD OLED (AW3423DW) and a mini LED (AOC AG344UXM). Sure the QD OLED is better but I will be sticking with mini over the OLED. Mini LED doesn't burn in and looks amazing. Again not as close as OLED but still good enough. Standard LED will always look bad to me after being able to use both of these techs. Also you can see a huge difference in contrast in the vids you were showing, not sure why you said in some scenes its hard to tell? Its extremely easy to tell which is which as mini LED can get brighter in areas and darker in others while still retaining detail, not like OLED but close.
I don't know what he recorded his video with but it was WAY overexposed. He should have set it to manual so he could control those blown highlights. It made both TVs look bad. (I mean the scenes other than the blooming tests.)
@@Da-ikennah, 100% sure most people chooses leds tv because they're cheaper and have a good enough quality, you won't even be able tell much the blacks if your lights aren't turned off, even with normal led tvs it's not that noticeable until you turn the lights off
Just ordered the Qned81 55", (LG doing a good price right now at £636). Then I heard about the qned86 mini-LED, and started to consider changing it. However, as I will want to occasionally move the TV to another surface, the 55" mini-led is 4.4kg heavier, and according the comments here, the qned86 has its negatives. Sticking with the Qned81! It looked great in store.
I have a 2021 LG 75NANO90UPA and turned local dimming off due to blooming and lighting fluctuations while watching Dolby Vision content. I should have returned it when I had the chance. It is really noticeable and irritating when watching the Godfather opening sequence, the same with Cray Rich Asians. I’ll be getting a 77” OLED set when I get the money saved up. I will test it with the GF and CRA before I buy one.
Also, some companies TVs like Sony Samsung and LG are just better than the competition. Not that this is a knock on any other brands TVs but a Sony 900 L is a full array LED TV and it looks better than anything from the competition. (in my opinion) Depending on the quality source of video, you’re getting the difference between a full array LED and a mini LED is not that big. if you have something like a 4K Blu-ray, the difference is going to be really hard to see compared to something that has bad picture and sound quality like any streaming service. But let’s be real if you’re going to only stream you might as well just buy the cheap TVs for $100 on Black Friday. (streaming looks like bad compared to even a standard blue Blu-ray.)
I had a 77 lg gx oled...but i just spent 5k for a 98" Samsung LED Q80c and it was worth it. In tv world Bigger is always better. I cant wait until i get a 98" 8k
I would love to see a comparison between the OLED and full array dimming. From what I researched, manufacturers claim "local dimming" but if it's edge lit or "global" dimming that is NOT as good as a full array. Obviously, standard LED will be far different from OLED, but I have seen articles saying if you have the full array it's quite good. I welcome any info and sorry if I'm using incorrect terminology. We are still watching TV on a 15+ year Panasonic and it's time to upgrade! :)
@@marciehrhart I went with the TCL Q7. The picture is beautiful! It's just a full array. OLED is the top tier but I didn't like that it needs a dark room to perform the best. Any TV will look better in a dark room.
I am not sure the difference would be evident among most viewers. If you did an A/B test I don’t think many viewers could tell the difference. The side by side you can see some differences but I am not sure paying the premium for most viewers would be worth it to them. I personally like a larger size TV in general. I do think the viewing distance is the primary driver of screen size and of course personal preference. Just my opinion, of course.
Your right. Most (95+%) cant. It's when we see these types of yt videos that we start making the "better" decisions. Once I started watchin yt the cost of my tv purchases went up. When I shopped with my eyes it was way cheaper
Great review! I wonder if qled (like the tcl c655) would be in terms of quality in the middle of led and mini led? I want to buy one, and tcl qled is slighly more expensive than the regular led (about 100 pounds) but far cheapper than a miniled (about 800 pounds). That make me guess... is the qled quite similar to the cheappest led?
If your afraid of burn in and want to be close to OLD a mini led from a top high-end brand is to go. Owner of qn95b and i will never trade it for les then OLD or the newest QD-Led tech.
as a normal normal screen user normal ips tv's bloom is exaggrated. u must be threw it from 4th floor or hit it with gun for the acquare that much fking bloom wtf is that. thanks for the video it is very helpfull to understand
Get the U7K . U7H is GREAT tho. Just U7K this year is d first time how the 1 tier down SUPER close to the flagship U8K. I have seen it in store 65” . Beside Sony X90L. It made Sony X90L look like 1.5 tier down. Also Hisense is well known to have SINIFICANTLY much better Speakers than TCL. They carry speakers that those common $3000-4000 TVs have. Understand that most ppl just care about visua not sound. One of those features that ppl did NOT know they needed it till they have it. Just like ppl looking for car, end up getting a car with 12 BOSE speakers,,,,,then next upgrade, they ONLY want cars with NICE speakers that was me . Hisense has REALLY nice speakers they make those $300-400 sound bars MUCH inferior.
@@birdtj82 Hey i got the u8hq and best tv i have ever had or seen at a friends/family house.Sound is 10/10,design is clean,and the picture is just wow.I highly recommend the tv.The 120 hz for gaming is so good i will never go back to 60hz.
Whats your guys thoughts on LG 75QNED916QE vs Samsungs QN85C vs Philips PML9008. They all have mini led but at serious price differences in my country.
No doubt miniLED is getting much better blacks and contrast but it is doing terribly on bright spots, it loses lots of details and colour there. I'm still in dilemma on which one to choose.
Hello ! Thanks for the great review! May we please know how to make that light dot test on the dark test, is it a code ? or just we launch a video alike ? thanks!
Crikey, a 50" used to be a big TV, but now it's a small variant. I live in a small flat and really can't go bigger than a 50". Still, glad I am fussing over TV resolution and pixels than being homeless or something horrible.
Can plasma tv look better than mini led ? I have Samsung 8500 51 inn plasma and Sony Xr95k 65 inn mini les I feel plasma look 👀 more real in black contrast…The future is goin to be micro led right now is so expensive
I have a good plasma tv and I think the mini leds look better, not only that but they also have much higher brightness, more accurate colors, better resolution, less input lag, faster refresh rate...
Wrong information. Typically on an Edge LED TV you get LESS (no!) Blooming around subtitles. There is no dimming (only in bigger stripes on some models, but normaly on Edge LED TVs you have no dimming like on Mini LED or Local Dimming TVs with Direct LEDs). Mainly these TVs work with Global Dimming, which dims the whole screen in a dark scene. But with Mini LED TVs you can get much more Blooming, specially behind smaller objects, because it will dim with much more zones. Also other dimming sideeffects can be very annoying. Specially if you came from an Edge LED TV. The Contrast is much lower, but the picture is much more stable compared to Mini LED. That´s why i recommend OLED.
THIS IS WHAT I KEEP SAYING!!!🤣🤣🤣 I HAD A 2014 SAMSUNG UN65HU9000 CURVE! IT WAS $7000 NEW, IT WAS EDGE IT AND HAD ZERO BLOOMING!!! miniLED has horrible DSE and grid patterns to
Also my edge lit had more contests, it only had around 450nits of brightness because edge lit, but it had a 4000:1 contrast, my Sony 2022 X95K 65in has 2000:1, older is better!! Just watch and see, miniLED will go out of style and there start coming back with edge lit and LCD, Samsung is doing this now, making IPS panels, bringing back old technology because they know miniLED is trash, in fact Samsung ain’t even in LEDs anymore, QD-OLED (more trash) is Samsungs priority right now, but any LED they make is ISP, I have QN85A ADS panel, has better contrast and color then miniLED
The QNED81 is not just edge lit or direct lit with global dimming, it has LD, just a terrible example of it. LG has a stupid name for it but essentially its "column dimming", as opposed an array of cells with FALD or MiniLED FALD. The QNED81 has 6 "zones" (ie columns), while the QNED86 has 180 zones (in 65") split into an array, hence why it looks so much better than the 81 in this video. A more stark comparison would be something like the Hisense U8K, as it has 1008 zones in the 65" size, it isn't much more expensive than the QNED81 and is actually cheaper than the QNED86. I agree TVs with LD that don't have enough zones look worse than a direct or edge lit TV with global dimming, but as long as you have around 32 zones minimum I think its better than no LD at all, since then the black level raises along with the brightest element on screen.
I agree with a lot of what you say but looking at your samples, the mini LED looks too bright - this had the effect of washing out the highlights and reducing detail. Watch the video and you'll see what I mean!
It’s the camera. MINI LED is d same BRIGHTNESS level as iPhone 14PRO and 15pro. For iPhone it AUTO dims it especially indoor n at dark. N auto brightens. If any TH-camr…yes i say ANY ,, shuts off “automatic sensor”, then do NOT leave it dark enough or their camera struggles shooing a BRIGHT image that is NOT bright but just looks bright in pitch black room. Then its d camera issue. Yeah check iPhone 14PRO 15pro with a phone thats much dimmer in generic bright room like Apple Store. The OLEDs are same level dim as iPhone 7 8 x XS 11pro level. 550-860nits. Beside mini LED , matching 15pro level….as soon as lights on. Or day time,,,,The dark one looks like dim goo. :)
@@geoffhemingway3926 dude u don’t understand my reasoning cuz u def dont sound like u take a lot of pics with smart phone or professional camera. Just pull your phone out of pocket , put a laptop beside a TV both screen on. MAKER sure in PITCH BLACK room, tap to aim at the dimmer whichever u have on laptop or tv , see what happens to d other one . U try it out it will help with the reasoning :)
I have both oled and miniled. Oled is best for gaming/streaming platform like netflix/disney+tprime video etc. Miniled is improved version of led tv with lesser light leak.best all rounder tv.heavy tv also
I know that this is resurrecting an old comment, but someone commented in this same video that not all LG QNED86 models are mini led. Look for the comment of "@thePavuk".
I completely disagree, if the same brand, say Sony, backlit led vs mini led go for 75 inch back lit led instead of 65 mini led. The size difference is much more than the actual image quality difference.
I never have blooming on Edge LED TV. And they usually don't have blooming around subtitles. You can see RTINGS test about it. My TV is with VA panel. Is your Edge TV with IPS panel? You know the difference between IPS and VA, don't you? Is your Edge TV on maximum brightness? You found some very bad TV and you are making general conclusions? I can make the video with the opposite result, it is not that hard.
The actual picture , normal led looks better to me , more saturated color and black . But if you test for the square light only , the is blooming on led . But no Hollywood movies or tv shows with just the square light . I think technology is misleading us , because the tv makers want to promote their new tech tv , so they create this blooming tester square light , over black screen . but we watch movies not the bloming tester.
Dimitry, my reflecrions are based on checking out miniled , oled qled and full array led fron 2023. Impressed i am stil very much by the panasonic miniled. I gave a reflection also that i came from led viera panasonic 2017 already a very capabale machine, however in 5 years technics have improved. Also i reflected that choice and appreciation of colors , build quality and formats are personal, and sharing my opinionn and experience, just to share. Rest me to say that i think this does resonate from my update. Perhaps you want to explain what you think you read in it ? Enjoy reading my friend and keep on sharing insights on tv technics and lets appreciate that diffirent persons have diffirent story telling and opnions....
I currently have a Samsung 55" 4K TV. It's about 7 years old so obviously I assume it's edge lit. I think it looks great, but I also got it for free because the place I used to work gave you a choice of anniversary presents every 5 years you were there. But yesterday I was at Walmart and walked by a pallet of Samsung 75" 4K TVs that were selling for $686USD. It didn't say QLED or OLED or MiniLED, so I'm guessing it is full array regular LED, because would they really still be using edge lighting all these years later? I have not kept up with TV pricing at all but assume that a MiniLED or OLED 75" would cost at least double what this one cost. If this Samsung does have full array standard LEDs I think $686 is a fantastic price for a huge 75" TV. In the end it doesn't really matter because I can't afford to buy it even at this price....
Reading some comments I am actually quite surprised how so many people havent caught up with technology, even to compare Mini Led with Edge Lit. Details are not washed out on Mini Led, its the camera! I have a TCL C935 and all I can say is that Mini LED is GENERATIONS ahead of Edge Lit TVs. Buy one and figure it out yourselves rather than talk absolute nonsense. I would never watch a movie on an Edge Lit TV ever again. The difference is far bigger than the camera can capture.
Wow u got the 9 series!! Thoes are the BEST. I thought they were hard to find apparently BESTBUY HATES Hisense n TCL . They were makeing some excuse to Stop Displaying TCL 8 Series on floor. Because Hisense n TCL make the Big 3 mid range tv look like dog sh…
Same, qn90c 43 inches looks amazing, far better than any plasma and almost OLED level quality, specially at a room with the lights turned on (and for more than 400 dollars cheaper here in my country)
@@Gadottinho yeah,,Did u see the CES 2024 the Hisense n TCL?? The MINI LEDs are so bright vibrant, it caught up to oled n has supassed it. So like d OLED ppl they some are OLED black level Dense THICK! They only LIVE in the dark, n ether stay in the dark not come to to d bright side of TRUTH “how yr eyes r can see better--peak highlight, transition shades, more color”.
OK, so the images seen here about the mini LED screen are burned up but because of the camera. I can see much more detail on the LED screen; but if You say that the culprit is the camera that made the recording for this video, well then that's OK! I'll take a look.
As soon as I saw the blown out highlights on the Mini LED I knew this video was going to be a poor comparison. The camera exposure is set to high.
I’ve just bought the TCL C845 55” for my outdoor area, and it’s amazing for the price
I bought a Samsung Neo Qled which is mini LED last Black Friday and coming from a normal LED it's a huge difference, especially when it comes to HDR
I got to tell you after experiencing mini LED TV for a full year after having to get rid of it because of two accidents it makes a world of difference this is coming from a 32 inch 2009 TV and I'm still in the market for a 65 inch mini LED TV from only one brand Hisense and I'm not even waiting for the U8N model to come out it just 50% Improvement with 1600 local dimming Zone and 2000 nite brightness just my last year's model U8K
Some perspective on the issue of value for money? as an 80 year old with middling eyesight and lousy hearing, the important takeaway for me is "how much bleed do I get from the subtitles?" this video is an exciting insight, but it really is very very different for different people, thank you for posting, very best wishes :)
Get the biggest tv you can afford from a decent brand
tbh, get the best projector you can afford
ok the funny part is when most testing was shown, the mini LED side seemed too bright so was not as clear or the brightness hid the pictures features.. the white square test was clearly showing the mini way better though. For example at 1:56 the top right and bottom right on the mini side look washed out VS the LED side.
This!!!
That's because it simply gets much brighter and clips the camera. MiniLEDs do not appear to lose detail and have blown out highlights like this in person, or on better recorded videos. The ISO is adjusted to be able to see blooming in dark scenes, which has the effect of blowing out highlights that get too bright. What you are seeing isn't a negative, it is infact another benefit to MiniLED over traditional edgelit panels.
Min 3:36. The pictures with the Lions. Overall the LED (right hand side) is a better picture. In the Mini LED version the sky is darker at huge expense to the bright section of picture. Compare the lion at the right bottom corner.
In real life, mini led is a better picture. Keep in mind it's a youtube video
I noticed that the highlights almost always blown with the mini led, and the led having more detail visible in these. The led often seems to have the better picture. I'm aware this is a YT video, but compared to the voice over, the images do a poor job of selling the case
Love my Sony X93L Mini Led - I feel like mini led is a merge between Oled and led, deep inky blacks with incredibly bright hdr. Truly the best of both worlds.
Nah... not even close to an OLED TV. When it comes to LED itself it may higher the contrast, but also gives you many sideeffetcs.
I just bought the X93L too...that is a slightly upgraded version of the previous year's X95K (which was a flagship model), yet cheaper than the current year's X95L. I think it is a very good high end TV for the money. I wanted brightness for a very bright room without the burn in worry of an OLED at high bright levels. So far so good. OLED also degrades over time. Maybe QLED will too, but you hear about it a lot more with OLED. Sony mini LED is a lot better than other brands so I don't think OLED has all that much over a Sony mini LED.
@@Da-iken OLED has wayyyy worse side effects and are no where near as good in light pictures.
@@Jza-GZa40k Not true. On the X93L you get blooming, black smearing and ghosting. The OLED only has problems with bright full field scenes which are rare in HDR content. VRR flickering is the only thing in dark scenes for gaming. Every other scenes are better on OLED. Most moves are dark or ar 120 - 200 Nits full field. Specially the QD OLED Panels are great.
The X95L is the best LED TV for now and can't beat OLED. It is good for an LED TV.
Beware - not all LG QNED86 are miniled... QNED86T6 is edge led, QNED863 is miniled, but they won't tell you how many leds and diming zones it has. It shall be "Precision Diming" but nobody say you what it means. They have "Precision Dimming Pro" and "Precision Dimming Pro+" too.
Yes. I have almost fell for the scam that stores do. Absolutel dogshit
lol wtf😊
This kind of deceiving marketing should have repercussions.
is 55QNED86T3A miniled?
I just bought a mini LED TV as I always tend to shy away from OLED because of burn-marks. The TV is very bright, but I have noticed a problem. And that is motion blur. I have set all the motion-related settings to their max, but yet motion blurs still happen which I am definitely not used to. I had just a normal LED TV before this and there was never any motion blur, so I don't quite understand why. The other thing is the thinking that the brighter the better is not necessarily the case. This is especially true say when you turn off the lights to watch a movie. Mini LED is so bright that it could be bad for your eyes as I find it strains my eyes rather quickly. So, yes while it could wow you in a quick glance, but when it comes to extended viewing at night with lights off, it could have the opposite result.
My friend has a TCL mini LED and he said the same things you describe here plus he said some mini led die and he got these black like chiken pox around the screen like 4,6 disperse around the screen they are noticble in some movies
@@RedSavage7 your friend got a faulty unit. had myself a qn90a mini led and never had any problem
@@akbarekt yeah he got unlucky maybe but I think is best OLed but maybe not for 8 years time frame he wants a 10 or 8 year T.V upgrade kinda thing
I think it’s because since mini LEDs have more “bulbs,” it requires more processing power. And Sony is top of the line for that. I’m a recent owner of the x90l(led) . Though I have to admit, the clarity is surreal with the x93l (mini led) that I saw on display. I don’t think uploaded videos on TH-cam does good justice
@@SuspiciousFrog69 Does the Sony X93L have motion blur? May be Sony's processing power can handle it? Clarity is not a problem with mini LED, but if you turn off the lights at night say for movies, that to me is too bright. But, mini LED is the trend because is cheap and bright plus people are going for bigger screen size these days.
I had a sony xh900 and switched to sony x95l 65inch, and both tv's are wonderfull can't notice a huge difference except the upscaling and the contrast on the sony x95l.
I love sony, it has in my opinion a very good picture quality.
Blooming was very known in your xh90 while panasonic went very clean compared to the sony topmodel leds
TCL fixed most of it with mini led backpannel inside the Q8M series. Own one from 3 week its absolutely Mind Blowing !
I just tested the 55" 60Hz Sony Bravia X80K Direct Lit LED vs 65" 120Hz TCL Q7 Full Array Mini-LED QLED for several weeks at home.
I must say that as much as I like the deep blacks and contrast the TCL provides I think the Bravia did a phenomenal job at hiding its imperfections while it offered just ANOTHER level of picture detail, it was also brighter then a TV that claims 1000-nits peak.
That said the Q7 can make its quality appear much better through efficient use of local dimming and upscales low res 480i TV much better.
On sale they're only $100 apart or $800 and $1100 respectively full price.
Now, I'm waiting for a 55" 144Hz 1500-nit HiSense U8K to compare again.
How's the high sense? I just got the U7 55inch with the 144 refresh rate but it's still boxed because I'm moving my rooms around.
It was a decent TV but not without glitches and shortcomings, my remote died in 3 weeks....
A73 based processor was slow and the RAM would run so low when using Google TV it would crash to home screen.
Not to mention it was 55lbs at only 55" and it used $40/year and didn't deliver perfect blacks.
I went with a Full Array LED Sony Bravia instead and it's an upgrade in every aspect.
I found if you turn brightness right down to minimum and achieve any brightness via gamma, back light contrast etc, the bleed vanished and the blacks look inky.
I’ve always got the cheapest TV on a Black Friday sale, and this year (5 years past my last purchase of a Direct LED Hisense) was going to be no different until I fell into the Internet research rabbit hole. My Hisense TV is still working, but according to the Internet and store associates my Hisense is an outlier to still be working. My research had more money shaking out of my pocket. I learned about mini LED, and then I learned of the new ATSC 3.0 tuner for my antenna channels. That limited my TV choices to Hisense and Sony for the ATSC 3.0. Since learning how bad Hisense is overall and how expensive Sony is I wasn’t going to buy anything. But then I found a 55” Bravia 7 excellent condition open box at BB for $880. Big difference in quality.
I will stick with OLED. I thought about mini LED but OLED is just better. Burn in is nothing to worry about. I have had my Sony A80J since release day and I 0% burn in. I do regular tests just to see if anything at all was happening. I play PS5, Xbox and Nintendo on the TV. use apps, Apple TV, cable and my TV is on for 10 hours a day. Not one bit of burn in. Burn in happens if you put your TV on CNN for 24 hours a day for a month at max brightness.
Over the last few years at least, the TCL Full Array/BackLit (5 Series) TV has offered very good bang for the buck performance. Today I would pick up a TCL QM8, as the performance/cost ratio is excellent...
I actually preferred the pictures in this video from the standard LED TV. The mini LED TV to my eyes created over-brightened and contrasted areas that detracted from the rest of the scene and reduced texture and detail in the highly lit / contrasted area. Or to put it another way, the standard LED TV looked more natural in a way that I perceive things in real life. Of course that said, the mini LED TV may well have been much more faithful to the original source but if that is the case then I would be critical of the source.
The video is bad he has two tvs in the same shot. The camera cannot show both exposures at the same time so it has to choose one. Like if you look at your phone when you wake up it’s super bright but if you wait a few minutes it looks fine. The camera is exposed for the led to it looks right if he exposed for the mini led that would look right and the led would look dim.
I had an old edge lit Sony TV with VA panel from 2018 and I swear HDR was more impressive on that TV than my much much more expensive OLED TV from 2023. contrast was not as good but colors were more natural to my eyes and HDR tone mapping was more accurate in my opinion.
a jaki oled?
By the way I bought the Sony X900H, a FALD TV in 2021 after I saw your comparison with an OLED. Even with a 2 year old FALD TV, my TCL is night and day difference. The new Sony X90L is a very very good FALD TV comparable to budget Mini Leds.
Budget Mini-LEDs are something like I just bought a few weeks ago, the TCL Q7.
Honestly with all the technology in it it didn't impress me more then a simple Bravia X80K.
Sony was also only 55" vs 65" on the TCL and the picture quality is a non-contest, Sony wins if you can live with imperfect or milky black.
TCL is still an awesome TV with a very beautiful screen and general build but it has a very slow MTK5889 processor to power it all and sometimes stutters.
I’m trying to decide between a Sony X85L, X90L (FLADs) or LG QNED85/86 (Mini-LED). We mostly watch cable TV and sports in a very bright room. Thoughts on if the mini LED will make a difference for us given our use case and the fact we almost never turn the all the lights off during movie nights?
@@danskyder1564 I would definitely go for a TCL QM8. Even though the X90L is a very good TV. But the QM8 has exceptional picture quality and is far brighter than the Sonys. LG QNEDs are Mehh
@@g00dl00kinb0i You can always opt for the QM8
@@danskyder1564You need brightness ?
Check out the HiSense U8K, 1500-nits of peak brightness and superb, I might even dare say near Sony level picture quality.
It's their top of the line model, I just got it a day ago and it blows the TCL Q7 far away in literally every aspect while being 10" smaller, its only downside is it's quite heavy.
I found that full array LED and MiniLED are quite comparable. Edge lit is not. I found screen uniformity on FALD better than on MiniLED. You can also get a 98" FALD for half the price of a MiniLED version. What you do gain with MiniLED is brightness. While some FALD sets like the Sony Z9J can peak 3000 nits, most FALD sets peak at about 1000, whereas, MiniLED starts at 1500 and goes to about 2500. For a light controlled room, I personally bought a 98" FALD over the double price of the MiniLED as the brightness was not needed. While I would prefer an 83" OLED, until they come out with an 83" OLED with MLA or QD-OLED, Ill stick with my FALD 98". My progression was from a 75" MiniLED to a 77" WOLED to a 65" QD-OLED to a 98" FALD. The 98" has better uniformity than the 65" MiniLED and the 75" MiniLED which both showed blotches on the screen when local dimming is set to anything but high, which crushes small highlights way too much. Keep up the good videos. Both the 75" Sony Z9J FALD and 98" TCL FALD sets have perfect uniformity.
Yes!!! Like fuck dude miniLED has such horrible DSE and banding, NEVER had a problem with LEDs until miniLED, can’t even buy a Samsung without horrible DSE or even grid patterns across screen, miniLED sucks and it’s a sales scam.
@dontfearthereaper2887 dirty screen effect, it’s from cheap Chinese panels, so areas of LEDs are less bright then around it, and shows up as grayish brown blotch’s all over screen. 100% from Chinese panels
I bought a Hisense U8H 1½ year ago, it was my first TV. I love it. It got me interested in the multiple technologies that exist in the "TV world".
Of course, OLED is still the best there is, but it's pricier, Mini LED is good quality for decent price, and it just keeps evolving. Can't wait to see where Mini LED will be in 2-3 years more when I upgrade.
The normal led had more details wheras the mini led some areas of the picture the brightness clipped the images so unable to see. In dark scenes the mini led definately did better. Because the mini ped is brighter is losing details. The companies need to balance the brightness so does not lose details.
I agree. I did not like it at all. Makes me want to go out and buy a nice standard LED set while they still make good ones.
Bought TLC c835, ps5, movies, everything, blown away!
Impressed indeed with performance of the mini led. Differences compared to the various techniques applied is there. Coming from a panasonic 4k led Viera 50 inch from 2017, I ordered the 55 inch mxw954 mini led. New in 2023. I looked at various options, oled, mini led, Sony LG Samsung Panasonic, also checked tcl 58 inch ... Specifically the tcl had less vibrant more flat color schema overall. The Bravia and Samsung oleds re great , so is the price. After giving up a bit , thinking to delay purchase I came across the Panasonic line up mini led og second half of 2023. Inr
Production unboxing and demo and review videos checked , and yes, oled is more black and no blooming at all, the Panasonic comes very very close in blacks with even so good color and brightness. Compared with standard twintuners, reasonable sound and double ci+ card slot, and Moree favourable price tag, I made my choice. Yet again, impressions and personal choice can not be debated... One will take model x from manufacturer Y, soe. One else may choice very different. So observe carefully and choice what you feel good with. The explanatory videos are well received like this one, really helping you where to be looking for.... Thx!
What is your native language?
@@dmitrys.4741 hello , just like to know why do you ask?
So which Panasonic did you buy. You say alot but no model numbers which would be helpful
The most important question that was asked is what am I watching. NEVER am I watching a square, ball, or words against a black background. Yeah, the sky looked cool in the comparison, but it's background against the animals in the foreground. In that regard, the depth of color and edge detail of the objects on screen were better on the LED tv. The mini LED looked pale and washed out. I couldn't see the defined separation between the smaller Lili pads, the mountain sides, green hillside etc. Could be a possible effect of the recording device and real life image might be better, but so far, I'm not impressed.
I agree, he over exposed the clipped the brights, there by showing more detail in the led. He did admit that he adjusted the contrast to show this on film and that is what you are seeing. I have used bad lcd blooming tv's and that bloom was so bad I had to get an oled. But I concede there might be a bit of extra shadow detail with the blooming. BUT that helpful blooming in shadows is awful for night sky scenes.
Me neither.
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This was incredible. Wow, very detailed too. Imagine if you compared monitors, TVs, oled you’ll be a must watch!
Only for the uneducated; this is not as simple as he implies! The specifik models mean more, than just the technology they use...
Great video! Do you have a comparison between MiniLED and DirectLED, because that should be closer than vs EdgeLED.
TVs, TVs... but look at THAT beautiful room... wonderful!!!
I am using a full array Sony tv and it’s the sweet spot among LED technology i would say, very good contrast and brightness
Not really, blooming until the doctor arrives. Panasonic is levels ahead
@@Horvat04sadly Panasonic have abandoned the market here in Australia. Bugger!
Depends on the source, if you play Dolby Vision or HDR10+, Mini LED outplays the conventilnal one.
Normal FALD Led like Sony x95j has less blooming and better blacks than the x95k mini led. But x95k has a bit better highlights. Maybe this LG has not enough dimming zones, it should not bloom like that. 5:16
Is full aray not as good as mini led?
While I believe minLED is probably better, maybe much better, I preferred the LED in your comparison. Perhaps, the problem is in your filming of the two sides or maybe it's because my monitor setting are not optimum. Many times, I watch a review of new tvs and think 'wow, that's really great' and then remember I am viewing it on a so-so monitor. Maybe I don't need a better TV.
Coming from an oled to a miniled and very happy.
What do you prefer?
@@allthingstechhe wouldn’t be happy if he preferred the OLED, I would have thought
@@allthingstech the brightness and my oled E7 we had developed burn in with a tv channel logo.
Samsung qn90b masterpiece mini LED TV
@@trumpameri1638true, the qn90c 43 and 50 inches are good too
I believe the picture quality has more to do with how well the processing is as opposed to just the size of the led’s. Sony TV’s are renowned for their high quality processors and some of their models with regular sized led’s look every bit as good as some TV’s that have mini-led’s but inferior processors. I have had a top of the line Sony led tv in their XBR line albeit with a resolution capacity of only 1080p for about 10 years now and it has been absolutely excellent as I have it hooked up to my Yamaha 5.1 channel AVR with atmos capability by a digital toslink connection so that I get reasonably good sound quality as well as a very good picture. Ten years is a long time for a tv to still be working without any issues so it isn’t very hard to support that Sony is at the very least making tv’s that have a fantastic longevity to them. I want to upgrade to a 4K capable tv and I find that with the experience I’ve had it is going to take something very special to get me to switch brands. Sony does sell at a premium price point but I’m largely okay with that if everything else is reasonably close when it comes to picture quality. All the other extras are of little consequence to me if the picture quality doesn’t measure up. I believe that if one were to be so simple as to just choose a tv just on one or two factors while denying the most important one you would be making a mistake. There are more than just Sony that are making very good tv’s so if I find one that satisfies my desires in the picture quality department that also fits my budget it might just be time to open my wallet and relegate my perfectly good Sony to someone who needs a tv but can’t necessarily afford a new one.
I wouldn't rush to go 4k. Recently, I switch from 4k to 1080 to see the difference in movies and there is hardly a difference at all. I've been watching 4k movies for a decade and thought it was important until I changed the setting back to 1080 as I was perfectly fine.
I really wish you would have compared many LED with full ray LED TV. With no dimming zones. The edge let LED the purpose for that is a thin TV for wall mounting.
how nice: a video without music! I like it
Reducing screen size is usually a very bad advise!
SIZE matters!
The important thing is, that the TV is the right size for the room (better too big than too small). If you're on a tight budget, I will advise you to wait a little and save some more or look at used TVs; downsizing will just make you question your purchase every day, when you sit in front of your TV...
By the way, OLED is the way to go, and if you go for last years model at sale, they are usually not more expensive than an Mini-LED...
You’re right i have experienced the led tv, the darker scenes look terrible.
If the mini led is as near to oled for blacks,surely this is the way to go to stop the static image burn in problems
Mini LED 99% same black like OLED TV... but mini LED no burn in and no ABL OLED
A very high end mini led tv side by side to an OLED, dark or night scenes are still very obvious to me. It's where you have a bright room and need the extra brightness. If it's not movie theater dark, I'd probably agree with you. But most people would be better off saving some money and enjoying the brighter TV. It's definitely close, but very hard to beat an OLED.
Comparison was in very dark room. With 65" LG C2 vs 65" Hisense H8K.
90% @@trumpameri1638
I have a 55” Q60C Qled edge lit tv and I have no blooming. I watch the tv in my bedroom mostly with the lights off.
Why do the more expensive Lg models 55QNED823RE use Edge led, while the cheaper 43QNED753RA or 43UR73003LA, which is a regular model, use D Led? What's better than that?
Miniled has better blacks , and more contrast , superior picture , just like oled .
Lcd is back lit so the light is always on and makes dark scenes look gray , light blead , lcd is old tech and inferior picture quality.
Is full array in between edge lit and mini led?
My 6 y/o Sony x930e looks just as good as most mini leds and it’s an edge lit.
Just a couple years ago lots of people posting videos about Plasma and CRT being the superior technologies. My main concern is good content. The better the content the less I am concerned with the display tech.
comparing full array on the right, with mini led would be a better comparison. I would have shown all 3 if you had the means. Edge-Lit is a dinosaur technology reserved for entry level sub-$300 TV's.
i just bought an 55QNED86T3A and the blacks are poor, it's like in the right TV from your video with that white square, i wonder if it's something from the settings or the TV it's just that bad, i own a 2019 led Samsung and the blacks look way better than on the LG QNED
Thank you so much for this comparison. This was very helpful! Just bought the LG QNED916QE.
Please how is the picture quality
That is a shitty tv.. i had it.. horrible pwm flickering.
And colors are just shit. Black lvl were good.. only good thing.
But dont buy it. A fucking disaster.
Its all down to each persons perspective. Long as its a decent picture all the bells and whistles are a waste of money. Many just switch the tv to movie mode anyway to get the cinematic exsperiance. So most tvs pictures will look the same anyway
They said that the miniLED is the newer tech and a better picture than the normal LED but they say the Sony tv's like the x90l is very good nearly same as oled's. So would a cheaper tcl qm8, hisense u7k miniLED tv be a better buy than a Sony x90l?
I have an QD OLED (AW3423DW) and a mini LED (AOC AG344UXM). Sure the QD OLED is better but I will be sticking with mini over the OLED. Mini LED doesn't burn in and looks amazing. Again not as close as OLED but still good enough. Standard LED will always look bad to me after being able to use both of these techs. Also you can see a huge difference in contrast in the vids you were showing, not sure why you said in some scenes its hard to tell? Its extremely easy to tell which is which as mini LED can get brighter in areas and darker in others while still retaining detail, not like OLED but close.
Main reason why people go for Mini LED: fear. But living with dimming side effects and a worse picture day1.
I don't know what he recorded his video with but it was WAY overexposed. He should have set it to manual so he could control those blown highlights. It made both TVs look bad. (I mean the scenes other than the blooming tests.)
@@Da-ikennah, 100% sure most people chooses leds tv because they're cheaper and have a good enough quality, you won't even be able tell much the blacks if your lights aren't turned off, even with normal led tvs it's not that noticeable until you turn the lights off
Just ordered the Qned81 55", (LG doing a good price right now at £636). Then I heard about the qned86 mini-LED, and started to consider changing it. However, as I will want to occasionally move the TV to another surface, the 55" mini-led is 4.4kg heavier, and according the comments here, the qned86 has its negatives. Sticking with the Qned81! It looked great in store.
I have a 2021 LG 75NANO90UPA and turned local dimming off due to blooming and lighting fluctuations while watching Dolby Vision content. I should have returned it when I had the chance. It is really noticeable and irritating when watching the Godfather opening sequence, the same with Cray Rich Asians. I’ll be getting a 77” OLED set when I get the money saved up. I will test it with the GF and CRA before I buy one.
Also, some companies TVs like Sony Samsung and LG are just better than the competition. Not that this is a knock on any other brands TVs but a Sony 900 L is a full array LED TV and it looks better than anything from the competition. (in my opinion) Depending on the quality source of video, you’re getting the difference between a full array LED and a mini LED is not that big. if you have something like a 4K Blu-ray, the difference is going to be really hard to see compared to something that has bad picture and sound quality like any streaming service. But let’s be real if you’re going to only stream you might as well just buy the cheap TVs for $100 on Black Friday. (streaming looks like bad compared to even a standard blue Blu-ray.)
I had a 77 lg gx oled...but i just spent 5k for a 98" Samsung LED Q80c and it was worth it. In tv world Bigger is always better. I cant wait until i get a 98" 8k
Wouldn't the full array led be closer to the mini led ?
I would love to see a comparison between the OLED and full array dimming. From what I researched, manufacturers claim "local dimming" but if it's edge lit or "global" dimming that is NOT as good as a full array. Obviously, standard LED will be far different from OLED, but I have seen articles saying if you have the full array it's quite good. I welcome any info and sorry if I'm using incorrect terminology. We are still watching TV on a 15+ year Panasonic and it's time to upgrade! :)
@@marciehrhart I went with the TCL Q7. The picture is beautiful! It's just a full array. OLED is the top tier but I didn't like that it needs a dark room to perform the best. Any TV will look better in a dark room.
I am not sure the difference would be evident among most viewers. If you did an A/B test I don’t think many viewers could tell the difference. The side by side you can see some differences but I am not sure paying the premium for most viewers would be worth it to them. I personally like a larger size TV in general. I do think the viewing distance is the primary driver of screen size and of course personal preference. Just my opinion, of course.
Your right. Most (95+%) cant. It's when we see these types of yt videos that we start making the "better" decisions. Once I started watchin yt the cost of my tv purchases went up. When I shopped with my eyes it was way cheaper
Haha, if you see them in person the only way for you not to notice the difference is if you were blind
The mini LED seems to be brightness blasted.
It's better for dark scenes but that's about it.
Great review! I wonder if qled (like the tcl c655) would be in terms of quality in the middle of led and mini led? I want to buy one, and tcl qled is slighly more expensive than the regular led (about 100 pounds) but far cheapper than a miniled (about 800 pounds). That make me guess... is the qled quite similar to the cheappest led?
Oled all the way. We have 2, one in the lounge and one in the gaming room.
Beautiful picture and no burn in at all.
LED is fine........but, no.
this is the exact information I needed. Thanks
If your afraid of burn in and want to be close to OLD a mini led from a top high-end brand is to go. Owner of qn95b and i will never trade it for les then OLD or the newest QD-Led tech.
as a normal normal screen user normal ips tv's bloom is exaggrated. u must be threw it from 4th floor or hit it with gun for the acquare that much fking bloom wtf is that. thanks for the video it is very helpfull to understand
A parte i nelle scene scure il led sembra fare un miglior lavoro nei colori e contrasti
No. The clarity is just better on Mini LED and OLED.
Hi! If I'm seated 13 ft from the TV wall will you still recommend a 65 inch?
Guys i'm stuck between Tcl C735 and hisense U7h...what do i take i will mostly be watching Yt netflix and eventually pc gaming...help
I am literally stuck on the same question.
Get the U7K . U7H is GREAT tho. Just U7K this year is d first time how the 1 tier down SUPER close to the flagship U8K. I have seen it in store 65” . Beside Sony X90L. It made Sony X90L look like 1.5 tier down. Also Hisense is well known to have SINIFICANTLY much better Speakers than TCL. They carry speakers that those common $3000-4000 TVs have. Understand that most ppl just care about visua not sound. One of those features that ppl did NOT know they needed it till they have it. Just like ppl looking for car, end up getting a car with 12 BOSE speakers,,,,,then next upgrade, they ONLY want cars with NICE speakers that was me . Hisense has REALLY nice speakers they make those $300-400 sound bars MUCH inferior.
@@birdtj82 Hey i got the u8hq and best tv i have ever had or seen at a friends/family house.Sound is 10/10,design is clean,and the picture is just wow.I highly recommend the tv.The 120 hz for gaming is so good i will never go back to 60hz.
Whats your guys thoughts on LG 75QNED916QE vs Samsungs QN85C vs Philips PML9008. They all have mini led but at serious price differences in my country.
No doubt miniLED is getting much better blacks and contrast but it is doing terribly on bright spots, it loses lots of details and colour there. I'm still in dilemma on which one to choose.
Hello ! Thanks for the great review! May we please know how to make that light dot test on the dark test, is it a code ? or just we launch a video alike ? thanks!
I want to buy the Hisense 55U6KQ Mini LED for 500 Euro. Can you recommend it?
I think this Year goes for TCL, they have best picture TVs with haft of the price from Leading Brands.
Where is the video link for the starting test video with the night stars?
What happened to DIRECT LED/FULL ARRAY?
Still using a Pioneer Kuro.
That's awsome!
I thought the qned is the combination of oled and qled.
Crikey, a 50" used to be a big TV, but now it's a small variant. I live in a small flat and really can't go bigger than a 50". Still, glad I am fussing over TV resolution and pixels than being homeless or something horrible.
a very important video for new buyers
Mini Led is like 150% better than any other led whatever people say... even better than oled. Qned Mini Led all the way!
Is LG 55QNED863RE MiniLED or not, please??
Can plasma tv look better than mini led ? I have Samsung 8500 51 inn plasma and Sony Xr95k 65 inn mini les I feel plasma look 👀 more real in black contrast…The future is goin to be micro led right now is so expensive
I have a good plasma tv and I think the mini leds look better, not only that but they also have much higher brightness, more accurate colors, better resolution, less input lag, faster refresh rate...
@@Gadottinho Mini led have blooming plasma tv no.. Plasma is old school
Mon plasma panasonic avait fini par marquer après 10 années.Sans que se soit gênant.@@Gadottinho
Fantastic video. Just the info I needed :)
Wrong information. Typically on an Edge LED TV you get LESS (no!) Blooming around subtitles. There is no dimming (only in bigger stripes on some models, but normaly on Edge LED TVs you have no dimming like on Mini LED or Local Dimming TVs with Direct LEDs). Mainly these TVs work with Global Dimming, which dims the whole screen in a dark scene. But with Mini LED TVs you can get much more Blooming, specially behind smaller objects, because it will dim with much more zones. Also other dimming sideeffects can be very annoying. Specially if you came from an Edge LED TV. The Contrast is much lower, but the picture is much more stable compared to Mini LED. That´s why i recommend OLED.
THIS IS WHAT I KEEP SAYING!!!🤣🤣🤣 I HAD A 2014 SAMSUNG UN65HU9000 CURVE! IT WAS $7000 NEW, IT WAS EDGE IT AND HAD ZERO BLOOMING!!! miniLED has horrible DSE and grid patterns to
Also my edge lit had more contests, it only had around 450nits of brightness because edge lit, but it had a 4000:1 contrast, my Sony 2022 X95K 65in has 2000:1, older is better!! Just watch and see, miniLED will go out of style and there start coming back with edge lit and LCD, Samsung is doing this now, making IPS panels, bringing back old technology because they know miniLED is trash, in fact Samsung ain’t even in LEDs anymore, QD-OLED (more trash) is Samsungs priority right now, but any LED they make is ISP, I have QN85A ADS panel, has better contrast and color then miniLED
The QNED81 is not just edge lit or direct lit with global dimming, it has LD, just a terrible example of it.
LG has a stupid name for it but essentially its "column dimming", as opposed an array of cells with FALD or MiniLED FALD. The QNED81 has 6 "zones" (ie columns), while the QNED86 has 180 zones (in 65") split into an array, hence why it looks so much better than the 81 in this video. A more stark comparison would be something like the Hisense U8K, as it has 1008 zones in the 65" size, it isn't much more expensive than the QNED81 and is actually cheaper than the QNED86.
I agree TVs with LD that don't have enough zones look worse than a direct or edge lit TV with global dimming, but as long as you have around 32 zones minimum I think its better than no LD at all, since then the black level raises along with the brightest element on screen.
@@Kuranghi ya LG just has bad LEDs in general LOL there most expensive is $900 or little over
For HDR games,like Resident Evil 8,Mini leds leads
The mini LED is better but it is especially on the black color that we see a real difference
Is it compatible with ps5 or not?
I agree with a lot of what you say but looking at your samples, the mini LED looks too bright - this had the effect of washing out the highlights and reducing detail. Watch the video and you'll see what I mean!
It’s the camera. MINI LED is d same BRIGHTNESS level as iPhone 14PRO and 15pro. For iPhone it AUTO dims it especially indoor n at dark. N auto brightens.
If any TH-camr…yes i say ANY ,, shuts off “automatic sensor”, then do NOT leave it dark enough or their camera struggles shooing a BRIGHT image that is NOT bright but just looks bright in pitch black room. Then its d camera issue.
Yeah check iPhone 14PRO 15pro with a phone thats much dimmer in generic bright room like Apple Store. The OLEDs are same level dim as iPhone 7 8 x XS 11pro level. 550-860nits. Beside mini LED , matching 15pro level….as soon as lights on. Or day time,,,,The dark one looks like dim goo. :)
@@birdtj82 Okay, so why does the camera have an effect on one mini LED tv and not the other? I'm sorry but I don't understand your reasoning!
@@geoffhemingway3926 dude u don’t understand my reasoning cuz u def dont sound like u take a lot of pics with smart phone or professional camera. Just pull your phone out of pocket , put a laptop beside a TV both screen on. MAKER sure in PITCH BLACK room, tap to aim at the dimmer whichever u have on laptop or tv , see what happens to d other one . U try it out it will help with the reasoning :)
I have both oled and miniled.
Oled is best for gaming/streaming platform like netflix/disney+tprime video etc.
Miniled is improved version of led tv with lesser light leak.best all rounder tv.heavy tv also
Definitely buy the bigger size full array than mini led
Any chance of testing TCL C805 mini led tv..?
Great video great explanation
Thank you so much 🥃🥃
lg제품은 ips의 단점을 극복 못한 패널을 사용하고 있음
너무 밝거나 어두웠을때 화면이 제대로 표현 못하고 뭉게진다
불로밍 제어는 나름 발전을 했으나 패널을 대폭 개선해야한다
Very informative. Thank you very much!
My qned86 55inch blooming test looks almost like the led on this video. Idk if my tv is fake or whats wrong with it
I know that this is resurrecting an old comment, but someone commented in this same video that not all LG QNED86 models are mini led. Look for the comment of "@thePavuk".
@@itisabird so you saying that i could have got scammed. But the description said mini led when i ordered and tv was £800
Yeah the blooming is terrible on LED tvs. They light up the top and bottom black bars when watching movies
Cheap TVs have it bad, going back to between 2010-2015 edge lit and regular LED a good expensive $3000 one hardly had any problem
I completely disagree, if the same brand, say Sony, backlit led vs mini led go for 75 inch back lit led instead of 65 mini led. The size difference is much more than the actual image quality difference.
Excellent and practical topic
Does blooming still happen with the backlight off on either tv?
Better blooming on mini LED TV then ABL problem with OLED
I never have blooming on Edge LED TV. And they usually don't have blooming around subtitles. You can see RTINGS test about it. My TV is with VA panel. Is your Edge TV with IPS panel? You know the difference between IPS and VA, don't you? Is your Edge TV on maximum brightness? You found some very bad TV and you are making general conclusions? I can make the video with the opposite result, it is not that hard.
I only hope is that Micro LED will become affordable enough for me to purchase one before I past away.
It's already affordable, as low as 500 dollars even
The actual picture , normal led looks better to me , more saturated color and black . But if you test for the square light only , the is blooming on led .
But no Hollywood movies or tv shows with just the square light . I think technology is misleading us , because the tv makers want to promote their new tech tv , so they create this blooming tester square light , over black screen . but we watch movies not the bloming tester.
Dimitry, my reflecrions are based on checking out miniled , oled qled and full array led fron 2023. Impressed i am stil very much by the panasonic miniled. I gave a reflection also that i came from led viera panasonic 2017 already a very capabale machine, however in 5 years technics have improved. Also i reflected that choice and appreciation of colors , build quality and formats are personal, and sharing my opinionn and experience, just to share. Rest me to say that i think this does resonate from my update. Perhaps you want to explain what you think you read in it ? Enjoy reading my friend and keep on sharing insights on tv technics and lets appreciate that diffirent persons have diffirent story telling and opnions....
I currently have a Samsung 55" 4K TV. It's about 7 years old so obviously I assume it's edge lit. I think it looks great, but I also got it for free because the place I used to work gave you a choice of anniversary presents every 5 years you were there. But yesterday I was at Walmart and walked by a pallet of Samsung 75" 4K TVs that were selling for $686USD. It didn't say QLED or OLED or MiniLED, so I'm guessing it is full array regular LED, because would they really still be using edge lighting all these years later? I have not kept up with TV pricing at all but assume that a MiniLED or OLED 75" would cost at least double what this one cost. If this Samsung does have full array standard LEDs I think $686 is a fantastic price for a huge 75" TV. In the end it doesn't really matter because I can't afford to buy it even at this price....