✅ Tips & Tricks - T-Mobile's External Antenna - 5G Home Internet Arcadyan G4AR vs Waveform Band Lock
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- Can't get the external antenna to connect? Want to band lock to N71? Here's some tips and tricks with the T-Mobile 5G Home Internet G4AR and G4SE gateway. -Mobile releases a $99 external 4x4 MIMO Antenna for their G4AR and G4SE gateways with external SMA ports. Antennas can greatly improve signal and internet speed. Lets test out this new antenna vs my tried and true Waveform 4x4 MIMO panel, their 2x2 MIMO panel and the stock T-Mobile 5G Home Internet Arcadyan G4AR gateway. Internet speed tests with ping compared. Lets show you how to band lock and the speed change. See this and more in the video. T-Mobile just release a new gateway with a KEY feature, external antenna ports for easy install. This is the Arcadyan TMOG4AR gateway with a MediaTek T750 modem chipset. It supports numerous 5G and 4G bands including Carrier Aggregation for the potential for huge speeds. Note customers typically don't have a say in which gateway they receive, all 4 are currently being sent to customers. Consider subscribing to the channel or looking below for more content!
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Wow that's crazy, maybe even stupid that you can't choose an external antenna without the signal first. Good that you found a workaround.
I greatly appreciate your continued testing and sharing this info with those of us who need info like this.
Got my 4x4 for my Chester Cheetah and will be testing it out at our new, rural properties next weekend. These videos are a great time saver for me. Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you!
Thanks Nate for all the fine tuning help. I use a Cheetah with an unlimited T-Mobile tablet SIM and have found blocking N41 gives me significant performance consistency and predictability. The Router locks onto some LTE bands and N71. Also my 5G single is week on N41 and strong when using N71, I am using and external Waveform antenna. I don’t qualify for T-Mobile home internet so that’s why I’m using a tablet SIM. I consistently get 200M down and 100M up with my configuration, it’s used as a backup. My Router has dual WAN ports so failover is seamless.
Nice!
Nate: I just wanted to thank you for all your work comparing and testing these home internet units. You are providing a real public service to those who depend on these units for the necessity that is internet access. You explain this sometimes complicated subject calmly and thoroughly so that anyone interested can follow along. I know you reach out to your subscribers who help with testing and my thanks goes out to those people as well. As someone who lives in a rural area, this information is invaluable. I have since moved on to Starlink but my parents are still at the mercy of TMHI and I check in on your videos to see if some aspect of their setup can be improved. Please continue to help more people and know that many are very thankful for your time and research on this. I hope you have a Happy Holiday and a productive and Happy New Year. Thanks for all you do.
Thanks Justin! Glad to hear!
How do you force n41 with the tmobile antenna 4x4 on the g4se?
@XenAqUaYT I'm trying to do the same thing. N71 only 30 mps when it switches to N41 132 mps.
You’ve been super helpful. I’ve been wanting to do the cheetah unit, but we already have a T-Mobile gateway. And didn’t want to spend 1000$ on the router and antenna. I finally was able to get tmobile to send me the G4AR. So we will only really have to pick up the antenna. Always had decent up/down speeds. I’d love to see some better ping. Speed tests always show 30’s, but gaming always shows it in the 70-100 range.
A good external antenna setup will help ping!
Thanks you for all your post. I just received and installed the tmo-g4ar. 4 consistent bars. I placed it on my roof and received 5 consistent bars. I do not have an antenna yet. The sma ports are smaller than standard home coaxial connectors. I do have pictures for you. What size connectors do I need to run from gateway to roof antenna?
Can you do a review of the inseego fx3100 tmobile business gateway
T-Mobile REVVL turned out to be the best phone to check where I could get the best signal. It also had options to turn on/off bands to perform fine grain testing. The RSRQ numbers also seem to be stop on. One thing I noticed is that for n41, the RSRP was -117dB on the phone. The G4AR gateway initially showed -115dB in omnidirectional mode and then -108dB in omnidirectional and directional mode. The packet loss in omnidirectional mode was 0 to 30 percent, and directional mode was 40 to 80 percent.
Now, with waveform 4x4, I had to move it place it to avoid n41 due to high packet loss. Have you experienced the same?
Set mine up today. Tried swaping 2 and 3 antenna leads and found the recommended 1 2 3 4 sequence works the best as I got 240 down vrs 100 down with the swapped 2 and 3 cables
For the t-mobile antenna the recommendation from tmobile and me is 1234. Its only with the waveform to swap 2 and 3.
@@NaterTater thanks, I have to waveform 4x4 antenna. Will keep on testing.
Great info!!! Have you and anyone else tested the peplink/pepwave MIMO with the TMO-G4AR gateway router? Thanks Jim
Not that i am aware of. It should work good though.
I asked for the new G4AR Gateway since I have the Arcadyan and T-Mobile Customer Service said they are not available in my area of Southwest North Carolina. Bummer. My Chester Cheetah Gateway vacillates between N71 and N25 Bands depending on time of day. I keep it on NR5G SA. My uploads are pretty terrible on N25 and a bit better (still single digits) on N71. I find if I block N25, it automatically switches to N71 with better ping, download and upload speeds. I use the Waveform 4 x 4. It's one of the best in the business IMHO.
I just got mine today in Fredericksburg, VA!
Thank you, my question is, both G4AR and Waveform antenna support N77 band. But can find almost no info. I have 3000' line of sight with tower but always n41/n71. Any insights?
Hey Nate. Thanks for the video as always. I have the new G4AR and was wondering if you had a recommendation on the best router (mesh or otherwise) to go with this so that I can disable the wifi on the G4AR (assuming that is still the best route to go). I don't need an external gateway as the G4AR is doing pretty well (I also have the Waveform 4x4 coming). I've heard you talk about your ASUS mesh system and Orbi in other videos but was wondering if you had a recommendation? Lowering ping for gaming would be nice as well. Appreciate the content my man!
Thanks for tuning in! I had a Asus AiMesh setup for many years. I needed an upgrade recently and I considered a new Asus setup as well as many others. The "high end" consumer mesh systems are several hundred $ and I had trouble justifying the cost. I ended up putting together a TP-Link Omada setup (th-cam.com/video/34NZwJh4N84/w-d-xo.html) but you could and probably should do a much simpler Omada system. You can get the OC200 (amzn.to/485MTEb), TL-SG2008p (amzn.to/3GQIlpu) and 2x EAP653 (amzn.to/48mMYDi) for about $440 and have a great setup. You can save about 25% by buying the used/renewed ones on amazon too. It has way more features and it can be expanded easily buy just buying a single device (for example I have 9 access points). This is small business grade and simply a better system then even the high end home ones that cost way more.
@@NaterTater Thanks so much for the recommendation and quick reply! I would have never thought of the system you proposed! One question (sorry this isn't my strongest suit), I wouldn't need an additional router with what you recommended? Would the controller allow me to set-up a network that would allow me to disable the G4AR from transmitting wi-fi?
@mikecruise1784 correct you would be using the G4AR as your router actually. I would still encourage you to disable wifi on the G4AR but there isnt a way to turn off the "router" function on it. I did add a tp-link router to mine but that was because I specifically wanted some of the features and combined 6 ISP's together.
@@NaterTater I appreciate all the help! I should have asked this in my previous reply because the reason I was wondering about the router is more due to router settings. To my knowledge T-Mobile won't let you change the DNS server on the G4AR. Would the Omada system you recommended allow me to change DNS, or would I need an actual router for that. Thinking Cloudfare for gaming purposes...
@@mikecruise1784 valid point, I dont think the smart switch allows control of the DNS so you would need a router. You could ditch the smart switch, get a cheap omada router (amzn.to/3TwH7Y0) and then you will need something to power the PoE AP's. you can add a dumb PoE switch (amzn.to/3Tt9g27) to do that. There are tons of options to pick from based on your needs. these are just examples.
I got the Waveform 4x4 and was wondering if i should get a shorter cable? The kit comes with a pretty long one and im not sure if im losing speeds with that. If so do i contact waveform directly to get custom smaller cables?
Yes you can. It's likely not worth the cost to change. Best to spend time aiming the antenna and finding the best location for it.
Nate can you use the Chester cheetah with a regular home internet SIM card and not the business card also can you order the cheetah program for t mobile and just put your sim card into it. Thanks so much for all the information big help.
Yes you can, you'll need to message Chester tech repair to configure some settings first (he does it for free). th-cam.com/video/3belU1bmEh0/w-d-xo.html
Good information have t mobil home internet thinking about going with Chester cheetah and waveform 4x4 . Do you think t mobil could cut you off if you do this or have you known anyone that has lost service buy doing this. THANKS BIG HELP KEEP PUTTING OUT GOOD INFORMATION!!!
I have never heard of anyone getting cut off due to that.
nate the waveform 4x4 will work with the Chester cheetah also do you need special adapters
Yes it works well, no adapters needed. th-cam.com/video/3belU1bmEh0/w-d-xo.html
Hey nate, I finally found a G4AR and ordered it, I have the Old white box, the 4g one. Are there any tricks you can recommend for the switch.
You should be able to SIM swap and be good to go. Unless the G4AR you bought (I assume gray market) is blacklisted by tmo.
Nate, is it possible to configure the APN on the G4AR modem? on my Inseego FX2000-3 it let's me change the it, any help is greatly appreciated. thank you
Not that I know of
is there a way to run G4AR on 12v DC? (without inverter) - i currently have the older nokia model and considering upgrading to G4AR, but it needs to work on 12v (for RV
Its stated input is 15v 3amp.
hey nate so i work out a of a rv and i have the mimo 4x4 with 5688w fast tmobile it helped alot when it came to download and up but my ping is still so slow like nothings changed i will get like 300 to 400 and my antenna is point at the tower using the t mobile app is there somthing im missing or am i justt out of luck
What tool are you using to measure ping? I assume that is loaded ping?
What's the best mobile antenna I can get for my truck? Using T Mobile G4SE gateway.
Probably amzn.to/47DC245
What if I have a 2nd router hooked up to my gateway (same one as that) do I put my antenna to the gate way or the router?
Put it on the t-mobile gateway
Thanks for all your info,,I have t mobile had it about a year,I got good downloads when i first hooked it up about 150 down,but as time has went buy I’m down to about 30ish downloads,dose T-Mobile throttle me ,why don’t I get the same as when I first signed up,,thnaks
No throttle. Likely more users slowing down the network.
In my limited testing it seems like carrier aggregation is disabled when G4AR is connected to n41. In other words, it is not capable of aggregating TDD and FDD bands to provider better download and/or upload speed. Have you seen similar results? If it is true, then that's one downside of connecting to n41, in a sense that LTE is merely used as an anchor.
That seems to be the case. I would love to see a deeper dive into that behavior.
A great video, but I have two questions:
1. Can I use just one external antenna? and,
2. How do you turn off the DHCP server on the Arcadyan G4AR?
1. Yes but it needs to be a 2x2 MIMO at minimum (two cables)
2. Can't
Thanks!
Thank you!
I use T-Mobile home in My motorhome.. what is your thoughts on getting a external antenna..... Had the black square one and have use it all over the country, It was good but I got the new one to get better speeds
I would probably recommend something like the pepwave 40G which is designed for RV/truck, shown here: th-cam.com/video/89nx10efdxU/w-d-xo.html
Question I have the Chester cheetah device is there away when on 5G SA I use band 25 and 71 but sometimes 71 will drop out and it will just aggregate 2 bands of 25 I have a external antenna how do I have it where the primary will stay on 71 and the secondary on 25?
Can't
@@NaterTater then what will make it to where I can lock 71 and n25 and it not drop band 71 cause when it does my upload is not usable but if I cell
Lock to just 71 it stays on 71 and never drops but if I use 25 with it it will drop band 71
Thx Nate
You're welcome!
I have a question can you use any antenna ? Or does it have to be this antenna from t mobile ?
You can use other brands. They do need to be a 4x4 MIMO setup for best 5G performance. Waveform Cellular Antennas for T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internet: th-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS1HuMabIm8hspYa7nlXpPP.html
Is it possible on any router to choose 71 for upload abs a different band for download?
Not that I know of
Hey put a single coax connected Omni mimo antenna. Will it work?
not likely, or if it does it wont work well
@@NaterTater thanks can’t believe someone hasn’t tried it. Maybe content for you. Why does it need four coils connected. Take care
I use my 5g home internet in the car for uber and my windows tablet in car works good
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For T-Mobile home Internet do you think 500 gig a month is considered high? I wouldn’t think so. I asked the question because it seems like towards the end of the month my speeds slow down quite significantly.
Also, thanks for all the valuable information you provide.
It is not and t-mobile does not throttle based on data usage.
Now it does after 1.2tb
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Question: If N41 is not available in my area, only n71 and b66, what do you think max speeds would be for me? Average 30 down/25 up but SINR usually bad around 3. RSRP usually around 95. Sometimes reach over 100 in early morning hours. Sure antenna would help but how much if N41 not available. Thanks for everyone’s input.
N71 can do over 100/50Mbps
So if n41 is not available would I benefit from the 4x4 mimo over the 2x2 mimo antenna as others? It looks like I’m getting b66 and n71 with weak signal and poor sinr on both. My modem switches between 2 towers in opposite directions. Thanks
@davidholley1439 yes, the 4x4 will still outperform on n71. You can also aim it at the tower that provides better service.
@anyone... Which port should Antenna #3 go to on the Arcadian (D, M, M1, M2)? I would guess M1.? Going on B41 has been giving me problems for years.. B71 is OK at ~80 down. I gave up on the external antenna because it kept going on 41 and making the Internet unusable. But I still have the external antenna in storage, and if I can get locked on N71, I will use it again.
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@@NaterTater TY.. Don't know how I missed this one.. Now I know what I will be doing tomorrow.
When I try the antenna 2 to port 3 with waveform mini, I just completely lose 5g and get stuck on LTE... Not sure why, maybe n71 isn't available here?
Perhaps or maybe this doesn't work with the QuadMini, try another antenna cable to port 3.
What is the speed testing app you use
Speedtest.net
Dang. I have been using my waveform in 1234 config. I wonder if there will be an improvement when in 1324.
Easy to try!
I have 2 two outside yagis. Which antenna ports should I use with the G4AR? Is there a list of the bands each port is associated with?
It's really designed for 4x4
I just got off the phone with T-Mobile support (2nd time) and was told in no uncertain terms that the 4 ports on the back of the G4AR are for Wi-Fi within the house not for tower reception. The first guy told me it didn't matter which ones I used so he must have the same impression. Has anyone disassembled it yet?
@bmorgan99 ha, well support is wrong. Tmobile even sells a celluar antenna for the ports. It aint for wifi.
@@NaterTater Installed a 4x4 yagi mimo setup and tried a second G4AR from T-Mobile:
Good News: wi-fi reception in my yard is much better
Bad News: the modem couldn’t see my tower at all
Went back to my old modem with Infinite Internet: still rockin' (just pricey).
@NaterTater Holy shit. I got a 3rd modem and hooked it up exactly as I did the other two: solid 3 bars and I'm in the 150-200 range. The only difference I see is this modem is a G4SE and the others were G4ARs. I'm guessing the other 2 were just shite.
What are the best cables for 100, 200,or more feet ?
Ethernet or fiber. You do NOT want to use coax that length for an antenna
So can you swap the internal antenna to lock n71 like an external?
you could try
Does anyone know if the G4SE has network aggregation like the g4AR?
It does
How many years until they just have regular external ports you can use.
Tired of overpaying for MVNO.
Not sure my old antennas have the specs for 5G either, or if t-mobile home internet allows VPN yet.
These are regular external antenna ports. VPN's work too.
@@NaterTaterAlright, but I'm not going to drive around in my car with this thing looking for 5g signal so I can then hook it up to my external antennas at my house.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you said.
I recently lost the N71 band and when I called T-Mobile support, I was told that I couldn"t recieve 5G in my area.
I told the person that I have been receiving 5g for a couple of years and have just recently lost it.
After some trouble shooting on " special equipment I did not have access to" I was informed that I couldn't get 5G.
I still get a very good signal 5g on my iPhone 12 Pro and my other Apple phones I am unable to get any cellular metrics on my Arcadyn router.
Any idea of what may be occurring ?
Call support and have them reset your device maybe that will work.
Do a factory reset with the button on the back
Makes no sense. Get a warranty gateway exchange.
They have virtually no "tools" to help you. Basically all they can do is reset the connection, which has never worked for me. The only thing they can do is fill out a tech request ticket if you can manage to talk them into believing there's a problem with the tower. I got one of the techs to talk to me casually since I used to work for the cellphone tower companies. Our local t mobile corporate store is pretty good about swapping out the gateway.
You can test the gateway by taking it to another tower and back closer to yours and see what it reads
That is my problem, n41 latency is so bad the internet does not work. N71 I get 2 bars and it works way better. Going to try and get the new one with the antennas
good luck
@@NaterTater I did get the new G4AR and the Tmobile antenna. The Tmobile antenna is having real problems. When I try to switch over to the external antenna it keeps saying no connectivity. I did eventually get it connected to the external antenna, but performance was worse than the internal antenna despite showing a good (5G) and Excellent (4G) connection. I ordered the WaveForm 4x4 as an open box and saved a little on cost. The WaveForm hopefully does better. I saw your other video on the new models from Waveform would love to see the results on the mini. Let me know if you have any ideas on what might be wrong with the Tmobile Antenna not wanting to connect otherwise returning it.
@@kennethwilson8236 the tmobile antenna sucks
@@NaterTater Correction I have the G4SE model can't get the external antenna and I have tried Both the Tmobile antenna and the Waveform Quad entenna. I had them send me another Gateway but it was another G4SE. Starting to wonder if they have a model problem. I did have it connected to the external antenna, but it took a lot of trying to get that to work and my wife was having issues with her online meetings. So _ switched it back to internal antennas and now can't get the external antenna to connect anymore. Trying to have them get me a G4AR to see if it's the model somehow
Well they sent me the G4AR model. It connected to the external antenna without any problems. I tried the t mobile and waveform antennas. Something seems to be wrong with them G4SE when connecting to the external antenna
Anybody use the cellphone booster? Does it help conventional antenna?
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How do I connect it to lock to n41 with the waveform mini
1,2,3,4 but it doesn't lock it to n41. You'll need a 3rd party gateway for that.
@NaterTater oh I see appreciate the help and all that you do for the 5g internet community
Why not suction that T-Mobile antenna to the outside of that window?
It's technically only for indoor use.
@@NaterTaterfor a cheaper option though it doesn’t hurt to still test it that way, plus the suction mount they provide is technically a pole mount they just added suction cup to. It would make a decent video to test it that way even if it’s not recommended plus you could test out cable extensions at the same time for a video.
@Blu3ManiC maybe you've seen th-cam.com/video/9WR0lSQldCk/w-d-xo.html where I test the antenna a few ways. Adding a extension cable will only degrade the performance.
@@NaterTater yeah I saw that, I actually bought one because of that video even though it doesn’t perform that much better than the gateway and the cable is short I needed something to mount outside in a very short distance compared to the 2x2 I have now from signal plus with super long cables.
it worked out better for me catching outside signal in my house form the 70s that blocks cell signals.
With you being the only one I’ve seen testing this antenna I was just wondering why you didn’t try the other two methods for a video yet.
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Why bother extra cables and hassel.
Only worth it if you need to improve your signal/speed.
Why bother 5g is not reliable yet. cable and wireless is still the best.@@NaterTater
Why do you promote waveform so much?
Waveform is over priced and the lack of quality of the components in the kits was shocking.
Many more 4x4 antennas available for half the price and they perform so much better.
Do provide a reference for a half price 2x2 (WF is $99) or 4x4 (WF is $199).
You’ve been super helpful. I’ve been wanting to do the cheetah unit, but we already have a T-Mobile gateway. And didn’t want to spend 1000$ on the router and antenna. I finally was able to get tmobile to send me the G4AR. So we will only really have to pick up the antenna. Always had decent up/down speeds. I’d love to see some better ping. Speed tests always show 30’s, but gaming always shows it in the 70-100 range.
did your ping improve? I am pretty much in the same boat. Speed tests show 30ping but when gaming its always at least double that. I was going to try getting a router first as I thought possibly the Nokia 5G21 modem wasn't handling the traffic to multiple devices efficiently (I currently don't have a new router so was using the nokia 5G21 as modem and router and think the wifi may be the culprit of the ping difference).
@@mrgrim800 I have only gotten the tmobile gateway so far. Just getting the new G4AR unit helped enough to get me by. Tests show 30ping but call of duty on my Xbox shows 52-80 depending on time of day. Haven’t had enough money to get the antenna yet.