@@412StepUp I'm a Rays fan, and they genuinely have improved the Trop over the years. But it still feels like a baseball stadium built in the Soviet Union.
@@djtrankilo231 It's actually the first purpose-built indoor baseball stadium. The others that came before it were multipurpose. It's funny because the Trop hosted arena football and NHL games before it was ever used for baseball. Had they built it in the mid 70s, it would have been beloved. It's not a bad place to watch a game, but it was outdated by the mid 00s and should have been replaced after the 2008 season.
I like the Trop. I think it's cute. There's nothing wrong with it. It is, by far, the best dome ever built for baseball, certainly far better than the Metrodome or the Superdome.
I think Olympic Stadium in Montreal was like the forgotten prototype of super stadiums (plus it also cost a billion dollars). It just looks so futuristic. The retro futurism of the 60s and 70s. Plus it has the not functional retractable roof. The Skydome being the first large scale retractable roof (that worked) deserves a mention as well
Astro turf was name after the Astrodome as the first major turf installation. It's easy to dump on it now but the Astrodome would have been a failure without it.
The houston oilers moving in ruined the astrodome. It was cool when it was baseball only. 2:15 The outfield wall was so cool with the video board covering the whole wall. Ahead of its time.
Butt Adams wanted 10,000 more seats for the Oilers. The only place to build them meant they had to tear out the giant scoreboard. That removed the charm of the Astrodome. It did not have the complete outfield ring until the 1990s when Adams got his wish for more seats.
The Astrodome was always multi-purpose. The University of Houston began playing football in the 'Dome in its first year, but the Oilers didn't move in until 1968 because they balked at the rent. The football configuration was also used for various dirt events between football and baseball seasons, such as motorcycle races, demolition derbies, the Astro Grand Prix midget car races, Rodeo Houston, and even bullfights. Two NASL clubs, the Stars and the Hurricane, set up their pitch within the baseball configuration. Then there was basketball (the 1968 UH-UCLA matchup, the 1971 NCAA Final Four, and some Houston Rockets games), and the Battle of the Sexes tennis match.
They used 150 year old technology to open and close Skydome by using standard rail track. Railroad track dimensions were actually based on the width of a horse's ass. So the modern marvel that was Skydome in 1989 was all possible based on the industry standard of rail lines which were adapted from the dimensional width of a horse's ass. It is a solid stadium and the roof is very practical. I rate that building highly, especially after some of the recent field upgrades. Also too, back in the day the pitcher's mound at Skydome was actually raised by pumping water in underneath the mound. It was floating like a boat in a canal lock. I don't know if they do it like that anymore since the dirt infield was added a while back. I suspect the floating pitcher's mound is no longer a thing but it was a unique system for it's time.
@@adanalyst6925 The system is designed to have a quick turnover when going from baseball to other stadium modes. A Disc raises or lowers with hydraulic flow. RFK (Nationals) and Sun Life (Marlins) stadiums also used the same process with the pitcher's mound.
Marlins Park was originally built with a silver roof. But, they had to get rid of it, as it was in the flight path of MIA and the sun's reflection was blinding the pilots. Also, I believe they also removed the pool in left field.
My Baltimore cousins took me to Camden a few years after it opened. A really nice ballpark. Great atmosphere. Retro looking but new. Highly recommend people check it out.
Oddly, despite its opulence, the Astrodome was relatively cheap. Consider: 1. Olympic Stadium: $1.4 billion 2. Veteran's Stadium: $60 million 3. Three Rivers Stadium: $55 million 4. Riverfront Stadium: $45 million 5. Astrodome: $34 million 6. Shea Stadium: $28 million 7. Jack Murphy Stadium: $27 million 8. Busch Stadium: $24 million (1966) 9. Dodger Stadium: $24 million 10. RFK Stadium: $24 million 11. Atlanta Stadium: $18 million 12. Candlestick Park: $15 million (original design, 1960)
The Civic Arena in Pittsburgh actually wasn't built for hockey. It was built for the Pittsburgh Civic Light Opera because they were having to cancel performances at Pitt Stadium back then.
Six Flags allowed Astroworld to be razed because of rising gang violence and assaults. An amusement park will never return to the area. I do like this idea of an indoor amusement park but we don't live in those times anymore. In some areas amusement parks are like malls and are best avoided. These places attract the wrong people all season long and even Disney is too cucked-out with coddlism to kick them out of their own parks.
@@junkbox_ that's a shame. I'm not form Houston but remember the astrodome fondly as a little kid and it was in the bad news bears baseball movie. I just hope it can be preserved somehow or maybe it's just not worth it.
How about Pilot Field AKA Sahlen Field? Yeah, I know it is a relatively small minor league stadium but without it Camden Yards would have never existed. So, I would argue that Pilot Field was the real ahead of its time downtown retro classic ballpark.
Gotta Mention Madison Square Garden built on top of a major transit station i don’t think anyone has done that before or since, you have places like Barclays Center, Citi Field & Yankee Stadium that have subway stations right outside but not connected to the building.
Olympic Stadium is way out in the suburbs on the edge of town. MSG is suspended above 20 storeys of gridded underground infrastructure that goes many dozens of blocks in any direction from. There is nothing but Earth under Olympic Stadium, two tunnel-bored Metro stations are completely offset from the stadium. The lease at MSG is ending soon, they may actually raze that site and rebuild MSG at a new location. I think the current MSG is actually the third one because it was relocated twice before. I think there is a supertall being proposed at the site of MSG.
@@junkbox_ NYC is ridiculous with the plan to move MSG they have no plans or finances set to rebuild Penn Station but want MSG out in 3 years without even starting on a new building in a new location the whole situation is a mess
AT&T Stadium was designed to be a modernized Texas Stadium (the original home of the Dallas Cowboys). If you look at pictures of Texas Stadium, you’d see the similarities between AT&T Stadium and Texas Stadium. The only flaw Texas Stadium had was that it was built without a retractable roof.
Correct!!! I'm glad someone could could see that. It came out kool AF too!!! Total futuristic version of it. I hope they modernize the Hell out of the Cotton Bowl. It's still a money maker to me💯
Nope. The cowboys played in Dallas Texas at the Cotton bowl for almost 12 seasons before they abandoned Dallas. Texas Stadium is located in Irving Texas
I know where they played at, and I know their history. You're nope is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the Cowboys. I'm taking about the City of Dallas, Dallas County, and/or private investor there, or anywhere that sees the Cotton Bowl as a future money maker.
It’s the Civic ARENA. Lots of cities have civic centers but not Pittsbugh had the Civic Arena. I got to see the roof open a few times. It was built for the Civic Light Opera but when open the sound just left the building. Bad acoustics did it in but it hosted everything from hockey and concerts to religious revivals and indoor soccer.
Another correction: Marlins Park, opened in 2012, was NOT the first park built with under 40,000 capacity "in forever". PNC (again in Pittsburgh) was opened in 2001 and has a capacity of under 40K (38,000 capacity). Unless in 2012, 2001 was considered to be "forever".
Elvis sold out the Astrodome in 1974 setting attendance record. The reason it hasn't been imploded is due to high cost of demolition. It's been reported that it would cost about $50 million now. And with inflation that cost is rising.
Lucas Oil Stadium looks like an old armory-- not that that's a bad thing. Such is actually a pretty good design feature for an enclosed rectangular ballpark.
The old Giants Stadium was built pretty much like Arrowhead Stadium. The spirals, the escalators etc. They both opened around the same time. The only difference is endzone upperdeck isnt as big.
Actually, the first football-only stadium in the NFL was Schaefer Stadium in Foxboro, which opened in 1971. It had, by far, the best sightlines of any stadium in the NFL. Unfortunately, most of the seats were aluminum benches and Route 1 traffic was murder.
For some odd reason I really would like to go too a Marlins game in Florida something about that stadium looks cool and they have a bobblehead museum there last I heard. Also Sofi stadium in Inglewood, CA
If you go to Marlins Park, sit along the 1st base side. Between home plate and 1s base. The view of downtown Miami through the glass will leave you breathless. 1st time I was at Marlins Park (without looking into where's a great place to sit, I sat along the 3rd baseline. Ever since, I sit along the 1st baseline. Unless, I decide to partake in one of those all you can eat days. Then your seats are in right field, by the foul pole.
You do good videos, but please do some research before recording. It would take your videos to a next level. The Astrodome seating did not completely circle the first when it opened because of the scoreboard. You used photos that show this. The entire field was originally grass. It was the first stadium to use artificial turf, which was named fro the stadium. Kaufman/Arrowhead were ahead of their time because they chose to build two stadiums instead the trend of building one multipurpose stadium.
He was referring to the mini-putt style Astroturf of decades ago. The super thin, fine-textured tacky and bright green first generation turf, which is long obsolete. He was making a point about how domes of the future way back then all had the dreaded indoor bright green Astroturf surface in those days. He was drawing parallels between how we viewed stadiums and domes of 40 years ago in comparison with the more ergononical designs of today. Back then MLB domes were state of the art but they all came with first generation Astroturf. There was no way around having Astroturf inside a dome stadium back then. The same compromise doesn't exhist these days.
@@junkbox_ it opened in spring 2000 I was in high school . This isn’t accurate what he said wasn’t close to built in 92. They plenty of stadiums/ballparks actually opened in the 90s.
Tropicana Field is an example of a stadium that was built BEHIND its time.
Absolutely!😂😂😂😂
@@412StepUp I'm a Rays fan, and they genuinely have improved the Trop over the years. But it still feels like a baseball stadium built in the Soviet Union.
@Garrett it never even struck me as a baseball stadium
@@djtrankilo231 It's actually the first purpose-built indoor baseball stadium. The others that came before it were multipurpose. It's funny because the Trop hosted arena football and NHL games before it was ever used for baseball. Had they built it in the mid 70s, it would have been beloved. It's not a bad place to watch a game, but it was outdated by the mid 00s and should have been replaced after the 2008 season.
I like the Trop. I think it's cute. There's nothing wrong with it. It is, by far, the best dome ever built for baseball, certainly far better than the Metrodome or the Superdome.
I think Olympic Stadium in Montreal was like the forgotten prototype of super stadiums (plus it also cost a billion dollars). It just looks so futuristic. The retro futurism of the 60s and 70s. Plus it has the not functional retractable roof. The Skydome being the first large scale retractable roof (that worked) deserves a mention as well
I agree and also the whole retro futuristic architecture is why it's one of my favorite stadiums.
Astro turf was name after the Astrodome as the first major turf installation. It's easy to dump on it now but the Astrodome would have been a failure without it.
The houston oilers moving in ruined the astrodome.
It was cool when it was baseball only. 2:15 The outfield wall was so cool with the video board covering the whole wall. Ahead of its time.
Butt Adams wanted 10,000 more seats for the Oilers. The only place to build them meant they had to tear out the giant scoreboard. That removed the charm of the Astrodome. It did not have the complete outfield ring until the 1990s when Adams got his wish for more seats.
Lol "butt"
@@orangehoof ...then he left anyway, just like the Raiders and Mount Davis.
The Astrodome was always multi-purpose. The University of Houston began playing football in the 'Dome in its first year, but the Oilers didn't move in until 1968 because they balked at the rent. The football configuration was also used for various dirt events between football and baseball seasons, such as motorcycle races, demolition derbies, the Astro Grand Prix midget car races, Rodeo Houston, and even bullfights. Two NASL clubs, the Stars and the Hurricane, set up their pitch within the baseball configuration. Then there was basketball (the 1968 UH-UCLA matchup, the 1971 NCAA Final Four, and some Houston Rockets games), and the Battle of the Sexes tennis match.
I think Skydome (Rodgers Centre) should have made this list. I believe it was the first MLB stadium with a fully retractable roof.
True, and they didn’t start making more until 1998
They used 150 year old technology to open and close Skydome by using standard rail track.
Railroad track dimensions were actually based on the width of a horse's ass. So the modern marvel that was Skydome in 1989 was all possible based on the industry standard of rail lines which were adapted from the dimensional width of a horse's ass.
It is a solid stadium and the roof is very practical. I rate that building highly, especially after some of the recent field upgrades.
Also too, back in the day the pitcher's mound at Skydome was actually raised by pumping water in underneath the mound. It was floating like a boat in a canal lock. I don't know if they do it like that anymore since the dirt infield was added a while back.
I suspect the floating pitcher's mound is no longer a thing but it was a unique system for it's time.
@@junkbox_ what were the benefits of the water-pumped mound?
@@adanalyst6925 The system is designed to have a quick turnover when going from baseball to other stadium modes. A Disc raises or lowers with hydraulic flow.
RFK (Nationals) and Sun Life (Marlins) stadiums also used the same process with the pitcher's mound.
Kansas City had for site to build a separate stadiums for the Royals and Chiefs. In73 that was ground breaking now it's common place.
It's a pity they never did that rolling roof.
And they both look beautiful and have aged well for being 50 years old.
Marlins Park was originally built with a silver roof. But, they had to get rid of it, as it was in the flight path of MIA and the sun's reflection was blinding the pilots.
Also, I believe they also removed the pool in left field.
You left out the number one ahead of its time stadium with the first retractable roof built in 72 AD the Roman Colosseum
My Baltimore cousins took me to Camden a few years after it opened. A really nice ballpark. Great atmosphere. Retro looking but new. Highly recommend people check it out.
Tampa , Toronto , Arizona , Texas and Miami all play on some iteration of “Astroturf”…
I always thought the Skydome was ahead of its time. The retractable roof actually worked for that one
Oddly, despite its opulence, the Astrodome was relatively cheap. Consider:
1. Olympic Stadium: $1.4 billion
2. Veteran's Stadium: $60 million
3. Three Rivers Stadium: $55 million
4. Riverfront Stadium: $45 million
5. Astrodome: $34 million
6. Shea Stadium: $28 million
7. Jack Murphy Stadium: $27 million
8. Busch Stadium: $24 million (1966)
9. Dodger Stadium: $24 million
10. RFK Stadium: $24 million
11. Atlanta Stadium: $18 million
12. Candlestick Park: $15 million (original design, 1960)
the Astrodome is still there but Harris County doesn't want to put money into it because of that Columbian County Judge.
The Civic Arena in Pittsburgh actually wasn't built for hockey. It was built for the Pittsburgh Civic Light Opera because they were having to cancel performances at Pitt Stadium back then.
Turn astrodome into s indoor amusement park, water park or like ice skating rink
They proposed that. Voters rejected it
Six Flags allowed Astroworld to be razed because of rising gang violence and assaults. An amusement park will never return to the area.
I do like this idea of an indoor amusement park but we don't live in those times anymore. In some areas amusement parks are like malls and are best avoided.
These places attract the wrong people all season long and even Disney is too cucked-out with coddlism to kick them out of their own parks.
@@junkbox_ that's a shame. I'm not form Houston but remember the astrodome fondly as a little kid and it was in the bad news bears baseball movie. I just hope it can be preserved somehow or maybe it's just not worth it.
Astrodome is an historic landmark it’s not getting torn down
they aren't gonna demolish the Astrodome it has Texas State Landmark and a National Landmark Status.
How about Pilot Field AKA Sahlen Field? Yeah, I know it is a relatively small minor league stadium but without it Camden Yards would have never existed. So, I would argue that Pilot Field was the real ahead of its time downtown retro classic ballpark.
When you walk by the Astrodome going to NRG it looks so tiny compared to NRG.
Gotta Mention Madison Square Garden built on top of a major transit station i don’t think anyone has done that before or since, you have places like Barclays Center, Citi Field & Yankee Stadium that have subway stations right outside but not connected to the building.
Boston's TD Garden is also built on top of a major transit station if I'm not mistaken.
Olympic Stadium in Montreal.
Olympic Stadium is way out in the suburbs on the edge of town. MSG is suspended above 20 storeys of gridded underground infrastructure that goes many dozens of blocks in any direction from.
There is nothing but Earth under Olympic Stadium, two tunnel-bored Metro stations are completely offset from the stadium.
The lease at MSG is ending soon, they may actually raze that site and rebuild MSG at a new location. I think the current MSG is actually the third one because it was relocated twice before.
I think there is a supertall being proposed at the site of MSG.
@junkbox_ It's the 4th one; the first two were by Madison Square on the east side of Manhattan, the third one was by Hell's Kitchen on the west side.
@@junkbox_ NYC is ridiculous with the plan to move MSG they have no plans or finances set to rebuild Penn Station but want MSG out in 3 years without even starting on a new building in a new location the whole situation is a mess
AT&T Stadium was designed to be a modernized Texas Stadium (the original home of the Dallas Cowboys). If you look at pictures of Texas Stadium, you’d see the similarities between AT&T Stadium and Texas Stadium. The only flaw Texas Stadium had was that it was built without a retractable roof.
Correct!!! I'm glad someone could could see that. It came out kool AF too!!! Total futuristic version of it. I hope they modernize the Hell out of the Cotton Bowl. It's still a money maker to me💯
Nope. The cowboys played in Dallas Texas at the Cotton bowl for almost 12 seasons before they abandoned Dallas.
Texas Stadium is located in Irving Texas
I know where they played at, and I know their history. You're nope is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the Cowboys. I'm taking about the City of Dallas, Dallas County, and/or private investor there, or anywhere that sees the Cotton Bowl as a future money maker.
It’s the Civic ARENA. Lots of cities have civic centers but not Pittsbugh had the Civic Arena. I got to see the roof open a few times. It was built for the Civic Light Opera but when open the sound just left the building. Bad acoustics did it in but it hosted everything from hockey and concerts to religious revivals and indoor soccer.
When it's time to replace Heinz Field, it would be incredible to have an upscaled Civic Arena type design.
Another correction: Marlins Park, opened in 2012, was NOT the first park built with under 40,000 capacity "in forever". PNC (again in Pittsburgh) was opened in 2001 and has a capacity of under 40K (38,000 capacity). Unless in 2012, 2001 was considered to be "forever".
Elvis sold out the Astrodome in 1974 setting attendance record. The reason it hasn't been imploded is due to high cost of demolition. It's been reported that it would cost about $50 million now. And with inflation that cost is rising.
Isn't there asbestos in the Astrodome also?
@@Gage_Brumley Yes from sitting empty and unused for so many years.
Lucas Oil Stadium looks like an old armory-- not that that's a bad thing. Such is actually a pretty good design feature for an enclosed rectangular ballpark.
The old Giants Stadium was built pretty much like Arrowhead Stadium. The spirals, the escalators etc. They both opened around the same time. The only difference is endzone upperdeck isnt as big.
I would have a stadium/arena museum in the astrodome. I would think it would be a good idea.
Roy Hofheinz should be in the hall.
0:24 Houston Gamblers, and Houston Roughnecks in The Astrodome or NRG Stadium(not TDECU Stadium)
Arrowheads upper deck is unique but so is the upper deck at Kauffman. Didnt you kind of wanted that demolished? Both stadiums are iconic.
I love both of them. Unfortunately the Royals are looking at demolishing Kauffman and moving downtown
@@adanalyst6925 They don't need a new stadium.
Arrowhead was great because it was like the first football only stadium snd has great view from every seat
Actually, the first football-only stadium in the NFL was Schaefer Stadium in Foxboro, which opened in 1971. It had, by far, the best sightlines of any stadium in the NFL. Unfortunately, most of the seats were aluminum benches and Route 1 traffic was murder.
How 'bout a miniature theme park inside the Astrodome??????????
For some odd reason I really would like to go too a Marlins game in Florida something about that stadium looks cool and they have a bobblehead museum there last I heard. Also Sofi stadium in Inglewood, CA
If you go to Marlins Park, sit along the 1st base side. Between home plate and 1s base. The view of downtown Miami through the glass will leave you breathless. 1st time I was at Marlins Park (without looking into where's a great place to sit, I sat along the 3rd baseline. Ever since, I sit along the 1st baseline. Unless, I decide to partake in one of those all you can eat days. Then your seats are in right field, by the foul pole.
Astrodome cannot be legally demolished as it’s registered on the NRHP, otherwise it would’ve gone down after the Astros moved out in 2000.
You do good videos, but please do some research before recording. It would take your videos to a next level. The Astrodome seating did not completely circle the first when it opened because of the scoreboard. You used photos that show this. The entire field was originally grass. It was the first stadium to use artificial turf, which was named fro the stadium. Kaufman/Arrowhead were ahead of their time because they chose to build two stadiums instead the trend of building one multipurpose stadium.
The Astrodome would have to vote to downgraded the national historic marker before the demo it.
Lucas Oil is a beautiful stadium. Hats off to the architects.
The Civic Arena in Pittsburgh was never called the Civic Center.
I always thought that the Superdome in New Orleans was ahead of its time when built.
Should have included Shibe Park! First park made of steel!
Killed the grass!!! Lol!
What about BC Place in Vancouver?
Kudos to Arrowhead.
You think the Astrodome was ahead of its time, Walter O'Malley a decade prior was trying to get a dome for his then Brooklyn Dodgers.
I believe dbacks play in artificial turf now too.
I wonder if Bass Pro Shops would be interested in the Astrodome? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not? The Pyramid in Memphis went from sports arena to Bass Pro Shop.
It's all in capacity of mind, minding capacity ....
They should renovated the Astrodome and should’ve made home for the houston dinamo of mls
It is what it is
There are currently 5 MLB parks that use artificial turf, not none.
They don't use Astroturf, they use something like Field Turf, which is newer and feels more like actual grass.
He was referring to the mini-putt style Astroturf of decades ago. The super thin, fine-textured tacky and bright green first generation turf, which is long obsolete.
He was making a point about how domes of the future way back then all had the dreaded indoor bright green Astroturf surface in those days.
He was drawing parallels between how we viewed stadiums and domes of 40 years ago in comparison with the more ergononical designs of today.
Back then MLB domes were state of the art but they all came with first generation Astroturf. There was no way around having Astroturf inside a dome stadium back then. The same compromise doesn't exhist these days.
Drop another stadium battle today with progressive field please!!
What about SkyDome?
Arrowhead was opened in 1972.
Astrodome looks puny next to NRG stadium
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Depressed Ginger. Why are you depressed? You make great 👍 videos!
How about pnc park in for the Pittsburgh pirates
Oh god what is he up to now…..
ATT and sofi have the same architecture firm. Both stadiums are quite sterile.
So fi seems super fituristic with all the indoor lighting panels
Trust depressed ginger 😊
Sorry but you need your facts I am from San Francisco Oracle Park was open in 2000 not the 90’s please fact check your information
It is a 1990s park designed and built in the 1990s.
@@junkbox_ it opened in spring 2000 I was in high school . This isn’t accurate what he said wasn’t close to built in 92. They plenty of stadiums/ballparks actually opened in the 90s.
Should've specified you were only covering US stadiums. Thumbs down.
Why does this guy always sound like he’s yelling?
My ears are bleeding from your voice!
Naw dude, Marlins stadium sucks
Do you ever actually fact check your videos or do you purposely put out terrible videos?
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