I believe you misinterpreted his use of time loop. A Time Loop is something within the flow of time that is very hard to break away from, making it harder to form new branching time streams. IE, it would be nearly impossible for any timestream to break away from the big blue hand since that is the creation, the source of time. What the question feared was that if Luthor did become president, regardless of when and how it happens, everything that happened in the Justice Lords Universe would translate into the main universe. One Singular event two different time streams, one ultimate conclusion. Another way to explain this would be to use the extinction event that caused the dinosaurs to die out. In Timeline A, the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, in Timeline B the dinosaurs did not die out 65 million years ago. However, the possibility of a Extinction event happening within Timeline B is still present. So while in Timeline A the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, and Timeline B they may still be around up until 25 million years ago, or still around up until tomorrow. Regardless, once an Extinction event happens in Timeline B, it is suffice to say that things will start to replicate themselves within the two timelines after the extinction event, albeit perhaps skewed due to the difference in timeframe. Mankind might never become the dominant species of Timeline B Earth, but the Thanagarian people may still seek to build their hyperspace bypass in both timelines within the same timeframe.
Christopher Hall this could make sense with his objectivity and Ayn Rand philosophy, right? He says A is A, Luthor is Luthor which is straight up objectivist ideology. If Luthor becomes President, Flash dies, Superman kills Luthor, the League and superheroes fall. He was hellbent on stopping it and was willing to kill so that Superman would never get the chance. Didn't bank on Brainiac though. This could be accurate but that said Time Loop does generally mean the same thing happens over and over and over and no matter what, you have to find a way to break the loop but often, trying to break the loop just is part of the loop itself. The most recent season of Agents of SHIELD is about this. They have no idea how many times they've gone through the loop and they meet future versions of themselves or find out something is going to happen and so they try to make sure X doesn't happen but it ends up happening anyway. In this case, if it's that definition the proposed time loop would probably be something like this*: * Luthor is elected President * Flash dies, Superman kills Luthor * Justice League becomes the Lords. * Alternate universe Justice LEAGUE (or alternate timeline/past version of the Lords) encounter the Lords * Lords enter the League universe/timeline/past but the League ostensibly beats the Lords * Cadmus finds out about the Lords in the League universe/timeline/past * League-universe/timeline Lex announces candidacy * Events of Cadmus Arc here * Questions Time Loop theory: Luthor is elected President. * Flash dies; Superman kills Luthor * Justice League becomes the Lords. * Alternate universe Justice LEAGUE (or alternate timeline/past version of the Lords) encounter the Lords * Lords enter the League universe/timeline/past but the League ostensibly beats the Lords * Cadmus finds out about the Lords in the League universe/timeline/past * League-universe/timeline Lex announces candidacy... and the loop repeats. Question was going to try to kill Luthor in the hopes that it'd break the loop but he may have also had the secondary idea that perhaps this attempt on Luthors life would be part of the loop as well and that he somehow fails only for Luthor to continue on to the White House and for the Justice Lords to happen anyway. But being a hero, he has to try. *Note: this time loop is assuming the Justice Lords universe is actually a possible future/timeline/universe and so the League was technically travelling forward in time when they travelled to the Lords universe. That's how alternate universes and timelines work in Marvel (they're synonymous, kind of like squares and rectangles -- an alternate future is always an alternate universe but an alternate universe can also be wholly different as well like Marvel's short-lived "New universe" or the Ultimate universe which isn't so much an alternate future but an entirely unique alternate universe with a lot of similar characters but is contemporary with the main universe and thus not actually a different timeline per se). This is also kind of what Hypertime in DC is. But anyway! That means the Lords were not just alternate versions of the League, they were also however much older.
@@avace917 that would be the inevitable conclusion if superman killed luthor as question feared, all would happen then justice league goes all hey, theres that other timeline where this didnt happen yet, and boom they pull a justice lords on the super friends
A couple of questions occured to me after watching _Crisis on Two Earths_ (which was originally written as a link between Justice League and Justice League Unlimited). First is whether there's a _Justice Lords_ version of the Crime Syndicate -- the Crime Lords, I guess -- which is more brutal and authoritarian than the Crime Syndicate. And the second is how the Justice Lords stack up against the Crime Syndicate. Both are more violent and oppressive versions of the Justice League, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. In particular, I'm curious how Justice Lords Batman would fare against Owlman, who kicked _our_ Batman's ass.
NoJusticeNoPeace the Justice Lord's are like the regime in injustice or the Titans of tomorrow a group who decided they needed to use their powers to control society. Crime syndicate ate just an evil version. Of the league they wouldn't need to have a regime counter parts. Owlman said all realities are paths they chose to take. Owlman assumes every action is taken by another counterpart thus making his actions moot.
Well, The Question as depicted here is only a few solid ticks above the character he inspired, Rorschach. I think that he is almost an 'as close as cartoons will allow expy' of Rorschach's insanity. Comic Book Question has his moments, but not quite like this. So his final theories are definitely open to scrutiny. Confronting Luthor was foolish. Forget about Brainiac, Lex could have a mech suit hidden inside his real suit, or had his body replaced ala Metallo. I compare the Lords' situation to Evil Zephram Cochrane from the Mirror Universe intro of 'ST Enterprise'. You don't just up and decide to rush and pillage the first aliens to land on Earth; prior history made the people into the mob that sacked the Vulcans. Something like 'A Sound Of Thunder' could have happened in that world, but if we're looking for specific drivers, here's my theories: 1 - Hamilton's portal in 'Brave New Metropolis' failed. Lois did not go to the other world, and was thus unable to tell Superman how his counterpart went wrong. 2 - Similarly, Karl Rossum's daughter never died. No HARDAC, and Batman is just one step less opposed to a controlled society. 3 - On the ambush that would have led to Darkseid's capture and brainwashing of Superman, Supergirl tags along and they are able to escape in time. No hard reminder of how his power can be abused, and no public questioning of their great hero. 4 - J'onn escapes from Mars itself and warns the heroes of what they will soon face against the Not-White-Martians. Diana is caught by her mother stealing the WW gear; an argument makes her banishment 100% clear from the get go. The aliens actually target Themyscira, causing Hippolyta to ask the Gods to pull them out of this reality. J'onn is as a result more pro-active from the start and Diana will never be able to return home. 5 - "Kind of like a bunch of Super Friends?" "More like--Our Gang. A gang of Justice Lords, guaranteeing the peace." 6 - The Special Ops Team in 'Eclipsed' dies in a cave-in. Since saving the day couldn't redeem his antics, Flash seriouses up and determines to find a way to prove he isn't a joke. This makes him braver but also more reckless. 7 - The Big Bang in Dakota goes seriously wrong. Most of the kids aren't just freakish, they are outright monsters. A group of younger heroes tries to quiet things, and get badly injured. Batman especially forces the young heroes out of the business. He forcibly retires his entire block of trainees. The upshot is that the adult heroes are forced to play rough, creating an appetite among some in the public for a firmer hand. By using this authoritarian streak, Luthor is able to enter the White House in the next election by seemingly supporting the heroes but also creating suspicion about them. Once in the White House, he stops using Green K, liking the idea that he can goad Superman into coming at him before pulling back. A few less years of constant exposure stops his cancer from spreading anywhere near as fast, perhaps also leaving it more treatable when discovered. Flash gets fed up after a Luthor speech and speeds to Camp David to tell baldy off--and it is a trap... Maybe our man Vic Sage should have spoken of a time spiral, moving downward to Armageddon after infecting a new history.
Thanks! And I just realized - the surprise they all showed at seeing an AU may indicate Lords' Superman never encountered an alternate world, or knew anyone that did.
I know I'm replying to a year old comment but these are all interesting ideas that you thought out, as the differences between the Lords and the League's world is something that I've been pondering about ever since seeing "A Better World". What you brought up actually sounds very plausible to have happened. Individual events that eventually culminate into the Justice Lords we see in the episode. What I've been wondering most about was what war was President Luthor trying to cause at the beginning of the episode? Just based on the episode we know it was some kind of nuclear war or WWIII but who or what was the war between? Do you think that it was somewhat similar to what The Question was fearing? a war between the Justice League and the government or something else?
@@davidnorth6050 Maybe Lords-Lex was starting in with the North Korea expy we saw in the JLU S1 Premiere, or if we look at the CW, Markovia, which tries to develop their own metas in any continuity.
Just..uh... Don't tel Vic he's wrong... Also, poor Mattie. Now he's gotta do PARALLEL timelines. How many episodes before his brain melts out of his ears...
Like you guys pointed out in the Yellow Batsuit Video, the Justice Lords Universe had the Nightwing, Batgirl and Robin suits on display. Its not clear what happened to them, but that means the changes could potentially go back to TNBA/STAS
Wait... does Batman's lie imply that they were never called the Justice LEAGUE.. or could it also imply that he's simply highlighting that they're still operating the way they used to? "They call themselves the Justice LEAGUE (like WE used to...)" I never thought that it meant that they were always the Lords but I guess it certainly could be. ALSO, also, another change could very likely even during STAS -- if Lex got elected President earlier, then Brainiac may very well not be influencing his actions since Brainiac likes to calculate things precisely. As Lex said in JLU "President.... do you know how much POWER I'd have to give up to be PRESIDENT?" Now that could easily be just Lex talking, but Brainiac was subtly controlling his actions during this time for specific purposes. Brainiac obviously never intended for Lex to be President because Brainiac doesn't give a crap about the political machinations of a planet that he'll just destroy anyway. It was all just a means to an end. So perhaps the STAS episode where Brainiac shoots Lex could have ended differently with Lex somehow avoiding the blast in the Lords universe. I don't know how well this works as I haven't actually watched the Lords episodes in a while but maybe Question's thinking works if he/we assume that in the Lords universe, most of the major public events up to Lex's presidency were the same or more or less the same with subtle differences that wouldn't impact Question's reasoning. Because no one knows about Brainiac's manipulations, Question would have to believe, and have solid reasoning to believe, that they were stuck in a time loop. Obviously that wasn't the case purely thanks to Brainiac's involvement. * Only possible pre-JL change is that Brainiac doesn't implant nanites into Lex. * Justice League forms just as it did in the main universe/timeline * Thanagarian invasion happens as it did before. * Team takes Shayera back even if they're less trusting during a period of expansion similar to JLU. * In 2003/2004, Lex, while not under the subtle control of Brainiac, makes a legitimate bid for the Presidency and gets elected. Cadmus could have likely still been around due to Darkseid's brainwashing of Superman, the Thanagarian invasion, etc. * Lex kills Flash; is potentially going insane from prolonged exposure to Kryptonite but who knows? The original core team attacks the White House. Superman kills Luthor thus triggering the next big change. * Original members disband the expanded League in an address similar to the one given at the conclusion of the Cadmus arc albeit more forceful and authoritarian. If we believe the Lords universe is even darker than we may have originally seen, then if Green Arrow dared to speak up as he did in JLU, Superman could have killed him (as in Injustice) or, much more likely given the way the Lords seemed to operate, may have removed his arm to prevent him from using a bow (as in DKR). * Original League members, sans Flash, become Justice Lords. The Question assumes all variables, or at least the ones with far reaching consequences, are the same because the public events: Darkseid brainwashing Superman, Thanagarian Invasion, formation of Cadmus, JL expansion, remained the same up until Lex became President. While we're never told there was an expanded JL, is there anything in the episode that explicitly states that there wasn't? The League wouldn't think to ask and it wouldn't really come up so unless I'm forgetting something...? Some of the other Cadmus files on the alternate universe may shed more light on how he formed his hypothesis. But it's important to remember that the major change that Question and even Cadmus would be unaware of, is the Brainiac angle. So that leads me to believe that it's the only big pre-JL change and it's one no one would know about. So maybe Question's theory made more sense in that regard?
Iunno dude, he really sounded like he'd never heard the term 'league' before. Like almost like in their universe, people watch the National Football Lords and jules verne wrote 20,000 Lords Under the Sea
I think that they changed there name to the justice lords to intimidate people more. I doubt anyone like the og justice league would can themselves the justice lords if they wanted to be seen a friendly.
Isabel Rentoul Never said he’d believe Alex. That said, since this Question’s probably right wing, he’d likely give Alex’s conspiracies some thought (he really was onto something with gay frogs (turns out the chemicals are turning the frogs TRANS)).
The simplest explanation is that Earth 12 and Earth 50 are slightly out of sync with one and other. The Justice Lords timeline being slightly ahead of the Leagues. In Superman Rebirth, Earth 12's Superman appears for a Multiverse story, but he's dressed in his Beyond costume while the main comic Superman is still in his late 30s early 40s.
It's like the Marvel multiverse. Some alternate universes could be considered an alternate timeline but they're a separate universe. The possible dark futures of 616 (i.e. Days of Future Past dark future for instance) is a separate universe. I don't remember it's designation but Old Man Logan came from the future... but that future was an alternate universe separate from 616. Any alternate timeline is usually considered an alternate universe so time travel, at least in Marvel, is kind of like simply hopping universes instead. In fact, with the concept of DC's hypertime, which is basically the same concept that each timeline is it's own separate reality that can crossover into other timelines, then I'm under the impression that the Lords' universe is nearly the same up until Lex officially becoming President.
Oh! I just thought of something due to thinking about the Lords and alternate timelines/universes and multiverse -- if JLU ever returned for another season (pipe dream even with YJ Season 3), it would be really cool if the team is transported to the Gods and Monsters universe. I know that film was technically not DCAU but boy oh boy is the animation the same style. Would be cool to sort of fold that into the DCAU multiverse imo.
I think lord Batman was suprised that the league still called themselves the league. Also the fact that flash was dead and luthor becoming. President those were major factors in the leagues conversion to the Lord's.also the event of luthor becoming president in the main reality was a subtle way of showing the shows direction going forward. Another I stance the league's decision to banish doomsday to the phantom zone. However confirmed the league will never faulter be ause they faced robot versions of the Lord's but run into version with flash.
I think the thanagarian invasion happened and they kill most of the Heroes included flash so the nations give the power to the super humans something that could have happened in Jlu universe
Parallel universes are always nutty. So much shit is different, yet so much shit is the same. Makes you think there's some prime form of reality and/or an intelligent force trying to nudge them into a certain pattern
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"Because it's Thursday," is now one of my favorite phrases. I know you upload other times too, but there's a certain giddiness I feel when the video starts off with the aforementioned quote. Also, yes. I would marry you. I needed the two weeks to think about it. But, I require a date to Taco Bell first. No negotiating that. xp
Question hadn't been sleeping and by his own admission was a "known crackpot" so he was definitely wrong. A comic miniseries covering the Lords universe would be great. I imagine the primary difference being that in that universe, Nietzchie was more influential and so Bruce and Clark believe that they are so superior that the law is beneath them rather than something they work with and supplement when a threat is too great.
3:00 Not necessarily. Since the Flash died, it's possible there was never a Starcrossed-like event in that universe. It's the oldest time travelling fact, you change the one thing, everything can change from then on. You kill a bug, the human race doesn't get to exist. Since Wally died, there was something different at least before that moment, but that tangent could've started at any point in time
My guess is at some point, when they were deciding the name of the team, someone was goin to purpose "Justice Lords" and someone else "Justice Legue", but only the one that spoke first got their idea approved, even by the other one. And it might have been a split second difference between the two universes, but just enough to trigger a butterfly effect.
Lord Superman says he doesn't remember the battle they're watching, and Lord Batman says it isn't them, and it's happening now. The Leaguers were oblivious to this conversation, so they wouldn't have notes on it. There's also the fact that Superman had already resisted the urge to kill, and understood it well enough to know he had to save Flash. Finally, at no point did they need to stop Superman. He wasn't planning to kill Luthor, and he never tried to silence Question with anything more than words. Didn't hesitate to save him from Cadmus, either. This isn't, nor was it ever, the Justice Lords' universe.
I'd like to see you do a video about why Justice Lord Batman helped the Justice League take down his teammates. I have a few theories I would like to share!
If they were still on Cartoon Network they'd have no place. They'd have to turn the show into a stoner comedy and make the characters look like bobbleheads. Every cartoon has to be in that exact same mold so they can use the same scripts about sitting on a couch and eating pizza over and over again.
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I wonder if the Question didn’t mean a Type-1 time loop, but rather a Type-4? The Justice Lords weren’t literally the future Justice League, but rather there’s a loop where another universe will enter the current one to kick off a series of events leading to a culmination of an authoritarian Justice League who will in turn affect another universe to begin the cycle again.
The time loop starts whenever The Flash died Because of how his powers works, he doesn't "Die" but is Erased from the Point in time he died in then those Events are looped over and over due to The powers of the Flash
I've always believed that the justice lords timeline was more like a parallel timeline rather than a loop or a split timeline. Like for example, they have a story similar to the one we know, and there's no specific split in the timeline, it's just a bunch of small differences that lead to a different story.
Well the point of the Cadmus arc was that The Question was already wrong since he never took into account how petty Luthor was and that Superman would never turn against his moral code, unlike Lord Superman.
I know this video is a year old, but I always thought that Batman mentioned the fact they’re called Justice League instead of Justice Lords to indirectly say that they never lost their Flash.
i watched the justice league and justice league unlimited on netflix, the first season finale for justice league unlimited explains how the justice league lost the flash and how they became the justice lords. basically its almost a time loop expect in the first season finale of unlimited the league save their flash.
Actually she got with Lords Batman and they worked towards taking down the other Lords until Lords Wonder Woman killed Lords Batman, and was in turned killed by JL Wonder Woman. Then WW comes back to the main universe in the Beyond time period, if I recall correctly Bruce welcomes her back but Superman and Terry are somewhat suspicious that she’s not telling them everything.
I'm sure somebody else said this already, but both Batmen drive around Gotham. They even go to the Batcave. Yet we don't see Alfred, Dick, Barbara or Tim.
It's not a time Loop you're thinking of a fixed point in time that the whole Luther being president in the Justice Lords being created being a fact within the timeline a Both Worlds
Yo Mattie great video! However the roots of Project Cadmus go back much much farther than the DCAU's 90's because of Captain Atom and the Captain Nazi serum (as seen in JLU: Patriot Act).
To answer your question no it wasn't directly stated, however it was heavily implied. My theory is that at some point after World War two the government established secret agencies to deal with supervillains and covert missions (since it's implied the JSA both existed and retired) as well as conduct research on things like the Captain Nazi serum. Among those agencies were Project Cadmus (research)and Task Force X (supervillains). There are three moments in particular that confirm this theory. Number One: It was implied by Waller in JLU: Task Force X that Flags father was involved in a prior version of the Suicide Squad thus subtly confirming the Suicide Squad's earlier versions. Number Two: Captain Atoms existence, in the comics he got his powers carried out by a government project known as the Captain Atom Project in the 60s. It is logical to assume that the Captain Atom Project was one of Cadmus's earliest plots. This was also confirmed (kind of) by Eiling after Atom and Superman fought Mantis. I realize that the DCAU and the main comics take place on different earths but it's still viable. Number Three: when Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid in TAS he was held at a government facility designed to neutralize him, it is very possible that this facility was under the control of Cadmus. With all of this evidence (and some other stuff I probably missed) Cadmus couldn't have possibly been created after the Justice Lords attacked. Instead it was the fallout from the Justice Lords that resulted in the League discovering Cadmus's existence. By the way this is the single longest comment I have ever made...anyway keep up the good work guys and let me know what you think.
Star-crossed never happened probably because Hawk girl thought it was a bad Idea the earth was too unified under the lords to be subjugated without significant losses.
What do you even called a world/society controlled my heroes? Heroism? XD I always rly love Justice Lord episodes it was so cool and as you pointed out, brought out a lot of questions. Btw I love you..... ...... r Shirt! It’s pretty rad. I think Justice Lords changed with Batman. He probably assembled the league earlier to stop Cadmus. Idk just random theory.
Happy birthday Mattie I hope I spelled your name right and also what about that other alternate universe with superman and lex taking over the world? Maybe that world sorta happened in the Lords Universe?
Raul Medrano Jr Brave New Metropolis? It's certainly still out there but I don't think it could have happened in the Lords timeline too. It's one or the other. That said, it does raise an interesting point -- if two alternate universes were otherwise identical but then diverge at a certain point (let's say the divergence happened in either JL or JLU when it comes to the Lords universe), does that mean the Lords Superman, back during STAS era... ALSO visited the Brave New Metropolis universe? And does that mean at least two versions of that scenario exist in the multiverse (one that was for when Leagueverse Superman visited it and the other for Lordverse Superman to visit)? And if Lordverse is actually an alternate timeline and possible future, then that means he was actually the same exact Superman we saw IN STAS who saw that Brave New Metropolis universe but then still turned bad down the road, only as a Lord instead of teaming up with Lex.
I KNOW RIGHT! And when he saw that Superman executed Luthor his reaction was very out of character, he simply went ahead and said "Well, it had to be done". When I saw this scene again recently I was shocked and very weirded out by it, it's like Batman has been through a lot of different things in the past making his personality completely different.
Calling it inevitable made sense, but I could never headcannon a reason why he was calling it a time loop. There was no evidence to suggest the other universe created itself
I think the fall elections thing means that at the time we see the Lords, the year is 2005 because the civilian population and the POTUS are complaining about election delays.
I have always wondered in the Justice Lords universe if the Star Crossed invasion ever happened. Is the justice lords hot girls still playing the other five heroes? And if that’s true then the star crossed invasion would’ve been completely different in the justice lords universe. Meaning by the time they showed up Hawkgirl, Along with the rest of the justice Lord’s are currently being held in prison in the main DCAU Worlds prison. I mean Hawk people would show up in all there would be is Batman and then the Thangarians What does show up and say fuck it this planet is ours.
Its most likely just an alternate Earth as I believe Earth 92 is The Animated Series Universe and thanks to Grant Morrisons Multiversity Earth 50 is The Justice Lords
Thanks! I’ve always interpreted that line as Batman trusting Superman’s judgment, even if it was something that horrific. If Superman did that, he must have had a good reason. But also this is a world where the morality of the heroes is a bit skewed.
There is a Flashpoint. It can be confirm when the question is looking at the files he stole. Lex might have kill the flash because of what he did or change
The “Flashpoint” comic event didn’t happen until years after that JLU episode aired, and the next episode is called “Flashpoint.” Who knows what was in that file?
I am aware there is this file. But it very likely wouldn’t have anything to do with the “Flashpoint” comic event because that wouldn’t happen until several years later. “Flashpoint” is just a word as well.
I am more concerned about why the Guardians of the Universe didn't intervene in the Justice Lords' reality when they seized power. Surely, they would not tolerate Green Lantern John Stewart abusing his power ring like that.
You make a few early assumptions that you, perhaps, shouldn't have. Batman being 'surprised' (mildly?) at the name of the other group could simply be him reminding the others of their own, _earlier_ , naive time (in other words, that could have been a name they had, until they decided taking over the world was for the best). This means it could have been something other than Lex's rise that triggered the differences, like perhaps The Flash getting killed by a villain that the government was responsible for creating in the first place? For example, what if the Gov't commissioned the creation of Amazo from Cadmus or whatever, as a stop-gap to the supers getting out of control someday, only to ironically cause that very scenario to occur? Amazo murders Barry, the Gov't goes, "whoopsie', and the history are set on their darker path.
I felt Question tend to over read time to time and with his cynicism overlooks the factor it was universe with different tangent with an aggressive sense of control
Those aren't the right questions the right question is what was the root of these changes. My guess starfire biased on her original story and the teen titans of the time her escape changes a lot of things be it sooer, later or not at all.
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Mattie Washburn well I never would have thought of it if you guys didn't start making awesome timeline videos, so thank you
I believe you misinterpreted his use of time loop. A Time Loop is something within the flow of time that is very hard to break away from, making it harder to form new branching time streams. IE, it would be nearly impossible for any timestream to break away from the big blue hand since that is the creation, the source of time. What the question feared was that if Luthor did become president, regardless of when and how it happens, everything that happened in the Justice Lords Universe would translate into the main universe. One Singular event two different time streams, one ultimate conclusion. Another way to explain this would be to use the extinction event that caused the dinosaurs to die out. In Timeline A, the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, in Timeline B the dinosaurs did not die out 65 million years ago. However, the possibility of a Extinction event happening within Timeline B is still present. So while in Timeline A the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, and Timeline B they may still be around up until 25 million years ago, or still around up until tomorrow. Regardless, once an Extinction event happens in Timeline B, it is suffice to say that things will start to replicate themselves within the two timelines after the extinction event, albeit perhaps skewed due to the difference in timeframe. Mankind might never become the dominant species of Timeline B Earth, but the Thanagarian people may still seek to build their hyperspace bypass in both timelines within the same timeframe.
Christopher Hall this could make sense with his objectivity and Ayn Rand philosophy, right? He says A is A, Luthor is Luthor which is straight up objectivist ideology. If Luthor becomes President, Flash dies, Superman kills Luthor, the League and superheroes fall. He was hellbent on stopping it and was willing to kill so that Superman would never get the chance. Didn't bank on Brainiac though.
This could be accurate but that said Time Loop does generally mean the same thing happens over and over and over and no matter what, you have to find a way to break the loop but often, trying to break the loop just is part of the loop itself. The most recent season of Agents of SHIELD is about this. They have no idea how many times they've gone through the loop and they meet future versions of themselves or find out something is going to happen and so they try to make sure X doesn't happen but it ends up happening anyway.
In this case, if it's that definition the proposed time loop would probably be something like this*:
* Luthor is elected President
* Flash dies, Superman kills Luthor
* Justice League becomes the Lords.
* Alternate universe Justice LEAGUE (or alternate timeline/past version of the Lords) encounter the Lords
* Lords enter the League universe/timeline/past but the League ostensibly beats the Lords
* Cadmus finds out about the Lords in the League universe/timeline/past
* League-universe/timeline Lex announces candidacy
* Events of Cadmus Arc here
* Questions Time Loop theory: Luthor is elected President.
* Flash dies; Superman kills Luthor
* Justice League becomes the Lords.
* Alternate universe Justice LEAGUE (or alternate timeline/past version of the Lords) encounter the Lords
* Lords enter the League universe/timeline/past but the League ostensibly beats the Lords
* Cadmus finds out about the Lords in the League universe/timeline/past
* League-universe/timeline Lex announces candidacy... and the loop repeats.
Question was going to try to kill Luthor in the hopes that it'd break the loop but he may have also had the secondary idea that perhaps this attempt on Luthors life would be part of the loop as well and that he somehow fails only for Luthor to continue on to the White House and for the Justice Lords to happen anyway. But being a hero, he has to try.
*Note: this time loop is assuming the Justice Lords universe is actually a possible future/timeline/universe and so the League was technically travelling forward in time when they travelled to the Lords universe. That's how alternate universes and timelines work in Marvel (they're synonymous, kind of like squares and rectangles -- an alternate future is always an alternate universe but an alternate universe can also be wholly different as well like Marvel's short-lived "New universe" or the Ultimate universe which isn't so much an alternate future but an entirely unique alternate universe with a lot of similar characters but is contemporary with the main universe and thus not actually a different timeline per se). This is also kind of what Hypertime in DC is. But anyway! That means the Lords were not just alternate versions of the League, they were also however much older.
Nail on the head. Its not a time loop in that they are the same time line, its a time loop in that the events are potentially unavoidable.
How many times would the time loop occur until the other group is called the Superfriends? (Sorry. I couldn't resist)
@@avace917 that would be the inevitable conclusion if superman killed luthor as question feared, all would happen then justice league goes all hey, theres that other timeline where this didnt happen yet, and boom they pull a justice lords on the super friends
@@HovektheArtist makes me wonder whether the Superfriends would have Marvin, Wendy and Wonderdog or the Wondertwins with Gleek
A couple of questions occured to me after watching _Crisis on Two Earths_ (which was originally written as a link between Justice League and Justice League Unlimited). First is whether there's a _Justice Lords_ version of the Crime Syndicate -- the Crime Lords, I guess -- which is more brutal and authoritarian than the Crime Syndicate. And the second is how the Justice Lords stack up against the Crime Syndicate. Both are more violent and oppressive versions of the Justice League, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. In particular, I'm curious how Justice Lords Batman would fare against Owlman, who kicked _our_ Batman's ass.
NoJusticeNoPeace the Justice Lord's are like the regime in injustice or the Titans of tomorrow a group who decided they needed to use their powers to control society. Crime syndicate ate just an evil version. Of the league they wouldn't need to have a regime counter parts. Owlman said all realities are paths they chose to take. Owlman assumes every action is taken by another counterpart thus making his actions moot.
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NoJusticeNoPeace Al... And how Justice Lords Wonder Woman, got Crime Lords' Owlman's Invisible Jet? 🤔.....
@@samuraiforever9120 titans of tomorrow was sick
Well, The Question as depicted here is only a few solid ticks above the character he inspired, Rorschach. I think that he is almost an 'as close as cartoons will allow expy' of Rorschach's insanity. Comic Book Question has his moments, but not quite like this. So his final theories are definitely open to scrutiny. Confronting Luthor was foolish. Forget about Brainiac, Lex could have a mech suit hidden inside his real suit, or had his body replaced ala Metallo.
I compare the Lords' situation to Evil Zephram Cochrane from the Mirror Universe intro of 'ST Enterprise'. You don't just up and decide to rush and pillage the first aliens to land on Earth; prior history made the people into the mob that sacked the Vulcans.
Something like 'A Sound Of Thunder' could have happened in that world, but if we're looking for specific drivers, here's my theories:
1 - Hamilton's portal in 'Brave New Metropolis' failed. Lois did not go to the other world, and was thus unable to tell Superman how his counterpart went wrong.
2 - Similarly, Karl Rossum's daughter never died. No HARDAC, and Batman is just one step less opposed to a controlled society.
3 - On the ambush that would have led to Darkseid's capture and brainwashing of Superman, Supergirl tags along and they are able to escape in time. No hard reminder of how his power can be abused, and no public questioning of their great hero.
4 - J'onn escapes from Mars itself and warns the heroes of what they will soon face against the Not-White-Martians. Diana is caught by her mother stealing the WW gear; an argument makes her banishment 100% clear from the get go. The aliens actually target Themyscira, causing Hippolyta to ask the Gods to pull them out of this reality. J'onn is as a result more pro-active from the start and Diana will never be able to return home.
5 - "Kind of like a bunch of Super Friends?" "More like--Our Gang. A gang of Justice Lords, guaranteeing the peace."
6 - The Special Ops Team in 'Eclipsed' dies in a cave-in. Since saving the day couldn't redeem his antics, Flash seriouses up and determines to find a way to prove he isn't a joke. This makes him braver but also more reckless.
7 - The Big Bang in Dakota goes seriously wrong. Most of the kids aren't just freakish, they are outright monsters. A group of younger heroes tries to quiet things, and get badly injured. Batman especially forces the young heroes out of the business. He forcibly retires his entire block of trainees. The upshot is that the adult heroes are forced to play rough, creating an appetite among some in the public for a firmer hand. By using this authoritarian streak, Luthor is able to enter the White House in the next election by seemingly supporting the heroes but also creating suspicion about them. Once in the White House, he stops using Green K, liking the idea that he can goad Superman into coming at him before pulling back. A few less years of constant exposure stops his cancer from spreading anywhere near as fast, perhaps also leaving it more treatable when discovered.
Flash gets fed up after a Luthor speech and speeds to Camp David to tell baldy off--and it is a trap...
Maybe our man Vic Sage should have spoken of a time spiral, moving downward to Armageddon after infecting a new history.
Really like all of these ideas, nice stuff!
Thanks! And I just realized - the surprise they all showed at seeing an AU may indicate Lords' Superman never encountered an alternate world, or knew anyone that did.
I know I'm replying to a year old comment but these are all interesting ideas that you thought out, as the differences between the Lords and the League's world is something that I've been pondering about ever since seeing "A Better World". What you brought up actually sounds very plausible to have happened. Individual events that eventually culminate into the Justice Lords we see in the episode.
What I've been wondering most about was what war was President Luthor trying to cause at the beginning of the episode? Just based on the episode we know it was some kind of nuclear war or WWIII but who or what was the war between? Do you think that it was somewhat similar to what The Question was fearing? a war between the Justice League and the government or something else?
@@davidnorth6050 Maybe Lords-Lex was starting in with the North Korea expy we saw in the JLU S1 Premiere, or if we look at the CW, Markovia, which tries to develop their own metas in any continuity.
@@shoresean1237 Ngl, the justice lords have cooler outfits than the justice league. If we saw these costumes again, I wouldn't be mad.
“Home of half the cast of Infinity War.”
I hate you for that.
4:57 I wonder if Justice Lords Lex was never exposed as a criminal until he killed Flash and tried to start a nuclear war.
Just..uh... Don't tel Vic he's wrong...
Also, poor Mattie. Now he's gotta do PARALLEL timelines. How many episodes before his brain melts out of his ears...
Like you guys pointed out in the Yellow Batsuit Video, the Justice Lords Universe had the Nightwing, Batgirl and Robin suits on display. Its not clear what happened to them, but that means the changes could potentially go back to TNBA/STAS
Wait... does Batman's lie imply that they were never called the Justice LEAGUE.. or could it also imply that he's simply highlighting that they're still operating the way they used to? "They call themselves the Justice LEAGUE (like WE used to...)" I never thought that it meant that they were always the Lords but I guess it certainly could be.
ALSO, also, another change could very likely even during STAS -- if Lex got elected President earlier, then Brainiac may very well not be influencing his actions since Brainiac likes to calculate things precisely. As Lex said in JLU "President.... do you know how much POWER I'd have to give up to be PRESIDENT?" Now that could easily be just Lex talking, but Brainiac was subtly controlling his actions during this time for specific purposes. Brainiac obviously never intended for Lex to be President because Brainiac doesn't give a crap about the political machinations of a planet that he'll just destroy anyway. It was all just a means to an end. So perhaps the STAS episode where Brainiac shoots Lex could have ended differently with Lex somehow avoiding the blast in the Lords universe.
I don't know how well this works as I haven't actually watched the Lords episodes in a while but maybe Question's thinking works if he/we assume that in the Lords universe, most of the major public events up to Lex's presidency were the same or more or less the same with subtle differences that wouldn't impact Question's reasoning. Because no one knows about Brainiac's manipulations, Question would have to believe, and have solid reasoning to believe, that they were stuck in a time loop. Obviously that wasn't the case purely thanks to Brainiac's involvement.
* Only possible pre-JL change is that Brainiac doesn't implant nanites into Lex.
* Justice League forms just as it did in the main universe/timeline
* Thanagarian invasion happens as it did before.
* Team takes Shayera back even if they're less trusting during a period of expansion similar to JLU.
* In 2003/2004, Lex, while not under the subtle control of Brainiac, makes a legitimate bid for the Presidency and gets elected. Cadmus could have likely still been around due to Darkseid's brainwashing of Superman, the Thanagarian invasion, etc.
* Lex kills Flash; is potentially going insane from prolonged exposure to Kryptonite but who knows? The original core team attacks the White House. Superman kills Luthor thus triggering the next big change.
* Original members disband the expanded League in an address similar to the one given at the conclusion of the Cadmus arc albeit more forceful and authoritarian. If we believe the Lords universe is even darker than we may have originally seen, then if Green Arrow dared to speak up as he did in JLU, Superman could have killed him (as in Injustice) or, much more likely given the way the Lords seemed to operate, may have removed his arm to prevent him from using a bow (as in DKR).
* Original League members, sans Flash, become Justice Lords.
The Question assumes all variables, or at least the ones with far reaching consequences, are the same because the public events: Darkseid brainwashing Superman, Thanagarian Invasion, formation of Cadmus, JL expansion, remained the same up until Lex became President. While we're never told there was an expanded JL, is there anything in the episode that explicitly states that there wasn't? The League wouldn't think to ask and it wouldn't really come up so unless I'm forgetting something...?
Some of the other Cadmus files on the alternate universe may shed more light on how he formed his hypothesis. But it's important to remember that the major change that Question and even Cadmus would be unaware of, is the Brainiac angle. So that leads me to believe that it's the only big pre-JL change and it's one no one would know about. So maybe Question's theory made more sense in that regard?
Iunno dude, he really sounded like he'd never heard the term 'league' before. Like almost like in their universe, people watch the National Football Lords and jules verne wrote 20,000 Lords Under the Sea
I think that they changed there name to the justice lords to intimidate people more. I doubt anyone like the og justice league would can themselves the justice lords if they wanted to be seen a friendly.
They're turning the FREAKING FROGS GAY!! -The Question
warmachinerox7293 lol He really would listen to Alex Jones.
@@smugalice6206 Don't insult the Question like this
Isabel Rentoul Never said he’d believe Alex. That said, since this Question’s probably right wing, he’d likely give Alex’s conspiracies some thought (he really was onto something with gay frogs (turns out the chemicals are turning the frogs TRANS)).
@@smugalice6206 tbh he would probably think alex as an amateur lol
Jessen's Channel True. I bet he’d even suspect Alex of being “a plant.”
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That is a good *question*
Once again, Owlman's reasoning (Crisis on Two Earths) is the best explanation. Monologue starts playing in our heads
The simplest explanation is that Earth 12 and Earth 50 are slightly out of sync with one and other. The Justice Lords timeline being slightly ahead of the Leagues. In Superman Rebirth, Earth 12's Superman appears for a Multiverse story, but he's dressed in his Beyond costume while the main comic Superman is still in his late 30s early 40s.
It's like the Marvel multiverse. Some alternate universes could be considered an alternate timeline but they're a separate universe. The possible dark futures of 616 (i.e. Days of Future Past dark future for instance) is a separate universe. I don't remember it's designation but Old Man Logan came from the future... but that future was an alternate universe separate from 616. Any alternate timeline is usually considered an alternate universe so time travel, at least in Marvel, is kind of like simply hopping universes instead.
In fact, with the concept of DC's hypertime, which is basically the same concept that each timeline is it's own separate reality that can crossover into other timelines, then I'm under the impression that the Lords' universe is nearly the same up until Lex officially becoming President.
Oh! I just thought of something due to thinking about the Lords and alternate timelines/universes and multiverse -- if JLU ever returned for another season (pipe dream even with YJ Season 3), it would be really cool if the team is transported to the Gods and Monsters universe. I know that film was technically not DCAU but boy oh boy is the animation the same style. Would be cool to sort of fold that into the DCAU multiverse imo.
yeah. And we could see how they react to their alternate selves, maybe even seeing more members.
I think lord Batman was suprised that the league still called themselves the league. Also the fact that flash was dead and luthor becoming. President those were major factors in the leagues conversion to the Lord's.also the event of luthor becoming president in the main reality was a subtle way of showing the shows direction going forward. Another I stance the league's decision to banish doomsday to the phantom zone. However confirmed the league will never faulter be ause they faced robot versions of the Lord's but run into version with flash.
I think the thanagarian invasion happened and they kill most of the Heroes included flash so the nations give the power to the super humans something that could have happened in Jlu universe
Luthor killed the Flash.
Or they tried to stop the Lords and they were killed or imprisoned by them.
yes this could happen before but not changed the outcome except make more easy to the thanagarians kill everyone
Still It's never explained where the other heroes on the JLords earth are?
in the episode they make clear the justice lords kills everyone that arent allies and conquer the world, so is cleary they are dead
I did, Mattie. I did.
Parallel universes are always nutty. So much shit is different, yet so much shit is the same. Makes you think there's some prime form of reality and/or an intelligent force trying to nudge them into a certain pattern
I wonder how the Teen Titans in the Justice Lords timeline would be if they formed at all?
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"Because it's Thursday," is now one of my favorite phrases. I know you upload other times too, but there's a certain giddiness I feel when the video starts off with the aforementioned quote.
Also, yes. I would marry you. I needed the two weeks to think about it. But, I require a date to Taco Bell first. No negotiating that. xp
Now That is something worth exploring.
Question hadn't been sleeping and by his own admission was a "known crackpot" so he was definitely wrong. A comic miniseries covering the Lords universe would be great. I imagine the primary difference being that in that universe, Nietzchie was more influential and so Bruce and Clark believe that they are so superior that the law is beneath them rather than something they work with and supplement when a threat is too great.
I sure hope he was wrong about aglets having a sinister purpose.
I'm still interested in the boy bands and crop circle phenomenon theory.
In the Justice Lords universe, the “team” formed early in response to Lex Luthur running for President in 2000
3:00 Not necessarily. Since the Flash died, it's possible there was never a Starcrossed-like event in that universe. It's the oldest time travelling fact, you change the one thing, everything can change from then on. You kill a bug, the human race doesn't get to exist. Since Wally died, there was something different at least before that moment, but that tangent could've started at any point in time
My guess is at some point, when they were deciding the name of the team, someone was goin to purpose "Justice Lords" and someone else "Justice Legue", but only the one that spoke first got their idea approved, even by the other one. And it might have been a split second difference between the two universes, but just enough to trigger a butterfly effect.
Question's like the competent Alex jones of dcau though so he's sometimes right and sometimes not
Lord Superman says he doesn't remember the battle they're watching, and Lord Batman says it isn't them, and it's happening now. The Leaguers were oblivious to this conversation, so they wouldn't have notes on it.
There's also the fact that Superman had already resisted the urge to kill, and understood it well enough to know he had to save Flash.
Finally, at no point did they need to stop Superman. He wasn't planning to kill Luthor, and he never tried to silence Question with anything more than words. Didn't hesitate to save him from Cadmus, either.
This isn't, nor was it ever, the Justice Lords' universe.
One of the best episodes ever
I'd like to see you do a video about why Justice Lord Batman helped the Justice League take down his teammates. I have a few theories I would like to share!
I'll tell you whats wrong them cancelling JLU
SuikodenPlayer Umm they were never cancelled. Actually they admited they were kinda screwed EXACTLY BEACUSE they were renewed for another season.
America Eagle ugh
If they were still on Cartoon Network they'd have no place. They'd have to turn the show into a stoner comedy and make the characters look like bobbleheads. Every cartoon has to be in that exact same mold so they can use the same scripts about sitting on a couch and eating pizza over and over again.
clockstomper Hilarious discription, dude XD
America Eagle but unfortunately accurate 😢
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Happy birthday.
I wonder if the Question didn’t mean a Type-1 time loop, but rather a Type-4?
The Justice Lords weren’t literally the future Justice League, but rather there’s a loop where another universe will enter the current one to kick off a series of events leading to a culmination of an authoritarian Justice League who will in turn affect another universe to begin the cycle again.
The time loop starts whenever The Flash died
Because of how his powers works, he doesn't "Die" but is Erased from the Point in time he died in then those Events are looped over and over due to The powers of the Flash
I've always believed that the justice lords timeline was more like a parallel timeline rather than a loop or a split timeline. Like for example, they have a story similar to the one we know, and there's no specific split in the timeline, it's just a bunch of small differences that lead to a different story.
Well the point of the Cadmus arc was that The Question was already wrong since he never took into account how petty Luthor was and that Superman would never turn against his moral code, unlike Lord Superman.
I love the Justice Lords they just look so freaking awesome
I know this video is a year old, but I always thought that Batman mentioned the fact they’re called Justice League instead of Justice Lords to indirectly say that they never lost their Flash.
It seems they were always called that
i watched the justice league and justice league unlimited on netflix, the first season finale for justice league unlimited explains how the justice league lost the flash and how they became the justice lords. basically its almost a time loop expect in the first season finale of unlimited the league save their flash.
Justice lords were great, I wonder what happened to them after
Mattie Washburn that is nuts, looks like she wanted to rule after all
Actually she got with Lords Batman and they worked towards taking down the other Lords until Lords Wonder Woman killed Lords Batman, and was in turned killed by JL Wonder Woman. Then WW comes back to the main universe in the Beyond time period, if I recall correctly Bruce welcomes her back but Superman and Terry are somewhat suspicious that she’s not telling them everything.
Carlos D Rodriguez is it a twist and it was really lords ww that came back
Which issue?
@@RedVelvetUnderground333 no wonder woman broke her neck and she lost her lasso
I'm sure somebody else said this already, but both Batmen drive around Gotham. They even go to the Batcave. Yet we don't see Alfred, Dick, Barbara or Tim.
It's not a time Loop you're thinking of a fixed point in time that the whole Luther being president in the Justice Lords being created being a fact within the timeline a Both Worlds
Yo Mattie great video! However the roots of Project Cadmus go back much much farther than the DCAU's 90's because of Captain Atom and the Captain Nazi serum (as seen in JLU: Patriot Act).
To answer your question no it wasn't directly stated, however it was heavily implied. My theory is that at some point after World War two the government established secret agencies to deal with supervillains and covert missions (since it's implied the JSA both existed and retired) as well as conduct research on things like the Captain Nazi serum. Among those agencies were Project Cadmus (research)and Task Force X (supervillains). There are three moments in particular that confirm this theory.
Number One: It was implied by Waller in JLU: Task Force X that Flags father was involved in a prior version of the Suicide Squad thus subtly confirming the Suicide Squad's earlier versions.
Number Two: Captain Atoms existence, in the comics he got his powers carried out by a government project known as the Captain Atom Project in the 60s. It is logical to assume that the Captain Atom Project was one of Cadmus's earliest plots. This was also confirmed (kind of) by Eiling after Atom and Superman fought Mantis. I realize that the DCAU and the main comics take place on different earths but it's still viable.
Number Three: when Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid in TAS he was held at a government facility designed to neutralize him, it is very possible that this facility was under the control of Cadmus.
With all of this evidence (and some other stuff I probably missed) Cadmus couldn't have possibly been created after the Justice Lords attacked. Instead it was the fallout from the Justice Lords that resulted in the League discovering Cadmus's existence. By the way this is the single longest comment I have ever made...anyway keep up the good work guys and let me know what you think.
Injustice before it was cool
The multiverse wasn't in Question's information, he was only told about 1 alternate timeline he wasn't ready for the answers.
Star-crossed never happened probably because Hawk girl thought it was a bad Idea the earth was too unified under the lords to be subjugated without significant losses.
I really want to see the Justice Lords in a movie
That's the question
What do you even called a world/society controlled my heroes? Heroism? XD I always rly love Justice Lord episodes it was so cool and as you pointed out, brought out a lot of questions. Btw I love you.....
...... r Shirt! It’s pretty rad. I think Justice Lords changed with Batman. He probably assembled the league earlier to stop Cadmus. Idk just random theory.
I think hawkgirl was indeed a refugee in this universe, and Thanagarians won the war so they didn't need earth.
Happy birthday Mattie I hope I spelled your name right and also what about that other alternate universe with superman and lex taking over the world? Maybe that world sorta happened in the Lords Universe?
Raul Medrano Jr Brave New Metropolis? It's certainly still out there but I don't think it could have happened in the Lords timeline too. It's one or the other.
That said, it does raise an interesting point -- if two alternate universes were otherwise identical but then diverge at a certain point (let's say the divergence happened in either JL or JLU when it comes to the Lords universe), does that mean the Lords Superman, back during STAS era... ALSO visited the Brave New Metropolis universe? And does that mean at least two versions of that scenario exist in the multiverse (one that was for when Leagueverse Superman visited it and the other for Lordverse Superman to visit)? And if Lordverse is actually an alternate timeline and possible future, then that means he was actually the same exact Superman we saw IN STAS who saw that Brave New Metropolis universe but then still turned bad down the road, only as a Lord instead of teaming up with Lex.
I’m still wondering how the Justice Lords got Batman to change this ideology
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And when he saw that Superman executed Luthor his reaction was very out of character, he simply went ahead and said "Well, it had to be done".
When I saw this scene again recently I was shocked and very weirded out by it, it's like Batman has been through a lot of different things in the past making his personality completely different.
Love your videos
Happy birthday
Eyy, I have the same t-shirt!
Is Batman Vengeance and Batman Rise of Sin Tzu canon? If so can you make a video on where they place in the DCAU timeline??
So that's where Got Ham got the idea of making the Penguin mayor Gotham!?
Pretty sure it happened in the silver age comics, as well as the '60s Batman show and Batman Returns :)
Of course the Question was wrong. That's obvious.
It's not a time _loop_ but rather Hypertime
Its also stated in Part one that they were on the edge of a war.
My theory is this is the same Superman from Superman brainiac attacks and I think that is part of this Justice Lords the universe
Calling it inevitable made sense, but I could never headcannon a reason why he was calling it a time loop. There was no evidence to suggest the other universe created itself
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Mattie was way cuter this past summer
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 It *was* so hot, but lost now 😭
You guys should do a video on Batman Adventures Volume Two.
It’s on the list!
So there are comics there
I think the fall elections thing means that at the time we see the Lords, the year is 2005 because the civilian population and the POTUS are complaining about election delays.
I like this, explaining the timelines from other worlds. Just don't do this all the time, you'll end up doing what if's all the time.
"Because it's Thursday."
Maybe the Justice Lords version of the Flash is Barry Allen
When did John Stewart become green lantern
We've actually been looking into this! Perhaps a Vanishing Point episode down the road...
Thanks
I have always wondered in the Justice Lords universe if the Star Crossed invasion ever happened. Is the justice lords hot girls still playing the other five heroes? And if that’s true then the star crossed invasion would’ve been completely different in the justice lords universe. Meaning by the time they showed up Hawkgirl, Along with the rest of the justice Lord’s are currently being held in prison in the main DCAU Worlds prison. I mean Hawk people would show up in all there would be is Batman and then the Thangarians What does show up and say fuck it this planet is ours.
As far as merchandising and story writing.
Yes number 10 i love your vids #becauseitsthursday luthor for pres timelope
Honestly any world that elect lex luthor a known supervillain president deserve the justice lords.
Its most likely just an alternate Earth as I believe Earth 92 is The Animated Series Universe and thanks to Grant Morrisons Multiversity Earth 50 is The Justice Lords
But not the DCAU Justice Lords! Check out our Earth-12 “Will It Canon?” episode!
We need a r rated justice lords animated show
0:05 Mattie got something caught in his eye
PS: Yes I’d marry you Mattie
Who's to say that the other dimension has the same year that we do?
The Justice Lords are canon they exist on Earth-51 in the current multiverse of DC
some things might not have happen on the Justice Lords earth. like HawkGirl betrayal.
The lunatic without a face was wrong? Color me shocked
This might be my ignorance, but why does Batman say “it had to be done” after Superman kills Lex
Batman doesn’t even kill chronos when the whole timeline and many more lives are at stake
Love the vids by the way!
Thanks! I’ve always interpreted that line as Batman trusting Superman’s judgment, even if it was something that horrific. If Superman did that, he must have had a good reason. But also this is a world where the morality of the heroes is a bit skewed.
There is a Flashpoint. It can be confirm when the question is looking at the files he stole. Lex might have kill the flash because of what he did or change
The “Flashpoint” comic event didn’t happen until years after that JLU episode aired, and the next episode is called “Flashpoint.” Who knows what was in that file?
@@dcauwatchtower but if you pause it there a file that says Flashpoint
@@dcauwatchtower also metawar
@@dcauwatchtower also thinking about it lex doesn't go after anyone unless they get in his way
I am aware there is this file. But it very likely wouldn’t have anything to do with the “Flashpoint” comic event because that wouldn’t happen until several years later. “Flashpoint” is just a word as well.
I am more concerned about why the Guardians of the Universe didn't intervene in the Justice Lords' reality when they seized power. Surely, they would not tolerate Green Lantern John Stewart abusing his power ring like that.
There’s an interesting story I’d love to see!
Well if nobody else will answer him, FINE. I'll marry Matty.
this is just proof that time is not fixed.
You make a few early assumptions that you, perhaps, shouldn't have. Batman being 'surprised' (mildly?) at the name of the other group could simply be him reminding the others of their own, _earlier_ , naive time (in other words, that could have been a name they had, until they decided taking over the world was for the best). This means it could have been something other than Lex's rise that triggered the differences, like perhaps The Flash getting killed by a villain that the government was responsible for creating in the first place? For example, what if the Gov't commissioned the creation of Amazo from Cadmus or whatever, as a stop-gap to the supers getting out of control someday, only to ironically cause that very scenario to occur? Amazo murders Barry, the Gov't goes, "whoopsie', and the history are set on their darker path.
nah we see wally's execution play out, it's literally luthor that kills him
I felt Question tend to over read time to time and with his cynicism overlooks the factor it was universe with different tangent with an aggressive sense of control
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So dr ivo= dr gero, and amazo =super android 13 .
Those aren't the right questions the right question is what was the root of these changes. My guess starfire biased on her original story and the teen titans of the time her escape changes a lot of things be it sooer, later or not at all.
The Question is wrong, and that takes place in a parallel universe obviously💁🏻♂.
Ah, solid argument ;)
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If the Lords Universe doesn't have a Flash doesn't that mean the sun shouldn't really exist?
Because of “Eclipsed”? We have no way of knowing if those events happened in the Lords universe.