I didn't really even flinch when Stewart showed up. It's not like a different Superman showed up on the scene; the Green Lanterns are a huge team with several humans, and the human Lanterns are famous for rotating coverage of Earth like taking year long shifts.
Now all we need is for them to randomly have Kilowog substitute for for the human Lanterns on the League when they are all off having a meeting or something.
Kyle has always been my favorite because he is a half hispanic artist from LA, i was a little upset he wasnt chosen for the show. I was even more upset when BT said in the JL dvds that they picked JS to be GL over Kyle because they wanted to show diversity.
I was never a big Kyle Rayner fan. He was ok, but Hal was my all time favorite Green Lantern after i read "Emerald Twilight". I thought both John and Guy were better Green Lanterns. So when they made John the GL in Justice League i was surprised but pleased. Just wish John was that interesting in the comics.
Is it possible Hal Jordan died due to something Green Lantern related? And this was the reason why Carol Ferris became Star Sapphire due to her love for him and hatred for the GL?
John is my true GL. I saw Kyle in the Superman episode growing up, but never cared for him. John, on the other hand, actually represented me and people like me, and then when we actually got to know him, he was a more fascinating character. One could argue he was one of the most important characters of Justice League. On par with Bruce and Clark.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 am I misremembering, or did you already make that point in a previous video and that's why it's on my mind? Batman tends to overshadow others in whatever continuity he is in, but the Bat-Embargo helped stop that. Superman... He had the Darkseid, Brainiac, and Luthor stories, but his grudges never stayed at the forefront. Meanwhile John and Shayera got the focus arc of Starcrossed, and John got a/the major arcs of The Savage Time and The Once and Future Thing. He wasn't at the foreground of the premiere, the expansion, the Cadmus Crisis, or the finale, but those and some other stories were designed to flesh out the world and ensemble anyway.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it was a damn good video. If you're a wrestling fan at all, I'd like you to know that your video and Josiah Williams' video really were great parts to the month of February. Bruce is an interesting character, but I've been fatigued to Batman content for a while. Like with Spider-Man in Marvel.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Sounds like comic books... Yeah, it was good as a kid. I stopped watching from 2000 to 2015, which was about when it got fun again. But I'm likely to stop again soon.
My first introduction to Green Lantern was John Stewart. No matter what continuity I think deep down I still consider him the original Green Lantern despite Hal Jordan's existance.
So I'm trying to get this cute girl from work to like me. I use the word 'schway' and other slang from Batman Beyond in my everyday vocabulary. Now she too started using the word schway. I think i'm in.
I saw Justice League before Superman the Animated Series, so I had the opposite reaction, it was strange to me that Kyle was in Superman and not John. But at the same time before I even watched Justice League I was introduced to the Green Lanterns through Duck Dodgers, and I also grew up with Batman the Brave and the Bold along with the movie Green Lantern First Flight. So the point is, by the time I saw the Superman episode with Kyle Rainier I was already used to the idea of there being multiple Green Lanterns but I still didn't know that character existed before watching Superman.
I was originally upset that Hal wasn't going to be the GL on the League because Hal was the Lantern that I was most familiar with. John turned out to be a great choice.
Kyle also appeared in the JLU episode "The Return" as more than just a background character. Voiced by Will Friedle with an updated costume. He was out in space and him and John were trying to get the guardians to let them swap places so Kyle could go back to Earth for a while.
When John was in the JL I was about 9 at the time, so I didn’t know much about GL besides Hal and Kyle I had seen in JLA. I honestly I was just excited to see a person of colour in a animated show of that size, it was pretty big for me to see him be a superhero at such a young age.
I didn't even know John Stewart existed until Justice League came out. Back in the 2000s' Romania American comic books were a rarity. And now, because of the series, I can say that John was my second favourite leaguer, the first being the other John.
They get a +1 for pointing out that casual racism was a thing in the past that actually happened and wasn't something that should be encouraged and a -1 for using it for a lame joke.
Kyle was/is my favorite comic book Lantern at the time so I would've liked to see him in JL, but I was happy to see John Stewart because I knew literally nothing about him until JL. I thought it was a great chance to shine light on lesser known DC heroes.
The DCAU has a small habit of taking the origins of one character and using the name of another. It doesn't bother me, but I don't really understand it. I believe we've seen that with Tim Drake, Kyle Rayner, and Wally West. Also, side note, this video is bringing back my feelings of sadness that we can't fit Green Lantern TAS into the DCAU. Also also side note, that cat moment.
We Remotely Low Well when the show was made, I’m pretty sure Rayner and West were the official GL and flash because of Jordan’s Parralax thing and Barry Allen dying in Crisis. I don’t think the dcau wanted to counter the ongoing comics but they also didnt have time to show how “legacy characters” work. Like they’d have to show Wally as kid flash and then introduce the idea of Barry and the idea of him dying and Wally taking the mantle. It’s all a little much for an already extensive story. With the robins though, I feel like Jason Todd is almost synonymous w/ death. So they just decided “let’s have Jason Todd but give him another name”. And SPOILER he still undergoes a similar tragedy bc of the joker
@@roshana110 yeah they've literally said they just didn't want to use the name of Jason Todd but they liked his story they didn't want you to know exactly where his story is headed And with Wally and Kyle, I agree with what you said, but also feel like it could've been done in a way that made things a little easier on continuity, didn't create such restricting situations, because they did what they did with Kyle, then decided they still wanted John and eventually Hal and Guy too, so, just, have some forethought lmao With Wally too, it irritated me, but also, his origin being a flashback and not being super in depth gives some wiggle room, it's my personal headcanon that Barry was the Flash first (and/or Jay Garrick) and that Wally just pretended to be the only one, because he was the only one at the time (Jay had retired, and to me either Barry is in the speed force or has retired as well) Wally may have been Kid Flash under Barry, but he never went by the name, there were two Flashes for a bit, then eventually it was back to just one, and this one looked like the original so it must be the same guy! Is actually Wally now having taken up the mantle And I wouldn't be opposed to it being revealed that Hal was a lantern before any of them, he got his ring from the Lantern before Abin Sur, then his whole Parralax thing happened, Abin Sur then gets a ring, who gives it to Kyle, and John gets one from the OA or somethinf
@@Gibbypastrami Given that the producers stated that Wally is the only Flash that universe ever had, but that they also showed a KidFlash costume, as well as Jay's helmet, combined with their habit of giving newer characters the origin of older ones.... My head canon is that when Wally was a kid, his favorite superhero was The Flash, aka Barry Allen. He read the comics, watched the John Wesley Shipp series, etc. When he got his powers, he patterned himself after his boyhood hero. The helmet and kid flash costume were gifts from an unseen adventure where Wally accidentally traveled to a parallel universe where not only did Barry exist, but there was an elder Flash named "Jay", and his own younger self was Barry's jr sidekick. They gave him some extra costume pieces as souvenirs, which he donated to his reality's Flash Museum.
I never had a problem with it just thought it was a plot hole. Also I loved John Stewart as Green Lantern for JL. Glad this video cleared this up for me after so many years.
When me and my siblings first saw John Stewart we were very excited ( he was our first black superhero we saw on tv) and never knew about Kyle until two after the JL series started. But at that point we didn't really care because we have grown to see John Stewart as a someone to emulate( that was until Static got his own show)
As for John's placement in the JL, at 7-years-old I was pretty cool with it. JLvF5 is exciting on MANY levels and Jessica will be an interesting factor in the JL dynamic. I do hope John is still present, though.
As a kid, I was confused on why Kyle isn't part of The Justice League until I watch the episode. Thank you. :) The new lantern in Justice League vs Fatal Five is pretty interest to see but I hope they'll explained on what happen to John Stewart.
John gave us some much needed diversity as well as a nice dynamic to team. looking back its hard to imagine Kyle fitting in and interacting with the roster as well as John did. I could see Kyle being a good friend to the flash, even tho I still think the John and Wally dynamic works better. Having a Green lantern with a Millitary backround was interesting also.
When I was introduced to the DCAU Justice League, all I'd seen beforehand was Batman: The Animated Series, most of The Zeta Project, most of Static Shock, and some of Batman Beyond as I had no cable, and the WB (later CW) didn't have a local broadcast affiliate until The Zeta Project was new. Batman: The Animated Series had aired on the local Fox affiliate, but everything in between was missing... *including* Justice League. I *knew* of it, though and... I cannot remember if it bothered me, if I thought it was a good thing, or if I just didn't care. The (relatively) short version is Hal Jordan is hard to write well, especially with "Saturday morning" constraints *and* seems to attract the toxic element of the general fandom. You know, the ones that either serve as an excuse or an actual motivating factor when DC panics and reverts to the iconic version of a character *after* successfully establishing a "legacy" successor, like how Wally West went from being *the* Flash to maybe he exists, maybe he doesn't, or maybe he does but now he's dead in the present. @_@ Sounds like the DCAU version of Kyle Rayner was just a stand-in for Hal Jordan, and that sounds very unappealing. Whether John Stewart was chosen because they thought they had good stories to tell with him or because of corporate pressures to "diversify" the cast, he was performed and written so well that he went from someone (as a casual with respect to the DC universe) didn't really know existed to competing with the other big names as my favorite Green Lantern. Yes... that was the "short" version. It was originally going to be about twice as long. XD
Nice video. Personally, I had missed "In Brightest Day" during it's initial run on S:TAS, so John Stewart was actually the first Green Lantern I ever saw. Thereby, I was completely oblivious to this continuity "error." Personally, I like the idea of John being the team Green Lantern, while Rayner is the solo Lantern of Earth.
I love it when new or underappreciated characters get the chance to shine. Go Miss M and go Jessica Cruz! Miss M looks like she'll fill the humour section of the film and that's just awesome!
One thing that did kinda bug me about the whole Green Lantern side of the DCAU is John Stewart's lack of overall backstory with GL villains such as Star Saphire and Sinestro (minus their interactions in "Fallen Hero"), due to his serving on the honor guard. Sometimes I just wonder if they'd have had Rayner have some more history with these characters, as he was the DCAU's stand-in for Hal Jordan.
The DCAU John Stewart Green Lantern is MY Green Lantern. When I read a Green Lantern comic or see John Stewart in any piece of fiction, it is Phil LaMarr's baritone voice I hear. As a Marine Corps veteran, I appreciate his existence in the DCAU and DC Comics as a whole. He's one hell of a Marine and Green Lantern. You want to see a job get done, give it to him. He will complete his mission. Just look at "The Savage Time" and "Hearts and Minds" to see what I mean. He's all about the mission.
Justice League was only the second DCAU show I watched regularly after Batman Beyond and was therefore my first major exposure to the broader DC brand. I grew up knowing who the biggest heroes were and being able to recognize them but I'd never directly watched anything other than reruns of the Adam West Batman (the one my dad grew up with) nor ever read the comics at all. So I'd never heard of Green Lantern before John Stewart, let alone heard that there was more than one.
Initially I was annoyed they weren't going to include the established Kyle GL in Justice League but John quickly grew on me. I always assumed he had been the GL of a different sector then returned to our sector once Kyle had to go off into space for training.
Never had a problem with John in the Justice League. The 8 year old me was just happy that they are on screen together. With the lenses of hindsight though, I still don't have a problem with John. I mean sure, in his early appearances in the comics, he might have been an asshole, but he's still a well-fleshed out character. Also, it's preferable to have a black character in the group in an effort to diversify the cast rather than turning a white character black also for the purpose of diversity. Bruce Timm and Dwayne McDuffie knew how to do diversity right. They took an existing black character and gave him the center stage instead of what Hollywood and comic book companies are doing right now like in the case of Fan4stic where they made the Human Torch, a white character, black so that they can say they made an effort at diversity. That's not a genuine effort at diversity at all, it's flat out lazy writing.
My only surprise was that it wasn't Hal Jordan because that's who Green Lantern was in previous iterations of the Justice League in animated media (like Super Friends). I didn't really care one way or another until his story was really fleshed-out. John Stewart became an amazing character. He was dynamic, intelligent, compassionate and extremely honourable. I don't care WHY John Stewart was the GL in JL/JLU, I'm just glad that he was.
I was one of the ones who initially didn't like the change too, because like you pointed out, there was already a Green Lantern that we knew existed in this universe. However, as time went on he became my second favorite character from the team (first being Wally West, which incidentally this show also placed Wally as my favorite of the flashes/speedsters). And his romance with Hawkgirl was something I also really enjoyed...and kinda wished they would incorporate into the comics but whatev lol.
John Stewart was the first Green Lantern I was introduced to. In my mind, he is the definitive Justice League’s Green Lantern. I like him as a part of that team. Not that I dislike Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner, John is just my favorite.
Oh wow I totally remember this. I was kinda pissed cause I wanted Hal Jordan and that never happened. There was Kyle and John. It's crazy that it really is a non-issue now. I actually appreciate the contribution to John's character. I just wish we got a version of the Justice League like we saw them in Young Justice honestly.
I watch Justice League when I was 4 years old, with no comics knowledge. So when I see Jon Stewart as green lantern i didn't feel bothered at all, in fact. Since that was the first time I see something related to Green Lantern, my mind automatically thinks of Jon as the green lantern, when I see a show or comic with other green lantern, my automatic reaction is: "but what about Jon?"
I saw once Hal Jordan replaced John Stewart about a minute or more stating his name to someone in part 2 of the episode "The Once and Future Thing: Time Warped". This showed that Hal Jordan doesn't actually exist in the main timeline of the JLU but from another dimension caused by Chronos.
The Superman cartoon didn’t air much on the cable package I had as a kid (the only episodes I saw consistently were World’s Finest as “The Batman/Superman Movie” on vhs), so I actually never saw the Kyle episode until I got the DVD sets, years later. JL was my first real exposure to Green Lantern in animation, so I had no hang ups about him being “the wrong one”.
Hal and guy were lantern before the justice league was form based on the green lantern animated series, with no mention of abin at all, which allows Kyle to have Hal origin, after Hal goes to the forbidden zone guy is made lantern of earth and Hal becomes an honor guard( which patrols all sectors) after a month or so guy becomes an honor guard and tell Hal that the new lantern of earth sector is John, also it also shows how carral become star sapphire
I LOVED Jessica Cruz in the Justice League vs the Fatal Five movie. She had a great character arc and her relationship with Starboy was so tragic and compelling, like it had the potential to be more before getting cut off.
About John Stuart, Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths, anyway, his origin was that Hal Jordan received a "call to duty" while taking a shower. In his efforts to get to his ring, he literally stepped on his soap then fell and injured himself to the point that his Ring placed him in a healing coma and then scanned the immediate area for the closest candidate, John Stuart. I cannot recall whether Hal Jordan recovered from the fall or not; but, after that point, JS became the GL for Sector 2814. If anyone can recall which issue of Green Lantern this was, I'd appreciate it.
You forget the episode where the jl go back in time to the old west and the jl characters start changing due to the timeline changing, John turned into Hal! When the other heroes looked at him funny he simply replied “I’m up to speed”, so Hal is in the DCAU as a GL
Btw the did talk about kyle. The episode with amazo returning. He is talking to the ppl at the watchtower about wanting to go to earth with john with john even volunteering to go back to oa but the guardians refuse
I was okay with John "replacing" Kyle. On the JL vs F5, I am still thinking of it as out of continuity of the main DCAU (B:AS, S:AS, BB, and JL/U) unless there is proof that says it is.
As I seem to recall it, going back to the comics before Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985), John Stewart first substituted for Hal Jordan while Hal was taking a shower. He reached for his ring and a towel . . . then promptly stepped on a bar of soap. What sentience the Green Lantern Ring has (had), determined that Hal was not dead so it placed into an "induced coma" so his wounds from the fall could heal. Because of the urgency of the mission, the Ring determined that John Stewart was the closest human to meet all the criteria of being a Green Lantern and deputized him. After that I can't recall what happened in regards to Hal or John. At the time of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, the demographic that DC was targeting only knew John Stuart as the Green Lantern for Earth. {For the same reason, that's why the Wally West version of the Flash was used in JLA & JLA Unlimited.}
I read a GL comic once, a LONG time ago that had Hal Jordon and Guy Gardener talking about how Hal got his ring when Abin Sur died, In a flashback it said that Jordan and Gardener were both selected by the ring at the same time as being worthy but it was Sur's decision to choose Jordan as the new GL since he was closer than Gardener, Jordan was in California and Gardener was in New Jersey at the time and so Hal became GL. Gardener asked why John Stewart wasn't chosen as well and Jordan said it was because, although he was worthy, at the time he was still just a child (seven years old at the time I believe) so that's why the ring didn't choose him. So I believe there is an age discrepancy in your theory I can't remember the comic book issue it was in but this is the same that Jordan allowed Guy Gardener to see what would've happened if he, Guy Gardener, was chosen by Abin Sur to become Green Lantern instead of Hal. Spoiler alert, Guy's career mirrors that of Hal but he gets exposed to a lethal amount of radiation not long after being chosen (a couple of years or so) and his dying act is to choose Hal Jordan to become the new GL
@@camm5981 I don't know about that. Batman's deal is that he instills fear in criminals, which is why he was originally chosen as a member of the Sinestro Corps for sector 2014 over the Scarecrow
@@camm5981 Well he did wear a GL ring once and Amazon does sell a Batman Green Lantern action figure but I don't know what were the circumstances of how he got a ring or for how long BTW they also sell a Batman yellow lantern figure too
The DCAU used other alternative hero’s such as Wally West vs Barry Allan, Hawk Girl vs Hawk Man (The Carter Character isn’t the real Hawk Man) also by Justice League the heroes side kick phase had mostly ended. Also remember back in the Late 1990’s and Early 2000’s Camp was a bad thing. Many of the original hero’s would just be Good Chums with each other, adding the diversity of personalities really made sure it wasn’t another Super Friends.
Hal has always been the GL to me in the same way Barry is always the Flash to me, but since the DCAU is it’s own canon I have no problem with them mixing stuff up and well since John was a great character I can’t complain
How did I feel about John being GL in JL? I was 7. It didn't bother me. That's the version of Green Lantern I grew up with so I didn't really know any difference. Just a guy who has a ring that can make cool things appear. How do I feel about the new characters appearing in Justice League vs Fatal Five? Doesn't bother me either. Only important thing I care about is when will it be released on the Microsoft Store and if my local supermarket will have buttered microwave popcorn.
One of the first lines spoken by John Stewart in JL is "Who's the rookie?" (In reference to Wonder Woman), so they do at least pay some lip service to Stewart having experience. Given all of the cosmetic changes made to established characters for JL (Batman's costume, Superman's and Aquaman's appearance) I don't remember being too put off by seeing John instead of Kyle at the time. It felt more like a 'this will get explained in a future episode' point. It is a bit strange they don't address it "In Blackest Night" though it may have been in the original script and cut for time. Last minute changes weren't uncommon during JL's first season -- they made and aired a promo for "Legends" that had the Justice Society/Alan Scott in it, for example.
I was 8 years old when I saw John Stewart as the GL but I've already saw a rerun of the gl episode on Superman TAS and immediately understood that GLs were spacecops and assumed they had rotating shifts for diff sectors.
I remember watching both DCAU JL and Superfriends with Hal Jordan, and thought Superfriends GL looked weird and didn’t really have much to do, so Jon Stewart was always my GL. I never advocate for diversity or any changes from comics just for the sake of it, but the creators of the DCAU somehow almost always made it work for the better. (Although I would still like to have seen the proper Justice Society in there somewhere.)
What looked like Hal was in the original line up of characters for the show shown in concept art. Orange shirt Aquaman was also in the group. I still think all the tech in the past altered the timeline Flashpoint style.
I was never exposed to the Justice League or Green Lantern before John Stewart. So as far as I'm concerned, he's always been the Green Lantern. He's certainly the version I saw the most of and liked the best. He had a different personality from other Leaguers and I think it emphasized the thing about GL lore that I love the most about them: anybody can become one. You are not a GL by birth, by accident or by the resources available to you. You are a GL because you are good and strongwilled. It made sense for the GL corps to be a diverse team, and what better way to show this than with a black superhero?
As the League not mentioning Kyle, we actually see him on Oa with the Guardians and J'onn mentions him switching with Stewart for that intergalactic court case.
i was a teenager when this came out so John Stuart didn't really phase me at all. also Hal Jordan did make a small appearance in JLU during the time travel episode when john was replaced with Hal, its a pretty fun scene
John Stewart was actually my first green lantern besides the original alan scott green lantern, I didn't find out about hal until a little after that as a kid.
I was introduced to the DCAU when I started watching justice league on Saturday mornings and didn’t know there it as a universe. As well as a couple of DVDs with three BTAS episodes each. I never knew Kyle existed at the time.
I didn't read Green Lantern or Justice League as a kid. I thought John Stewart was the original Green Lantern until I got into high school and started reading comics more.
My recollection was that it wasn't John Stewart that was unpopular. It had more to do with what Bruce Timm was saying in interviews and on forums at the time. That the S:TAS episode wasn't cannon. I think back in Season 1 of JL, they were taking a much more loose approach with continuity saying some things may not have happened. I think we all understood Beyond could exist in a nebulous place but it really hurt to return to the main timeline and characters but not have some of their adventures count. Seemed like the lazy way out. I'm really glad McDuffy and others really leaned into continuity later, good writers can always find way to make things line up.
If you had to make a guess, at what point in Hal Jordan made a Lantern to explain his appearance in once and future thing? Seemingly he was chosen instead of John, but it's possible he was the first and stuck around? Was he instead of Kyle Rayner or instead of John? Not that it matters its an altered time-line that last about three seconds, but I always lived that scene
I was a wee lad when I first saw Justice league, and I honestly had never heard of Green Lantern or any of his lore, so when I saw Green Lantern/John Stuart, I thought he was THE Green Lantern. He’s still my favorite GL.
While it's not canon, Green Lantern: The Animated Series had Hal Jordan as Green Lantern. In one episode he goes back to Earth and finds out while he was gone, a man named Guy Gardner was taking care of things. Guy seems to be extremely popular on Earth and also among Lanterns and Guardians(Ganthet, I think sees him and begins to act very casual and "brolike" around Guy). in another episode Guy Gardner shows up I space to help Hal. Hal asks If he's here, who's acting as the Green Lantern of Earth. Guy says he gave the Ring to someone named(struggles to remember name)... John Stewart, he thinks. Hal exclaims loudly "THE COMEDIAN!?" Possible Prequel?....Probably not...but it's fun to think about.
The producers have talked before about wanting to keep his constructs mostly less "goofy" to separate his personality from a more upbeat Lantern like Kyle
You know when I watched the green lantern movie (I like the movie) I started thinking "wasnt there a black green lantern name John Stewart?" and sure enough there were pics of Stewart and I was thinking what's up with that and soon enough I learned that there were more than one earth green lantern which makes sense to me and just so I don't anger anyone yes I like John Stewart. Also when I learn Kyle was in the dcau through superman animated series I quickly thought "well John must've been a green lantern longer" which in JL they said he was a GL for a long time(I only watched season 1 or volume 1 of superman the animated series)
It was a bit jarring for me as a kid because I remember that episode of Superman was my first exposure to GL. It stopped bothering me about halfway into the first episode (because it was my favorite thing ever when I was seven). Having said that I did always wonder what happened to Kyle Renner. The same way I'm currently wondering/worried about John Stewart. Like... DID JOHN DIE WHERE IS HE!?
What about when MM and the Guardians are talking and MM says it would be nice to have Kyle on earth too? Also Earth prolly has more lanterns since theres way more life ending events happening there than anywhere else
Yeah the biggest bullet in the foot for the series for me was giving Kyle Hal's background, if you're gonna do that, at least give Hal Kyle's back story but they didn't do that either! Different for difference sake and it throws a wrench in everything!
personally, I would like to see Kyle trainer get some attention in the cartoons. both Johns and hall have gotten their own series and guy was heavelly featured in batman the brave and the bold., but kyle is only ever a one of or a second thought.
ACTUALLY Hal Jordan was in the Justice League Unlimited show when they had time shift episode and John shifted in to Hal Jordan who announced himself as Hal by name
Its kinda similar to The Green Lantern The Animated Series, When Hal was upgraded to Honor Guard and patrolling / hunting Red Lanterns in Deep Space....Guy Gardener become the GL of 2814. When Guy And Hal joined to fight the Anti Monitor, John Steward became the new GL of 2814.........................................................And they made "The News guy?" joke
Exactly-that was a shift in the timestream, due to Chronos’ meddling. John swapped places with Hal because NOW, in the timeline, Hal became Green Lantern instead of John. Hal never became a GL, it seems, in the normal DCAU timeline.
same here at the point that the show was on i didn't really read comics. but i did watch the superhero shows. so i didn't really bothered me or anything. cause john Stewart was the first green lantern i saw.
Having more green lanterns per sector made more since to me when i was younger. so it didn't bother me when more lanterns popped up. having only one per sector seemed stupid to me when i first heard about it, was like having one cop per city. Have you ever tried playing Sim City and having only one cop car enforce the law? HAHAHHAA.
It would've been nice if they showed John Stewart's origin. I'm thinking that he was handpicked by one of the Guardians to be a GL for his exceptional abilities.
I didn't really even flinch when Stewart showed up. It's not like a different Superman showed up on the scene; the Green Lanterns are a huge team with several humans, and the human Lanterns are famous for rotating coverage of Earth like taking year long shifts.
Now all we need is for them to randomly have Kilowog substitute for for the human Lanterns on the League when they are all off having a meeting or something.
Don't they have like 9? One for each planet in the galaxy
@@shanerulez79 solar system*
I still don’t get how in the movies Batman and Hal already know each other. Same way Batman already knew Hawk Girl in the cartoon
@@shanerulez79 What happened when Pluto got demoted?
Jon Stewart became my favorite Green Lantern because of the DCAU!
Me too!
Jeremiah Vink me too
I like hal partnered with batman
Kyle has always been my favorite because he is a half hispanic artist from LA, i was a little upset he wasnt chosen for the show. I was even more upset when BT said in the JL dvds that they picked JS to be GL over Kyle because they wanted to show diversity.
I was never a big Kyle Rayner fan. He was ok, but Hal was my all time favorite Green Lantern after i read "Emerald Twilight". I thought both John and Guy were better Green Lanterns. So when they made John the GL in Justice League i was surprised but pleased. Just wish John was that interesting in the comics.
Same
Is it possible Hal Jordan died due to something Green Lantern related?
And this was the reason why Carol Ferris became Star Sapphire due to her love for him and hatred for the GL?
Good point...
Perhaps the whole Parallax thing already happened offscreen before the start of the series?
@@KertaDrake I think that emerald twilight happened and Hals ring went to abin sur.
John is my true GL. I saw Kyle in the Superman episode growing up, but never cared for him. John, on the other hand, actually represented me and people like me, and then when we actually got to know him, he was a more fascinating character.
One could argue he was one of the most important characters of Justice League. On par with Bruce and Clark.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 am I misremembering, or did you already make that point in a previous video and that's why it's on my mind?
Batman tends to overshadow others in whatever continuity he is in, but the Bat-Embargo helped stop that. Superman... He had the Darkseid, Brainiac, and Luthor stories, but his grudges never stayed at the forefront. Meanwhile John and Shayera got the focus arc of Starcrossed, and John got a/the major arcs of The Savage Time and The Once and Future Thing.
He wasn't at the foreground of the premiere, the expansion, the Cadmus Crisis, or the finale, but those and some other stories were designed to flesh out the world and ensemble anyway.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it was a damn good video. If you're a wrestling fan at all, I'd like you to know that your video and Josiah Williams' video really were great parts to the month of February.
Bruce is an interesting character, but I've been fatigued to Batman content for a while. Like with Spider-Man in Marvel.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Sounds like comic books...
Yeah, it was good as a kid. I stopped watching from 2000 to 2015, which was about when it got fun again. But I'm likely to stop again soon.
My first introduction to Green Lantern was John Stewart. No matter what continuity I think deep down I still consider him the original Green Lantern despite Hal Jordan's existance.
Funny enough John was technically the fourth green lantern.
Alan was the 1st. Hal was the 2nd. Guy was the 3rd and John was the 4th.
So I'm trying to get this cute girl from work to like me. I use the word 'schway' and other slang from Batman Beyond in my everyday vocabulary. Now she too started using the word schway.
I think i'm in.
Just don't hit the cervix, that's way too deep.
Remember to keep "Epilogue" a secret.
Anyone who did that would be a total dreg.
Ha! 'schway' actually became a thing at my school a couple of years after that episode aired
What the shock?
Oh, sorry. Wrong franchise.
I saw Justice League before Superman the Animated Series, so I had the opposite reaction, it was strange to me that Kyle was in Superman and not John. But at the same time before I even watched Justice League I was introduced to the Green Lanterns through Duck Dodgers, and I also grew up with Batman the Brave and the Bold along with the movie Green Lantern First Flight. So the point is, by the time I saw the Superman episode with Kyle Rainier I was already used to the idea of there being multiple Green Lanterns but I still didn't know that character existed before watching Superman.
I was originally upset that Hal wasn't going to be the GL on the League because Hal was the Lantern that I was most familiar with. John turned out to be a great choice.
That honer guard bit of Jon's backstory makes a lot of sense considering his first solo episode
Kyle also appeared in the JLU episode "The Return" as more than just a background character. Voiced by Will Friedle with an updated costume. He was out in space and him and John were trying to get the guardians to let them swap places so Kyle could go back to Earth for a while.
When John was in the JL I was about 9 at the time, so I didn’t know much about GL besides Hal and Kyle I had seen in JLA.
I honestly I was just excited to see a person of colour in a animated show of that size, it was pretty big for me to see him be a superhero at such a young age.
I would always be Green Latern when we played pretend as kids :)
Im just about to watch the Green Lantern episode from STAS so great timing.
God is funny!
I didn't even know John Stewart existed until Justice League came out. Back in the 2000s' Romania American comic books were a rarity. And now, because of the series, I can say that John was my second favourite leaguer, the first being the other John.
"You're a credit to your race!"
"ugh, thanks..."
They get a +1 for pointing out that casual racism was a thing in the past that actually happened and wasn't something that should be encouraged and a -1 for using it for a lame joke.
Kyle was/is my favorite comic book Lantern at the time so I would've liked to see him in JL, but I was happy to see John Stewart because I knew literally nothing about him until JL. I thought it was a great chance to shine light on lesser known DC heroes.
The DCAU has a small habit of taking the origins of one character and using the name of another. It doesn't bother me, but I don't really understand it. I believe we've seen that with Tim Drake, Kyle Rayner, and Wally West.
Also, side note, this video is bringing back my feelings of sadness that we can't fit Green Lantern TAS into the DCAU.
Also also side note, that cat moment.
We Remotely Low
Well when the show was made, I’m pretty sure Rayner and West were the official GL and flash because of Jordan’s Parralax thing and Barry Allen dying in Crisis. I don’t think the dcau wanted to counter the ongoing comics but they also didnt have time to show how “legacy characters” work. Like they’d have to show Wally as kid flash and then introduce the idea of Barry and the idea of him dying and Wally taking the mantle. It’s all a little much for an already extensive story.
With the robins though, I feel like Jason Todd is almost synonymous w/ death. So they just decided “let’s have Jason Todd but give him another name”. And SPOILER he still undergoes a similar tragedy bc of the joker
@@roshana110 yeah they've literally said they just didn't want to use the name of Jason Todd but they liked his story they didn't want you to know exactly where his story is headed
And with Wally and Kyle, I agree with what you said, but also feel like it could've been done in a way that made things a little easier on continuity, didn't create such restricting situations, because they did what they did with Kyle, then decided they still wanted John and eventually Hal and Guy too, so, just, have some forethought lmao
With Wally too, it irritated me, but also, his origin being a flashback and not being super in depth gives some wiggle room, it's my personal headcanon that Barry was the Flash first (and/or Jay Garrick) and that Wally just pretended to be the only one, because he was the only one at the time (Jay had retired, and to me either Barry is in the speed force or has retired as well)
Wally may have been Kid Flash under Barry, but he never went by the name, there were two Flashes for a bit, then eventually it was back to just one, and this one looked like the original so it must be the same guy! Is actually Wally now having taken up the mantle
And I wouldn't be opposed to it being revealed that Hal was a lantern before any of them, he got his ring from the Lantern before Abin Sur, then his whole Parralax thing happened, Abin Sur then gets a ring, who gives it to Kyle, and John gets one from the OA or somethinf
@@Gibbypastrami Given that the producers stated that Wally is the only Flash that universe ever had, but that they also showed a KidFlash costume, as well as Jay's helmet, combined with their habit of giving newer characters the origin of older ones....
My head canon is that when Wally was a kid, his favorite superhero was The Flash, aka Barry Allen. He read the comics, watched the John Wesley Shipp series, etc. When he got his powers, he patterned himself after his boyhood hero.
The helmet and kid flash costume were gifts from an unseen adventure where Wally accidentally traveled to a parallel universe where not only did Barry exist, but there was an elder Flash named "Jay", and his own younger self was Barry's jr sidekick. They gave him some extra costume pieces as souvenirs, which he donated to his reality's Flash Museum.
Am still sad that GL: TAS still hasn't got that proper ending, Justice League: Action and Young Justice moments aside.
I paused watching the newest Endgame trailer for this.
Worth it. 👌
I never had a problem with it just thought it was a plot hole. Also I loved John Stewart as Green Lantern for JL. Glad this video cleared this up for me after so many years.
It was just weird to me, seeing a a new story in the DCAU without the Johns. I actualy grew up admiring all of the original 6 of the show.
I always just assumed since the Green Lanterns have an entire assembly, the show just went with John. He became my favourite.
When me and my siblings first saw John Stewart we were very excited ( he was our first black superhero we saw on tv) and never knew about Kyle until two after the JL series started. But at that point we didn't really care because we have grown to see John Stewart as a someone to emulate( that was until Static got his own show)
"Static Shock" came out a year before "Justice League."
As for John's placement in the JL, at 7-years-old I was pretty cool with it. JLvF5 is exciting on MANY levels and Jessica will be an interesting factor in the JL dynamic. I do hope John is still present, though.
As a kid, I was confused on why Kyle isn't part of The Justice League until I watch the episode. Thank you. :) The new lantern in Justice League vs Fatal Five is pretty interest to see but I hope they'll explained on what happen to John Stewart.
I like to think in the dcau it was john, Hal, Kyle, then Jessica
John gave us some much needed diversity as well as a nice dynamic to team. looking back its hard to imagine Kyle fitting in and interacting with the roster as well as John did. I could see Kyle being a good friend to the flash, even tho I still think the John and Wally dynamic works better. Having a Green lantern with a Millitary backround was interesting also.
When I was introduced to the DCAU Justice League, all I'd seen beforehand was Batman: The Animated Series, most of The Zeta Project, most of Static Shock, and some of Batman Beyond as I had no cable, and the WB (later CW) didn't have a local broadcast affiliate until The Zeta Project was new. Batman: The Animated Series had aired on the local Fox affiliate, but everything in between was missing... *including* Justice League.
I *knew* of it, though and... I cannot remember if it bothered me, if I thought it was a good thing, or if I just didn't care. The (relatively) short version is Hal Jordan is hard to write well, especially with "Saturday morning" constraints *and* seems to attract the toxic element of the general fandom. You know, the ones that either serve as an excuse or an actual motivating factor when DC panics and reverts to the iconic version of a character *after* successfully establishing a "legacy" successor, like how Wally West went from being *the* Flash to maybe he exists, maybe he doesn't, or maybe he does but now he's dead in the present. @_@
Sounds like the DCAU version of Kyle Rayner was just a stand-in for Hal Jordan, and that sounds very unappealing. Whether John Stewart was chosen because they thought they had good stories to tell with him or because of corporate pressures to "diversify" the cast, he was performed and written so well that he went from someone (as a casual with respect to the DC universe) didn't really know existed to competing with the other big names as my favorite Green Lantern.
Yes... that was the "short" version. It was originally going to be about twice as long. XD
I grew up with John, he’s my favorite green lantern
Nice video. Personally, I had missed "In Brightest Day" during it's initial run on S:TAS, so John Stewart was actually the first Green Lantern I ever saw. Thereby, I was completely oblivious to this continuity "error." Personally, I like the idea of John being the team Green Lantern, while Rayner is the solo Lantern of Earth.
Did you guys see Batman vs TMNT trailer? Hyped for JL vs F5 along with this film now
For those who haven't here is a link to it. wishes2.com/lPBL
I love it when new or underappreciated characters get the chance to shine. Go Miss M and go Jessica Cruz! Miss M looks like she'll fill the humour section of the film and that's just awesome!
One thing that did kinda bug me about the whole Green Lantern side of the DCAU is John Stewart's lack of overall backstory with GL villains such as Star Saphire and Sinestro (minus their interactions in "Fallen Hero"), due to his serving on the honor guard. Sometimes I just wonder if they'd have had Rayner have some more history with these characters, as he was the DCAU's stand-in for Hal Jordan.
The DCAU John Stewart Green Lantern is MY Green Lantern. When I read a Green Lantern comic or see John Stewart in any piece of fiction, it is Phil LaMarr's baritone voice I hear. As a Marine Corps veteran, I appreciate his existence in the DCAU and DC Comics as a whole. He's one hell of a Marine and Green Lantern. You want to see a job get done, give it to him. He will complete his mission. Just look at "The Savage Time" and "Hearts and Minds" to see what I mean. He's all about the mission.
I was in the "I love the idea of Stewart" camp. Then again, I was never thrilled about Kyle in the first place.
Actually it was 2 lanterns to a space sector, playing more into the whole “space cops” dynamic each lantern had a partner
Justice League was only the second DCAU show I watched regularly after Batman Beyond and was therefore my first major exposure to the broader DC brand. I grew up knowing who the biggest heroes were and being able to recognize them but I'd never directly watched anything other than reruns of the Adam West Batman (the one my dad grew up with) nor ever read the comics at all. So I'd never heard of Green Lantern before John Stewart, let alone heard that there was more than one.
Initially I was annoyed they weren't going to include the established Kyle GL in Justice League but John quickly grew on me. I always assumed he had been the GL of a different sector then returned to our sector once Kyle had to go off into space for training.
Never had a problem with John in the Justice League. The 8 year old me was just happy that they are on screen together.
With the lenses of hindsight though, I still don't have a problem with John. I mean sure, in his early appearances in the comics, he might have been an asshole, but he's still a well-fleshed out character. Also, it's preferable to have a black character in the group in an effort to diversify the cast rather than turning a white character black also for the purpose of diversity. Bruce Timm and Dwayne McDuffie knew how to do diversity right. They took an existing black character and gave him the center stage instead of what Hollywood and comic book companies are doing right now like in the case of Fan4stic where they made the Human Torch, a white character, black so that they can say they made an effort at diversity. That's not a genuine effort at diversity at all, it's flat out lazy writing.
John Stewart is my favorite GREEN LANTERN BY FAR he is in my opinion and OG League Member
My only surprise was that it wasn't Hal Jordan because that's who Green Lantern was in previous iterations of the Justice League in animated media (like Super Friends). I didn't really care one way or another until his story was really fleshed-out. John Stewart became an amazing character. He was dynamic, intelligent, compassionate and extremely honourable.
I don't care WHY John Stewart was the GL in JL/JLU, I'm just glad that he was.
I was one of the ones who initially didn't like the change too, because like you pointed out, there was already a Green Lantern that we knew existed in this universe. However, as time went on he became my second favorite character from the team (first being Wally West, which incidentally this show also placed Wally as my favorite of the flashes/speedsters). And his romance with Hawkgirl was something I also really enjoyed...and kinda wished they would incorporate into the comics but whatev lol.
I'm super excited to see what they do with this next movie, but I would also love to see John in this new movie too, just to see what he's been up to!
John Stewart was the first Green Lantern I was introduced to. In my mind, he is the definitive Justice League’s Green Lantern. I like him as a part of that team. Not that I dislike Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner, John is just my favorite.
Oh wow I totally remember this. I was kinda pissed cause I wanted Hal Jordan and that never happened. There was Kyle and John. It's crazy that it really is a non-issue now. I actually appreciate the contribution to John's character. I just wish we got a version of the Justice League like we saw them in Young Justice honestly.
You know why we didn't REALLY see Kyle Rayner until "Hereafter"?
He was busy DRAWIN" SOAP
I watch Justice League when I was 4 years old, with no comics knowledge. So when I see Jon Stewart as green lantern i didn't feel bothered at all, in fact. Since that was the first time I see something related to Green Lantern, my mind automatically thinks of Jon as the green lantern, when I see a show or comic with other green lantern, my automatic reaction is: "but what about Jon?"
I saw once Hal Jordan replaced John Stewart about a minute or more stating his name to someone in part 2 of the episode "The Once and Future Thing: Time Warped".
This showed that Hal Jordan doesn't actually exist in the main timeline of the JLU but from another dimension caused by Chronos.
The Superman cartoon didn’t air much on the cable package I had as a kid (the only episodes I saw consistently were World’s Finest as “The Batman/Superman Movie” on vhs), so I actually never saw the Kyle episode until I got the DVD sets, years later. JL was my first real exposure to Green Lantern in animation, so I had no hang ups about him being “the wrong one”.
Hal and guy were lantern before the justice league was form based on the green lantern animated series, with no mention of abin at all, which allows Kyle to have Hal origin, after Hal goes to the forbidden zone guy is made lantern of earth and Hal becomes an honor guard( which patrols all sectors) after a month or so guy becomes an honor guard and tell Hal that the new lantern of earth sector is John, also it also shows how carral become star sapphire
I LOVED Jessica Cruz in the Justice League vs the Fatal Five movie. She had a great character arc and her relationship with Starboy was so tragic and compelling, like it had the potential to be more before getting cut off.
About John Stuart, Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths, anyway, his origin was that Hal Jordan received a "call to duty" while taking a shower. In his efforts to get to his ring, he literally stepped on his soap then fell and injured himself to the point that his Ring placed him in a healing coma and then scanned the immediate area for the closest candidate, John Stuart. I cannot recall whether Hal Jordan recovered from the fall or not; but, after that point, JS became the GL for Sector 2814. If anyone can recall which issue of Green Lantern this was, I'd appreciate it.
I'm also a stickler for continuity too, but I love everything about JL and JLU so much that I go around saying "John and Shayera forever."
You forget the episode where the jl go back in time to the old west and the jl characters start changing due to the timeline changing, John turned into Hal! When the other heroes looked at him funny he simply replied “I’m up to speed”, so Hal is in the DCAU as a GL
Btw the did talk about kyle. The episode with amazo returning. He is talking to the ppl at the watchtower about wanting to go to earth with john with john even volunteering to go back to oa but the guardians refuse
Yep! That was after JL though, in the JLU cartoon.
I was okay with John "replacing" Kyle. On the JL vs F5, I am still thinking of it as out of continuity of the main DCAU (B:AS, S:AS, BB, and JL/U) unless there is proof that says it is.
I was like "hell yeah black super hero!"
As I seem to recall it, going back to the comics before Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985), John Stewart first substituted for Hal Jordan while Hal was taking a shower. He reached for his ring and a towel . . . then promptly stepped on a bar of soap. What sentience the Green Lantern Ring has (had), determined that Hal was not dead so it placed into an "induced coma" so his wounds from the fall could heal. Because of the urgency of the mission, the Ring determined that John Stewart was the closest human to meet all the criteria of being a Green Lantern and deputized him. After that I can't recall what happened in regards to Hal or John. At the time of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, the demographic that DC was targeting only knew John Stuart as the Green Lantern for Earth. {For the same reason, that's why the Wally West version of the Flash was used in JLA & JLA Unlimited.}
Kyle was definitely around/popular at the time, that’s why they made him GL in the “Superman” cartoon. John was mostly a diversity move.
I read a GL comic once, a LONG time ago that had Hal Jordon and Guy Gardener talking about how Hal got his ring when Abin Sur died, In a flashback it said that Jordan and Gardener were both selected by the ring at the same time as being worthy but it was Sur's decision to choose Jordan as the new GL since he was closer than Gardener, Jordan was in California and Gardener was in New Jersey at the time and so Hal became GL. Gardener asked why John Stewart wasn't chosen as well and Jordan said it was because, although he was worthy, at the time he was still just a child (seven years old at the time I believe) so that's why the ring didn't choose him. So I believe there is an age discrepancy in your theory
I can't remember the comic book issue it was in but this is the same that Jordan allowed Guy Gardener to see what would've happened if he, Guy Gardener, was chosen by Abin Sur to become Green Lantern instead of Hal.
Spoiler alert, Guy's career mirrors that of Hal but he gets exposed to a lethal amount of radiation not long after being chosen (a couple of years or so) and his dying act is to choose Hal Jordan to become the new GL
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that Bruce Wayne was also considered
@@camm5981 I don't know about that. Batman's deal is that he instills fear in criminals, which is why he was originally chosen as a member of the Sinestro Corps for sector 2014 over the Scarecrow
dragonweyr44 I guess I’m just thinking about that elseworlds story but yeah, he fits better as a yellow lantern
@@camm5981 Well he did wear a GL ring once and Amazon does sell a Batman Green Lantern action figure but I don't know what were the circumstances of how he got a ring or for how long
BTW they also sell a Batman yellow lantern figure too
The DCAU used other alternative hero’s such as Wally West vs Barry Allan, Hawk Girl vs Hawk Man (The Carter Character isn’t the real Hawk Man) also by Justice League the heroes side kick phase had mostly ended. Also remember back in the Late 1990’s and Early 2000’s Camp was a bad thing. Many of the original hero’s would just be Good Chums with each other, adding the diversity of personalities really made sure it wasn’t another Super Friends.
Hal has always been the GL to me in the same way Barry is always the Flash to me, but since the DCAU is it’s own canon I have no problem with them mixing stuff up and well since John was a great character I can’t complain
How did I feel about John being GL in JL?
I was 7. It didn't bother me.
That's the version of Green Lantern I grew up with so I didn't really know any difference. Just a guy who has a ring that can make cool things appear.
How do I feel about the new characters appearing in Justice League vs Fatal Five?
Doesn't bother me either. Only important thing I care about is when will it be released on the Microsoft Store and if my local supermarket will have buttered microwave popcorn.
One of the first lines spoken by John Stewart in JL is "Who's the rookie?" (In reference to Wonder Woman), so they do at least pay some lip service to Stewart having experience. Given all of the cosmetic changes made to established characters for JL (Batman's costume, Superman's and Aquaman's appearance) I don't remember being too put off by seeing John instead of Kyle at the time. It felt more like a 'this will get explained in a future episode' point. It is a bit strange they don't address it "In Blackest Night" though it may have been in the original script and cut for time. Last minute changes weren't uncommon during JL's first season -- they made and aired a promo for "Legends" that had the Justice Society/Alan Scott in it, for example.
As a kid I watched the JL cartoon but not Superman tas until much later. John was my first Green Lantern and I thought he was awesome
I was 8 years old when I saw John Stewart as the GL but I've already saw a rerun of the gl episode on Superman TAS and immediately understood that GLs were spacecops and assumed they had rotating shifts for diff sectors.
Kyle Rayner WAS in Justice League. He was in the Justice League Unlimited episode "The Return" where he was shown to be on oa
Yep! That’s after all the stuff we were talking about, though.
I remember watching both DCAU JL and Superfriends with Hal Jordan, and thought Superfriends GL looked weird and didn’t really have much to do, so Jon Stewart was always my GL. I never advocate for diversity or any changes from comics just for the sake of it, but the creators of the DCAU somehow almost always made it work for the better. (Although I would still like to have seen the proper Justice Society in there somewhere.)
What looked like Hal was in the original line up of characters for the show shown in concept art. Orange shirt Aquaman was also in the group. I still think all the tech in the past altered the timeline Flashpoint style.
I was never exposed to the Justice League or Green Lantern before John Stewart. So as far as I'm concerned, he's always been the Green Lantern. He's certainly the version I saw the most of and liked the best. He had a different personality from other Leaguers and I think it emphasized the thing about GL lore that I love the most about them: anybody can become one. You are not a GL by birth, by accident or by the resources available to you. You are a GL because you are good and strongwilled. It made sense for the GL corps to be a diverse team, and what better way to show this than with a black superhero?
This was the lantern I grew up with and it was nice. Especially, when static basically had him as his super hero uncle.
I never had a problem with John being the Green Lantern for the justice league animated shows. He is my favorite green lantern.
As the League not mentioning Kyle, we actually see him on Oa with the Guardians and J'onn mentions him switching with Stewart for that intergalactic court case.
That was in “Justice League Unlimited,” not “Justice League,” and was later on.
@@dcauwatchtower thanks for the clear up. For whatever reason I thought it was in the earlier series.
I got 2 of the episodes mixed up. I thought all of this happened in the episode "In Blackest Night" which was in the older series. My mistake
Kyle rainer was also shown with the others lanterns trying to stop amazo
i was a teenager when this came out so John Stuart didn't really phase me at all.
also Hal Jordan did make a small appearance in JLU during the time travel episode when john was replaced with Hal, its a pretty fun scene
John Stewart was actually my first green lantern besides the original alan scott green lantern, I didn't find out about hal until a little after that as a kid.
I was introduced to the DCAU when I started watching justice league on Saturday mornings and didn’t know there it as a universe.
As well as a couple of DVDs with three BTAS episodes each. I never knew Kyle existed at the time.
As a kid Jon Stewart Green Lantern was always my favorite part of the JL show.
I didn't read Green Lantern or Justice League as a kid. I thought John Stewart was the original Green Lantern until I got into high school and started reading comics more.
My recollection was that it wasn't John Stewart that was unpopular. It had more to do with what Bruce Timm was saying in interviews and on forums at the time. That the S:TAS episode wasn't cannon. I think back in Season 1 of JL, they were taking a much more loose approach with continuity saying some things may not have happened. I think we all understood Beyond could exist in a nebulous place but it really hurt to return to the main timeline and characters but not have some of their adventures count. Seemed like the lazy way out. I'm really glad McDuffy and others really leaned into continuity later, good writers can always find way to make things line up.
I never watched Superman TAS so I never even knew until years later.
If you had to make a guess, at what point in Hal Jordan made a Lantern to explain his appearance in once and future thing? Seemingly he was chosen instead of John, but it's possible he was the first and stuck around? Was he instead of Kyle Rayner or instead of John? Not that it matters its an altered time-line that last about three seconds, but I always lived that scene
I was a wee lad when I first saw Justice league, and I honestly had never heard of Green Lantern or any of his lore, so when I saw Green Lantern/John Stuart, I thought he was THE Green Lantern. He’s still my favorite GL.
While it's not canon, Green Lantern: The Animated Series had Hal Jordan as Green Lantern. In one episode he goes back to Earth and finds out while he was gone, a man named Guy Gardner was taking care of things. Guy seems to be extremely popular on Earth and also among Lanterns and Guardians(Ganthet, I think sees him and begins to act very casual and "brolike" around Guy). in another episode Guy Gardner shows up I space to help Hal. Hal asks If he's here, who's acting as the Green Lantern of Earth. Guy says he gave the Ring to someone named(struggles to remember name)... John Stewart, he thinks. Hal exclaims loudly "THE COMEDIAN!?"
Possible Prequel?....Probably not...but it's fun to think about.
I'm more concerned with how John Stewart forgot that he could make constructs beyond simple beams and spheres until partway through JL Unlimited.
The producers have talked before about wanting to keep his constructs mostly less "goofy" to separate his personality from a more upbeat Lantern like Kyle
You know when I watched the green lantern movie (I like the movie) I started thinking "wasnt there a black green lantern name John Stewart?" and sure enough there were pics of Stewart and I was thinking what's up with that and soon enough I learned that there were more than one earth green lantern which makes sense to me and just so I don't anger anyone yes I like John Stewart. Also when I learn Kyle was in the dcau through superman animated series I quickly thought "well John must've been a green lantern longer" which in JL they said he was a GL for a long time(I only watched season 1 or volume 1 of superman the animated series)
It was a bit jarring for me as a kid because I remember that episode of Superman was my first exposure to GL.
It stopped bothering me about halfway into the first episode (because it was my favorite thing ever when I was seven).
Having said that I did always wonder what happened to Kyle Renner. The same way I'm currently wondering/worried about John Stewart.
Like... DID JOHN DIE WHERE IS HE!?
What about when MM and the Guardians are talking and MM says it would be nice to have Kyle on earth too? Also Earth prolly has more lanterns since theres way more life ending events happening there than anywhere else
Yeah the biggest bullet in the foot for the series for me was giving Kyle Hal's background, if you're gonna do that, at least give Hal Kyle's back story but they didn't do that either! Different for difference sake and it throws a wrench in everything!
Tbh I just wish that Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were the Green Lantern and Flash from the getgo
personally, I would like to see Kyle trainer get some attention in the cartoons. both Johns and hall have gotten their own series and guy was heavelly featured in batman the brave and the bold., but kyle is only ever a one of or a second thought.
My ranking green lanterns of earth :
John stewart
Guy gardner
Kyle raynner
Jessica Cruz
Daugther of Alan scott.
ACTUALLY Hal Jordan was in the Justice League Unlimited show when they had time shift episode and John shifted in to Hal Jordan who announced himself as Hal by name
That is like saying Terry was erased
Its kinda similar to The Green Lantern The Animated Series, When Hal was upgraded to Honor Guard and patrolling / hunting Red Lanterns in Deep Space....Guy Gardener become the GL of 2814.
When Guy And Hal joined to fight the Anti Monitor, John Steward became the new GL of 2814.........................................................And they made "The News guy?" joke
Where does Hal Jordan fit into all of this? Remember how John Stewart turned into Hal Jordan green lantern during a time change.
Exactly-that was a shift in the timestream, due to Chronos’ meddling. John swapped places with Hal because NOW, in the timeline, Hal became Green Lantern instead of John. Hal never became a GL, it seems, in the normal DCAU timeline.
As a kid I had no idea, I thought John was THE green lantern, with no others
same here at the point that the show was on i didn't really read comics. but i did watch the superhero shows. so i didn't really bothered me or anything. cause john Stewart was the first green lantern i saw.
@@judgemagister and he's still my favourite, too
I missed Hal, but I soon grew to love him
John Stewart was my first and Favorite Green Lantern. Also Hal Jordan shows up in JLU
As part of a different timeline, for like 2 minutes, yes
Having more green lanterns per sector made more since to me when i was younger. so it didn't bother me when more lanterns popped up. having only one per sector seemed stupid to me when i first heard about it, was like having one cop per city. Have you ever tried playing Sim City and having only one cop car enforce the law? HAHAHHAA.
Grand Theft Spaceship reigns throughout the galaxy! Just better hope you don't get to five stars because the Green Lanterns will send in Mogo!
I think that Kyle and Wally west’s the flash personality and attitudes could be to similar where as John Stewart’s GL was a good contrast to the Flash
Huge DCAU,grew with those cartoons just found your channel, subbed 👍
It would've been nice if they showed John Stewart's origin. I'm thinking that he was handpicked by one of the Guardians to be a GL for his exceptional abilities.