My god Tomer, just play stasis. In game 2, there were so many great opportunities to screw over your opponents, like Seth almost dying to pact or when Andrew and Crim were going at it and tapping almost all their lands and creatures. You need to grind the game to a halt in order for your deck to catch up and work. (Don't mean to be too rude. Just a bit vexed here)
I think I should explain my thought process here. Until you get the combo up and running, you have two options. One is to do nothing, and the other is to play stax that will let you set up. If you want to be involved in the game, you will have to drag everyone down with you until you luck into the cards that enable you to clamber over them out of your trap. Being patient when there are people trying to screw you over or aggro you out faster than you can build your four-piece-combo just does not work. So again, play iut the stax pieces and allow yourself the time to set things up properly later
@@davispo7550 Agree to an extent, but playing Stasis is just a really bad multiplayer politics move, especially since Tomer didn't seem to have any autowin combos to dig into.
@@VolvoxSocks Stasis with Sulfuric Vortex would have likely won the game. Andrew would have been at 12 life and would need to draw six untapped lands in a row to win through stasis.
@@VolvoxSocks I have to disagree. He could have played Stasis and Eater of Days both, early on and with the totem gotten 3 turns out of Stasis, while mitigating the "downside" to Eater of Days and in the end had a 9/8 Flier that good do quite a lot of damage to either Goblin deck. Instead, he just did nothing.
@@Dreadnought_XIII Exactly, you activate Lethal Vapors for 0 Mana 10 million times and then each ability resolves, making you skip a turn. The only issue is that everyone else can activate the ability an equal number of times.
@@chrisjones1473 seed born would have done nothing if he played stasis. I this he got counters by the brothers as he couldn't get an encantres into play.
In the future, can you guys just make minor changes to decks to make them more playable and therefore fun to watch? Like if the mana is really that bad, fix it. It’s no fun to watch a player struggle to do anything.
Does stasis even work with seedborn muse? Since all untap steps are skiped, you shouldn't untap on their untap steps, right? Or is the skipping a replacement effect and you can order the triggers in a way you can still trigger seedborn?
@@chrisjones1473 yeah, i felt like he should've just casted stasis at some point as a wierd card draw card, like, if no one can do anything for some turns is like everyone drew some cards xD
Tomer's brain just plain doesn't work the way this deck works. He just keeps sitting there hoping that he'll draw some magical answer and that setting himself back turns is a bad idea, but the deck has burgeoning so you can skip turns without setting back land drops, so SKIP TURNS IN THE SKIP TURNS DECK TOMER.
Hey Seth! Thanks for trying the deck out. You were very close in the first match by winning with the Jace plan. I think you needed either Jace on the board or two more mana. I did find that there wasn't much interaction in the deck, and probably some cards that are not as efficient at churning through the deck. I feel like cards like flood of years or other mass bounce spells would do some good. And having so many ways to recur them is great too. Side note: those were some of the worst piece's of the puzzle I've seen haha. That might be a card to cut.
Skirk prospector looks back at a cave in that killed a gob and celebrates finding shinies. Zada swings around a pestle and commits goblin cannibalism, perfectly normal Kiki can command Dragons. Fully, goblin horde consuming, fledged dragons Vorthos is also respectfully horrified of Kiki.
34:29 Um I know that CommandersQuarters recently botched this but Stasis does NOT combo with Seedborn Muse(or as they put it: Unwinding Clock). Both cards say during other players’ untap steps you untap cards. Stasis has EVERYONE skip their untap steps. Something like Wilderness Reclamation does work. Geez that was bad and is just making me more annoyed that such misinformation was flagrantly spread.
Correct me if I'm wrong. If Tomer played stasis with everyones mana tapped down then Played eater of days. everyone would have essentially skipped over two turns without being able to do anything and then Tomer could have been beating down with eater of days almost unaffected by the draw back?
TOMER CRIM SAFFRON AND MUDDSTAH tomer pretty much explained everything right and has 33 lands and dorks and some mana rocks. I admit kinda greedy mana base and lands should prolly be updated. Also sometimes you just gotta put the permanents in play sometimes to slow down the game to stall till you get what you need and see how opponents react to the permanents. Lethal vapors would of been good cause they have to skip turn to destroy it. You had some bad draws too. Alsonhave hive mind and pacts if they cant pay for the colors. I also dodnt know what came out for the extra lands Deck does work tho i promise and I am glad you picked it even tho you bagged on me pretty hard whole game I would like to discuss the deck with you farther if at all possible. Thanks for playing it again. I have other decks you would likt as well
Tomer, I don't mean to be rude but perhaps you should follow your own guidelines when choosing a deck. That way your not dunking on a viewer's deck again.
This. 1. I dont want to listen to Tomer complain for 2 hours 2. Its so off putting to hear him spend all this time putting someone down for their deck building skills while simultaneously saying he could have built it perfectly and then piloting the deck like he's stone cold drunk
It's okay Tomer. Don't be sad about them countering your seedborn Muse, it doesn't do anything with stasis anyway because your opponents won't have an untap step for you to untap in.
This episode was amazing lol 26:19 couldn’t toner at least played Priviliged position? With the overgrown tomb, the forest and the white mana he picked up that turn, Tomer had the mana?
That unused Stasis in both games was so painful to watch. If you don't even intend to use the cards from a deck, why do you choose such deck in the first place? No entertainment value there.
Its one of the cards them at helsp skip your turn if need be plays if you are still taking turns its a creature leftover. Plus and can end turn on trigger if need be if you sundial in play
It doesn't, which would have been wonderful to see them all realise. There are however ways for that combo to work. What you do is look for cards that don't untap during a step other than the untap step. Forsaken city for example untaps during your upkeep. As such if you are willing to discard a card each turn you can indefinitely pay for stasis. All the effects that steal a permanent for a turn also tends to untap. Dominus of Fealty is one such card for example. Couple with Isocron on Reset and you completely break the symmetry. Though if you have a repeatable reset you've already likely won.
I hate to be that person in the comments, but this one was really frustrating to watch, and I have to complain just for sanity sake :) You pick a deck that does one thing, skips turns. It's not a very good thing, definitely not Vintage playable, but it's a thing. Then you draw the thing and the payoffs. Again, they're not going to be amazing, but it's what the deck does, it's why you picked it, and it promises to be at least hilarious if nothing else. And then you repeatedly refuse to do the thing. And I'm not even talking about the not killing Seth turn, that actually made sense. I'm talking about all the turns where you held a Stasis and Eater and refused to use them to slow people down, and then you ANYWAY did nothing with your turns, so you might as well just skipped them. I just had to pause the video and take a break. It's like the worst striptease ever where the lady just stays fully clothed until the end.
Tomer thought Seedborn Muse and Stasis make a combo. Internet says that skipping the untap phase means Seedborn Muse has no effect. Who is right? (Also, cool idea! Don't listen to Tomer's shade about the checklist; he was just politicking complaining about the deck to get people's guard down.)
Would prefer that you guys pick decks of similar power levels on viewer submitted week would give jankier decks a chance to show off instead of get comboed out on
My deck that Tomer is playing need to be explained a little. Some time you gotta play the permanents and just get them in play to slow thimgs down or force some actions.
@@chrisjones1473 yeah I get it most of the game he couldn't due to color issues though would suggest the tri lands over checks if you are looking for more budget. But regardless it is a janky although awesome idea...not fit to fight a doomsday combo or a goblin army. Maybe with the right hand and such but not a majority of games
So how did Tomer lose game 1? Andrew has no enchantments in play to sac to cause tomer to sac either of his key enchantments. Sure he can make him sacrifice his artifact, but Tomer still have the cards to pay for solitary confinement for 4 turns while Andrew doesn't have the cards not to deck himself. What am I missing?
Constructive Criticism: Maybe when you see a deck idea you like and you think the base of the deck itself needs improvement, you should get in touch with the deck submitter and work with him to make the deck better and more consistent for the gameplay video. That way you don't invalidate the spirit of viwer submitted decks by arbitrarily making changes to the deck, but you don't rink getting episodes like this one, where the deck doesn't do anything for 2 games in a row.
Tomer was missing one of the best skip your turn combos. Play Teferi's protection, then skip all of your turns with lethal vapors. You literally never get a turn again and can't lose (and hopefully they don't have a lab man or something)
Could muddstah combo kill tomer if muddstah sacrifices both of his enchantments to make tomer sacrifice his then he loses his combo of infinite red cap because he can put a plus one counter on it any more or am I missing something?
@@ms.sysbit5511 Oh, yeah you are right, it is amazing that in several paper games that nobody ever realized that. well I got Wilderness Reclamation in there anyways.
Timer, I issue you a challenge!!! I recently found a really cool commander but I think he's literally impossible to build around. I challenge you to build a deck around major teroh! (As the commander)
@@galleadden yeah I decided to build abazan anti black deck with loads of ways to turn creatures black I'm stuck on the name though. Do j call it racism the deck or Donald trump's policies?
Tomer might have won casting stasis and the eater of days after he played sulfuric vortex with seth insta dead and crim and andrew basically locked long enough to die to vortex and the flying 9 power. But I like his choice not to. killing seth out right without a guranteed win, when seth has tried to assist tomer against the archenemy? thats a friend play. I love the kindness plays ( even if the kindness is from someone with the stax card in hand)
@@mikeschlott not really, knowing most cards and its interactions between each other make's u know what r the best cards for each deck and also knowing how to play them. ps: was just for the lols
@@tonystark-sl2qj No, Seedborn Muse and Stasis are not a combo. Stasis makes players skip their untap steps, so Muse can't trigger. It would have been fun to hear Tomer reaction though :)
ok no offense to Andrew but him talking about Seth having more fun with just blue and not black is a joke. I love this series, but it seems that now a days everyone always plays decks just a few levels higher than everyone else. Crimm has learned your play styles, but even took him awhile. I think they should actually watch commander clash before joining. Also episodes with no wraths and answers are just not as fun to watch. Seeing 1 person get out to a lead with no answers just is not fun to watch. Last did Tomer just pick a deck to shit on it lol?
Tomer's deck is all over the place. Just about every card that isn't ramp is just half of some stax combo, and some halves are just completely missing from the deck. There's next to no card draw, or tutors, or ways to get the right cards you need into play to make the deck work. Replenish effects are great, but there's no self-mill. It has Lethal Vapors, but doesn't have a Pithing Needle effect to stop OTHER PLAYERS from activating it. It has Stasis, but no way to actually abuse it -- Seedborn Muse is non-bo, Awakening is literally the anti-Stasis. It has Exquisite Blood, but not Sanguine Bond. The way it's built you're basically just praying you draw the right part of your deck early in the game. I see what the deck is trying to do, and if you remove some of the scummier stax locks (and I say that as someone who loves playing stax) it could be an interesting take on the "group slug" archetype. Honestly you could probably drop red and/or green. Red isn't doing much (in this list), and green is basically just mana fixing. I think Blue/White is your base since it's effectively an artifact/enchantment-based control deck. Then I think you'd choose to go deep on black or red for the win-cons since both of those colors have a lot of things that punish players for playing the game.
The alternate world in which you stasis-ed Seth would've been so sweet. This is just proof we actually live in the worst of all possible timelines. We should've predicted there would also be a global pandemic
Man, Tomer that deck was bad. Like really, really bad. Cool idea but the execution has it as unplayable. You picked a deck where you did nothing and died. Muddstah’s deck was strong and sweet but like the rest of you picked really poorly constructed ones. Muddstah’s was above your normal par but you guys went below when you stopped running most interaction. And yours was the most egregious offender. I do think you were right to lambast the maker a bit but why pick it if you knew it’d go like this?
tomer could have won game two. He totally punted. All he had to do was play the stasis on the same turn he played sulfuric vortex, then use chromatog totem to skip his next 1000 turns. Tomer punt count: 593.
Tomer, for fuck's sake, even if your cards don't win you the game, you can still play them. Why didn't you cast Stasis? You might still have lost, but at least it would've been fun. Watching you do almost literally nothing the WHOLE GAME was extremely frustrating.
I play Stasis and pass. Everyone else passes, or swings all their creatures at me. My turn, I pay for Stasis and pass. Everyone else passes. My turn, I can't pay for Stasis so it's sacrificed, and all my stuff is untapped. Everyone else untaps and kills me for playing Stasis. Is that what you wanted to see? That would be fun?
@@tomerabramovici32 maybe contact the builder of the deck and figure out how to play it first. you kinda dunked on the deck builder whist doing nothing for 2 games.
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Tomer: chooses a deck that is designed to pass the turn
Tomer: complains that his deck doesn't do anything and has no answers
Seedborn Muse + Stasis doesn't do what you think it does, Tomer.
Love it!! So glad to see my jund goblin deck! Thank you so much!
George do u know me I think I go to your shop?
What a fun surprise to draw the grenzo with the Doomsday! I love that goblin deck and it's really fun. Glad it did well
My god Tomer, just play stasis. In game 2, there were so many great opportunities to screw over your opponents, like Seth almost dying to pact or when Andrew and Crim were going at it and tapping almost all their lands and creatures. You need to grind the game to a halt in order for your deck to catch up and work. (Don't mean to be too rude. Just a bit vexed here)
I think I should explain my thought process here. Until you get the combo up and running, you have two options. One is to do nothing, and the other is to play stax that will let you set up. If you want to be involved in the game, you will have to drag everyone down with you until you luck into the cards that enable you to clamber over them out of your trap. Being patient when there are people trying to screw you over or aggro you out faster than you can build your four-piece-combo just does not work. So again, play iut the stax pieces and allow yourself the time to set things up properly later
@@davispo7550 Agree to an extent, but playing Stasis is just a really bad multiplayer politics move, especially since Tomer didn't seem to have any autowin combos to dig into.
Gotta agree, you didn't bring your deck to not play with it
@@VolvoxSocks Stasis with Sulfuric Vortex would have likely won the game. Andrew would have been at 12 life and would need to draw six untapped lands in a row to win through stasis.
@@VolvoxSocks I have to disagree. He could have played Stasis and Eater of Days both, early on and with the totem gotten 3 turns out of Stasis, while mitigating the "downside" to Eater of Days and in the end had a 9/8 Flier that good do quite a lot of damage to either Goblin deck. Instead, he just did nothing.
Thanks for shouting out my Teferi tribal deck Crim!! Hopefully you get to it sometime.
Watching Tomer autoyield the izzet boilerworks caused me physical pain
I actually dropped my phone when I saw that.
Not as bad as when he extraplanar lensed vesuva. Nothing will ever be as bad as that.
Tomer no worries, Seedborn Muse and Stasis would've not worked anyways.
@@arivald6677 In response, they each stack 80.
Przemysław Włodarczyk doesn’t work, the turn skip of lethal vapors is part of the abillity not the cost
@@Dreadnought_XIII Exactly, you activate Lethal Vapors for 0 Mana 10 million times and then each ability resolves, making you skip a turn. The only issue is that everyone else can activate the ability an equal number of times.
@@arivald6677 I discovered Lethal Vapors and Teferi's Protection combo a while back, it's sweet but it needs Grand Abolisher too.
Yep preventing opponents using vapors can be essential
Watching Tomer just do nothing the whole game was quite painful to see
There was stuff to do he just opted to not play any enchantments amd then seedborn got countered. I wish he would of asked me for any tips about deck
@@chrisjones1473 seed born would have done nothing if he played stasis. I this he got counters by the brothers as he couldn't get an encantres into play.
@@swiftdragonrider simply stating he had cards to play at times
In the future, can you guys just make minor changes to decks to make them more playable and therefore fun to watch? Like if the mana is really that bad, fix it. It’s no fun to watch a player struggle to do anything.
As always, I'm excited to see you guys play commander everytime!
Keep up the good work guys! :)
Does stasis even work with seedborn muse? Since all untap steps are skiped, you shouldn't untap on their untap steps, right? Or is the skipping a replacement effect and you can order the triggers in a way you can still trigger seedborn?
I am pretty sure it does not. There are a lot of sweet stasis combos, Like wilderness reclamation, but seedborn is not one one of them
Shhh, that's not important. What's important is that Crim used skirk prospector to cast rewind.
No, it doesn't. Since opponents don't have untap steps Seedborn Muse never trigger.
Stasis is in my deck to help stall while you can to get more fun out then just Sac the stasis
@@chrisjones1473 yeah, i felt like he should've just casted stasis at some point as a wierd card draw card, like, if no one can do anything for some turns is like everyone drew some cards xD
Tomer's brain just plain doesn't work the way this deck works. He just keeps sitting there hoping that he'll draw some magical answer and that setting himself back turns is a bad idea, but the deck has burgeoning so you can skip turns without setting back land drops, so SKIP TURNS IN THE SKIP TURNS DECK TOMER.
Hey Seth! Thanks for trying the deck out. You were very close in the first match by winning with the Jace plan. I think you needed either Jace on the board or two more mana.
I did find that there wasn't much interaction in the deck, and probably some cards that are not as efficient at churning through the deck.
I feel like cards like flood of years or other mass bounce spells would do some good. And having so many ways to recur them is great too.
Side note: those were some of the worst piece's of the puzzle I've seen haha. That might be a card to cut.
Yeah pieces needs like 40 instants or sorceries to be good well playable it's just not a great card
Loving this season so far, Muddstah is a great addition. Now if only you could find room for Jen and Richard too... six player Commander Clash when?
Tom and vince...
@@MultiTaz333 nah Jake and Tom is where it's at. I need some Jake goodness in commander class no one else twists the truth like him
@@ashra8281 Jake was great too
Tom best man
1:35:00 that play hurts so much, Tomer could have kill Seth and bought so many turns with stasis + fish
17:50 "Is Krenko the scariest goblin?"
"Skirk prospector is scary"
"Zada's pretty good"
Kiki Jiki, Heart Broken: "Am I a joke to you!?"
Smirk sacrifices other gobs.
Zada literally ate her leader.
Kiki makes tokens.
Skirk prospector looks back at a cave in that killed a gob and celebrates finding shinies.
Zada swings around a pestle and commits goblin cannibalism, perfectly normal
Kiki can command Dragons. Fully, goblin horde consuming, fledged dragons
Vorthos is also respectfully horrified of Kiki.
hell yeah i hope that my deck gets picked next time so that tomer can thoroughly dismantle my self-esteem too
34:29 Um I know that CommandersQuarters recently botched this but Stasis does NOT combo with Seedborn Muse(or as they put it: Unwinding Clock). Both cards say during other players’ untap steps you untap cards. Stasis has EVERYONE skip their untap steps.
Something like Wilderness Reclamation does work.
Geez that was bad and is just making me more annoyed that such misinformation was flagrantly spread.
Correct me if I'm wrong. If Tomer played stasis with everyones mana tapped down then Played eater of days. everyone would have essentially skipped over two turns without being able to do anything and then Tomer could have been beating down with eater of days almost unaffected by the draw back?
@ ~ 12 minutes they're talking about how Crim is playing Goblins with counterspells as he sits with a Krenko and a Rewind in his hand. Hilarious.
TOMER CRIM SAFFRON AND MUDDSTAH tomer pretty much explained everything right and has 33 lands and dorks and some mana rocks. I admit kinda greedy mana base and lands should prolly be updated. Also sometimes you just gotta put the permanents in play sometimes to slow down the game to stall till you get what you need and see how opponents react to the permanents. Lethal vapors would of been good cause they have to skip turn to destroy it. You had some bad draws too. Alsonhave hive mind and pacts if they cant pay for the colors. I also dodnt know what came out for the extra lands Deck does work tho i promise and I am glad you picked it even tho you bagged on me pretty hard whole game I would like to discuss the deck with you farther if at all possible. Thanks for playing it again. I have other decks you would likt as well
So Tomer tryed to play Muse + Stasis that don't work... There's another use case for Stasis beside Stalin?
@@gzzuss def not in there for muse lol. It helps stall and hurt opponent if your close to set up or trying to lock them down after you are set up
@@chrisjones1473 I know, there's no other way to abuse? Teferi, kismet or wilderness Rec?
I mean could Tomer just combined the best of both decks and give credit all around?
Tomer, I don't mean to be rude but perhaps you should follow your own guidelines when choosing a deck. That way your not dunking on a viewer's deck again.
I agree, it feels pretty bad to hear you thrash the deck builder.
Its my deck tomer is playing and im getting ready to watch it not sure if he played it right yet
@@chrisjones1473 spoilers: he didn't and it was painful
This.
1. I dont want to listen to Tomer complain for 2 hours
2. Its so off putting to hear him spend all this time putting someone down for their deck building skills while simultaneously saying he could have built it perfectly and then piloting the deck like he's stone cold drunk
It's okay Tomer. Don't be sad about them countering your seedborn Muse, it doesn't do anything with stasis anyway because your opponents won't have an untap step for you to untap in.
This episode was amazing lol
26:19 couldn’t toner at least played Priviliged position? With the overgrown tomb, the forest and the white mana he picked up that turn, Tomer had the mana?
Ree watching tomer is so painful
Whoops I completely missed this I would of submitted a deck shame
Edit: I think muddstah should play his mistform deck
That unused Stasis in both games was so painful to watch. If you don't even intend to use the cards from a deck, why do you choose such deck in the first place? No entertainment value there.
Tomer needed Prophet of Kruphix too, to flash things.
1:08:20 Tomer, don't be boring.
I can't say that I've ever seen a end my turn deck strategy before. It is a pretty unique concept
Have you seen skip my turn?
It is a fun deck and I love playing it 😁 so glad they picked one of mine
@@chrisjones1473 I love playing stasis on turn 3 and then only ever taking a turn if I run out of counter spells
@@MyMike1119 im watching it now
@@chrisjones1473 Kind of wish he *actually* played it.
There is no Jace spell book ponder, only brainstorm.
Is eater of days a combo piece? Why did Tomer hold it for so long? Turns and turns of doing nothing instead of having a 9/8...
Its one of the cards them at helsp skip your turn if need be plays if you are still taking turns its a creature leftover. Plus and can end turn on trigger if need be if you sundial in play
It synergizes with Stasis when your opponents are tapped out.
Does seedborn muse plus stasis work? How can you untap things on skipped untap steps?
You can't. It's a non-bo. So it's probably better that it got countered, but I'm disappointed I didn't get to hear Tomer's despair.
It doesn't, which would have been wonderful to see them all realise.
There are however ways for that combo to work. What you do is look for cards that don't untap during a step other than the untap step.
Forsaken city for example untaps during your upkeep. As such if you are willing to discard a card each turn you can indefinitely pay for stasis.
All the effects that steal a permanent for a turn also tends to untap. Dominus of Fealty is one such card for example. Couple with Isocron on Reset and you completely break the symmetry. Though if you have a repeatable reset you've already likely won.
Muse + Stasis does not work, muse untaps in untap step of other players, which are skipped...
I hate to be that person in the comments, but this one was really frustrating to watch, and I have to complain just for sanity sake :)
You pick a deck that does one thing, skips turns. It's not a very good thing, definitely not Vintage playable, but it's a thing. Then you draw the thing and the payoffs. Again, they're not going to be amazing, but it's what the deck does, it's why you picked it, and it promises to be at least hilarious if nothing else. And then you repeatedly refuse to do the thing. And I'm not even talking about the not killing Seth turn, that actually made sense. I'm talking about all the turns where you held a Stasis and Eater and refused to use them to slow people down, and then you ANYWAY did nothing with your turns, so you might as well just skipped them. I just had to pause the video and take a break. It's like the worst striptease ever where the lady just stays fully clothed until the end.
My deck got picked thats awesome. Im CUnit123123
Did tomer play it badly? Also is your name a reference to G-unit?
Tomer thought Seedborn Muse and Stasis make a combo. Internet says that skipping the untap phase means Seedborn Muse has no effect. Who is right? (Also, cool idea! Don't listen to Tomer's shade about the checklist; he was just politicking complaining about the deck to get people's guard down.)
@@cooldes4593 I feel like he did. Because the goal of the deck is counterintuitive and he try to play the regular way
And got you're deck building skills ripped to pieces
@@ashra8281 in very greedy on mana sometimes but it works for me they like extra mana and mana rocks.
Refined skip your turn tribal for next week?
I built a similar jund goblins combo... and it's amazing!!
Can I get your list? I'm always looking for improvements on this list :)
@@GeorgeMaj15 Your the George that made the deck? Lol
How many times at this point has morophon been played? Is he the most played commander at this point?
Pass.
Pass.
Pass.
Pass.
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-Tomer 2019
Its what the deck does and if set up right its great. Also fun to play karona and put a vow on him so he cant attack you amd pass karona around lol
After all the trash talk from Tomer about his deck there better be a follow up where he designs it. Honestly really looking forward to it.
What are they using to play Magic?
I really hate that I missed the submissions. Really wanted to submit my dragon less Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck.
Chris Seiler is it a protean hulk combo? We have a guy at my lgs that play scion as a protean hulk combo commander
@@goblin5496 Not really. Arcane Adaptation and creatures that can one-shot, such as Phage, Blightsteel, etc. Janky infinite damage combo as backup.
No way I know George (creator of shatter gang bros) he goes toy shop I play with him all the time
George is my kind of person!
I'm not sure if we play at the same shop, but next time I'm there I'll see if I can find you :)
Probably not the same guy after looking through the deck list but there's a guy named George who plays a killer shatter gang bros what are the odds
Good episode guys. Andrew really did his thing this week, i was rooting for him too.
Monoblue durdle is my jam. Patron of the Moon baby! This Kefnet deck is the right kind of jank.
1:32:00 Watching Andrew draw a lethal combo and just activate Grenzo 4 times instead was painful.
What a relief
Would prefer that you guys pick decks of similar power levels on viewer submitted week would give jankier decks a chance to show off instead of get comboed out on
My deck that Tomer is playing need to be explained a little. Some time you gotta play the permanents and just get them in play to slow thimgs down or force some actions.
@@chrisjones1473 yeah I get it most of the game he couldn't due to color issues though would suggest the tri lands over checks if you are looking for more budget. But regardless it is a janky although awesome idea...not fit to fight a doomsday combo or a goblin army. Maybe with the right hand and such but not a majority of games
@@aarong2606 Lands prolly do need updated from check lands I just aint updated in in a while and its a load of fun
Maybe have a jank viewer submitted and a more focused viewer submitted?
I really want to see Tomer try to build a version of the deck he played, that deck seems so cool.
So how did Tomer lose game 1? Andrew has no enchantments in play to sac to cause tomer to sac either of his key enchantments. Sure he can make him sacrifice his artifact, but Tomer still have the cards to pay for solitary confinement for 4 turns while Andrew doesn't have the cards not to deck himself. What am I missing?
Rythm of the Wild and Zendikar Resurgent can be sacrificed.
I had two enchantments on the field that could have been sacrificed to the Shattergang Bros.
@@ankhi3585 Fair enough. I missed that, thanks
I look forward to this when I get home every friday night
Doesnt everyone? Im at FNM playing magic and cant wait to get home to see the shenanigans from Seth and the Gang
Constructive Criticism:
Maybe when you see a deck idea you like and you think the base of the deck itself needs improvement, you should get in touch with the deck submitter and work with him to make the deck better and more consistent for the gameplay video.
That way you don't invalidate the spirit of viwer submitted decks by arbitrarily making changes to the deck, but you don't rink getting episodes like this one, where the deck doesn't do anything for 2 games in a row.
You guys know that Stasis and Muse don’t work...
Why not
@@louisnanda9121 there is no untap step with stasis...so no untap step to muse
@@DanMeisterZ yeah I get it now I've just never seen that interaction before
Tomer learned when he tweeted about this failed combo last week.
Yesss. My man Morophon is back.
Is he a man? Or a beast? Or an angel? What about a kavu?
@@ashra8281 mind blown.
Notification Squad! Love you guys so much keep up the great content ❤️
If you want a super fast doomsday deck grenzo is the goat (and kriik too)
Grenzo is infamous for being able to kill on turn 2 alot.
Tomer was missing one of the best skip your turn combos. Play Teferi's protection, then skip all of your turns with lethal vapors. You literally never get a turn again and can't lose (and hopefully they don't have a lab man or something)
*Laughs in Circu Dimir Lobotomist*
Could muddstah combo kill tomer if muddstah sacrifices both of his enchantments to make tomer sacrifice his then he loses his combo of infinite red cap because he can put a plus one counter on it any more or am I missing something?
And then tomer can play stasis and lethal vapors and skip his turns until muddstah decks himself and he won’t be able to untapped and kill tomer
Other than ass trophy, how much targeted removal can't target your own things? Rider and bake into pie both can.
Why no teferi tribal
Stasis and Seedborne muse? I play that in my Tatyova stax deck.
That doesn’t work js... Stasis skips everyone’s untap so Muse never gets her chance. You’d need Wilderness Reclamation or similar.
@@ms.sysbit5511 Oh, yeah you are right, it is amazing that in several paper games that nobody ever realized that. well I got Wilderness Reclamation in there anyways.
Can you post the other deck?
It is posted in the article that goes along with the video.
Tomer....I just dont know what to say this week....
Seth, build a Daretti Mono-Red Prison deck!
I might have to do this, now that I know playing Blood Moon is acceptable ;)
Timer, I issue you a challenge!!!
I recently found a really cool commander but I think he's literally impossible to build around.
I challenge you to build a deck around major teroh! (As the commander)
U mean mono white grindstone-painter servent? That sounds fun
with painters servant unbanned its not...impossible. not great but playable! and edhrec had hilarious build of pro-black tribal.
@@galleadden yeah I decided to build abazan anti black deck with loads of ways to turn creatures black I'm stuck on the name though. Do j call it racism the deck or Donald trump's policies?
@@ashra8281 Just call it " this is america" then you have a theme song to go with it.
@@galleadden classic the most true pairing of all the Us and racism
Spoilers:
Those comboblins kill were sweet
Tomer might have won casting stasis and the eater of days after he played sulfuric vortex with seth insta dead and crim and andrew basically locked long enough to die to vortex and the flying 9 power. But I like his choice not to. killing seth out right without a guranteed win, when seth has tried to assist tomer against the archenemy? thats a friend play. I love the kindness plays ( even if the kindness is from someone with the stax card in hand)
When the player that misses most good plays tells u that ur deck building is bad. Feelsbadman*
Good deck building is a different skill than playing well.
@@mikeschlott not really, knowing most cards and its interactions between each other make's u know what r the best cards for each deck and also knowing how to play them.
ps: was just for the lols
Oh tomer, why pick a deck and not play its cards? So frustrating
Crim sacking his board to counter seedborn muse when he could of countered one of andrews cards triggered me.
To be fair, wouldnt tomer just win with seedborn muse and stasis on board? (Granted crim doesnt know about stasis in hand, but still)
@@tonystark-sl2qj No, Seedborn Muse and Stasis are not a combo. Stasis makes players skip their untap steps, so Muse can't trigger.
It would have been fun to hear Tomer reaction though :)
TOMER Seedborn stasis isn't a lock, you still don't untap
Real tired of watching Tomer play like two cards in a game with all these janky decks.
JUST PLAY STASIS!
worst game this season, tomer could have don so much cool shit but he just chose not to
Yeah 25 seems way too few in a 99 card deck.
When and where do we submit decks for you guys to try? I have a very Seth deck that I think would be enjoyed. archidekt.com/decks/77382#Ramos_EDH
ok no offense to Andrew but him talking about Seth having more fun with just blue and not black is a joke. I love this series, but it seems that now a days everyone always plays decks just a few levels higher than everyone else. Crimm has learned your play styles, but even took him awhile. I think they should actually watch commander clash before joining. Also episodes with no wraths and answers are just not as fun to watch. Seeing 1 person get out to a lead with no answers just is not fun to watch. Last did Tomer just pick a deck to shit on it lol?
Andrew normally plays acceptable decks.. and well, I learned about a couple of globlin combos, so..
Favorite tribal is shamans
Tomer's deck is all over the place. Just about every card that isn't ramp is just half of some stax combo, and some halves are just completely missing from the deck. There's next to no card draw, or tutors, or ways to get the right cards you need into play to make the deck work. Replenish effects are great, but there's no self-mill. It has Lethal Vapors, but doesn't have a Pithing Needle effect to stop OTHER PLAYERS from activating it. It has Stasis, but no way to actually abuse it -- Seedborn Muse is non-bo, Awakening is literally the anti-Stasis. It has Exquisite Blood, but not Sanguine Bond. The way it's built you're basically just praying you draw the right part of your deck early in the game.
I see what the deck is trying to do, and if you remove some of the scummier stax locks (and I say that as someone who loves playing stax) it could be an interesting take on the "group slug" archetype. Honestly you could probably drop red and/or green. Red isn't doing much (in this list), and green is basically just mana fixing. I think Blue/White is your base since it's effectively an artifact/enchantment-based control deck. Then I think you'd choose to go deep on black or red for the win-cons since both of those colors have a lot of things that punish players for playing the game.
broo play stasis???
Will Tom be back at one point? i enjoyed his calmness
Tomer... What is this Deck lol
Tomer definitely should murder Seth with Stasis, Commander Clash have become too soft more like Commander Disagreement!😆😆😆
Playing check lands in a 5 color yikes
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss stasis lock themmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The alternate world in which you stasis-ed Seth would've been so sweet. This is just proof we actually live in the worst of all possible timelines. We should've predicted there would also be a global pandemic
Gg Andrew
Man is really boring watching Tomer playing nothing the hole game
Man, Tomer that deck was bad. Like really, really bad. Cool idea but the execution has it as unplayable. You picked a deck where you did nothing and died. Muddstah’s deck was strong and sweet but like the rest of you picked really poorly constructed ones. Muddstah’s was above your normal par but you guys went below when you stopped running most interaction. And yours was the most egregious offender. I do think you were right to lambast the maker a bit but why pick it if you knew it’d go like this?
ZZZZZZzzzzzz…….
tomer could have won game two. He totally punted. All he had to do was play the stasis on the same turn he played sulfuric vortex, then use chromatog totem to skip his next 1000 turns. Tomer punt count: 593.
only skip one turn per turn
Tomer, for fuck's sake, even if your cards don't win you the game, you can still play them. Why didn't you cast Stasis? You might still have lost, but at least it would've been fun. Watching you do almost literally nothing the WHOLE GAME was extremely frustrating.
I play Stasis and pass. Everyone else passes, or swings all their creatures at me. My turn, I pay for Stasis and pass. Everyone else passes. My turn, I can't pay for Stasis so it's sacrificed, and all my stuff is untapped. Everyone else untaps and kills me for playing Stasis.
Is that what you wanted to see? That would be fun?
@@tomerabramovici32 maybe contact the builder of the deck and figure out how to play it first.
you kinda dunked on the deck builder whist doing nothing for 2 games.
I hate goblins
Tomer's deck was just sad.. and bad. At least play SOME cards, man.
33:33. Brutal