Wild Camping in a Rainstorm - Bad Weather Thrashes my Hilleberg Nallo
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Struggles of wild camping in England | Rainstorm Thrashes Hilleberg Nallo
Another wild camping adventure and this time I'm joined by @WiltshireMan in the Peak District. The weather was pretty grim. Strong winds and a heavy rainstorm meant for a long night under the flysheet.
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0:00 Introduction
0:52 Waterproof jackets
3:15 Peak District weather
7:35 Hilleberg Nallo
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11:03 Stay warm camping
13:29 Brew time
16:15 Weather forecast Peak District
16:52 Rainstorm thrashes tent
21:40 Cooking in a tent
25:55 Long night in a tent
32:05 Next day..no better
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Hi paul, I think the weather forecasts are pretty inaccurate these days you would think with all the tec the met office would get it nearly right ,
Keep up the good work 👍
I done my first wild camp last night after watching your videos for years. we camped at snowdonia, got there for 8pm, hiked till 10 and set up our tent, was all going well then water started to come in one side so we were getting abit wet, nevertheless we got some sleep. woke at 5am. packed out gear and headed for the summit, got lost ended up crawling on all 4s on the side of the mountain as we had taken what looked like a route up but wasnt, eventually we got to the summit, soaked through. couldnt stand up on the summit as the wind wouldve blown us off, started to head back down at around 8.30 and made it back to the car for 11. eventful first outing to say the least but i thoroughly enjoyed it, will definetly be doing more wild camping in future.
Do the mountain rescue a favour though get a gps and a map and have a go at navigation it’s actually really fun and will get you out of bother
@@dmac4097most definitely going to get myself a gps
Tip to anyone new to wild camping always tie the tent guylines to a backpack when seting up in windy conditions
Definitely - do it even when it's NOT windy so you have the routine when it's strong gusty windy.
Absolutely!
And when taking down
Sandy is the absolute pinnacle of gratitude... The shit luck he's had come his way and yet he's living and loving his life. We are so lucky he shares it with us. Love this guy.
Thanks for the shoutout Paul! Rough weather you two had, but it looks like you had a comfortable night in the Nallo 👍. Enjoyed the video as always! Your impression of Andy was pretty spot on 😂👌
Thanks for the advice mate re the tents. New one on the way 😉
@@PaulMessner Nice! I think you’re going to love it 👍
Re: indoor hobbies for winter nights. My best mate and I have usually taken tents each and often get stuck separated like the both of you were. A mountain rescue or outdoor themed book i.e., Bothy Tales, Cairngorm John, etc on the Kindle usually keeps me going. A game or two of solitaire. Write in a journal.
However, on our most recent camp in the Cuillin hills, we shared the Allak 2 and although a bit cramped, it was class. Great chat, cozy warm, couple games of cards.
Brill to see you with Sandy out together😊. Keep trekking lads❤
I think anyone who's followed you over the years with even an ounce of sense, doesn't think you're trying to flog a single thing. You have a large reach, so unfortunately the bored, the drunk, those that want a little attention will look to provoke for that attention and be noticed. If you're getting even 10-40 negative comments per video, on 40k views you're talking less than 0.1%. Do what makes you happy ultimately Paul, but don't let that occasional vocal minority knock what you do. I imagine I speak for countless others when I say your opinion matters greatly, for the entirely opposite reason in that you review things for the love of the hobby.
I cannot think of a better place to be than in that safe, warm tent with a rainstorm blowing around you outside. Your impression was brilliant - Ant & Dec?! 😆♥️
mate, it's 9pm, I'm here, I'm excited and I'M READY!
Love these vids, g'day from Australia.
Thank you Paul for the video with Sandy really excellent viewing. Well done and Stay Safe.
What a great night, brilliant to see you with Sandy - you clearly enjoy each other's company. Sheets enjoy your videos. All the best, Paul
Great video Paul. 2 legends of wild camping. I have the Helm 1 and in my opinion it's the best 1 man tent of any tent under £500 on the market. I paid £160 for mine.
I absolutely love these videos, when I have so much work spinning round my head at night I think of myself in this situation and it takes me away
Brilliant Andy Wardle impression. If I'd closed my eyes I would have thought it was him!
Btw, I thoroughly recommend the Tour Du Mont Blanc (in the summer of course). I did it with my partner about five years ago, and we camped behind an Italian mountain lodge in a thunderstorm - the lightening flashes turned my retina white, with my eyes closed! We were camped on a small ledge next to a glacier ... quite dramatic!
My favourite video of yours thus far Paul. Good advice there from Sandy too. Lovely to see you out putting the Nallo through its paces. Epic stuff
Great to see you meet up with Sandy! I've been following him as well for a while.
I still have my original Hillberg Nallow bought in 1988 I retired it a few years ago so at over 30 years old I regard it as incredible value for money did have a new ground sheet in it quite a while back.
Have to say that my winter tent is also a helm 1 difficult to beat for the money.
I find that Paramo gear is by far the most comfortable highly water resistant clothing for winter use tho it’s back to Gore tex when the weather warms up
I have never used paramo. But personally think goretex is a great item for winter conditions but only cold winter conditions....like -5 celcius or colder. -10 to -20 celcius even better. Because it blocks the wind so good it makes the insulation underneath so much more effective and allows it to be much thinner with less bulk. It really makes a couple fleeces or 300 gram wool baselines insanely warm.
The colder it gets the better the goretex moisture transfer works too because the humidity outside drops as more moisture freezes.
Once it is much above 5 celcius goretex barely works and your better off with a poncho because your sweat makes you wet whenever it actually rains anyways. Zero moisture transfer is even possible when it is raining outside. Goretex marketing is absolute bs.
It is almost hilarious goretex is really only good in the exact opposite conditions it was marketed for. But in winter it is actually awesome.
Hahaha! I love you guys! Thanks for enduring the crazy weather and entertaining us. I so appreciate you.
What a Legend Sandy is. Great to see you out with him.
That was a Great Camp Paul, I really enjoyed it. I don't mind the long nights in my tent provided I'm warm and dry, have some food to eat and maybe a beer or two And it's even better if I get a Storm to listen too:)
I was very happy with how the Helm1 stood up, great little tent.
Thanks Paul and All the Best.
Sandy
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Great Andy Wardle impression:)
The solitude is just what the dr ordered sometimes Sandy. Look forward to heading down your way again in the near future
That was a great watch and good to see how the two of you got on so well. What a nice chap to go camping with.
wow very interesting experience friend
Had one or two evenings, putting the tent up, on the Cape Wrath trail in rain like that this August. Mostly got away with the wind luckily. The feeling of getting into a dry space while all around you outside being borderline dangerous is second to none.
Great video inspite of the weather...Sandy seemed to enjoy himself...Nice to see your impression of young Wardle....many thanks
Great thing about the windy days - no bugs!👍🏼
Another feather in your cap, great to see Sandy and you. Thank you for taking the time to do this great video.
Thanks for watching!
Owned a Paramo jacket for about 30 years now and it is still going strong with regular reproofing. Only area showing wear is the velcro wrist aduster strips on the sleeves. The jacket is far more comfortable than the few Goretex based jackets I've worn over the same time and even in torrential downpours the Paramo has never suffered the same issues as GT.
They're too warm though for most conditions I find 😬
Wey aye pet. I thowt it was me talkin. 😂😂 it looked horrendous out there. The weather is not right. It’ll be the Elon Musk messing about with it. Good to see Sandy out there in it. I’ve been stuck in my tent many times. It’s frustrating like but I amuse myself 😂😂😂 I would’ve been in your tent though if I was there in that. That’s my thing. It’s what I do. Anyway. Good watch. Proper mad night. Atb 👍
Do impression of Beavo next. 😂
Rain and wind are as beautiful in the mountains as the sun... Thank you. Love the sound of raindrops on the tent. And you have a very interesting hiking partner. 👍
Cracy camps like this makes you enjoy the calmer ones even more. But what a good fun adventure you two had there. Cheers!
Nice to see my older brother in your video, Paul, great memory makers these video's. Thanks for the upload.
So happy you started the podcasts 😊 ❤
Great video as always, due to MND diagnosis i can no longer go camping but watching your videos brings back memories. Keep up the great work
Nallo 2s can be flappy things. Getting the pitch bang on is vital. Getting the 'skirt' taught between the front and back main corner pegging points is key, and the angle of the guys too. In very windy weather I will double-guy to get the main section as taught as possiblewith guys in direct line with the tent, and second guys out to the sides ie. 'triangulated' but at right angles, if you get my drift. But any tunnel tent will flap, and when the fabric is wet everything needs re-tensioning. But once everything is done, it is a pretty bomb-proof tent. That's my thoughts as the user of a 26 year old Nallo 2, and a newer one which is only 10 or 12 years old. The older shape is more 'solid' to look at, the newer model has more space at the front, in width and depth.
Hey Paul, I have one recommendation for you, pitching a Nallo. Always work on the ground, so you don’t have problems with flapping material, until the second pole is in the polesleeve. Both poles should lay flat until the moment you pull it to a tunnel. I hope it’s to understand. English isn’t may native language. Then work fast and pull the webbingstrap very tight. Then the rest!
Great video, Paul! I always appreciate your adventures. And, thanks for introducing us to Sandy! I turn 64 in a few weeks, yet enjoy backpacking. My video of a four day adventure in the Shawnee National Forest over Halloween should be posted by Monday. You are never too old to live, my friend!
My worst tent weather was a storm in Glen Etive at New Year, my friend's Vango Force Ten broke a ridge pole(remember them?!), which poked a hole in the inner(luckily not the fly!). My Saunder's Fellpine took a battering but stayed up with help from some big boulders on the pegs. It was snowing rather than raining and we woke up to a 1 foot deep drift on one side of the tent.
I use that same OEX bag that Sandy mentioned and it is a real bargain and works OK down to near-freezing just wearing a merino base-layer.
As for Paramo, I have a love/hate relationship. I have 3 of their jackets and 90% of the time they are perfect but, in extreme prolonged rain, you do get wet and eventually chill. Plus they tend to be heavy and hot, so no good in summer. But in typical UK conditions with short, squally, showers and wind they are much more comfortable than membrane jackets. And they last forever.
Good to see you with Sandy ....Great video
Thank you for your video, it was fantastic to see you out with Sandy, I enjoy his videos also, hello from the mountain's of west coast of Canada BC.
My late Grandad said “Don’t worry, your skin’s waterproof!” Lol
Fantastic video, I did watch Sandys and was waiting for yours , spoke to him on the phone , he was buzzing from the trip you guys did , looks like you both really enjoyed it , even in the stroppy weather
I use those pour & store bags (the one you use for the pasta) as boil in the bag pouches to cut down on washing up & stirring. Use the water for a brew MRE stylee. Great video as always, Cheers
Nice to see you two out together, weather was definitely what I would call 'challenging' in front of cadets.
Great video Paul... Get out in any Weather... That's the way.. Enjoyed watching your chats together up there. Fantastic stuff 👍
When I am in a tent for so long I make sure I have some films downloaded to watch. Great video again.
Awesome watch thx paul
Great video, I used my Nallo 2 for first time last weekend at kinder low. I was very impressed how it coped but unfortunately I left my ear plugs at home. I worry about wearing earplugs just in case I am asked to move on and I dont hear them 🤣 I usually watch match of the day in the tent in bad conditions, however last week was cold and very windy but no rain so my friend and I stayed outside chatting until we couldnt take it anymore, was nice overlooking manchester and watching the lights come on
This was GREAT two of the best guys I loved😄 it
filling your pump bag by the air multiplier effect. small air current drags in air from the sides.
Another excellent video Paul & Sandy.Much appreciated see you in Hathersage on Wednesday.
Look forward to seeing you there
In answer to your question Paul. I'm watching your video whilst my tea cooks. Tipi with a tent stove as I'm here [Highlands] for a week and that ability to get dry is priceless!
Paul here in Malta I actually don’t remember last time it rained! Infact everywhere is still dry and brown 😊 , in the tent I watch Paul’s Videos, podcast either at work or when walking ❤
Lucky man. UK sucks ass for camping lol.
31:05 I've worked with a scouser for about 15 years (live in Barnsley), I can definitely nail that accent now! Watching Brookside as a young 'en probably helped too!
I’ve been wearing Paramo for 25 years. Yes, it will eventually wet out in the right (wrong?) conditions - BUT you still can stay at a comfortable temperature. Importantly, to me, Paramo dries quickly.
I still have Paramo kit that I bought late last century and I still wear.
It’s not for everyone though.
I think it's great for all day use in cooler temperatures
Would it dry over night in your tent?
@@Howling-Mad-Murdock as you stay warm in Paramo I tend to continue wearing it until it’s time to sleep. Invariably, it is dry by then; typically takes 1½ - 2 hours to dry when out of the rain.
That water has to go somewhere so important to vent the tent adequately &/or sponge up the condensation the best you can. In that regard I’ve not found anything better to mop up with than the Sph2onge cloth. (Spelling is correct) which is incredibly good and useful as long as it’s wet to start with (not dry!).
I also use Paramo trousers (Cascada 2’s) in cold wet conditions. Not cheap kit but easily will last >20 years if looked after and treated with Nikwax as needed. Earlier this year I was on The Cobbler (Scotland) in a storm with gale force wind (over 35mph) and torrential epic rain. The wind chill brought the temp down to minus 14°C. My Paramo kit kept me comfortable (I was only wearing a long sleeved Merino wool tee-shirt under the jacket) and I was dry in 90 minutes.
@@chrishamilton2527 Thanks for that mate, great info.
Great video Paul and I'm so pleased you gave a shout out to @GoingSoloOutdoors I watch his channel too and love his videos. Well done for riding out the storm. 😊
Great vid sandy is a legend, I have to say a call of nature in high winds is a skill that easy to do but hard to master :), not sure I would have taken a tunnel tent, but it did well, I am going for a poncho approach next I am just intrigued :). Thanks for making the vid :)
I could listen to Sandy all day
Another great video pal 👍. I was out Friday night at High Stones on a bit of a long walk n adventure. was a bit sketchy but the little vango Banshee 200 stood up to it. Definitely need something bigger 14+ hours is a long time in a little tent. Keep up the great work mate 👍
That was a good Andy, Paul! And I didn't even need subtitles. 🤣🤣
Great to see you with Sandy, lovely bloke, I met him at Church Farm a good few years ago. A fellow radio amateur, I'm fortunate to have a couple of his knives.
They are beautiful knives. Have 2 also.
Thanks. Always fun. I was thinking a shame he didn't haul his Bivy to set up inside the tent just in case it all came down around him. At least you would stay dry. Peace to you and yours.
Enjoyed watching! But glad i wasn't in that weather? Brilliant impression Paul 😂 Don't give up the day job Andy❤
My two favourite TH-cam men! Great stuff!
The wait........ 'will the seams split open" ?? we've all been there !!!!
Awesome your sticking to the decafe… that hilleberg is well flappy inside in the wind, would drive me nuts, never owned one only read they can be like that although bombproof in every other way 🎉
CCS (Camera Care Systems) camera bag!! I bought my first bag in the Design Center, in London, on a college field trip back in 1984!! I still have it and it still has my 1982 OM1n!!! Classic!!
Changing the subject, maybe an episode on walking boots, one of the most crucial parts of walking in the wet, especially over several days?
So good to see you hiking in Vivo's Paul! I wear Vibram 5 Fingers barefoot shoes and always get into conversations about them on the trail. So much feedback under the feet and won't hike in anything else.
😆😆😆wow I thought something really strange had happened to TH-cam and Andy's video was suddenly playing, boss impersonation, lol. You also managed the Geordie quite well!!! Brilliant video by the way.
The reason why small breath is enough to fill the pump sack is called Bernoulli's principle.
And great video btw ;)
Xtherm best mat by miles..in my opinion, I always take the trekker chair in winter, find it much more comfortable and I always download a couple of films to my phone to pass the time.. bar of chocolate and couple of beers and I'm well happy tucked up for 14 odd hours with my dog. I love winter camping, as you said Paul, take the correct gear and it's enjoyable, take the wrong gear and regret the whole experience 😂
Great video Sir!!!
I love bad weather camping. Ya only need a spark to light gas, ya don't need the flame.
Nice to see two of my favourite mountain GOATS together on a decent hill. I find the rum helps with me getting at least a few hours sleep even in the worst of weather. Ear plugs essential, I use them at home anyway as Mrs W is a bit of a noisy sleeper.
Definitely needed them that night mate
Nice one on the diet, Sandy - "Long dinners, short lives" ...
I have the Optimus Vega stove, I can run it both normal and inverted, depending on temperature, and gas pressure. Inverted also uses more gas, or so they say. I really like it
Weight: Just stove 186g, incl bag 202g
One reason I got it was because of its spiral design pot support, I'm able to use my small diameter pots on it, like my Toaks Titanium 450ml.
But it does require wind shelter, but then even my Solo Windmaster does if I want the best from it. The Windmaster just handles wind control a bit better than most stoves do.
I use the winemaster myself sometimes
One of the world's best knife makers right there. 🔥🔥
Nasty weather out there but everything available to enjoy it instead of enduring it.
Very roomy tent and as to be expected, solid as a rock.
Like if 'Ashford and Simpson' were singing about their favourite Swedish tent :)
Once I'd like to try out a Paramo jacket but still hesitant due to cost/unknowns about the 'feel' in gushing wind and rain.
For spending evening hours, I like to bring some old Startrek episodes on my mobile phone or other old sci-fi like f.i. 'Barbarella'. Classics work best in my case.
Great wild camp in wild conditions with Sandy. He'll have you on a motorcycle next. Keep up the great videos.
Also a fan of Paramo but one has to learn how to use it, work with its strengths and weaknesses. I also have the Quito, it's good for warmer wet as it packs small, in warm rain I wear it over a t-shirt and just bare the arms through those massive pitzips then when it gets cold pull the arms in, then if it's even colder then pull a windproof smock over to cover all the zips, but it is a short jacket so doesn't protect the legs so I have to select the legwear - usually in the context of warm weather bare legs or just windproof to shed rain away from filling my boots.
Agree with remote stoves and wider pots.
Winter long nights. An old school AM/FM/LW radio and a large screen phone, a large powerbank and watch a boxset, or better on battery life is listen to podcasts. In the Lakes, more so the western side, Manx FM or Radio 4 LW is quite good. I use Tubemate to download YT videos and get_iplayer to download BBC when on wifi. Neither of which I'd expect any official endorsement.
Brilliant again Paul always enjoy the camps regardless of the weather appreciate it all the best marra stay safe 😃🏕⛰👌
Paul, I think your mate brushed off your JCB joke… I got it, was hilarious!
Brilliant 👏👏
😂😂😂Brilliant impression of @AndyWardle . 👌 never laughed so much. Biker Grove man 😂😜
You could try the Hilleberg Niak. It is a bit quieter and lighter. Freestanding more or less. Perhaps not for snowy conditions.
That looked bleak Paul! Great to see you out with Sandy, pity you were both tent-bound for the night, but that's Kinder Scout for you.
Great vid mate… As per usual! 👌🏻
Hi Paul, I wondered if you could put a video together showing some wild camping sites in the Peaks that are accessible for older campers that aren't in the same condition as Sandy. I'm also 61 but have osteoarthritis and some muscle issues. I grew up camping in the Peaks and would love to get out wild camping again. Incidentally, I've met Sandy a few times and even appeared on one of his videos on his knifemaking channel.
Lastly, I'm always interested to see what stove you're using as I have a large collection of about 300 or so stoves, and I like to hear others' opinions. I bought the X boil after watching your videos.
I laughed too much at your ‘carbs are king’ because they definitely are 😂
Cwm Guan in the Preselli hills is a glorious valley in the bluestone country.
For the long nights in my tent I have Amazon Prime tv series downloaded. In Virginia and West Virginia where I mostly backpack there is no cell phone coverage. I lived in the UK for a number of years. I know those wicked nasty nights y’all get there. Type 2 fun at the best of times.
Watching this video to keep me entertained , while it’s windy and raining outside the tent here on the Northumberland border tonight, same weather conditions here🤣, atb Mick 👍
Crikey you poms are hard core , I’d have bailed in the car park, I’ve got to harden up . Thanks for the video as always
Greatings from Colorado! I love the lighter weight and the vestibules in the tunnel tents, but I hate the flapping. Congrats with the foot improvement, going through similar issues. Switched to Altras for trail hiking, looking for a good boot now.
I also favour Altra’s for three season use. For leather 4 season boots have a peak at Vivo Barefoot range. Similar to Altra in that they are zero rise - they are amazingly comfortable and take waterproofing to a high level. If you do decide to try them ….., I always wax leather boots from the on-set, before taking them for a walk. Ensure both the boot and wax are nicely warm to the touch before applying the wax with a cloth. Repeat after their first outing and they’ll take you through a ‘normal’ winter without further treatment. Good luck.
Thanks for the tip. I’ll look into them.
Paramo jackets, are brilliant, I use it lot,here, in Ireland, we know a thing or two about rain here!!
My tent time escapism is a kindle paper white- you can’t beat a good book. Illuminated and great battery life.
One small tip for cold nights, morino wool long johns and a long sleeve top, even popping out at 4am for a pee in the snow is bearable.
Blowin A Hoolie....!🤣 Great though init & I think U won this one on impressions...!😂
For me it's cider, beer, smoke and films in the tent 😊
My favourite waterproof is "frogg toggs" but it tears so easily I find myself replacing very regularly.