Sam this is why I watch your videos. Your reviews are so accurate and usually spot on about the the wagons , coaches and engines. So I do not waste my time and money on bad product. Plus the added bonus of being entertained while watching not boring like other model train videos I have seen.
hi sam. nice wagon. but guess what? accurascale made quite a few variations of this much better detailing and if not mistaken with an RRP of 25.00 pounds each.
Strictly speaking Accurascale made a model of a similar but subtly different type of telescopic hood wagon. Though you'd have to be very sad to have noticed this difference, ahem...
Coins? Not coils? In the late 90s/early 00s, EWS replaced these (or just got their own versions) with the BRA and BYA wagons, which were a rounded design instead of this more square one. They both have the dips in the floor like this, but they run the length of the wagon instead of going across the width of it, and the BRAs have removable floors for different sized steel coils whereas the BYAs have the fixed floors. And I believe the hoods are hand operated (although loaded by a forklift). Recently there's been a Sunderland South Dock to Wolverhampton steel coil train that's hauled by a DB Cargo class 60 and is usually formed of 21 BYAs; this runs on mondays (not every monday though), and last week it was 60066 in Drax livery on a full load. Today (yesterday I guess) it was 60015 in DB Cargo red but with a small load of 8 wagons so it departed 225 minutes early and I missed its departure so didn't see it in person. Bachmann have done the BRAs, but not sure if they've done them branded as BYAs in 00. This model does look chunky, not worth the price. It looks hornby railroad quality, and very interesting that the underframe and bogies are moulded in brown plastic, not black plastic or painted black,
haha was I saying coins? That's pretty embarrassing... how did I manage that? Thanks a lot for the extra info anyway, and yeah the brown underframe is strange isn't it? Maybe some got painted brown? Maybe the real ones are so mucky they just looked like they were brown? It's a good point though, looks very strange! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
An interesting wagon, which could really come alive with some thoughtful weathering. The prototypical one you showed in the colour photograph would be a great guide to giving a realistic look. Personally, I think the thing could be ideal for surreptitious storage of small chocolate mints, stacks of Krugerrands or a selection of shotgun rounds (depending on what kind of neighbourhood you live in, I suppose...)
Linke Hoffmann Busch (LHB) also makes the same telescopic hood wagon for West German rail operators in the 80s. As they are continental models, Roco makes them in HO scale, and it is available on either Gaugemaster or Jadlam. They are sold in 2-packs and under £60, which turns out to be slightly cheaper than this. I would really love to see a review on continental vs British telescopic hood wagons.
These type of wagon are used through out Europe for the transfer of steel (and aluminium) coiled sheet from steel/ aluminium works to customer. Coils from strip 3 to 25mm thick dependent on end use. The steel mills will produce a batch of coils of the same steel grade from one melt (approx 200 tonne dependent on the facility) and the coil size is dependent on the customer handling capacity. German/Italy trains going through Switzerland can be 40 wagons of this type plus other types in the train with upto 4 locomotives ( just in case they need to go over the old Gotthard route)
These sliding hood cars are used a lot around Europe, especially through the Channel Tunnel. There are also versions of the steel coil cars with tarpaulined sides similar to how some truck trailers are, and those with only doors that slide for other freight that can't fit in a container. This sliding hood concept has not been adopted on American railroads, as we still use steel coil cars where you have to take the lid off to load and unload the coils, and many times they run without the lids.
11:10 They actually misspelled the company name on the side. It should be "Vereinigte Tanklager und Transportmittel GmbH" (United tank farm and way of transport ltd), but on the sign they printed "Tankinger" (which doesn't make any sense). How in the world did they make such a basic error, especially for such a price.
Ya know what, a wagon like that, priced like that just hammers home for me why modelling modern railways would be pointless, a decent Class 66 roughly £160rrp, and buying just 10 of those wagons would more break any modelers bank account, now take into account the Class 66 IRL can easily haul 20 of those. I don't even want to think about much that a realistic rake of wagons would begin to cost. At least with steam era rolling stock you can get away with mixing and matching wagons as that was very typical of that era and most wagons of that era don't over the £15 mark, many more even stay under the £12 mark. Doesn't sound like mike, but it does all add up to make a huge difference. So yeah from this alone I can say that: Modelling the steam age is generally cheaper, nicer to look at and allows more flexibility. The modern era railways, really not so much.
Yeah, this especially is a bit much isn't it? Surprised at Dapol though - their stuff is usually pretty good value, even by today's standards. That's very true - steam era stuff generally is cheaper... but then a £12 wagon is 1/3 of the length of this... so consist-length-wise I suppose it's similar! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not true. Bachmann BR steam era wagons are nothing less than £20 to £25. Bear in mind that the average freight train from that era was at least 40 wagons then you soon go over the price of a modern train. I run both so I have a lot of experience in this. You would struggle to have more than 10 of these on most layouts.
@@maringarvanovic8011 I do see your point, however without wishing to sound disrespectful, bachmann to me seem to be a company that are an exception that reinforces the rule of what I was saying earlier, I'm not denying what you say, but I'm merely prepared to argue that bachman expensive like that because they're... well very greedy with their prices. Specially with Markups like that. Let's not forget for £30 Oxford rail sells packs of 3 wagons, and yes the Warwall flat trucks they sell are just over that individually, you still find those wagons for £30 from retailers with the additional piece of something like a Tank for that price. I very see bachmann products with such... "value for money" on sale in retailers. Again not denying what you say. This an expensive hobby all round it seems.
I think we both agree that it is an expensive hobby and really should not be as bad as it is now. Look at a Model Rail from 8 years ago and look what a train would cost you. Modern loco plus 12 hoppers. Under £300 and if you went to Hattons it would be about £240. Same train now is over £600. That is how I price things up now, cost of the whole train. I run long trains so I have to. You take care and keep enjoying the hobby.
Personally, I much prefer either kitbuilding/scratchbuilding my rolling stock or buying older models and detailing them myself unless there's no alternative to buy new rtr like the Hornby J15
Thank you Sam for another money saver review 👍 naff wagon and naff locomotive 😉 looks like I will have to save up a hell of a lot of money to get a rake of roco’s digital sound version of these to go with my Trix class 66 (bankruptcy here I come) 🤣🤣🤣
No problem John- yes bit of a naff running session overall, haha! Oh wow that sounds incredible - might have to look at that myself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If Triang was around today this is probably how they would do this wagon. Having said that, this is a good model for any UK (post 1979) or even European layout (yeah HO/OO I know but I do this all the time with my ferry vans). The steel coils a great addition. These generally did not run in long rakes so even having one on your layout is prototypical.
They are air brake hoses mukka... they were never fitted with vacuum pipes. Keep up the good work. With a cost like that we could say they have been made by "Dachmann"!!! They are steel 'coils' young man... the only coins involved are only the ones you gave to "Dachmann" to purchase it. Regards from Oz. Gaz
Oh wow I've got one of these, mines one of the blue ones. When I got it I didn't realise it was functioning. Great review. I got mine from my local model store for £22.
Hi Sam Great review again and maybe one I’ll steer clear of. Buying so much rolling stock brand new right now before I build my first layout. After years of watching your videos I’ve got to start building a layout.
When you say 'more gravity'... Gravity is a constant (32ft/s or 32ft/s/s - I can't remember which - at one Newton). There is more weight for gravity to act upon in the second Gordon's Hill test. However, consider that a bogie box wagon has twice the number of wheels which adhere to the rails and create friction as well as being less aerodynamic (due to there being a greater surface area for air resistance to act upon) than, say, a 16T mineral wagon.
When did I say 'more gravity'? I was a physics student, so that's not a term I'd tend to use... time stamp?! I've found where I said 'more momentum', but not gravity. Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Apologies - my mistake. You said, at 14:37-14:42 "...because it weighs so much more it takes more energy for gravity to speed it up as well..."
I thought it was a awesome freight car. Sure it was basic but an great addition to your freight car collection in my opinion. And I look forward to seeing it on the next loco review or rolling stock review. Not worth 30 pounds though. It reminds me of the coil steel gondola cars we have on the railroad here in the United States. That car would be $41 on the US markets. American coiled steel gondola are $60. So I'd be thankful you didn't spend 43 pounds for it. Thank you for sharing and have a great week.
Thanks a lot my friend -yeah sure, it's worth having just because of how unusual it is - sure! $41 is pretty similar... wonder if the detail is similar?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it depends on the railroad. Some liveries are more basic than others. Some could have the railroad's logo on the sides while some are painted in a single color scheme. Which in the prototype form is common on US railroads. On top of the hoods you would have some separately fitted parts. The hoods are removable allowing you to load and unload the car. So in a sense it's similar to the car you showed in this review but with a different shape.
@Sam’sTrains I rewatched your "Britain's Ugliest Locomotives?" video before this. I'm a big SR Q1 fan you know and I watched old archive videos of it (1992-1997) pulling passenger trains on the Bluebell Railway and I was really impressed by it overall.
Since your review of the Dapol Silver Bullet, I’ve gone on a Dapol wagon buying spree including these telescopic ones as well as the 4F-025-011 MJA mineral wagons. The MJA wagons have quite a bit of weight to them compared to the others
Got some of these in N, probably not looked at them that closely! Not much choice in that scale anyway, but I was pretty happy for the price I paid (around £20).
Steel coils, or at least the ones I’m used to see on this kind of wagons, have a hole in the center since you don’t want to bend the iron too much. The way the coils are placed on the model isn’t too different from real life: the idea is the same, only the shape on the car bed isn’t that nice and round; also the load is fastened, but that wouldn’t be easy to do in OO, as you pointed out. As always, thanks for the entertaining review and see you soon! :-)
Nice wagon at first I thought the wagon had a motor that worked the hood....I like the loads etc..I have similar wagons from Roco which have sound and dcc working hoods but even more expensive as they come in a permanent rake of three per set. Nice vid Sam... Jim.
I was wondering if you could open your very own shapeways store? One product you'll be making for example are those amazing Uncle fredrickson's balancing coaches that unfortunately have sold out on Etsy and you'll be making lots and lots and lots of those to sell for those who missed out on the ones you sold on Etsy and you'll be as many as you want.
Your exploits with your 3D printers should have demonstrated how difficult it is to create a OO gauge wagon to this standard. Although it has flaws, it would be a tremendous amount of work to create a wagon such as this from scratch. Thanks for uploading.
Certainly something different for a wagon being telescopic. Have you considered a review of any Accurascale wagon. They do a JSA steel carrier at a similar price (£60 for 2) so would be an interesting comparison
Very fair review Sam. Looks passable from a distance just so, but up-close it does look awfully unrefined, chunky and unprecise for the money. Quite overpriced I would say. Perhaps some weathering could change the overall impression but it does remain too basic with wonky parts, and too many fitted parts just look too thick.
For that price one could expect Dapol to have done their homework. The company is called "Vereinigte Tanklager und Transportmittel GmbH", not "Tankinger"...
Dave Jones legacy lives on...mostly plastic and leaves a lot to be desired! They've never really been cheap, I remember buying some when they were first released and they were nearly £30 more than 10 years ago. Question...if there is only one brake pipe on one end of the wagon, how does the rest of the train brakes work?!!! They can be worked up into good models though, but it takes some effort to replace and repaint some of those crude parts.
If that's the case, how do you load the smallest "coin" into the wagon? Open the hood and put it into the covered section? I noticed that Sam didn't appear to load all 4 on camera.
I think the term 'Coins' is wrong ..... I've never heard that before. ... Steel coils maybe !! .... Another great review, and I personally think these are worth the money.
Those are pending wagons from "KR MODELS". Not sure when they will be available to buy, but the expected prices are around £75 for the 'unmotorised' version and about £150 for the type with an electrified and DC operated roof. Not sure if any genuine nuclear waste is included, but if so that will probably cost extra!
Nice review Sam! The doors on mine were very difficult to move at all. Eventually they fell off and I had to glue them in place. I kept the coils to put in the factory area. So not a great result for me.
These wagons look very nice really need to get some modern wagons for my own freight locomotives, functions are another thing we need to see as that will engage more people
Do you think you could look at operating wagons like the mail train Tyco and life like Did make accessories that Weren't detailed the greatest but they did actually function like they would In real life
Seems like a bit of a basic wagon for that price, I'm going to stick to my £1 near mint condition secondhand wagons I think. Also, I jinxed myself, you know I told you my 40yr old locos has never been serviced, well guess what, one failed on me over the weekend, guess I'm going to have to service it.
@@SamsTrains Keith's railwayana is a great secondhand shop in Peterborough at the nene Valley railway. Wagons range from £1-£4 and coaches are about £7.50 -£10. All are cleaned and serviced and he does locos that have all be serviced and ready to run. Plus he has a test track before you buy so he is a really good seller of cheap secondhand models.
Another excellent wagon from Dapol at a decent price. I think Dapol and Accurascale are really sticking it to the likes of Bachmann with their ridiculous wagon prices. Compare this to similar sized Bachmann wagons.
Hi Sam, I am brand new to the hobby and have been watching your videos to try and decide which Hornby locomotives to purchase. I have bought the Flying Scotsman set as my starter but I am looking for a top quality Hornby locomotive to buy. I have seen several types of interest via your unboxings. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems there are often several different numbers of the class by Hornby but they are not necessarily at the same level of quality as the one you reviewed unless its the exact same number you have. For example, as I look at the King Class locomotives there seem to be some that have the detail you pointed out, and others that do not, but often price alone is not a reliable guide. I live in North America so I pretty much have to buy my locomotives online and therefore can't see them in the shop first. So, simply put, is there a reliable way to tell if the Hornby locomotive you are considering buying is a high quality example of the class or not? Thanks so much for your kind consideration in helping me out here!
Sam, I didn't manage to complete the story, so let me give you a sneak peak haha. This is the first paragraph. :) Sam sat in front of his computer, deep in thought. His mum had just barged into his room a few minutes earlier, scolding him for spending too much time on computer games. ‘Sam, you got to stop being addicted to games,’ his mother had said. ‘Your grades at school are dropping, don’t let me see you in front of the computer, or I’ll take away your model trains!’ Of course, his mother only said that last remark as a joke, but Sam took it seriously. Yes, he enjoyed a game or two once in a while, but his model engines meant the world to him. ‘Okay mum, I’ll stop playing,’ he promised meekly.
Great video and I agree for £30 its a bit much. Its nice and all but considering I can get 2-3 basic wagons/vans or maybe a nice coach for about that (depending on where I shop), it doesn't seem as good. Just my opinion of course.
I know that feeling of buying basic models that cost too much. Primarily the Thomas and Friends Rolling stock. Costs way more than they should but turns again Bachmann is the only one to produce them. I just wish they were better than what you get now. I would love to see some weathering on that model in the future.
Thomas themed railway items are expensive due to the Licencing arrangements with the brand owner, Licence fee is 40% so product price is increased to make them viable so 60% of the price is Development, manufacture, marketing and delivery to the market, plus the manufacturers profit. Then the brand owner gets a massive 40% for doing absolutely nothing, whilst actually making more money off the products than the manufacturer. Thats the reason Hornby gave for no longer producing the product line.
@@darren25061965 oh trust me I'm all too familiar with Mattel being greedy assholes of course Thomas stuff even when new 20 years ago have always been somewhat overpriced. But now it's just gotten worse. It also doesn't help that Bachmann basically has a monopoly on the market. If the quality would go up it be worth it but I bought cattle wagons last year and the body's come off way to easy. Quality should at least match the price.
You are measuring the gauge of the wheels wrong. You measure the inside, you should measure the outside of the flanges on the thickest part as they are tapered. The size of what you measure does say nothing about how good or bad they fit on the tracks.
I had four when I was modelling UK N scale, and they were really impressive. This one looks an enlarged version of the N scale one... For the price, a better paint job would have been required, and the finish quite better. As is, GBP 15, sorry. I've seen Hornby railroad wagons better than this one.
I've heard a lot about the N scale ones... and I wouldn't be surprised if these were largely just scaled up from N... lots of the detailing does look pretty coarse! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think these are really nice wagons and these days, £30 for something this size is pretty good. Considering you'd need at least twice as many £25 mineral wagons for a similar length rake.
Yeah for the size £30 is great... but compared with the Turbots etc, the detail should have been a bit better... but yes that's a fair point! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I think the Turbot is underpriced rather than the telescopic being vastly overpriced. Makes you realise just how much of a bargain the Turbot is.
Well it’s a useful review for me because I was wondering whether or not to get a couple to go alongside my Accurascale JSAs but I’m not so sure anymore.
aww what? Dapol started to print the text on the back right way up? what a shame it was funny when they did it upside down. Dose the vagon only fit 3? i would have hoped that the fully covered bit could house at least the smallest one.... a centering pin, now thats creatively whatthefuckery. please dapol please never stop doing crazy stuff, it sets you apart, even if it dose not always work.
Detail wise not that different from the continental stuff, which usually comes without moving parts at this price point. For a good deal on block trains, go to a train show instead of buying new. with a bit of luck you get them weathered
I feel like you give a smidge too much criticism for low weight of wagons and coaches. Of course modern era wagons like this one are going to be pulled by modern and healthily strong (hopefully in model form) diesels but for steam engines with less strength as models that could pull dozens of wagons themselves for real can't get close to that with an unnecessarily heavy train
Do you have a Minecraft account? If you do Sam, is it called Sams_Trains? Because I saw someone with that name in a server called Datblock, and they said their name was Rosie, and they were your sister using your Minecraft account. Also, love your videos :)
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Sam this is why I watch your videos. Your reviews are so accurate and usually spot on about the the wagons , coaches and engines. So I do not waste my time and money on bad product. Plus the added bonus of being entertained while watching not boring like other model train videos I have seen.
You're very kind Louis, thanks so much! Appreciate it mate,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I used to work for British steel and load these type of wagons with an overhead crane. The steel coils average about 5 tonne each
Wow! Easy to forget that looking at the model... quite a bit of logistics involved in moving those around then?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hi sam. nice wagon. but guess what? accurascale made quite a few variations of this much better detailing and if not mistaken with an RRP of 25.00 pounds each.
Accurascale doing a reasonably priced/cheap(ish) model? That’s a first!
@@skilledarmaguess what THEY WERE 25 quid a piece .. so it pays to look around..afraid they are out of stock all sold out
Strictly speaking Accurascale made a model of a similar but subtly different type of telescopic hood wagon. Though you'd have to be very sad to have noticed this difference, ahem...
Weren't they always priced at £59.95 per twin pack? Hattons and Rails still have them, TMC even have them on discount for £47.95!
Definitely agree that we need more basic models to encourage youngsters into the hobby but they must come at a reasonable price that they can afford
Yeah absolutely Gordon - we see far too many basic models sold at top prices these days - great pity for beginners :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Coins? Not coils?
In the late 90s/early 00s, EWS replaced these (or just got their own versions) with the BRA and BYA wagons, which were a rounded design instead of this more square one. They both have the dips in the floor like this, but they run the length of the wagon instead of going across the width of it, and the BRAs have removable floors for different sized steel coils whereas the BYAs have the fixed floors. And I believe the hoods are hand operated (although loaded by a forklift). Recently there's been a Sunderland South Dock to Wolverhampton steel coil train that's hauled by a DB Cargo class 60 and is usually formed of 21 BYAs; this runs on mondays (not every monday though), and last week it was 60066 in Drax livery on a full load. Today (yesterday I guess) it was 60015 in DB Cargo red but with a small load of 8 wagons so it departed 225 minutes early and I missed its departure so didn't see it in person.
Bachmann have done the BRAs, but not sure if they've done them branded as BYAs in 00.
This model does look chunky, not worth the price. It looks hornby railroad quality, and very interesting that the underframe and bogies are moulded in brown plastic, not black plastic or painted black,
haha was I saying coins? That's pretty embarrassing... how did I manage that? Thanks a lot for the extra info anyway, and yeah the brown underframe is strange isn't it? Maybe some got painted brown? Maybe the real ones are so mucky they just looked like they were brown? It's a good point though, looks very strange!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I need to check mine now, but I think they are BYAs.
An interesting wagon, which could really come alive with some thoughtful weathering. The prototypical one you showed in the colour photograph would be a great guide to giving a realistic look. Personally, I think the thing could be ideal for surreptitious storage of small chocolate mints, stacks of Krugerrands or a selection of shotgun rounds (depending on what kind of neighbourhood you live in, I suppose...)
Definitely John - weathering would really serve these well! Ooh now there's an idea... chocolate mints!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Did you see the Model Rail article about building a tiny tabletop layout used for carrying sugar cubes and biscuits?
Linke Hoffmann Busch (LHB) also makes the same telescopic hood wagon for West German rail operators in the 80s. As they are continental models, Roco makes them in HO scale, and it is available on either Gaugemaster or Jadlam. They are sold in 2-packs and under £60, which turns out to be slightly cheaper than this. I would really love to see a review on continental vs British telescopic hood wagons.
These type of wagon are used through out Europe for the transfer of steel (and aluminium) coiled sheet from steel/ aluminium works to customer. Coils from strip 3 to 25mm thick dependent on end use. The steel mills will produce a batch of coils of the same steel grade from one melt (approx 200 tonne dependent on the facility) and the coil size is dependent on the customer handling capacity. German/Italy trains going through Switzerland can be 40 wagons of this type plus other types in the train with upto 4 locomotives ( just in case they need to go over the old Gotthard route)
These sliding hood cars are used a lot around Europe, especially through the Channel Tunnel. There are also versions of the steel coil cars with tarpaulined sides similar to how some truck trailers are, and those with only doors that slide for other freight that can't fit in a container. This sliding hood concept has not been adopted on American railroads, as we still use steel coil cars where you have to take the lid off to load and unload the coils, and many times they run without the lids.
11:10 They actually misspelled the company name on the side. It should be "Vereinigte Tanklager und Transportmittel GmbH" (United tank farm and way of transport ltd), but on the sign they printed "Tankinger" (which doesn't make any sense). How in the world did they make such a basic error, especially for such a price.
Ya know what, a wagon like that, priced like that just hammers home for me why modelling modern railways would be pointless, a decent Class 66 roughly £160rrp, and buying just 10 of those wagons would more break any modelers bank account, now take into account the Class 66 IRL can easily haul 20 of those. I don't even want to think about much that a realistic rake of wagons would begin to cost.
At least with steam era rolling stock you can get away with mixing and matching wagons as that was very typical of that era and most wagons of that era don't over the £15 mark, many more even stay under the £12 mark. Doesn't sound like mike, but it does all add up to make a huge difference.
So yeah from this alone I can say that: Modelling the steam age is generally cheaper, nicer to look at and allows more flexibility. The modern era railways, really not so much.
Yeah, this especially is a bit much isn't it? Surprised at Dapol though - their stuff is usually pretty good value, even by today's standards. That's very true - steam era stuff generally is cheaper... but then a £12 wagon is 1/3 of the length of this... so consist-length-wise I suppose it's similar!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not true. Bachmann BR steam era wagons are nothing less than £20 to £25. Bear in mind that the average freight train from that era was at least 40 wagons then you soon go over the price of a modern train. I run both so I have a lot of experience in this. You would struggle to have more than 10 of these on most layouts.
@@maringarvanovic8011 I do see your point, however without wishing to sound disrespectful, bachmann to me seem to be a company that are an exception that reinforces the rule of what I was saying earlier, I'm not denying what you say, but I'm merely prepared to argue that bachman expensive like that because they're... well very greedy with their prices. Specially with Markups like that. Let's not forget for £30 Oxford rail sells packs of 3 wagons, and yes the Warwall flat trucks they sell are just over that individually, you still find those wagons for £30 from retailers with the additional piece of something like a Tank for that price.
I very see bachmann products with such... "value for money" on sale in retailers.
Again not denying what you say. This an expensive hobby all round it seems.
I think we both agree that it is an expensive hobby and really should not be as bad as it is now.
Look at a Model Rail from 8 years ago and look what a train would cost you. Modern loco plus 12 hoppers. Under £300 and if you went to Hattons it would be about £240. Same train now is over £600. That is how I price things up now, cost of the whole train. I run long trains so I have to. You take care and keep enjoying the hobby.
Personally, I much prefer either kitbuilding/scratchbuilding my rolling stock or buying older models and detailing them myself unless there's no alternative to buy new rtr like the Hornby J15
Thank you Sam for another money saver review 👍 naff wagon and naff locomotive 😉 looks like I will have to save up a hell of a lot of money to get a rake of roco’s digital sound version of these to go with my Trix class 66 (bankruptcy here I come) 🤣🤣🤣
No problem John- yes bit of a naff running session overall, haha! Oh wow that sounds incredible - might have to look at that myself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If Triang was around today this is probably how they would do this wagon. Having said that, this is a good model for any UK (post 1979) or even European layout (yeah HO/OO I know but I do this all the time with my ferry vans). The steel coils a great addition. These generally did not run in long rakes so even having one on your layout is prototypical.
haha yeah - it's definitely got that play value hasn't it? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They are air brake hoses mukka... they were never fitted with vacuum pipes. Keep up the good work. With a cost like that we could say they have been made by "Dachmann"!!! They are steel 'coils' young man... the only coins involved are only the ones you gave to "Dachmann" to purchase it. Regards from Oz. Gaz
Nice I love how when you show the car in the intro you make the camera look likes its from the 1990's!
Oh wow I've got one of these, mines one of the blue ones. When I got it I didn't realise it was functioning. Great review. I got mine from my local model store for £22.
It comes to something when we're happy that something we've paid a fortune for, can actually stay on the rails...
haha very much so - credit where credit's due for that! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam
Great review again and maybe one I’ll steer clear of. Buying so much rolling stock brand new right now before I build my first layout.
After years of watching your videos I’ve got to start building a layout.
I don’t know why but I can picture the Bachmann Henry pulling this wagon/ freight car.
Neat piece of rolling stock. We have a similar freight car here in North America called coil cars that carry steel coils.
When you say 'more gravity'... Gravity is a constant (32ft/s or 32ft/s/s - I can't remember which - at one Newton). There is more weight for gravity to act upon in the second Gordon's Hill test. However, consider that a bogie box wagon has twice the number of wheels which adhere to the rails and create friction as well as being less aerodynamic (due to there being a greater surface area for air resistance to act upon) than, say, a 16T mineral wagon.
When did I say 'more gravity'? I was a physics student, so that's not a term I'd tend to use... time stamp?! I've found where I said 'more momentum', but not gravity.
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Apologies - my mistake. You said, at 14:37-14:42 "...because it weighs so much more it takes more energy for gravity to speed it up as well..."
haha no problem - you had me worried there!!
I thought it was a awesome freight car. Sure it was basic but an great addition to your freight car collection in my opinion. And I look forward to seeing it on the next loco review or rolling stock review. Not worth 30 pounds though. It reminds me of the coil steel gondola cars we have on the railroad here in the United States. That car would be $41 on the US markets. American coiled steel gondola are $60. So I'd be thankful you didn't spend 43 pounds for it. Thank you for sharing and have a great week.
Thanks a lot my friend -yeah sure, it's worth having just because of how unusual it is - sure! $41 is pretty similar... wonder if the detail is similar??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it depends on the railroad. Some liveries are more basic than others. Some could have the railroad's logo on the sides while some are painted in a single color scheme. Which in the prototype form is common on US railroads. On top of the hoods you would have some separately fitted parts. The hoods are removable allowing you to load and unload the car. So in a sense it's similar to the car you showed in this review but with a different shape.
Great video as always. I’d love to see a comparison on between the hornby and Bachmann A4. As ever this content is better than tv ❤️😁
Thanks so much Dwayne! That would be really fun actually - nice idea! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Sam’sTrains I rewatched your "Britain's Ugliest Locomotives?" video before this. I'm a big SR Q1 fan you know and I watched old archive videos of it (1992-1997) pulling passenger trains on the Bluebell Railway and I was really impressed by it overall.
I had no idea actual British box cars existed. I always thought that vans were the box car’s British counterpart.
A very nice model. I like these wagons because they look quite interesting and I often see wagons like it on the steel trains to and from Beverwijk.
Thanks a lot mate - I like them too - just a bit of something different! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thats a real cool looking wagon, shame it’s lacking in a lot of areas. I really liked the mate grey and blue livery.
It certainly is cool - I'll give it that much! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Since your review of the Dapol Silver Bullet, I’ve gone on a Dapol wagon buying spree including these telescopic ones as well as the 4F-025-011 MJA mineral wagons. The MJA wagons have quite a bit of weight to them compared to the others
Got some of these in N, probably not looked at them that closely! Not much choice in that scale anyway, but I was pretty happy for the price I paid (around £20).
Thanks a lot for sharing - I'd be very interested to see their N ones actually! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Steel coils, or at least the ones I’m used to see on this kind of wagons, have a hole in the center since you don’t want to bend the iron too much.
The way the coils are placed on the model isn’t too different from real life: the idea is the same, only the shape on the car bed isn’t that nice and round; also the load is fastened, but that wouldn’t be easy to do in OO, as you pointed out.
As always, thanks for the entertaining review and see you soon! :-)
Oh interesting - thanks for sharing! Glad to hear it's halfway realistic then! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice wagon at first I thought the wagon had a motor that worked the hood....I like the loads etc..I have similar wagons from Roco which have sound and dcc working hoods but even more expensive as they come in a permanent rake of three per set.
Nice vid Sam...
Jim.
The coils (not coins) are also poorly modelled as the real things have holes through the centre for cranes or fork lifts to pick them up.
Hello Sam! Enjoyed the video! Keep up the great uploads! Soon I’m going to my very first model shop which is particularly exiting
Hi Sam, Nice review, It's like my mother in law , looks good at a distance, I have to watch the pennies, so yes alot of money, All the Best Brian 🤗
I was wondering if you could open your very own shapeways store? One product you'll be making for example are those amazing Uncle fredrickson's balancing coaches that unfortunately have sold out on Etsy and you'll be making lots and lots and lots of those to sell for those who missed out on the ones you sold on Etsy and you'll be as many as you want.
10 car consists. Here in America average consist size is 2.5 km or roughly 120 cars in length. Some as big as 5km.
Pft. A minnow. 😁 In 2011 the BHP Iron Ore train in Australia had a length of 4.53 miles (7.29 km) and hauled 682 cars.
Your exploits with your 3D printers should have demonstrated how difficult it is to create a OO gauge wagon to this standard. Although it has flaws, it would be a tremendous amount of work to create a wagon such as this from scratch. Thanks for uploading.
good wagon sam keep up the good vids you do on the channel thanks lee
Thank you so much!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Certainly something different for a wagon being telescopic. Have you considered a review of any Accurascale wagon. They do a JSA steel carrier at a similar price (£60 for 2) so would be an interesting comparison
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Thank you for uploading on my birthday! :)
You should definitely check out Accurascale's JSA steel wagons, TMC currently have them at a discounted price of £47.95 per twin pack!
Very fair review Sam. Looks passable from a distance just so, but up-close it does look awfully unrefined, chunky and unprecise for the money. Quite overpriced I would say. Perhaps some weathering could change the overall impression but it does remain too basic with wonky parts, and too many fitted parts just look too thick.
For that price one could expect Dapol to have done their homework. The company is called "Vereinigte Tanklager und Transportmittel GmbH", not "Tankinger"...
Can you review the pride boxcar next
Dave Jones legacy lives on...mostly plastic and leaves a lot to be desired! They've never really been cheap, I remember buying some when they were first released and they were nearly £30 more than 10 years ago. Question...if there is only one brake pipe on one end of the wagon, how does the rest of the train brakes work?!!! They can be worked up into good models though, but it takes some effort to replace and repaint some of those crude parts.
Does it open from both ends? So that it allows you to get the load into the end that is not as high!
It doesn't sadly - just from that front end!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If that's the case, how do you load the smallest "coin" into the wagon? Open the hood and put it into the covered section? I noticed that Sam didn't appear to load all 4 on camera.
I think the term 'Coins' is wrong ..... I've never heard that before. ... Steel coils maybe !! .... Another great review, and I personally think these are worth the money.
Question have you been watching Hornby a Model World on Yesterday as I would recommend it!
2:10 you mentioned some motorised nuclear flask wagons,which are they?
Those are pending wagons from "KR MODELS". Not sure when they will be available to buy, but the expected prices are around £75 for the 'unmotorised' version and about £150 for the type with an electrified and DC operated roof. Not sure if any genuine nuclear waste is included, but if so that will probably cost extra!
recently i saw a video of someone with the old triang ferry wagons what a change!
Ooh awesome! They sound very cool! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice review Sam! The doors on mine were very difficult to move at all. Eventually they fell off and I had to glue them in place. I kept the coils to put in the factory area. So not a great result for me.
Hi sam
I would of said the rrp is more £20
For what it is
Great over all review honest
Keep safe arp
It looks like a Boxcar but on closer look It can telescope to fit loads in a specific order (Sorry for edits)
haha absolutely! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, all positives again. You do know how to do it properly. No surprises! Catch you in the next one!
Thanks so much Isaac, appreciate it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That doesn't look bad. I'll have to check it out.
These wagons look very nice really need to get some modern wagons for my own freight locomotives, functions are another thing we need to see as that will engage more people
Thanks David - there are definitely some great modern wagons out there! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Found one on Ebay for 31 pound with free post and packaging.
this model of the Q1 is awesome, but where's its tender?
Sam, where are you lists showing rankings? Where can we find these please?
It's a shame i barely see this engines in Italy
Ahh that is a shame :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The name is Alfred but yeah
Great video Sam. Thankfully I model steam so no need to worry about this really - or the class 66! :-)
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle might have to get some
Do you think you could look at operating wagons like the mail train Tyco and life like Did make accessories that Weren't detailed the greatest but they did actually function like they would In real life
Seems like a bit of a basic wagon for that price, I'm going to stick to my £1 near mint condition secondhand wagons I think.
Also, I jinxed myself, you know I told you my 40yr old locos has never been serviced, well guess what, one failed on me over the weekend, guess I'm going to have to service it.
Oh wow! Lucky you - how did you manage that?! Uh oh... mind you, I bet it'll work again after a bit of TLC! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Keith's railwayana is a great secondhand shop in Peterborough at the nene Valley railway. Wagons range from £1-£4 and coaches are about £7.50 -£10. All are cleaned and serviced and he does locos that have all be serviced and ready to run. Plus he has a test track before you buy so he is a really good seller of cheap secondhand models.
Another excellent wagon from Dapol at a decent price. I think Dapol and Accurascale are really sticking it to the likes of Bachmann with their ridiculous wagon prices. Compare this to similar sized Bachmann wagons.
A nice wagen Sam and as always a perfect video!
I am still waiting for BR class 28.
I love it, I’m wondering what the engine you would recommend to beginner, I might start soon
Sincerely me
Ooh that's tricky! It really depends what you like - I have tonnes of reviews, so look into whatever you fancy! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains got it, thanks, I think I might start with the 08 shunter
Hi Sam, I am brand new to the hobby and have been watching your videos to try and decide which Hornby locomotives to purchase. I have bought the Flying Scotsman set as my starter but I am looking for a top quality Hornby locomotive to buy. I have seen several types of interest via your unboxings. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems there are often several different numbers of the class by Hornby but they are not necessarily at the same level of quality as the one you reviewed unless its the exact same number you have. For example, as I look at the King Class locomotives there seem to be some that have the detail you pointed out, and others that do not, but often price alone is not a reliable guide. I live in North America so I pretty much have to buy my locomotives online and therefore can't see them in the shop first. So, simply put, is there a reliable way to tell if the Hornby locomotive you are considering buying is a high quality example of the class or not?
Thanks so much for your kind consideration in helping me out here!
Sam, I didn't manage to complete the story, so let me give you a sneak peak haha. This is the first paragraph. :)
Sam sat in front of his computer, deep in thought. His mum had just barged into his room a few minutes earlier, scolding him for spending too much time on computer games. ‘Sam, you got to stop being addicted to games,’ his mother had said. ‘Your grades at school are dropping, don’t let me see you in front of the computer, or I’ll take away your model trains!’ Of course, his mother only said that last remark as a joke, but Sam took it seriously. Yes, he enjoyed a game or two once in a while, but his model engines meant the world to him. ‘Okay mum, I’ll stop playing,’ he promised meekly.
haha no problem! That sounds very good though - probably quite accurate too! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Grainy footage? That a fancy filter or did you get an old camera?
Great video and I agree for £30 its a bit much.
Its nice and all but considering I can get 2-3 basic wagons/vans or maybe a nice coach for about that (depending on where I shop), it doesn't seem as good.
Just my opinion of course.
Thanks a lot Callum- yeah fine wagons, but only at the right price... definitely feel £30 is pushing it a bit too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This wagon is a case of the "unique tax." We get the same thing here in the US with autoracks, steel coil cars, etc.
Hi all, since Dapol dont give you an era, are theses still used in 2021 if you are modelling modern layout?
Great video sam these wagons look great
Thanks so much - they are very cool! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I know that feeling of buying basic models that cost too much. Primarily the Thomas and Friends Rolling stock. Costs way more than they should but turns again Bachmann is the only one to produce them. I just wish they were better than what you get now. I would love to see some weathering on that model in the future.
Thomas themed railway items are expensive due to the Licencing arrangements with the brand owner, Licence fee is 40% so product price is increased to make them viable so 60% of the price is Development, manufacture, marketing and delivery to the market, plus the manufacturers profit. Then the brand owner gets a massive 40% for doing absolutely nothing, whilst actually making more money off the products than the manufacturer. Thats the reason Hornby gave for no longer producing the product line.
@@darren25061965 oh trust me I'm all too familiar with Mattel being greedy assholes of course Thomas stuff even when new 20 years ago have always been somewhat overpriced. But now it's just gotten worse. It also doesn't help that Bachmann basically has a monopoly on the market. If the quality would go up it be worth it but I bought cattle wagons last year and the body's come off way to easy. Quality should at least match the price.
You are measuring the gauge of the wheels wrong. You measure the inside, you should measure the outside of the flanges on the thickest part as they are tapered. The size of what you measure does say nothing about how good or bad they fit on the tracks.
I had four when I was modelling UK N scale, and they were really impressive. This one looks an enlarged version of the N scale one... For the price, a better paint job would have been required, and the finish quite better. As is, GBP 15, sorry. I've seen Hornby railroad wagons better than this one.
I've heard a lot about the N scale ones... and I wouldn't be surprised if these were largely just scaled up from N... lots of the detailing does look pretty coarse!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yay more modern image wagons!
Yes indeed! :D
Hi sam I hope you're ok
Would yourecommend the hornby p2
What happened to the Fourth coin? No place for it?
I think these are really nice wagons and these days, £30 for something this size is pretty good. Considering you'd need at least twice as many £25 mineral wagons for a similar length rake.
Yeah for the size £30 is great... but compared with the Turbots etc, the detail should have been a bit better... but yes that's a fair point! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I think the Turbot is underpriced rather than the telescopic being vastly overpriced. Makes you realise just how much of a bargain the Turbot is.
When did you switch from slippers to crocs?
These wagons are fitted with air pressure brake system not vacuum!
Why are you keep saying coins?
Those are coils or am I wrong or misheard?
Well it’s a useful review for me because I was wondering whether or not to get a couple to go alongside my Accurascale JSAs but I’m not so sure anymore.
Thanks Jim! Not up to Dapol's usual standards for the price... but they are functional!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam, decent honest review as always
They sound cool sam hopefully they score well
Not too amazing this time - quite expensive yet under-detailed sadly! :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'd like to see a review on the BR class 47 "Warship"
Do you think that if the price was cheaper the the lackluster detail and poor performance would be slightly more acceptable. I'd say yes
Just picked up a second one on Ebay for 23 pound the box's has small bit of damage
Fun fact: The wagon is called Shimmns-u.
Edit: It looks longer than a Shimmns-u, at a second glance.
aww what? Dapol started to print the text on the back right way up? what a shame it was funny when they did it upside down.
Dose the vagon only fit 3? i would have hoped that the fully covered bit could house at least the smallest one....
a centering pin, now thats creatively whatthefuckery. please dapol please never stop doing crazy stuff, it sets you apart, even if it dose not always work.
Detail wise not that different from the continental stuff, which usually comes without moving parts at this price point. For a good deal on block trains, go to a train show instead of buying new. with a bit of luck you get them weathered
Nice wagon
Very fun & different!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
I feel like you give a smidge too much criticism for low weight of wagons and coaches. Of course modern era wagons like this one are going to be pulled by modern and healthily strong (hopefully in model form) diesels but for steam engines with less strength as models that could pull dozens of wagons themselves for real can't get close to that with an unnecessarily heavy train
I’m gutted I’ve been looking at these wagons. Yay Sams reviewing them…… oh poop. I agree the price is way to high. £20 sounds fairer.
Hi Sam nice to see you lol.
It's nice to see you too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do you have a Minecraft account? If you do Sam, is it called Sams_Trains? Because I saw someone with that name in a server called Datblock, and they said their name was Rosie, and they were your sister using your Minecraft account. Also, love your videos :)