Great comparison: Of note, the reason why you felt the V6 was so much better in the Pilot over the old one is because it is indeed a brand-new engine. It went from a SOHC to DOHC design and that could explain why you felt the engine much smoother/less gritty due to it being much more relaxed. The Honda 10AT is a marvel of a transmission, which helps the vehicle to be more engaging and more refined to drive.
This engine is a slug.... I drove it and it doesn't have nearly the real life feel of torque that you feel in the Telluride.... I floored both, and the Telluride will put you back in the seat.... the Honda speeds up slowly like a golf cart and has this weird 'whine' as the rpm's come back down..... very disconcerting.
@@mcnater Everyone has their own preference..... I can tell you this: I test drove the Honda Pilot and hated it, but I have also found some disconcerting things about the Telluride: Telluride has an OLD SCHOOL engine and transmission.... SERIOUSLY old school. Direct injection with NO PORT INJECTION to clean the valves of carbon buildup..... they also do NOT have hydraulic lifters, so you actually have to take the vehicle in to the shop to get the valves manually spaced/adjusted every so-many miles.... same type of thing I have to do to my lawn mower and my Generac generator. They also have plastic oil filter mounts..... terrible design....and a future point of oil leaks as the plastic degrades. I pulled the plug on my Telluride order..... this is NOT a long term engine/tranny setup.... and I am not going to be a guneia pig for Hyundai/ Loa again.... already have a Santa Fe Ultimate that is part of a class action lawsuit for the failure of 10's of thousands of bad 2.4 and 2.0 turbo engines.... just waiting for mine to implode.
@@BeverlyGill-l2x I frequent the F-150 forums and though direct injection carbon buildup was talked about a lot due to a few TH-camrs, nobody there has shown any actual problem caused by it. Ford sold millions of them before changing to a dual injector setup like my F-150, which has twice as many injectors that can fail. And injectors are kind of prone to failure, relatively speaking. Is that really a better solution? I'm not convinced. The valves, yeah, I was really surprised to hear that. I haven't had to adjust valves in decades.
We have a 2023 Honda pilot trail sport and it is a very nice vehicle. Yes one of the main complaints is that the screen is too small. After having it for a couple weeks now it is not too small it is a very usable and not overwhelming. The car is very comfortable so far
@@kgindpls coming from a 2012 Honda pilot I don't feel that the steering is loose. I feel that the steering wheel has less resistance, it's very soft to turn.
@@al151 We noticed the noise too. My wife said it felt like driving a truck compared to the Traverse or Ascent, which are her favorites. I thought it was fine, but she wasn't wrong, it definitely had more road noise and a firmer ride.
You forgot to mention that Honda dealers don’t have the delusion that Kia ones have about them being the new BMW which justifies their ripping off their customers by thousands of dollars, and I’m not talking about the current situation where many companies are doing it, but since that Tulleride came out. No thank you!
It's telluride's low production numbers and high demand caused it. Didn't happen to pilot or Honda dealership would have done the same. That's how dealerships are, try buying type r from anyone. I bought Kia stinger 5k below MSRP.
I think your last sentence clarifies your point, and/but yeah…I have a ‘23 CR-V Hybrid Sport (AWD) and totally got…I don’t wanna say ripped off cuz I like the car, certainly its above K\H quality and drive….But yeah I did kind of get ripped off.
I’m not surprised. Honda typically does really well with packaging and driver engagement. The Kia has some cooler tech but the Honda’s more flexible interior matters more in a family car and the better driving dynamics make a difference every time you drive. Throw in what will likely be better reliability and it’s an easy call.
@@eg7389for sure. As much as all the toys are great they will eventually break. For example those ventilated seats are $1500 to replace when they break and the Kia has FOUR. Makes it not worth it
@@mintchevvv1834 if they honour it. I know of one of their own dealership mechanics not getting his engine warrantied in less than 1 year of ownership no mods.
@@davewilson7602 The Kia has a far better and much longer warranty both in bumper-to-bumper and drivetrain..... no worries. Honda must not trust its own long term reliability with such a short warranty. And, the Honda is as boring inside as it gets..... diminutive screen in a big screen world.
If you are keeping the car for longer than 10 yrs or more than 100k miles, go with Honda. If you trade in your car every 4,5 years, Telluride may give you more luxury interior and new tech.
I have been a big Honda fan. I have bought two new and had them for 17 and 14 years. I went with the Kia for long term. The Pilot has had a lot of issues over the years.
The Telluride doesn't support wireless Android auto, where the Pilot does. So in my eyes, even though the Telluride looks much higher tech, for practical purposes, it falls short.
New Honda Pilot is just a little more reasonably priced for what it offers. I believe that it would’ve been neck and neck with the Telluride but at $ 55,000 and not counting dealer mark ups is just too much for a KIA.
Exactly my thoughts. Also the two have different target markets IMO for these trims. I'm sorry I'm not paying 50k and not getting it fully loaded. If honda made a Trailsport Elite version that would be one thing but this is not an apples to apples comparison against trims. I'm not getting a 3-row family SUV to ONLY drive offroad. I'll take the slightly higher price tag and way more creature comforts for long hauls and basic everyday commuting any day. This is coming from someone whose owned both a Passport Elite and now a Telluride SX-P X-Pro.
Whew! When he said the Pilot interior felt more luxurious, I felt like he was trolling me. Then he kept saying it and I knew for sure he was paid by Honda. I'm certain the Pilot is a great vehicle, but the interior of the Telluride is much, much nicer.
Seems like a Honda commercial- I test drove both and wasn’t wowed by the pilot, it felt Much less luxurious. Everytime he hit the gas in the pilot he said it was so quiet but all I heard was loud engine noise, weird. Both great options for sure
One thing, Kia and Hyundai bigger screens ( except for 8” ) don’t offer wireless CarPlay and Android Auto. May not be a big deal for some, but for me it’s a dealbreaker
I added wireless Carplay to my Kia Soul with a OTTOCAST Wireless Car Adapter. It probably takes 5-10 seconds longer to connect than a car that has wireless Carplay already.
Awesome review...awesome e comparison...totally agree with you. It's all about the drive for me and Honda has that. Major off road improvement for the Pilot.
That’s interesting - I test drove the Y before going with the telluride SX prestige. If you don’t mind me asking, what are some of the reasons your family prefer the telluride over the Y?
I've ridden in a Model Y once (as a Lyft passenger; it was a pretty new vehicle) and I absolutely hated it. The suspension seemed non-existent. I could feel every little bump in the road. And it was really excessively noisy on the inside. The Telluride, on the other hand, rides REALLY smoothly and is quiet as a library.
I would have to agree with your conclusion this new Honda pilot is truly great packaging and pricing. The cherry on top are the configurable second row seating
@@4thawenz Indeed it is not, however, consider the EX-L with your own set of off-road tyres . And I would guess there would be a way to get skidd plates ex factory. I would opt for a little more ex-factory work in exchange for the 8 seats.
@@kgindpls Yeah not sure what Honda was thinking of not including a sunroof with the EX-L. My guess is that they didn't even want to put a standard one in the Pilot at all. It was either Panoroof or nothing. I guess they're getting lazy on making a 2nd roof. Smh. What's next though? A Touring without a Panoroof now? Come on Honda give us more not less for our money. I'm asking for too much huh?
Great review. These are the exact models I wanted to compare. The Trailsport looks cooler than the elite and has the off-road capability vs the top end telluride is their off-road version.
Width between the wheel wells? Can you fit 2 dog boxes or a sheet of plywood inside (48")? Location of spare tire underneath vehicle or easy access inside vehicle? Lights that can be turned on manually? Door locks that can be unlocked manually?
just upgraded from my Honda Crosstour to the Honda Pilot Elite last month.I love it! my tall people fit perfectly in the 3rd row! I love how the 3rd row seats can recline back. If they chose to sit in the second row, the seats can slide back
A lot of people slept on the Honda Crosstour and it was truly underappreciated. I would say upgrading to the new Pilot might be one of the only ways to upgrade in the Honda line from the drive quality of the Crosstour V6.
Bad news. Third row is still tight. Best space belongs to Chevy Traverse. Cargo behind third row is even bigger than Grand Highlander. If you are going for Pilot vs Telluride, i think Telluride still offers more premium experience.
I'm 6'3" and the first time I sat in the Pilot I was immediately disappointed, because on paper the Pilot checks all the boxes. The seats are so low the only seat where my thighs touched the seat was in the power driver's seat. Even in the passenger seat my knees were in the air, and you have to go all the way up to the Elite to get height adjust in that seat. The other poster is right, despite what the specs say the Traverse feels significantly more spacious and comfortable because the seats are higher off the floor. Though even in the Traverse, there is no way I'd be reasonably comfortable in the 3rd row. It takes a minivan or full size SUV for that. Midsize third rows are for short people or short trips only, IMO.
@@apluspool34 I just read the reply and wonder what issues you had, mine has 105k and the only big item timing belt and water pump, scheduled maintenance after 100k but other than that it’s been a gem.
I have a 2005 Honda pilot 290,000 Miles still drives like new and kept it bought my wife a 2023 Honda Pilot she loves it it’s a fantastic SUV the best in its class V6 Naturally aspirated engine No turbo so the engine will last long till less stress on engine components for sure .
Great review and agree with your assessment. I test drove a Telluride a couple of years ago. I've also watched just about every review out there on the Telluride. I've driven the previous gen Pilot but not the '23 model yet. For me, the main reasons the Kia is such a hot seller are 1) It's exterior looks (it does stand out and some folks think their driving a Range Rover alternative!). 2) Kia does tech well and people are drawn to all the standard bells and whistles especially on the higher trims. 3) Outstanding interior room, especially in the second row and the interior design is attractive particularly the dash with the latest generation. 4) Longer standard warranty than competition and value (although since 2019 when it launched the top trim SX-PRO has jumped from $46k to low 50k's). Reasons we decided not to buy the Telluride. 1) Front seats are big and roomy but not particularly comfortable, could do with more cushion support in my opinion. I had just test driven a '22 Honda Pilot before the Kia and the seats were noticeably more comfortable in comparison no question for us anyway. 2) Although Kia did a great job making everything look like a luxury interior inside once we started touching the dash trim and some hard surfaces on the doors and around the console the materials for us felt cheap and plasticky. 3) After test driving, we thought it drove more like a minivan than the premium SUV it was aspiring to be! Not particularly engaging to drive like our sport feeling Mazda CX-9 but fine like a minivan. Overall, we came away feeling like it just looks more upscale than it really is, inside and out, for us didn't find the front seats as comfy as we'd like, and the driving experience was fine but again not even close to the driving dynamics of our Mazda. The Honda has its pluses and minuses too for me. Have to test drive it yet. The transmission with the new 10 speed seems to be smoother this year, I think mechanically and dynamically it's a better overall vehicle than the Kia if that matters. I'm not a mechanic but most reviews I've watched and read so far are leaning that way. It's also a fair assumption from the reviews I've watched that the Pilot is the more engaging driving experience but not as nimble or sporty as the Mazda CX-9 for reference. I'd also assume the seats are more comfortable in the Honda, and any reviews I've watched were impressed with the seat comfort. I think the Telluride is the more appealing vehicle to look at inside and out although the new Pilot is definitely an improvement over the minivan-like previous gen. The pilot would be more appealing with the bigger touchscreen found in the new accord. Also, Kia offers a better range of interior colors and for their "off-road" SX-PRO X LINE you don't have to settle for just black leather like in the Pilot. Lastly, if I was to buy the new Pilot and wanted the Trailsport Pilot I wish they had offered it like the Telluride as an add-on package instead of a trim. You could get the Elite Trailport trim then like the SX-PRO X LINE both about 55k and include features like the Bose speaker system, ventilated front seats, full digital instrument cluster, HUD, other interior color options. All these are not standard or an option on the Trailport.
Great analysis! definitely agree on how much the Kia telluride is above in customization. They had some great interior color options, as well as exterior. We have a 2019 pilot and I agree when we test drove back then the pilot was more comfortable seat wise. Another big selling point is the pilot has Apple/android wireless connect. I had to test drive the new Kia XPro to see.
You nailed it. For me, I need an Elite Trailsport, which they don't offer. And a hybrid engine would really push me over to Honda. As things stand, I'm waiting on the Grand Highlander as it checks most of the boxes for me, minus the off-road chops.
@@timgriffith2995 Thx. We're in the same boat. For us it's probably going to be the Pilot or new Grand Highlander. The Pilot's V6 with its smooth 10 speed is enticing. The Toyota's electrified 4 cylinder puts out big torque and HP numbers (2.4L Hybrid Max Engine) and looks like it will have the quickest acceleration of non-luxury 3-rows. Although the new CX-90 may be close too with its new in-line V6. I've watched some video reviews on Toyota's new Crown sedan with the Hybrid Max Engine and it looks impressive. Don't think it will sound as good as a V6 or in-line 6 and I've no idea how it's reliability will be. I think it will be late April or May before we see any on-line driving impressions from auto journalists. The Grand Highlander definitely looks better to my eye and offers more space and features than the current Highlander and it will be interesting to see how it drives in a couple of months.
@@kgindpls Appreciate that. For me, a couple of more interior color choices for the Trailsport trim along with front ventilated seats and the larger touchscreen from the new accord would be just about perfect at this price point. I could live without the HUD, premium sound system and full digital gauge cluster at 50k. But if they included all features from the Elite trim with more interior color choices for the Trailsport and offered it as an Elite Trailpsort trim I'd buy it at 55k (more of a direct competitor to Telluride SX-PRO X-LINE)
I think the rear taillights on the pilot looks very 80's and so does the dashboard. Honda hasn't been doing real well in the design department for years now.
The refreshed kia telluride is good but somehow the older model looks premium. May be the amber lights or I am not sure. New Honda Pilot is definitely better looking right now.
Honda really needs to offer a Hybrid Pilot. The fuel efficiency is not great for a 2023 model. It hasn't improved in 10 years. To meet future CAFE standards, it will have to hybridize the J35. Honda has said the new J35 will be EPA compliant until 2030. A 12.3" screen, and review-view monitor would also be necessary on the Elite.
Totally agree. I’ve got the same gas mileage on my 2015 Honda Pilot, 17 mpg city, close to 24 mpg highway. As much as I like updated look and tech in this 2023 model, it makes it a no go for me as an upgrade.
There was a shortage of Tellurides BEFORE Covid/2021. And now? Good luck getting one this year. So no wonder they've raised prices...dealers will sell their entire allotment no problem.
The Pilot is for people who like nice things because the appreciate the value it brings to them because the enjoy the day to day quality experience you get. The Kia is for people who like nice things for looks primarily and don’t appreciate the day to day quality experience but rather the day to day perception of their car by others. Both are good but in different ways and for different people.
Kia interior competes with Mercedes and Audi and feels luxurious… Honda interior is a joke and seats are thin and Cardbordy with and outdated small display screen… Other than looks of the Honda. It’s not worth 50k at all… Everything beats it… I test drive a trail sport one recently and wasn’t impress at all with the interior.. I would look at the Grand Highlander but Toyota dealers are crazy marking up their vehicles…
@@philipjacob2314 Pilot is not that reliable ahahaha The Pilot is one of their lease reliable offering from Honda. What was reliable was the civic and Accord. Nice try though In fact Mazada, Kia, Hyundai are leading those categories having warranties that are longer that any other brands 10 years 100k Honda feels cheap and plastic everywhere. I just test drive one it was a joke Now if your talking about Kia and Hyundai 10 years ago I would understand By the way everyone forgets Toyota were not reliable when they first enter the US market You get 10 years and 100k on a Kia or Hyundai and not pay 90k -150k for luxury cars like Mercedes or Audi features (which are money pits). That’s a major win !! You obviously didn’t test drive the competitor. It’s not even close
@@persaud101 I test drove pilot, grand highlander, palisade, mdx, q7 and a used x7. The palisade in mid trim was absolutely cheap rental car feeling with some nice screens. Palisade was trying to style like a bmw or other German car but felt hallow and cheap. German cars felt best for building quality followed by Acura and then Honda/Toyota. Hyundai had cheaper thinner body panels and interior parts. Easy to see where cost cutting went. The Hyundai has great design and improvements from 10 years ago but still inferior build quality. Reliability is ok on Hyundai and it’s a reasonably good car for a few years. Honda and Toyota has better durability and quality over Hyundai. Hyundai styles and designs well. Germans make high quality cars that require more expensive maintenance but are also decently durable if maintained well.
@@persaud101 I think Hyundai has different strengths than the Japanese but the quality and durability is not one of them. Genesis has great build quality though very different feeling from mainstream offerings that Hyundai has.
I used to work at a huge valet place while in college. We used to get 1000 cars per day and everything would roll in (from Hyundais to Bugattis). The one thing that we all agreed on was that Kia/Hyundai interiors looked the part, but felt unfinished. Like if you look at them in pictures… they are amazing, but everything feels like fisher price toys once you touched them. It was odd. Japanese vehicles on the other hand, looked plain and simplistic inside but everything felt like quality. Specially Honda and Toyota products. Even the sound the doors make when closing is quality. We also had a running joke “Kia/hyundais have the 100k mile warranty bc they need them”. I’m sure they’ve come a long way in the last 5 years, but the amount of Kia/hyundai vehicles we had with battery issues and, at least 1 with engine fire, was astounding. Like every single night we would jump start at least 3 Hyundais. To this day I don’t know why. Meanwhile, Accords and Camries even from the 90s were never an issue.
One major advantage Honda has over Kia: Engine fire risks do not go hand-in-hand with Honda cars. This is why Honda has a higher resale value. Look up Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis recalls and you will see the yearly recalls that occur from engine fires as per federal mandates.
@@cliffcarreviews the 4Runner could be a definite contender for us - haven’t looked at one in the last few years and maybe I should. Thanks for the heads up. We’re into the 3row market. We walked from a Telluride & got our depot returned after the dealer wanted a 5k “market adjustment”. 2 weeks later we find out there’s a new Pilot. We have a 2010 Pilot & find that we use the rear hatch window all the time.
No third row seat review which is what I was really looking for :( - but overall great review as always! I'm waiting for the Toyota grand highlander 24 review from you next.
Turn signals on my 2022 Telluride actually are where the 2023 are....I have an SX. The turn signals for lower trims on models prior to 2023 were in the bumper.
I am still not sure which one to get between pilot and palisade (twin of telluride) SEL premium. Palisade had slightly more leg room, roof vent and other creature comforts for passengers. Honda does offer many things over it but I would be driving BRZ daily, would probably get AWD EV for shorter trips (snowboarding, biking etc) nearby and 3rd pilot or palisade for road trips and when friends or family visit. So I am not concerned about handling and having fun as it would be covered by BRZ.
@@curiosityredpill7030 that inline 6 indeed is attractive but then again only reason I am getting larger vehicle is for space. I would still have 2 smaller cars, 2023 BRZ and 2019 stinger (or it's similar replacement) for most of the time. I am thinking about 2g sequoia instead of all of these due to width of 2nd row.
This review was near perfect. The only problem I have with this review and a lot of other reviews as well, is that when they show you how much room they have in the second row seats they don’t tell you how tall they are so you can get a better feel of how much room there actual is. Also they never tell you if the second row seats recline or not, or if they do they don’t show how much of a recline there getting, or whether the recline is more than the average automobile gets. Please include this small info in all your coming reviews. Other then that, awesome review. Thanks!!!
We'll keep that all in mind, thank you Peter. I'm 5'11" and the seats in both recline, maybe 10 degrees. There is usually no factory measurement for recline.
I watched a separate review and a 6'2' reviewer sat in the third row of the Honda Pilot and easily had 4" of space over his head. CarGuys has another review comparing the Teluride and the Hyundai Palisade and they do show sitting in the second and third rows.
A good comparison, if I am not wrong this the first comparison between these two cars for 2023, although I feel some bias against Kia in favor of Honda, specially in driving impressions
@@davewilson7602 I watched dozens of videos talking about smooth driving in Telluride and it is the best in its class. One of these videos on this channel. I don't own either of these cars, but I am looking for a fair opinion to make the right decision. The opposite opinion: th-cam.com/video/PoNRoL9Y_nc/w-d-xo.html
@@Omar-cb8og Not any more. I have watched the review you posted they said it was pretty even but if you want a vehicle that handle going off road get a Trailsport.
@@Omar-cb8og Something driving smoothly isn't the same as something being engaging to drive. For some people smooth is all they want but some people want a car that doesn't handle like a couch.
Was waiting for this video. Car gurus are tops to me for car reviewers. Particularly this gentleman. Wife has the 2023 palisade calligraphy, I’m looking at that SX Pro 😎
This is a confusing review. You say you prefer the panoramic moonroof and like the seats better in the Pilot, but then you say the moonroof is better in the Telluride and the seats feel better than the Pilot.
I have a 2022 telluride got lots of room love it but I like this Honda too , I went to one of the dealers can’t believe $51000 base price and they add $12000 , final price $63000 really speechless
@@ejohnson3131 I wish this is a make up story and this is reality that how Texas dealer do, the dealership is called Big Star Honda and right now I am still waiting for another dealer to give me the final price for Pilot Touring. Buy a new car in Texas is really crazy! FYI I did filed complaint to BBB because it is not right!
Well Kia/Hyundai do have a bad rep lol. They’re engines are absolute trash for example. And the all wheel drive system on the telluride cannot even compete with Honda’s. The Honda is more reliable, handles better, and is just better overall 🤷
@@Eliehbk They always look good in the CA redwoods with branches down and water coursing across the road. Its time to get my wife a new Pilot even though her 2014 only has 200 k.
I think the Pilot is a better choice, however the Trailsport lacks some options. For one, you can't get premium audio in the Trailsport. Charge me $500 for it! Second, all SUVs need a rearview camera.
That's how car review work great works thanks and someone please send or share this videos to Edmund's people they have to learn how to review cars thanks man
I'm really pissed in where I'm from the pilot is unavailable and the highlander is way overpriced. We want a midsize SUV (2 or 3 rows) that's very comfortable and quiet, and decently reliable to keep for 10 years or sth. What would you recommend?
Pilot is lack of many safety features that Telluride has, and that's what makes the price difference. Pilot looks outdated to me in many aspects. I still think Telluride values better. Both are good SUV though. Can't go wrong with either one.
Excellent review: KIA is pricing itself out of this category. KIA has a better warranty, however, I feel that Honda will have a higher resale value down the road. KIA dealers are marking these up ridiculously! In some markets by $5-$8K. This market will crash. KIA-you had a good thing going offering a great SUV for the price, and now you're getting greedy. Honda, nice job coming into the market priced fairly, offering a great SUV for the price. Would like to see better mpg for each. Good luck finding each at these close to M.S.R.P.
Every dealer is marking everything up. These cars are about as plain as cars get. They're not special or unique or rare. Not to mention, Kia already state it will be building sufficient cars so that there won't be any shortage like the past year. Even MSRP is a hefty profit. Anything more is just dealer gouging. Walk away.
I checked with one Honda dealership yesterday. The dealer was asking for $8,100 more on top of MSRP ($5,000 market adjustment + $3,100 dealer fit accessories).
Wrong! 2008-2013 Highlander has removeable middle seat. And it wasent as big and u didnt have to store in the back. Instead u store it underneath the driver arm rest. And u can swap it out for a cuo holder tray.
The honda is more quiet because of active noise cancelling and less engine vibration from adaptive engine mounts. Also, the numbers listed of storage space are the previous gen pilot. Otherwise, great overview. Thanks!
This reviewer clearly has a bias towards Honda and the review itself sounds almost like a Honda ad. It's funny how all comments agree with him as if everyone here actually drove both vehicles. I love the way my Telluride drives, and I will continue to believe it is the best in class until I actually have a chance to test drive the new Pilot.
I think the new telluride head lights look so bad. I have a 2020 SX headlights stand out in a crowd. All changes from 2020 are cosmetic. Get a older one if you can.
Great comparison: Of note, the reason why you felt the V6 was so much better in the Pilot over the old one is because it is indeed a brand-new engine. It went from a SOHC to DOHC design and that could explain why you felt the engine much smoother/less gritty due to it being much more relaxed. The Honda 10AT is a marvel of a transmission, which helps the vehicle to be more engaging and more refined to drive.
my 2017 pilot is super smooth...not sure what he was talking about with that.
This engine is a slug.... I drove it and it doesn't have nearly the real life feel of torque that you feel in the Telluride.... I floored both, and the Telluride will put you back in the seat.... the Honda speeds up slowly like a golf cart and has this weird 'whine' as the rpm's come back down..... very disconcerting.
@@BeverlyGill-l2x have to disagree and I’ve driven both
@@mcnater Everyone has their own preference..... I can tell you this: I test drove the Honda Pilot and hated it, but I have also found some disconcerting things about the Telluride:
Telluride has an OLD SCHOOL engine and transmission.... SERIOUSLY old school. Direct injection with NO PORT INJECTION to clean the valves of carbon buildup..... they also do NOT have hydraulic lifters, so you actually have to take the vehicle in to the shop to get the valves manually spaced/adjusted every so-many miles.... same type of thing I have to do to my lawn mower and my Generac generator.
They also have plastic oil filter mounts..... terrible design....and a future point of oil leaks as the plastic degrades.
I pulled the plug on my Telluride order..... this is NOT a long term engine/tranny setup.... and I am not going to be a guneia pig for Hyundai/ Loa again.... already have a Santa Fe Ultimate that is part of a class action lawsuit for the failure of 10's of thousands of bad 2.4 and 2.0 turbo engines.... just waiting for mine to implode.
@@BeverlyGill-l2x I frequent the F-150 forums and though direct injection carbon buildup was talked about a lot due to a few TH-camrs, nobody there has shown any actual problem caused by it. Ford sold millions of them before changing to a dual injector setup like my F-150, which has twice as many injectors that can fail. And injectors are kind of prone to failure, relatively speaking. Is that really a better solution? I'm not convinced.
The valves, yeah, I was really surprised to hear that. I haven't had to adjust valves in decades.
We have a 2023 Honda pilot trail sport and it is a very nice vehicle. Yes one of the main complaints is that the screen is too small. After having it for a couple weeks now it is not too small it is a very usable and not overwhelming. The car is very comfortable so far
Don’t you think the steering is a little bit loose? But definitely not a dealbreaker. Still drives really nice.
@@kgindpls coming from a 2012 Honda pilot I don't feel that the steering is loose. I feel that the steering wheel has less resistance, it's very soft to turn.
Lots of road noise and the Elite model doesn’t offer blueray player anymore.
@@al151 We noticed the noise too. My wife said it felt like driving a truck compared to the Traverse or Ascent, which are her favorites. I thought it was fine, but she wasn't wrong, it definitely had more road noise and a firmer ride.
@@al151 Coming from a Jeep Grand Cherokee, my 2024 Pilot Trailsport seems much quieter (I had the same tires on the GC).
You forgot to mention that Honda dealers don’t have the delusion that Kia ones have about them being the new BMW which justifies their ripping off their customers by thousands of dollars, and I’m not talking about the current situation where many companies are doing it, but since that Tulleride came out. No thank you!
Cry some more. Dealers do that because people are stupid enough to pay it.
This is area dependent because every Honda dealer in my area are the absolute worst.
Kia and Hyundai are notorious for mark ups, and it’s been that way for a few years. 🤦🏼♂️ I’d pick the Honda any day.
It's telluride's low production numbers and high demand caused it. Didn't happen to pilot or Honda dealership would have done the same. That's how dealerships are, try buying type r from anyone. I bought Kia stinger 5k below MSRP.
I think your last sentence clarifies your point, and/but yeah…I have a ‘23 CR-V Hybrid Sport (AWD) and totally got…I don’t wanna say ripped off cuz I like the car, certainly its above K\H quality and drive….But yeah I did kind of get ripped off.
I’m not surprised. Honda typically does really well with packaging and driver engagement. The Kia has some cooler tech but the Honda’s more flexible interior matters more in a family car and the better driving dynamics make a difference every time you drive. Throw in what will likely be better reliability and it’s an easy call.
With the Honda, not so much tech that will fail and cost a fortune to repair after warranty ends.
@@eg7389for sure. As much as all the toys are great they will eventually break. For example those ventilated seats are $1500 to replace when they break and the Kia has FOUR. Makes it not worth it
The Kia has a way longer warranty, doesn’t make sense what you’re saying
@@mintchevvv1834 if they honour it. I know of one of their own dealership mechanics not getting his engine warrantied in less than 1 year of ownership no mods.
@@davewilson7602 The Kia has a far better and much longer warranty both in bumper-to-bumper and drivetrain..... no worries. Honda must not trust its own long term reliability with such a short warranty. And, the Honda is as boring inside as it gets..... diminutive screen in a big screen world.
If you are keeping the car for longer than 10 yrs or more than 100k miles, go with Honda. If you trade in your car every 4,5 years, Telluride may give you more luxury interior and new tech.
Uh wrong
Bingo!
That’s a lazy take. And highly subjective considering the Telluride has only existed for 3 years.
I have been a big Honda fan. I have bought two new and had them for 17 and 14 years. I went with the Kia for long term. The Pilot has had a lot of issues over the years.
Kia != luxury... at all..
I liked how you put them side to side and put the specs of them on top, it's so easier to compare
And what about his dual matching sweater? How many points you give him for that?
I totally agree.
Beautiful editing for sure. Well done!
The Telluride doesn't support wireless Android auto, where the Pilot does. So in my eyes, even though the Telluride looks much higher tech, for practical purposes, it falls short.
New Honda Pilot is just a little more reasonably priced for what it offers. I believe that it would’ve been neck and neck with the Telluride but at $ 55,000 and not counting dealer mark ups is just too much for a KIA.
Similarly equipped telluride is cheaper than pilot.
Cx90 I would say maybe a complete better choice
@@curiosityredpill7030 definitely in most cases but smaller and not as off-road capable
Yes, this isn’t a true apples to apples comparison. You could get an EX loaded up or an SX prestige at a really good price.
@@curiosityredpill7030 Maybe if you are comparing driving dynamics and power, but not offroad comparison.
Feels like a Honda commercial. I've owned both as family cars and both were very nice.
Not just me then.
yeah this felt sponsored by honda
Exactly my thoughts. Also the two have different target markets IMO for these trims. I'm sorry I'm not paying 50k and not getting it fully loaded. If honda made a Trailsport Elite version that would be one thing but this is not an apples to apples comparison against trims. I'm not getting a 3-row family SUV to ONLY drive offroad. I'll take the slightly higher price tag and way more creature comforts for long hauls and basic everyday commuting any day. This is coming from someone whose owned both a Passport Elite and now a Telluride SX-P X-Pro.
Whew! When he said the Pilot interior felt more luxurious, I felt like he was trolling me. Then he kept saying it and I knew for sure he was paid by Honda. I'm certain the Pilot is a great vehicle, but the interior of the Telluride is much, much nicer.
No mention or review of 3rd row seating?
Seems like a Honda commercial- I test drove both and wasn’t wowed by the pilot, it felt
Much less luxurious. Everytime he hit the gas in the pilot he said it was so quiet but all I heard was loud engine noise, weird. Both great options for sure
One thing, Kia and Hyundai bigger screens ( except for 8” ) don’t offer wireless CarPlay and Android Auto. May not be a big deal for some, but for me it’s a dealbreaker
If a car offers wireless charge but no wireless CarPlay that should be a crime.
I added wireless Carplay to my Kia Soul with a OTTOCAST Wireless Car Adapter. It probably takes 5-10 seconds longer to connect than a car that has wireless Carplay already.
Wire connection is a big deal for you ? Wow
You can buy a wireless adapter USB dongle for under $100. I have the Motorola one in my pickup and it works fine.
Uh...my 2024 kia telluride has android auto/apple car play bud......also wireless charging
I like the trail sport a lot but I would want it fully loaded, they should make a elite trail sport
Awesome review...awesome e comparison...totally agree with you. It's all about the drive for me and Honda has that. Major off road improvement for the Pilot.
I believe the Honda Pilot will be a better SUV long term even though the Telluride isn't a bad option at all.
People need to get over the superiority of Honda. When other imports sucked yes but today it's different.
@@grooveuniverse true, the KIA has a longer warranty and both V6 engines are based on reliable hardware.
Had a Kia for 10 years and my mechanic thanked me personally he said thanks to my car he managed to build a a second level on his house 😅
@@SethPinnock they’re v6 are reliable. I had a Kia cadenza and it treated me very well. Not as refined as my v6 in my Acura though
The Pilot will be a better suv ten times out of ten
I own a Tesla Model y and a Kia Telluride. My wife and two daughters love the Kia Telluride even more.
That’s interesting - I test drove the Y before going with the telluride SX prestige. If you don’t mind me asking, what are some of the reasons your family prefer the telluride over the Y?
@@playnamz78 probably higher quality better reliability and better tech
I've ridden in a Model Y once (as a Lyft passenger; it was a pretty new vehicle) and I absolutely hated it. The suspension seemed non-existent. I could feel every little bump in the road. And it was really excessively noisy on the inside. The Telluride, on the other hand, rides REALLY smoothly and is quiet as a library.
Not saying much, Tesla has terrible build quality and is NOT a luxury car. 🤷♂️
Stop comparing the model Y to the Telluride, not the same in any way for it to be compared.
I would have to agree with your conclusion this new Honda pilot is truly great packaging and pricing. The cherry on top are the configurable second row seating
The configurable 2nd row seating is not available on the TrailSport trim level.
@@4thawenz Indeed it is not, however, consider the EX-L with your own set of off-road tyres . And I would guess there would be a way to get skidd plates ex factory. I would opt for a little more ex-factory work in exchange for the 8 seats.
@@SethPinnock no moonroof at all on EX-L
@@kgindpls Yeah not sure what Honda was thinking of not including a sunroof with the EX-L. My guess is that they didn't even want to put a standard one in the Pilot at all. It was either Panoroof or nothing. I guess they're getting lazy on making a 2nd roof. Smh. What's next though? A Touring without a Panoroof now? Come on Honda give us more not less for our money. I'm asking for too much huh?
Great review. These are the exact models I wanted to compare. The Trailsport looks cooler than the elite and has the off-road capability vs the top end telluride is their off-road version.
Ended up getting the TrailSport. No regrets
@@b4wf awesome ! Super happy for you! What color did you get?
Neither of these are true off-road capable. They just look like it on the outside.
@@Lifeneverlost got the Sonic grey
Very nice video! Straightforward and clear, the review is very fair! Great image quality and camera movement too! I love that
The Midnight Lake Blue on the Telluride 👌🏿
This is a fantastic comparison. Thank you. The first I've watched on this channel.
Even in a recession dealer ‘markups’ are legendary.
Very good review. I'll choose the Telluride plus KIA's 10 year powertrain warranty is unbeatable.
It makes no sense that the Accord can be equipped with a larger screen than the Pilot.
And digital gauges.
Give it 2 yrs, pilot gets the bigger screen
gives the pilot a mid cycle refresh.
@@bikin2008 And then they introduce the new i4 turbo engine just like in the Highlander.
Carmakers do some weird stuff, don't they?
Width between the wheel wells? Can you fit 2 dog boxes or a sheet of plywood inside (48")?
Location of spare tire underneath vehicle or easy access inside vehicle?
Lights that can be turned on manually? Door locks that can be unlocked manually?
just upgraded from my Honda Crosstour to the Honda Pilot Elite last month.I love it! my tall people fit perfectly in the 3rd row! I love how the 3rd row seats can recline back. If they chose to sit in the second row, the seats can slide back
A lot of people slept on the Honda Crosstour and it was truly underappreciated. I would say upgrading to the new Pilot might be one of the only ways to upgrade in the Honda line from the drive quality of the Crosstour V6.
Lets not exaggerate. No 3rd row will comfortably seat a six footer even in a full-size SUV. Short trips maybe.
Bad news. Third row is still tight. Best space belongs to Chevy Traverse. Cargo behind third row is even bigger than Grand Highlander. If you are going for Pilot vs Telluride, i think Telluride still offers more premium experience.
Good choice. At least you didn’t get a KIA/Hyundai 😂👍
I'm 6'3" and the first time I sat in the Pilot I was immediately disappointed, because on paper the Pilot checks all the boxes. The seats are so low the only seat where my thighs touched the seat was in the power driver's seat. Even in the passenger seat my knees were in the air, and you have to go all the way up to the Elite to get height adjust in that seat. The other poster is right, despite what the specs say the Traverse feels significantly more spacious and comfortable because the seats are higher off the floor. Though even in the Traverse, there is no way I'd be reasonably comfortable in the 3rd row. It takes a minivan or full size SUV for that. Midsize third rows are for short people or short trips only, IMO.
The honda with the kia infotainment is the sweet spot.
For the Trailsport trim It needs at least 9.5” of ground clearance, 25 degree approach and departure angles, and real recovery points.
One of the best off road vehicles is the gx460 with 8.1” ground clearance
This reviewer did a phenomenal job! I don't think he missed anything. Really well done. And his camo sweater had both blues lol
Own a 2012 Honda Pilot and still going strong, I’ll take Honda over most brands any day.
We just got rid of our 2012 Honda pilot for a new trail sport. We had a fair amount of issues with the 2012 but it went $170,000 miles for us.
@@apluspool34 I just read the reply and wonder what issues you had, mine has 105k and the only big item timing belt and water pump, scheduled maintenance after 100k but other than that it’s been a gem.
@@freddyvazquez2865 One week after owning we had the transmission go out. I put three alternators one starter in various other little items.
I have a 2005 Honda pilot 290,000 Miles still drives like new and kept it bought my wife a 2023 Honda Pilot she loves it it’s a fantastic SUV the best in its class V6 Naturally aspirated engine No turbo so the engine will last long till less stress on engine components for sure .
Really like your info and comparison, and on top of that, how you present it. Please compare or review Mazda CX90 when available.
Great review and agree with your assessment. I test drove a Telluride a couple of years ago. I've also watched just about every review out there on the Telluride. I've driven the previous gen Pilot but not the '23 model yet. For me, the main reasons the Kia is such a hot seller are 1) It's exterior looks (it does stand out and some folks think their driving a Range Rover alternative!). 2) Kia does tech well and people are drawn to all the standard bells and whistles especially on the higher trims. 3) Outstanding interior room, especially in the second row and the interior design is attractive particularly the dash with the latest generation. 4) Longer standard warranty than competition and value (although since 2019 when it launched the top trim SX-PRO has jumped from $46k to low 50k's).
Reasons we decided not to buy the Telluride. 1) Front seats are big and roomy but not particularly comfortable, could do with more cushion support in my opinion. I had just test driven a '22 Honda Pilot before the Kia and the seats were noticeably more comfortable in comparison no question for us anyway. 2) Although Kia did a great job making everything look like a luxury interior inside once we started touching the dash trim and some hard surfaces on the doors and around the console the materials for us felt cheap and plasticky. 3) After test driving, we thought it drove more like a minivan than the premium SUV it was aspiring to be! Not particularly engaging to drive like our sport feeling Mazda CX-9 but fine like a minivan. Overall, we came away feeling like it just looks more upscale than it really is, inside and out, for us didn't find the front seats as comfy as we'd like, and the driving experience was fine but again not even close to the driving dynamics of our Mazda.
The Honda has its pluses and minuses too for me. Have to test drive it yet. The transmission with the new 10 speed seems to be smoother this year, I think mechanically and dynamically it's a better overall vehicle than the Kia if that matters. I'm not a mechanic but most reviews I've watched and read so far are leaning that way. It's also a fair assumption from the reviews I've watched that the Pilot is the more engaging driving experience but not as nimble or sporty as the Mazda CX-9 for reference. I'd also assume the seats are more comfortable in the Honda, and any reviews I've watched were impressed with the seat comfort. I think the Telluride is the more appealing vehicle to look at inside and out although the new Pilot is definitely an improvement over the minivan-like previous gen. The pilot would be more appealing with the bigger touchscreen found in the new accord. Also, Kia offers a better range of interior colors and for their "off-road" SX-PRO X LINE you don't have to settle for just black leather like in the Pilot.
Lastly, if I was to buy the new Pilot and wanted the Trailsport Pilot I wish they had offered it like the Telluride as an add-on package instead of a trim. You could get the Elite Trailport trim then like the SX-PRO X LINE both about 55k and include features like the Bose speaker system, ventilated front seats, full digital instrument cluster, HUD, other interior color options. All these are not standard or an option on the Trailport.
Great analysis! definitely agree on how much the Kia telluride is above in customization. They had some great interior color options, as well as exterior. We have a 2019 pilot and I agree when we test drove back then the pilot was more comfortable seat wise. Another big selling point is the pilot has Apple/android wireless connect. I had to test drive the new Kia XPro to see.
You nailed it. For me, I need an Elite Trailsport, which they don't offer. And a hybrid engine would really push me over to Honda. As things stand, I'm waiting on the Grand Highlander as it checks most of the boxes for me, minus the off-road chops.
@@timgriffith2995 Thx. We're in the same boat. For us it's probably going to be the Pilot or new Grand Highlander. The Pilot's V6 with its smooth 10 speed is enticing. The Toyota's electrified 4 cylinder puts out big torque and HP numbers (2.4L Hybrid Max Engine) and looks like it will have the quickest acceleration of non-luxury 3-rows. Although the new CX-90 may be close too with its new in-line V6. I've watched some video reviews on Toyota's new Crown sedan with the Hybrid Max Engine and it looks impressive. Don't think it will sound as good as a V6 or in-line 6 and I've no idea how it's reliability will be. I think it will be late April or May before we see any on-line driving impressions from auto journalists. The Grand Highlander definitely looks better to my eye and offers more space and features than the current Highlander and it will be interesting to see how it drives in a couple of months.
@@kgindpls Appreciate that. For me, a couple of more interior color choices for the Trailsport trim along with front ventilated seats and the larger touchscreen from the new accord would be just about perfect at this price point. I could live without the HUD, premium sound system and full digital gauge cluster at 50k. But if they included all features from the Elite trim with more interior color choices for the Trailsport and offered it as an Elite Trailpsort trim I'd buy it at 55k (more of a direct competitor to Telluride SX-PRO X-LINE)
I think the rear taillights on the pilot looks very 80's and so does the dashboard. Honda hasn't been doing real well in the design department for years now.
The refreshed kia telluride is good but somehow the older model looks premium. May be the amber lights or I am not sure.
New Honda Pilot is definitely better looking right now.
"The refreshed kia telluride is good but somehow the older model looks premium."
Its the grill. It looked better on the old one.
How tall are you? just for referring to the size of cars
Honda really needs to offer a Hybrid Pilot. The fuel efficiency is not great for a 2023 model. It hasn't improved in 10 years. To meet future CAFE standards, it will have to hybridize the J35. Honda has said the new J35 will be EPA compliant until 2030. A 12.3" screen, and review-view monitor would also be necessary on the Elite.
Bigger screen will definitely come when they refresh it, hybrid id guess will also come at some point but maybe only in the passport
Totally agree. I’ve got the same gas mileage on my 2015 Honda Pilot, 17 mpg city, close to 24 mpg highway. As much as I like updated look and tech in this 2023 model, it makes it a no go for me as an upgrade.
Insane that both of these get about the same mileage as a Ford Expedition 3.5 Ecoboost.
What does EPA compliant by 2030 mean?
@@Jose-sy1je it means it will meet US emission standards in 2030 as they are getting stricter then
I just bought the Elite, and traded in my 2014 Pilot. Couldn’t be happier 🎉
Did you have any issues with excess oil consumption, or transmission problems with your 2014?
There was a shortage of Tellurides BEFORE Covid/2021. And now? Good luck getting one this year. So no wonder they've raised prices...dealers will sell their entire allotment no problem.
Team Pilot!!!
The Pilot is for people who like nice things because the appreciate the value it brings to them because the enjoy the day to day quality experience you get. The Kia is for people who like nice things for looks primarily and don’t appreciate the day to day quality experience but rather the day to day perception of their car by others. Both are good but in different ways and for different people.
Kia interior competes with Mercedes and Audi and feels luxurious…
Honda interior is a joke and seats are thin and Cardbordy with and outdated small display screen…
Other than looks of the Honda. It’s not worth 50k at all… Everything beats it… I test drive a trail sport one recently and wasn’t impress at all with the interior..
I would look at the Grand Highlander but Toyota dealers are crazy marking up their vehicles…
@@persaud101 lmao Kia/Hyundai is the new Chrysler from the 2000s. They look nice but not the best quality. Wanna be Mercedes minus the quality
@@philipjacob2314 Pilot is not that reliable ahahaha The Pilot is one of their lease reliable offering from Honda. What was reliable was the civic and Accord. Nice try though
In fact Mazada, Kia, Hyundai are leading those categories having warranties that are longer that any other brands 10 years 100k
Honda feels cheap and plastic everywhere. I just test drive one it was a joke
Now if your talking about Kia and Hyundai 10 years ago I would understand
By the way everyone forgets Toyota were not reliable when they first enter the US market
You get 10 years and 100k on a Kia or Hyundai and not pay 90k -150k for luxury cars like Mercedes or Audi features (which are money pits). That’s a major win !!
You obviously didn’t test drive the competitor. It’s not even close
@@persaud101 I test drove pilot, grand highlander, palisade, mdx, q7 and a used x7. The palisade in mid trim was absolutely cheap rental car feeling with some nice screens. Palisade was trying to style like a bmw or other German car but felt hallow and cheap. German cars felt best for building quality followed by Acura and then Honda/Toyota. Hyundai had cheaper thinner body panels and interior parts. Easy to see where cost cutting went. The Hyundai has great design and improvements from 10 years ago but still inferior build quality. Reliability is ok on Hyundai and it’s a reasonably good car for a few years. Honda and Toyota has better durability and quality over Hyundai. Hyundai styles and designs well. Germans make high quality cars that require more expensive maintenance but are also decently durable if maintained well.
@@persaud101 I think Hyundai has different strengths than the Japanese but the quality and durability is not one of them. Genesis has great build quality though very different feeling from mainstream offerings that Hyundai has.
It would be better to compare the Elite to the Prestige. Are you going to take the Prestige off road? It was a great video for what you had access to.
Aren't these both the off-road variants in the video
I used to work at a huge valet place while in college. We used to get 1000 cars per day and everything would roll in (from Hyundais to Bugattis). The one thing that we all agreed on was that Kia/Hyundai interiors looked the part, but felt unfinished. Like if you look at them in pictures… they are amazing, but everything feels like fisher price toys once you touched them. It was odd. Japanese vehicles on the other hand, looked plain and simplistic inside but everything felt like quality. Specially Honda and Toyota products. Even the sound the doors make when closing is quality. We also had a running joke “Kia/hyundais have the 100k mile warranty bc they need them”. I’m sure they’ve come a long way in the last 5 years, but the amount of Kia/hyundai vehicles we had with battery issues and, at least 1 with engine fire, was astounding. Like every single night we would jump start at least 3 Hyundais. To this day I don’t know why. Meanwhile, Accords and Camries even from the 90s were never an issue.
One major advantage Honda has over Kia: Engine fire risks do not go hand-in-hand with Honda cars. This is why Honda has a higher resale value.
Look up Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis recalls and you will see the yearly recalls that occur from engine fires as per federal mandates.
Ordered a Trailsport a few weeks ago. Have acres so it will come in handy.
Nice comparison.
Would like to see a manufacturer that can have a rear hatch window that opens. Would be super handy.
The Toyota 4Runner has a power hatch window, but usually this is reserved for full-size American SUVs like the Expedition and Tahoe.
@@cliffcarreviews the 4Runner could be a definite contender for us - haven’t looked at one in the last few years and maybe I should. Thanks for the heads up. We’re into the 3row market. We walked from a Telluride & got our depot returned after the dealer wanted a 5k “market adjustment”. 2 weeks later we find out there’s a new Pilot. We have a 2010 Pilot & find that we use the rear hatch window all the time.
Lexus gx460
No third row seat review which is what I was really looking for :( - but overall great review as always! I'm waiting for the Toyota grand highlander 24 review from you next.
Yes kind of an important thing to skip in a three row SUV I would say. Raiti's Rides channel does good interior reviews.
Can’t go wrong with either. Both cars are awesome. Whichever one you can get a better price on
Except one will need a few engines before 100k miles
@@Windsofchange2023the v6 is based on reliable hardware so wrong
@@Windsofchange2023 wrong kid.
So... you compared the highest model of Telluride to a lower version of the Pilot?
Turn signals on my 2022 Telluride actually are where the 2023 are....I have an SX. The turn signals for lower trims on models prior to 2023 were in the bumper.
Honda: we got you now Telluride.
KIA TELLURIDE:congrats, let me introduce you to my new cousin.
KIA EV9: how’s it going.
Honda:😐
Will the Kia last as long as a 4runner?
Def agree. Great comparison. How do you guys talk so clearly without messing up.
Could editing and several several takes
Honda didn’t improve the V-6 engine. It is a completely new engine. No more VTEC and dual overhead cams.
*it went from SOHC to DOHC.
Enjoyed your analysis sir. Thank you
I am still not sure which one to get between pilot and palisade (twin of telluride) SEL premium. Palisade had slightly more leg room, roof vent and other creature comforts for passengers. Honda does offer many things over it but I would be driving BRZ daily, would probably get AWD EV for shorter trips (snowboarding, biking etc) nearby and 3rd pilot or palisade for road trips and when friends or family visit. So I am not concerned about handling and having fun as it would be covered by BRZ.
Palisade
Cx-90,grand Highlander
@@curiosityredpill7030 cx-90 is smaller. GH does look promising, so going to test one that out too.
@@ruturaj47 in-line 6
@@curiosityredpill7030 that inline 6 indeed is attractive but then again only reason I am getting larger vehicle is for space. I would still have 2 smaller cars, 2023 BRZ and 2019 stinger (or it's similar replacement) for most of the time. I am thinking about 2g sequoia instead of all of these due to width of 2nd row.
This review was near perfect. The only problem I have with this review and a lot of other reviews as well, is that when they show you how much room they have in the second row seats they don’t tell you how tall they are so you can get a better feel of how much room there actual is. Also they never tell you if the second row seats recline or not, or if they do they don’t show how much of a recline there getting, or whether the recline is more than the average automobile gets. Please include this small info in all your coming reviews. Other then that, awesome review. Thanks!!!
We'll keep that all in mind, thank you Peter. I'm 5'11" and the seats in both recline, maybe 10 degrees. There is usually no factory measurement for recline.
@@cliffcarreviews thanks!!!
Every car reviewer is 6 feet tall (except redline reviews and Micah from kbb).
yes, i would love to see more extensive focus and discussion on second row and third row seat comfort from cargurus!
I watched a separate review and a 6'2' reviewer sat in the third row of the Honda Pilot and easily had 4" of space over his head. CarGuys has another review comparing the Teluride and the Hyundai Palisade and they do show sitting in the second and third rows.
100% my money will go to the Pilot. Best AWD system in the world. Fine quality and V6.
Best AWD system?
In the world?😂😂…I want some of what ever you are smoking
Hahahaha best AWD system in the world? 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂 No
A good comparison, if I am not wrong this the first comparison between these two cars for 2023, although I feel some bias against Kia in favor of Honda, specially in driving impressions
I’ve driven both. Honda definitely drives with more engagement, although I can’t say he doesn’t have bias. That part at least is right though
@@davewilson7602 I watched dozens of videos talking about smooth driving in Telluride and it is the best in its class. One of these videos on this channel. I don't own either of these cars, but I am looking for a fair opinion to make the right decision.
The opposite opinion: th-cam.com/video/PoNRoL9Y_nc/w-d-xo.html
@@Omar-cb8og it drives very smoothly, but it handles more like a Buick if that makes sense? It’s very soft and cushy if that’s what you’re looking for
@@Omar-cb8og Not any more. I have watched the review you posted they said it was pretty even but if you want a vehicle that handle going off road get a Trailsport.
@@Omar-cb8og Something driving smoothly isn't the same as something being engaging to drive. For some people smooth is all they want but some people want a car that doesn't handle like a couch.
Was waiting for this video. Car gurus are tops to me for car reviewers. Particularly this gentleman. Wife has the 2023 palisade calligraphy, I’m looking at that SX Pro 😎
Honda pilot for me all day!
This is a confusing review. You say you prefer the panoramic moonroof and like the seats better in the Pilot, but then you say the moonroof is better in the Telluride and the seats feel better than the Pilot.
Just love the styling of the Telluride!!!!
Not surprised Honda won. Nothing lasts forever, including the Telluride's run. Looking forward to the revamped Telluride in a couple of years
My expedition is still running and so is my 91 Mustang
I have a 2022 telluride got lots of room love it but I like this Honda too , I went to one of the dealers can’t believe $51000 base price and they add $12000 , final price $63000 really speechless
You’re making that up!
@@ejohnson3131 I wish this is a make up story and this is reality that how Texas dealer do, the dealership is called Big Star Honda and right now I am still waiting for another dealer to give me the final price for Pilot Touring. Buy a new car in Texas is really crazy! FYI I did filed complaint to BBB because it is not right!
@@libbysheets9449 yeah, thats not right! $12,000 markup? That’s insane!
What model were looking at?
@Squid Usn finally I purchased a white touring of course add on around $5000
A mechanical speedo would be nice if the screens go out you could drive to a dealer skip the tow truck
Can you do the grand highlander vs Honda pilot
Pilot interior is more premium than telluride? This is the first of dozens reviews taking that position.
In terms of material quality, yes. Design, no.
they must be on a bomb one to think that honda is nicer .
Should be 38 to 43 k max. Stuck with black interior too
Car Gurus ALWAYS biased against kia Hyundai. They could be testing a freaking YUGO, against this Telluride, and pick the YUGO for the win!! Lol.
This is Honda commercial
Japanese money
Go check out savagegeese review of the pilot
Well Kia/Hyundai do have a bad rep lol. They’re engines are absolute trash for example. And the all wheel drive system on the telluride cannot even compete with Honda’s. The Honda is more reliable, handles better, and is just better overall 🤷
The Telluride looks so much better
I've seen people with the Pilot here in NYC it looks a bit frumpy and old already
I live in NYC as well and seen few, funny, I thought the same as you!
@@Eliehbk They always look good in the CA redwoods with branches down and water coursing across the road. Its time to get my wife a new Pilot even though her 2014 only has 200 k.
I think the Pilot is a better choice, however the Trailsport lacks some options. For one, you can't get premium audio in the Trailsport. Charge me $500 for it! Second, all SUVs need a rearview camera.
If it’s any consolation, the base audio in the pilots is pretty good to my ear. That said, 50k and they can’t give you Bose???
Agreed. Would be nice to get premium audio and heated 2nd row seats in the Trailsport trim.
Excellent review!
Thank you
👍👍👍👍👍
That's how car review work great works thanks and someone please send or share this videos to Edmund's people they have to learn how to review cars thanks man
Great review
Great review on both vehicles.
Honda does not give more behind the 2nd row, the seats go back more on telluride which is a pro.
I'd take the Honda.
But the KIA is still the best looking in the class.
Especially inside. A full class above Honda.
Not with that new grill.
I'm really pissed in where I'm from the pilot is unavailable and the highlander is way overpriced.
We want a midsize SUV (2 or 3 rows) that's very comfortable and quiet, and decently reliable to keep for 10 years or sth. What would you recommend?
Travel for it.
Acura RDX? Not 100% sure about the reliability and I don't know if you want a luxury brand.
@Bryan Alvarado I could get an RDX but it has zero support, and I'd have to order parts from other countries if I ever find myself needing one.
@@zhiyako4032 Oh okay. I did not know that. Toyota Venza/Harrier?
Just brought a 2023 pilot elite love it!! Would definitely recommend it!! 🥰
Pilot is lack of many safety features that Telluride has, and that's what makes the price difference. Pilot looks outdated to me in many aspects. I still think Telluride values better. Both are good SUV though. Can't go wrong with either one.
Great video review!
pilot. anytime. anyday. can’t beat that i-vtm4.
75% of the torque can go to the rear in the trailsport. the rest of the pilots with awd can send 70% rear.
Why not 100% instead?
Kia telluride is better but the pilot is the safest most pragmatic bet
But both are so much better than the upcoming grand highlander
Great review & content! Thanks for sharing.
Billy D
Good for Honda. Now all competitors will have to make their SUV better1
Either one is a great choice for long term joy and reliability.
Easy win for the Pilot, best three row SUV out there.
Excellent review: KIA is pricing itself out of this category. KIA has a better warranty, however, I feel that Honda will have a higher resale value down the road. KIA dealers are marking these up ridiculously! In some markets by $5-$8K. This market will crash. KIA-you had a good thing going offering a great SUV for the price, and now you're getting greedy. Honda, nice job coming into the market priced fairly, offering a great SUV for the price. Would like to see better mpg for each. Good luck finding each at these close to M.S.R.P.
Every dealer is marking everything up. These cars are about as plain as cars get. They're not special or unique or rare. Not to mention, Kia already state it will be building sufficient cars so that there won't be any shortage like the past year. Even MSRP is a hefty profit. Anything more is just dealer gouging. Walk away.
I checked with one Honda dealership yesterday. The dealer was asking for $8,100 more on top of MSRP ($5,000 market adjustment + $3,100 dealer fit accessories).
It's not F Kia it's the dealer u dummy
I had 2 honda for 15 years and not going back to them. Maybe I was not luck but had too much problems in addition to poor ride quality.
Wrong! 2008-2013 Highlander has removeable middle seat. And it wasent as big and u didnt have to store in the back. Instead u store it underneath the driver arm rest. And u can swap it out for a cuo holder tray.
The honda is more quiet because of active noise cancelling and less engine vibration from adaptive engine mounts. Also, the numbers listed of storage space are the previous gen pilot. Otherwise, great overview. Thanks!
Appreciated the info concerning the new Pilot but the review felt pretty Honda biased 😂. Both are nice in their own way
Good review 👍
This reviewer clearly has a bias towards Honda and the review itself sounds almost like a Honda ad. It's funny how all comments agree with him as if everyone here actually drove both vehicles. I love the way my Telluride drives, and I will continue to believe it is the best in class until I actually have a chance to test drive the new Pilot.
Good luck getting the Kia for anywhere near the MSRP. The Kia dealer near me charge 20,000 mark up.
You need to compare the stereos which is something almost everyone uses everyday, the off road stuff will seldom or never be used.
Why would ANYONE who is buying a Trailsport care more about the sound system than the off road stuff? Sounds like a rhinestone cowboy talking.
I think the new telluride head lights look so bad. I have a 2020 SX headlights stand out in a crowd. All changes from 2020 are cosmetic. Get a older one if you can.
Kia should have put the Stinger engine (3.3L twin turbo V6) in the Telluride X-Pro