THE BEST REVIEW YET!!! I have seen a lot of CF Moto 450 MT videos and reviews and this is hands down the best, most comprehensive review yet. Well done.
Yes, I'm kinda crossing that thought myself. Something in the garage has to go but I fall in love with them and can't. My wife says not one more. Hmmm. Decisions. But yes this is a great one. But then again the Himilayan is also so good. This is finally a wonderful time for small adventure. Great to hear from you.
Ian, it will be interesting to see your opinion on this bike, I own a Tuareg and on paper it doesn't look like enough weight savings to justify and you lose cruise control but for the money it seems really tempting....
As a 22 year old rider, I appreciate your comments about price accessibility. I think one of the reasons why there's so few young people in this niche is that it seems so expensive from the outside. Those of us who are already into it know that it can be done cheaply but on the surface all you see are these $15k+ bikes with an additional $5k in luggage and farkles.
@@tuanoful No issues at all, I went to change the air filter after 5000kms in the dirt and the airbox was spotless. For comparison the Norden 901 I was travelling with was filthy.
@@JimmyQuince Thanks for the reply. I've owned two chinese bikes before and they were so horrible. I am wondering if this brand is good and nothing like the others. Can you share more info about your experience with it? I Don't want to drop 6k and regret it :S
Interesting stuff, just sold my T7 because of the tall bike. I think the bigger companies are going to have to listen , we wanted a smaller 450 rally bike but they never produced one
I've been watching this channel for 10 years and don't think a bike has ever been discussed here with this level of enthusiasm! I'm definitely considering one of these.
Test rode one a few ago. Agree 100% with your review. Pressure is definitely on the other manufacturers to bring smaller/lighter affordable adventure bikes to the table.
Didn’t KTM have a 450 twin planned a few years ago? The tin foil hat wearer in me feels like this might have been handed over to CFMOTO by Pierer when they jumped into bed together. Just a thought.
They are very closely linked financially and strategically. The discussions behind closed doors would be very interesting. I still think there will be a KTM version of this bike,
Я думаю после появления 450MT многим производителям придётся создавать, что-то подобное. Ну а KTM уже обкатает эту технологию на более дешёвом Братском бренде и выкатит отличный байк в ближайшем будущем
A question for those people concerned about the revs. Are you used to small capacity twins, especially if you are coming from a larger capacity bike? These bikes love to rev. I had a 300 Versys and for the first 6 months was scared to look at the tacho. 7k revs at 100kph. But I finally got used to it and realised that Kawasaki had actually got it right. I tried a larger front sprocket. It sounded right, but really killed the performance.
After watching Dave’s video I was inspired to take one for a test ride at a dealer today . I have ridden for over 50 years and I must say this little bike has a lot of bang for buck , I was very surprised how capable and such a torquey little motor . Dave’s review is spot on and the quality of the build is excellent. I think the big OEMs will be sitting up and taking notice of this bike . It’s very lightweight and carries the weight down really low , in my humble opinion and experience I reckon it’s a 9/10 straight out of the box 5 stars 🌟
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV yes Dave everything you said about it is spot on mate . Actually I can see it across 3 demographics The entry to intermediate The intermediate to advanced as after market kits become available The advanced guys of older years with bigger heavier bikes wanting a smaller but still very capable bike mate It ticks all boxes Dave
The traditional manufacturers have ignored this market long enough. To their own detriment. Honda could have easily put out a 450 adventure and likewise KTM with their 690. Their sales are subsequently going to be gobbled up with this 450 product from CFMOTO. Good review boys.
@@craigbrighton3026 I don't think we've heard the last of Honda. Time will tell. Don't ignore the 450 Himi, that's another great bike. Don't ignore my Husky 501 Rallye build! :). You're right it's going to eat into the traditional manufacturers.
Great video mate. Been looking forward to this one for a good while now! You've put it through its paces considering the limitations of those stock tires. I reckon for my weight, that suspension will be just right with the ability to adjust it. Looking forward to Clubby's build and you gents getting back out on the trails again! Yeah, I'm a bit tired of the old argument about weight. I've got the Himmy 411 and she's sitting around 203KGs (with mods, etc) and its fine on hard technical trails. The 450MT sheds about 5-8 kilos, gets more power and features. That's a win to me (excited to buy one). Its all about weight distribution and how the bike handles it. If people are worried about weight, don't ride adventure bikes and get an enduro bike. You've always been the voice of reason in motorcycle reviews. Keep doing what you are doing!
I’ve been back and forth on this and the new Himalayan. My local dealer sells both brands 😳 I imagine my wallet will be lighter pretty soon! Been on a CRF 250L for nine years and this class of bike fits the bill.
I perceive this bike as small adv, what I mean: 1. fairly priced, budget friendly. 2. the minimum cc to have a decent travel speed above 100km/h (110-130km/h) and have some room if needed to overtake any vehicle on the road, 3.off road capable (suspension 200mm travel, 220cm ground clearance, 21" /18" wheels) its not dual sport and its certainly isn't enduro but its close to a dual sport on the off-road part but more capable on the on-road than a 300cc dual sport, the seat height for taller ppl sux but there the bigger seat, fuel consumption could be better, weight could be lower BUT what other options are there similar priced and in the same category? I would say not much... RE is one.
Thank you so much for such a great review on the 450 MT. I noticed you did not mention the KTM 390 Adventure in comparison. I sold my T7 and purchased the 390 and I'm really enjoying the bike. For me the T7 was a bear off road, being that I ride solo most of the time and struggle to pick it up.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I am writing from Turkiye, In Turkiye suzuki vstrom 650 xt and ktm 390 adv 10 K dollars , cf 450 MT ' 10.4K dollars. What would be your choice?
Great Video of the CFMOTO MT450! I love this bike! I ride it two times and fell in love of the simplicity...it has enough Power for all adventure....nice greatings from Austria 🇦🇹
I've always appreciated your insights. I don't feel like I'm being upsold on something just so you can get on another press tour. Thank you for your integrity. Cheers!
I have owned mine in the UK for a few weeks now and absolutely love it, I sold my Tenere World Raid as it was just too heavy for me, the 450MT is all the fun but without the weight, the only thing I have done is fit a 15t front sprocket as riding to Wales is much more relaxed and I am riding mainly fire roads, still on the original tyres but they will change as winter draws in. I was lucky to see Dave's talk at the ABR Festival, what a true legend, happy to speak and have photos taken with everyone, I hope you come back next year, but I realise it is a major trip.
Would love to come back to ABR next year if they'll; have me. I can understand the sprocket change in those conditions. I reckon you've made the right choice.
@@markuswormann8852 I changed my sprocket pretty much as soon I got the bike so I comment on any change, but I am keeping MPG records. With just over 1200 miles on the clock I am averaging between 71 to 73 mpg. Cruising is much more relaxed with the 15t front sprocket.
Bloody great video and review as always fellas - i have no idea why manufacturers are dead set on supplying what is basically a tin bashplate - just use plastic, it is cheap, light, quiet and slides - my 500 exc still uses the standard plastic plate and i have done 10k hard miles on it - just use bloody plastic. For me the low mudguard is 10x the better look, shame they didn't do the adjustable like the T7 but hey, the only real issue with this bike i see is the fact they have built too few and are now hoping hype keeps peoples money safe until stock arrives, here in England we are talking 8mths wait....That may lose them a lot of cash
I love this bike. But every time I think about selling my 2007 BMW X-challenge (with the suspension fixed) and 4+ inches more suspension and a 40+ lbs lighter I stop. Yes this is a better road bike but I ride a lot of off road like you were. Decisions. This bike sounds awesome though!
I really enjoyed the review. I'd like your opinion on how it compares to a Rally Raid CB500X. Both bikes have a parallel twin with similar power ratings, and the dimensions, weight, and suspension travel are all very close to the same on both bikes. How do they compare offroad? More importantly, does one bike feel more top heavy than the other? Thank you, Dave and Clubby.
I really want this bike, but I need an 80/20 (road/dirt) in reality. Also, no mention of a light front wheel (steering) as I've heard in other videos. That would concern me on roads and traffic.
Appreciate you guys have a much bigger adventure scene than the UK But must say I'm very disappointed that there has only been around 100 bikes given to dealers so far we are told that another 100 will be coming in the new year They have taken lots of deposits Let's hope they sort themselves out before people move on to the next new bike Nice review 👌
13700kms on a Versys 650 , including riding in at least three gigantic storms around December January , not one issue , no rust , no camshaft failures . Ridden it on backroads , mild dirt roads , mountain passes and motorways , plus city riding . Looks like new still. Wonder how this 450 CF moto will be shaping up after 15000km or so? And how long it might take to order any part ,and actually receive it ? Because the supply issues in Australia are gettting worse even for Japanese bikes .
Ok you've done your Versys add. It's early in the CFMOTO's history but we'll find out very soon. Frankly I know which bike puts a smile on my face and it ain't the Versys, but it is reliable.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTVI say that because the Kawasaki x300 Versys and the BMW 310 GS and the Honda CFR 250 Rally kind of came in first then the Enfield 411 and KTM 390. I think the CF Moto & Enfield 450 just kind gave us what we been asking for. 😊
Very attractive package indeed.. surprised to hear that you reckon the Enfield is a little more off road capable.. I am looking to get my Mrs’s onto a bike and seriously considering one of these… however in South Africa they are not available.. Rumours have it that there are guys aiming to re establish Royal Enfield here🤞 Thanks again for the infotainment 😎👍
great vid guys, i soooo hope you guys do the himi 450, i want to buy one, i am just debating the tubed or tubeless version. also its maintenance intervals are longer then the CFmoto
Absolutely great review! For a beginner adventure rider (which a bit of road bike experience) would you say this bike is better than a Ténéré (if the price is irrelevant)? I tried the Himalayan 450 some days ago. It was great fun off the tarmac. However, being used to an SV650, it felt hyper slow and boring on the road. So, I thought that the Ténéré might be better, since it wouldn't feel as boing on the road. However, I'm worried that the Ténéré isn't a good choice for an off road beginner. What do you think? Thanks!
Depending on your size and strength and balance I'd lean toward the CFMOTO to start your off road career. You can always get a T7 later as they are always for sale.
Good one. I bought the MT450 as an dirt capable adv bike. My fixed up Rally 300 is the dirt bike. The 7000 rpm at 120kmh (8500 red line) is not as easily discounted by me. Taller 6th gear should have been fitted. Yep skid plate is paper thin. At 75 kgs, with zero preload up front, it's still stiff. Rear is great. The front brake also has this "free, no pressure building" initial movement. Rest is great, hope it will hold up well.
@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV When removing the skid plate, I suggest u install a strap between the two metal support/mounting "frame" tubes. When removing the front bolts, the frame springs out a couple of cm. You can damage the welded on nut plates if u don't. Also I suggest early oil change/flush. At 300 km, my oil did not look all that good. No metal, most likely clutch material. 15t front sprocket drops rpm about 450, bit yes the bike looses some acceleration/fun factor. We have 2 450s, riding back to back it's a noticeable difference.
I used to do that but you guys over there have dropped off the channel for some reason. USA used to be 25% of my audience and you've dropped to 18%. :(
cheap crap.. makes me smile, as other manufacturers just overprice their bikes; not even mentioning the suspension makers and tuning gurus which make you believe that it is rocket science and that there are made of gold. Still a long way to understand that price is not in correlation with perfs and quality....
I have been really looking forward to this review. Unfortunately I missed the live(ish) premiere. I have only ridden the 450MT on the road, and I was quite impressed. It was stable, (really) smooth and had a wide powerband. I thought it was comfortable and well made too. So, I have been really looking forward to your full (offroad) review. You definitely gave it a really good/tough test! I am even more positive about the bike now. I thought the bike was a little snatchy down low. Apparently, that has been improved with a software update. The front brake did need more bite. But, it has 4 piston JJuan brakes. So, it should be possible to improve them. I am interested to see how your bike mod goes. The next time you go past, that kangaroo will be 7ft tall and demand a toll.
I rented the motorcycle during an off-road training. It is a light motorcycle, agile, beautiful finish and apparently high-quality material. In my opinion, there are two important points of attention: long-term reliability and service intervals. For long ADV journeys, an interval of only 3000 miles/5000 kilometers is simply too short. The interval has to be at least 6000 miles/10.000 kilometers. For the time being, I look forward to (your) long-term reviews and the reliability of the bike.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV looking for your test and the experience with the (short) service interval. IMO it is a underrated and so far never (cleary) addressed. For me as an 'Overlander' it could be a reason to not buy the bike. Despite loving this Chinese. For now, I will ride from Perth UK to Perth Australia on my reliable and beloved Honda AT 2017. Maybe we meet somewhere down the Aussie-road.
Another crazy mad review! (sorry for the terrible pun nobody never made before) Really like this MT. Even if my heart shouts "Kove Rally", my brain whispers "MT" :3 (well, it mostly said "you moron you already bought a 800DE!")
once royal enfield get around to makeing a himalayan 650.... its going to be like the new KLR i believe but abit faster till then we got this little weapon and the himalayan 450 but im holding on to the hope of a himalayan 650 i do mostly highway stuff and ive test rode the interceptor 650 and fell in love its brilliant
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV yea i was showing it to my dad hed love it but hes yet to even get his license im hopeing ill motivate him to get it one day
@@travisj2370 tell him to pull his finger out and just do it. The course riding course is really good. You only live once and your window of fitness is closing every day. Tell him that's what I said.
Elephant in the room being how this bike are compared with Himalaya 450 (personally, I reckon RE is more punchy at low down revs while this one running smoother in highway cruise)
@@miro_sit’s pretty obvious comparison. Apart from the engine config they are very similar. Almost the same weight, almost same seat height, same price, same top speed, same cc engine, very close hp figures. Cfmoto is smoother, himi has better range, Cfmoto better inroad, himi better off-road (according to madTV). They are pretty close in nearly every way, and will obviously be compared to each other.
Appreciate your knowledge and entertaining style. Great review boys👍 Over the Honda 300 you’d ride The Himalayan 450 as a global traveler. Any comparable thoughts for CFMoto as an all around traveler?
Watched it, and only confirmed everything i knew about my bike. Great review, and happy to see you mention the " hate " it gets from the "Big brand lovers ".
Did you have to be that impressed with it... 😅 I wanted a 701, but the low seat on that and the decent economy sound compelling I'm surprised by that 7.8l/100km in the dirt, my f650gs gives a 5.5l when doing it hard
Great review Sir Dave and I enjoyed watching a lot of your videos specially those Himalayan travels and was so surprised you went here in Philippines !!! I'm always expecting new vid3os every time I hit your channel!! Dreaming of a beautiful helmet (with your sognatures + MAD Sticker) this Beer-months if you're granting wishes🙏. God speed!
Anyone tried the Mitas Enduro Trail-XT tyres? I commute on it but also would like some offroad fun. Its a 30% onroad /70% offroad or Mitas MC-23 Rockrider 40% onroad / 60% offroad
The best bike reviews on TH-cam (along with Big Rock Moto). I'm torn between this bike and the Royal Enfield Himalayan. They are both excellent bikes for the money.
Ticks all the right boxes. Specs are great except needs bigger gas tank! Only thing missing is long term reliability! Keeping my airhead bmw r100gs(288,000 miles) for a while.
I brought a V-strom 250SX as my first (how do I say it?) first "actual" Motorcycle for the road... I could have got a Gixxer, but I found it too cramped, I could have got a 400cc Dual sport, that would suck for road trips and cost's $3000 more. but the V-strom 250SX was a good physical fit that could do everything I wanted reasonably well. The one thing it can't do is easily cruise at the speed limit and not hold other traffic up like a moped does with it's less than urban speed making it a target for road rage. and with the 660cc & 47hp laws for learners & restricted licences, I feel the 47hp mark is spot on to achieve safe speeds on the open road, but the 660cc (or 650cc bikes in general) being just that little bit too cumbersome for an absolute beginner, a 450cc bike is pretty much the ticket! Yamaha may have a 300, KTM with the 390, and CFMoto with the 450... I hope Suzuki does a 450cc version of the V-strom, and only add switchable ABS and Hazard lights over the 250SX. It doesn't need all the extra stuff that prevents the rider from learning how to ride, that stuff is dangerous in the long term! I think every bike maker can learn from the CFMoto 450 MT. on paper it seems ideal for so many reasons. Do the reviews mean anything when there is always the fear of not receiving any more reviews to do when the truth is actually told? No, they don't, the only reviews that are honest are when the reviewer brought the bike with their own money with the intention of not having a company hold anything over them! And yes, any company who tries to sue a person for defamation after giving a 100% honest opinion, deserves to have their entire customer base turn away from them & let that company go bankrupt... You know who I'm talking about! and I really hope that is what happens!
Sorry mate I don't agree. Owner reviews are biased. If you want to test a reviewer's credibility look at the comments from owners who will say, that is exactly what I found, or something similar.
Reason it feels like a KTM is cause they own 51% of KTM and all the small KTM’s up to 690 are CFMoto engines as far as i can find out, now they have a Yamaha collaboration the next Tenere will be a CFMoto engine and be a 400 or 450. The CFMoto also shares a lot of BMW parts and bolts also which i assume means the smaller CC BMW’s are made in the same factory in or around the CFMoto factory ???
I'm jealous of the folks that can get their hands on this bike, I have the 450NK (had the SS450 also), I'm a CFMoto fan, that motor is a gem, I like it in this adventure form but the motor could also be used in an even more off-road oriented set up, I'd lean more that direction, still a great bike though. (except the brakes)
Thanks for this video. I'm looking for my next bike after the Himalayan 411. Not sure if this one will fill the bill, but I hope we get this into the states.
tut tut ya chucked the log in the rut for the next Jo to go on his/her ass bad trail etiquette there😀, great vid I agree these bikes from the Red flag are going to rock things about a bit I'll have little sympathy for KTM's loss of sales they need to sort out their product reliability, but middle of the road/trail stuff like the transalp , strom are going to get hit more to start with anyway, but if we consider the rate of evolution of the Kove, Voge, CF Moto and possibly more to come, what will we see in 3 years time. Are these prices at a point to bite in to the market, once people become familiar with these names and the big H, K, S, and Y start to lose their market share and range, will CF Moto's etc be so good value? Deindustrialization, A discussion for elsewhere perhaps. Thanks for the vid- A Welsh Dwarf.
Thanks for the great review! If budget is not a question. Currently riding a Husky Svartpilen 701, thinking about moving to ADV bikes. I am wondering if I should go for a T7 for it's proven pedigree as a good all-rounder, its power, and dirt capabilities. Or, if I should start building-up my adv skills with a lighter/lower center of gravity bike like the CF Moto 450mt? I plan on riding 50-50 high-way and dirt, sometime for 3-4 days camping trips. I am tempted by the CF Moto 450mt, but I am wondering if I will regret it coming from a 700cc bike
It's a beaut. Just can't get a test tide on one at the moment. I do wonder if it was originally a KTM design that they didn't pursue, and CF thought they'd have a bit of that.. 2 decades ago they chose not to support Ewan and Charlie. If this was their idea ( no way of knowing) i wonder how they feel now? Sliding doirs moments. Whoever is responsible fot it did a good job. Goid work, gentlemen. Ride safe 👍
Great review. Very interesting about the warranty … I wonder if that conflicts with Magnusson-Moss in the US. I have not seen one in Colorado either on the road or at the dealership; I hope there isn’t undue gouging when they finally arrive. Almost certainly will add one next.
great review, well "chinise" work well the are in moto 3 and moto 2, but forget this the question to a milian dollars is , do you make a big adventure with this bike ?? i hope you guys do. 👌👌
Dave, much appreciate your excellent, in depth review...I have promptly struck the subscribe button and will look forward to your future assessments of the 450MT. I have my hard earned money on deposit with my CFMoto dealer here in Oregon, USA for about 8 weeks now and waiting..somewhat impatiently. Additionally, I have jettisoned 4 motorcycles in the last 3 months as I expect this machine to replace them all. Here in the Western U.S. we have wonderful off-road options but I needed a blacktop capable moto to get me there. I am fully planning that this bike is the answer. By the way, I was impressed and inspired by the way you picked up the MT at 5:05 of the video...After all there will be the inevitable dirt naps.....
Great video and comments 👍. I,ve tested one MT today and I enjoy it a lot!. Only downside for me is that stock suspension settings are too stiff, but it was a short ride and dont have time for adjustments. Can you share with us wich settings do you prefer and your weight?
I'd love one of these, seems like a unicorn to me and i cannot believe for the life of me why KTM haven't done something similar already. I could not justify KTM $ though.
Comprehensive and honest review thanks. I`m waiting for the 25 KTM ADV 400 so I can trade up my 24 KTM Duke400, I`m very pleased with this 398.63cc machine, now it`s time to hit the trails.
Great review as usual gents. I've put down $100 to hold a position (#1) for a shop in Colorado. I got a call that it will be end of Sept early Oct before they are in, which where I live doesn't leave a lot of time before the snow flies. Is there a specific reason you are going with the Pirelli tires? What would you think of say the Motoz Tractionator Adventure tires for a 7k mile trip across the Americas dirt and pavement?
Firstly, I'm sponsored by Pirelli, But that aside and before I was sponsored I would always have a Pirelli on the front because they were so good. Rear I don't care.
Very good review. I've now ordered the B&B bash plate, thanks for the recommendation. I changed the front sprocket to a 15T to reduce highway speed revs. At 6k rpm it now sits at around 110kph instead of around 100kph. And yes, initially I could feel a very slight drop (but negligible) in acceleration and torque - but a bit more twist of the throttle it's there - you don't really notice it and when off-road the torque remains just fine, I haven't had to change down a gear to compensate. I think it's worth doing the sprocket change just to reduce the highway speed revs - and with the added benefit of a smoother throttle for low-speed off-road maneuvering. Would be good for RE to provide the 450 Himi for 6 months on the same arrangement as CFMoto - a true head to head 6 months journey. Even though I think you can't go wrong with either bike.
THE BEST REVIEW YET!!! I have seen a lot of CF Moto 450 MT videos and reviews and this is hands down the best, most comprehensive review yet. Well done.
Wow, thanks! We did try. To be frank I'm pretty uninspired by most review. They just don't put the effort in.
Great review as always mates... but now you have cost me some money! I think I want to get one after watching this!
Yes please. Looking forward to your test 😊
Himalayan has quite a few reliability issues
Yes, I'm kinda crossing that thought myself. Something in the garage has to go but I fall in love with them and can't. My wife says not one more. Hmmm. Decisions. But yes this is a great one. But then again the Himilayan is also so good. This is finally a wonderful time for small adventure. Great to hear from you.
Ian, it will be interesting to see your opinion on this bike, I own a Tuareg and on paper it doesn't look like enough weight savings to justify and you lose cruise control but for the money it seems really tempting....
@@nscott26 The weight is lower. That's the difference. A huge difference when riding slowly in technical stuff and of course having to pick it up.
As a 22 year old rider, I appreciate your comments about price accessibility. I think one of the reasons why there's so few young people in this niche is that it seems so expensive from the outside. Those of us who are already into it know that it can be done cheaply but on the surface all you see are these $15k+ bikes with an additional $5k in luggage and farkles.
That's why I'm excited. It is yet another model good for the. sport.
I started with an XT250 and a backpack with a jerry can strapped on ! I've still got it !😅
Got nearly 10000kms on mine after taking it to central Australia
Excellent, look forward to hearing more about your experience.
and? any issues? chinese built bikes usually have issues
@@tuanoful No issues at all, I went to change the air filter after 5000kms in the dirt and the airbox was spotless. For comparison the Norden 901 I was travelling with was filthy.
@@JimmyQuince Thanks for the reply. I've owned two chinese bikes before and they were so horrible.
I am wondering if this brand is good and nothing like the others.
Can you share more info about your experience with it? I Don't want to drop 6k and regret it :S
Interesting stuff, just sold my T7 because of the tall bike. I think the bigger companies are going to have to listen , we wanted a smaller 450 rally bike but they never produced one
They've got to be looking now.
I've been watching this channel for 10 years and don't think a bike has ever been discussed here with this level of enthusiasm! I'm definitely considering one of these.
I think you're right. What excites me is the small capacity has been ignored for years.
Great review!
I'd really like to see you guys put the MT450 and the Himalayan 450 to the test against each other. I'm very torn between the two.
Noted!
Would not waste your money on either.
@@xaxabat1 Have you ridden them? If not, your opinion is zip.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTVwouldn't waste my time it's valuable.
@@Deertracks123 where are components for your bike made, for example ECU? Brake pads? clutch master slave?
Test rode one a few ago.
Agree 100% with your review.
Pressure is definitely on the other manufacturers to bring smaller/lighter affordable adventure bikes to the table.
I agree.
Didn’t KTM have a 450 twin planned a few years ago? The tin foil hat wearer in me feels like this might have been handed over to CFMOTO by Pierer when they jumped into bed together. Just a thought.
They are very closely linked financially and strategically. The discussions behind closed doors would be very interesting. I still think there will be a KTM version of this bike,
Я думаю после появления 450MT многим производителям придётся создавать, что-то подобное. Ну а KTM уже обкатает эту технологию на более дешёвом Братском бренде и выкатит отличный байк в ближайшем будущем
A question for those people concerned about the revs. Are you used to small capacity twins, especially if you are coming from a larger capacity bike? These bikes love to rev. I had a 300 Versys and for the first 6 months was scared to look at the tacho. 7k revs at 100kph. But I finally got used to it and realised that Kawasaki had actually got it right. I tried a larger front sprocket. It sounded right, but really killed the performance.
Great points. Thanks for posting.
After watching Dave’s video I was inspired to take one for a test ride at a dealer today . I have ridden for over 50 years and I must say this little bike has a lot of bang for buck , I was very surprised how capable and such a torquey little motor . Dave’s review is spot on and the quality of the build is excellent. I think the big OEMs will be sitting up and taking notice of this bike . It’s very lightweight and carries the weight down really low , in my humble opinion and experience I reckon it’s a 9/10 straight out of the box 5 stars 🌟
Great talking with you today Dave. This bike is quite a surprise.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV yes Dave everything you said about it is spot on mate . Actually I can see it across 3 demographics
The entry to intermediate
The intermediate to advanced as after market kits become available
The advanced guys of older years with bigger heavier bikes wanting a smaller but still very capable bike mate
It ticks all boxes Dave
@@davidmorgan6367 Sure does.
The traditional manufacturers have ignored this market long enough. To their own detriment. Honda could have easily put out a 450 adventure and likewise KTM with their 690. Their sales are subsequently going to be gobbled up with this 450 product from CFMOTO. Good review boys.
@@craigbrighton3026 I don't think we've heard the last of Honda. Time will tell. Don't ignore the 450 Himi, that's another great bike. Don't ignore my Husky 501 Rallye build! :). You're right it's going to eat into the traditional manufacturers.
Great video mate. Been looking forward to this one for a good while now! You've put it through its paces considering the limitations of those stock tires. I reckon for my weight, that suspension will be just right with the ability to adjust it. Looking forward to Clubby's build and you gents getting back out on the trails again! Yeah, I'm a bit tired of the old argument about weight. I've got the Himmy 411 and she's sitting around 203KGs (with mods, etc) and its fine on hard technical trails. The 450MT sheds about 5-8 kilos, gets more power and features. That's a win to me (excited to buy one). Its all about weight distribution and how the bike handles it. If people are worried about weight, don't ride adventure bikes and get an enduro bike. You've always been the voice of reason in motorcycle reviews. Keep doing what you are doing!
Thanks Moto! Many riders just don't understand weight.
Dave and his kangaroo pickup lines, “you’re looking fit anyway”😂
A great chat up line for a Kangaroo
I’ve been back and forth on this and the new Himalayan.
My local dealer sells both brands 😳
I imagine my wallet will be lighter pretty soon! Been on a CRF 250L for nine years and this class of bike fits the bill.
Either one is going to make you happy.
I perceive this bike as small adv, what I mean: 1. fairly priced, budget friendly. 2. the minimum cc to have a decent travel speed above 100km/h (110-130km/h) and have some room if needed to overtake any vehicle on the road, 3.off road capable (suspension 200mm travel, 220cm ground clearance, 21" /18" wheels) its not dual sport and its certainly isn't enduro but its close to a dual sport on the off-road part but more capable on the on-road than a 300cc dual sport, the seat height for taller ppl sux but there the bigger seat, fuel consumption could be better, weight could be lower BUT what other options are there similar priced and in the same category? I would say not much... RE is one.
Yeah I'm with you on most of that. But I believe it is a dual sporter and would make a good commuter.
Thank you so much for such a great review on the 450 MT. I noticed you did not mention the KTM 390 Adventure in comparison. I sold my T7 and purchased the 390 and I'm really enjoying the bike. For me the T7 was a bear off road, being that I ride solo most of the time and struggle to pick it up.
I thnk, although I don't know, this will be 390 replacement.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I am writing from Turkiye, In Turkiye suzuki vstrom 650 xt and ktm 390 adv 10 K dollars , cf 450 MT ' 10.4K dollars. What would be your choice?
Great Video of the CFMOTO MT450! I love this bike! I ride it two times and fell in love of the simplicity...it has enough Power for all adventure....nice greatings from Austria 🇦🇹
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for sharing.
I was honestly about to get an 890 adventure as my first bike ever but now I’ll be entering with the cfmoto. hm.
I've always appreciated your insights. I don't feel like I'm being upsold on something just so you can get on another press tour. Thank you for your integrity. Cheers!
Thank you. I appreciate those comments. We do our best to provide honest accurate advice.
I have owned mine in the UK for a few weeks now and absolutely love it, I sold my Tenere World Raid as it was just too heavy for me, the 450MT is all the fun but without the weight, the only thing I have done is fit a 15t front sprocket as riding to Wales is much more relaxed and I am riding mainly fire roads, still on the original tyres but they will change as winter draws in. I was lucky to see Dave's talk at the ABR Festival, what a true legend, happy to speak and have photos taken with everyone, I hope you come back next year, but I realise it is a major trip.
Would love to come back to ABR next year if they'll; have me. I can understand the sprocket change in those conditions. I reckon you've made the right choice.
@@davidz8 What about fuel consumption with the new sprocket? Any change to notice?
@@markuswormann8852 I changed my sprocket pretty much as soon I got the bike so I comment on any change, but I am keeping MPG records. With just over 1200 miles on the clock I am averaging between 71 to 73 mpg. Cruising is much more relaxed with the 15t front sprocket.
Eager to watch this one, cause my 450MT is sitting in the garage! I love it so far. Nice weather this weekend will allow me to test it some more!
Have fun!
Bloody great video and review as always fellas - i have no idea why manufacturers are dead set on supplying what is basically a tin bashplate - just use plastic, it is cheap, light, quiet and slides - my 500 exc still uses the standard plastic plate and i have done 10k hard miles on it - just use bloody plastic. For me the low mudguard is 10x the better look, shame they didn't do the adjustable like the T7 but hey, the only real issue with this bike i see is the fact they have built too few and are now hoping hype keeps peoples money safe until stock arrives, here in England we are talking 8mths wait....That may lose them a lot of cash
Great thoughts about the bashplate. Yep supply maybe an issue.
I love this bike. But every time I think about selling my 2007 BMW X-challenge (with the suspension fixed) and 4+ inches more suspension and a 40+ lbs lighter I stop. Yes this is a better road bike but I ride a lot of off road like you were. Decisions. This bike sounds awesome though!
It is excellent.
Why am I not surprised a Chinese bike comes with tracking? Nice bike though. Great review!
You and me both!
I really enjoyed the review. I'd like your opinion on how it compares to a Rally Raid CB500X. Both bikes have a parallel twin with similar power ratings, and the dimensions, weight, and suspension travel are all very close to the same on both bikes. How do they compare offroad? More importantly, does one bike feel more top heavy than the other? Thank you, Dave and Clubby.
Nope CFMOTO way in front on many areas particularly for the dirt end of the business.
Excuse me guys, what's the equivalent in Euros of 9.500aus$?? Cause f.e in greece it costs 5.990€.. that's roughly 6.500usd.. why do you pay 3 more?
5752 Euros so cheaper in Australia
I really want this bike, but I need an 80/20 (road/dirt) in reality. Also, no mention of a light front wheel (steering) as I've heard in other videos. That would concern me on roads and traffic.
Did you watch the video right through. I rode it in suburbia a stack. That's crap about light front wheel. I would be a great commuter.
Appreciate you guys have a much bigger adventure scene than the UK
But must say I'm very disappointed that there has only been around 100 bikes given to dealers so far
we are told that another 100 will be coming in the new year
They have taken lots of deposits
Let's hope they sort themselves out before people move on to the next new bike
Nice review 👌
Thanks
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Does the bike automatically compensate for the high-flow air filter with the ecu? I've heard they could run lean if they don't have a tune 🤔
Don’t know about that
If it turns out to be reliable, will this be the WR250R "replacement" people have been waiting for?
Agree. That and the Himi. Both are excellent
Hi Clubby and Dave.. amazing review.. I’m 110 kgs and waiting for the MTX 800.. to compliment my 1290 SAR in the shed!
Good choice!
13700kms on a Versys 650 , including riding in at least three gigantic storms around December January , not one issue , no rust , no camshaft failures .
Ridden it on backroads , mild dirt roads , mountain passes and motorways , plus city riding .
Looks like new still.
Wonder how this 450 CF moto will be shaping up after 15000km or so?
And how long it might take to order any part ,and actually receive it ?
Because the supply issues in Australia are gettting worse even for Japanese bikes .
Ok you've done your Versys add. It's early in the CFMOTO's history but we'll find out very soon. Frankly I know which bike puts a smile on my face and it ain't the Versys, but it is reliable.
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Nice bike but you won’t get me on a Chinese bike short term.
Too much military and political unrest between China and our region atm.
Not sure where you are from but most bikes, or bike components are made in China or Central Asia. You can't escape that.
So how does this stack up against say a Kawasaki x300 (old originals so to speak) do you think Kawasaki will throw the 400 ninja engine in
No idea. I don't have any experience with the Kwaka.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTVI say that because the Kawasaki x300 Versys and the BMW 310 GS and the Honda CFR 250 Rally kind of came in first then the Enfield 411 and KTM 390. I think the CF Moto & Enfield 450 just kind gave us what we been asking for. 😊
Very attractive package indeed.. surprised to hear that you reckon the Enfield is a little more off road capable..
I am looking to get my Mrs’s onto a bike and seriously considering one of these… however in South Africa they are not available..
Rumours have it that there are guys aiming to re establish Royal Enfield here🤞
Thanks again for the infotainment 😎👍
Both very good bikes. We'll have more on the Enfield Himalayan soon.
Wait a sec fellas, in Greece it costs 5.990€.. what's the equivalent in Australian $$?
You work it out.
Nice to see the bike on a bit of single track 👌
Nearly every other 'off road review' is riding down a dirt road you could easily do in a Corolla 🙂
I agree
It's funny how China play with u.s. this bike coast almost 10 grand. Here in Europe only 5.990. LoL
Dollar exchange rates.
great vid guys, i soooo hope you guys do the himi 450, i want to buy one, i am just debating the tubed or tubeless version. also its maintenance intervals are longer then the CFmoto
We are getting a HImi
I believe I would have bought this over my T7 if it was available at the time i purchased my bike, mainly due to seat height. Great review thank you
Thanks for watching.
I’ve been waiting for this review and I will now be getting one. Thanks.
I don't think you could go wrong.
In Italy cost 5990 euro in Asia 4000 euro….how much is the cost in America?
9500 AU
Absolutely great review! For a beginner adventure rider (which a bit of road bike experience) would you say this bike is better than a Ténéré (if the price is irrelevant)? I tried the Himalayan 450 some days ago. It was great fun off the tarmac. However, being used to an SV650, it felt hyper slow and boring on the road. So, I thought that the Ténéré might be better, since it wouldn't feel as boing on the road. However, I'm worried that the Ténéré isn't a good choice for an off road beginner. What do you think? Thanks!
Depending on your size and strength and balance I'd lean toward the CFMOTO to start your off road career. You can always get a T7 later as they are always for sale.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV What makes the CFMoto the better choice? The weight difference is only 10 kg or so.
@@stefanhansen5882 The t7 is significantly top heavy
Does anyone know if this 450mt engine is totally new or used in some other bikes?? References for reliability?
It's in a road bike.
we need yall to take these across Australia and put it to the test. i think that's what everyone's afraid of is long term ownership
We have both the CFmoto and Himalayan for long term loans. Their first big ride begins this week when we take them 4000 km.
Styling-wise looks like an Aprilia Tuareg? Looks like a great effort from CFMoto - looking forward to your long term evaluation👍
We shall see
Good one. I bought the MT450 as an dirt capable adv bike. My fixed up Rally 300 is the dirt bike.
The 7000 rpm at 120kmh (8500 red line) is not as easily discounted by me. Taller 6th gear should have been fitted.
Yep skid plate is paper thin.
At 75 kgs, with zero preload up front, it's still stiff. Rear is great.
The front brake also has this "free, no pressure building" initial movement. Rest is great, hope it will hold up well.
Great to hear from an owner. Thank you.
@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV When removing the skid plate, I suggest u install a strap between the two metal support/mounting "frame" tubes. When removing the front bolts, the frame springs out a couple of cm. You can damage the welded on nut plates if u don't.
Also I suggest early oil change/flush. At 300 km, my oil did not look all that good. No metal, most likely clutch material.
15t front sprocket drops rpm about 450, bit yes the bike looses some acceleration/fun factor. We have 2 450s, riding back to back it's a noticeable difference.
What about gas mileage in miles per gallon for us USA guys?
I used to do that but you guys over there have dropped off the channel for some reason. USA used to be 25% of my audience and you've dropped to 18%. :(
It dont rev anything compared to my versys x 300! 9000rpm at 110
loves to rev
Great video. Looks a good bike. I was really willing you to get out of that rut. Well done!
Ta. I must have heard you.
cheap crap.. makes me smile, as other manufacturers just overprice their bikes; not even mentioning the suspension makers and tuning gurus which make you believe that it is rocket science and that there are made of gold. Still a long way to understand that price is not in correlation with perfs and quality....
Economy of scale is the secret
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV telll that to guys to guys buying overpriced iPhone
I have been really looking forward to this review. Unfortunately I missed the live(ish) premiere.
I have only ridden the 450MT on the road, and I was quite impressed.
It was stable, (really) smooth and had a wide powerband. I thought it was comfortable and well made too.
So, I have been really looking forward to your full (offroad) review.
You definitely gave it a really good/tough test!
I am even more positive about the bike now.
I thought the bike was a little snatchy down low. Apparently, that has been improved with a software update.
The front brake did need more bite. But, it has 4 piston JJuan brakes. So, it should be possible to improve them.
I am interested to see how your bike mod goes.
The next time you go past, that kangaroo will be 7ft tall and demand a toll.
Great to hear from an owner.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV My bad. I left off the part about it being a test ride and they didn't want me to go offroad:)
Just a great bike, loving mine. Hardly ride my ducati now😂 💯agree with your review 👍🏼
Right on!
Mini Tenere - but better !
Excellent review thanks ...
Thanks for watching!
All the other manufacturers need to watch out especially at that price
Agree
Sure is a lot of cat strangling mentioned in this video....
Sometimes it's got to be done!
This is not one of those mail order motorcycles. This is serious.
Strongly agree
I rented the motorcycle during an off-road training. It is a light motorcycle, agile, beautiful finish and apparently high-quality material.
In my opinion, there are two important points of attention: long-term reliability and service intervals. For long ADV journeys, an interval of only 3000 miles/5000 kilometers is simply too short. The interval has to be at least 6000 miles/10.000 kilometers.
For the time being, I look forward to (your) long-term reviews and the reliability of the bike.
So we have it long term and we've got a big ride for it in September.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV looking for your test and the experience with the (short) service interval. IMO it is a underrated and so far never (cleary) addressed. For me as an 'Overlander' it could be a reason to not buy the bike. Despite loving this Chinese.
For now, I will ride from Perth UK to Perth Australia on my reliable and beloved Honda AT 2017. Maybe we meet somewhere down the Aussie-road.
@@jeroenstienstra1409 Well let's see how it goes.
This is the perfect size bike for me. This is huge win.
Yes it will be for many
No absolutely not. Never buying a Chinese bike
Ok
Yep, but terrible quality, people report: engine issues, rust issues, electronic issues, fit and finish issues.......already
I haven't seen any of that. We have the bike long term so let;s wait and see.
Be good if they build a endurance trail bike. 👍
That would be cool!
Another crazy mad review! (sorry for the terrible pun nobody never made before) Really like this MT. Even if my heart shouts "Kove Rally", my brain whispers "MT" :3 (well, it mostly said "you moron you already bought a 800DE!")
I love the 800 DE I think it is a great bike. Beautiful engine.
As long as it’s not KTMesque reliability.
Erh :)
Well under 10 thousand dollars?! I freaked out, rolled my eyes...and then I've noticed I am on the wrong side of the earth.
Yes very good point
These things can't get to the USA fast enough!!!
Agree
Looking forward to your build out. Great job guys!!!
Thanks! 👍 Looking forward to that.
This bike is like the poor man’s Tuareg.
😂
once royal enfield get around to makeing a himalayan 650.... its going to be like the new KLR i believe but abit faster
till then we got this little weapon and the himalayan 450 but im holding on to the hope of a himalayan 650 i do mostly highway stuff and ive test rode the interceptor 650 and fell in love its brilliant
I'm a fan of the 450 Himalayan.
There is himi650 being tested rn in india.
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@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV yea i was showing it to my dad hed love it but hes yet to even get his license
im hopeing ill motivate him to get it one day
@@travisj2370 tell him to pull his finger out and just do it. The course riding course is really good. You only live once and your window of fitness is closing every day. Tell him that's what I said.
KTM 450 disguised in CF Moto 450.... LOL
Let's wait and see.
I see bike is very popular in Australia :D
Yes it is
Elephant in the room being how this bike are compared with Himalaya 450 (personally, I reckon RE is more punchy at low down revs while this one running smoother in highway cruise)
Neck and neck. You really have to ride both.
I don’t really get the (requests for) comparison with the himalayan: one is a twin, the other a thumper, completely different engine characters…
@@miro_sit’s pretty obvious comparison. Apart from the engine config they are very similar. Almost the same weight, almost same seat height, same price, same top speed, same cc engine, very close hp figures.
Cfmoto is smoother, himi has better range, Cfmoto better inroad, himi better off-road (according to madTV). They are pretty close in nearly every way, and will obviously be compared to each other.
@@slakk5093 yes, I see. The way I operate I first decide whether I want a twin or a single, so I’d never compare those two in my mind.
Appreciate your knowledge and entertaining style. Great review boys👍 Over the Honda 300 you’d ride The Himalayan 450 as a global traveler. Any comparable thoughts for CFMoto as an all around traveler?
Same deal straight off the show room floor. Himi and CF RTWers straight off the showroom floor.
another 41min before i can watch it! But i know it's going to be worth it!
Ha ha :)
Watched it, and only confirmed everything i knew about my bike. Great review, and happy to see you mention the " hate " it gets from the "Big brand lovers ".
Did you have to be that impressed with it... 😅 I wanted a 701, but the low seat on that and the decent economy sound compelling
I'm surprised by that 7.8l/100km in the dirt, my f650gs gives a 5.5l when doing it hard
I was flogging it. I still love my 701, that bike isn't going anywhere.
Be careful with the music in the background, the video might be taken down
No it won't
Great review Sir Dave and I enjoyed watching a lot of your videos specially those Himalayan travels and was so surprised you went here in Philippines !!! I'm always expecting new vid3os every time I hit your channel!! Dreaming of a beautiful helmet (with your sognatures + MAD Sticker) this Beer-months if you're granting wishes🙏. God speed!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Anyone tried the Mitas Enduro Trail-XT tyres? I commute on it but also would like some offroad fun. Its a 30% onroad /70% offroad or Mitas MC-23 Rockrider 40% onroad / 60% offroad
Anu dirt oriented tyre will significantly improve off road performance of this bike.
The best bike reviews on TH-cam (along with Big Rock Moto). I'm torn between this bike and the Royal Enfield Himalayan. They are both excellent bikes for the money.
We will be reviewing the Royal Enfield shortly.
Ticks all the right boxes. Specs are great except needs bigger gas tank! Only thing missing is long term reliability! Keeping my airhead bmw r100gs(288,000 miles) for a while.
Let’s wait and see
I brought a V-strom 250SX as my first (how do I say it?) first "actual" Motorcycle for the road... I could have got a Gixxer, but I found it too cramped, I could have got a 400cc Dual sport, that would suck for road trips and cost's $3000 more. but the V-strom 250SX was a good physical fit that could do everything I wanted reasonably well.
The one thing it can't do is easily cruise at the speed limit and not hold other traffic up like a moped does with it's less than urban speed making it a target for road rage.
and with the 660cc & 47hp laws for learners & restricted licences, I feel the 47hp mark is spot on to achieve safe speeds on the open road, but the 660cc (or 650cc bikes in general) being just that little bit too cumbersome for an absolute beginner, a 450cc bike is pretty much the ticket!
Yamaha may have a 300, KTM with the 390, and CFMoto with the 450... I hope Suzuki does a 450cc version of the V-strom, and only add switchable ABS and Hazard lights over the 250SX. It doesn't need all the extra stuff that prevents the rider from learning how to ride, that stuff is dangerous in the long term!
I think every bike maker can learn from the CFMoto 450 MT. on paper it seems ideal for so many reasons.
Do the reviews mean anything when there is always the fear of not receiving any more reviews to do when the truth is actually told? No, they don't, the only reviews that are honest are when the reviewer brought the bike with their own money with the intention of not having a company hold anything over them!
And yes, any company who tries to sue a person for defamation after giving a 100% honest opinion, deserves to have their entire customer base turn away from them & let that company go bankrupt... You know who I'm talking about! and I really hope that is what happens!
Sorry mate I don't agree. Owner reviews are biased. If you want to test a reviewer's credibility look at the comments from owners who will say, that is exactly what I found, or something similar.
Reason it feels like a KTM is cause they own 51% of KTM and all the small KTM’s up to 690 are CFMoto engines as far as i can find out, now they have a Yamaha collaboration the next Tenere will be a CFMoto engine and be a 400 or 450. The CFMoto also shares a lot of BMW parts and bolts also which i assume means the smaller CC BMW’s are made in the same factory in or around the CFMoto factory ???
CFMOTO is HUUUUUGGGGEEE! They are in all sorts of things.
I'm jealous of the folks that can get their hands on this bike, I have the 450NK (had the SS450 also), I'm a CFMoto fan, that motor is a gem, I like it in this adventure form but the motor could also be used in an even more off-road oriented set up, I'd lean more that direction, still a great bike though. (except the brakes)
A solid bikes
great video.
I hear a lot about the throttle and fuelling being very on off and not having a good or precise control.
What’s say you!
That was an old fuelling map. It has been fixed and is available on the CFMOTO app. We did not experience snappy throttle at all.
Thanks for this video. I'm looking for my next bike after the Himalayan 411. Not sure if this one will fill the bill, but I hope we get this into the states.
We have just received a Himalayan 450 to test.
First like for ya Dave,.
Thanks Robert!
tut tut ya chucked the log in the rut for the next Jo to go on his/her ass bad trail etiquette there😀, great vid I agree these bikes from the Red flag are going to rock things about a bit I'll have little sympathy for KTM's loss of sales they need to sort out their product reliability, but middle of the road/trail stuff like the transalp , strom are going to get hit more to start with anyway, but if we consider the rate of evolution of the Kove, Voge, CF Moto and possibly more to come, what will we see in 3 years time. Are these prices at a point to bite in to the market, once people become familiar with these names and the big H, K, S, and Y start to lose their market share and range, will CF Moto's etc be so good value? Deindustrialization, A discussion for elsewhere perhaps. Thanks for the vid- A Welsh Dwarf.
Ahh Yess bad etiquette :). I agree with your thoughts, things are getting interesting.
Thanks for the great review! If budget is not a question. Currently riding a Husky Svartpilen 701, thinking about moving to ADV bikes. I am wondering if I should go for a T7 for it's proven pedigree as a good all-rounder, its power, and dirt capabilities. Or, if I should start building-up my adv skills with a lighter/lower center of gravity bike like the CF Moto 450mt? I plan on riding 50-50 high-way and dirt, sometime for 3-4 days camping trips. I am tempted by the CF Moto 450mt, but I am wondering if I will regret it coming from a 700cc bike
If you are not familiar with the dirt start with a small capaicy bike with low seat height.
It's a beaut.
Just can't get a test tide on one at the moment.
I do wonder if it was originally a KTM design that they didn't pursue, and CF thought they'd have a bit of that..
2 decades ago they chose not to support Ewan and Charlie.
If this was their idea ( no way of knowing) i wonder how they feel now?
Sliding doirs moments.
Whoever is responsible fot it did a good job.
Goid work, gentlemen.
Ride safe 👍
Thanks.
450 cc motor, in a small-side adv seems exactly like what kawasaki should bring out the versys 450/500 yesterday
Agree
Great review. Very interesting about the warranty … I wonder if that conflicts with Magnusson-Moss in the US. I have not seen one in Colorado either on the road or at the dealership; I hope there isn’t undue gouging when they finally arrive. Almost certainly will add one next.
They are a great well valued bike, but I'd strongly urge to also look at the Himalayan.
great review, well "chinise" work well the are in moto 3 and moto 2, but forget this the question to a milian dollars is , do you make a big adventure with this bike ?? i hope you guys do. 👌👌
We will be in September
Dave, much appreciate your excellent, in depth review...I have promptly struck the subscribe button and will look forward to your future assessments of the 450MT. I have my hard earned money on deposit with my CFMoto dealer here in Oregon, USA for about 8 weeks now and waiting..somewhat impatiently. Additionally, I have jettisoned 4 motorcycles in the last 3 months as I expect this machine to replace them all. Here in the Western U.S. we have wonderful off-road options but I needed a blacktop capable moto to get me there. I am fully planning that this bike is the answer. By the way, I was impressed and inspired by the way you picked up the MT at 5:05 of the video...After all there will be the inevitable dirt naps.....
Yes, everyone says it's heavy, but it's all low, hence ease of picking it up. good luck with your purchase I think they are a great bike.
Great video and comments 👍. I,ve tested one MT today and I enjoy it a lot!. Only downside for me is that stock suspension settings are too stiff, but it was a short ride and dont have time for adjustments. Can you share with us wich settings do you prefer and your weight?
You didn’t listen to the video got to chapter on suspension
I'd love one of these, seems like a unicorn to me and i cannot believe for the life of me why KTM haven't done something similar already. I could not justify KTM $ though.
CFMOTO and KTM are financially linked and roughly half of KTM is also owned by Indian Motorcycle giant, Bajaj.
Comprehensive and honest review thanks. I`m waiting for the 25 KTM ADV 400 so I can trade up my 24 KTM Duke400, I`m very pleased with this 398.63cc machine, now it`s time to hit the trails.
Yes.
Great review as usual gents. I've put down $100 to hold a position (#1) for a shop in Colorado. I got a call that it will be end of Sept early Oct before they are in, which where I live doesn't leave a lot of time before the snow flies. Is there a specific reason you are going with the Pirelli tires? What would you think of say the Motoz Tractionator Adventure tires for a 7k mile trip across the Americas dirt and pavement?
Firstly, I'm sponsored by Pirelli, But that aside and before I was sponsored I would always have a Pirelli on the front because they were so good. Rear I don't care.
Very good review. I've now ordered the B&B bash plate, thanks for the recommendation. I changed the front sprocket to a 15T to reduce highway speed revs. At 6k rpm it now sits at around 110kph instead of around 100kph. And yes, initially I could feel a very slight drop (but negligible) in acceleration and torque - but a bit more twist of the throttle it's there - you don't really notice it and when off-road the torque remains just fine, I haven't had to change down a gear to compensate. I think it's worth doing the sprocket change just to reduce the highway speed revs - and with the added benefit of a smoother throttle for low-speed off-road maneuvering. Would be good for RE to provide the 450 Himi for 6 months on the same arrangement as CFMoto - a true head to head 6 months journey. Even though I think you can't go wrong with either bike.
I suspect in the tougher dirt that I was doing I would prefer standard gearing, but we will try it during our long term review.