Laptop VR Testing + VIVE Cosmos Elite Overview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2020
- How well does VR perform on laptops, and what do you need to get set up? I’ve got the VIVE Cosmos Elite from HTC setup and we’ll go through what’s needed to play VR on a laptop and also see how different games perform with different laptop hardware.
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Do you want to see VR testing added to future laptop reviews? If so, what sort of tests?
Yes its a good idea
Compatibility issues, FPS drops, minimum settings required for ideal VR experience on a specific laptop?
I would like to see big vr games being tested on mid-range laptops
Test with asus tuf fx505, I don't find video on TH-cam :(
That's refreshing. sadly I just sold my rift s. just a suggestion, maybe make the game screen bigger and you playing smaller next time. lol
PLEASE do more VR on gaming laptops!
I'll see what I can do!
@@JarrodsTech If you could include things like no man's sky as well it would be appreciated. Love your content
@@JarrodsTech yes do it :D
Another great addition to your reviews! Mentioning if the display port is connected to the GPU. My rule of thumb was that once the only displayport is through type c or thunderbolt it was, if a laptop offered both displayport Moni and thunderbolt, then it wasn't. At least now I'll know for sure
this is great development. I'm glad you decided to get into VR, for laptops especially. I have reading around on VR compatibility on gaming laptops since last year. I own an Asus Scar III (i7 9750h, RTX 2070) and I am somewhat reluctant on getting a better headset like the Index (they mostly use DP). The USB-C DP 1.4 is shown to not be connected directly in Nvidia Control Panel but I tried connecting an HTC Vive using J5Create HDMI to USB-C adapter and VR games seems to run fine. I use it mostly to play DCS, sometimes beat saber and Arizona Sunshine. I am now curious to see if headsets with actual DP connectors work with my Scar III. there are also certain sources say that results may vary by brand of DP to USB C adapters.
I look forward to your future videos!
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! So glad you're doing this. One thing I think you could monitor for VR:Dips in fps can be much more of a problem for VR than max fps. Might just run through a demanding section and see if it can hold above the refresh rate. Also for the same reason throttling could be a problem, but I think you cover that very well already.
Of course as soon as I thinks about buying a laptop for vr Jarrod's got me covered! Thanks for covering this
haha no problem!
Wow, how great to see such a video right now. Instant thumb's up)
Thanks!
Can't go out because of self quarantine. Play Half Life Alyx where a quarantine is in effect.
Just like the simulations
@@JarrodsTech It's an older meme but it checks out
Yes! Finally a laptop reviewer that will include VR benchmarks.
I've been on a quest to find the ideal setup, the display port part is difficult if your laptop doesn't have a mini display port. You can plug into the thunderbolt 3 but you also need a SPECIFIC adapter that can support high refresh rate as well as higher resolutions.
Hopefully I am able to keep the headset to continue testing it in future laptop reviews!
@@JarrodsTech IF you get into VR and they don't let you keep it then get the Valve Index.
Man this channel deserves way more subs
Thanks!
It’s nice to see Jarrod get something just for fun.
Fun is rare here! Haha
Yay, I‘m very excited now 😊😊
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Great content! I would enjoy to see the performance of some racing simulators in the next videos/laptops
5:40 i'm not sure if you know this already but there's a program called fpsVR which is a Utility for SteamVR for keeping track of FPS, frame time and other performance metrics in the in-game overlay. It works with every game, you just turn your hand and you can see all info ''under'' your hand, it's super good. Would love to see some more VR performance test on laptops!
Please keep doing this. With quest sells so high we wanna know if what newer laptops do in vr! Thanks Jarrod.
This video's subject is interesting. I watched it well. Good luck!!
Thank you!
@@JarrodsTech You're Welcome!!
Knowing the routing of the display port or HDMI port for older VR headset users is very helpful. I purchased the Zenbook Pro Duo after getting confirmation on a few forums that it would work based on the display port routing through TB3 on some MSI laptops, but sadly my Vive Cosmos didn't work with it. I ended up purchasing a dedicated gaming laptop that supported it to bridge the gap (MSI GE63VR-7RF.) A very expensive lesson, but if I had paid attention to your mentioning of it in your review of the MSI Alpha 15, then i may have been able save a bit. Great video, and I look forward to seeing this on future videos!
Maybe also revisit some recent machines that can or can't support this with a video?
Thanks! I did the best possible revisit I could in this video, these were the only machines I had on hand, very unlikely companies will want to ship me models I've already covered to retest for VR unfortunately, sorry but just the way it is. Hopefully if I can keep the headsets I will be able to test additional videos.
@@JarrodsTech Ah, no worries. I didn't think about you having to return the machines post-review. It is still good to see the Alpha 15's results, as I was considering that as a VR laptop back when I purchased the GE63. Do you think the Bravo 15 would do any better with the same graphics card, but better CPUs?
I almost pulled the trigger on purchasing the new Zenbook Pro Duo UX582 last night as I really love everything about it (2 screens, touch, OLED, etc). However, what stopped me was reading some reddit posts about this issue with older models. Also, even though it has a RTX 3080 in it, the refresh rate is only 60hz. I imagine this would be the max for the VR headset too, correct? So trying to run 90fps at 60hz on a game like Halflife: Alyx would probably produce a lot of tearing and probably motion sickness. This is just a guess but I have heard no one talk about refresh rates on laptops and VR headsets. Any ideas or what to look for there?
@@theb1114 I run my Vive Cosmos at 90fps all the time, no issues. The primary display is at 60fps, but the VR headset runs off the dedicated GPU, and at an independent frame rate. I will caution that my older 581 only has the HDMI 2.0 port connected to the GPU, so it took some time to find a converter to Display Port to get my VR headset to run. But now that it does, it’s great. Running an i9-9980HK and RTX 2060 in my machine, so the newer 582 should run 90fps no issues!
Hope this helps!
@@theforrestwalker Yes! That is very helpful and makes a lot of sense too. Thank you for your reply!
Wow, thank goodness you got rid of that intro music and art. It's much cleaner and appreciated how you just get directly into things with your more recent videos
Keep it coming ❤️
Will do!
Best Laptop Reviewer 👌 no doubts
I've been researching Mobile VR Office solutions for the past month now, this helped a lot but I've got a lot of research to do it seems
VR has really started to experience some pretty significant explosion in adaption. It's worth considering to at least test 1-3 VR games every time you do a laptop review. I know it's not PCVR that has really exploded but mostly the Quest. I still think it's worth giving a quick mention. To future proof videos. Also just adding games tested (including VR)
Project Cars 2 has a benchmark that you can use in VR. If you kept your head looking straight ahead, it wouldn’t be perfect, but it would give you an FPS number, and you could run different settings, as in standard games.
Would love to see VR tests on laptop reviews!
Definitely keen for you to review VR, and also interested in your comment about whether thunderbolt usb c is connecting to the dgpu or gpu. That will make a lot of difference to anyone planning on using external displays!
Yeah I will keep testing the ports and what they connect to in the reviews 👍
As always, great video and I'd love to see VR testing added into your reviews - I'm planning on doing VR gaming when I buy a new laptop.
It's either gonna be the MSI GS66 or the Razer Blade 15 advanced 2020.
Do you know if it's possible to undervolt the cpu in the Razer Blade? And will you be doing a review of it when it's out?
i don't think i'ts possible to undervolt 10th gen cpu's
Thanks, no clue about the 10th gen blade, still waiting for availability in Australia, they told me maybe May some time.
I bought a P65 with a 2060 partially based on your review of it. Using it mainly with an Oculus Quest for gaming, and it's a blast (both via Link or wireless via Virtual Desktop)
Review of the g15 and a15 anytime soon? Great video btw i want to get into vr but i cant justify building my own pc since i move around alot for work (obv before covid started).
No ETA, no availability in my country still, waiting.
How do you know what videos I want to see, even when it's a niche thing like this? I'm getting an MSI GS66 with a 2060, and I'd love to see VR testing for it, or something close.
Haha I just know! I tested the GS66 after making this video, it works but you need the Type-C adapter and to disable Optimus mode.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks mate you're a legend.
So glad you did this. You should do some VR headset preformance on your laptops. You can test the value index, Oculus quest and Oculus rift s
Hopefully I'm able to keep the VIVE, good big resolution I think for the testing, but guess we'll see, might have to buy something else if that's not possible if people are keen on seeing it added.
Great Video!
Thanks!
Hey mate, at the start you mentioned you got a type C to mini display port adapter because your laptop didn’t have a display port. But in the images, you use a mini display port in the laptop as well as a type C USB slot.
Glad to see you’re finally getting into VR gaming. Ill have to keep in mind that I can check if a usb-c is connected to the dedicated gpu through Nvidia. For some reason I never would’ve thought of that. 🤣
I think you might need to plug a display in over Type-C (or the headset, some display output) to see that thing in the Nvidia control panel.
Imagine watching special movies with this tech ;-)
:~)
Are you planning to test some other laptops with VR? I would like to see some that you already tested, as what I understood from the beginning of the video, there is no way to know if the usb-c port is connected to de dgpu (correct me in case im wrong)
If you plan on including VR testing for future reviews (desktop and laptop), keep the OpenVR benchmark for comparative purposes then mess around in a combat-heavy section of Half Life: Alyx for a rough idea of gaming performance.
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@JarrodsTech You should also use fpsvr during your playsessions to see if you are dropping/reprojecting any frames. It might seem smooth while you play, but in reality you may already be playing at lower fps with motion smoothing.
Also, why didnt you get the valve index if your are ready to drop almost 1k on a headset? The finger tracking is incredible.
@@douche9217 I did not buy this, HTC lent it to me.
@@douche9217 Index isn't sold in Australia - and while we can grey import them, that stops us getting RMAs if the controller does what Index controllers do and break.
I dont think Half Life is a good benchmark, becasue it basically runs on everything. Its too well optimized
Hey, just wanted to confirm that Oculus Rift S works on Asus Zephyrus GX502 using a USB-C to Mini Display adapter from Cable Matters
Id he happy with just your general opinion when it comes to VR. “This device ran half life alyx well, with no choppiness” would suffice. Very happy as I’m now learning that my laptop is VR capable :)
Can’t wait for your review of the eluktroniks matrix w Ryzen 4800H and RTX 2060
Very nice video! I'm investigating it just the other way around. I have a Rift S, so same DP+USB port combination and want to change to a laptop to be more portable. Question, the issue with DP and Type C is that basically an Optimus issue? And if you can disable optimus it should not be an issue?
The Lenovo Legion 5i is available in my country! Should I go for it? Or wait for Legion 5?
I used to play on a CV1 with a GTX 1060 6GB Desktop. I now own a laptop with an RTX 3060, my CV1 is long gone, but I'm looking to jump into VR again, specially the new Pico 4 or HP Reverb G2. Both of these headsets will/do have 2160x2160 (per eye) displays; that's way above 4K. The problem is, 6GB of VRAM won't cut it at that resolution. Even the quest 2, with the resolution of 1832x1920 (per eye) is really pushing it, as its nearly 4K. So my question is: is a 6GB VRAM laptop still viable for VR gaming with high end headsets in the present day?
Nice timing! Was just looking for a VR headset now that I can't go out.
Perfect!
Yeah this is highest resolution
I ordered the oculus rift s, after watching a lot of reviews and gameplays using it
DONT BUY THIS oh you posted this 5 months ago.
@@j4yson662 whats the best vr headset for a laptop
I know it has been a while since the video but for anyone looking for informations (Like I was), if in the panel at 1:49 you see a DP icon but cannot find one on your computer it's most probably that it's in the form of a USB-C. If you have several USB-C ports on your laptop, try them all until you see the screen wired to the GC. Then you will know which one is the Display Port.
Got a laptop with 1660 Ti and i7-9750H. I get noticable micro-stutter when moving around with smooth locomotion (instead of teleporting) in many games, including Alyx. Do you notice this too?
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It would be nice if you could report CPU and GPU frametime and usage % from FPSVR when looking around in various VR games.
Yes please! I bought a zephyrus g and was disappointed when I couldn't use VR... Though I can stream to the quest using virtual desktop but I can't use the vive or index.
How would VR work on a acer nitro 5 with a gtx 1650? Great review btw it looked fun seeing you struggling to
reloading a gun
Hey Jarrod, is the USB-c port from the gs66 connected directly to the dgpu?
Can you run a test with the asus 15 rtx 2060 version I’m planning on getting that laptop but I want to know if it’s good for vr
I ran my brother's HTC vive on my laptop no problem, I purchased the cosmos elite an I'm stuck on the install where it says the display port isn't communicating. Doing the same where it's playing through Intel gud and not the graphics card. What was your fix?
If I remember correctly, you use an Aero 15, or Aero 15 OLED for your laptop. Would you ever consider switching to one of the new AMD Zephyrus laptops?
Depends if there are any AMD laptops with OLED + SD slot + big battery, basically no AMD creator laptops atm.
@@JarrodsTech Rumor has it the Alienware R3 laptops may come with Ryzen chips down the line...
Hi Jarrod, what laptop do you recommend, the Msi gs66 or the alienware 15 r3, I'm going to buy a laptop for Christmas, maybe i should wait for rtx 3000 laptop?
Never used the AW so can't say, GS66 would have more modern specs though. 3000 laptop graphics won't be around til next year, so depends when you're planning on buying.
If you can wait, definitely wait for rtx 3000 series. Supposedly an rtx 3060 would be as powerful as a 2080 ti. You can also get a cheaper (current Gen/rtx 2000) laptop that has much more performance and better battery life with that same performance after rtx 3000 series laptops are out.
@@subz424 3000 series laptops won't be til next year, really depends how long you plan on waiting, there is always going to be "the next best thing".
Im going to have to ask you to stop reading my mind....first few times was neat but now this is getting a little unnerving. This is kinda like how google maps tells me it will take 20mins to get home when I never told it where I live....
but seriously, great job, This is exactly the sort of information iv been looking into since February.
Hahaha, thanks!
couple questions does it work with a dell laptop. and also best buy has some on sale rn for around 28-100 dollers do u think they will all come with all the stuff i would need
Still waiting for the TUF A15's detailed review from this channel. Only this channel can satisfy me 😤
Me too 😤
Well to all who doesn't know about VR or are looking to get into rn.l, if you find a rift s or quest available, go for it. Cosmos line up, ai personally don't recommend if money is an important factor. I tested odyssey +, htc vive cosmos (last years) and rift s. I'd say odyssey is the best budget, but rift s is good due clarity on lens and oculus touch(controllers). Htc felt like ok or the same for way more money. If that's an issue, look for another or wait
Jarrod do you have any recommendations for gaming laptops with 17inch display, I7-9750h, GTX 2060, 16GB RAM and G-SYNC? Thanks!
Great video 🔥🔥🔥👍👍👊👍👌👍👍👊
Please do a VR Review with the Scar 2 2060 config, thermals are ass on my end so i don't know how well it would do if i had better thermals.
Enjoying Half Life Alyx. Nice one Jarrod's Tech.
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did you notice any pixels or lines on vr? did you think the vr games are less quality than normal ones? is vr worth it?
6:45 you got really good aim bro 😂😂👍
Thanks
how reliable are MSI laptops? ive never considered them in the past but im being forced to consider them now as they are the only ones who have Mini Led HDR 1000 10 bit screens.
Hello Jarrod, I just received my Msi GF75 and its great, but is it normal that my i5 9300h and gtx1660ti only get me 100 average fps on Fortnite on lowest settings ? I saw in one of your benchmarks with the same specs you got 180 average on lowest settings... Do you think there's an issue with my pc, and is there anything I can do to get more fps? I do have single channel 8g of ram, but im going to order 8 extra to have a dual channel 16g, but will this be enough to get me much better results? What can I do?
For aero 15 oled rtx 2070 (non super), would you suggest Vive cosmos or valve index? Also does VR work directly on need some tricks to disable Optimus? Need adaptors or something or does the aero 15 oled have all needed ports to run VR experience with both cosmos and index? Again what would you suggest? I have a third option: pimax 5k+ or 8K XR + index base stations 2.0 and controllers would be a better quality options for the eye and image quality and clarity in your opinion? Or would you stick to cosmos and index? Again, what should be better between cosmos and index for crisp crystal clear quality and no aliasing and good resolution and immersion? Got disappointed from many VR in the past as they give a no clear image and a poor resolution where is even difficult to read letters and too much aliasing... Would like to buy once for all the best solution for my case and never change and need your suggestion, cannot decide among which VR and how to let them work (also consider it will be used on main rig with 2080 ti 9900k and future 10900k 3080ti) so the best quality solution is need beside requirements (if the best quality is given from 8k XR , just suggest it, for 3xample )
I have no experience with other VR headsets so I honestly cannot say, sorry. Does not work with optimus, as mentioned in this video, the port needs to connect directly to the Nvidia GPU. Haven't tested latest Aero 15, but likely connects to Nvidia GPU, you need to test that.
Wait, I'm confused. I have an MSI laptop that also has the only USB-C port connected to the intel graphics card, not the nvidia one. Does that mean the VR headset won't work?
I totally would like to see the best laptops in 2022 that can run PCVR / VR titles.
Sorry for the late comment, but does this work with the MSI GS66? I was wondering since the DisplayPort is wired to the Intel chip (so far as I know)
Jarrod do you believe that the 4000 series will be cheaper than intel cpu on the same laptop?
Nice to know that the Y530 with i5 and 1060 can run Alyx...now I just need to save for the Vive.
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I would like to know if minidp with GP65 【1660ti】 in 2020 can also be linked to Vive cosmos,thank you very much.
hey im thinking of getting the valve index . do you think it would work on a Asus gx502gw?
how do i know if my laptop can run VR games? i have asus tuf fx505dv. is there a benchmark of test i can run ?
I am looking to get a gaming laptop under $2000. I want the most powerful one overall that I can get for that price. What are your recommendations?
Please add beat saber tests somehow as I really want to see how well I can VR beat saber on various laptops. I think people will also be able to judge performance better via a good combination of low end vr games such as beat saber and high end ones like Half Life Alyx. Also could you please do a standard laptop GPU vr testing? Like given the current laptops and the range of GPUs in them, do a 1650 max q vs 1650 vs 1060 vs 1660ti vs 2060 etc to see how well be scales and what is minimum GPU required for low end and high end games. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Not really sure how it will be possible to test that or really any game accurately for the reasons covered in the video :( the benchmark tools seem to be the way to go in terms of reproducibility.
@@JarrodsTech Maybe do a testing with one song of your choice and give a disclaimer to go with it, in the charts iitself that this is only indicative and may not match with your results. Also on the VR tests, please specify the resolution and refresh rate of the VR Headset you are using, if you aren't already doing that.
I have a Think Pad laptop, and it's not a gaming laptop, do you think it would be possible to play VR?
I have a gs65 9se, when I played vr on it, it ran terribly at medium settings, is there anything I could do to solve this cause hlvr was unplayable
hey jarrod today and finally i’ll buy a gaming laptop, would u rather....i5 9300h + gtx 1050 ti or the r5 3550h + 1650. Perfomance for gaming its the only matters for me😁. And ty for answering all my questions before
Do you have a video planned on the RTX 2060 mobile refresh which increased its TGP from 80W to 115W? Aftershock is offering both in similar models, and it's about a 20% increase in price, so I'm curious if it's worth the additional money. Thanks! :)
Yes, just waiting to get the machines.
@@JarrodsTech Awesome, can't wait, thanks!
Looking for the best performance super max q rtx 2080 laptop. Is it the new razer blade 15 advanced model with maxed out specs? Is the Msi gs66 better? Would be nice to see a comparison between those 2 or just a generall comparison which one is the best for gaming and graphicdesign also. greetings
Haven't had a chance to compare them yet, still waiting for Razer to have review unit availability in my country.
The laptop I'm Looking at Buying Right Now has A gtx 1650 Will it be enough To Play Vr games Like Onward and Rec Room etc.?
please do this again with 3070 and 6800m laptops and quest 2 using VR or airlink. thanks
Hey jarrod's tech i wanna buy a gamelaptop as graphics card i want a gtx 1660ti i have 1500 euro to spend wich laptop do you think is the best to buy. The games i play are
ark survival
Minecraft
Assacin oddesy.
Thx👌
would the legion 5p work with this if using a type c adapter or hdmi to dp?
A question related to GS66, because there is only thunderbolt.
If the adapter detect only the Intel GPU, so how it's will work with the nvidia GPU?
So I actually tested the GS66 earlier today (after the video was made), it worked fine as long as I disable Optimus mode and use the Type-C adapter.
Any idea why performance on my triton 500 with Rtx 2070 max q is stuttering badly in Alyx and saints & sinners? I’m using a rift s and have done a full factory restore of my laptop but nothing has improved. Normal games perform well it’s just vr that seems to be the problem, Gpu and cpu usage is pretty low when I check in game.
Not really, that GPU should be plenty, my best guess is single channel memory? That is a common cause of stuttering. Dual channel (2x sticks) should remove it.
Great video!! So usefull! Please can you test VR with a MSI GL65 RTX 2070 laptop? Thank you!
Hi I wanted to Know that should I buy lenovo Y540 I7 and gtx 1660ti or I5 Rtx 2060?
PLZ PUT THE LAPTOP AND HEADSET KIT IN DESCRIPTION!
The laptop VR market is definitely a very niche one. But i believe that what majority would care about is whether or not the VR can run smoothly without frame rate drops in major AAA titles.
Yeah true, but I guess no one really catering to that niche at the moment? At least not really that I've seen.
would 3070 in laptop work? I am looking for a portable PCVR experience
i wana see you test some ways to use a laptop as a VR backpack lol, it has everything it needs and more, it could definitely work
Yeah sounds interesting, I thought about that.
So I'm getting a MSI GS66 With a rtx 3060 and a core i7 you thik steamvr will run good on it
Can u play vr on a hp laptop ? Pls respond I’m planning on buying a vr but I’m scared it won’t work on my hp laptop
Do some VR tests with 5 laptops you've got yesterday
So does this mean that zephyrus g14 can't be used for VR at all? Or does it work trough the usb-C port (and adapter)?
Edit:
according to pcworld.com the usb-c port is wired to graphics card in zephyrus g14
I did not have Type-C monitor to test its port when I had it available, so cannot say, sorry.
@@JarrodsTech never mind i found the info elsewhere :) thanks anyway and keep up the good work
Razer Blade Advanced 2019 (RTX2080 MQ wth 240 hz) or Zephryus S GX502GW (RTX2070MP with 240 hz with g-sync/optimus)?
how do the temps compare between vr games and standard games?