Yep. It’s an “equivalency”. Basically “the amount of energy this vehicle takes to go 100 miles, is equivalent to the energy used by a gas car that gets 49 MPG and it only applies when using electric battery (since that portion says 0.0 gallons).” Once battery is dead it’s 20MPG. We learned this as we started test driving. Little bit of let down but still love it.
And to make matters even worse, the 49 MPGe isn't even something dealerships should brag about, it's as bad as the 20 mpg when the gas engine runs, that said, the Wrangler 4xe is an amazing vehicle, the absolute best Wrangler I've owned.
YES! Exactly. 49 MPGe is actually pretty bad from the perspective of electrified platforms. But we would expect a number that low from a Jeep Wrangler.
Yes and no. Compared to many other alternative fuel platforms, it’s not very good. It’s a good number compared to the 20 mpg if you can run it in electric only mode. That’s a very big if though. So big of an if that it’s very hard for most buyers to justify the steep 4Xe premium.
A sales person would NEVER mislead their customer!!!!! Blasphemy! (100% sarcasm - lol ) Thank you for explaining this, Pastor! The "49e" is all marketing to grab someone's attention. Unfortunately, it's meant to be misleading.
My hope is that the salespeople who have communicated that truly don’t understand what MPGe is. As for Jeep marketing that figure, I struggle with their use of it. When they post that number really large on a video screen at auto shows, I have to question the intent there.
I just rented one and drove about 1100 miles... Averaged 14.75.... Never got to really use the battery... I figured the purely ice one would've done better.
@@almaiorino5103 If you can cover the trip in electric mode, use electric. For long trip, Hybrid mode. Esave is the least efficient mode. The idea behind esave is to save the battery for later. It isn’t a “gas mode” as a lot of people like to say. It just biases the hybrid system to either charge the battery or hold the charge where it is. Either one comes at the cost of using more gas because of the second law of thermodynamics.
Just drove one of these a few hours ago because of all the rebates going on, and it's peppy for sure! Didn't realize how bad they are on the highway for MPG, as this is where it will spend a lot of time and in the mountains.
In the ideal environment it is great...we regularly get 50 mpg+ overall. For us that means 750mi for around 14 gallons. We live in a small town and can do most of our days on battery only. When it's time to head to the city the gas engine fires up and we burn the fuel. A great result for us is 1,000 miles before next fueling.
If you are referring to the MPG on the dash, that’s not really MPG because it is calculating miles traveled via electrical energy. It’s calculating both electric miles and gas engine miles. That’s two fuel sources but only one efficiency calculation. It would be better if the 4XE had both an MPG and MPkWh gauge. What I’m talking about in the video is how MPGe is mistaken for MPG. And no, what the dash calculator gives us isn’t MPGe either since MPGe is an efficiency rating when in electric mode only. Someone coined the term “Miles Per Gallonwatt” to describe that number on the dash. It’s a nonsense word but it sort of works.
Must be frustrating to try and get that point across. I have another question, I noticed in the 4xe specifications on the website Jeep recommends Premium fuel. The EPA doesn't specify this as they do for gas vehicles and I'm not sure thier fuel calculations reflect premium prices? Do use premium fuel in your 4xe?
Both the regular manual and the hybrid supplement manual say 87 is fine. I also have a video here on this channel where I had a conversation with one of the engineers on the 4XE project who said 87 is fine.
It's even worst than this, it basically means you would have to charge the 4xe three times to complete 100 miles on electricity alone, and that is best estimate, then just calculate how much $$$ it requires to charge the 17kwh battery from 0% to 100%. The last detail is very important because the first 20% cost nothing then next 60% is normal load and the last 20% cost you much more to recharge. Here in Washington it cost $3.30 let that sink in a minute. Gas is $4.10 per gallon at the pump and the 2.0L Wrangler does 23MPG or 25MPG best estimate.
@@nikolavonfulton5195So it’s a tough question to answer without qualifying my answer. When using hybrid mode while charged, the system will run in just electric unless demand is high enough to require the engine to run. It will actually do the same thing on electric mode but the demand threshold is higher for engine start. You can force it in to a “blended” hybrid mode by pulling the shifter to the left in to a manual shift mode. That forces the gas engine to run but it’s always a hybrid. In either case, it will get about 33 “MPG” during that state. It’s not a pure MPG number because it’s using electrical energy too. But for about 60+ miles, you can average about 33 MPG.
I tell people that finding out the true MPG of an EV or PHEV is a constantly changing formula, because the price of gas and electricity fluctuate. It's similar to comparing the USD to the spot price of gold. If all of a sudden gas were to miraculously go down to $.50 a gallon (not holding my breath) we 1,000% would never charge and use only fuel. For us, EV usage is for cost savings only. With that being said, after the calculation, we average about 42MPG driving about 60% on EV mode, 40% on gas, calculated for 93 octane.
People who don’t understand Plug in hybrids always get mad in these situations. You can ABSOLUTELY get 49mpg with the EV and gas combined, you just have to know when and where to use the electric. It’s not just a plug and play. Plug ins are incredible.
@@antieveryone362 Technicall no. MPG is only measuring liquid fuel. Yes, you can get the gauge to say 49 MPG. Yes, I have seen high “MPG” figured on my Fuelly app. Once it even said I got 372.7 MPG. But that’s due to all of the electric miles I achieved which means it’s not MPG. We can’t calculate MPG alone while adding another source of non-liquid energy to the scenario.
Just waiting for the class action suit to drop. 😂
Love my 4xe and am hovering around 36 mpge, Still love it and would buy another down the road. Thanks.
Yep. It’s an “equivalency”. Basically “the amount of energy this vehicle takes to go 100 miles, is equivalent to the energy used by a gas car that gets 49 MPG and it only applies when using electric battery (since that portion says 0.0 gallons).” Once battery is dead it’s 20MPG. We learned this as we started test driving. Little bit of let down but still love it.
Great description 👍
And to make matters even worse, the 49 MPGe isn't even something dealerships should brag about, it's as bad as the 20 mpg when the gas engine runs, that said, the Wrangler 4xe is an amazing vehicle, the absolute best Wrangler I've owned.
YES! Exactly. 49 MPGe is actually pretty bad from the perspective of electrified platforms. But we would expect a number that low from a Jeep Wrangler.
Yes and no. Compared to many other alternative fuel platforms, it’s not very good. It’s a good number compared to the 20 mpg if you can run it in electric only mode. That’s a very big if though. So big of an if that it’s very hard for most buyers to justify the steep 4Xe premium.
A sales person would NEVER mislead their customer!!!!! Blasphemy! (100% sarcasm - lol ) Thank you for explaining this, Pastor! The "49e" is all marketing to grab someone's attention. Unfortunately, it's meant to be misleading.
My hope is that the salespeople who have communicated that truly don’t understand what MPGe is. As for Jeep marketing that figure, I struggle with their use of it. When they post that number really large on a video screen at auto shows, I have to question the intent there.
I just rented one and drove about 1100 miles... Averaged 14.75.... Never got to really use the battery... I figured the purely ice one would've done better.
14.75 seems pretty low. Were you calculating at the pump or going off the dash?
Just got a 4xe. Not for the mpgs. Love Wranglers and got a good deal. What are the best settings for best mpg? Mostly local but some highway driving.
@@almaiorino5103 If you can cover the trip in electric mode, use electric. For long trip, Hybrid mode. Esave is the least efficient mode. The idea behind esave is to save the battery for later. It isn’t a “gas mode” as a lot of people like to say. It just biases the hybrid system to either charge the battery or hold the charge where it is. Either one comes at the cost of using more gas because of the second law of thermodynamics.
Just drove one of these a few hours ago because of all the rebates going on, and it's peppy for sure!
Didn't realize how bad they are on the highway for MPG, as this is where it will spend a lot of time and in the mountains.
Thank you
Good point.
Ive had my 4xe for 4 days and its averaging 16 mpg. Im so confused...
Are you looking at the dash calculator? It’s not the most accurate.
In the ideal environment it is great...we regularly get 50 mpg+ overall. For us that means 750mi for around 14 gallons. We live in a small town and can do most of our days on battery only. When it's time to head to the city the gas engine fires up and we burn the fuel. A great result for us is 1,000 miles before next fueling.
If you are referring to the MPG on the dash, that’s not really MPG because it is calculating miles traveled via electrical energy. It’s calculating both electric miles and gas engine miles. That’s two fuel sources but only one efficiency calculation. It would be better if the 4XE had both an MPG and MPkWh gauge.
What I’m talking about in the video is how MPGe is mistaken for MPG. And no, what the dash calculator gives us isn’t MPGe either since MPGe is an efficiency rating when in electric mode only.
Someone coined the term “Miles Per Gallonwatt” to describe that number on the dash. It’s a nonsense word but it sort of works.
Totally agree...we travel 750-1000 miles per 14-15 gallons of actual fuel used. It's really mainly because of small town living.@@Wrangler4XEFans
@matthewgrass9439 it ceases to be mpg if you're also charging the battery
Must be frustrating to try and get that point across. I have another question, I noticed in the 4xe specifications on the website Jeep recommends Premium fuel. The EPA doesn't specify this as they do for gas vehicles and I'm not sure thier fuel calculations reflect premium prices? Do use premium fuel in your 4xe?
Both the regular manual and the hybrid supplement manual say 87 is fine. I also have a video here on this channel where I had a conversation with one of the engineers on the 4XE project who said 87 is fine.
The key word in the specs is 'recommends', not 'required'.
It's even worst than this, it basically means you would have to charge the 4xe three times to complete 100 miles on electricity alone, and that is best estimate, then just calculate how much $$$ it requires to charge the 17kwh battery from 0% to 100%. The last detail is very important because the first 20% cost nothing then next 60% is normal load and the last 20% cost you much more to recharge. Here in Washington it cost $3.30 let that sink in a minute. Gas is $4.10 per gallon at the pump and the 2.0L Wrangler does 23MPG or 25MPG best estimate.
They Got me 😂
So runing in hybrid mode what is your mpg?
Once the battery hits
@@Wrangler4XEFans what is it is you run hybrid mode with the battery fully charged?
@@nikolavonfulton5195So it’s a tough question to answer without qualifying my answer.
When using hybrid mode while charged, the system will run in just electric unless demand is high enough to require the engine to run. It will actually do the same thing on electric mode but the demand threshold is higher for engine start.
You can force it in to a “blended” hybrid mode by pulling the shifter to the left in to a manual shift mode. That forces the gas engine to run but it’s always a hybrid.
In either case, it will get about 33 “MPG” during that state. It’s not a pure MPG number because it’s using electrical energy too. But for about 60+ miles, you can average about 33 MPG.
I tell people that finding out the true MPG of an EV or PHEV is a constantly changing formula, because the price of gas and electricity fluctuate. It's similar to comparing the USD to the spot price of gold.
If all of a sudden gas were to miraculously go down to $.50 a gallon (not holding my breath) we 1,000% would never charge and use only fuel. For us, EV usage is for cost savings only.
With that being said, after the calculation, we average about 42MPG driving about 60% on EV mode, 40% on gas, calculated for 93 octane.
Rented one for roadtrip 17 gallon x 49=833 i thought lol
It doesnt get 20mpg either. Its the most energy ignorant vehicle I have ever driven.
@@brenthiles3650 I normally get 22. I used to get 24 before the lift and tires.
People who don’t understand Plug in hybrids always get mad in these situations. You can ABSOLUTELY get 49mpg with the EV and gas combined, you just have to know when and where to use the electric. It’s not just a plug and play. Plug ins are incredible.
@@antieveryone362 Technicall no. MPG is only measuring liquid fuel. Yes, you can get the gauge to say 49 MPG. Yes, I have seen high “MPG” figured on my Fuelly app. Once it even said I got 372.7 MPG. But that’s due to all of the electric miles I achieved which means it’s not MPG. We can’t calculate MPG alone while adding another source of non-liquid energy to the scenario.