Orthodoxy And Catholicism - Why The One Church Split
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- In this video, Fr. Theophan Mackey discusses the basic differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism.
Fr. Theophan Mackey
St. Job of Pochaiv Orthodox Church, Los Alamos, NM
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Awesome explanation of the important theological differences. I’m currently converting from Mormonism to Orthodoxy ☦️ I love this channel
Glory to Jesus Christ! ☦️❤️
So glad to hear this. All glory to God! ☦️
I would love to hear your conversion story. If you don't mind typing it out. Like, what made you realize mormonism was incorrect and why Orthodoxy is correct over other Eastern Catholic Churchs?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
I was raised Mormon, educated in Catholic School and have been Orthodox for nearly 35 years. Being introduced to the Sacred Traditions of the Apostles immediately filled my being and satisfied instantly a longing I didn’t even know I had. To this day I can rarely make it through a Liturgy without weeping not because of my goodness but because I now Know what Christ requires of me and I can see the vast distance I have yet to travel to approach satisfying his expectations. But that’s what Orthodoxy is all about, the journey, and not a destination as none of us can truly make a complete accounting before the fearsome and awesome judgment seat of Christ rather the best accounting is all we can work for diligently in Christs love understanding. Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me a sinner.
how exactly are you going to covert to Orthodoxy?
Thank you Fr. I’m Catholic and I love the Orthodox Church . 💯💒🙏🏽
Great to hear. I'm Catholic and wish all the best for the Orthodox Church.
Ecumenical or not.
I’ve observed that Orthodox online typically do not reciprocate this love to Catholics. In fact, it seems like many groups specifically hate the Catholic Church, but Orthodoxy is seldom attacked
@@jordanp3470 i see Catholics attacking others quite often.
Raised non religious but very interested in the Orthodox Church. Thanks for the videos
Thank you for watching! 🙏
I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
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It is the only body of Christ the only unchanged one please be saved by 100% righteous faith of true body of God
TH-cam Jay Dyer, Father Paul Trueenback, Stephen Freeman, and read the Desert Fathers, the homilies of Issac the Syrian, Gregory Palamas on the essence/energy issue, Max the Confessor and Saint Spyridon regarding the Holy trinity, get a copy of both the way of the Pilgrim, and the Philokalia. Read two great modern saints of the twentieth century Paisios and Porphyrios. Read about the seven ecumenical councils, and most of all congratulations on your journey into Eastern Orthodoxy where Jesus Christ is one person with two nature's, fully human and fully divine. Never just a small sample to help you on your journey. Remember there are many saints, who upon reading you will learn that's it all about humility. Many of these saints had the gift of clairvoyancy and desernment but prayed to God take away these abilities so as not to let vainglory and pride overtake them. God love you.
I have to say, he emphasized the same theological issues we have had forever, I am Roman Catholic and I appreciate the acknowledgement of being an Apostolic Church. Much more charitable take. I pray for unity! God bless you father!
No unity - instead, feel free to denounce the herecy and convert to the Orthodox Christianity :)
Yes, they have retained the Truth well, but the split was not God's Will. It was caused by a pride by refusing to accept the supremacy of the Pope. I remember Blessed Mother's words on this (forgot now from what source); She lamented the schism for, although they retained the Truth, it caused weakening of the Church, like a tree, splitted into two by a lightening strike and weakened, but still shares the same root.
The Truth of the Supremacy of Papacy is clearly found from the Bible and the Catechism, for all the prophecies of the end times deal with the Catholic Church and not Orthodox churches (which are also separated into different hierarchy depending on a country -- Greek, Russian, etc.). For example, Catechism #675 and 677 state that, before the second coming of Christ, the Church MUST follow Her Lord to Calvary, Death, and Resurrection for purification and renewal of the Church and world. The fulfillment of this Dogma is here, as we are now living through the prophesied events in 2 Thes 2:1-12 and the mystery of the iniquity (2 Thes 2:7) -- that's why we have had two popes (one True -- Benedict XVI; and the other false, as seen in the vision of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich and prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi, non-canonically elected and destroyer), and great apostasy (2 Thes 2:3) in the Church. God never allows anything to happen before revealing them through his prophets (Amos 3:7) so that His faithful ones may be prepared for the events.
With the passing of Benedict XVI (on 12/31/2022), the restrainer, Katechon, has been removed and, therefore, the antichrist will soon appear in public (2 Thes 2:7-8), who will be the head of the 1 world religion, followed by schism after the denial of real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist by a false pope, banning of the daily Sacrifice of the Mass (Daniel 12:11), abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15), and fiercest persecutions of the Church (Rev 12:17, 13:10) for 3.5 years (Daniel 12:11-12, Rev 12:14). But God will protect His Church as promised in Matt 16:18, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her" and His faithful remnants (Ps 91). All prophecies of the end times will be fulfilled as written in our generation.
After the Schism, the Church will elect the last pope in St. Malachy's prophecy, 'Peter, the Roman', who will lead the Church through the Antichrist's persecutions, during which the Church will go underground, like the early Church during the Roman persecutions. I believe, Orthodox churches will then be re-united to the Catholic Church, and there will only be One True Church.
We are the generation specially chosen by God, from the beginning of the creation, to follow in the footsteps of Our Lord to Calvary, Immolation, and Resurrection, for the Praise and Glory of His Name. Let us, therefore, be prepared spiritually for the coming events by praying to God for the graces we need, so that we may fulfill whatever tasks given to us in a perfect manner for His Glory. Let us not fear, but face the coming events in Peace, for He will never leave, nor forsake His faithful, and His grace will be sufficient for us to fulfill the task perfectly (2 Cor 12:9) and remain faithful to the end (Rev 2:10). Amen!
We do not know who the Katechon is, nor do we know that ours is THE generation chosen by God, "...etc." I am a Latin too, and I would caution you against making certain assumptions without a definitive teaching from the magisterium, since it does not identify explicitly the Katechon or the generation to undergo the eschaton.
@@user-ud9tk4qg6t If one pays attention to the Heaven's messages given through chosen instruments (For example, Luz de Maria), one would understand the time we are in and who is the Katechon.
Excerpts from Blessed Mother's Message No. 407 to Father Gobbi, Marian Movement of Priests (on 666 and the 3rd manifestation of Satan in human history): "In this period of time around year 3x666=1998, Freemasonry, assisted by its ecclesiastical form, will succeed in its great design: that of setting up an idol to put in the place of Christ and His Church. A false christ and a false church. Consequently, the statue built in honor of the first beast, to be adored by all the inhabitants of the earth and which will seal with its mark all those who want to buy or sell, is that of the Antichrist. You have thus arrived at the peak of the purification, the great tribulation, and the apostasy. The apostasy will be, as of then, generalized because almost all will follow the false christ and the false church. Then the door will open for the appearance of the man or the very person of the Antichrist.
I have wanted to enlighten you concerning the pages of the Apocalypse to prepare you with Me for the most painful and decisive part of the great struggle fought out between your Heavenly Mother and all the forces of evil which have been let loose. Take courage! Be strong, My little children. To you befalls the duty, in these difficult years, of remaining faithful to Christ and His Church, putting up with hostility, struggle, and persecution. But you are a precious part of the little flock, which has the task of fighting against and, in the end, conquering the powerful force of the Antichrist. I am forming you all, defending you, and blessing you!"
Fulfillment of the above prophecy of the Blessed Mother is here. Let us be ready and do our Duty to remain faithful to Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church until the end. Let us not fear, but face the coming events in Peace, for He will never leave, nor forsake His faithful, and His grace will be sufficient for us to fulfill the task perfectly, whatever it may be (2 Cor 12:9), and remain faithful to the end (Rev 2:10). Amen!
The Christian Church did not split at all, it has remained one even today. The church that did not want to respect what was decided by consensus in seven synods recognized by all Christians and wanted the fame of this world left Christianity and divided into thousands of sects, becoming the mother of sects. Before the Great Schism of 1054, the Christian Church consisted of five equal and fraternal Christian churches, called the Holy Pentarchy: the Church of Alexandria, the Church of Jerusalem, the Church of Antioch, the Church of Constantinople, and the Church of Rome. After 1054 what would become the mother of sects was no longer part of Christianity. Jesus Christ made it clear who did not follow the right path: the four fraternal churches which do not make a decision without the consent of all and which are now all called orthodox or the papist sect which has no sacrament, dogma or custom unmodified and is now the one that gave birth to sects. The only church that was in the Holy Pentarchy and that does not have Jesus Christ as head of the Church, so it is non-Christian, is the former Church of Rome.
As a Catholic I think this is a wonderful explanation of Orthodoxy differences & beliefs. Thank you!
Haha aswell. I'm catholic but we are a minority in our community and i got asked to the difference between Catholicism and orthodoxy and I didnt know where to begin. I just told them Google it because else you're going to hear me ramble for a good few hours 😂. This was nice and succinct
This is not showing differences, this is showing true and false ways my popes boy
@@Shugran You're pope? Interesting comment. I'm sure God's plan for you was to make divisive comments with other Christians. Way to go hero!
@@hosatk in pope I mean pope, not my pope but your😀 don't be angry, just fact, true cannot be has two ways
@@ShugranWell you said "my pope", so... Your comments aren't worthy of my anger, just intellectually empty.
I'm so pleasantly surprised by this. When I first heard about the rise of Protestant conversions to Orthodoxy in America, particularly among Evangelical Christians, I thought it was all just an overblown story but I keep hearing more and more about this growing trend. It makes perfect sense though as I strongly believe that people are sick and tired of seeing Christianity slowly but surely being watered down in the west with Protestant Church leaders constantly kowtowing to the culture of the day. The Orthodox Church is just about the last Church standing that refuses to compromise its doctrine to appease the world. America you are on a good path if your people continue with this trend. I'll make sure to pray for more converts.
Slava na Otecot, Sinot I Svetiot Duh Amin ☦☦☦🙏🙏🙏
They aren't just bringing in Protestants. Their more intellectual approach to theology is bringing in people like me who once considered myself atheist.
No, the EO - or any particular EO - is not the Church established by Jesus. It is a separated entity from the Church and kept a lot of truth, yet separated remains separated.
Read and learn there are as many modernists currents on Orthodoxy as in the rest of the Church. It's an at all levels attack by the enemy
There are more reasons to claim it's the Roman Catholicism that separated from the Church by changing the Creed and thus distorting the Bible, to say nothing about later heretical innovations
I am catholic and never in my life someone explained to me these differences so clearly. I am still searching for so many explanations from both churches but I definitely have big respect for Orthodoxy.
Byzantine Eastern Rite Catholics prove we could one day sit down, settle the schism and repair the relationship.
Can you imagine what the world would look like if everyone was in communion again?
It would be nice. Nay, would be daggum beautiful. However, in my opinion that ain't gonna happen. The past thousand years has had too much death, sorrow, hatred, bitterness, etc. It'll take a long time for such wounds to be healed.
Yes. Then on that say, we'll be able to deal with the biggest heresy ever, Protestantism
Unitaism is a barrier to reunification and no it doesn't prove anything - the Uniates still have to bow to the Pope lol
I was raised Catholic and became Evangelical at 21.Now, in my mid 60's I'm praying exploring the Orthodox Church.
God bless you in this endeavor!
Have you attended a Divine Liturgy yet?
It kind of sounds like the devil is having fun with you.
If the devil is keeping you confused in what you believe in and how you believe it until you die then it will be easier for him to drag you down to hell I think.
I suggest that you pray to The Father and to Christ for their help so that you will find the proper denomination and not flip flop all over the place for the rest of your life.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. Does your Bishop know youre giving spiritual advice online?
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. If someone finds true faith, especially The One Orthodox Church, there just can't be any mention of that abominable-non to ever mention. The God and the Love of god lead this person through the journey. Peace and love of God be with you brother too! Welcome dear sister!
I feel this so much. Former Episcopalian too. Now Orthodox.
Thank you for watching ☦️🙏
Your channel is brilliant. I’m inquiring into Orthodoxy and these bitesize videos are really helpful to someone who is new to these concepts. Thank you
Thank you! Glory to Jesus Christ ☦️
Discover more and more about the Orthodox life and you will find the true way of life then. Feeling special being orthodox. I am from Tigrai Ethiopia which is one of the ORTHODOXY NATIONS IN THE WORLD AND STILL ONE OF THE HISTORICAL ORTHODOX SITES TO VISIT.
Great dear sis!
I am really liking this channel. Growing up in American Protestant circles and now for the past 15 years, a non denominational Christian church with charismatic beliefs; this is refreshing and I long for the Orthodox way of life.
Find a parish and start attending. Vespers is a good service to start with. I remember my first visits and how pleasantly surprised I was that the liturgy chants and hymns had so much scripture I recognized.
As a Catholic I absolutely love my Orthodox brothers and sisters, may God bless us. Christos Anesti!
Please don’t stop posting. Your videos are helping me on my journey to discover truth
Thank you ☦️🙏 May God Bless You on your Journey
@@RootsofOrthodoxy totally incorrect understanding of Jesus Christ and the blessed Virgin Mary. Orthodox Church is lost and needs to understand the theology
@@RootsofOrthodoxy so what is your opinion on Padre Pio, St John Vianney, St charbel, St Kasaab Al-Hardini, St Carlo Acutis, St Faustina?
The Orthodox church are great brothers in the kingdom
As a Roman Catholic I love this explanation. I truly feel myself drawn to Orthodoxy.
Go to a Divine Liturgy, talk with the priest!
as a former roman catholic, come and see! Visit a church talk to the priest and the parishoners.
I completely agree. (also RC)I was so overwhelmed with the beauty of divine liturgy, I was in tears. I'm now an inquirer and hoping to become a catechumen soon.
Don’t make any rash decisions. I would make sure to discuss your concerns with a Catholic priest as well.
Wouldn’t you think a Catholic Priest would do everything they can for them not to convert. That would be the last person I would ask.
as a R.C, a lot of us questioned whether or not a newborn would go to hell upon their death. I know that I share the same ideology of the eastern orthodox. I can understand why Benedict would say that the orthodox is stuck in the eighth century, however there a lot of R.C that want a more traditional church. I like your take on original sin as well, since I thought about that as well.
it's the Catholic church and not the" Roman" Catholic church.You don't even know that much.
my rite is Roman Catholic, I am not Ukranian Catholic, or anything else for that matter.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504The Orthodox Church teaches that it is the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church from which Rome broke away officially in 1054. Hence the church that teaches that its head is a bishop, a Pope and not Jesus Christ is known as the Roman Catholic church.
Holly Spirit comes on Holly Saturday for Orthodox Easter, by the Prayers of Orthodox Bishop every Year through Holly Fire The True Religion Orthodox ☦☦☦🙏🙏🙏Glory to God ☦🙏☦🙏☦🙏
'Roman' Catholic Church can be used. @@wolfthequarrelsome504
Leaving my traditional Lutheran church was hard. I almost went to the RC. Was almost identical to what I had grown up with.
However, there were still too many teachings that I could see sprouted out of nowhere. I saw truth and a solid foundation in the first 1000 years, but after that until the reformation just didnt make sense.
Que Holy Orthodoxy. I cant explain how it gripped me. But I am home. I have grown in Christ so much more than I though possible.
Congratulations bro. At lleast you havent stayed Protestant. I hope that both Orthadox Church and Catholic Church can have a council together someday.
I’m a traditional Confessional Lutheran. I’ve been feeling pretty disillusioned lately, like it’s just watered down Catholicism. So I’m looking into that, but I have some issues with the RC church, too. I’ve started looking into Orthodoxy, and I’m not entirely convinced here, either. Nothing feels quite right. I’ve been praying for clarity and I’m not feeling much at all.
@oatmealtruck7811 I get it, sister. I started feeling disillusioned about 4 years ago. I didn't have anything against my Lutheran heritage. Just a slow understanding that there was something not quite right. I'm still very grateful to have grown up Lutheran compared to many other modern Protestant sects. It gave me so much.
God didn't answer me immediately. Not until I was so frustrated I started to doubt religion entirely. (Though I didn't give up on God.)
Whatever happens, God is faithful. All things in His time. I pray for your future, your faith, and your walk.
@@MajorMustang1117 I agree - I’m certainly glad I grew up Lutheran instead of, you know, fog-machine-light-show-Christian (yikes). I appreciate your prayers and kind words. (I’m your sister in Christ, btw, nbd)
@@oatmealtruck7811 hahaha 😆 OK sister. 👍 fixed it. My B.
Thank you so much, Father. I learned a lot from this video. I’m seriously considering converting to Orthodoxy. Please pray for me. I’m Roman Catholic.
You're welcome. Anything I can do.
Don’t leave the fullness of truth brother
@@kyleellis8665 the fullness of truth is found in the Orthodox Church, as admitted by the Papacy
@@hippiosshow me where please
No, don't convert, why ?! you are already CHRISTIAN !! please just continue to breath for CHRIST. The catholic church has given you everything. Most importantly JESUS has given you the the Holy sacrement , like Confession, the Holy Eucharist .May you continue living with JESUS like you do. GOD bless you
As a Catholic, I love you my Orthodox brother and I love your church. Even though we have differences, we still have much in common.
as Orthodox they don't love you back the same.
The Orthodox (as true Christians) are obliged to love every human being, even the worst enemies, but that doesn't mean agreeing with false teachings or heresies
@@mjramirez6008 Forgive us for any lack of grace we Orthodox have shown you. ❤️☦️
@@mjramirez6008typical jealous Lil Orthobro behaviour.
Awesome explanation! Thank you from a convert to orthodoxy. I’m learning a lot. Always learning. Thanks be to God☦️🕊️🙏🏽
So many Orthodox positions are intuitive to me. I've believed them before I knew about Orthodoxy. Great video.
Father you are right. I met Michael Rogers, Father Theopan Warren, and Bishop Grasim at Saint Sarphim Orthodox Cathedral in Dallas and I am on way to the Orthodox Church. Great video. Very respectfully Chaplain Brian Merk
Thank God!
Beautiful explanation 🙏🏻.
Greeting from Germany! God bless you!
I was raised a Roman Catholic, became an atheist at 15 and born again at 17, converted to Evangelical Protestantism at 19, and was welcomed into the Holy Orthodox Church at 23 after about a year of study on the Feast of Holy Pentecost. Thank you for these videos!
The Holy Orthodox Church? Please show me one document from tradition or Ecumenical council where the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church identified itself as the Orthodox Church.
@@SAHOVNICUExactly
@@SAHOVNICUOh boy lol pope cope huh
Praise God 🙏🏼
@@xxFairestxx
Where is my document from tradition or Ecumenical council with the name of your sect on it; Orthodox Church?
The Anglicans, Lutherans and Baptists, too, claim to be the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, i can't find their churches in tradition either.
Eloquent and articulate explanation here. I'm Catholic and have participated in discussions on these differences before but have never quite grasped the concepts as well as they were succinctly explained here. Thank you! Bless you!
Love the clarity this video provides. Even though I’ve been an Orthodox Christian for many years, this helps me to express the differences more clearly to others seeking the Ancient Faith. Thank you! 🙏🏻❤️
The same here
Absolutely loved this! Thank you💖
Great clarity thank you, blessings 🙏🏾🌹
Wow! This is good. I'm pretty well versed in Protestant and Catholic faith but this throws a wrench into it all. I gotta look this up. Great video man!
Feel free to ask any questions
This is so beautiful
Keep going with this great Orthodox channel
God bless
Thank you for sharing your experience and the Church history from an Orthodox perspective.
Thank you Father for the teaching.
First, thank you for speaking so respectfully about such difficult topics. It’s a real sign of charity on your part. But…
“Why do you choose the Orthodox Church? Because we still have the same creed as we did in the very beginning.” That’s not exactly accurate. We both agree that the creeds had to develop to combat heresies. Some updating is good, and it happened before the filioque. Your idea that Orthodoxy has changed less, therefore it’s better, should really be examined to see if changes are needed. I bet we both agree that the filioque addition was an attempt to fight a serious heresy at the time. You can argue that the filioque is poorly articulated (although many Orthodox saints had no problem with the concept) and you can argue that an addition to the creed wasn’t needed (Eastern Catholics don’t say the filioque at Divine Liturgy either) but I don’t totally get how to square your view with needed responses to heresies in the Church.
Also, I don’t think it’s fair to say that the Orthodox and the Catholic view on original sin and the Immaculate Conception is all that different. But that’s for another time, maybe.
Thank you for the video.
God Bless you Father Brown. I appreciate the work you're doing.
As mere laity, I would like to point out that the instability of the Catholic church over the last 1000 years makes it too difficult for me to believe that the instability is somehow justified or was pragmatically necessary. I would further say that on a philosophical level, modern progressivism and atheism traces its roots through Protestantism and into ancient Catholic scholasticism.
The epistemic reliance on your own personal deductions being more important than any other evidence is at its core the same ideology that produced Catholic innovations, Protestant heresies (it is the basis of Sola Scriptura) the Enlightenment, numerous travesties such as Communism, the Great Awakening (and every Protestant schism ever), and the modern Progressive movement in all its increasing stupidity.
This ideological underpinning is a poison, and no amount of it can be left or allowed to fester. This is why we must stick to tradition and stop innovating just because it makes sense to us to do so. The notion that "it makes sense" is an indicator of truth is a core facet of western thought, and that is why Western Christianity has gone the way it is presently going while the East has stayed more stable.
I say all this in great respect to your position. Thank you for reading.
Father, this is the best 10mins I spent watching TH-cam in a long time. Thank you!😊
Thank you for making this video, Fr. Theophan! It is very informative.
You're welcome!
Brethern, please respect each other as this man does for all of us. We've differing theology but that doesn't mean we should hate each other.
Thanks for the video Father, and your conversion story is beautiful. However, I think your painting of the Catholic Church is rather simplistic. I don't say this viewing you or anyone as an adversary; on the contrary, I long for communion between East and West, though there are many obstacles standing in the way currently. With that said, I am by no means an expert in any field pertaining to this. So I am not going to go outside the bounds of my own knowledge of Church history, nor try and fail to explain the intricacies of Trinitarian theology, but for anyone watching this, don't just take for granted what is being said here. TLDR: The history of Christ's Church is not simple. The differences between East and West are not as big as one might think, and the causes of the Great Schism are far more complicated than depicted here in this video or elsewhere on Orthodox youtube or Catholic youtube for that matter, lest we forget that these two Churches were one (not without a bumpy ride) for 1000 years.
There are too many points discussed in this video for me to unravel in the comment section in a concise manner, and I understand that Father Theophan probably wanted to keep this video brief, so that likely informed his abridged commentary on these topics. I'll just address a couple of the major points. The great schism didn't just "happen" in 1054 over the Pope claiming universal jurisdiction. The filioque didn't just appear out of nowhere in the 900s AD. The story goes a lot deeper than that, and with the broader context, the clean and clear path leading to Orthodoxy that Father Theophan is painting here is quite a bit more murky. Take for example that several of the first 7 ecumenical councils affirmed a unique primacy, authority, and honor held by the Pope/Rome in their canons, or that St. Augustine, who lived in the 300s and 400s AD, appears pretty clearly to have taught the filioque in several instances (here is 1 example: "Why, then, should we not believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from the Son, when he is the Spirit also of the Son? For if the Holy Spirit did not proceed from him, when he showed himself to his disciples after his resurrection he would not have breathed upon them, saying, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’ [John 20:22]. For what else did he signify by that breathing upon them except that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from him”). Furthermore, there are examples of a teaching with a resemblance to the Filioque preceding Augustine as well as following him.
There is also the question of adapting the creed itself. Did the Nicene Creed of 325 AD not become the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed after the Council of Constantinople in 381AD? The answer is yes, it did. The text for the Creed that we use today comes from Constantinople I held in 381. Why did this happen... was it perhaps to provide clarity on the matter of the Holy Spirit? Yes, it was. Did the East reject this development? They did not. In the same way, the addition of "and the son" to the creed by the Pope was on the one hand aiming to tackle heretical Trinitarian theology (as was Constantinople I in 381), and on the other, explicitly affirming a long standing understanding of Trinitarian theology in the West (if Augustine is taken to have taught the Filioque, then this conception had been around for at least 600 years, but really even longer, and I find it hard to believe that the East had no idea this concept was firmly around in the West for 600 years, and waited until 1054 to condemn it). Now here arrives the objection which Father Theophan raised, saying that at the Council of Ephesus, the Council agreed that the Creed shall not be changed. But what exactly was said on this matter?
From Canon 7: "It is not permitted to produce or write or compose any other creed except the one which was defined by the holy Fathers who were gathered together in the Holy Spirit at Nicaea."
Note that this Canon said "any other creed except for the one... at Nicaea." Now return to what I said previously, that we today do not recite the Nicene Creed as produced at Nicea in 325, but the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed as produced at Constantinople in 381. Therefore, was this rendering of the Creed "produced, written, or composed" at Nicea? It was not, but rather was in Constantinople. Is the Council of Ephesus condemning the Council of Constantinople for adding our beliefs as to the Holy Spirit to the Nicene Creed? It is not. For these two things to be so, it would seem to indicate that Ephesus therefore was not condemning the further development of the Creed, but rather the production of a new creed entirely, lest heretics and schismatics begin circulating their own competing creeds. I could be wrong, but just reading the language used, that seems to be the proper reading of that Canon.
So, with that in mind, what the issue of the Great Schism really comes down to in my view is not so much the orthodoxy (or at least valid theological understanding) of the Filioque, nor the matter of adapting the creed, but rather the ability of one to add something to the creed outside of an ecumenical council. To that end, I've reached the extent of my knowledge, but there are a great many good investigations of this subject out there that could add substance in this regard.
Anyway, I give thanks for the beauty of the Orthodox faith, and I pray that one day Christ's Church, East and West might be one again. God Bless.
Very informative thank you 🙏.
Hear Hear! At the end of the day there were a litany of issues between Rome and Constantinople and it seems really a lot of it was two egotistical and obstinate men who were unwilling to give an inch in regard to authority.
You are spot on though in so much as the East sees any post conciliar additions, inventions, developments what have you in the west to be error because with out complete ecumenical council no changes or developments could be made- but to the Latin Church it would make no sense; as to the Latin Churches the East had made it clear there was no communion yet Christs mission continued and the Latin West Moved on.
*don’t forget, in the 18th century the East and West almost came back together, but 1 Eastern patriarch said no, so no reunification.
The West has continued to develop doctrine and the East hasn’t really(but don’t kid yourself there have been huge upheaval in the East too! “The Old Believers” call everyone else Heretics! 🤣
I am grateful that this Priest is so very charitable and kind; I pray we continue to dialogue and perhaps God will perform a miracle and bring us back together- but the Latin Church is very legalistic and the Eastern Church so very heavily dependent on tradition. Only God can heal us
@@ragnardanneskajold1880 don't say just Rome and Constantinople, it was an issue between Rome and Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria.
It was a 1v4 as I like to say.
@@player1playforfun - Constantinople was the power center in the east at the time and the emperor held much greater sway over the eastern churches than the church in Rome, which was also part of the issue. Although there may have been communion in the East there certainly was not unity in regard to interaction with Rome and heck even Liturgical Rights! Time and again throughout history many of the patriarchs/metropolitans wanted to establish communion with Rome, and one hold out would cause it to dismantle. To say there was unity among the eastern churches just wouldn’t be true, we see it on full display today my friend.
@@ragnardanneskajold1880 that's unfortunately a strawman. I never claimed that there was strong unity among the Patriarchs in the past, I am not blind regarding the history of the Church. This although doesn't eliminate the fact that all four patriarchates went against Rome, how can one patriarch be right if all other patriarchs anathematize them? Rome simply split away the way I see it.
Edit: I realize that there were also great Orthodox Saints who were anathematized by the Church, but the main difference is that the truth wins out in the end, and had the anathemas raised. Example being Saint John Chrysostom.
Yes, I am biased towards Orthodoxy, but I wish for you to provide an arguement in order to try to show the contrary - that the Orthodox split away from the Catholics - but first by addressing my previous claims.
I'm an Irish Catholic but I really like listening to the Orthodox priests and I can see the draw to them .The Hierarchy in the Catholic Church is corrupt at best,evil more like.The Bishops are weak here in Ireland,but some great priests.
Irish history is built on Catholicism.
Our ancestors were starved out of it but never changed their faith or "took the soup"which is a miracle.
The Catholic Church let us starve,it's still wicked here,but its our faith.
I pray your Church is not as corrupt as ours.
God bless our Orthodox brothers
You should also be praying for the catholic church, if there is so much evil and corruption as you say. Unfortunately, if you haven't realized, there is evil everywhere, it's up to us to combat that evil through prayer, and action.
Blessings and peace to you. Let's live in our Catholic faith and die in our faith as our Irish ancestors did. Maternal grandparents were from Co Kerry and Belfast.
Cousin Tim from Michigan
True,I should be praying for the church,It's something I don't do.
I really believe it is the church of Christ,with Satan inside.
I need to find some courage for sure to speak out.
I'm reading a book now The Irish holocaust by Chris Fogarty.
Irish History we were not taught in schools.
If your interested in history and Christianity it's brilliant.
God bless.
God Bless Tim.
@kingstonjam9026
I forgot the most important part of my comment. My father's parents were Eastern Orthodox from Greece.
I don't just value or appreciate Esst and Western liturgies. they are my life.
I can't even conceive that in this day and age thar the 1054 schism is allowed to fester.A wound in the Body of Christ.
I rarely engage in polemics as they are mostly fruitless, but I value this site.
In 2023, we are appatently witnessing a chastisement of the 'human' institution of The Church. Under God's Divine Providence, the sinful elements inside the church are being cleansed/scourged.
The Roman Catholic Church's needs more orthodoxy, and The Eastern Church(es) needs more universality
(catholicity).
Only Grace can restore unity that God desires.
Please accept my humble apology for this ramble.
I will pray my evening rosary for the success of this channel.
That becomes a witness to Christ's presence in the world through his most Holy Church.
Timothy Constatine Fronimos
opinionated sinner
Amazing video, in 10 minutes the Fr. distilled 20 books on theology. Thank you for the clarity of this presentation.
Our Lord’s blessings upon you and the American Orthodox congregations; your zeal and love for Christ through Grace, is an inspiration and a reminder for us, who were born Orthodox, to strive to raise our cross daily and be transformed through Grace, like you. You are in my humble prayers.
I'm in the Catholic church but I pray for both sides to be united one day. I believe they're destined to based on prophecy.
Ecumenism is heresy. Only one Church can be the correct Church.
It starts when the Catholic Church rejects heretical ideals like filioque (which caused the east west divide), papal infallibility and co-redemptrix position of Mother Mary.
@soundcheck2k7 The filioque was believed for over 300 years before it was formally challenged and made official. If both Father and Son are "One" then the Holy Spirt proceeds from both. Every time this topic is debated, the filioque makes more sense. Also, if you really believed what you just said, then why did the Orthodox come back two more times to share communion. You, my friend, are the ones in schism. Christ wanted His church to be "One" not many. The Pope has already stated he wants Rome to be in communion with the East, yet you guys refuse. Actually the Orthodox can't even get along among themselves, Russia, for example. How many divorces does Orthodox allow? 3?
The prophecies in the Old Testament say the coming church of God would be in Babylon (Rome). The Roman Catholic church is in Babylon (Rome). Peter and Peter alone was given the key. Peter was in Rome, buried at St Peter's Basilica. The Empire would persecute the church and fall, and then be taken in by the church. That's exactly what we saw happen in Rome. Also, Mary is a non-issue. She's created. She's only venerated, never worshiped. Does God use her at times to bring nonbelievers into His church through miracles and visions? The evidence heavily points to yes. Not much different than how he uses an angel, only more so. Just ask Roy Schoeman, a former Harvard professor and Christian hating Jew who converted to Christianity and confirmed into the Catholic church after His two encounters.
@@Saiyan585 Wrong. Oriental Orthodoxy is the true way. No other church has corruption and colonialism embedded in its history other than Catholicism (let's not even mention about what many of your priests are guilty of). Look at what your Catholics did to the church in India (Malankara). The ppl revolted and rejected the pope and Catholicism altogether and embraced Syriac Orthodoxy.
@@Saiyan585 Solid response, well done. The Filioque can be explicitly found among various Church Fathers as well, for example Saint Augustine.
I’m Catholic but I believe in the Orthodox stance on the Immaculate conception and I do agree with the consistency you have with respect to the Nicene Creed. The philosophy is a lot more sound….
Thank you Father, this is very insightful.
Great explanation regarding the major differences leading up to the schism.
Very clear explanation and very respectfully delivered. Thank you Father!
I was baptized as a Latin rite Catholic but I attend a Russian Greek Catholic Church of the Byzantine rite, which was established for former Orthodox Christians who wish to return in communion with Rome. The Church has always been one.
I go to Ukrainian Greek Catholic. Does Russian Greek Catholic use old church slavonic like some Russian Orthodox does? Or is it modern Russian? At the Ukraine church they do modern Ukrainian and English. But for some reason I'm fascinated with Russian Orthodoxy who actually was able to do some evangelizing in America I think by way of Alaska.
@@danieldimitri6133 Russian and English. It is difficult to find a church that still uses Slavonic especially outside Russia. It is becoming rare even in Orthodox churches.
We Catholics DO NOT IN ANY WAY believe that Apostolic Succession only comes from St. Peter. We firmly believe that it comes from ALL the Apostles.
The See of Rome comes from Peter and there are groups like the Armenian Catholic Church in communion with Rome but who claim lineage from St Jude. The issue comes with Papal Supremacy which strongly suggests not all Apostolic successions are equal.
@@gillianc6514no I think it only says that the tradition going all the way back to Peter and Jesus’ words to him that the Bishop of Rome held a special leadership role.
All his points a knowledgeable Catholic will easily refute. Orthodox argues like Protestants, Athiests and Muslims
@@gillianc6514Not all apostolic succession can be equal. Jesus didn’t even think so. Why? Because if multiple bishops have a disagreement, who would have the final say on a pressing contemporary issue?
@@ChaChaDancinPeter also established a congregation in Antioch, thus the Syriac Orthodox Church (Oriental) claims succession from St. Peter also. Rome wasn't the head "primacy" for all congregations. Each region had their own Patriarch, thus all the councils.
Latin Rite Catholic here. This was THE best explanation I've ever heard. Thank you Father. I really wish we can be one Church again. The Orthodox kick our asses in art and beauty and I want that element which you bring back to the unified Church we should be. If it was agreed that the Creed was never to be changed (which I didn't know), then it should never have been changed. If I were Pope...and I'm not...I'd just change it back, and say let's move on.
...and the Crusades...ohhhhh the Crusades. We (the West) screwed up there too.
Thank you Father. Beautiful explanation. I am a new Roman Catholic learning about the Church
I see that your channel is relatively new but gaining some good traction. It seems that many people are thirsting for Orthodoxy. I for one am an Irish Catholic, but recently have taken an interest in the former. It seems more theologically sound (re: the filioque, immaculate conception, original sin, and more). I like it use of music and iconography as well. Your videos are of very good quality and helpful to inquirers such as myself.
Thank you so much your comment means a lot! That is the goal of this channel 🙏☦️ God bless
A fellow Irish countryman or woman. As bad as things might have been in the Catholic Church in the past. Trust in the Lord jesus and the rock that he built his Church on, Peter... Look to the Church fathers and later Doctors of the Church and you'll realise the treasure you already possess. Pax..
I love both churches catholic and orthodox. In heaven, we won’t be labeled catholic or orthodox. Mother Mary who leads her children to her son has appeared to both catholic and orthodox. And for other denominations I hope they will have more understanding 🙏
Why not just attend a Byzantine rite Catholic Church? You practice and worship in the ways of Orthodoxy yet still remain in communion with the Church of Rome. Not all Catholics belong to the Latin rite, you know.
I’d look deeper into the claims he made. I posted a comment regarding a couple of them. It’s not so simple.
Catholics don’t say humans are born with personal guilt.
Yeah, he got that wrong. Catholics do not believe that a baby goes to Hell. That's absurd. He also got wrong apostolic succession. Catholics do not believe that it only comes from St. Peter. They also believe that it comes from all the apostles.
I think it would be fallacious to assume a priest who is speaking on this very issue, gets so many key differences between the two churches wrong. And so I assume he has lied, or rather even, been lied to.
@@abelreyna8781 In the RCC, only the Pope can elect a new Bishop. That's what he means in the video.
@triggered8556 If that's what he meant, then he chose his words very poorly. Any bishop can consecrate a new one in the Catholic Church. Needing the pope's approval to do so is the result of centuries of meddling by kings and emperors in the church's affairs and using bishops as political pawns. Look at the Investiture Controversy or the situation with Henry VIII. Even in the modern age, look at the situation with bishops in China.
@triggered8556 Even in the Orthodox Church, you have a situation where you need to get approval from the Turkish government to appoint a new Patriarch of Constantinople. If you don't believe me, look it up.
Great explanation and narration. Definitive. Thank you father.
Thank you. Wonderful explanation.
Interesting fact; Islam, for some reason, also has the Immaculate Conception (or some distorted version thereof).
One thing I can say is the Catholic church as a whole and all her rites are in communion together. The Eastern Orthodox church has basically split. Russians and Constantinople cant even take communion together. So for this reason I do believe The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Catholic church and all of its 6 rites within 24 churches all in communion together around the world.
Mi amigo you do realize that temporary, smaller splits, mini-schisms were common during the first millennium church, right? When St. Meletius was Bishop of Antioch he was in Schism from Rome, not in communion with her. That's one example. Despite that such temporary mini-schisms were resolved and full communion restored.
@@siervodedios5952 let's pray that all schisms are healed in our Lord's apostolic church. May we all be of One mind and one heart again 🙏
This is completely wrong.
Just an FYI, although the Russian church has broken communion with the EP, the break was not reciprocated.
Great explanations, thank you.
thank you so much for this video. I am Catholic and have considered the Orthodox Church as i have gotten older like you said, as you get older you start to question your faith. Knowing that the differences lie deep within history in how we perceive things, we are all just man trying to do the best we can do to stay close to God. I love the Catholic Church, and i love the Orthodox Church
Thank you, Fr. I was raised with both Roman and Ukranian Catholic, and I definitely appreciate the insights of the Orthodox Churches. I pray that one day, all 5 original churches can be in Communion again similar to how the Eastern Catholic Churches reentered communion with Rome.
Amen ✝️ ❤️🔥 🇻🇦
Excellent
Thank you for your support 🙏
Cannot believe I’m just now finding out your in New Mexico . I’m in Albuquerque and have been coming across your videos to the point I search for them now , I’d love to catch one of your services as I’ve been wondering lost when it comes to religion I’ve been studying the word and multiple other bibles but this is pulling me in
Thank you for this video.
Dear Father, you make several errors regarding Catholic teaching. I shall only point out one: the Catholic Church does not teach that Apostolic Succession comes only from Saint Peter, but from ALL of Christ's Apostles whoever consecrated Bishops and priests. Saint Peter is the head of the Apostles, the first Bishop of Rome, but not the only Apostle, nor the only Bishop. I have heard this same error stated by lutheran TH-camrs as well. Where it comes from, i do not know.
Why do you think Peter is the head of the Apostles? Acts 15 pretty much debunks that notion. First among equals is a better way to look at it.
I respect your knowledge and view of the early apostles! But I believe that James was the leader of the early church, along with Peter, but think that James might have actually been the main leader figure per Acts 15
Was non denominational (ended up more calvinist ) , I ended up leaving the church, became lutheran, and left the lutheran church currently in RCIA in Catholic Church. I've been listening to the Orthodox. Listening to the differences in Christianity has left me more frustrated than anything. Playing telephone just doesn't work.
That was helpful, thank you
i needed this thank you
Imagine being a cradle orthodox. I don’t know anything else to compare to . CORRECT GLORY ☦️☦️☦️
The argument at 10:56 is so poor. He can’t “set aside” original sin for everyone because not everyone is the mother of God. We would all agree that being the mother of God is a truly spectacular title.
God can’t do something?
Thank you for this. It all makes sense now 🤔
Great spiritual thoughts.
Change in the creed is not sting enough of an argument one broke away from the other I don’t always agree with the Catholic Church but Christ can only have one bride unless you would dare call him an adulterer
Fr. Bless, forgive me but my understanding is The Apostolic Constitutions note that Linus, whom Paul the Apostle consecrated, was the first bishop of Rome and that he was succeeded by Clement I, whom Peter the Apostle ordained and consecrated.
It makes sense, since a Bishop needs more Bishops in order to be ordained as explained in the Apostolic Canons.
Thank you father for this explanation. Greetings from Serbia
I am beyond grateful for this video, thank you so much Father 🙏
I've been attempting to study Christianity for the last year or so, trying to find the real distinctions between all the different denominations. It was Orthodoxy that began this unavoidable urge to learn more about Christ after a horrific experience growing up as a Roman Catholic. Hilariously enough, it was a list of suggested reading at the end of one of Ram Dass' books where I found "The Way of a Pilgrim" and from there immediately tackled the Philokalia. God will call us in any way we're willing to listen.
When you described the difference between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox view of original sin, my eyes filled with tears. I have been grappling with that since I first heard it as a young child. The Orthodox view makes so much sense and doesn't give me that intuitive feeling of "something wrong here."
God Bless you and thank you once again 🙏☦
God bless you in your journey!
That was a very good talk, thank you. Admittedly, I can’t recall how many times I have thought about attending an Orthodox mass down the street from my parish … In an attempt to flee, the steady creep of modernism and heresy into the church… but here’s the rub
The Blessed Mother appear to Saint Dominic and gave him the rosary. With instructions. Period. Full stop.
The entire continent of Europe and western civilization was saved at Lepanto, because the Catholic armada prayed the rosary into battle.
I will save the story about the appearance of our Lady of Fatima and 70,000 witnesses, including atheists and communists in 1917 for a different time
What role does the Holy Mother of God play in the orthodox church, father ?
How many times have the pagans prayed to their false gods and won? Is truth determined by what badge someone wears before fighting over land?
The Theotokos is vital to Orthodoxy and has appeared many times to many people. She is our mother and forever prays to God on our behalf. Whenever there are a series of hymns in Orthodoxy, the last one is always dedicated to her.
@@theophanmackey3414 So why would you reject the Rosary so straight-forward? It's powerful, life-changing and Christ-centric
@@cinemint Do you mean Jesus is a false God? I would take care of saying that thing about a prayer that contemplates moments of His life.
@@danielandressandovalpedrer9851 I wouldn't reject it, it's just not part of the eastern tradition. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
The EO would be more credible if their arguments weren’t the same strawman positions.
It's pretty interesting you know. I've talked with an orthodox who said that the immaculate conception was not opposed to patristic teachings, and it was actually orthodox teaching. And I have talked with others who fully reject the immaculate conception. Who is right? I don't know. But, it seems to me there is a lack of consistency.
@@luisrios3446 Beyond inconsistency, every EO apologists recycles talking points against Catholic theology. Except these talking points mostly show a lack of Catholic understanding - since the distinctions they draw are often *not* Catholic theology, with the corresponding "Orthodox" position actually also being the Catholic position.
@@MrTzarBomb Yes, I've noticed that. It reminds me of protestants saying that us catholics, worship Mary, when in reality it's not true, or like Muslims who say that we worship three gods. Orthodoxs don't really dig deep in catholic theology, and then get a distorted view of our theology.
It's quite interesting how Catholics are constantly claiming that everyone else is strawmanning them. At some point, it must be considered that perhaps the extreme centralization of authority in the Roman Catholic has resulted in a lack of clear reasoning coming down from the uppermost levels of the magisterium. This, in my experience, is the number one reason why Catholics become Protestant. Not because Protestantism is actually true or even because it makes more sense, but because Protestant apologists are willing to actually explain things to people, and apparently Catholics were not.
very informative, thank you
Currently doing the RCIA and I just love the Orthodox Church, and I love the underlying respect between the two
Dear Father, I came into the RC church from the Episcopal Church, as many have, and appreciated the Episcopal Church for all same reasons you did. But as we know, it has become something unrecognizable at this point, which has led to the further split off of the Anglican Church. The choice I had to face in choosing between the EO and the RC church was the most painful one of my life, a pain that continues to this day. I think the main reason I chose to go with the RC church was the frequent lack of charity I encountered in the EO churches towards the RC church and also towards western European culture and ideas to the point where there is often even a refusal to listen or discuss. There is no corresponding anger from the RC side as best I can discern, and discussions are usually welcomed. But I also sense the impoverishment in contemplative life and liturgical life in the RC church, that the EO church has so well treasures. As far as the Papal arguments are concerned there seems to be an endless back and forth on this. My present perception is that both sides are wrong about this. The RC church has far overreached on papal powers and prerogatives with novel doctrines and dogmas, while the EO seemed to selective in their historical memory; first among equals falls far short of the historical reality. Thank you for taking the time to talk to us on these matters. I will continue to listen and to pray. Daniel
Great presentation! I converted to Catholic Christianity from Mormonism, and started with the fact that only the Catholic and Orthodox churches are candidates if apostolic succession and authority are important. I started with studying Orthodoxy and the Filioque actually turned me away from Orthodoxy because Jesus flat out said at different times that He would send the Holy Spirit after He ascended.
There were many other things and experiences as well that led me to the Catholic Church, but I still am interested in learning about our Eastern brothers/sisters. Both East and West have so much to teach.
For me the Orthodox Church is more focused on not changing and not knowing things, while the Catholic Church seems more focused on God continuing to interact, teach, and expand our understanding of the Deposit of Faith. I don’t want to be stuck in the 8th century, any more than I want to be stuck in an Old Covenant understanding of God. Learning and growing is evident throughout the Bible and I see the same thing evident in the Catholic Church over the centuries. Praise God!
Well said.
Thank you for this explanation. Besides the Mother of Jesus is active through apparitions speaking about the rosary and Her Immaculate Conception as she told St Bernadette in Lourdes France. Purgatory is also a reality as written in the bible in Maccabees as we Catholics are encouraged to pray for our passing love ones.
@@bognoy2008Marian apparitions didn't start supposedly showing up till when Catholic European colonial empires were colonizing other continents. Lady of Guadalupe, for example. How convenient that Mary supposedly appeared to an Aztec man which appeared as a Mestiza, half Indigenous Mesoamerican and half Spaniard. Sounds more like prelest to me.
John 15:26
@@siervodedios5952 yes that’s a great example of Jesus stating plainly that He would send the Holy Spirit to the Church. That is one of the verses that made me question the Orthodox side of the filioque debate. There are many others showing that the Son was key in sending the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:49, john 16:7, 20:22, Acts 2:33, Titus 3:6, etc). Having a fairly decent familiarity of this Biblical teaching, it made me scratch my head in confusion as to why the Orthodox Church would choose this particular hill to die on. I concluded that this was likely just an excuse to break up with the Church and that the real argument was politics & power, as most human fights are.
Good day. Father Mackey is correct in his comments. He is providing you all good information. I am a Protestant chaplain, and I will tell you all the Protestant churches are always about the pastor not Jesus Christ at all. The Orthodox Church is the original church. Very respectfully Chaplain Brian Merk
Thank you.
Not the original church, there was a schism with the Catholic Church, that being the original church
Thank you!
What about the Orential Orthodox?
People forget them !
Some nuances
The oriental orthodox have just as much of a claim to Antiquity as the other two apostolic commuions
To say the Orthodox Church has changed less than the Catholic Church is still to say that they both have developed as living organisms over time and it becomes a subjective exercise if we think that one has changed in a justifiable way and another in an unjustifiable way (or too much). We could even take it one step back and say that both changed within the first thousand years perhaps more than they should have or more than the oriental orthodox or Assyrians did! You see that it opens up a whole can of worms where we must subjectively judge the decisions of the Church over time and we could easily get into Protestant or true orthodox territory
Also, the objection that if God can make Mary immaculate why doesn’t He make everyone immaculate strikes me as odd seeing as we all believe that God is all powerful could obviously make us all sinless or at least admirable saints but no one says “if X Saint is so holy then why didn’t God make everyone holy just like them if holy people please Him so much” we simply have to accept that God is mysterious and why and to whom He gives the gift of faith likely known only to Him
Good response.
The Oriental Orthodoxs don't accept the synod of Chalcedon, which is why there are only two options: Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.
I hope this clears up the first part.
Now onto the second point:
We believe that the Immaculate Conception is not necessary for the divinity of Christ, mostly due to our different views of original sin.
As the Priest had very well explained, we don't view original sin as an actual sin that everybody commits when they are born, but as an "infection", which may make people more inclined to sin.
The Theotokos had this "infection" but through the grace of God she never sinned.
I hope this clears the second point too.
If you have any objections, feel free to voice them.
@@player1playforfun the acceptance of Chalcedon is a new issue which doesnt take away the antiquity or theological conservatism of the oriental orthodox. I wouldn’t a priori exclude it or the Assyrian church since they are both antique and have apostolic succession. We shouldn’t assume that the Catholic and orthodox comuniones are bigger therefore their councils have always been correct
@@Vinsanity997 the orientals split from the one church, they were considered heretics, why shouldn't we consider them heretics nowadays?
@@player1playforfun if we are objective observers with no bias we should come to the table willing to give everyone a fair shake and if we say that antiquity and conservatism is our metric then they should be considered equally valid. Those aren’t my metrics that just what I gleaned from the priest in the video
Very good breakdown
Thanks so much? I have held the same convictions (privately ) for years regarding every topic you touched. I think I need to find an Orthodox congregation.
Why then do you baptize children if they have no guilt? This is nonsense. I'm a protestant convert to Catholicism. I really love my Orthodox brothers but when I compared the two The Catholic faith seemed to make so much more sense.❤
Why was Christ baptized if he had no guilt?
Father, with all due respect, the title of this video is erroneous. The one Church has never split. Rather others have separated from her, whether it was the Nestorians, Non-Chalcedonians, or Papists. Only the Orthodox Churches are the one Church of the first millennium. Other than that excellent video👍
Now that Constantinople and Russia have split, and can't have communion with each other, which of these is the one true church?
@@luisrios3446 Dusputes and disagreements happen from time to time in the Church. This has been true since the first century. However, these disputes and disagreements don't constitute a schism in the one Church anymore than disputes and disagreements in a marriage automatically end the marriage. To be severed from the one Church means to hold to a faith that is different from the rest of the body (Nestorians and Non-Chalcedonians) and/or to be so obstinate in your position that correction of error is impossible (Rome). Constantinople and Russia do not fall into either of those categories. Their disagreement is based merely on jurisdictional and political reasons that will be healed with time. Just as the schism between Jerusalem and Antioch was healed recently. Also, while Russia and Constantinople have severed relations with each other, the other Orthodox Churches still commune with both and consider both to be Orthodox. This last fact is incredibly important because it shows that the schism is not on a universal level like it is with the aforementioned heterodox Churches.
The Orthodox Priest articulated the schism & the main theological differences b/w Eastern Orthodoxy & the Roman Catholic Church perfectly. Well presented. God Bless ❤
The thing that really struck a chord in me, was when he explained the concept of original sin and the immaculate conception. The idea that humans are born damned unless baptized is something I found near impossible to reconcile with the idea of a loving God. The idea that infants are innocent and humans simply sin as the grow, though I still get the importance of baptism regardless, rather than an inherent evil really speaks to me. How this ties into the immaculate conception was also a really great point and for once, I understood why this rather than just being "people can't agree on stuff".
I'm a convert from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy. Very thankful to God to come to the true Church.
Catholics feel Catholic church is the one true church.
New Roman Catholic here, converted from Mormonism. What are your top reasons for converting? Anything you miss?
@@ChaChaDancin I am grateful to God for my experience as a Roman Catholic (for 10 years or so) as I went from atheism/agnosticism to Catholicism and I was blessed along the way. It’s a long story but suffice it say what mattered to me was if they the true Church or not. Not anything else. This is why I was convinced they are not the true Church:
Filioque (secondary causality in the Son with regards to the Spirit’s hypostatic procession) is a heretical innovation, and papal supremacy and infallibility is heresy. The Church did not operate that way for 1000 years and even Fr Richard Price, an RC scholar of the Ecumenical Councils said the East *never* believed in papal supremacy (the 5th Council even contradicts papal supremacy in the case of Pope Vigilius and the Three Chapters). They also teach the Unitarian Allah of Islam is the same god worshipped by Roman Catholics (Vatican II). They also teach the Pope has supreme *temporal* authority, as if the Pope is an Emperor-Bishop (this comes from the forgery of the Donation of Constantine, and expressed in documents like the Dictatus Papae). Also heresy.
They’ve gotten themselves into a tremendous kluge of errors and innovations since the Schism (banning pedo-communion, baptism praxis is malformed, etc), not to mention their modernism and religious syncretism just in the last 60 years alone. They approach theology rationalistically contrary to the holy Tradition, ever since the Renaissance. They also believe in a view of development of doctrine contrary to Tradition, ever since Vatican I and Cardinal Newman’s attempt to square the fact that in the first millennium there was no papal supremacy governance or papal infallibility operating in the Church.
Some Orthodox saints that condemned the Filioque as heresy, a blasphemy, and a doctrine of Satan are venerated as Eastern Catholic saints. That makes no sense.
The original definition of schism is not more than one bishop in the local catholic Church. After they split from the Eastern Patriarchates during the crusades and after they performed all sorts of schismatic behavior by subjugating the Orthodox under Latin rule and set up parallel churches under Latin bishops in the area even calling such clergy the “Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem” and so forth. This is de facto what schismatics do. Thus by definition they are schismatic.
They use rationalistic arguments to get out of every error and contradiction, inventing new terms and distinctions the Fathers did not make. As a result they’ve created an unfalsifiable system of philosophical thought.
They’ve malformed their own liturgy and stopped practicing fasting for all practical purposes, contrary to their own tradition.
They do not have a unified approach to prayer praxis and they encourage exciting the imagination contrary to the Tradition that came before the schism, and this predisposes people to prelest. The numerous “mystics” and some of Marian apparitions themselves are quite dubious.
The Vatican has become a geo-political force and more of a pseudo-religious secular organization. Just look at the kinds of prayers written in the Pope’s intentions.
They left communion with the canonical Orthodox and Catholic Church 1000 years ago because of innovations in the Creed and a power struggle in the papacy, whose apologetics were based on forgeries.
Orthodoxy teaches original sin
@@jonathans3580Yeah, we do. Just not inherited guilt aspect
9:49 we call this concupiscence in the catholic church.
God bless you Father 🙏
Would love to hear you talk more about this and the Crusades!
Ok, but Christ did say Peter was the Rock and Upon that Rock he would build his Church. Not churches. I wish the Catholic and Orthodox Churches would come together and be one.
He did build the church up on Peter. Peter is the father of both the Catholic and Orthodox Church. The bishop of Rome may bear the title passed down from Peter, but he himself is not Peter.
How does that align with the teachings of Vatican I?
I love how Catholics repeat this interpretation as if it is the only one that exists. Whenever they do this you can really see the Catholic ancestry of Protestantism.
What about the Eastern Catholics who don't say the filoque? They however still believe that the Eccumenical councils agreed that the chair of peter has authority but still are autonomous.
St John Chrysostom, He called Peter "the leader of the choir, the mouth of all the apostles, the head of that tribe, the ruler of the whole world, the foundation of the Church, the ardent lover of Christ." StThascius Carcillus Cyprianus and Popes Leo the 1st and Innocent the 1st believed this as well. The Council of Ephesus and Chalsedon also discussed papal primacy.
Which is different from Papal Supremacy with universal jurisdiction as described in Vatican I.
Peter is the rock upon which the church was built, not his seat. Peter is alive and with us in heaven. Do not attribute to his seat that which belongs to Peter.
This is the first Eastern Orthodox video I have seen and I love it.
I hope you keep watching
Thank you, that clarified a whole lot regarding Children, infant baptism original sin, and the immaculate conception. I knew much of this from Numbers and the New Testament, but I did not realize the Orthodox was so doctrinally Biblical. It never made sense why Catholics and Protestants believed the souls of children needed baptism for salvation, given that God expressly made it clear in Numbers and also Jesus by extension that only those of age 20 or older were adults and all children under 20 were under grace by God's own promise In numbers 14.
You clearly didn't do any in depth homework in regards to the Catholic Church. May I suggest you drive into a little James Likoudis and Michael lofton who just released his latest book "answering Orthodoxy" as did James Likoudis in another historical dive into the Papacy. God Bless you brother.
Im catholic, and i need a response to James being the first bishop. This does not compute in my Latin brain hahaha😊
James was the first bishop of Jerusalem; what's confusing about that?
James was the first bishop of Jerusalem, but Peter was still the leader of the apostles and the founder of the Roman See
@@henrylansing9734first bishop of jerusalem, but werent all of them considered bishops already by the time of pentecost? Because as i understand it, one can be a bishop without a jurisdiction (as is the case of the bishop of Tyler, Bishop Strickland
@@AthanaSus Yes. What's the contradiction? St. James was the first Bishop *of* Jerusalem; the rest of the Apostles were Bishops who happened to all be in Jerusalem at the beginning of the Church.
@@henrylansing9734 well, what doesnt compute to me is how St James being the first bishop of Jerusalem somehow negates the papacy
Thank you!!!
Beautiful testimony. But I think if you dig deeper, you do find a "Why?" with traditional Anglican liturgy. It mostly all comes out of the use of Sarum, the way the Roman Rite was carried out in Salisbury Cathedral, which is itself as ancient and as well preserved as the Eastern rites