What Protestants And Catholics Should Know About Orthodoxy
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- Fr. Andrew Cuneo is the pastor at St. Katherine Orthodox Church in Carlsbad, California.
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I'm not Orthodox but it been a joy hearing and seeing the passion these priest have for Jesus and wanting to share that with the world. Pretty eye opening to get to see.
Fr Andrew is amazing. Exactly as you see him here is how he is in person. Of all the priests featured on this channel I’ve met Fathers John Bethancourt, James Coles, Josiah Trenham, Andrew Cuneo, and John Mafous who will be on the upcoming video. They are all excellent wonderful men and I’ve been so blessed to get to know them all.
That’s my priest! A holy and amazing spiritual father ☦️☦️☦️
Just spoke to him today!! God bless him☦️☦️
He looks creepy. Like a misogynist.
Im converting to Orthodoxy rn and youre channel is great!
May God Bless you and your loved ones! Glory to God in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit! Amen! 🕊️
You're Absolutely Right That I Didn't Want To Live On A Bridge, So On Christmas Day, Monday, December 25th, 2023 @ 10 AM EST, I Converted From Latin Rite Roman Catholicism Via The Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Church To The Tier One and Only, Holy, Eastern Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church That I'm A Member Of Here In My Hometown of Anderson ( Anderson County), South Carolina And I Thank Almighty God For The Great Escape From Rome, Coming Home To Orthodox Christianity. AXIOS ☦️ ‼️
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Amen my brother 🙏🏻☦️
Welcome home Marty. I just celebrated 10 yrs as an Orthodox Christian. I was born and raised in Anderson.
I’m a Former TLM Catholic who is now a Catechumen in the Orthodox Church
@tomjarrett2477 : I Attend Divine Liturgy @ Christ The Saviour [ Antiochian] ☦️⛪️ @ 604 North Fant Street, Anderson ( Anderson County), South Carolina , Directly Across The Street From The Emergency Room of AnMed Main Campus 🏥. If, You're Ever In Town, Stop By And Let's Worship The Lord Jesus Christ, Together.
Orthodoxy is the only place that ever felt holy presence and that I was in a holy place no other place ever did
God promised where he would be. His Word and His sacraments. He's there whether you feel it or not.
My worry with "feeling holy presence", not that I don't think it's possible, is that if you don't FEEL it one day, it could make you think it's gone. That's not how God said he would work.
Since becoming Orthodox and watching many priests speak ( Father Spyridon, Father Josiah Trenham, Father Stephen De Young etc) I’ve noticed something in their eyes. Something holy, kind, trustworthy, good and RIGHT. When I used to be involved with Freemasonry I noticed the polar opposite in their eyes. They were cold, dark, distant, suspicious, shady, shifty, WRONG. It’s interesting 🧐 the eyes really are the window to the soul. This priest here has the right eyes. I trust him completely ☦️
Hey friend, I would just encourage you, that’s a very subjective and untrustworthy criterion to judge someone’s credibility by. The devil masquerades as an angel of light. We shouldn’t judge by appearances. (I’m not trying to say anything about Orthodox priests or this speaker in this video, I just say this in general about all people.) Grace and peace to you, friend.
@@tjkhan4541 Yes, of course. I agree wholeheartedly. I should clarify that this is absolutely not my sole criterion. Having said that, it can be quite obvious when one is so filled with God’s Spirit that He radiates from that person. Likewise when someone is filled with something toxic ( too much alcohol for example ) it can be “written all over his face”. I also ask the saints to pray regularly for my ability to discern between spirits 🙏🏻
@@tjkhan4541 Amen
Amen!
I've noticed the same thing in the voice. It's quite amazing
I went to an orthodox service for the first time on Easter (Catholic calendar) and was blown away. It felt holy. It was holy. I’ve wanted to go for a while. And every priest I see and meet speaks a similar language. Jesus is the Word. It makes sense the one true Church would reflect this. Thanks for your content.
Orthodoxy doesn’t fall short in any intellectual or Scriptural debate. Yes Orthodoxy brings much more of humanity into our worship than the typical Protestant. Protestants have to approach their inquiry in those terms as that is how they learned from their legalistic Catholic origin.
Friend, with real respect, icon veneration is one debate where Orthodoxy just falls short. It is a development from the sixth to seventh century. Neither Christ or the apostles or the fathers taught this.
@@tjkhan4541false. Icon veneratioj is in the Bible.
@@bad_covfefe which passage(s) do you have in mind?
Dear brother in Christ as you correctly said we venerate the icons and not worship them. That we put in the church and in our homes icons of martyrs and Saints who gave their lives for the love of Christ it shows respect for their courage to sacrifice their own lives and not denied their faith. It is respect for the depicted person and not for the item itself. In those difficult times that we all face in our lives in the moments we feel weak or disappointed we see the faces of the Saints and we feel stronger thinking that also they were humans common women, men even children and no superheroes but they remained strong in their fath. That gives us strength to go on and not to give up. It is so simple! The question if we have the right to dipict God the answer is that we have the right to dipict Jesus who became human in order to save us. I hope that you can understand what I mean and that it has nothing to do with idolatry .
I wish you all the best
Katerina
@@user-px6up4on7t sister Katerina, thank you for your comment: it helps me understand better your position. While I still think the Orthodox position is not biblical and a later historical development, I do understand that you and many others practice this with no ill intentions and with respect and joy. I also have respect and love for Orthodox brothers and sisters; I just say what I say because I don’t think this is something God wants us to do. And I really do wish grace and peace to you. 🙏🏻
I‘m so happy that this channel exists. It‘s exactly what we need right now. God bless you for your work and courage! 🙏 Can‘t wait for new content! ☦️❤️🔥
Says the one with a Maronite Cross as his DP.
So? I‘m orthodox and I like the symbolism of the maronite cross. I‘m Lebanese as well. I don‘t understand why that should be a problem
@@CanaaniteConifercan you tell me about that cross. Never noticed one before..
(I like you username.)
@@lindaphillips4646 Well its a reference to the holy trinity as well as the tree of life. Its often ralso referred to the Antiochian cross. It is usually called the maronite cross and it represents the maronite church. They often emphasize that the cross also symbolizes the allegiance between them and the pope, since they are catholic. For me thats not an issue. I love my Maronite brothers even tho I‘m orthodox. There is a lot more to that cross. The long horizontal cross represents gods church. The middle one represents all peope and the last one is literally the ‘highest‘, in that case jesus or god. So the chirch carries all people in order to bring them to the highest. As I said there are more explanations and I really like the symbolism of it. 😌🙏
@@CanaaniteConifer thank you. I didn't know any of that.
Orthodoxy is "Mere Christianity" to use a CS Lewis title. It is the worship and the way Christ taught. If there is less, something was taken away. If there is more, something was added, but Orthodoxy is simply, merely, "Christianity."
Orthodoxy is the complete toolkit. I am a very bad Christian, I need all the help I can get. I cannot grow in my faith with a minimal toolkit, I need all the help I can get.
Friends, with real respect, Icon veneration is something added in the sixth to seventh century. Christ and the apostles did not teach this. Neither did the Fathers.
@@tjkhan4541false. The Bible contains icon veneration.
@@bad_covfefe which passage(s) do you have in mind?
@@tjkhan4541 you keep reading the passages...
I’ve been made an Orthodox Catechumen!!! ❤ pray for me ❤
Yes. And the Church will pray for you at every Divine Liturgy. Take it personally.
We mean it..Many of us have been in your place before.
Blessed PASCHA!
I don't know if you have experienced one before, but it is a beautiful and holy night. ☦📿💝📿☦
@@lindaphillips4646 - '....catechumens bow your heads...'
Be still and know God
As a Catholic who is discerning the Orthodox Faith, I thought this interview was excellent. I appreciated the good questions presented to Fr Andrew, and I found his answers very helpful. I've been reading a lot about the history of the Roman and Eastern Churches and their increasingly strained relationship during the first millennium. I appreciated Fr Andrew's honesty in acknowledging that the bishop of Rome was in fact seen as an "elder brother" - if you read some of the early Church fathers like Tertullian, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Cyprian, John Chrysostom, all hold Rome in high regard and speak of its prestigious reputation- but one who did NOT command universal obedience or claim ex-cathedra infallibility which, contrary to what some Catholic apologists claim, is an accretion. Anyway, thanks for the wonderful interview!
I’m Ethiopian and Coptic Orthodox. I respect the Eastern Orthodox Christian but we should united as one Orthodox Christian like the beginning time. There is only one religion and teachings which is the early Orthodox Christian religion. United Orthodox Christian religion! 🙌🏽💒🙏🏽
Yes, the Eastern Orthodox Way.
I loved this! I always felt like I was going back and forth between a mental ascent and the emotion. I appreciated this.
Great interview!
Excellent editing and videography in all of your videos.
Thank you!! ☦️
❤❤❤❤i love the idea of humility, love, service and not emotion and intelligence such as is the Western View. I am Lutheran but have been drawn to Orthodox infuences even before I knew they existed. Just letting God work on my heart.Love to all in the family of God.
Wonderful video
Love Fr. Andrew!
Good explanation, very helpful.
Another great video ☦️
❤❤ Holiness and Love ,,Wow thsts just great.
God bless you Father and God bless you Roots of Orthodoxy!
As the saying goes in the spiritual life, the longest distance in the world is often the 18 inches between the head and the heart ..🙏
I’m not religious at all, but looking to know Jesus better- and I keep coming back to this channel. It’s so relatable & everything they say really speaks to me.
I'm a non-denominational Christian, looking into Orthodoxy and I just wanted to tell you: The most beautiful thing to remember is that Jesus is also looking to know you! And if you come to Him, He will take you with open arms :)
May God help you in your journey
Welcome home brother
Come in person 😁
God bless you and the holy spirit is showing you the way ❤
Hello there from Sydney Australia
Amen God bless every one
Orthodox here, if someone is interested in Orthodoxy and has questions, feel free to ask.
The best thing is though, to ask your toughest questions to your priest in the closest Orthodox parish.
Because im not a theologian, just a wretched sinner.
Actually I’ve got a few questions! What do you all think about the trinity? How does orthodoxy view Mary (Regina Caeli) commonly? What is a service like in the Orthodox Church?
@@zachary1417 Greetings !
We Orthodox worship the Holy Trinity because Christ Himself said in Matthew 28:19 : " Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".
Also the voice of the Father was heard when our Lord Jesus Christ was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit descended in the shape of a dove.
We call the Virgin Mary - the Holy Theotokos (Godbearer) and we greatly honor and revere her.
We do not worship her as God but revere and honor her and ask for her intercessions and prayers.
As for how is an Orthodox service, I would strongly advise you to visit your closest Orthodox church and see for yourself.
Confessional Lutheran (OG Lutheran)
Does our difference on the Filioque result in us believing in different God's? Or has one of us just made a mistake on a detail about God?
@@bigniftydude Hello.
I didn't know Lutherans recite the creed with the filioque.
Heresy doesn't mean believing in a different god other than the Living God but it means a wrong teaching. That wrong teaching can have a domino effect on the souls of many Christians putting their Salvation at risk.
@voievod9260 I've spoke with orthodox who say we believe in different gods altogether. Just wondering if this is universal.
A follow up and more straightforward question is would you say those outside the orthodox church are outside of the church catholic and therefore salvation?
Well said. Father Paul of Utah more or less agrees with your approach in terms not letting your pride and ego get ahead of you when talking Orthodox dogma with other Christian denominations. The motive is certainly not to polarize, but to engage with a civil tounge, especially when reading the stories of those very humble Mount Athos Saints who though they had the ability of discernment and clairvoyancy they were very discreet as to not fall into pride and ego. Some saints even prayed to the Lord to rid themselves of their abilities as to not fall into pride. What really transformed me was the book Wounded by love by Saint Porphyrios, including Saint Paisios the Athenite. In addition the beautiful quotes of the Philokalia, the way of the Pilgrim, and the homilies of Saint Issac the Syrian, including the writings of Gregory Palamas on energy and essence, and my very favourite Maximus the Confessor.
Great channel! Would love if you interviewed someone from the Western Rite ❤
Always Thank&Praise God! Keep up the Orthodox Church around the world. The original Church stemming from The Christ, our Church
Father Andrews liturgy is soul healing🙏🥰🙏🥰thank you Father🙏🥰it’s Barb
Do you have any plans to visit Father John Whiteford? I think an interview with him on Sacred Scripture would be amazing!
Additionally, I’d love to see an interview of Father Paul Baba? Since he is a spiritual son of Father Seraphim Rose, I think it would be amazing for people to get a chance to see his recollections!
Not only a Spiritual Son of Fr. Seraphim, but also a follower of our very own St. John the Wonderworker.
@@acekoala457 Indeed! And he’s such a good speaker! He would fit this channel so well! The way he recounts the miracles he’s experienced and the LIFE he’s received from Christ through these holy men is truly moving…
This is my priest☦️☦️❤️❤️
Carlsbad? I been there. Loved it
Purity comes from knowing the truth, not from empire related “traditions”. In arguing against having the best argument, you engage in the very same practice.
LCMS Lutheran. Its a confessionsl, traditional liturgical branch.
We're very simple. We have a cooperate confession and absolution, say the lords prayer, read from the gospel, hymns are the gospel, words of institution, we trust His words are simply true when we eat His Body and Blood.
And we depart with a blessing from scripture.
Im convinced this is enough for the Christian life. I do see all of this there in Orthodoxy plus a lot of beautiful rich history, culture, really dialing in the Christian life at the level of detail. I see you all as my brothers and sisters in Christ. I hope we can work towards communion someday
Hello from Eritrean Orthodox Church in Africa
Church? No, not Church but cult!
After watching, I am going to find an orthodox church in my area. The holiness is missing in alot of churches.
The Bible says, come let us reason together. God is logical. People are emotional.
Thank you so much for all these videos. My wife and I are currently non-denominational and I've been intrigued and eating up everything I can about the the Orthodox Church. If someone can please help me though, there's a matter I have not found a clear answer for and that's the matter of Salvation. Obviously Protestants believe in Salvation in Faith alone, and Catholics believe in Faith+Works. Where does the Orthodox Church stand and how does it relate to Theosis? Thank you very much!
Orthodox and Catholic hold the same beliefs in terms of salvation. It is through faith (via baptism into the church) and works…and through a constant effort within these 2 things we can achieve theosis (or divinization as the Catholics call it).
@pandemix19: I converted 34 years ago and am still learning about this. Having been raised Methodost and then charismatic, Lutheran and finally Episcopalian we found our spiritual home in the Antiochian Orthodox Church here in the USA. We have heard this said: I was saved, (Christ’s incarnation, sacrifice, resurrection and ascension) I am being saved (daily practice of prayer, sacrifice, repentance, working out my salvation, as the apostle says) and in Gods mercy, I will be saved at the last day. This is a simple way of saying that our salvation is an ongoing process, not a once and done.
We should not divide faith and works, but works and works. Mere works of any variety versus the works instructed of us by the Lord Jesus, which is not seperate from our faith but is a part of one whole with it. In this way, even when we say faith and works, it is not works, but faith truly.
In practice, theosis=salvation. And let's be clear here: neither Orthodoxy or Catholicism teach that a person could EARN salvation by his works - that's a heresy called Pelagianism. Rather, for us being full of faith is very much same as being faithful (as it is in Greek and Hebrew too), it's the way of life, while in Protestantism 'faith' appears to be quite epistemological or mental phenomenon for many. But obedience, trust and knowledge walk hand in hand and they are produced by love, and thus they cannot be separated. God will not save you more than you are willing to be saved. God pours abundantly His mercy upon us, and we answer to His call to get closer to Him and become more like Him, and thus we can receive more and more His mercy since we can also carry more... It is said that God takes 100 steps towards us, and He takes that final step with us.
Love this priest. Somehow, his voice reminds me of Matthew "McConaugheyhahehoooha". Awesome man that guy as well.
I have ONE question to you. Do believe and practice Mark 16:16 the way that Saint Basile the Great talks about in his book On the Baptism?
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If someone has already been baptised in his former church(catholic or protestant) has to get baptised again to enter the orthodox church? Because as i know the teachings of the apostle Paul, we get baptised only once, so, if we have to get baptised again, wouldn't it be dangerous? I'm struggling with that question, because i want to be sure about that, the day i would be at 100% sure to become orthodox, and i don't want God to be upset with me because i did a mistake, so, can somebody tell me?
You’ll get different answers based upon which synod you go to, what bishop you have, and what priest catechizes you.
Probably not the place to do this, short & sharp ☦️ Lord, have mercy on me.
Born Protestant, Lutheran/Presbyterian to Ind. Baptist Lib🇦🇺/(Rp'cns🇺🇲) Conservative. 46 I ask the Lord...48..and a half, I walk into a Greek Orthodox Church 👎 went to another 👍 Holy Fire 🤕 got sick 🥴🤒😵💫 unattended church, re-attend church(s) attended (English only) GOC and a RussianOC. My connection is with St Spyridon GOC, thus I remain. As the only converter to Orthodoxy in my Protestant/Anti-(Roman) Catholic sphere of influence, I brought the Church into great disrepute especially my loved ones. At first my wife was coming on board, I ended up burying that with my passions of self-destructive behaviour. It's been a long road, the Lord sees my hypocrisy so I've had to walk this way straight, and not because I have to. If I can't want to then having to becomes a meer empty religious action serving only my pride & ego. Good deads toward people because we are all made in God's image, so to want to do good to man because he is God's human despite and/or in spite of behaviours of anti-good intentions, is close to perfection. Who can do that? The Orthodox Church in essence the Church holds the Confession of Faith of all the Apostles and Fathers and Saints and Martyres. Word & Tradition, pure yet with the ethnic flavour of the Church's geographical foundations. Anyhow, don't ask how I was convinced, I was shown by Truth, the historical way. Greek through eyes of an angry Latin. Needless to say Catacumin ism(?) is a little further away than before.
'You will find Me if you seek Me with all your heart, mind, & strength.'
Jer29v13
He keeps His promise.
Also, Dr Nathan Jacobs helped me understand East/West worldviews and how they don't mix.
Question. Which "Orthodox" church are these priest from? Eastern etc. Here in Knoxville, there is a Greek, Coptic and...🤔can't remember the other one. What is difference? Is it set up like "Denominations"?
Orthodox Church in America
The country in front of Orthodox merely denotes the Bishop and country of origin. For instance, a Greek Orthodox church simply means it is under the Greek bBishop and Patriarch. In practice and theology, it will not differ from a Serbian Orthodox church. The OCA stands for Orthodox Church in America, and you may or may not have one local to you. However, any Orthodox church will have the same theology and liturgical practices. Hope this helps!
Coptic is different and not in communion with the Orthodox church. There are many jurisdictions (not denominations) in the Orthodox church that have made their way to America through various immigrant communities over time (Greek, Antiochian, Serbian, Russian, etc)
Thank you.@@Emily-pl9tg
Thank you.@@BaikalTii
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To people who have never been tradcats, the level of mind screwery that happens is next level. I do not say this condescendingly, but as someone who is in the process of breaking free from it. It is absolutely miserable.
The baptism thing is hard for me. I remember mine and it was a very special time but it wasn't orthodox. I feel if I were to be rebates that it would be saying that before meant nothing when I know God did so much in my life through it. It's still a far off question but it makes me wonder.
In that kind of issues, it's important to do what your confessor/spiritual father and local bishop are saying about baptism etc. There are many good points both for and against "re-baptizing", and it's under the discretion of bishops and priests how different canons of the Church are adapted in practise... All neophytes are chrismated in either case anyway.
1:10 "any form of love" ....
Who made you judge?
Image the Church 5000 years from now 😮😅😊
The beauty of Orthodoxy is that it does not change in noticeable ways. The downside is that it often seems like the attitude of the Orthodox is that "we're the only way to do things" or something like that.
On the brotherhood of the Patriarchs:
Maybe a good way to incorporate the Orthodox/Eastern idea of the hierarchical church as a family is to view the Pope as the big brother in charge will the father is away. Christ is, has been, and always will be the Head of His Church. Just as a man is the head of his family. When the head leaves the house, someone needs to care for the family while also having a certain primacy of authority.
The more I learn about the Orthodox view of the papacy, the more I realize the concern and hesitancy of having full universal authority of all the church. But we can take a step back and remind ourselves that the authority unique to the Pope is not from him, but from Christ, and in a special way.
The Patriarchs and Bishops of Christ's Church all have the authority Christ gave to his Apostles. With the Pope (in Rome, I know other autocephalous churches call their head the pope) he has the unique authority given only to St. Peter in Matthew 16, mirroring the prime minister of the Davidic palace, who, when the king was away, had authority over the other minsters of the palace.
And the Pope in Rome as the successor to St. Peter also has this authority. Unless for some reason we want to be like some Protestants (and even Mormons) who believe that the unique authority of St. Peter was not handed on to his successor. And if we want to believe that, why should we trust that any Apostle was able to hand on his authority.
And, it seems like Orthodox believe Catholics hold an ultramontanistic of the Papacy. This was an idea that basically anything the Pope said was always authoritative and always binding. But the Catholic Church condemned that as heresy.
And in regards to troublesome Papal documents:
There's no excuse for them. Since Vatican II, there has been an odd trend in promulgating documents that always seem to beat around the bush with vague language. The fortunate thing about this is that there's always wiggle room to interpret these documents in light of more clear and definitive documents. The unfortunate thing is that there are always those who take these documents and twist them to support their own ideology. Fr. James Martin, the super gay guy, does this all the time. The bishops of Germany are doing this as well.
And one last thing (if you've made it this far).
I feel like the bridge analogy wasn't handled correctly. Maybe we can use the language of a meeting place between Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox to describe the Eastern Catholics. And I'm saying this as a Ukrainian Catholic.
Every Catholic wants union with the Orthodox, no one more than Eastern Catholics. The Eastern Catholics grew from the Orthodox heritage, and the West didn't. So there's a spiritual language barrier between Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox that the Eastern Catholics can break.
Maybe the Eastern Catholics are bridge for union, not a bridge to go from A to B (like what is literally the case for Protestants going from Anglicanism to Catholicism).
No one needs big brother to hold the fort in Christ’s absence, because our Lord never left us (Mat 28:19-20). Repent and return to the true brotherhood of Christ.
IT IS NOT OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD YEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH
If it is not according to the law of God Yehovah
If it is not seeking the law of God Yehovah
If it is breaking the law of God Yehovah
If it has voided the law of God Yehovah
If it has forsaken the law of God Yehovah
If it has wandered away from the law of God Yehovah
If it is far from the law of God Yehovah
If it far from the salvation of God Yehovah
If it is far from God Yehovah.
IT IS AGAINST THE COVENANT OF LORD GOD YEHOVAH THE COVENANT LAWGIVER
Psalm 119:21,53,85,115,118-119,126,136,139,150,155,158 ASV
Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, That do wander from thy commandments. [53] Hot indignation hath taken hold upon me, Because of the wicked that forsake thy law. [85] The proud have digged pits for me, Who are not according to thy law. [115] Depart from me, ye evil-doers, That I may keep the commandments of my God. [118] Thou hast set at nought all them that err from thy statutes; For their deceit is falsehood. [119] Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: Therefore I love thy testimonies. [126] It is time for Jehovah to work; For they have made void thy law. [136] Streams of water run down mine eyes, Because they observe not thy law. [139] My zeal hath consumed me, Because mine adversaries have forgotten thy words. [150] They draw nigh that follow after wickedness; They are far from thy law. [155] Salvation is far from the wicked; For they seek not thy statutes. [158] I beheld the treacherous, and was grieved, Because they observe not thy word.
Proverbs 14:34 ASV
Righteousness exalteth a nation; But sin is a reproach to any people.
Jeremiah 23:18,35-37 ASV
For who hath stood in the council of Jehovah, that he should perceive and hear his word? who hath marked my word, and heard it? [35] Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [36] And the burden of Jehovah shall ye mention no more: for every man's own word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of Jehovah of hosts our God. [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken?
Deuteronomy 26:16-19 ASV
This day Jehovah thy God commandeth thee to do these statutes and ordinances: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thy heart, and with all thy soul. [17] Thou hast avouched Jehovah this day to be thy God, and that thou wouldest walk in his ways, and keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his ordinances, and hearken unto his voice: [18] and Jehovah hath avouched thee this day to be a people for his own possession, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments; [19] and to make thee high above all nations that he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honor; and that thou mayest be a holy people unto Jehovah thy God, as he hath spoken.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 ASV
Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. [33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
Matt 10:2 Now the names of the apostles are these, first Peter.....
Jesus Christ built His Church on Peter the rock and sole key holder, way before the later development of the orthodox Church! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink and His Queen Mother, the Immaculate Conception!
The Orthodox was never established. It was the original Church.
If we read scripture correctly, Jesus built HIS Church on the proclamation of Peter...not Peter himself.
So? are you trying to tell us that the Pope has more authority than other patriarchs? simple question. If he did have that authorty, then why didn't they just ask him to come up with the Nicene Creed? But they didnt, they all gathered and during the proceedings he was jut one of them. Can you see it? the idea that he has more authority was fabricated much later by the other Popes
@user-tg3tj2nq6v most inaccurate, as Jesus Christ promised Peter alone the keys of the Kingdom. The office of sole key is one of succession Biblically! Jesus Christ gave Peter alone the command over all the flock of God! Was Moses one of many equals?🤔 Jesus Christ built His Church on Peter the rock, way before the later development of the orthodox Church! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@shanehaire7633 most inaccurate, as Jesus Christ renamed Simon as Cephas, which is Aramaic for rock, as Jesus Christ promised Peter alone the keys of the Kingdom! Even many Protestant scholars attest that Peter is the rock on whom Jesus built His Church! Yet, for those like you who claim Scripture ALONE, you can never know with infallible certitude if you are reading Holy Scripture correctly, as Scripture ALONE is infallible, thus making all your interpretations, FALLIBLE! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
As an Orthodox inquirer from a Protestant background, I see how the Orthodox church leans into the mystery and does not emphasize the rationalism. But hear me out: As someone who has been studying the early church fathers for over 10 years, apologetics and rational discourse were part and parcel of the early church. I see this leaning hard on the mystery to be a more modern phenomenon. It should be Both/And, not Either/Or. First, not only from the history, but Orthodoxy has great apologetic strength. Second, one of the greatest failures I have found in Orthodoxy is that average people cannot tell you why they believe things. This causes them to be very weak when confronted by the world, unbelievers, or other non-Orthodox Christians. I spent a year in an "Ask an Orthodox" Facebook group with 20k members that could almost never adequately answer a reasonable question, including priests. Mystery is very important, I am not disparaging it at all, but our mystery and reason must be hypostatically united. That being said - I am heading toward Orthodoxy, in no small part because of the apologetics of the early church and my own research.
Our Theologians are not academic but deeply prayerful.
What is revealed is revealed.
Our attempts to understand the mechanisms of mystery can get us in all sorts of bother.
The layfolk are not required to know the intricacies of the faith, and the Priests are not required to teach theology etc but to tend to their flock - to serve the sacraments and be a spiritual guide.
We have monastics who support answering inquiry and explanation should we need it.
I belong to the Italo-Greek Byzantine Catholic Church which was one of the two Eastern Churches who were not part of the Great Schism. The Italo-Greeks are as they always were, right from the beginning. So why should we change? Also, I don't feel the Byzantine Catholics should serve as a mediator between the Romans and the Orthodox. Surely, the two titans can workout their differences, without a third party. Leave the Eastern Catholics out of it. We're not a bridge.
Honest question, what is Italo-Greek Byzantine Eastern Orthodox?
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Blessings to everyone, I grew up in a Mexican pentecostal christian household. And I have few questions.
1. So according to the Bible, to be able to go to heaven we need to accept Jesus Christ as our savior, so that means that both pentecostal, orthodox, and other denominations of christianity are going to heaven?
2. Is it wrong if I wear rosaries?
And what is the meaning of rosaries?
is wrong to have crosses and paintings/icons? (btw im asking cause pentecostal christians say that that's is wrong)
Mark 16, 16, spells out requirements for salvation. Note that true Baptism does not exist outside of the Lord's Orthodox Church for the reason of lack of Apostolic Succession in all other churches. Orthodox do not pray rosaries. Icons are visual expression of the Gospel and are in New Testament acceptable due to the fact that Lord Jesus Christ is the image (icon) of an invisible God (Colossians 1,15).
@@johnnyd2383many OCA churches acknowledge baptisms or RCC and some Protestant denomination. Only charism is performed for converts.
@@johnnyd2383um yes they do. Saint Seraphim of Sarov prayed fifteen decades of the Byzantine Rosary everyday on a rosary very similar to the Catholic rosary.
@@johnnyd2383No offense, and I'm Catholic so maybe I'm wrong here, but I think Apostolic succession is understood by Orthodox to be in the Catholic Church as well. If there is reunion, I don't think Catholic bishops would need to be reconsecrated.
So both Catholics and Orthodox believe that we are saved through faith AND works. Faith is realized via Baptism and works are realized via leading a holy life. Catholics and Orthodox recognize the Baptisms that occur in most all Protestant denominations (other than Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witness or any denominations that don’t Baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit) as VALID. They believe those baptisms properly proclaimed your faith and cleansed you of original sin. They would not re-baptize you if you entered into their church. As far as leading a holy life through actions, thoughts, and works - Orthodox and Catholics are also very similar in their beliefs. It’s important to repent of your sins and follow the laws of God’s teachings which are passed down through the church. Ultimately it is God who decides who is saved and enters Heaven and who doesn’t. So neither Orthodox or Catholic will outright claim that anyone not belonging to their church ISN’T saved - but they will say that their church helps to lead you down the clearest and most precise path towards salvation in the end and towards a deeper and more meaningful relationship with God. If you die with sin still upon you, perhaps even sins you didn’t realize were sins…both Orthodox and Catholics believe you first go to a place of cleansing (Catholics refer to this as Purgaotry and Orthodox refer to it as Hades or Toll Houses) prior to entering either Heaven or Hell - so both pray for the dead in hopes to help them along this intermittent journey in hopes they can arrive at Heaven. I hope this helps!
Are Protestants saved ?
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This father doesn't know the hierarchy of the Church, we have Patriarchs, who are not infallible and are first among equals. Big difference with the Roman Catholic pipe who Roman Catholics see as infallible.
So, the schism, the Filoque, how does Orthodoxy view this today?
The Filioque controversy was just one (though theologically most important) factor in the Great Schism... but regarding the Filioque specifically, the standpoint of Orthodoxy has not been changed over these years: the Spirit proceeds hypostatically from the Father alone, and to the mankind He is proceeded through the Son.
@HomoEucharistica Thank you. I am Protestant. I have observed many Christian beliefs/faiths over the years. I have many Roman Catholic friends. However; Catholicism, for me, makes very little sense. Several decades ago, I attended a Greek Orthodox wedding, the only Orthodox observance/celebration I've attended.
I routinely order products from Mt. Athos in Greece. My knowledge of Orthodoxy is rudimentary, even with the several books on Orthodoxy that I possess.
@@shanehaire7633 That's very interesting, and I pray that the Lord will guide you deeper into the faith of divine mysteries... If I were you, I would try to contact an Orthodox priest from the parish closest to you (even if it was on the other side of the country) and discuss what to do next. If you seek you will find some things "independently", but in the end of days all of us must follow what Apostle Philip said to Apostle Nathanael, "Come and see" (John 1:46). Orthodoxy is not just one faith among many but it is about being and becoming a living part in the body of Christ; Orthodoxy is the way of life. If one wants truly understand it, he will enter ecclesiastic life and fellowship of Orthodox Christians at some point of time (even if he does not have intentions to convert, and that's fully okay).
But if immediate "participant observing" is not possible, luckily there are many excellent books and TH-cam channels that can help and compensate things... What kind of books on Orthodoxy do you have already read?
@@shanehaire7633 That's very interesting, and I pray that the Lord will guide you deeper into the faith of divine mysteries... Just being curious: What kind of books on Orthodoxy do you have already read?
@@HomoEucharistica The Watchful Mind by a Monk of Mount Athos and The Historic Church, an Orthodox View of Christian History by Archpriest John W. Morris.
Reunification of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches is a nonstarter. The Pope, who is the Bishop, or patriarch of Rome has to accept that has no different authority than say the other patriarch, say of the Antioch Church, etc. So they should just stop these talks unless the Pope acknowledges that. If he does then they can proceed to discuss theological and other issues.
The money point for Catholics.. options vs central elements of the faith… the Catholic Church is so optioned out….
Denominations are NOT of God. Paul warned about this and said it is from following men and shows how carnal people are.
My problem with Orthodoxy is that there is no unity, and no way to call a major ecumenical council since the end of the Roman Empire. There is no living magisterium, and as far as scope, it is not really universal (especially historically), but moreso regional. There are other problems as well, but these are some of the ones which weigh on my mind the most
Do you think you might have a conceived notion of what these things should look like, likely due to your (I assume) Roman Catholic upbringing?
Could it be that Orthodoxy has these things, but not in the way you are used to or would expect to see?
Food for thought.
God bless you and yours.
@@nathankirwan2565 I was raised Evangelical, and I’m looking at the Apostolic traditions for conversion. Right now, Cathololcism is more convincing, for the aforementioned reasons. There is unity in the West, but not in the East, there is not even a mechanism for it. Take the current ongoing Orthodox schism for instance. Patriarch Cyril says sins will be forgiven if soldiers fight in Ukraine. While others say the Greek Patriarch is the one who is at fault in the Russian Greek schism. This is chaos with no mechanism for reconciliation, because there is no top authority in the East, only “first among equals” with no Emperor to move the Church as was the case early on.
@@dr.j5642 I see. I shouldn't assume.
What is happening between Moscow and Constantinople is a tragedy. But is by no means the first schism in Church history, pre or post Great Schism. There is mechanism for resolution, which is borne out by reconciliation in schisms of the past.
RC has not avoided like issues, it is splintered. Which too is a shame.
Whilst the Orthodox Church hasn't seen the need for an ecumenical council for some time, maybe one is due... There will be means of gathering the jurisdictional hierarchs should this be needed. Pan-Orthodox Synods are taking place on a regular basis.
@@dr.j5642 Do you really want to follow a guy who says that priests can bless same sex unions? The pope is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@@nathankirwan2565 so in your opinion are the Russians in error, or not? Some say one or the other side is in error, I think I’ve seen a few people say both are in error. What is the way to reconcile this issue? Isn’t it usually the case that when a bishopric is in error, it must be renewed, free of error. How can this happen when the Orthodox world can’t agree who is in error?
You lose me when you start talking about your religion rooted in tradition that goes back centuries. I believe in a God that is infinite and gave His Son for the sins of man.
To put your tradition first while explaining identity seems cheap
That God who dwelled among us and died for the remission of sins also taught His disciples for 3 years, and even after His resurrection opened disciples' minds to understand the Scriptures, beginning with Moses, and on the day of Pentecost He send down the Holy Spirit. And when He sent His disciples to the world, He ordered them to teach us to observe all that He commanded them. This teaching of the Lord, that we have received through the Apostles, we call Tradition - it includes those writings that currently belong to the New Testament but is not limited to them. Christ is the cornerstone, but the prophets and the Apostles are the foundation in the house of God.
Call no man father on earth. Jesus commandment
“if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee”
That's also a commandment is it not? Why not take this one as seriously?
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” -John 8:56
Uh oh, Jesus you weren't supposed to call any man “father”, according to Protestants.. “father Abraham”
“For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.” 1 Corinthians 4:15
😱😱😱!!! SAINT PAUL!?!? Did you just call yourself a father? Don't you know Jesus said not to do that!? 😱😱😱!!... Oh you!!!
@@Cup0Coffee who is our true father , when we call out ABBA ABBA.
@@Cup0Coffee you don't take it literally thats for sure
One verse does not do anything for you. Mind you St. Paul exhorts his sheep as fathers in more than one place. St. Jerome and others exegetes it quite well. You would be enlightened to seek it out.
@@TopLobster9975whom is apostle Paul referring to in Galatians chapter 4 v 6 as Abba ( father).
it is not biblical.
i am Greek orthodox and i am very sorry to say my church has left the teachings of our LORD JESUS CHRIST And the Holy Apostles for instance praying to the mother of JESUS Mariam calling her mother of god and over holy one to save us
My husband, an Orthodox Priest in OCA, filled me in this morning. He was greatly troubled. Prayers for the Greek Church. Thank God for Mount Athos!
Panagia (Theotokos) IS the mother of God (Jesus) - you are not really Orthodox, or sadly not educated in the True Faith. I'm sorry for your loss. - Try and learn about you faith - to your benefit.
Yes 100 times I say She is Mother of God.Calling her name and praising her only will save my life.
Do you think someone respecting my lovely earthly mother will make my Father angry and send him out .
Think of your Mother and then the one who became fit to be the Mother of you say Jesus christ who is God in All.
Wholly Mary Mother of God will pray for me to her Son to forgive my sins.
You are not an orthodox dear friend just because you were baptized in your childhood. It seems that you have no contact with the Orthodox Church and it's teaching. You can either start your catechism and then choose whether you want to be Orthodox or you should go directly to some Protestant church
Father, much respect from this Catholic. I feel the problem with Orthodoxy is It tries really hard to be contrary. Despite nearly identical beliefs with the Catholic Church In basic theology they will claim something as heresy simply because Catholics have given it a name or defined it. Yet, there have been many Orthodox patriarchs, even patriarchs of constantinople who have promoted outright heresy comments such as Cyril who was refuted at the Synod of Jerusalem in I believe 1672.
Most of the eastern Catholic churches do not recite the filioque. Furthermore, it was accepted almost completely by the east for use in the Roman church before the schism. There has been much argument that it perhaps even is correct, especially given the farewell dialogs in John. Yet even if not, there is more that binds us than divides us. Some things that Catholics have defined as dogma many or most eastern Orthodox believe but don't believe it should be defined as dogma. There are other differences that are not essential to salvation and could be overcome. Similarly according to Catholics there are problems on the Orthodox side. Allowing divorce, rebaptizing, lack of leadership, calling things they also believe heresy if Catholics give it a name (ex. Purgatory), highly emotional, anti-intellectual In the guise of mysticism, refusing to accept their own tradition (ex. St. Maximus the Confessor on the primacy of the Roman Church).
Not every disagreement is heresy. It's like two children trying to tell their mother why they had a fight and arguing their case when they are 99 per cent in agreement. Think about the inability of the Orthodox Church to organize an ecumenical council. This is an extreme deficiency. The current schism between the ecumenical patriarch and the patriarch of Russia . Yes each and every Orthodox Church has a beautiful liturgy. Also, the eastern Catholic churches have a beautiful liturgy. The traditional Latin Mass is beautiful. The Novus Ordo can also be done beautifully. Reverently, with great sanctity. The fact that it often isn't is not an argument against the Catholic Church.
There are abuses that go on in the Orthodox Church also. Archbishop Elpidophoros performed a very public baptism for the child of a gay couple. While I agree that the child should not be penalized because of the sins of the parents, this was certainly scandalous. I agree that we have seen a specific proclamation by the current pope that is very distressing, And I disagree with its issuance. We have a pope who is not sufficiently intellectual and likely not sufficiently spiritual. However, there have been bad patriarchs and bad popes. The document does not call for the blessing of the union of the homosexuals. The pope has continued to express that homosexual acts are sinful. He is hoping for conversion of these people but it is distressing.
When there are abuses in an Orthodox Church it is not attributed to the entire Orthodox Faith. Furthermore, the current schism between the ecumenical patriarch of constantinople and the Russian patriarch show that an effectively headless church doesn't work either. The only correct solution is reunification of the Eastern Church and the Western Church. We should all do everything we can to see that that happens so that the good in the West can be useful to the East and the good in the East can be useful to the West and we can help each other steer a proper path.
I feel also that the eastern churches forget some of the writings of the church fathers . St. Maximus the Confessor, Died: August 13, 662 AD, when commenting on the manner in which Pyrrhus, a former Bishop of Constantinople and heretic, should return to the unity of the Church, said this about him:
“…Let him [Pyrrhus] hasten before all else to to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox…, That Apostolic See which has received universal and supreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the world, from the incarnate Son of God Himself and also by all holy councils” (Migne PG 91:114; taken from Eastern Orthodoxy’s Witness
This does not mean that a reunification Should mean that the pope would have absolute authority over the eastern churches. This could all be worked out. The lack of moderation by the eastern churches has made whatever excesses occur in the Western Church more harmful. The lack of the Western Church has made the faults of the eastern churches more pronounced. The only way forward is together. Even though a person is just as much of a person if he loses a leg, no matter what attempt he makes he will still limp. Much more so will that person be impaired or dysfunctional or dead losing half of himself.
The first point of this comment is just clearly ridiculous. You need to look into orthodoxt before commenting on how similar it is to RCism. It just isn't. Nothing alike at all. Not the theology, chrostology, ecclesiology etc etc etc
@@josephsaab7208 No, it wasn't ridiculous. Catholics and Orthodox agree on the vast majority of almost everything, you don't need to cope, bro.
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Except; Christology, Theology, Ecclesiology, Anthropology, proper prayer...
I could go on but Rome is not the Faith of the 1st Millennium.
@@acekoala457 Catholicism is the faith of the first century, as evidenced by history. Plus. No. The differences aren't that great, as different wording might be used in some instances, but belief is basically the same. I know the Orthodox like to pretend that they are completely different, but they are not, especially seeing how Western Rite Orthodox parishes are using an Anglican prayer book for their liturgies, which I find amazing, so what are gonna tell me next? That Anglicanism and Catotholism are super different, which makes it ok for the Western Rite Orthodox to use said book, or....are you gonna tell me those Western Rite parishes aren't in communion with the rest of the Orthodox?
@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 they absolutely do NOT.
I wonder if modern Orthodox will ever tire of the over-simplified “Western Christian” stereotypes we’ve invented.
there is no old or modern, there is only Orthodoxy, this is why it is THE Church. We keep to the teachings and tradition of the Apostles, without changing anything in the dogma from the decisions of the Ecumenical Synods. We still keep the spiritual practice from the early Church, this is why there are a lot of modern ascetic Saints today.
@@konstantinoszeimpekis9874 The strawmanning and caricatures that Orthodoxy uses is certainly a modern phenomena. Historically, theological doctrines were the issue (eg. The Filioque, papacy, the Protestant solas, etc). Now, we’ve constructed at metanarrative that seeks to collapse Protestantism and Catholicism into a single, simplistic paradigm at odds with the “Orthodox” paradigm.
Your zealous rhetoric is simply beside the point.
@@Crystal_Falcon Orthodoxy has always had to deal with the heresies of the age. Modern protestantism did not exist in the past, so arguing against it was not really possible.
@@Crystal_Falcon You clearly don't know what you are talking about. i am giving you facts and you just go forward with insults. Stay to your heresy. We are done.
@@konstantinoszeimpekis9874 Ok.
The problem with EO is that it is very polarized in that it doesn’t believe that God calls women to the priesthood. That is a major fault on their part. Their desire to hold onto this notion of being “unchanging” means that they have a narrow point of view stuck in an ancient Hellenistic and Semitic culture that was the prevailing cultural sense in Christ’s time. But EO is this guy’s business and it’s between him and his creator.
Christ was a man; His apostles were men. There were many women followers of Christ, but He only ordained and commissioned men. One would have to believe Christ made a mistake, or overlooked something, to feel comfortable changing the way He founded the Church and its priesthood.
Brother in all respect, you don’t have the right to demand a whole sale change of Eastern Orthodoxy because you feel offended.
This isn’t about you or your contemporary liberal beliefs. Let go of your personal pride.
God bless ☦️
@@obiwankenobi6871 I never felt offended. It’s just my observation nor would i demand they change to suit me. But it ultimately is between you and God and I can respect that.
@@user-kv8pm6wu3c that’s what the Catholics say too. That’s fine it’s just my observation how the EO holds on to the practice of an ancient culture. It’s between you guys and God.
Sounds like you have a problem with Christianity.
Catholic church is orginal church, orthodox church exists because of catholic church, and orthodoxy is self proclaimed and self righteous, they departed from true original catholic church because they didn't want to accept the Pope...
Catholic church is true universal original church founded by Apostle Petros/Kefas
Filioque is not a heresy because Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son of God... Simply because
Because Jesus Christ was with the Father when his Father poured out Holy Spirit upon the earth was formed... God in the Old Testament is also the same God in the New Testament
What is the Holy Spirit?
Holy Spirit are gods miracles, divine creation and presence🕊️
How did Jesus Christ casted out demons and evil spirits?? By the power of Holy Spirit that proceeds from His Father and also from Jesus Christ itself, because he and his Father are one and they cannot be separated from one another
Only Jesus Christ did these miracles nobody else but him, Holy Spirit proceeds also from the Son
Filioque was added to strengthen, preserve and protect divinity of the Holy Spirit... Same as Homosiuos was added to the nicean creed to protect and preserve divinity of the Christ
Orthodox deny that
Filioque was added to counter real heresy that comes from Arianism
Orthodox are hypocrites because they call catholic heretics, but these same catholics preserved and protected whole Christiandom in the past from muslim conquest including orthodox
Even after Great Schism in 1054 Alexios 1st came to ask Pope Urban 2nd for help
Pope accepted and sent catholic crusaders and templars from Europe to fight against Islamic hordes
Catholics that you so much despise protected you and fought your fight, otherwise you would be lost due to Islamic conquests
Orthodoxy must come back to catholic church and to stop with their lies
Its hypocrite that some little coward who is living his nice comfortable life in 2024 that you call fallen crusaders and templars heretics after 1000 years
What A Hilarious Notion, considering there all Bound For Hell, in The Same Boat, with there "Doctrines of Devils and Lies of Hypocrisies" that has caused them all to be divided, which Paul warned so Mightily Against. Therefore "Come Out of Her My People" that you receive not of her Mark, Plagues, or Eternal Damnation to Hell for Eternity,with there Father of Lies, Lucifer Himself. "I'M OUT" "PRAISE JESUS" AND "ALL" THE "GLORY BE TO GOD" IN "THE HIGHEST".
You need to work on your grammar and spelling.
What ?
Schizo moment
Dude who are you even talking about?
This is one of the biggest lies of protestantism. Not all who aren't protestant are going to Hell, as you guys think. Taking upon yourself the judgements of God is one of the most abhorrent things and is I've of the largest reasons that the protestants are seeing a noticeable drop in adherents year to year. This is well documented by the Pew research group.
Can someone tell me where to get that particular icon of the Last Supper in the thumbnail photo? I'm researching Orthodoxy, so I'm new at this.
God bless you. Thanks for sharing this. I pray for all my brothers and sisters in Christ to move closer towards holiness. Thank you 🙏