This is outstanding. I am Catholic, my cousin is Orthodox. I remember he told me he doesn't have so much a theological issue with the filioque but that the Western Church did not have permission to do such a thing. I remember when Pope Benedict removed the title of Patriarch of the West from his titles. He did this in an effort to remove the bloviated titles of the pope. However, the Patriarch of Constantinople issued a rebuke as this was seen by the east as an attempt by the pope to be the patriarch of the world. It is fascinating. At the end of the day, we humans just have too much pride.
I agree with the Patriarch on this one. Surely there are other titles that could be dropped. Especially after all the work the past few decades in bringing the East & West closer.
There are theological reasons though outside of you can't change the creed. Mainly that if I understand correctly, that when speaking of the Trinity, it either has to be true of all of the members of the trinity, or only true about one. Thus you can't have the Holy Spirit coming from both the Father and the Son without (albeit inadvertently) calling into question the divinity of the Holy Spirit.
@@Nutrition_Nut It's language. The Greek and Latin mean different things. Recent conversations suggest that both the west and east believe the same thing. The Holy Spirit is generated and proceeds from the father. The word proceeds in the west does not mean generated as it does in Greek. Rather I proceed out of my door but my house did not generate me. Christ can also send the Holy Spirit. However, in the Greek, it is better not to use the term as it would suggest Jesus generates the Holy Spirit. He does not. So the Catholic and Orthodox Church agree. John 15:26. Last note, this addition to the creed was added to fight heresy in the west that sought to show that Jesus was not fully God but that the Holy Spirit was another name for God. Anyways, I've read a ton on this. I have found that most people do not give an honest take of the various arguments. Language is a sticky thing. Words mean different things in different languages.
Your videos have changed my outlook on religion. I have watched approximately 95% of your TH-cam content. Your lectures on Tolkien have influenced me in a way that I will never forget. Thank You Sir.
I can´t believe these videos are much more interesting, not to mention more informative, than history channel documentaries, with all the money they invest in their productions
That is because history channel is not in the business of informing and educating you, but in that of entertaining you. Mostly achieved through targeted propaganda.
As an Orthodox Christian I have to say that this is one of the best presentations of church history I have seen. A lot of historians have maintained that the eventbin 1054 was an excommunication of the entire Eastern and Western halves of the Church but in reality it was between just Humbert and the Patriarch. Thise excommunications were rescinded in the 1960's I believe.
They were, by Paul VI and Athenagoras. However, not all of the Orthodox Churches accepted the nullment of the anathemas and excommunications, some even saying that the monks at Mount Athos stopped naming Athenagoras in their prayers due to ecumenism.
I don't believe those "lifting of anathemas" have any force; The RC's are still estranged from the Orthodox Faith, and show no signs of repentance; In fact, in the last century or so, it's gotten worse. I believe the best we can hope for is individual conversions to Orthodoxy.
@@nicodemuseam true story. The Roman Church has a very skewed view of history in that they will say the Orthodox split off from them as though we were the original Protestants. I had one guy who does a Catholic blog tell me the Orthodox Church didn't start until the 1600s!
I'm Eastern Orthodox and a Scot (Orthodox Christianity came to Scotland through St. Ninian who died in 432 AD). You did a good job here. Thank you for that.Sometimes people ask me if we Orthodox believe in Christ or read the Bible. It's pretty pitiful how little people know about Christian history. They must think the Bible fell from the sky!A few basic questions might be answered on the 'Theoria' TH-cam video's done by Fredrika Mathewes Green.
It is very interesting that people know so little about Orthodox. It does not matter if they are Coptic, Greek or Russian Orthodox. The lack of knowledge is astonishing to me. The people who have asked me about Orthodox are shocked to find out that the the western Church, known as the Roman Catholic, was the result of the schism. And many do not know of the resulting splits such as the Lutheran from the Roman Church. NIce to see other Orthodox here. Blessings.
Bonnie Johnston, that claim about St Ninian is totally false and crazy . It;s like you claiming that St Bede the Venerable was a secret Russian monk. Total fib! St. Ninian was a Briton who'd trained in Rome. His Episcopal See was named after St Martin of Tours ( Latin Church ). He was ALWAYS part of the Latin Church and ALWAYS obedient to the authority of the Pope. He had nothing to do with what you refer to as "Orthodox". That term was not in use when St. Ninian was alive. There's no association between St Ninian, what you now call "Orthodoxy". Next you'll also claim that St Patrick was a secret Greek cleric.
Respectfully, before 1054 there was no separate Roman Catholic Church. Rome in the West was a Patriarchy like Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and the governing center was still Constantinople.
the Catholic church was the first organized Christian church and from that came orthodox church than came Protestantism!! I used to be Christian but I'm converting to Islam because it just makes so much sense to me!! When I heard The Quran being recited I cried and weeped it really touched me!! But I love my fellow Christian Brothers and sisters and wish the best for them!! It's all about God and surrendering to Him!!
@@andrewortiz9226 You never knew or have lost understanding of true Christianity. I beg you to go back and pray for wisdom and understanding of your need for "Salvation, which is only through Jesus Christ's birth, death, and restriction. Come to know this, Christianity is not a religion. It is being IN CHRIST and Christ in you.
thank you for this explanation of the schism. i am a (Russian) Orthodox Christian born and raised in america originally as a first baptist. you are the first non orthodox person to present a non biased view of the schism that i can appreciate. the only issue i take with presentation is that in 2004 when the patriarch and the pope recited the nicene creed as it has been since it was created, you failed to mention that westerners did ask pope john paul II why he agreed to recite the creed in its original form and he acknowledged that it is carved in stone in its original form without the filioque above St. Peter's entrance. but again, best non biased presentation of schism that i can appreciate
09:40 - 962 : Otto 1st : H R E 10:30 - 10:55 - 1049 : Pope Leo 9th 11:05 - Church Relations 11:33 - Church Governance 11:48 - Eastern Church Governance 12:30 - 12:57 - Antioch - - Alexandria - - Constantinople - - Jerusalem - - Rome 14:10 - Modern Patriarchs 14:30 - East & West difference
This is a really smart idea. You can even extend it its usefulness by using TH-cam on p.c. Simply add a few identifying tags to the post and then use (cntrl+f ) using those tags as search terms and you have yourself a linked outline.
Humbert was sent tby Pope Leonlll to Constantinoples for fighting or negotian his Papacy.Ortodox church from Antiochia,Alexandria,Niceea ,Libya andAthena and Constantinople rejected Leon,s lll proposal with his primacy.Explenation:all the Apostoles of JESUS CHRIST are EGUAL in rights,no ones can be big than other!Humbert was very angry and go back to Rome😅😅😅.
I had no idea of the Orthodox church until i visited a renaissance festival and found a the Jesus prayer in an Orthodox church tent. Fascinating when I started to look into the Church and how I felt a connection. To me the Original Christian church
I don't understand the need to have an all seeing God who will judge you and the threat of eternal dam nation to be a good person. I manage pretty well without it.
@@jbarton1541 oh do you? Let's just play every thought, every word you say, and every physical action you take on tv, for the world to see how "good" of a person you really are. Also, with no God, there is no objective definition of "good" anyways. All you have is your own, miniscule opinion.
@@jbarton1541 "Goodness" requires a likeness to that which is Good; In the case of the Orthodox Christian, Who; The God-man Jesus Christ, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit. I daresay that without faith in God, the Holy Trinity, and in particular the person of the God-man Jesus Christ and His death and Resurrection, with the fullness of the Orthodox Faith, you have no justification for your worldview. On what basis do you logic? On what basis do you science? What foundation have your morals? The most important question: What is going to happen when you die? Nothing good, I'm afraid. The same goes for me, in my current state: An Orthodox Christian lacking repentance towards God. I am the worst man I know... Yet God, in His mercy, provides for our sustenance, gives us to rise each day for another shot at repentance... Maybe today is the day that you give up your false autonomy, and cry out to Jesus Christ to save you from this bitter life full of death and decay. He stands at the door; Do you let Him into your life? God is everywhere present and fills all things; the uncontainable, uncircumscribable, immaterial(excepting the human nature of Jesus), all-merciful, all-loving, all-powerful God, Who, in this moment, holds you in existence despite your unbelief in Him. Your whole life He's been angling for your attention; He's hidden in His Commandments, and I'm sure you know some of them by heart: Do not steal, do not murder, honor your mother and father... Love your God with all your strength and all your mind and all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself; There are times that you've done good and you've known it. There are times that you've done evil, and you know that it was wrong. Your conscience, the voice of God inside you, which cries out when everything inside and outside is silent... It is why you drown yourself in noise, in pleasures, in company, in sleep; Anything to push away the silence and the thought of your death, like the yawning void it represents in your future existence...
The answers to my deepest questions I found (and I WAS searching!) in orthodoxy, in writings of fathers, monks. And I am not an Orthodox. Yet. Orthodoxy most of all has those truly saintly men and women that God greatly worked through the lives of. Just by reading their biographies one can become a Christian, that's how inspiring it is.
My struggle for decades to find the early church like in the story of the Apostles prompted me to dig through the internet (TH-cam) Thank God I finally found the orthodox church
I may not be a man of any faith, but this subject matter is just too interesting to pass up. Theology has been a crucial part of history, no doubt about it.
If you’re Catholic, these Bible truths are shared out of love for you, because you may not know what God has declared to you in His Holy Word. Read through the list and see what the Bible reveals about the leaders of the Catholic Church. You don’t have to understand all of the prophecies and their fulfillment, just simply read through the study to see how the Bible specifically describes the Catholic Church. The Bible foretold that the church of the antichrist would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones. “The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4 “The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet… The pectoral cross should be made of gold and… decorated with gems…” (Source: Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopedia, 1991, p. 175, 178, 466) The Bible foretold that the Harlot (false Church) would assert power over ALL of the Earth. “Then he said to me, ‘The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.’ ” Revelation 17:15 “We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) hold the primacy over the whole world.” (Source: Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)
Ionikios Slone You are no Christian that’s for sure. You accuse that’s the Devil title accuser. The Catholic Church is Christ Church the one he planted from the beginning. You are attacking Christ himself when you attack his Church the only Church that can trace itself back to Christ himself the only Church that’s true to him by doing what pleases him. The only Church that has Christ himself present in the Tabernacle ( Eucharist)
Wow. You have a gift to explain something in very simple terms. Most educational videos are overcomplicated. It's very easy to listen to you and follow what you say.
I was raised in a Protestant Church and have since come back into communion with Rome. I spent much time exploring Orthodoxy. I cry every time I think about the schism (which is often). As one born an outsider to both Churches and a child of divorce it is absolutely heartbreaking that our two Churches are in schism. It honestly felt like my parents asking me to choose a parent when exploring Western and Eastern Churches.
@@chayanroychoudhury3091 I think there is one major reason and that is papal authority. Now I know thatd a firestorm from my experience in the Orthodox realm but hear me out I'm not some "Deus Vult everyone must unconditionally submit" kind of guy. I want to emphasize that I'm not a theologian and wont try to act like one. It seems to me (I'm sure there are exceptions) that most Orthodox that I've encountered have 0 interest in reunion with the West at all which to me is anti biblical how Jesus wanta the church to be one just as he and the Fatherare one. I wont claim that Rome always is correct but just as Satan inflitrated the RC with peodophile prelots I think he also inflitrated the EO with bitterness and lack of desire to reunite. If our churches could come back think of how strong we could be to muater against new atheism or the attack of Islam. So by papal authority I mean the power the pope has to act as the head of the church and make disputing bishops sit down and talk it out with councils. Like a parent making two fighting children ait down amd make up after a fight. Again I'm no theologian but what I saw between Moscow and Constantinople over Ukraine made me think this is why we need a pope a third party to settle these infighting disputes.
@@anthonycarroll6546 Because Satan's infiltration does not change the fact it is the authentic original church. More so I find it cowardly that anyone would rather leave than fight to reclaim Christs Church.
@@njohn6995 Unfortunately, humans are always divided. A condition of the fall is our duplicity, which instead of repairing it, plays out in the public square as us vs. them, right vs. wrong. We're all guilty.
@@njohn6995 Eph 4:1-32 is pretty clear that is exactly how it would be UNTIL we come to the "unity of faith" and thus we were to NOT get carried away with the teachings of men, synods, and extrabiblical hierarchies, traditions, and all manner of political, earthly lusts .. unfortunately for Catholics of all varieties (east to west to every variety of "reformed" etc) you do not realize that us coming to the unity of faith is the work of The Holy Spirit finalized at glorification... It is tragic that Our Lord Jesus echoed the words of Isaias repeating the warnings about men setting aside the Commandments of God for the teachings of men: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" (Isaiah 29:13) "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9).... "How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" (John 5:44).... Tragic answer is "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." (John 12:43) sadly: They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. (Jon 2:8) and those that hold men in admiration could care less what God has said...
I'll be sure to use this info at my next home group meeting. Perhaps I'll say something like, "Hey, does anybody know about the Great Schism of 1054? You don't? Well let me tell you what I learned from watching Ryan Reese's channel...." Three points stood out for me: a) East/West mindset b) Authority c) filioque a) The side-by-side pictures of Eastern Orthodox Bishops and Pope illustrates the worldview divide between East/West. Eastern culture values community, conformity Western culture values individuality, independence b) Authority- I believe this difference in worldview played a part in why the West wanted independence from the East ( Let's not forget the role of the sinful nature acting in the lives of the West's Church leaders...power corrupts...) c) By providing the political and theological context, you gave me the best explanation of why filioque was such a big deal Thanks. I'm a new subscriber.
Im orthodox. What I found to be very funny,is the fact that,after the Great Schisma ,both Churches put anathema to each other.Meaning they cursed each other! Nice!
I'm pleased to have finally found a video that does more than brush over the topic of the Great Schism. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into making this to help us better understand what happened.
As an Orthodox Christian I found your lecture illuminating for its perspective. Orthodoxy, even today, considers itself the original church. But if we look at the experience of our spiritual cousins, the Georgian, Armenian and the other "oriental" churches, one has to wonder if all this talk about primacy is important. Glory to Jesus Christ! Indeed, Glory forever.
@@johnsherfey3675it’s theology. The Church cannot be divided because it is the Bride of Christ. Christ cannot have more than one bride. There is One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church, and it cannot be divided just as Christ’s body cannot be divided.
I seen inside an Orthodox Church for the first time recently, I was saddened that we are not united in one belief, one mind. To my Eastern Christian Brothers we are a new generation together and what separated us in the past we were not a part of. Let us pray that we become united once more. Amen Your brother in Christ.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining the history and theology behind this in such a clear and concise way! Let's continue to pray for the reunification of these two great Churches--it seems to be working!
Somehow you manage to present history without too many names and dates, and you give a feel for how each party in a conflicted viewed themselves and the world. And concise and free! Thanks
Alaska 1st was a Russian property claim as missionaries came to the frontier of their country. So the USA purchased Alaska and ourselves California from the Russians and Spanish. So the Orthodox Church is very present in Alaska and California.
Thank you so much for this concise, balanced and illuminating history of the 'Great Schism'. I always felt that it was more about authority rather than theology as so many divisions in the various churches typically are. When I was studying Theology at university I was required to argue the separation only through the lens of Theology rather than History. I found the study empty as I was looking at the issue with one eye covered. Thank you for allowing me to see the issue with far more clarity. It would be good to hear your thoughts on the 'Historicity of Jesus'.
The Israeli Security and Intelligence Service? Yeah we should....it's time to destroy the synagogue of Satan once and for all....and let's be clear, I'm talking about wiping out Zionism....not Jews.
SonyDC it would be great if all Christians,brothers and sisters, would hold accountable all pedophile priests,not just relocating them,i mean real civil justice and that they would stop attempting to apply christian morality to non-christians...
@@damexipino - it's truer to say *homosexual* priests, pedos are different - the problem now coming out was gay priests who had joined the priesthood to avoid the problems of their sexuality in abstinence, found themselves being indoctrinated with "free love" immorality propaganda in the seventies - they weren't sick, just gullible. It was the time of the second Vatican council and young priests thought they were being progressive...
SonyDC I agree 100% but most " Christians in the west do NOT know the difference between islam and Christianity in Syria." all thest - fake- Christians rather help muslims as catholics. they 95% thinks we have the same god.
I love these types of videos where the lecturer gets to the point and delivers the content. Usually, lecturers will drone on and on and draw a lecture out that could be half as long and twice as interesting if they would just focus on getting the job done and straightforward.
As someone brought up in the west as a Protestant, this is all very fascinating and also very sad. Jesus’s prayer in the gospel of John chapter 17 expresses His desire that we might be one together with Him and with the Father. When Rome broke away and left the other four, it was the start of a fracture that still goes on today, with more than 20,000 denominations today. I’ve come to realize I’m an offspring of the fracture.
Excellent job on summarizing this history! My doctorate is in Church History as well, and I minister at a high level in the RC Church. I can tell you that the average RC does not know this history. You are providing a wonderful service!
24:31 I must say, I find it interesting that although one of the issues dividing East and West was iconoclasm, the Eastern Patriarch is wearing a more decorative outfit than the Western Pope.
Orthodox houses in Ukraine were supposed to have a "red corner" with icon or the home would be considered unholy. Idolatry is MANDATORY in Orthodoxy. There are official russian Orthodox churches "of Vladimir-Suzdal icon of Mary", for example. Whole CHURCHES dedicated to worshiping a single piece of wood from somewhere else, which includes icons of Bloody Nicholas, the Czar, Stalin, and now even putin. At this point, Orthodoxy is tied with Bank of Vatican's peado-Catholicism and Donald-trump worshiping protestants for the three most ridiculous Christian denominations.
It's because it never was a dividing issue. Iconoclasm was strangling the Eastern Church and the Western Church fought against it, but so did the holy men of the Eastern Church. The 7th Ecumenical Council, held in Constantinople, condemned iconoclasm as a heresy and reestablished icons in worship. This is a commonly venerated council between Orthodox and Catholics. While this period of Christian history can be used as an example of rising tensions between the East and West, it cannot be said at all that iconoclasm was a dividing issue between the Orthodox and the Catholics, both of whom hate and condemn iconoclasm.
I'm very familiar with this history. It seemed the last time the Eastern Roman army did anything for the Bishop of Rome was coming to the Italian peninsula to oust the Ostrogoths. When they got there, the Ostrogoths mysteriously disappeared never to be heard from again. The Byzantine army went back to Constantinople and then the Pope and his Catholics faced another threat - the Lombards. That was when they called upon the Franks for assistance and the Franks eventually became the militant guardians of the Roman Church and of course, this led to the formation of the Holy Roman Empire with a Frankish king as its emperor. This is why the conversion of the Franks was so vital to the survival of the Roman Catholic faith.
This is the Western Scism. The Western Church was the one that delivered the letter of excommunication to the Eastern Church because the Western Church established 1 man to be in absolute rule over the Church. Also, a Pope then went ahead and ordered the Changing of the Nicene Constantinople Creed. The Pope was only supposed to be first among equals, not absolute ruler.
Well the early church didn't see the pope as having just a primacy of honor. The pope often presided in councils and synods that concerns matters of morals and faith and his opinion can overturn a council or a synod. Infact his opinion is sought after in order for a council to be universally accepted by the whole church. The pope often exercised authority outside of his own jurisdiction but the scope can occurrence can vary based on the time period and political factors that are involved.
Thank you for posting this lecture. Very informative. Being born to a Calvinist mother and E Orthodox father... this was something of a contradiction in teaching and belief! You have done much to clarify the issues both theological and historical. Presented in an interesting and disinterested fashion, as all your lectures are.
@@PaxTecum777 early church father's many disagreed with each other. If read them would know. Cause man is not infallible. I would say stick with more early Apostolic father's or the apostles writings in New testament
Wonderful lecture. It is a very good account of the differences between the Eastern and Western Churches. As an Orthodox Christian, I hope for a reconciliation of the two Churches. Dr. Reeves' lectures on all topics that I have only recently seen are superb. Thank you for your work and sharing it with us.
@@nicotri9722 I agree with you, but also I have faith that, one day, all the will feel the power of the Holy Spirit and ACT upon it to offer and receive forgiveness. Unfortunately, too many hold on to the past. That precludes forgiveness for all.
So glad to see this video. I have been an avid reader of history for years, but usually the schism is just referred to in passing, not explained in depth. Thank you!
Thank you for this concise understanding of the root of the Schism between the East and West. I've often thought that pride and wanting power were really two keys behind the splitting of the Body of Christ.
@@rcm4u2 Except we do not have the horrendous fasts that the Armenian and Assyrian Orthodox do. I know these two Orthodox Churches best because I have friends who belong to both. They can't eat most foods during their very long fasts.
Fascinating. Down here in New Zealand we have very small orthodox community - very rarely something comes up in the news and I have never seen or heard anything personally (in our small country that is unusual and means it is rare). So have often wondered what the scisum was about.
8:40 The Eastern Emperor at the time was actually an Empress, Empress Irene because the West argued that the position of Emperor was vacant because she was a woman.
The East would have argued the same thing. Irene did not rule in her own right, but only as a regent for her son Constantine VI. She was never recognized as the actual sovereign empress, and was overthrown shortly after blinding her son to keep power. There was never a Roman Empress like there is a Queen of England today. The idea of a female monarch was unthinkable; in fact, in some places in the West a women would have had an easier time ruling.
Couldn’t the Holy Roman Emperor have a suitable single male relative to send to Empress Irene to satiate her feminine lust and form a marriage alliance to head off this split?
@@lawrencebrown3677 What about her? She wasn't even the first queen of England. Most of her problems were religious or political, not because she was a woman.
As a non-believer interested in the history of religions I found this video very instructive. It did nothing to change my views but that was not its intent. It was clear, concise and explained the topic very well.
Understandable. Church politics can be extremely damaging and divisive to even the most ardent believer. I've rejuvenated my Christian walk by going back to the basics where I study the scripture as to how relates and benefits mankind on a personal level. I'm reading Tony Dungy's (ex NFL ciacj) daily devotoonal "Dare to be uncommon" It really is a well written uplifting book to begin the day with. It brings a short dsily scripture into contact with our world. Take care friend.
@@suppaman12 Hello and thank you for the question. Technically, we are all agnostic because no-one can 'know' gods exist, only believe or not. At 65 years old, I have been an agnostic atheist for over 40 years and as a student of religion and the bible for much of that time, I have found nothing to change my view. I do not and cannot know there is no god but I do not believe there is. I am a humanist. I am convinced that the supernatural does not exist and, as such we must do our best to help each other, the planet and the other forms of life with which we share it. We must take pride in our achievements and resposibility for our failures and crimes, without needing to thank or worship a diety for the good, or blame one for the bad.
@@Outspoken.HumanistThe devil doesn't waste his time with you. His mission is take send as many souls to hell as he can.The ones who believe in God are the ones he goes after with a vengeance. And in this battle is where the evidence lies. In miracles, visions, messages and grace. You're not getting any younger. There is still time. Use it wisely.
@@Murlo. 😂 I like it. But, if you will, let’s pretend you’re serious for a moment, to allow me make a point. I hope it’s not too boring. It is interesting that the Devil character is entirely absent from the bible and is a post biblical invention, using ideas borrowed from Hellenism and then applied in error to misunderstood passages. Satan simply means opposer or adversary and is a role or function, not a name. We might think of it as a 'devil's advocate' whose job is to be a contending voice in debate. Lucifer is even more fascinating. It comes from two incorrect translations laid atop of each other. Firstly, a translation of a Hebrew phrase in Isaiah, “shining one, son of the dawn” which was a sarcastic reference to a Babylonian king with delusions of grandeur. It was translated into Greek by the Septuagint as Theophorous which was another name for the planet Venus, also known as the morning star. Later, in his translation to Latin, Jerome used the word Lucifer, which was the planet’s other name. From all that we get the idea of Satan as person and Lucifer as Satan, and the post biblical development of the Devil came to be associated with the word Satan and the name Lucifer but all of it is the invention of men, after the bible was written, and is merely folklore. So, your funny comment just shows how men can create their own demons and then convince themselves they are real and that is why only Christians are possessed. It’s in their minds. Have a good one.
... AND such a wonderful audience; and a veritablr ARMY of posters, completely in tune with each other - and not a bad word to say about each other! Remarkable!!
I just want to thank you for taking a completely neutral stance on this and just sharing the facts, too many times I see educators and people in the comments pushing down certain narratives based on their biases like the Pope just wanted to usurp power and thats why we are no longer in communion with the east and vice versa, you can really tell there's a lot of anti this or that mindset and sentiments and it's easy for any one of us to follow in the echo chamber as we see our own beliefs or faiths attacked.
Ive seen a couple of documentaries about the church and from what I saw, things that happened are bound to happen. The best I can do as a Christian is to live my life as a good person, stay away from sin and help people in need as best as I can. Its very interesting tho to hear the history and I thank you for uploading this
The pic with all the orthodox priests at 11:50 , THATS MY CHURCH. the priest on the left is my father of confession i see every week. That pic was taken at a coptic orthodox church in los angeles. small world! :D
That's cool man! It was the only pic I could find where Orthodox priests are standing lined up like this. I thought it was a good representation of the 'united brothers' style of leadership in Orthodoxy. :)
Pictured are "Oriental Orthodox" which broke off in the 500's. They are different from the Canonical "Calcedonian" Eastern Orthodox. JUst so you know. :)
When you say that the Eastern emperor looked upon the crowning of Charlemagne with suspicion, it was actually the Eastern EMPRESS: Irene of Athens. In fact, some argued at the time that the pope could crown Charlemagne the emperor because the office of Roman Emperor was vacant; a woman could not hold it. Also, there may have been plans to have a marriage alliance between Charlemagne and Irene.
LOVE IT!! Thanks for your hard work and gracious spirit. I'm a typical Evangelical/ Baptist preacher's kid / charismatic / Christian., I began stumbling on the Orthodox Church about 15 years ago, and was shocked, amazed, and delighted to find that I was brother to the largest Christian Church in the world. I went back and looked at my church history textbook from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and was shocked to discover that the entire subject of the great schism was given one page in our textbook! Talk about a myopic view point! Anyway, loved this teaching, look forward to listening to lots more.
Sure this video is for historical purposes but I remind people the words of Paul: "I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose. For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters. Some of you are saying, “I am a follower of Paul.” Others are saying, “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Peter” or “I follow only Christ.” Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not! I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, for now no one can say they were baptized in my name. Oh yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas, but I don’t remember baptizing anyone else. For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News-and not with clever speech, for fear that the cross of Christ would lose its power." 1 Corinthians 1:10-17 "Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval." Romans 14:1-4
I'm not so sure both need to be cleansed or corrected first. I think the most important thing is that both churches accept who the actual head of the church needs to be. Hint hint, it's not the Pope. And it's not the Patriarchy either. (It's Jesus.) It's a shame the schism has lasted so long, given that this has come up before. See Luke 22:24 etc. Point is, fighting over who will be the greatest is the wrong fight. And really, fighting over who will be the greatest is the primary factor in the divisions that have happened in the church. More or less, the Protestant Reformation was the result of people realizing just how much the Catholic Church had been corrupted. They had invented theology, kept the people ignorant of their special relationship with Christ, weakened Christ's power over death, and muddied the Gospel with idol worship. At the time, much of the Catholic Church agreed with the reformation. They were ousted from the church prior to the Catholic Reformation, which cemented the view to be the polar opposite of the reformation. It's all just power grabs. The thing is, most of theology is pointless to squabble over. Will Christ come pre or post tribulation? Should we remember notable historical figures or not? What should be the place of tradition in the church? These are important, but they are not worth the division that exists within the church. The only thing of importance within Christianity is Romans 10:9. "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That establishes who is the lord of the church, and from that there's not much room for infighting. I question whether or not the Catholic Church has strayed too far from accepting Romans 10:9. The Pope is not the head of the Church. The Pope does not save from sin. And neither can any Saint or other Christian. And, you can not save yourself from sin through works. Nor are works required to save. (Nor do they aid in salvation.) So long as the Catholic Church dethrones God for a man with a shiny hat and denies the saving power of Christ, how am I supposed to justify calling them Christians? They are no different from pagans. They worship a fancy pantheon of human men and believe that their own deeds are meritorious enough to grant them access to heaven. But I somehow doubt that all Catholics truly believe the theology of the Pope. Romans 10:9 isn't that well hidden, nor is it the only passage that conveys the same meaning (both testaments scream the same thing on repeat... it can get a little annoying, even). It's just a very concise version of it. If the Catholic Church ever decides to accept Romans 10:9, then there really isn't any reason all of the churches can't finally reunite under one banner, which is Christ. If all report to Jesus alone, why are we calling ourselves different names when in so doing we hinder others from finding Christ? Christ's mission is to spread the Gospel and make Disciples not to convolute the Gospel and scare people away with complex history lessons in minutia nobody cares to sit through just to learn that none of it really matters. Yeah, your history lessons are fun for the history nerds, but most people are not history nerds. Myself excluded, apparently.
mathig nihilcek no basically what we have here are 2 governing bodies that want ultimate authority because of greed and popularity. There’s a god complex within the pope for sure, to have gone along and changed up scriptures or meanings on it own - through its own interpretations, thus leading the masses to astray and allowed to be taken over by a satanic cult doctrine that was originally out of Babylon by these Pharisees Christ pointed out in the first place when they started a belief system. The very secret they keep from people is that they are divine in their own right and like Christ in the flesh. They built a church of stone and Christ god built a temple in us. They keep us in them so we won’t ever know who we are. People will always be looking outside of them self’s for salvation when it’s always been in the temples God gave us. Know thyself and step out of man made madness. It’s part of the beast system these controllers use to keep us captive.
That's not necessary. Catholics split from orthodoxy because orthodoxy by definition means abiding by the old ways. Then catholics further split into thousands of churches and denominations. So they'd need to come back to the old and true ways in that case.
Fascinating, organized, and very clear lecture. Everything from historical context, cultural differences, theological differences, and ultimately, "who is in charge," this lecture helped me alot.
I'm a self-study student of church history. This is facinating in the context of how we (the Church) have ended up where we are. You did a great job of simplifying conplexity.
The idea of leavened vs unleavened bread is of course to Orthodox is show that Christ is risen as the bread is risen and it is a new passover this time a passover from death to life.
The unleavened bread is purely about the Passover in Exodus 12, with the unleavened bread and unblemished lamb consumed to make the journey to the Promised Land. The Passover is symbolic of our spiritual journey (hopefully) to Home, called Heaven. Christ, our Lord and Master, spoke of this in John 6:31-33. Manna was unleavened. Symbolism is important to our Lord. It is a mirror image of the Truth Eternal, or what is TRULY Sacred and Holy. That which is symbolic of Eternal makes it holy and sacred on earth, a reflection of IT. Human marriage is sacred and holy BECAUSE its mirrors [reflects] the Eternal, the Marriage of the Bridegroom, Christ, to the Bride, the Church. Christ is the Bridegroom of your soul, your true Eternal Lover. The Church is perfectly One in Heaven by this very possession of our souls. But only through the Immaculate One, called Mother. Mother speaks of an Eternal, if only in Christ. The Incarnation of the Word took place FIRST in Her Heart and Soul, Virgin EVER!
@@iNdUsTrIaLrOcKeR4U "Your fathers ate the bread Moses gave them in the desert, and they are dead. The bread that I will give you leads to eternal life". So why not use leavened bread to demonstrate the new reality of the risen Lord?
@@groblerful Actually the manna in Exodus was unleavened bread... "...In the morning there was a layer of dew all about the camp, 14 and when the layer of dew evaporated, fine flakes were on the surface of the wilderness, fine flakes like hoarfrost on the ground. " [Exodus 16:13-14]
Cultural differences has divided and separated people in every human theater from the beginning. It is just as evident and prevalent today as it was then. You can call it political or theological or anything else all you want, but the real reason for any Schizim is human nature.
This is probably one of the best videos I have seen on the subject. Thank you Ryan Reeves for an excellent explanation of such a historic event! I am a proud Phanariot! My grandparents and my father are from Constantinople and they knew several Patriarchs and I have heard many stories of Papal/Patriarch rapprochement. My father was a cantor in the Greek church and attended (briefly) seminary in Halki. Hopefully one day there will be unity.
With the rise and rapid growth of Islam the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches need to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past and unite again as One Holy Catholic and Apostolic. The islamic Government of turkey considers the patriarch of Constantinople as "a minor cleric of an unimportant Christian sect." Look what islam did to the magnificent Church of "Holy Wisdom" in Constantinople. They have the same plans for Saint Peter's in Rome and the patriarch of the west.
In the Filioque matter, being a Byzantine Orthodox, we say: "who proceeds from the Father, who is with Father and Son", emphasizing on that the Holy Spirit arises from the Father only, but is also part of the Trinity
@@leonardopavese4551 I mean, does the spirit beget the son? Like the Scriptures to say that the Spirit came over the Virgin and she conceived of the Son. The issue of the filioque are that if you assume the logic of the father and the son being one (which no one denies) which means that they both spirate the spirit eternally (which florence and lyons teach btw) how then is the spirit not subordinate? Unless you say the spirit also begets the son (see my argument above for that). At which point, you're really just missing the point that the spirit is spirated from the father alone, from eternity, and the Son is begotten from the Father alone eternally. The balance of the Trinity is maintained. Furthermore, the council of ephesus clearly condemns any changes to the Creed! it anathametizes those who change the creed. So even if the theology is worked out through some mental gymnastics, you still have to face the music that it is flat out wrong to change the creed as a single person or patriarchate
Byzantine Catholic (Eastern Orthodox in Communion with Rome) here, and I just wanted to stop in and say hi in the comments section from the Eastern side of Catholicism. Look into the Union of Brest if you’re curious about us. You are welcome to join us. We have married priests and practice all of the Orthodox Faith while also being in Full Communion with Rome, the Chair of St. Peter. We model unity after the end of the Great Schism, which we pray for often. God bless!
Alexander Duvall In Greece we call you 'Unites' degoratary. Because you unite with Latin Rome instead of Greek Constantinople.Anyway, it is your right to do as you wish. But you have to abolish Greek Byzantine rite, clothes, and follow Roman Catholic, so there is no misunderstanding.
Which Orthodox church chants do you like, though? Greek Orthodox sounds very different from Syriac Orthodox, which is different also from Russian Orthodox, etc I personally like Syriac Orthodox chants (which are ancient middle-eastern style), and Greek Orthodox. I di not know much about Russian Orthodox, unfortunately.
@@Србоћетнићкивојвода Love between consenting adults cannot be Satanic because God is love, and Satan is not as evil as you might imagine, if he is even real at all. Read your bible more thoroughly.
Read the Holy Bible and you will see that homosexuality is a sin. Satan is a liar and is evil and he will be brutally punished by God in hell with all his sinners
Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants are 'man-made boxes' that keep us apart. Remember to love one another as JESUS loves us, rather than judging each other. Lots of love from Indonesia❤️❤️❤️
@vonshtoyven You are completely incorrect and based on your other posts i think you have been dropped on your head when you were born. Catholics originate from the early Christians in Rome. St. Peter and Paul both died in Rome and founded the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic just means universal. Catholics organized and determined what the Bible is now. Everyone was Catholic in the first and second century. Catholics caused the spread of true Christianity.
They are spiritual diets that we choose to follow. Orthodox spiritual diet was from the Apostles who were trained by Jesus Christ... Since then, there are many who think their diets are better. I disagree. But we are called to love all. God bless you.
I pray that all Christians to follow the new commandment given by our LORD JESUS: to love one another as HE loved us, which by this all will know that we are HIS disciples...(John 13:34-35) I believe every denomination has their strengths and weaknesses, when we unite we are capable of doing the impossible by HIS power. We, being many (denominations), are one body in CHRIST...(Romans 12:3-8) I am keen to reach out to those who are deceived by the belief that JESUS CHRIST is not GOD or those who question THE HOLY TRINITY concept, or those who believe there is no hell. Those people really need help, they are lost and there are many...
Thunder Thumbz a “diet” is something to live by to keep your body in shape by filtering bad so you only take in only the good. I said spiritual diet... and how we live here on earth is absolutely going to be discussed when we kneel and our tongues confess and betray us. Loving God is common through all denominations, but cleansing our sins and forgiving everyone is very important. If your denomination believes that there is nothing left to do after being born again... you may want to rethink it. Jesus lead by example... and he trained the Apostles who were the first Bishops that wrote most of the scripture. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to the Bishops... to bind or loosen sin in heaven. So if your denomination eliminated Bishops... you may want to rethink your spiritual diet. Choosing this spiritual diet is the most important thing that you can do, so make sure you chose one that is similar to the original diet of the Apostles and that would be liturgical.
Fascinating sir. I'm deeply appreciative for your channel and teachings. These two men didn't just throw a tantrum; they acted like children fighting over a doll that one claims belongs to the other. Everyone wants to be the boss, but there can only be one, and it is the only and only glorious God. We've a massive problem with today's Evangelicals, (I dare not call it religion), with money-grubbing Televangelists building Madison Square-like churches, living in luxury and demanding tithes, originally destined by Jesus to help the less fortunate. (Forgive me for going a bit off topic, but it's unGodly the church defines itself as the Vatican, for it portrays nothing but power, greed and the misuse of our Lord and Savior's original teachings. Sadly, the Vatican, whose vast riches could end most if not all poverty chooses to relish and encourage devotion by world leaders, who kiss his ring and call him "Holy Father" is against God's purpose for sending Jesus to save the world. I'm no expert, but a Christian who needs no middle men or diverse patriarchs to define my relationship with Jesus Christ. Regardless of what they're called, the Pope's and his counterparts are nothing more than apostles, one of God's many representatives on Earth who are supposed to be doing His works and not squabbling for primacy. God bless you.
Take off your mask. It’s enough to see it at the store. Ugh, people need to get back to human living and quite buying the covid lies. It’s been way blown up and exaggerated
I'm getting close to the orthodox church with a past in the catholic church and I wanted to know what happened that it splitted both churches in the past... I can't say that I'm surprise, it's so common in our nature to see these things happening, I'll be alive when the millenia since this separation occurs..I hope by that time we learned the lesson and let things go... Cheers from Argentina, thank you very much for your video.
Thank you for this! I am studying everything I can get my hands on to understand why this happened, and how the Church is trying to fix it. We are all one body in Christ, and, We are the Body of Christ! The enemy is not this church nor that, the enemy is satan, who comes to rob, still kill, and divide.
@@nicodemuseam I’ve studied Catholicism pretty hard for a few years, but as we know, EO is WAY harder to “study” from the outside. One cannot consider that church’s theology without +actually going+, and no two churches are really the same. This is sorta what Protestantism is like now, since they’ve largely discarded the Bible as the supreme authority. That said, the “bath water” is energiea(s) and elevating Mary and the deceased-of-this-world saints to creation that is elevated to omniscience and omnipresence. We are never promised little-g godhood. Rather, we are promised no tears and suffering and being with Christ when we pass from this life. We are promised *in this life* that *Jesus, the Christ* intercedes for us. I don’t need to ask non-omniscient and non-omnipresent beings, for anything in prayer. To me, that’s bathwater with no baby, as the Christ offered there is a weak Godhead to require the intervention of created beings. That said, I do understand the experience, smells, bells and rituals are great.
You did a very good job. However, I would like to add the following: 1) The "Eastern Church" does not subsist only in the Orthodox Church. There are also Eastern Catholics in the sui iuris Catholic particular churches (commonly called as the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church). These churches have liturgies in their apostolic patrimony but are in full communion with the bishop of Rome. So the Church is composed of 24 of rites. The one we can "Roman Catholic" is really just one of them: the Latin Catholic Church (the only Church in the Latin Rite). The other 23 Churches are of the Eastern Rites. So my main point: There are Eastern Catholics as well as Eastern Orthodox. 2) With regards to saying the Creed in Greek, the Eastern Catholics say the Creed in their own tradition. The Greek Catholics do not say the filioque when said in Greek because the word in Greek does give problematic implications when in that language. But if said in English (or Latin, for that matter), the problem of double-procession is not automatically implied. This is why even the Pope does not say the filioque if the liturgy is in Greek.
This is the Ουνία (eastern catholic) propaganda and lies. 1. Omitting the filioque from the Greek version of the creed 2. keeping an orthodox liturgy etc reminds wolf in sheep clothing tactics! You can have no trust when you see the pope accepting a church that is different, example: the eastern Catholics have an orthodox liturgy that has got so many non Roman Catholics elements in it! You cannot make the church a diplomatic field where interest comes first! The filioque is not about language! and THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS MORE THAN CAPABLE TO EXPRESS FILIOQUE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OMIT IT (και το υιου). Omitting it, just means that you don’t care for the Truth as much you care for papal primacy I have seen the pope omitting it, I have seen all these arguments when pope came in Athens, I saw the local greek ουνία bishops express the same arguments you give, absolute lies. Ουνία is 100 times more dangerous than papacy itself, cause is a wolf in sheep clothing. Unfortunately none knows about this evil, you go in an fully orthodox church, everything orthodox, and if you are not careful to listen the name of Francis during liturgy you will keep believing is an orthodox church How can you trust people that recite with their mouth the creed without filioque and in the same time they kiss the slippers and obey to him who promotes the filioque, the pope
@@TisDoulos wow harsh words coming from a 'christian' You better read the Catechism on why we respect the eastern catholics and their liturgies. The roman liturgy is not the only liturgy in the Catholic Church, you know.
@@TisDoulos are you christian orthodox? Can you suggest any reliable sites of church history please. I see you study also stragetics of the devil.any audio books you can suggest about their stagetics or sites please.God bless you .
@@ronronyjerardo r.c. is not a church at all I am afraid While my words are harsh my heart is not, I have nothing against individuals/people themselves. especially a former atheists like me who has endless shameful sins cannot speak against anyone personally
@@TisDoulos I am smiling as I write this, but...if you want to be taken seriously, I think it would help if you got a native English speaker to do basic copyediting for you. I like to study church history, and I see that you are passionate about what you are trying to say.
When learning about the Great Schism One must view it through a clear prism And must take no actions Ere distinguishing factions And finally applying Christ’s chrism.
You forgot to mention the difference between the Eastern Orthodox view of the Trinity. The East follows the model of the Cappadocian fathers whereas the West follows the Augustinian model. Also, the reason why the Eastern churches use leavened bread as opposed to unleavened is that they believe the last supper to have occurred on the Thursday night and not the Friday (bearing in mind the calculation of a day as beginning with what we would consider to be the previous evening). On whichever day the last supper took place, Christ was not in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights if he rose on the Sunday morning. I'm surprised no-one has ever highlighted that point.
Thanks. On the surface - disputes about how to pray, underneath - battles for power and money. The Pope "appointed" the Kings in the West (like Shia), the Emperor in Constantinople "appointed" the Patriarchs (like Sunni). I don't know which is worse.
The purpose of the Church is not some religious superstition, but to preserve the Empire. I couldn't care less about the creed, but the power of Rome is sacred to me. And BTW - money was not even invented by the time of the schism, so nobody battled over it.
Great objective documentary. I am amazed at how much I am relying on "non-historians" (as a very active amateur historian myself) to bring factual representations of history to light. I am sad to say that "historians" these days have a propensity to put the spotlight on themselves and how amazingly righteous they are by implementing their current, modern understandings and ideals upon the characters and life-examples that history has to offer. Give us the facts and let us determine our own understanding. Great job Mr. Reeves.
In 1054, Pope Leo IX sent a letter to the Patriarch, citing a large portion of the Donation of Constantine believing it genuine.[3] "The first pope who used it [the Donation] in an official act and relied upon it, was Leo IX; in a letter of 1054 to Michael Cærularius, Patriarch of Constantinople, he cites the "Donatio" to show that the Holy See possessed both an earthly and a heavenly imperium, the royal priesthood." Some scholars say that this letter of September 1053, the text of which is available in Migne, Patrologia Latina, vol. 143, coll. 744-769, was never actually despatched, but was set aside, and that the papal reply actually sent was the softer but still harsh letter Scripta tuae of January 1054.[4] Leo IX assured the Patriarch that the donation was completely genuine, not a fable or old wives' tale,[citation needed] arguing that only the apostolic successor to Peter possessed primacy in the Church.
As well as pride being the main sin, Satan must enjoy seeing a divided Church of Lord Jesus Christ. We as a Body of Believers are vast in number. Together, we can at least unite in spirit in Christ and maybe eventually if God's Holy Mercy allows it, His Body will never again be injured for so long, and we can all fight the inner good fight together. We are all Sons and Daughters of Almighty God.
@Lân Nguyễn Hoàng Primarrily the pope(s) felt left alone by the emperors(s) in the battles against the Langobards. This happened due to the decline of the byzantine power. And yes the pope thought that by crowning the emperor his superiority was fixed.
@@wendyflanagan5738 bless your heart sister... as your words are truly a blessing of heart to those with ears to hear. To those who are of the heart and not of the mind. May my Lord and God bless you wendy, you and your family. I see who you are through the words you wrote as i can feel the "intent" of your words. Keep the whole armor on sister.. and be steadfast in prayer. Those "of the world" have not a single clue the pages of prophecy, the LIVING WORD OF GOD in the Bible are turning... keep your Faith and know that i Love you just as i love everyone and i love the potential in them to come to and know Christ. God can take it all away from all of them lost and wandering in their own little darkness without and guidance or any answers as to why theyre even here. God can heal that broken heart and ahow them all a love that absolutely cannot be put into words as there are NO WORDS that could ever describe something truly heaven sent. Love no human love is capable of producing and its all done by being made a new creation in CHRIST...the Alpha & Omega.. To those whom do not know the one and only Father... The Creator, the one whom breathed the very LIFE you LIVE with into YOUR lungs... to all those people that are fed up with life and want to just end it... thats who JESUS is for.... you see, people people are likened to that if a book... they all wear a cover, ther have a beginning and an end and pages full of everything therein which makes them who they are. However, pages get torn and shredded by the elements around them.. just as people do by the things around them... I pray that everyone open the BOOK ... the WRITTEN word of God... the ONLY LIVING WORD that IS, WAS and IS TO COME as it is ETERNAL. COME TO CHRIST all ye whom are ConFUsEd and SAD and HURT by YOUrself or by anyone. REPENT & TURN & SEEK FORGIVENESS while theres still TIME as TIME is running out. GOD who is the Father of Time as he Created Time, Space and Matter created ME and all people...even YOU.. take heed to advice people of the world as its all true. JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS IS RETURNING SOON.
Thank you for this amazing presentation. Listening to this made me feel I was back at UCLA taking history classes. I minored in Roman history and this fascinates me.
Thank You so much! I wondered what happened about all this? I didn't understand who the Eastern Orthodox were? Now, you've explained it in such a way that I have been able to finally grasp it! Very much appreciated! Thank You!
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This is outstanding. I am Catholic, my cousin is Orthodox. I remember he told me he doesn't have so much a theological issue with the filioque but that the Western Church did not have permission to do such a thing. I remember when Pope Benedict removed the title of Patriarch of the West from his titles. He did this in an effort to remove the bloviated titles of the pope. However, the Patriarch of Constantinople issued a rebuke as this was seen by the east as an attempt by the pope to be the patriarch of the world. It is fascinating. At the end of the day, we humans just have too much pride.
Good post. Yes...pride is a right little 'bug' in our character.
Was it Pope Benedict who removed that title? I always thought it was Pope Francis?
I agree with the Patriarch on this one. Surely there are other titles that could be dropped. Especially after all the work the past few decades in bringing the East & West closer.
There are theological reasons though outside of you can't change the creed. Mainly that if I understand correctly, that when speaking of the Trinity, it either has to be true of all of the members of the trinity, or only true about one. Thus you can't have the Holy Spirit coming from both the Father and the Son without (albeit inadvertently) calling into question the divinity of the Holy Spirit.
@@Nutrition_Nut It's language. The Greek and Latin mean different things. Recent conversations suggest that both the west and east believe the same thing. The Holy Spirit is generated and proceeds from the father. The word proceeds in the west does not mean generated as it does in Greek. Rather I proceed out of my door but my house did not generate me. Christ can also send the Holy Spirit. However, in the Greek, it is better not to use the term as it would suggest Jesus generates the Holy Spirit. He does not. So the Catholic and Orthodox Church agree. John 15:26. Last note, this addition to the creed was added to fight heresy in the west that sought to show that Jesus was not fully God but that the Holy Spirit was another name for God. Anyways, I've read a ton on this. I have found that most people do not give an honest take of the various arguments. Language is a sticky thing. Words mean different things in different languages.
Your videos have changed my outlook on religion. I have watched approximately 95% of your TH-cam content. Your lectures on Tolkien have influenced me in a way that I will never forget. Thank You Sir.
That's a shame since he's a lost devil
@@a.d.marshall2748what??
I can´t believe these videos are much more interesting, not to mention more informative, than history channel documentaries, with all the money they invest in their productions
Tomas Grimm
Hey it pass to peform a show. Even if it a cheap show your money is still used.
Tomas Grimm And facts ain't that big a deal on the TV programs.
History channel goal is not inform but propaganda
that's the tragedy of trying to appeal to a wider audience - you have to lose substance in the process
That is because history channel is not in the business of informing and educating you, but in that of entertaining you. Mostly achieved through targeted propaganda.
As an Orthodox Christian I have to say that this is one of the best presentations of church history I have seen. A lot of historians have maintained that the eventbin 1054 was an excommunication of the entire Eastern and Western halves of the Church but in reality it was between just Humbert and the Patriarch. Thise excommunications were rescinded in the 1960's I believe.
They were, by Paul VI and Athenagoras. However, not all of the Orthodox Churches accepted the nullment of the anathemas and excommunications, some even saying that the monks at Mount Athos stopped naming Athenagoras in their prayers due to ecumenism.
I don't believe those "lifting of anathemas" have any force; The RC's are still estranged from the Orthodox Faith, and show no signs of repentance; In fact, in the last century or so, it's gotten worse.
I believe the best we can hope for is individual conversions to Orthodoxy.
@@nicodemuseam true story. The Roman Church has a very skewed view of history in that they will say the Orthodox split off from them as though we were the original Protestants. I had one guy who does a Catholic blog tell me the Orthodox Church didn't start until the 1600s!
As an orthodox Christian I want to thank you for this very informative and enlightening history. I will tell others to read it. thank you. ❤😊
Wooow.. wow. Thank you so much for the clarification
I'm Eastern Orthodox and a Scot (Orthodox Christianity came to Scotland through St. Ninian who died in 432 AD). You did a good job here. Thank you for that.Sometimes people ask me if we Orthodox believe in Christ or read the Bible. It's pretty pitiful how little people know about Christian history. They must think the Bible fell from the sky!A few basic questions might be answered on the 'Theoria' TH-cam video's done by Fredrika Mathewes Green.
Orthodox is Roman Paganism
It is very interesting that people know so little about Orthodox. It does not matter if they are Coptic, Greek or Russian Orthodox. The lack of knowledge is astonishing to me. The people who have asked me about Orthodox are shocked to find out that the the western Church, known as the Roman Catholic, was the result of the schism. And many do not know of the resulting splits such as the Lutheran from the Roman Church. NIce to see other Orthodox here. Blessings.
Bonnie Johnston, that claim about St Ninian is totally false and crazy . It;s like you claiming that St Bede the Venerable was a secret Russian monk. Total fib! St. Ninian was a Briton who'd trained in Rome. His Episcopal See was named after St Martin of Tours ( Latin Church ). He was ALWAYS part of the Latin Church and ALWAYS obedient to the authority of the Pope. He had nothing to do with what you refer to as "Orthodox". That term was not in use when St. Ninian was alive. There's no association between St Ninian, what you now call "Orthodoxy". Next you'll also claim that St Patrick was a secret Greek cleric.
Respectfully, before 1054 there was no separate Roman Catholic Church. Rome in the West was a Patriarchy like Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and the governing center was still Constantinople.
I thought St Ninian was in Scotland before there was an 'orthodox' church, when there was just the roman church(and various small sects). Any info?
A very clear and simple explanation to me. The History Channel left true history a long time ago when they started programs like ‘American Pickers’.
All "educational programs" on tv or cable have the goal of making money, not informing or actually teaching anyone anything...
American Pickers is a great show!
Ancient Aliens is great, too. Although far less, "Historical," lol it's still fun and entertaining.
@@thomasjust2663 watch PBS documentaries. They are straight to the point and fantastic.
the Catholic church was the first organized Christian church and from that came orthodox church than came Protestantism!! I used to be Christian but I'm converting to Islam because it just makes so much sense to me!! When I heard The Quran being recited I cried and weeped it really touched me!! But I love my fellow Christian Brothers and sisters and wish the best for them!! It's all about God and surrendering to Him!!
@@andrewortiz9226 You never knew or have lost understanding of true Christianity. I beg you to go back and pray for wisdom and understanding of your need for "Salvation, which is only through Jesus Christ's birth, death, and restriction. Come to know this, Christianity is not a religion. It is being IN CHRIST and Christ in you.
thank you for this explanation of the schism. i am a (Russian) Orthodox Christian born and raised in america originally as a first baptist. you are the first non orthodox person to present a non biased view of the schism that i can appreciate. the only issue i take with presentation is that in 2004 when the patriarch and the pope recited the nicene creed as it has been since it was created, you failed to mention that westerners did ask pope john paul II why he agreed to recite the creed in its original form and he acknowledged that it is carved in stone in its original form without the filioque above St. Peter's entrance. but again, best non biased presentation of schism that i can appreciate
The Orthodox church has better hats.
at least they do not look like fish heads. the catholic church is trying hard to reunite eveyone. based on hats alone it is not going to happen.
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I’m pretty sure ZZ Top are Orthodox, Texas Orthodox.🧙🏿♂️🎸
Snd often bo brains under. Orthodox here.
09:40 - 962 : Otto 1st : H R E
10:30 -
10:55 - 1049 : Pope Leo 9th
11:05 - Church Relations
11:33 - Church Governance
11:48 - Eastern Church Governance
12:30 -
12:57 - Antioch - - Alexandria - - Constantinople - - Jerusalem - - Rome
14:10 - Modern Patriarchs
14:30 - East & West difference
God bless.
This is a really smart idea. You can even extend it its usefulness by using TH-cam on p.c. Simply add a few identifying tags to the post and then use (cntrl+f ) using those tags as search terms and you have yourself a linked outline.
26:15 Humbert ?
Humbert was sent tby Pope Leonlll to Constantinoples for fighting or negotian his Papacy.Ortodox church from Antiochia,Alexandria,Niceea ,Libya andAthena and Constantinople rejected Leon,s lll proposal with his primacy.Explenation:all the Apostoles of JESUS CHRIST are EGUAL in rights,no ones can be big than other!Humbert was very angry and go back to Rome😅😅😅.
I had no idea of the Orthodox church until i visited a renaissance festival and found a the Jesus prayer in an Orthodox church tent. Fascinating when I started to look into the Church and how I felt a connection. To me the Original Christian church
I don't understand the need to have an all seeing God who will judge you and the threat of eternal dam nation to be a good person. I manage pretty well without it.
@@jbarton1541 oh do you? Let's just play every thought, every word you say, and every physical action you take on tv, for the world to see how "good" of a person you really are.
Also, with no God, there is no objective definition of "good" anyways. All you have is your own, miniscule opinion.
@@jbarton1541 Then why comment that? Do you think anyone cares what you think about it? Nope.
@@jbarton1541
"Goodness" requires a likeness to that which is Good; In the case of the Orthodox Christian, Who; The God-man Jesus Christ, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
I daresay that without faith in God, the Holy Trinity, and in particular the person of the God-man Jesus Christ and His death and Resurrection, with the fullness of the Orthodox Faith, you have no justification for your worldview.
On what basis do you logic? On what basis do you science? What foundation have your morals?
The most important question: What is going to happen when you die?
Nothing good, I'm afraid. The same goes for me, in my current state: An Orthodox Christian lacking repentance towards God. I am the worst man I know... Yet God, in His mercy, provides for our sustenance, gives us to rise each day for another shot at repentance...
Maybe today is the day that you give up your false autonomy, and cry out to Jesus Christ to save you from this bitter life full of death and decay. He stands at the door; Do you let Him into your life?
God is everywhere present and fills all things; the uncontainable, uncircumscribable, immaterial(excepting the human nature of Jesus), all-merciful, all-loving, all-powerful God, Who, in this moment, holds you in existence despite your unbelief in Him.
Your whole life He's been angling for your attention; He's hidden in His Commandments, and I'm sure you know some of them by heart: Do not steal, do not murder, honor your mother and father... Love your God with all your strength and all your mind and all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself;
There are times that you've done good and you've known it. There are times that you've done evil, and you know that it was wrong. Your conscience, the voice of God inside you, which cries out when everything inside and outside is silent...
It is why you drown yourself in noise, in pleasures, in company, in sleep; Anything to push away the silence and the thought of your death, like the yawning void it represents in your future existence...
@@nicodemuseam good stuff man. God bless
As an Anglican. The more I study the Eastern Orthodox, the more there is that I really love.
The Orthodox way is really rewarding, it opens the heart and awakens the mind
The answers to my deepest questions I found (and I WAS searching!) in orthodoxy, in writings of fathers, monks. And I am not an Orthodox. Yet. Orthodoxy most of all has those truly saintly men and women that God greatly worked through the lives of. Just by reading their biographies one can become a Christian, that's how inspiring it is.
@FightPeople lmao, where did you find women diacon?
@FightPeople that's just a bunch of sensationalist hogwash
Mariology is bad doctrine. E.O. practices this. I’d avoid it for that reason.
You're a good teacher. This is the first video on this topic that makes sense to me.
My struggle for decades to find the early church like in the story of the Apostles prompted me to dig through the internet (TH-cam) Thank God I finally found the orthodox church
I may not be a man of any faith, but this subject matter is just too interesting to pass up. Theology has been a crucial part of history, no doubt about it.
Christ-Chan
Ditto.
@Joseph Burton no one can take this precious gift of life away now that stalin is dead. Igor sikorsky
If you’re Catholic, these Bible truths are shared out of love for you, because you may not know what God has declared to you in His Holy Word.
Read through the list and see what the Bible reveals about the leaders of the Catholic Church.
You don’t have to understand all of the prophecies and their fulfillment, just simply read through the study to see how the Bible specifically describes the Catholic Church.
The Bible foretold that the church of the antichrist would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.
“The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4
“The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet… The pectoral cross should be made of gold and… decorated with gems…” (Source: Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopedia, 1991, p. 175, 178, 466)
The Bible foretold that the Harlot (false Church) would assert power over ALL of the Earth.
“Then he said to me, ‘The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.’ ” Revelation 17:15
“We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) hold the primacy over the whole world.” (Source: Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)
Ionikios Slone
You are no Christian that’s for sure.
You accuse that’s the Devil title accuser.
The Catholic Church is Christ Church the one he planted from the beginning.
You are attacking Christ himself when you attack his Church the only Church that can trace itself back to Christ himself the only Church that’s true to him by doing what pleases him.
The only Church that has Christ himself present in the Tabernacle ( Eucharist)
Wow. You have a gift to explain something in very simple terms. Most educational videos are overcomplicated. It's very easy to listen to you and follow what you say.
thank u
I was raised in a Protestant Church and have since come back into communion with Rome. I spent much time exploring Orthodoxy. I cry every time I think about the schism (which is often). As one born an outsider to both Churches and a child of divorce it is absolutely heartbreaking that our two Churches are in schism. It honestly felt like my parents asking me to choose a parent when exploring Western and Eastern Churches.
What made you choose Roman Catholic instead of Orthodox?
@@chayanroychoudhury3091 I think there is one major reason and that is papal authority. Now I know thatd a firestorm from my experience in the Orthodox realm but hear me out I'm not some "Deus Vult everyone must unconditionally submit" kind of guy. I want to emphasize that I'm not a theologian and wont try to act like one. It seems to me (I'm sure there are exceptions) that most Orthodox that I've encountered have 0 interest in reunion with the West at all which to me is anti biblical how Jesus wanta the church to be one just as he and the Fatherare one. I wont claim that Rome always is correct but just as Satan inflitrated the RC with peodophile prelots I think he also inflitrated the EO with bitterness and lack of desire to reunite. If our churches could come back think of how strong we could be to muater against new atheism or the attack of Islam. So by papal authority I mean the power the pope has to act as the head of the church and make disputing bishops sit down and talk it out with councils. Like a parent making two fighting children ait down amd make up after a fight. Again I'm no theologian but what I saw between Moscow and Constantinople over Ukraine made me think this is why we need a pope a third party to settle these infighting disputes.
@@LucasKellis That makes sense. Thanks a lot.
Why did you go back to the church knowing satan has infiltrated it?
@@anthonycarroll6546 Because Satan's infiltration does not change the fact it is the authentic original church. More so I find it cowardly that anyone would rather leave than fight to reclaim Christs Church.
We Orthodox sometimes joke that the Pope was the first Protestant!
Orthodox ended up divided like protestants .
@@njohn6995 Unfortunately, humans are always divided. A condition of the fall is our duplicity, which instead of repairing it, plays out in the public square as us vs. them, right vs. wrong. We're all guilty.
Such a sad thing to joke about
Lies not detected
@@njohn6995 Eph 4:1-32 is pretty clear that is exactly how it would be UNTIL we come to the "unity of faith" and thus we were to NOT get carried away with the teachings of men, synods, and extrabiblical hierarchies, traditions, and all manner of political, earthly lusts .. unfortunately for Catholics of all varieties (east to west to every variety of "reformed" etc) you do not realize that us coming to the unity of faith is the work of The Holy Spirit finalized at glorification... It is tragic that Our Lord Jesus echoed the words of Isaias repeating the warnings about men setting aside the Commandments of God for the teachings of men: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" (Isaiah 29:13) "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9).... "How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" (John 5:44)....
Tragic answer is "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." (John 12:43)
sadly:
They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. (Jon 2:8) and those that hold men in admiration could care less what God has said...
I'll be sure to use this info at my next home group meeting. Perhaps I'll say something like, "Hey, does anybody know about the Great Schism of 1054? You don't? Well let me tell you what I learned from watching Ryan Reese's channel...."
Three points stood out for me: a) East/West mindset b) Authority c) filioque
a) The side-by-side pictures of Eastern Orthodox Bishops and Pope illustrates the worldview divide between East/West.
Eastern culture values community, conformity
Western culture values individuality, independence
b) Authority- I believe this difference in worldview played a part in why the West wanted independence from the East ( Let's not forget the role of the sinful nature acting in the lives of the West's Church leaders...power corrupts...)
c) By providing the political and theological context, you gave me the best explanation of why filioque was such a big deal
Thanks. I'm a new subscriber.
Im orthodox. What I found to be very funny,is the fact that,after the Great Schisma ,both Churches put anathema to each other.Meaning they cursed each other! Nice!
I'm pleased to have finally found a video that does more than brush over the topic of the Great Schism. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into making this to help us better understand what happened.
As an Orthodox Christian I found your lecture illuminating for its perspective. Orthodoxy, even today, considers itself the original church. But if we look at the experience of our spiritual cousins, the Georgian, Armenian and the other "oriental" churches, one has to wonder if all this talk about primacy is important. Glory to Jesus Christ! Indeed, Glory forever.
Georgians are Eastern Orthodox.
It definitely matters. The one Church of Christ exists visibly and cannot be divided.
@@AndersonBush-gb2kv I'm ignorant to where it says it can't be divided, so I'm curious to ask where in the bible it says such?
@@johnsherfey3675it’s theology. The Church cannot be divided because it is the Bride of Christ. Christ cannot have more than one bride. There is One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church, and it cannot be divided just as Christ’s body cannot be divided.
@@countryboyred If multiple organs with different functions are separated in the body, does that make them not part of it?
I seen inside an Orthodox Church for the first time recently, I was saddened that we are not united in one belief, one mind. To my Eastern Christian Brothers we are a new generation together and what separated us in the past we were not a part of. Let us pray that we become united once more. Amen
Your brother in Christ.
We love you, brothers and sisters of Christ fr. lapu_lapu. city. Cebu philippines.
The Great Internet Reunification. Amen. Lol.
@@joeessig3550 LOL.
@@joeessig3550 Lol XD
THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining the history and theology behind this in such a clear and concise way! Let's continue to pray for the reunification of these two great Churches--it seems to be working!
Somehow you manage to present history without too many names and dates, and you give a feel for how each party in a conflicted viewed themselves and the world. And concise and free! Thanks
Very well explained, with no particular axe to grind, Thank you
I've lived on both coasts of the U.S and multiple states throughout the country and I've met very very few people who actually know what orthodoxy is.
i live in alaska the church has a big presence here we call russian orthodox
Alaska 1st was a Russian property claim as missionaries came to the frontier of their country. So the USA purchased Alaska and ourselves California from the Russians and Spanish. So the Orthodox Church is very present in Alaska and California.
Orthodox or Russian Old Believers
I live in Alaska. The Church has a big presence here. We call it Russian Orthodox.
Punctuation is awesome!
@@Amateur0Visionary which church?
@@simplewick350 i was simply retyping OP's message with punctuation.
Thank you so much for this concise, balanced and illuminating history of the 'Great Schism'. I always felt that it was more about authority rather than theology as so many divisions in the various churches typically are. When I was studying Theology at university I was required to argue the separation only through the lens of Theology rather than History. I found the study empty as I was looking at the issue with one eye covered. Thank you for allowing me to see the issue with far more clarity. It would be good to hear your thoughts on the 'Historicity of Jesus'.
It would be great if ALL Christians would help their brothers and sisters in Christ who are suffering under ISIS.
The Israeli Security and Intelligence Service? Yeah we should....it's time to destroy the synagogue of Satan once and for all....and let's be clear, I'm talking about wiping out Zionism....not Jews.
Yes, it is our problem also. But Islam still has its inner problem with Mohammad.
SonyDC it would be great if all Christians,brothers and sisters, would hold accountable all pedophile priests,not just relocating them,i mean real civil justice and that they would stop attempting to apply christian morality to non-christians...
@@damexipino - it's truer to say *homosexual* priests, pedos are different - the problem now coming out was gay priests who had joined the priesthood to avoid the problems of their sexuality in abstinence, found themselves being indoctrinated with "free love" immorality propaganda in the seventies - they weren't sick, just gullible. It was the time of the second Vatican council and young priests thought they were being progressive...
SonyDC I agree 100%
but most " Christians in the west do NOT know the difference between islam and Christianity in Syria."
all thest - fake- Christians rather help muslims as catholics.
they 95% thinks we have the same god.
I love these types of videos where the lecturer gets to the point and delivers the content. Usually, lecturers will drone on and on and draw a lecture out that could be half as long and twice as interesting if they would just focus on getting the job done and straightforward.
As someone brought up in the west as a Protestant, this is all very fascinating and also very sad. Jesus’s prayer in the gospel of John chapter 17 expresses His desire that we might be one together with Him and with the Father. When Rome broke away and left the other four, it was the start of a fracture that still goes on today, with more than 20,000 denominations today. I’ve come to realize I’m an offspring of the fracture.
Fake weirdo stop lying
Become orthodox
Imagine being Jewish and realizing that christianity is legitimate 😅
Rome did not break away, the eastern churches broke away. Becoming the first Protestants.
@@oliveri9407 So 4 patriachs were wrong and 1 was right? Why did they split, when the pope existed before like catholics say
Excellent job on summarizing this history! My doctorate is in Church History as well, and I minister at a high level in the RC Church. I can tell you that the average RC does not know this history. You are providing a wonderful service!
24:31 I must say, I find it interesting that although one of the issues dividing East and West was iconoclasm, the Eastern Patriarch is wearing a more decorative outfit than the Western Pope.
I’ve noticed Greek, Russian and Coptic orthodox still use plenty of icons still
Orthodox houses in Ukraine were supposed to have a "red corner" with icon or the home would be considered unholy. Idolatry is MANDATORY in Orthodoxy. There are official russian Orthodox churches "of Vladimir-Suzdal icon of Mary", for example. Whole CHURCHES dedicated to worshiping a single piece of wood from somewhere else, which includes icons of Bloody Nicholas, the Czar, Stalin, and now even putin. At this point, Orthodoxy is tied with Bank of Vatican's peado-Catholicism and Donald-trump worshiping protestants for the three most ridiculous Christian denominations.
@@KasumiRINA right on!
It's because it never was a dividing issue. Iconoclasm was strangling the Eastern Church and the Western Church fought against it, but so did the holy men of the Eastern Church.
The 7th Ecumenical Council, held in Constantinople, condemned iconoclasm as a heresy and reestablished icons in worship. This is a commonly venerated council between Orthodox and Catholics.
While this period of Christian history can be used as an example of rising tensions between the East and West, it cannot be said at all that iconoclasm was a dividing issue between the Orthodox and the Catholics, both of whom hate and condemn iconoclasm.
I'm very familiar with this history. It seemed the last time the Eastern Roman army did anything for the Bishop of Rome was coming to the Italian peninsula to oust the Ostrogoths. When they got there, the Ostrogoths mysteriously disappeared never to be heard from again. The Byzantine army went back to Constantinople and then the Pope and his Catholics faced another threat - the Lombards. That was when they called upon the Franks for assistance and the Franks eventually became the militant guardians of the Roman Church and of course, this led to the formation of the Holy Roman Empire with a Frankish king as its emperor. This is why the conversion of the Franks was so vital to the survival of the Roman Catholic faith.
This is the Western Scism. The Western Church was the one that delivered the letter of excommunication to the Eastern Church because the Western Church established 1 man to be in absolute rule over the Church. Also, a Pope then went ahead and ordered the Changing of the Nicene Constantinople Creed. The Pope was only supposed to be first among equals, not absolute ruler.
Well the early church didn't see the pope as having just a primacy of honor. The pope often presided in councils and synods that concerns matters of morals and faith and his opinion can overturn a council or a synod. Infact his opinion is sought after in order for a council to be universally accepted by the whole church. The pope often exercised authority outside of his own jurisdiction but the scope can occurrence can vary based on the time period and political factors that are involved.
Thank you, Ryan Reeves, for posting great historical lessons here on TH-cam.
Thank you for posting this lecture. Very informative. Being born to a Calvinist mother and E Orthodox father... this was something of a contradiction in teaching and belief! You have done much to clarify the issues both theological and historical. Presented in an interesting and disinterested fashion, as all your lectures are.
wow! THAT is some match!
Christmas and Easter must be interesting at your house
Growing up in Protestantism and other sects of Christianity, I find this fascinating. Very good job with this video.
Same here as a Catholic.
then you better convert to be a catholic because you have to read early church fathers.
Better to Orthodoxy
watch Jay Dyer on youtube and become orthodox.
@@PaxTecum777 early church father's many disagreed with each other. If read them would know. Cause man is not infallible. I would say stick with more early Apostolic father's or the apostles writings in New testament
Wonderful lecture. It is a very good account of the differences between the Eastern and Western Churches. As an Orthodox Christian, I hope for a reconciliation of the two Churches. Dr. Reeves' lectures on all topics that I have only recently seen are superb. Thank you for your work and sharing it with us.
It will never happen. The Pope backstabbed the Orthodox church when he allowed the 4th Crusade that sacked Constantinople, to happen.
@@nicotri9722 I agree with you, but also I have faith that, one day, all the will feel the power of the Holy Spirit and ACT upon it to offer and receive forgiveness. Unfortunately, too many hold on to the past. That precludes forgiveness for all.
@@stevenmassey2276 Too many differences in Church doctrine at this point, for the churches to ever unite.
They cannot unite as long as the Bishop of Rome claims that he is the Vicar of Christ on Earth.
I, as a catholic, also longing for unity. One thing that really needed is godly humility from each other.
So glad to see this video. I have been an avid reader of history for years, but usually the schism is just referred to in passing, not explained in depth. Thank you!
I'm not a Christian, but I found this talk very interesting. Thank you.
Ditto
Thank you for this concise understanding of the root of the Schism between the East and West. I've often thought that pride and wanting power were really two keys behind the splitting of the Body of Christ.
I love my Eastern Orthodox brothers..I'm Catholic
Rich Lo, me too!
@@rcm4u2 I am Orthodox and love my Catholic Brothers. I love the one Holy Catholic and apostolic church.
Michael McCombs yep, I’m Roman Catholic, with lots of good Eastern Orthodox friends and neighbors. The differences are small, IMO.
@@rcm4u2 Except we do not have the horrendous fasts that the Armenian and Assyrian Orthodox do. I know these two Orthodox Churches best because I have friends who belong to both. They can't eat most foods during their very long fasts.
@@inlandwatchreviews5745, I see we both love watches!!
Fascinating. Down here in New Zealand we have very small orthodox community - very rarely something comes up in the news and I have never seen or heard anything personally (in our small country that is unusual and means it is rare). So have often wondered what the scisum was about.
You need to have a hungi mate and cook the Churchie's, Just like the old days.
8:40 The Eastern Emperor at the time was actually an Empress, Empress Irene because the West argued that the position of Emperor was vacant because she was a woman.
The East would have argued the same thing. Irene did not rule in her own right, but only as a regent for her son Constantine VI. She was never recognized as the actual sovereign empress, and was overthrown shortly after blinding her son to keep power. There was never a Roman Empress like there is a Queen of England today. The idea of a female monarch was unthinkable; in fact, in some places in the West a women would have had an easier time ruling.
Couldn’t the Holy Roman Emperor have a suitable single male relative to send to Empress Irene to satiate her feminine lust and form a marriage alliance to head off this split?
@@gwlevits What about Elizabeth I of England ?
@@lawrencebrown3677 What about her? She wasn't even the first queen of England. Most of her problems were religious or political, not because she was a woman.
Replaced by fat men with beards...something ripped from Life of Brian...they BOUGHT some of those beards I think at 1:02.
As a non-believer interested in the history of religions I found this video very instructive. It did nothing to change my views but that was not its intent. It was clear, concise and explained the topic very well.
Understandable. Church politics can be extremely damaging and divisive to even the most ardent believer.
I've rejuvenated my Christian walk by going back to the basics where I study the scripture as to how relates and benefits mankind on a personal level.
I'm reading Tony Dungy's (ex NFL ciacj) daily devotoonal "Dare to be uncommon"
It really is a well written uplifting book to begin the day with. It brings a short dsily scripture into contact with our world.
Take care friend.
How are you faring? Still agnostic?
@@suppaman12 Hello and thank you for the question. Technically, we are all agnostic because no-one can 'know' gods exist, only believe or not.
At 65 years old, I have been an agnostic atheist for over 40 years and as a student of religion and the bible for much of that time, I have found nothing to change my view.
I do not and cannot know there is no god but I do not believe there is.
I am a humanist. I am convinced that the supernatural does not exist and, as such we must do our best to help each other, the planet and the other forms of life with which we share it. We must take pride in our achievements and resposibility for our failures and crimes, without needing to thank or worship a diety for the good, or blame one for the bad.
@@Outspoken.HumanistThe devil doesn't waste his time with you. His mission is take send as many souls to hell as he can.The ones who believe in God are the ones he goes after with a vengeance. And in this battle is where the evidence lies. In miracles, visions, messages and grace. You're not getting any younger. There is still time. Use it wisely.
@@Murlo. 😂 I like it.
But, if you will, let’s pretend you’re serious for a moment, to allow me make a point. I hope it’s not too boring.
It is interesting that the Devil character is entirely absent from the bible and is a post biblical invention, using ideas borrowed from Hellenism and then applied in error to misunderstood passages.
Satan simply means opposer or adversary and is a role or function, not a name. We might think of it as a 'devil's advocate' whose job is to be a contending voice in debate.
Lucifer is even more fascinating. It comes from two incorrect translations laid atop of each other.
Firstly, a translation of a Hebrew phrase in Isaiah, “shining one, son of the dawn” which was a sarcastic reference to a Babylonian king with delusions of grandeur.
It was translated into Greek by the Septuagint as Theophorous which was another name for the planet Venus, also known as the morning star.
Later, in his translation to Latin, Jerome used the word Lucifer, which was the planet’s other name.
From all that we get the idea of Satan as person and Lucifer as Satan, and the post biblical development of the Devil came to be associated with the word Satan and the name Lucifer but all of it is the invention of men, after the bible was written, and is merely folklore.
So, your funny comment just shows how men can create their own demons and then convince themselves they are real and that is why only Christians are possessed. It’s in their minds.
Have a good one.
This is a fantastic lecture. Quality of this channel in general is also great.
... AND such a wonderful audience; and a veritablr ARMY of posters, completely in tune with each other - and not a bad word to say about each other! Remarkable!!
@@glutinousmaximus That's only because there's no politics in this comment section
I just want to thank you for taking a completely neutral stance on this and just sharing the facts, too many times I see educators and people in the comments pushing down certain narratives based on their biases like the Pope just wanted to usurp power and thats why we are no longer in communion with the east and vice versa, you can really tell there's a lot of anti this or that mindset and sentiments and it's easy for any one of us to follow in the echo chamber as we see our own beliefs or faiths attacked.
Ive seen a couple of documentaries about the church and from what I saw, things that happened are bound to happen.
The best I can do as a Christian is to live my life as a good person, stay away from sin and help people in need as best as I can.
Its very interesting tho to hear the history and I thank you for uploading this
Trust in Christ alone!!!
Good brother in Christ, I will pray for you. God is God regardless of denomination. Pray for me as well.
You have a nice neutral tone with excellent intonation, you could be reading the phone book and I'd still enjoy listening.
Thanks for this history lesson. I just found your channel and always interested in learning on how we arrived at where we are today.
You've done such a great job of explaining such a complex issue. Thanks for making this.
Kings and Generals has a video on The Great Schism of 1054. But it focuses much more on the political causes of the schism. It is worth viewing.
The pic with all the orthodox priests at 11:50 , THATS MY CHURCH. the priest on the left is my father of confession i see every week. That pic was taken at a coptic orthodox church in los angeles. small world! :D
That's cool man! It was the only pic I could find where Orthodox priests are standing lined up like this. I thought it was a good representation of the 'united brothers' style of leadership in Orthodoxy. :)
Pictured are "Oriental Orthodox" which broke off in the 500's. They are different from the Canonical "Calcedonian" Eastern Orthodox. JUst so you know. :)
Try looking up the 1025th Anniversary of the Baptism of Rus for pictures of ALL of the Canonical Patriarchs / Heads of churches together in 2013. :)
Franco Toma are you a good genji
Orthodox is Romanism just like Catholicism
Hello from Serbia-(Serbian-Orthodox-Church)
Christ is Risen, from America:)
Carlos Deangelo hey 👋 I’m thinking of moving to Serbia early next year. I’m a life long Roman Catholic. We all get along there right?
🖐🏻 Hello Carlos
@@axlcinema Go to Croatia.
lester andes hahaha thx man, but I want avoid the EU if possible. Serbian gun culture is also better than Croatia.
When you say that the Eastern emperor looked upon the crowning of Charlemagne with suspicion, it was actually the Eastern EMPRESS: Irene of Athens. In fact, some argued at the time that the pope could crown Charlemagne the emperor because the office of Roman Emperor was vacant; a woman could not hold it. Also, there may have been plans to have a marriage alliance between Charlemagne and Irene.
LOVE IT!! Thanks for your hard work and gracious spirit. I'm a typical Evangelical/ Baptist preacher's kid / charismatic / Christian., I began stumbling on the Orthodox Church about 15 years ago, and was shocked, amazed, and delighted to find that I was brother to the largest Christian Church in the world. I went back and looked at my church history textbook from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and was shocked to discover that the entire subject of the great schism was given one page in our textbook! Talk about a myopic view point! Anyway, loved this teaching, look forward to listening to lots more.
Wow 😮! This says a lot about our Protestant culture in America (assuming you are American).
Sure this video is for historical purposes but I remind people the words of Paul:
"I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose. For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters. Some of you are saying, “I am a follower of Paul.” Others are saying, “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Peter” or “I follow only Christ.”
Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not! I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, for now no one can say they were baptized in my name. Oh yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas, but I don’t remember baptizing anyone else. For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News-and not with clever speech, for fear that the cross of Christ would lose its power." 1 Corinthians 1:10-17
"Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval." Romans 14:1-4
Yeah but Yeshua Messiah and all the Apostles spoke of a departure from the original faith, destructive heresies,
I pray for East and West to be united.
do you want the catholic church to unite with the orthodox church or the opposite?
I'm not so sure both need to be cleansed or corrected first. I think the most important thing is that both churches accept who the actual head of the church needs to be. Hint hint, it's not the Pope. And it's not the Patriarchy either. (It's Jesus.) It's a shame the schism has lasted so long, given that this has come up before. See Luke 22:24 etc. Point is, fighting over who will be the greatest is the wrong fight. And really, fighting over who will be the greatest is the primary factor in the divisions that have happened in the church.
More or less, the Protestant Reformation was the result of people realizing just how much the Catholic Church had been corrupted. They had invented theology, kept the people ignorant of their special relationship with Christ, weakened Christ's power over death, and muddied the Gospel with idol worship. At the time, much of the Catholic Church agreed with the reformation. They were ousted from the church prior to the Catholic Reformation, which cemented the view to be the polar opposite of the reformation. It's all just power grabs.
The thing is, most of theology is pointless to squabble over. Will Christ come pre or post tribulation? Should we remember notable historical figures or not? What should be the place of tradition in the church? These are important, but they are not worth the division that exists within the church. The only thing of importance within Christianity is Romans 10:9. "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That establishes who is the lord of the church, and from that there's not much room for infighting.
I question whether or not the Catholic Church has strayed too far from accepting Romans 10:9. The Pope is not the head of the Church. The Pope does not save from sin. And neither can any Saint or other Christian. And, you can not save yourself from sin through works. Nor are works required to save. (Nor do they aid in salvation.) So long as the Catholic Church dethrones God for a man with a shiny hat and denies the saving power of Christ, how am I supposed to justify calling them Christians? They are no different from pagans. They worship a fancy pantheon of human men and believe that their own deeds are meritorious enough to grant them access to heaven. But I somehow doubt that all Catholics truly believe the theology of the Pope. Romans 10:9 isn't that well hidden, nor is it the only passage that conveys the same meaning (both testaments scream the same thing on repeat... it can get a little annoying, even). It's just a very concise version of it.
If the Catholic Church ever decides to accept Romans 10:9, then there really isn't any reason all of the churches can't finally reunite under one banner, which is Christ. If all report to Jesus alone, why are we calling ourselves different names when in so doing we hinder others from finding Christ? Christ's mission is to spread the Gospel and make Disciples not to convolute the Gospel and scare people away with complex history lessons in minutia nobody cares to sit through just to learn that none of it really matters. Yeah, your history lessons are fun for the history nerds, but most people are not history nerds. Myself excluded, apparently.
Na, it was united and two fat heads messed it up.
mathig nihilcek no basically what we have here are 2 governing bodies that want ultimate authority because of greed and popularity. There’s a god complex within the pope for sure, to have gone along and changed up scriptures or meanings on it own - through its own interpretations, thus leading the masses to astray and allowed to be taken over by a satanic cult doctrine that was originally out of Babylon by these Pharisees Christ pointed out in the first place when they started a belief system. The very secret they keep from people is that they are divine in their own right and like Christ in the flesh. They built a church of stone and Christ god built a temple in us. They keep us in them so we won’t ever know who we are. People will always be looking outside of them self’s for salvation when it’s always been in the temples God gave us. Know thyself and step out of man made madness. It’s part of the beast system these controllers use to keep us captive.
That's not necessary. Catholics split from orthodoxy because orthodoxy by definition means abiding by the old ways. Then catholics further split into thousands of churches and denominations. So they'd need to come back to the old and true ways in that case.
Fascinating, organized, and very clear lecture. Everything from historical context, cultural differences, theological differences, and ultimately, "who is in charge," this lecture helped me alot.
I'm a self-study student of church history. This is facinating in the context of how we (the Church) have ended up where we are. You did a great job of simplifying conplexity.
The idea of leavened vs unleavened bread is of course to Orthodox is show that Christ is risen as the bread is risen and it is a new passover this time a passover from death to life.
The unleavened bread is purely about the Passover in Exodus 12, with the unleavened bread and unblemished lamb consumed to make the journey to the Promised Land. The Passover is symbolic of our spiritual journey (hopefully) to Home, called Heaven. Christ, our Lord and Master, spoke of this in John 6:31-33. Manna was unleavened. Symbolism is important to our Lord. It is a mirror image of the Truth Eternal, or what is TRULY Sacred and Holy. That which is symbolic of Eternal makes it holy and sacred on earth, a reflection of IT. Human marriage is sacred and holy BECAUSE its mirrors [reflects] the Eternal, the Marriage of the Bridegroom, Christ, to the Bride, the Church. Christ is the Bridegroom of your soul, your true Eternal Lover. The Church is perfectly One in Heaven by this very possession of our souls. But only through the Immaculate One, called Mother. Mother speaks of an Eternal, if only in Christ. The Incarnation of the Word took place FIRST in Her Heart and Soul, Virgin EVER!
@Weberman Elisheva Explain how we are idol worshippers.
Plus leavened bread is shared with priest (priest eats a piece of that) having symbolic meaning
@@iNdUsTrIaLrOcKeR4U "Your fathers ate the bread Moses gave them in the desert, and they are dead. The bread that I will give you leads to eternal life". So why not use leavened bread to demonstrate the new reality of the risen Lord?
@@groblerful Actually the manna in Exodus was unleavened bread...
"...In the morning there was a layer of dew all about the camp, 14 and when the layer of dew evaporated, fine flakes were on the surface of the wilderness, fine flakes like hoarfrost on the ground. " [Exodus 16:13-14]
I can’t believe this content is free. Thank you, so much.
Wow, you are an excellent teacher. Thank you for posting this account.
Oh wow. This is so informative. Excellent work. So much to study...so limited time.
God bless all my Orthodox and Catholic brethren out there from the Church of the East ❤
Great video series brother - this one in particular was excellent and well balanced
I never knew much about Eastern orthodoxy thank you for the informational video!
Hi Ryan, Have you considered a video on the topic of the great schism circa 1962 - Vatican 2. Recent history, but history nonetheless.
well done. Provides some wonderful information which I do not remember getting as a Protestant. Should be viewed by all who call themselves Christian.
Historically fascinating and thoroughly researched. I live it keeping history alive. Thank you
Cultural differences has divided and separated people in every human theater from the beginning. It is just as evident and prevalent today as it was then.
You can call it political or theological or anything else all you want, but the real reason for any Schizim is human nature.
This is probably one of the best videos I have seen on the subject. Thank you Ryan Reeves for an excellent explanation of such a historic event! I am a proud Phanariot! My grandparents and my father are from Constantinople and they knew several Patriarchs and I have heard many stories of Papal/Patriarch rapprochement. My father was a cantor in the Greek church and attended (briefly) seminary in Halki. Hopefully one day there will be unity.
With the rise and rapid growth of Islam the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches need to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past and unite again as One Holy Catholic and Apostolic. The islamic Government of turkey considers the patriarch of Constantinople as "a minor cleric of an unimportant Christian sect." Look what islam did to the magnificent Church of "Holy Wisdom" in Constantinople. They have the same plans for Saint Peter's in Rome and the patriarch of the west.
In the Filioque matter, being a Byzantine Orthodox, we say:
"who proceeds from the Father, who is with Father and Son", emphasizing on that the Holy Spirit arises from the Father only, but is also part of the Trinity
The Fourth Crusade did indeed worsen the situation. Thank you for the wonderful documentary!!
That’s a misreading of the
But if the Father and the Son are one...
@@hoponpop3330 its been nearly a year, will you finish your sentence please? I have things to do and I can't wait much longer!
@@leonardopavese4551 I mean, does the spirit beget the son? Like the Scriptures to say that the Spirit came over the Virgin and she conceived of the Son. The issue of the filioque are that if you assume the logic of the father and the son being one (which no one denies) which means that they both spirate the spirit eternally (which florence and lyons teach btw) how then is the spirit not subordinate? Unless you say the spirit also begets the son (see my argument above for that). At which point, you're really just missing the point that the spirit is spirated from the father alone, from eternity, and the Son is begotten from the Father alone eternally. The balance of the Trinity is maintained. Furthermore, the council of ephesus clearly condemns any changes to the Creed! it anathametizes those who change the creed. So even if the theology is worked out through some mental gymnastics, you still have to face the music that it is flat out wrong to change the creed as a single person or patriarchate
Your videos make TH-cam worthwhile! I would love it if you made one about Arianism, just to learn more about it.
Great video! TH-cam recommendations finally coming through with something good!
Thank you for this. Much needed content. Fantastic explanation. I knew some of the story, but this really cleared it up.
Byzantine Catholic (Eastern Orthodox in Communion with Rome) here, and I just wanted to stop in and say hi in the comments section from the Eastern side of Catholicism. Look into the Union of Brest if you’re curious about us. You are welcome to join us. We have married priests and practice all of the Orthodox Faith while also being in Full Communion with Rome, the Chair of St. Peter. We model unity after the end of the Great Schism, which we pray for often. God bless!
Alexander Duvall In Greece we call you 'Unites' degoratary. Because you unite with Latin Rome instead of Greek Constantinople.Anyway, it is your right to do as you wish. But you have to abolish Greek Byzantine rite, clothes, and follow Roman Catholic, so there is no misunderstanding.
I like the singing in the Orthodox church.
Which Orthodox church chants do you like, though? Greek Orthodox sounds very different from Syriac Orthodox, which is different also from Russian Orthodox, etc
I personally like Syriac Orthodox chants (which are ancient middle-eastern style), and Greek Orthodox.
I di not know much about Russian Orthodox, unfortunately.
@@shodan658 That is satanic flag on your profile.
@@Србоћетнићкивојвода Love between consenting adults cannot be Satanic because God is love, and Satan is not as evil as you might imagine, if he is even real at all.
Read your bible more thoroughly.
Read the Holy Bible and you will see that homosexuality is a sin. Satan is a liar and is evil and he will be brutally punished by God in hell with all his sinners
A priveledge to be here learning from you, sincere thanks for your channel!
Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants are 'man-made boxes' that keep us apart. Remember to love one another as JESUS loves us, rather than judging each other. Lots of love from Indonesia❤️❤️❤️
@vonshtoyven You are completely incorrect and based on your other posts i think you have been dropped on your head when you were born. Catholics originate from the early Christians in Rome. St. Peter and Paul both died in Rome and founded the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic just means universal. Catholics organized and determined what the Bible is now. Everyone was Catholic in the first and second century. Catholics caused the spread of true Christianity.
They are spiritual diets that we choose to follow. Orthodox spiritual diet was from the Apostles who were trained by Jesus Christ... Since then, there are many who think their diets are better. I disagree. But we are called to love all. God bless you.
@@spartanastas its not merely a diet but something that gives you eternal life. It fulfills the purpose of your entire existence.
I pray that all Christians to follow the new commandment given by our LORD JESUS: to love one another as HE loved us, which by this all will know that we are HIS disciples...(John 13:34-35)
I believe every denomination has their strengths and weaknesses, when we unite we are capable of doing the impossible by HIS power. We, being many (denominations), are one body in CHRIST...(Romans 12:3-8)
I am keen to reach out to those who are deceived by the belief that JESUS CHRIST is not GOD or those who question THE HOLY TRINITY concept, or those who believe there is no hell. Those people really need help, they are lost and there are many...
Thunder Thumbz a “diet” is something to live by to keep your body in shape by filtering bad so you only take in only the good. I said spiritual diet... and how we live here on earth is absolutely going to be discussed when we kneel and our tongues confess and betray us.
Loving God is common through all denominations, but cleansing our sins and forgiving everyone is very important. If your denomination believes that there is nothing left to do after being born again... you may want to rethink it. Jesus lead by example... and he trained the Apostles who were the first Bishops that wrote most of the scripture. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to the Bishops... to bind or loosen sin in heaven. So if your denomination eliminated Bishops... you may want to rethink your spiritual diet.
Choosing this spiritual diet is the most important thing that you can do, so make sure you chose one that is similar to the original diet of the Apostles and that would be liturgical.
Fascinating sir. I'm deeply appreciative for your channel and teachings. These two men didn't just throw a tantrum; they acted like children fighting over a doll that one claims belongs to the other. Everyone wants to be the boss, but there can only be one, and it is the only and only glorious God. We've a massive problem with today's Evangelicals, (I dare not call it religion), with money-grubbing Televangelists building Madison Square-like churches, living in luxury and demanding tithes, originally destined by Jesus to help the less fortunate.
(Forgive me for going a bit off topic, but it's unGodly the church defines itself as the Vatican, for it portrays nothing but power, greed and the misuse of our Lord and Savior's original teachings. Sadly, the Vatican, whose vast riches could end most if not all poverty chooses to relish and encourage devotion by world leaders, who kiss his ring and call him "Holy Father" is against God's purpose for sending Jesus to save the world. I'm no expert, but a Christian who needs no middle men or diverse patriarchs to define my relationship with Jesus Christ. Regardless of what they're called, the Pope's and his counterparts are nothing more than apostles, one of God's many representatives on Earth who are supposed to be doing His works and not squabbling for primacy. God bless you.
A true scholarly lecture thank you for the information
Take off your mask. It’s enough to see it at the store. Ugh, people need to get back to human living and quite buying the covid lies. It’s been way blown up and exaggerated
I'm getting close to the orthodox church with a past in the catholic church and I wanted to know what happened that it splitted both churches in the past...
I can't say that I'm surprise, it's so common in our nature to see these things happening, I'll be alive when the millenia since this separation occurs..I hope by that time we learned the lesson and let things go...
Cheers from Argentina, thank you very much for your video.
excellent, balanced and informative documentary. Thank you very much Ryan.
Thank you for this! I am studying everything I can get my hands on to understand why this happened, and how the Church is trying to fix it. We are all one body in Christ, and, We are the Body of Christ! The enemy is not this church nor that, the enemy is satan, who comes to rob, still kill, and divide.
St. Luke Itasca doctrine divides. We can’t unite under the banners of Mariology and praying to dead saints for intercession to Christ.
Why did this all happen because they did not stick with the Bible 2nd Timothy 2:15, Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles the church the body of Christ.
The enemy are the Saracens who have been attacking the Church relentlessly for the last 1400 years.
@@nicodemuseam theotokos was Christ-focused about the wonder of the hypostatic union. It wasn’t about the person of Mary.
@@nicodemuseam I’ve studied Catholicism pretty hard for a few years, but as we know, EO is WAY harder to “study” from the outside. One cannot consider that church’s theology without +actually going+, and no two churches are really the same. This is sorta what Protestantism is like now, since they’ve largely discarded the Bible as the supreme authority. That said, the “bath water” is energiea(s) and elevating Mary and the deceased-of-this-world saints to creation that is elevated to omniscience and omnipresence. We are never promised little-g godhood. Rather, we are promised no tears and suffering and being with Christ when we pass from this life. We are promised *in this life* that *Jesus, the Christ* intercedes for us. I don’t need to ask non-omniscient and non-omnipresent beings, for anything in prayer. To me, that’s bathwater with no baby, as the Christ offered there is a weak Godhead to require the intervention of created beings. That said, I do understand the experience, smells, bells and rituals are great.
Ryan Reeves, I am sorry I haven't found your work before today!
It's not your fault. It's the almighty TH-cam Algorithm.
A concise and clear expose served by a precise and objective mind as well as a perfect elocution
You did a very good job. However, I would like to add the following:
1) The "Eastern Church" does not subsist only in the Orthodox Church. There are also Eastern Catholics in the sui iuris Catholic particular churches (commonly called as the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church). These churches have liturgies in their apostolic patrimony but are in full communion with the bishop of Rome. So the Church is composed of 24 of rites. The one we can "Roman Catholic" is really just one of them: the Latin Catholic Church (the only Church in the Latin Rite). The other 23 Churches are of the Eastern Rites. So my main point: There are Eastern Catholics as well as Eastern Orthodox.
2) With regards to saying the Creed in Greek, the Eastern Catholics say the Creed in their own tradition. The Greek Catholics do not say the filioque when said in Greek because the word in Greek does give problematic implications when in that language. But if said in English (or Latin, for that matter), the problem of double-procession is not automatically implied. This is why even the Pope
does not say the filioque if the liturgy is in Greek.
This is the Ουνία (eastern catholic) propaganda and lies. 1. Omitting the filioque from the Greek version of the creed 2. keeping an orthodox liturgy etc reminds wolf in sheep clothing tactics!
You can have no trust when you see the pope accepting a church that is different, example: the eastern Catholics have an orthodox liturgy that has got so many non Roman Catholics elements in it! You cannot make the church a diplomatic field where interest comes first!
The filioque is not about language! and THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS MORE THAN CAPABLE TO EXPRESS FILIOQUE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OMIT IT (και το υιου). Omitting it, just means that you don’t care for the Truth as much you care for papal primacy
I have seen the pope omitting it, I have seen all these arguments when pope came in Athens, I saw the local greek ουνία bishops express the same arguments you give, absolute lies.
Ουνία is 100 times more dangerous than papacy itself, cause is a wolf in sheep clothing.
Unfortunately none knows about this evil, you go in an fully orthodox church, everything orthodox, and if you are not careful to listen the name of Francis during liturgy you will keep believing is an orthodox church
How can you trust people that recite with their mouth the creed without filioque and in the same time they kiss the slippers and obey to him who promotes the filioque, the pope
@@TisDoulos wow harsh words coming from a 'christian'
You better read the Catechism on why we respect the eastern catholics and their liturgies. The roman liturgy is not the only liturgy in the Catholic Church, you know.
@@TisDoulos are you christian orthodox? Can you suggest any reliable sites of church history please. I see you study also stragetics of the devil.any audio books you can suggest about their stagetics or sites please.God bless you .
@@ronronyjerardo r.c. is not a church at all I am afraid
While my words are harsh my heart is not, I have nothing against individuals/people themselves. especially a former atheists like me who has endless shameful sins cannot speak against anyone personally
@@TisDoulos I am smiling as I write this, but...if you want to be taken seriously, I think it would help if you got a native English speaker to do basic copyediting for you. I like to study church history, and I see that you are passionate about what you are trying to say.
Great lecture. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
When learning about the Great Schism
One must view it through a clear prism
And must take no actions
Ere distinguishing factions
And finally applying Christ’s chrism.
Thank you for putting this up, Dr Reeves.
You forgot to mention the difference between the Eastern Orthodox view of the Trinity. The East follows the model of the Cappadocian fathers whereas the West follows the Augustinian model. Also, the reason why the Eastern churches use leavened bread as opposed to unleavened is that they believe the last supper to have occurred on the Thursday night and not the Friday (bearing in mind the calculation of a day as beginning with what we would consider to be the previous evening). On whichever day the last supper took place, Christ was not in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights if he rose on the Sunday morning. I'm surprised no-one has ever highlighted that point.
On the 3rd day. I don’t think there’s anything that says 3 nights. 😊
Doesn't the West believe the Last Supper was on Thurs. nite also?
@@tedpuckett1742 yes. The western churches also believe the last supper was on Maundy Thursday.
Thanks. On the surface - disputes about how to pray, underneath - battles for power and money.
The Pope "appointed" the Kings in the West (like Shia), the Emperor in Constantinople "appointed" the Patriarchs (like Sunni). I don't know which is worse.
There is NO priesthood in Islam-so your analogy doesn’t work.
The purpose of the Church is not some religious superstition, but to preserve the Empire. I couldn't care less about the creed, but the power of Rome is sacred to me.
And BTW - money was not even invented by the time of the schism, so nobody battled over it.
@@magister.mortran
Then how was it Jesus threw men out of the church for coins in the church?
Great objective documentary. I am amazed at how much I am relying on "non-historians" (as a very active amateur historian myself) to bring factual representations of history to light. I am sad to say that "historians" these days have a propensity to put the spotlight on themselves and how amazingly righteous they are by implementing their current, modern understandings and ideals upon the characters and life-examples that history has to offer. Give us the facts and let us determine our own understanding. Great job Mr. Reeves.
In 1054, Pope Leo IX sent a letter to the Patriarch, citing a large portion of the Donation of Constantine believing it genuine.[3]
"The first pope who used it [the Donation] in an official act and relied upon it, was Leo IX; in a letter of 1054 to Michael Cærularius, Patriarch of Constantinople, he cites the "Donatio" to show that the Holy See possessed both an earthly and a heavenly imperium, the royal priesthood."
Some scholars say that this letter of September 1053, the text of which is available in Migne, Patrologia Latina, vol. 143, coll. 744-769, was never actually despatched, but was set aside, and that the papal reply actually sent was the softer but still harsh letter Scripta tuae of January 1054.[4]
Leo IX assured the Patriarch that the donation was completely genuine, not a fable or old wives' tale,[citation needed] arguing that only the apostolic successor to Peter possessed primacy in the Church.
Over simplification: So, the schism was caused by Pride, the queen of sins.
TheHedge even more over simplification: a disagreement over bread.
@@WeeedyMcMeth Over the body of Christ.
As well as pride being the main sin, Satan must enjoy seeing a divided Church of Lord Jesus Christ. We as a Body of Believers are vast in number. Together, we can at least unite in spirit in Christ and maybe eventually if God's Holy Mercy allows it, His Body will never again be injured for so long, and we can all fight the inner good fight together. We are all Sons and Daughters of Almighty God.
@Lân Nguyễn Hoàng Primarrily the pope(s) felt left alone by the emperors(s) in the battles against the Langobards. This happened due to the decline of the byzantine power. And yes the pope thought that by crowning the emperor his superiority was fixed.
@@wendyflanagan5738 bless your heart sister... as your words are truly a blessing of heart to those with ears to hear. To those who are of the heart and not of the mind. May my Lord and God bless you wendy, you and your family. I see who you are through the words you wrote as i can feel the "intent" of your words.
Keep the whole armor on sister.. and be steadfast in prayer. Those "of the world" have not a single clue the pages of prophecy, the LIVING WORD OF GOD in the Bible are turning... keep your Faith and know that i Love you just as i love everyone and i love the potential in them to come to and know Christ.
God can take it all away from all of them lost and wandering in their own little darkness without and guidance or any answers as to why theyre even here.
God can heal that broken heart and ahow them all a love that absolutely cannot be put into words as there are NO WORDS that could ever describe something truly heaven sent. Love no human love is capable of producing and its all done by being made a new creation in CHRIST...the Alpha & Omega..
To those whom do not know the one and only Father...
The Creator, the one whom breathed the very LIFE you LIVE with into YOUR lungs... to all those people that are fed up with life and want to just end it... thats who JESUS is for.... you see, people people are likened to that if a book... they all wear a cover, ther have a beginning and an end and pages full of everything therein which makes them who they are. However, pages get torn and shredded by the elements around them.. just as people do by the things around them...
I pray that everyone open the BOOK ... the WRITTEN word of God... the ONLY LIVING WORD that IS, WAS and IS TO COME as it is ETERNAL.
COME TO CHRIST all ye whom are ConFUsEd and SAD and HURT by YOUrself or by anyone.
REPENT & TURN & SEEK FORGIVENESS while theres still TIME as TIME is running out. GOD who is the Father of Time as he Created Time, Space and Matter created ME and all people...even YOU.. take heed to advice people of the world as its all true.
JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS IS RETURNING SOON.
Thank you for this amazing presentation. Listening to this made me feel I was back at UCLA taking history classes. I minored in Roman history and this fascinates me.
I learned so much of the Catholic Church studying Roman history. So many adapted titles for example by the Pope.
Thank You so much! I wondered what happened about all this? I didn't understand who the Eastern Orthodox were? Now, you've explained it in such a way that I have been able to finally grasp it! Very much appreciated! Thank You!