Q&A with Irene: Five Common Healing Trauma Myths. Breathwork, shaking, meditation and more!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- In this long form Q&A that I did on my Facebook Page on January 30, 2020 I talk about what I've seen to be the big myths when healing trauma and restoring regulation and health back to the nervous system. The big five are: Breathwork, Shaking, Cold Therapy, Meditation, and Positive Thinking.
Here are some Questions/Topics I discuss in this chat:
(5:07) - Is SBSM for people who want to heal trauma or healers?
(6:01) - Looking for a healer
(9:10) - Psych K work
(11:20) - Shaking
(13:56) - Procedural memory
(21:20) - Bioenergentics
(22:09) - Capacity
(23:15) - Effects of early adversity
(24:05) - Chronic Illness
(26:29) - Waking up trembling and not knowing what to do
(28:58) - Foundational practices of restoring regulation back to system
(29:55) - When to do exercises
(33:24) - Cold-therapy
(35:23) - Dorsal response
(44:38) - Is TRE effective?
(53:14) - Breathwork
(1:04:44) - Breathwork in Yoga
(1:09:05) - Meditation
(1:15:47) - Mindfulness & pushing into it
(1:16:23) - Symptoms of trying to soothe the system (Addiction/ADD/ADHD/Explosive Behaviour)
(1:18:18) - Positive thinking
(1:18:37) - Medication
(1:21:34) - Depersonalization
(1:23:16) - Positive thinking
(1:25:30) - Cancer
(1:31:10) - Children & Parental dysregulation
(1:33:39) - Children & Healing
Resources I Mention In The Vlog:
► SmartBody SmartMind
www.smartbodys...
► Healing Trauma Video Series
irenelyon.com/...
► Up & Down Workshops
www.updownwork...
► How to find a good somatic practitioner
• How to find a good som...
► National Geographic Video - Polar Bear not getting traumatized
• Polar Bear Not Getting...
► There Is No “Exercise” That Heals Trauma
sethlyon.com/n...
► Peter Levine
somaticexperie...
► Kathy Kain
www.somaticprac...
► Is a Kundalini awakening same as coming out of the freeze response?
• Is a Kundalini awakeni...
► What is a cathartic practice? Are they useful for healing trauma?
• What is a cathartic pr...
► Q&A with Irene Lyon. On chronic illness, chronic fatigue, autoimmune, and MORE!
• Q&A with Irene Lyon. O...
► Is ice bathing good for you (and your nervous system)?
• Is ice bathing good fo...
► The Polyvagal Theory. Explained.
• The Polyvagal Theory. ...
► Moshe Feldenkrais
feldenkrais.com/
► Meditation & Mindfulness 101 || Interview w/ Chris Dierkes || IRENE LYON
• Meditation & Mindfulne...
► The Mindfulness Bubble is About to Burst
irenelyon.com/...
► This is Life With Lisa Ling S06E02 The Benzos Crisis 720p october 6 2019
• Video
► eBooks & Audio Samplers
irenelyon.com/...
► Gabor Mate - book - When The Body Says No
drgabormate.co....
► How stored trauma creates somatic symptoms (aka: chronic illness)
• How stored trauma crea...
► Healthy Nervous System Revolution Facebook Group
www.facebook.c...
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My website is a wealth of free resources and information on how to start this work, so here it is one more time: irenelyon.com
When I started doing weekly chiropractic adjustments, multiple times per week, I had the craziest nervous system reaction and I completely shut down. Couldn't stay awake for longer than 4 hours per day. It was awful! I experiment with so many of these things you speak of and now I'm wondering if I just put myself through unnecessary suffering, thinking that I was having a healing crisis. It's all very confusing and we need this type of information as you are sharing and teaching people to do. Thank you.
Thanks for being here Renata. Yes indeed, multiple chiropractic adjustments per week would be totally overwhelming for any traumatized system. Please don't blame yourself though, you were going with the best information you had at the time, and the information Irene is sharing and teaching here and in her online programs is relatively new. Which is why she's on a mission :) Thanks for being here - Seth from Team Lyon.
I wanted to share an experience i dont know if irene or anyone in team lyon will read it. Yesterday i was watching silly stuff on TV wish in itself is a huge win for me to be able to relax and have fun and enjoy and not be on the busyholism train. I was really pleased about doing fun things, and taking myself a bit less seriously ,ive been a little over 2 years and half in healing trauma untill about 7 months ago started doing SE. last year when shit got ugly after EMDR i did start drinking coffee too , and i am already of the hyper (instead of hypo) aroused type. I tend towards perfectionism, bracing, holding, busyholism, and that sense of danger slightly , and coffee heightens that. I was 100% more manageable without coffee. Anyway i have some tools , resources and support and been managing all of this in my healing journey. After watching silly sitcoms or dramedies on TV and being happy about it, as an achievment, i decided to try mindfulness meditation. I had so much survival energies inside at the moment, that i had to take some pauses. I finished a 12 min mindfulness meditation with some pauses and I realized I had actually sat with those survival energies head on. I wasnt fully aware. I wanted to finish it because i feel mindfulness helps me chill a bit and i do it now and again. Its a day and a few hours later and it still hurts in my viscera. Not to mention yesterday and today, its like i stared into my survival energies headon. I dont want to go over it so much, but it makes me reflect of attuning slower , the reminders about methods, the need to build capacity (although ive done mindfulness before for the last 3 months), and i would argue i have some experience in the healing journey. It prolly wasn't the best moment of the day to try mindfulness, and I also decided to try slow down with the coffee. I do care about healing, and can recognize my system is overly stimulated for the last months! I have the education on board with these videos, my SE practice and a while in the healing trauma world. Yesterday's experience scared me. Today ive been feeling a bit better. I dont want to bring too much up for my system with coffee that triggers the survival freight train, and also is an attempt to escape. And i dont want to then force the system to look at these survival stuck energies head on, it can freak the system out, and its finally integrating and regulating after that experience. It seems like slow attunement is the path from here on out. I dont need coffee anyway.
Everything you say, it just makes so much sense - particularly the part about meditation and mindfulness. Thanks for generously sharing your knowledge this way.
This is so good - especially all the stuff at the end with positive thinking - powerful insights!
Just to add on to the mindfulness bit, I started doing DBT before learning about trauma and nervous system healing, which included a lot and a lot of mindfulness and meditation practices. They were successful to some extent, but I kept reverting back into sympathetic arousal whenever something triggered me too much. I couldn't remain in this calm meditative state (and I mean, I still can't ENTIRELY, it's probably years and years of work). However, after learning about polyvagal theory and reading some Peter Levine and beginning to understand his concept of the felt sense, meditation and mindfulness began making much more sense to me, as well as this concept of ''emotional regulation''. Before, I had no idea what it meant to feel my emotions. I was just too disconnected with the bodily sensations and quick to judge what I felt like were ''bad emotions'' and so I simply would dismiss them. Learning about trauma made me understand that I had to slowly build the capacity to first sit with the discomfort of an emotion, then notice what was happening in my body and in my thoughts without judging. In other words, I had to FIRST learn how to regulate my nervous system to get into a state that would allow for mindfulness to happen, if that distinction makes any sense.
Love all of your information! Just a quick note: the link that is under the mindfulness bubble is about to burst does not take you to that video.
LilMsLorelei, thanks for pointing this out. I'll let support know. - Jen from Team Lyon
What hat shaking also occurs after an operation under anaesthetic, waking up and shaking of the mouth and jaw, in controllably.
Irene was the person you spoke about named Michael Stone from Victoria..he was also diagnosed with Bi polar and turned to different medications as it was becoming worse..very sad..is bi polar a result of deregulated nervous system trauma?..thank you..much love..💜
Hi Angela, I'm not sure who Irene was referring to, and we wouldn't want too divulge their name in any case. Yes, Bi-Polar is a symptom of unresolved trauma and nervous system dysregulation. Specifically, it is what we see when the system flips between to extreme nervous system states - high Sympathetic activation (fight/flight mode - the manic stage) and high Dorsal Vagal activation (freeze, or collapse - the shut down and depressed stage).
Thank you for this. I teied after one big emotional trauma hypnosis. And after that my emotional addiction get worse, panic atacks. Ive noticed my relationships were addictive from the first one. And tried to find help from psychiatric, they gave me medications. After this last one, rejecting, and abondent trauma reexpiriencing, I knew that it was only putting a problem under the rug. Then working with psychoterapist, and she was very helpfull, but there was something about past life trauma and she send me to bioemergetics. Then vomiting came up again, disturbance in system, anxiety everything. It was like something I cant do. After several months, I droped out. Yoga also gave me rising on anxiety, meditations. And I tgough that somethi g is so wrong with me. Also breathing, or trying to be present in the moment sometimes took me to more disociation. So, Im really thankfull for these. Unfortunately, I live in Serbia where there is no body working therapist. Only for EMDR. Ive read books from Peter Levine, and I found it all clear for me, but sometimes Im not constant of working. It is now like I cant find a starting point. If you read comments, can you please help me about this starting point. If you are scared mostly threw youre day, what would you do for youre self
Hi bebaaskaful, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, it sounds like you need some good somatic work. Irene has created a whole suite of content that anyone with an internet connection can access, so we got you covered! Start with her free resources, then if those are resonating with you I will encourage you to sign up for her 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up. Finally, once a year we run a 3 month intensive called SmartBody SmartMind, which is a world class comprehensive program. I'll put those links below.
Free Resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
21 Day Tuneup - 21daytuneup.com/
SmartBody SmartMind - smartbodysmartmind.com/
This is gold!
Interesting concepts
Re (13:56) - Procedural memory: I’ve hesitated submitting this example because it might seem gruesome, but it extends your point in our perception and conception from the animal realm to the human realm...it’s no analogy. We can wonder if an analogy is all it is, when needed information is vital to our sense of security and well-being (the results of standing on thin air are unpleasant).
Here goes: A shipyard has a marine railway. A railroad flatbed with a cradle for a vessel is slid on rails into the water, a vessel floats over it, and the whole works is pulled by powerful winches with heavy cable up into the yard over a turning pit, from where the vessel will be repositioned and placed. Strain on the cables is enormous. My employer was present during the following incident, and he relayed the following to warn me:
Two shipyard workers were present during the pull stage when a cable snapped. Said cable whipped like a bullwhip, decapitating both workers who THEN raised their arms to block the cable while running forward and falling into the pit.
A farm kid knows a decapitated chicken will run, but it’s an animal. And the wonderful polar bear example we have, but it’s an animal. I’m a human and it can be hard to grasp that the same animal response really applies to me. But it does...we have human examples.
Niether argumentative nor contentious, since childhood I had pounded volition and willpower into myself so hard that I’m often still cautious to accept such beneficial examples on my behalf at face value until it’s incontrovertible. Often this saves me, but it also often impedes me.
The videos are an immense help. When we discover something, we need to hear it from another to know it’s not just us, and to reinforce the knowledge, to feel connection, and to see it in another context from another perspective.
Really good irene😆😆😆
Im glad u said that at end.
Been beatin myself up cos got triggered n punched wall at wkend instead o hiding in weed.
I cldnt seem to do anything else
I was quittin the weed n now 7days weed free 👍
I used to hide in books as a kid
Escapeism seems to b my thing so i can suppress anger, which i have feared. Both mine, others n consequences of both anger/confrontation
Hey Kim, Seth here from Team Lyon. We all need resources and ways to cope from time to time, so I definitely encourage you to not beat yourself up for punching a wall (though I hope you didn't hurt yourself too much! maybe consider punching pillows next time :), or for using weed for that matter. That's great if you are wanting to stop, but it's also totally understandable to want to hide and escape. What's important is that we start to get the tools and education we need to really heal this stuff for real, so whatever coping mechanism we are using is needed less and less. Consider checking out Irene's online programs. They can help you do this! irenelyon.com/programs/
@@teamlyon3109 thankyou 👍
Haha i tried the pillows first
Wasnt enough resistance 😅😂
I just had some pretty colours luckily xD
Love this!
Thanks so much!
I have a lot of past trauma. I have a lot of panic attacks and general anxiety. I'm trying to get help with it but can't find it 😕. This is some interesting information and some of this is new to me and sounds interesting. I would love to find a practitioner that takes my insurance to help me relieve my panic attacks. I have a lot of stomach issues, under weight and weak a lot. It sucks that getting help is so tied to money. I am pretty poor and can't afford much.
Hi wienerdogman paul, great to hear that you're resonating with this information. I hope it leads you to the help you're seeking. I'd encourage you to make good use of Irene's free resources (I'll link to her website where you can find more info) and consider saving up to join her starter online healing program, The 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up if that's an option. I'll also link to the Somatic Experiencing Training Institute practitioner locator in case you're able to search in your area and find someone who takes insurance. This work is growing so more practitioners are offering it all the time.
Irene's website: irenelyon.com
Somatic Experiencing Training Institute Practitioner Directory: Somatic Experiencing Training: directory.traumahealing.org
Is trauma and depersonalization possible to overcome
Hi Tanner Brandon. Absolutely! Depersonalization is a manifestation of unresolved trauma - specifically it is showing us that there is a lot of Freeze in the system - which is the last form of survival response that a mammal's system will recruit when it feels like it's going to die. In this state we get numb, unable to feel, the breath gets very shallow, we become sluggish, and dissociated from the body. All of this is a great form of protection if we are actually about to die, but not so great when it's hanging out in our system 24/7 as the result of unresolved trauma. Again this can all be healed, but it takes the right education, tools and support. Definitely consider checking out Irene's free, 3-Part Healing Trauma video training going on now so you can learn more! irenelyon.com/healing-trauma-youtube/