I Ran The Tesla Cybertruck To Dead In Our 70-MPH Highway Range Test!

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  • @Heartless_13224
    @Heartless_13224 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Great test. But the results of 70mph range test should stop when the vehicle can no longer maintain 70 mph. I believe that is how State of Charge does it. It is good to know how much buffer the vehicle has and how it behaves at the very bottom, but the distance from driving around a mall at low speed shouldn't factor into the 70mph range test.

    • @GraysonCarr
      @GraysonCarr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Only a 5 mile difference anyways. 249 instead of 254.

    • @ooops372
      @ooops372 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@GraysonCarr Nevertheless, Scott is right. But good to know there are 5 extra miles to move.

    • @Cogglesz
      @Cogglesz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate the 70mh loop tests. For me most of my long range driving is on a highway so it's always good to have some re-assurance it doesn't have a better milage at 35mph. since those trips are usually pretty short for me.

    • @amardnoo
      @amardnoo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I understand what you’re saying Scott but keep in mind this is 70mph constantly, this isn’t realistic, in a real life situation you have regenerative braking to recharge your battery cause driving around the city constantly driving and stopping recharging your battery you might actually be able to get more mileage

    • @ooops372
      @ooops372 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@amardnoo But then you can doubt any scenario. Let's see it like this: Constant 70 mph is "very demanding" ... and aerodynamics and rolling resistance are stressed to the max. They play a big part in efficiancy. The "real life situation" makes unefficiant electric cars a little less negative.

  • @Seventh7Art
    @Seventh7Art 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Theoretical range: 510 km. Actual range under specific test conditions: 410 km. With A/C on, set at 20 degrees Celsius on a highway, doing 110 km/h.

  • @scottm.456
    @scottm.456 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +411

    As usual in depth and consistent but I wish other outlets didn't publish your results before you posted the video.

    • @KyleConner
      @KyleConner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

      Agreed - I should be more careful for the livestreams I guess

    • @Outsider.Reviews
      @Outsider.Reviews 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I agree. I was reading about this before I could watch it. Good job Kyle

    • @samatwesu
      @samatwesu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@KyleConner The exposure is good your core audience will watch the video and those that are less informed with learn you exist from these outside outlets

    • @ChargingtheRoad
      @ChargingtheRoad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Yep, New York Post did that article before this video went up. You're too popular Kyle!

    • @jeromy3272
      @jeromy3272 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Well journalism these days have resorted to viewing livestreams to produce clickbait articles with twisted narratives, instead of acquiring special access, doing extensive testing and writing 3rd party reviewed content that is curated and exclusive. Gone are the days of professional journalism.

  • @ZPdrumer
    @ZPdrumer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    The high beam thing is common in most cars. When you out flash/hold both the low and high beams are on. So it’s really bright. When you fully engage high beams the lows turn off. Same here, you can see the bottom of the screen (lows) dims.
    The reason for this is because the human eye doesn’t have infinite contrast, so having a bright light “nearby” actually means you can’t see as far down the road. By keeping it dim near you, you see further.

    • @rcguymike
      @rcguymike 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks, came here to comment that👍

    • @Resist4
      @Resist4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For a car guy you’d think that he would have known that.

  • @floodtheinbox
    @floodtheinbox 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    Test finally starts at 15:45

    • @mev202
      @mev202 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Yep, so much filler at the beginning of all the oos videos.

    • @littleherms3285
      @littleherms3285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      ​@@mev202the filler is the nerdy stuff that makes these videos better than a straight up test. I want details, not fluff.

    • @0my
      @0my 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Did you see how they towed by looping the strap around the ball hitch? And then the 7,000lbs truck put itself in park. They are lucky no one died.

    • @mannyman4103
      @mannyman4103 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@0mydramatic much?

    • @0my
      @0my 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mannyman4103 just watch the videos on the topic and you will be too

  • @dansanger5340
    @dansanger5340 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

    I'd call the range done when it can no longer maintain highway speeds. So, around 249 mi at 43F near sea level. The F-150 Lightning is around 270 miles at 73F near sea level according to Tom's State of Charge range test. So, probably almost exactly the same range under ideal conditions.

    • @Teddy_M85
      @Teddy_M85 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That's a good point, but it's hard to test and not a real-world scenario. They will need another truck with v2l to help charge it once the car dies in the highway, which doesn't sound too safe. In the real world, you still need enough charge to make it to a charger 🤷‍♂️

    • @lucristianx
      @lucristianx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Im in the market for a lightning and this video convinced me to wait for the Cybertruck. The Ford F-150 Lightning is one of the more inefficient BEVs out there. I see why the Cybertruck looks the way it does.

    • @777Outrigger
      @777Outrigger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Tesla's in the process of changing their 4680 chemistry from NMC 811 to NMC 955, according to Dillon Loomis at Electrified. That should give a range increase of 10-20%. Apparently the 4680's still a work in progress.

    • @gabrielnix3691
      @gabrielnix3691 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@skellington2000 BUT, the Cybertruck is shaped like a bolt of lightening....I'm disappointed with the Cybertruck from the initial release numbers all the way around.

    • @777Outrigger
      @777Outrigger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Plus the Cybertruck's all terrain tires used in this test.

  • @PassportBrosBusinessClass
    @PassportBrosBusinessClass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    The Cybertruck running out of power and going into RED ALERT was actually exciting.
    I've only run out of gas ONCE.
    In my Jeep SRT - I stupidly - bypassed every gas station trying to get to one specific station. I was 5 BLOCKS AWAY.
    I had to walk to the gas station, buy a gas can and buy gas and then run it back to my Jeep. Police Officer saw me so he waited with me till I got some fuel in it and then I was able to drive to the station.

  • @eugeniustheodidactus8890
    @eugeniustheodidactus8890 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    Thank you Kyle! Some version of the 70mph test should eventually become the _advertised range_ for EVs.

    • @PJWey
      @PJWey 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Except in most places around the world running at a constant 70mph requires a middle of the night run.

    • @brandoncoyle7110
      @brandoncoyle7110 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@PJWey Yes most non-US places. Well except for maybe Japan. I average about 70 there as well. Nobody really cares about around town mileage as they don't drive 300 miles in circles or back roads very often. Range really only matters on the highway.

    • @deeman11011
      @deeman11011 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It's the only range number that matters. Around town EVs now easily have enough range that it doesn't matter. Road trips is the only issue with EVs

    • @dyeace
      @dyeace 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why? That's not how ice vehicles are. That's not how any vehicles are measured. It should be combined city/highway if there is to be one data point for range, ya dingus. Ideally, they'd give us lots of data tho, ie 400 city, 250 hwy, 310 combined, 150 hwy max towing etc etc

    • @eugeniustheodidactus8890
      @eugeniustheodidactus8890 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@dyeace I don't care how they do it but it has to reflect REAL WORLD driving and highway speeds kill EV range much worse than ICE. Obviously Tesla's range figures have been _Pulitzer Prize_ material all along.

  • @Falcon256
    @Falcon256 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    You Should never put a tow strap over the tow ball like that. You should pull the pin out, and take out the tow bar and place the pin though the tow strap.

    • @silverstake88
      @silverstake88 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He's towing with little to no resistance. It's not like the truck is being yanked out of a mud pit. Calm down.

    • @ed1pk
      @ed1pk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@silverstake88 38:00 the CT put itself into park while moving. That’s full resistance. Worse than a mud pit. You never know…. 😅

  • @Vanya80151
    @Vanya80151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I am a reservation holder, but I don't think I will go through with it. Just too many compromises. I currently own a Tacoma (in addition to Model 3) and I think I will just keep things the way they are. CT can't really replace my Tacoma -- I need to be able to tow without having to stop to charge every 80-100 miles (based on the original specs, I was hoping to tow 5k LB for a minimum of 200 miles). And total cost of ownership will be at least double when compared to Model 3. Plus I am not sold on the looks of it.

    • @ed1pk
      @ed1pk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you tow?

    • @Vanya80151
      @Vanya80151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have a small camper, about 4k LB empty weight (and probably 5k with a typical load). Our typical trip is 150 to 300 miles (each way), 3-4 times per year. Sometimes we have power at our destination (an RV park), and sometimes we don't. So it could make the CT work. But a lot higher cost (compared with initial $50k) and somewhat lower range make this a lot less desirable combination for me. @@ed1pk

    • @NilsFrederking
      @NilsFrederking 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just wait a few years the range will for sure increase, as the 4680 will get an energy density boost with every next iteration.

    • @FlyingAceAV8B
      @FlyingAceAV8B 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Crazy that anyone ever thought this thing or a f-150 lightning would ever replace an actual truck.

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice of you to give Elon an interest free loan - he really needed that money to buy twitter

  • @ethanlinderman8833
    @ethanlinderman8833 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    22:40 I think the highbeam thing is that when you hold the button, the high and low beam are both on, then when you get off the button, just the high beams stay on.

    • @KoRntech
      @KoRntech 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ya I had the same thing on my multiple Ford Taurus 1997,- 2007 lots of cars are like that.

    • @GregHassler
      @GregHassler 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly this ^

    • @robertkirchner7981
      @robertkirchner7981 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Our '79 VW did this.

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That makes absolutely no sense, as that's not how LED headlamps work. The majority of LED headlamps either activate a separate bank of LEDs that shine further out, or boost a few of them that are on. If they low beams didn't stay on nothing would be lit up up front.

    • @mitchharris97
      @mitchharris97 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sprockketsthat is how headlights work when you flash the highs both low and high are on when you go to high only the high beams are on I’ve had several cars like this and can confirm that’s how they work to see further you want your foreground light to be lower then the distance lighting allowing you to see further without blowing out the foreground with light the other thing that can happen is if there are fog lights modern cars shut those off when high beams are activated it wasn’t until my 23 Silverado that I had a vehicle that the low beams remain in but they are a projector setup which operates slightly differently

  • @josealbreyes
    @josealbreyes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I can do a 200 mile roundtrip in a f150 extended range from the Socal Mountains to Orange County a 4000-5000ft climb. I cant do that in the cyber truck with a 124 battery. I use 120kwh to make that trip and I arrive with 30-40 miles to spare. 124kwh is only 25% better then a Model X. If this was the battery capacity on the standard truck it would be sufficient. The cyber truck seems to be less efficient then the converted f150 lighting and the worse product out of the 4.

    • @fgabrieltomas
      @fgabrieltomas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And how do you know this have you tested it.,!?

    • @ooops372
      @ooops372 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      CT won against F150. 2.5Wh/m-46F against 2.2Wh/m-73F. At 73F it would have been 2.8Wh/m or even more. And pls keep comparisons alike, do not talk about altitude change right now.

    • @hwirtwirt4500
      @hwirtwirt4500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @I_Drank_What Cybertruck 122.4 kWh, F150-L 131kWh.

    • @hwirtwirt4500
      @hwirtwirt4500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Equal to or better than the CyberFlop. FYI: Rust Never Sleeps!

    • @hwirtwirt4500
      @hwirtwirt4500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @I_Drank_What F150-L has less than 9 more KWH of storage capacity and beats the CyberFlop in range.

  • @steveam29
    @steveam29 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Literally one of the hardest working TH-camrs in this space. Much respect Kyle.

  • @Wised1000
    @Wised1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    BTW, towing mode is not meant to actually strap tow the vehicle, its meant to allow the vehicle to be creeped on a wrecker.

    • @douggolde7582
      @douggolde7582 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If he towed it in normal driving mode he could have regenerated.

    • @Wised1000
      @Wised1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @douggolde7582
      He's done that before. I guess aside from myself the manufacturer informed him that wss a very bad idea.

    • @hogfish3881
      @hogfish3881 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s what Neutral “gear” for. I believe it has that option. But he was so excited that he probably forgot about it😃

  • @cousinjohncarstuff4568
    @cousinjohncarstuff4568 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    About 200 miles with 15% remaining. I doubt too many folks would go below that.....

    • @matthewm7867
      @matthewm7867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Looks like EVs are trash to me

  • @bearcubdaycare
    @bearcubdaycare 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Gasoline cars list mileage for highway, and for city. This would be good for EVs as well, for the opposite reason...slower stop and go driving tends to be markedly higher efficiency than 70mph highway driving, due to drag, as well as regenerative braking. I've gotten 221 Wh/mile average with my Model 3 RWD, but 250 or even 275 Wh/mile highway, depending on speed. I think that listing a "mileage" for highway and a "mileage" for city would help.

    • @MrNicholg
      @MrNicholg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      They do. But the premise here is that range is only important at highway speeds. Efficiency is important for daily use.

    • @todkapuz
      @todkapuz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      EPA requires City, Highway, and Combined.. but yes... everything marque is the combined.... take 2023 Tesla Model Y AWD, Marquee combined is 123 mpge, Hwy is 116 and city is 129 ... and again that is mostly because tesla chooses the most optisimic numbers it can.. (123 mpge is about 280 wh/mile, 3.6 mi/KWh). My EV has EPA ratings of 103 MPGe combined (330wh/mi, 3.1 kWh/mi) , 110 city (3.2 kWh/mi), 96 highway (2.8 kWh). And real world? ... my bumper-to-bumper stop-and-go 27 mile commute is regularly right at 5 mi/kWh (168 MPGe) and the same commute in the evening with more free flowing traffic is 3.3 kWh/mi (111 MPGe), and most of my 2000 mile trips have come out just under 3.0 mi/kWh .... so yeah... pretty bang on ... but yeah... the only thing I hate about EPA (fueleconomy.gov) is the use of MPGe and kWh/100 mi. I even hate teslas wh/mi. It should be miles per kwh... it makes the math much more simple. Just like Miles per Gallon, you buy fuel in gallons, miles per kwh, you buy fuel in kwh. Usable battery pack (kwh) times mi/kwh gives you estimated miles, and largely its simple math... 2,3,4 times. I don't know why tesla went with wh/mi. There you have to divide your usable battery pack by wh/mi then times by a thousand. Its stupid.

    • @sparkysho-ze7nm
      @sparkysho-ze7nm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely

    • @austina4189
      @austina4189 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      With no climate control, yes. But the time it takes to do 250 city miles would get less range than highway due to climate control running all day

    • @ab-tf5fl
      @ab-tf5fl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@austina4189
      That depends on just how hot/cold it actually is outside and whether or not the car has a heat pump.

  • @Vlaakster
    @Vlaakster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    What a great video. No way I'm keeping my reservation. The range is trash on this truck and its a real disappointment. Thanks a lot for doing this test so thoroughly.

  • @pauli2753
    @pauli2753 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    242mi at 0mi indicated should be the result IMO. That is how you ran the 290mi result with R1T with all terrains.

    • @pauli2753
      @pauli2753 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      And for reference F-150 lightning did 254mi at 0mi indicated. Running any of these under 0mi indicated is just not something anyone would do when road tripping at 70mph.

    • @EVentureTracks
      @EVentureTracks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      And the 290 miles on R1T was with the quad motor. This dual motor cybertruck should be compared to a dual motor R1T for apples to apples.

    • @ozo1010
      @ozo1010 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      i have driven 300 miles on 1 charge in my r1t with 21’s

    • @EndlessBreathDidges
      @EndlessBreathDidges 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@ozo1010 Much smaller truck.

    • @JakeRichardsong
      @JakeRichardsong 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah, he drove much further, that's the point of the buffer.

  • @JP-sw5ho
    @JP-sw5ho 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Thank you for doing all this hard work for the community

  • @MartinCharles
    @MartinCharles 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    That road (183 toll), is like a f1 track. It's a really great road to drive > 100mph safely (very rarely there's traffic on it).

    • @shallenberger57
      @shallenberger57 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's why the company that built it went bankrupt. It is a great road though.

  • @seahawk2409
    @seahawk2409 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    You are the only channel i follow anything about the Cybertruck because of your unbiased opinions and only deal with facts for anything EV. I not a fan of the Cybertruck but I appreciate facts over fanboyism.

  • @brandenflasch
    @brandenflasch 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Quite disappointing. I was really hoping Tesla would somehow have more range than the Lightning or R1T, but this is just right in line or worse than both. This will be the worst for towing as well with the smallest pack. So much for 500 miles of range…

    • @tonyn3227
      @tonyn3227 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Looks like tech isn't still there, to pull 500 miles range unless you just add huge 250kwr battery, but that will bring weight Ober 10k lbs. So no good.

    • @Molishious
      @Molishious 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tonyn3227The Ramcharger seems like it has good potential if you really want a truck that you drive electric most of the time but need to tow long distances.

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It has half the battery we expected. Saves weight and money. I'm pretty sure 99% of truck owners won't need more range. And if they do, there's the range extender. Or use a diesel truck. The Cybertruck doesn't have to do everything to be a huge success.
      Also, since it expects a range extender, it should be possible to add a diesel generator instead, which can boost the range up to 1000 miles or whatever you need.
      Oh, and the battery capacity will go up significantly in future versions. The 4680 cells are using a simplified chemistry for easy manufacturing. So as Tesla figures out production, they'll go for much higher energy densities, which would automatically increase range with the same battery. 30% to 50% more range is possible.

    • @user-ln7of9gs4s
      @user-ln7of9gs4s 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Molishiousit’s not electric. It’s literally a gas engine which you’d find in a normal truck, powering generator to charge the batteries. Pointless.

    • @brandenflasch
      @brandenflasch 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrasbiro3007 yet it’s also more expensive than expected.

  • @markeden767
    @markeden767 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    254mikes compared to rated 340 mikes
    That’s a huge difference
    Tesla needs to do better

    • @KamalaTheClown
      @KamalaTheClown 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is how it is with all these glorified powerwheels

  • @FthePump
    @FthePump 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    A 2 miles per kw,that equals my Lightning SR for day to day. Sometimes I get as much as 2.3kw with 18” wheels and 31’ tires.

  • @brentftaylor
    @brentftaylor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My Lightning towing a 16’ enclosed trailer in similar conditions gets about 1-1.2 miles per kW. Average after 18,000 miles is 2.2

    • @Jim-jt9tb
      @Jim-jt9tb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I got 10,600 on mine and averaging 2.1 mi/kWh but I'm also in northern Wisconsin so expect that to quickly decrease over the winter. Between all the available electric trucks seems like efficiency is fairly similar so have to pick you favorite aesthetic. We need better energy density. For those who need to tow long distance.... electric probably needs a couple more decades of progress to make sense.

    • @louisvenezia7422
      @louisvenezia7422 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      15k on mine in Massachusetts. Average total is 2 miles per kWh. Not bad

    • @brentftaylor
      @brentftaylor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jim-jt9tbI’m in Oklahoma so it’s a tad warmer. Last summer I was up around 2.3-2.4

    • @The_DuMont_Network
      @The_DuMont_Network 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Jim-jt9tb ... It is 1-1/2 miles per KW. NOT KWH. Time is not part of this equation. KW and KWH are two different things.

    • @louisvenezia7422
      @louisvenezia7422 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@The_DuMont_Network It is kWh when talking about energy consumption per mile. Power (kW)*Time (Hours)=Energy (kWh) or E=∫Pdt which is the area under the power curve

  • @benspokes6044
    @benspokes6044 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This writes off the vehicle in my opinion. 250 miles to absolutely kill the battery. To look after the battery you’d only do 200 miles maybe less and this doesn’t even include heavy towing, air conditioning etc. what a waste!

  • @JohnTheBlacksmithUSA
    @JohnTheBlacksmithUSA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Great video! Please in the future, never attach your tow strap to the hitch ball. It can shear the hitch ball. It's a rare occurrence, but it does happen, and when it does, you now have a potentially lethal missile coming at you. Find a tow point on the lead vehicle, or if you must, remove the hitch and loop the strap on the hitch pin through the receiver.
    (we don't need another steel ball vs. Tesla glass incident. ;) )

    • @shallenberger57
      @shallenberger57 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      My thoughts exactly. Youngsters don't have the knowledge of years of experience like you and I. I have seen people wrap it around the axle housing.

    • @fr5229
      @fr5229 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wouldn’t it depend on the hitch ball

    • @JohnTheBlacksmithUSA
      @JohnTheBlacksmithUSA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @fr5229 It's just generally a bad practice. You might get away with it a dozen or a hundred times. But it's incredibly dangerous when it fails, and its really easy to avoid by attaching the tow line properly.
      I don't mean to detract from this great video- it's really interesting to see the true range of the CT on the highway-- but I winced when I saw that hookup on the hitch ball as it's been hammered into me for years "never do this".
      In this case, admittedly it's a fairly low risk as he's not snatching a stuck vehicle, and the CT was rolling (until it went into park), but it's an easily avoidable risk.

    • @kellyg1757
      @kellyg1757 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely never do that to recover a vehicle. However what they were doing was the same as towing a 6600lb trailer. If you have ever checked trailer brakes by rolling forward and applying full trailer brake but not truck brake it is the same force. Now when you are recovering a stuck vehicle you can exceede the design limits of a ball and hitch setup. Remember he was actually pushing the CT around while hooking up the strap. If he can push on the ball and break it well then…

  • @__-pl3jg
    @__-pl3jg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In case anyone missed it...
    254 miles traveled at an efficiency of 488wh per mile. Total energy used was 124kwh.

  • @josephdewuhan
    @josephdewuhan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Range test stops when it no longer responds to pressed gas pedal just before you get off highway. Nobody would drain an EV’s power to that level before charging it. So, the real range in this test was around 243 miles. Most ordinary driver would have stopped long before it reaches 1%. So, realistic range is probably around 230 miles.

    • @Xetairex
      @Xetairex 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed. This is similar to what my “315 mile range” Model 3 does in winter driving. I get maybe 230 miles out of it driving from the Bay Area to Tahoe for skiing.

    • @MrNicholg
      @MrNicholg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Even less than that. More likely around 200 miles. But here's the thing, most people stop to pee long before that. Most Superchargers are spread in fewer miles than that as well. You're going to make a stop within 200 miles regardless. That's when dc fast charging speeds start to matter. If you're just driving it around town, it will do better and only need a charge once a week at most, getting similar range for an 80% charge overnight.

    • @SpottedSharks
      @SpottedSharks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is how OOS does all their 70 MPH highway range tests.

    • @littleherms3285
      @littleherms3285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He does what most won't just to see how big the buffer is. That's important info. If you *know* how big the reserve is, it makes that "once in a blue moon" situation less stressful.

    • @st-ex8506
      @st-ex8506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Xetairex Well... going up to Tahoe, around 13 kWh or 17% (if it is a LR or Performance model) of the battery will go into just gaining elevation. Next, if you regularly go skiing, you surely have winter tires, that will penalize your range about 5%. Then, if you go skiing, temperature is surely significantly below normal, which penalize you another 3-4%. So, all in all, your Model 3 range is bloody close to the 315 mile EPA number! How many miles do you have on that car? You may have 3-4% battery degradation?

  • @yolanda4731
    @yolanda4731 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I’m with you -I really wanted at least 400 miles EPA range 😢

    • @matthewm7867
      @matthewm7867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Buy and ice car problem solved - my Camry goes 600 miles and 3 minutes to fill

    • @Knnnkncht
      @Knnnkncht 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@matthewm7867and its not as ugly as the teslas

    • @georgejungle138
      @georgejungle138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KnnnknchtI think the Teslas look better than the Camry

  • @BigWaveDragon
    @BigWaveDragon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Kyle, I have a 3-motor reservation with 500+ range due to needing to tow 6 months out of the year (retiring soon). I will be holding my reservation (which I'm ~250,000 in line) until the actual range that I can buy is about 500 miles. All other aspects of the CT looks great. 👍

    • @Brisket9392
      @Brisket9392 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I doubt there will be a 500mi real-world range Cybertruck anytime soon.

    • @thumby8140
      @thumby8140 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are supposed to make a battery extension that sits in the bed of the truck, but I think it’s a maximum of 40kwh, giving maybe an extra 70 miles of range. Until someone comes out with a mod for these packs, or a third party makes a connection that allows owners to make their own battery extension, there’s no way CT is getting over 500 miles to a charge. Don’t even get it me started about charging both packs efficiently.

    • @Williamxmr
      @Williamxmr 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Towing is like 90 miles 9f range with the standard battery

  • @paulrybarczyk5013
    @paulrybarczyk5013 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Agree with your range-extender criticisms, at least as currently described by Tesla. I love the idea, but I think they should be smaller and cheaper and more modular with the ability to add more than one. It should also be possible to either stack them or secure them side-to-side in the bed, and it should also be possible to locate them in the under-bed storage. Preferably all as a DIY update by the owner. 🙂

    • @Teddy_M85
      @Teddy_M85 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That would be nice. But it will probably complicate things... The real issue is the 4680 performance, IMO. They missed their original targets, so hopefully, they can figure out how to improve the energy density... With limited 4680 production, it doesn't make sense to throw a 200kwh pack like the Hummer.

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As it has an interface for the range extender, it should be possible to use 3rd party products instead. Maybe even a diesel range extender. Tesla probably can be persuaded to make it an open standard.

    • @paulrybarczyk5013
      @paulrybarczyk5013 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@andrasbiro3007 I love the idea of standardizing it. Their competition would probably adopt that standard, much like they have with NACS. Especially if the interface supported multiple packs and different capacities.

    • @tweedledee4922
      @tweedledee4922 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The design of the extender seems stupid. They should have made the extender fit into the bed storage compartment or they should have designed it to be flat rather than a block so that when it's in place in the bed it only takes up height from the bed rather than length. That way you could for instance still put sheets of plywood in there or skis and gear that is long but not tall. And that way you could add another one making the whole system more modular based on what your range needs. It would also lower the center of gravity to make the truck handle better. So much design genius on this vehicle and then a huge fail in that department.

    • @ashisdas4971
      @ashisdas4971 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tweedledee4922I assume weight distribution has something to do with where it is placed. I can see where the drop off is someone will make those drawers that go in pickup truck beds for slide out storage and still be able to use the bed to haul flat stuff like plywood.

  • @heliman29
    @heliman29 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The deal breaker for me is I can't roll down the rear window... crawl into the bed and have a comfy bed back there waiting for me... and camp on a hot Florida night. Seems like a super-fail to me...

  • @salguzman7840
    @salguzman7840 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Towing RV next? want to see what drag does to aerodynamic truck. Range is crappy, I am considering canceling my order due to range. whats power worth without endurance.

    • @chiplangowski3298
      @chiplangowski3298 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wonder if Tesla is forbidding towing tests with the Cybertruck? I am surprised that you haven't seen any real tests as that is what everyone is asking for but nobody does.

    • @TroySavary
      @TroySavary 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@chiplangowski3298It is because no real truck users have the truck. Only urbanite Tesla fans.

    • @salguzman7840
      @salguzman7840 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@chiplangowski3298 Exactly, also have so many questions about this range extender. Does it have same cooling system, will they be able to charge at same rate and efficiently. I wish they made battery sizes configurable, at least increase battery size tri motor cyberbeast. Why have hype video towing against competition if it cant hold up in reality. Elon should have hyped this as a glorified short range grocery commuter. Don’t get my hopes up as actual usable work truck that can tow my RV.

    • @virtualZ161
      @virtualZ161 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe wait until the RAM charger comes out in 2025 if you want a EV truck. They claim it will get 690 total miles

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@virtualZ161 Dodge/Stellantis talks a lot of sht.

  • @noahknight4039
    @noahknight4039 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can drive a good distance at 0%.
    That reserve juice is pretty good.

  • @collegepros
    @collegepros 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I travel from Utah to CA regularly. I’ve traveled in winter months in the 30’s. It takes about 11 hours going 70-80 mph. Mostly 80 mph. The range is very disappointing. I’m hoping that by the time my reservation comes up (late 2027), because I’m about 750k on the wait list, that Tesla will be on the Gen 4 battery by then, with much improved battery density. 🤞

    • @vulpo
      @vulpo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Where I live 80 MPH would be much more realistic. If Tesla can boost the range enough by the time my reservation comes up, I will go ahead with the CT, otherwise I may get the Ramcharger if it can meet most of its targeted specs.

    • @michaelterrazas1325
      @michaelterrazas1325 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Your driving is much like mine, I live in CA, and most of my driving is to UT, ID, WY, TX, and WA. I had high hopes with the initial announcement. This vehicle is totally useless to us. And given the specs of other Li-ion BEVs, I think that I'm going to have to wait for a practical technology. With ICE vehicles, including hybrids, it is easy to find 4-500 mile range for these trips. BEVs still have garbage range and horrid recharge times, because face it, only the first section will be starting at 100%, all the other legs will be 80% down to 10 or 20%. So length of charge will be the killer. On a round trip to Pocatello, charging added over 7 hours to a usually 13 our trip. But no one seems to be looking at solutions. Gas & diesel are the only practical solutions for us.

    • @AcmeRacing
      @AcmeRacing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I've done the trip from Portland Maine to Orlando or Kissimmee Florida in two days (with one overnight stop) multiple times. It's about 70 for most of the I-95 corridor, with a few billboards to entertain you in the Carolinas (Pedro's Fireworks, does yours? It's a smash hit! etc.) When I look at 1420 miles with sub-250 miles of range, I'd have to add between 5 and 45 hours of charging time to my plan. The Cyber Truck would eat up another 2-4 days of vacation just getting there and home ... no thank you.

    • @aigtrader2984
      @aigtrader2984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      OMG are you telling me the South of the border billboards are still there? I used to take that drive constantly back in the late 80s early 90s and they were entertaining as all get out@@AcmeRacing

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Or you can just, buy the Silverado EV with 450 miles of range....or just forget about using an inefficient truck LOL

  • @PYTwwe
    @PYTwwe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Damn, it's ungly in real life. I saw one in Playa Vista yesterday.

  • @omniconcepts_7275
    @omniconcepts_7275 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    A very fair and objective review as usual.

  • @Upsidedownfoodpyramid
    @Upsidedownfoodpyramid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    North Dakota doesn’t have very many charging stations and is currently below zero. It would be interesting to see the same test and if there are enough charging stations to get across the state in the extreme cold weather.

  • @keithhere5868
    @keithhere5868 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    OMG...Gas there is only 2.63!

  • @kenyattaclay7666
    @kenyattaclay7666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The reason why that toll road is so open is because the location of it is stupid as hell. Even in the middle of rush hour traffic it doesn’t really save you any time over driving 35. The cot of the toll & what you would pay in fuel (even charging an EV) just isn’t worth the 5-10 minutes because you have to go so far east just to reconnect back to 35. It’s cool for something like this but not for everyday use.

  • @concentricvoid
    @concentricvoid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I assume the EPA 318 miles of range is for mixed use city and highway driving, which may be more realistic than pure highway driving.

    • @Astke
      @Astke 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All these ratings are done in summery conditions anyway

    • @jonpetter8921
      @jonpetter8921 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      But unlike brands like BMW, Audi, Porsche Tesla real world and EPA range difference is pretty significant.

    • @Xetairex
      @Xetairex 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@jonpetter8921Exactly. Tesla has always overpromised range.

    • @Trades46
      @Trades46 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This is called Tesla lies on its EPA range. Every one of their cars fails to meet their range figures, while Ford, BMW, VW & Volvo meets or beats theirs.

    • @MrNicholg
      @MrNicholg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Range only really matters for highway road trips.

  • @RoyDurett
    @RoyDurett 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sure it can drive so can cars but can it actually do truck stuff? can it haul a bed or a couch? can it pull a trailer?

  • @AutoHeadz
    @AutoHeadz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man… not gunna lie this is disappointing. Any kind of extended road trip would be annoying. Most full size pickups have around 450 miles with a full tank. Imagine driving to a vacation spot with family and you have to stop at least 2x as many times as they have to and when you do stop and at least 45min to charge as opposed to 5 min to fill up gas. Still getting one but this limits its practicality for sure.

    • @ContraVsGigi
      @ContraVsGigi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And if you are pulling a trailer, count 4-5 stops.

  • @kabob21
    @kabob21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly I find these EV tests to dry disingenuous because it’s both bad for the battery pack and it’s more useful to run it down to 1% charge or 5 miles of range to mimic actual real-life conditions. That’s more than dire enough to get to a charger ASAP.

  • @deucedaprodeuca
    @deucedaprodeuca 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    At least you were "At Home" when it died. 😂. Because you stopped in front of the "At Home" store. 😶

  • @BarryObaminable
    @BarryObaminable 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    24:00 Bolt. only 55KW But battery is only 60Kw/hr so it only takes about an hour.
    Nobody should be trying to cross country in it. But for 22k after tax credit. Its worthwhile limitation.

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Incorrect. A bolt with the improved battery will take nearly 2 and a half hours to get to 100 on DC charging, as it will not stay at 60kw for that long.

  • @Paul-cj1wb
    @Paul-cj1wb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Would love to see a three way charging test between the Lighting, the Rivian, and the Cybertruck all at the same time. Would need a Supercharger site next to EA (we have it where I live). See which one gets to 80% first and then to a 100%.

    • @fernando.estrella
      @fernando.estrella 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’d like Out of Specs to do a “Race to Vegas” style video like they have in the past. But this time with the Cybertruck, Rivian, F150 lightning, Hummer, any other electric truck

    • @princealexander6155
      @princealexander6155 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      would also need all road tires vs mud tires on the cybertruck but that’s not coming until later 2024. But that would be more of a fair comparison.

  • @bigjeep127
    @bigjeep127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Am I the only one pretty dissapointed by this? Aside from the A/T tires, this is it, this is the longest range CT that Tesla is offering. BIG difference vs what was advertised 4 years ago. We had to wait longer for it and it costs a fortune. Thinking about cancelling my order.

  • @LearningFast
    @LearningFast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Kyle has earned the nap 💤 he is going to earn after all of this testing is done.

  • @larrygerfen2801
    @larrygerfen2801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This video demonstrates the overcomplexity of dealing with a just released EV. Still basic ICE fully fuel in 15 minutes, turn on, set trans to Drive, and go for easy relaxed 300+ miles.

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you want gobs of range, buy any hybrid or PHEV, not an EV.

  • @JonSnowsGhost
    @JonSnowsGhost 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    Great vid Kyle. You drove hours in the middle of the night to test this thing for us. Don’t mind the whiners. 😂

    • @nsrvtqc
      @nsrvtqc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      He did the test to make money. not for you. 🤦‍♂️

    • @michaeltan9512
      @michaeltan9512 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nsrvtqc I guess you don't have a car because seller/dealership they cannot make money from you.

    • @elchantajista
      @elchantajista 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So what bout in the middle of a snow storm oh wait we already know what happens, pity nobody buying an EV , and nobody getting rid of the gas and diesel engine vehicles, i guess the left will have to go full communism on us , good luck with that

  • @TheOzarkWizard
    @TheOzarkWizard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    instead of a retractable bed cover, they could add a solar/carbon fiber solid panel that opens with regular old shocks

    • @BBingo-v5i
      @BBingo-v5i 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They could have done a lot of things to make this usable and cool, as a starter they should have taken the crayons away from the 5 year old who designed this vehicle. They could have also made it more efficient, made it charge better, achieve more range and offered it at a better price. The thing is, they didn't. They probably weren't even capable to produce anything better. The Cybertruck is trash.

  • @rickbullock4331
    @rickbullock4331 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I live in Ontario Canada and our speed limit,on major highways for the most part is 100 km/h (62 m.p.h.) and most people drive probably closer to 120 km/h (75 m.p.h.) without Police getting upset. I was wondering how many more miles of range would have been available by dropping the speed by 5 m.p.h. during the whole test? 46F isn’t cold at all in winter. How much more energy does it take to warm up the batteries when the temperatures do drop to well below the freezing mark? I like watching your videos but they’re usually a whole lot of info over my head but I’m sure the nerd people appreciate all of this info. I’ll keep watching.👍👍🇨🇦

    • @HenryLoenwind
      @HenryLoenwind 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Going down 5 mph should get you about 3/4 the way to the EPA highway rating.

    • @DuckHunterGaming
      @DuckHunterGaming 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ~8-9% more range if you drop speed by 5mph from 70-65. Thats pretty much the rule for all vehicles.

  • @RichardVerbruggeCA
    @RichardVerbruggeCA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    $4.39 today for 87 octane in Silicon Valley CA today. Chevron, Shell and other big brands are closer to or over $5.00 a gallon.

  • @Wifyish
    @Wifyish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The range extender position is so stupid I wonder why they did that at all. Could they really not fit it under the floor? Or make it smaller to occupy the storage compartment under the bed.
    Why even buy a pickup if you use the bed to store the battery.

    • @josephdewuhan
      @josephdewuhan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s my question. In addition to that, real off road driving needs a spare tire which will take up more space.

  • @PassportBrosBusinessClass
    @PassportBrosBusinessClass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In order to be fully transparent, it's important for these manufacturers to tell us
    #1 What the range is.
    #2 What the range when the HVAC is on is.
    #3 What percent of the battery we are allowed to charge up to.
    #4 What the range is when we charge up to a specific battery level.
    It's easy to say an EV gets over 300 miles range...but what they don't say is that's at 95% battery capacity - and they may reduce you to charging to just 80 or 85%
    I'm charging every other day because I drive in excess of 80 MPH and have the HVAC, heated seat, heated steering wheel and massage on.
    I'm charging at least twice a week. Like my damn Applewatch Ultra 2.

  • @briannave7326
    @briannave7326 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I’m a farmer and most farmers quite often pull trailers with heavy loads with their trucks. I don’t think this truck would work out very well for farming.

    • @brucec954
      @brucec954 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      EV’s are great for towing shorter distances like around a farm, it’s long distance highway towing that’s the problem

    • @AkioWasRight
      @AkioWasRight 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brucec954 A farmer isn't going to beat up a $100,000 EV around a farm.
      Also, since EVs are so expensive, there must be a payback through gas savings. You'll never see payback if you don't stack up miles.

  • @ricatiman
    @ricatiman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you press for high beam and hold, that's the flash position that has both high and low beams on together.

  • @hamptonchivasa
    @hamptonchivasa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not sure what such tests are meant to show really. In every day life you would never go to zero. Besides the car tells you not to. So what is the reason for the test. There are some things not worth knowing.

  • @be236
    @be236 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Volta chargers in my area typically turn-off from around midnight to 6am, so was surprised to see they work past that time in Austin area... Nice.

  • @Christoph-sd3zi
    @Christoph-sd3zi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Don't forget the Hummer EV in your group comparison test!

  • @theoldman8877
    @theoldman8877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good point! an add talking about a future product has no effect on the range of the vehicle you currently have at this time.

  • @MrNicholg
    @MrNicholg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That windshield is a major high pressure zone. Lamborghini learned that lesson in the 70s. Silicon Valley reinventing the wheel again.

    • @Ajjakakkaka
      @Ajjakakkaka 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don’t love the cybertruck either, but it has zero affiliation with Silicon Valley lol… designed in Texas, built in Texas. Does that make it better? Idk

    • @Xetairex
      @Xetairex 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@AjjakakkakaZero? Lol. Tesla still has a lot of engineering here. Including a lot of the hardware electronic and electrical R&D in Palo Alto and a few other places in the Bay Area.

    • @Yokonato
      @Yokonato 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@Ajjakakkaka cybertruck was a concept way before he they moved HQ to Texas, Elon been showing the design for a several years, only the inside changed, the exterior design hasn't.

  • @nicholasmuni7995
    @nicholasmuni7995 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Effects on range is a lot of factors, temperature, elevation,terrain,speed, weather conditions,but the real sad point at this juncture is the CT is not towing anything what will those range numbers look like?

  • @Adriaaan
    @Adriaaan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    @22:07 - what's happening is the headlight is aiming upwards slightly. In addition to throwing light further, this is to minimize glare on the road giving you better nightvision. S/X/3/Y with projectors do this too if you look closely. Older S/X with LEDs will turn off the ones illuminating the road right in front of you. To see properly at night you don't actually want the road right in front of you lit up.

  • @SterlingSanders
    @SterlingSanders 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just as I was thinking about tire pressure, you mention it. Very thorough sir. Because that rear driver side tire looks low in the video. But maybe it’s just the optics of the heptagon wheel cover.

  • @CarlWithACamera
    @CarlWithACamera 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love to see the same test at 55mph. Not that that’s a realistic real-life scenario - who drives 55? - but it would be illustrative of how much air resistance affects efficiency.

    • @rp9674
      @rp9674 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great idea

    • @tsh4k
      @tsh4k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When you're towing you should never exceed 55mph. In the EU that's generally the max speed for trucks with a load regardless of the posted speed limit. Regardless of the law, it's just not safe to be going that fast when towing.

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The entire state of Connecticut does 55 on I-95. It’s infuriating

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tsh4kYes because the EU is a stupid nanny state

    • @CarlWithACamera
      @CarlWithACamera 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kalasmournrex1470 I always avoided that when traveling the east coast from South Florida to Nashua, NH.

  • @AZdroptop
    @AZdroptop 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wow, 250? Not great really.

    • @badchefi
      @badchefi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I remember lead acid barrel EVs in the 1970’s doing 20 miles - today some of the most amazing technology is wasted on the most entitled and spoilt generation.
      The Cyber truck doesn’t suck - you do😂

    • @STREETMANFOX
      @STREETMANFOX 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      250 range is bare minimum for usable vehicle, he just made the grade, in ten years we will have 500 range, as long as Trump gets in there

    • @badchefi
      @badchefi 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ maybe for you - in America the average driven per day is around 60km.
      We have been using a 100km range EV since 2016 doing 20’000km per year.

  • @Fechual
    @Fechual 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you Kyle for another solid review. I don't know if there is another channel that is as thorough as yours.

  • @tedantares2751
    @tedantares2751 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Nice truck to go to a nearby Starbucks in the morning!

    • @rp9674
      @rp9674 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or a Gelsons

  • @schunkelndedschunke6914
    @schunkelndedschunke6914 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    For a 800V System the charging speed is a choke.

  • @radovanskokan7853
    @radovanskokan7853 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Great video Kyle. Going to write an article on our website about this. So the 70 mph range is at 408 km, not an impressive number. If you translated that to European conditions, where mostly the highway speed limit is 81 mph / 130 kph and most people actually drive 10 kph over the limit ( 87 mph / 140 kph ), I dont know. Tesla should improve the 4680 cells pack asap.

    • @Adreno23421
      @Adreno23421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yup. This is a lot less than what it was promised in 2019.

    • @rameusunlimited1561
      @rameusunlimited1561 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It will be interesting to see if they are able to improve the energy density of their batteries, or fit a bigger pack in the existing truck. Hopefully they do this before Toyota’s solid state batteries arrive to take over the market.

    • @Adreno23421
      @Adreno23421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rameusunlimited1561 This battery technology is already at its limit, the 4680 is the new more powerful battery. It's quite doubtful that they will improve this technology enough to make a difference, unfortunately. Toyota's SS batteries will take another decade to hit the market, in my guesstimates.

    • @rameusunlimited1561
      @rameusunlimited1561 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Adreno23421 they have been constantly tinkering with their batteries, but you are right they probably won’t have a substantial improvement at least near term. The only real answer is a larger battery pack. If Tesla wasn’t so against it having a range extending generator instead of another battery pack would probably make this a much better towing vehicle.

    • @Adreno23421
      @Adreno23421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rameusunlimited1561 Yup!!

  • @danielroden9424
    @danielroden9424 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    all season LRR should give it a 10-15% bump?

  • @gymdoc7549
    @gymdoc7549 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    $2.63/gallon for gas? Man you guys have it good in the U.S.

    • @lemongavine
      @lemongavine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heavily subsidized by the government

    • @Ovibos5
      @Ovibos5 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No taxes in Texas.

    • @AkioWasRight
      @AkioWasRight 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Not all of the US is like this. In Los Angeles, we're paying nearly $5.00/gallon.

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​​@@AkioWasRight
      Still cheap
      Equivalent to $7.06 / US gallon in London this week.
      (And that's the cheapest)

    • @AkioWasRight
      @AkioWasRight 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@rogerstarkey5390 I guess so, but California is looking to be exactly like you. During the summer, Downtown Los Angeles is closer to $7.00/gallon due to special blends of fuel in California.
      Keep in mind, we drive big, inefficient vehicles in the US. We aren't used to high gas prices. To fill up something like an F150 costs about $180 during the summer. To fill a dually pickup costs about $350.
      It's one of the reasons so many people are abandoning LA for places like Austin.

  • @bsaxman2012
    @bsaxman2012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish the EPA would include range estimates for city-only and highway-only driving for EVs. Unlike ICE vehicles, EV efficiency is worse on the highway due to no regen. And, it's on the highway where range is most important because highways are used for long distance trips and charging stations are spaced farther apart (or are non-existent). For city driving, regen improves range, and on top of that, range is typically less important because most EV owners charge at home and public charger are typically readily available.
    With ICE vehicles, it's pretty easy to multiply the city and highway MPG estimates by the capacity of the fuel tank to calculate range for each type of driving. But, with EVs, the calculation is more complicated for most consumers because you'd need to know the estimated kWh consumption per mile city and kWh consumption per mile highway and then divide the useable battery capacity by the kWh consumption per mile. Official kWh consumption for city or highway driving is not readily available and Tesla (for example) does not provide the useable battery capacity of its cars (although there are pretty good guesstimates available for this information).
    So, it is possible for someone to calculate a city-only and high-only EV range, it's more complicated than it should be. I wish the Monroney sticker and EPA web site would provide this information for EVs. That way, if a prospective customer of an EV does mostly highway driving, or was concerned primarily with highway driving range, they could easily look this information up and make their purchasing decision instead of being surprised that their actual highway range is much less than the combined driving EPA range estimate that is published on the Monroney sticker and EPA web site.

  • @DavidSmith-zy9mm
    @DavidSmith-zy9mm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Like you, I was looking for the #14,000 pound towing capability with the 500 mile range. We were planning on using the Cybertruck to pull our camper around in retirement. But I also understand that I am the less than 1% user.

    • @UKMike2009
      @UKMike2009 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I suggest you have a serious review of your plans - the Cybertruck is not the droid you were looking for. 😀

    • @justinjones6810
      @justinjones6810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Closest you will get will be the Silverado ev or gmc sierra ev

    • @Infinion
      @Infinion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tesla Semi would be a better choice for you then, lol. In all seriousness though, towing vehicles should supplement range with some form of energy generation, be it, diesel, solar (gross), or another form. But until that's a reality, you've really got to think differently and use the charger network to feel out where you can reach.

    • @bambamfpv1102
      @bambamfpv1102 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tesla Semi is likely the only option and I don't think they will sell them to individuals. I wanted to pull my RV with my reserved cyber truck too but its clear that wont be an option for several years. If the hummer is an indication of the battery and motor efficiency the Ultium platform has to offer. GM wouldn't even have towing ability with a properly sized for towing 225 + kwh battery.

    • @Infinion
      @Infinion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bambamfpv1102 It might work depending on where you go in the network, but even then you're paying a premium for supercharger charging, and a massive amount of batteries to store energy to pull a huge mass and air drag around long distances (i would assume). IMO, that amount of batteries (200+kwh) should not be amassed for a single vehicle. Something in the order of 80-160kWh should be designed for alongside an efficient heat engine (generator or prime mover) with waste heat recovery should supplement the extra energy needed for towing. Better yet, if towing vehicles were designed more like planes, long distance travel wouldn't require the insane amounts of energy they currently do.

  • @TritonTv69420
    @TritonTv69420 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I want to see you do the test in Colorado!!!! Come to Boulder!!

  • @rich8669
    @rich8669 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Really want to see a boat towing test. ~5,000lbs

  • @phasehonda
    @phasehonda 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Need to test with the all seasons tyres soon and when towing load. This is obviously not a work truck but a recreational truck. Did Tesla mentioned the size of the battery they were planning to fit into this truck in the beginning? Or they cut cost and reduce the cells to meet market price expectations?

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, because Tesla doesn't want you to know the battery size because "reasons."

  • @Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần
    @Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I see that $2.63 gas price am drooling over it

    • @sprockkets
      @sprockkets 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm at 2.61 in the upper midwest. Gas is abnormally cheap due to low demand in the US.

    • @matthewm7867
      @matthewm7867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Basically gen z don’t drive cars or work - they just live in parents basement

    • @Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần
      @Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@matthewm7867 agree but no idea how that is related to the CT topic

  • @p.kem4018
    @p.kem4018 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this channel. His talking puts me to sleep at nighttime. Sorta like white noise

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's about 500 watt hours per mile, which gives you about a 250 mile range.

    • @hvacdr
      @hvacdr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and a 25 miles range towing a boat up a hill.

    • @yehmustafa2959
      @yehmustafa2959 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ryan towed 3000lb car and got 720 Wh/mi

  • @imaner76
    @imaner76 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    11:26pm until 12:37am waiting to go, on a super charger from 66% to 100%
    10% gone in 26 mins of driving.
    25% gone in 58 mins of driving. (62 Miles)
    50% gone in 119 mins of driving. (120 Miles)
    77% gone in 164 mins of driving. (184 Miles)
    85% gone in 179 mins of driving. (203 Miles)
    87% gone in 186 mins of driving. (208 Miles)
    90% gone in 192 mins of driving. (215 Miles)
    96% gone in 206 mins of driving. (231 Miles)
    97% gone in 208 mins of driving. (236 Miles)
    99% gone in 216 mins of driving. (241 Miles)
    100% gone in 217 mins of driving (242 Miles)
    [REDUCED OPERATION PHASE]
    110% gone in 240 mins of driving (254 Miles)
    So, what's your thoughts? 🤔

  • @MH-Tesla
    @MH-Tesla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Here is a review idea: give the truck to a lawn mowing crew for a day. How easy to get to equipment in and out all day. Would they leave the back of the truck open all day? Probably would unless taking a break or concerned about stuff getting stolen.

    • @rambrasil
      @rambrasil 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Such crew might not even find it feasible to use a cybertruck if they are part of a larger operation. The existing docking bays are sized for F-150, and the shape of the trailer bed of this truck wouldn’t work for that. Cybertruck is not meant to replace f-150 for work fleets. It is meant to sell to high end consumer users who want pickup trucks.

    • @MH-Tesla
      @MH-Tesla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@rambrasil I'm not looking for someone else's opinion which is why I'd like to see an actual real case review. I've got 6 work trucks and never once ever used a "docking bay." Thanks for the reply, but it's not remotely helpful here. I spend over 10k per year on maintenance and repair on average. This truck appears to be designed as the perfect contractor truck. If you want a grocery getter, get the Rivian. I'm looking for a work tool, I'd like to see it in use for that purpose.

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@rambrasil
      Since this truck is narrower outside than the F150, with a longer, wider bed and more suspension adjustment to account for loading, shouldn't be a problem?
      .
      As for items in the bed, better tie downs if required, plus the ability to take tall items in exactly the same way and great security for any smaller tools under the *locked* cover when the big stuff is being used?

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MH-Tesla
      Have you considered a Slide-out bed tray?
      That would overcome any mythical "access issues"?
      .
      As you say, you want a truck that's "working".
      Much better to call service, arrange a day and have THEM come to you on YOUR site (IF you need a repair) than having to waste time at the dealer dropping off, explaining the problem, collecting a loaner, swapping tools, etc, getting to your site late, only to get the "after lunch call" telling you it needs a part they don't have, can you come back in 3 days?" OR saying they're closing early, "can you return the loaner by 1600?"
      (Yes, I've been there!)

    • @MH-Tesla
      @MH-Tesla 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rogerstarkey5390 Good point about the slide out. I thought of that too. 👍 Or drop the tail gate and leave it down with an after market extender so it's an 8 foot bed. (Not sure if that works with towing a trailer.) As for repairs and maintenance, I've never gone to a dealership. I've got my "truck guy" to fix most stuff and a local repair shop to handle more routine stuff. If I had a dealer do everything it would double my costs. And of course we can do some things in house. If I did get a cyber truck for work, it'd be the rwd version after the prices drop below 50k. So not likely for 2-3 years. But my contention is that cybertruck will be the truck of choice for contractors like me once they get through the order backlog and business men who make decisions based off the utility and costs can start to get them.

  • @Cloxxki
    @Cloxxki 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is 70 mph indicated also actually 70 mph GPS? There's significant variation there on and between most vehicles.

  • @surferdude4487
    @surferdude4487 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The stear by wire works on the 48 volt system. It should still work when the high voltage battery is dead.

    • @slavko321
      @slavko321 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And if the 48v system fails?

    • @basedcaveman
      @basedcaveman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@slavko321it shouldn’t fail. It’s similar to modern cars throttles.

    • @tactileslut
      @tactileslut 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Interesting that they had it get stiffer as the car communicated loss of power. That emulates engine failure in a gasoline car with power steering, so it's familiar, but with all the feedback coming from a motor it's using more than the usual current to fight your arms and feel that way.

    • @slavko321
      @slavko321 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@basedcavemanI agree it shouldn't but i am curious how they did it. I've seen the steering wheel is completely disconnected from the wheels... is there a physical backup also?

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@slavko321
      Which part of the system?
      If the "battery" is failing, sensors will monitor and advise at let's say 49 volts. They will diagnose the component which is failing , advise the driver, and provide assistance to get "off the road" .
      If the battery is ok....
      P3 steering wheel position sensors.
      1 had an "off" reading, the system advised, but uses the 2 which agree. 1 sensor *fails*, the system runs on the 2 remaining....
      2 computers, independent supply and inputs, cross checking with each other.
      .
      Same with outputs.
      .
      Each feeds both steering motors with independent wiring.
      One set of cabling fails? Warning, but safe.
      One motor fails?
      Either one is powerful enough to move the rack.... Warning, but safe.
      Double redundant roadwheel position sensors ..... Guess what? Warning, but safe.
      .

  • @irsalman
    @irsalman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Parking brake during tow might be a no seatbelt issue... Have you considered using a f150 lightning to recharge? It works nicely with the on-board nema 14-50

  • @julianrooney8191
    @julianrooney8191 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    2 miles/kwh is terrible. I don't think anyone who buys a cybertruck is getting it for efficiency though

  • @dobermanguy9437
    @dobermanguy9437 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the price of that truck in the ranger getting no thank you play Kyle says when you pull a heavier load that battery is going to run down real quick

  • @FrankTheTank417
    @FrankTheTank417 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Great video. I’m reconsidering going with the CyberTruck now. I have a reservation for the Dual Motor and Tri-Motor. I’m a little upset hearing the Dual motor is costing people $100k for the founders edition with the upgrades it comes with. I can only imaging the cost of the tri-motor after upgrades. SMH 🤦‍♂️

    • @aigtrader2984
      @aigtrader2984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's easy 119

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don’t get Foundation Edition?

    • @paulelledge8977
      @paulelledge8977 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plus it's really ugly

  • @johnturner7322
    @johnturner7322 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with you about more battery for towing. That is why I am sticking with my 5.7L V-8 truck to tow my travel trailer thats GVWR is 7000#

  • @craven3190
    @craven3190 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Did anyone count how many stop signs he blew through?

  • @philipparana9225
    @philipparana9225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Soo 200 miles to 29 percent and 150 miles after that per supercharge if you drive 70 which in austin is 10-15 below flow of traffic 😊

  • @JonathanRootD
    @JonathanRootD 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So terrible charge curve and bad range to summarize.
    249 miles of range at 70mph and a charging speed of under 100 kwh at 55% is just silly.

  • @cdbnum1
    @cdbnum1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The upcoming Ram charger seems like the better option for towing.

  • @Blade70
    @Blade70 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    As a Tesla fanboy I like to say this is a fair and balanced review. Great job.

    • @didiermejia780
      @didiermejia780 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tesla fanboys are the worst.

    • @theglitch99
      @theglitch99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How do you define a Fanboy?

    • @AkioWasRight
      @AkioWasRight 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Real Tesla Fanboys would smash their keyboards over such balanced reviewing.

  • @KratomSyndicate
    @KratomSyndicate 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also towing a trailer how the heck do you back it into a charger? There are no pull up next to chargers like a gas pump? There is no way you can drop the trailer 15 times on a long distance drive pulling a camper.

  • @uaesaqer
    @uaesaqer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I am disappointed, I was expecting more range.. this video will make me reconsider buying CT

    • @matthewm7867
      @matthewm7867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buy ice vehicle it won’t disappoint

  • @StarDustMoonRocket
    @StarDustMoonRocket 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If anybody ever tries a roadside rescue with a tow strap, dial 91 and then standby.