The best part is listening to Alyssa give honest thoughts. She doesn't sugar-coat anything. I noticed she has a more involved role in the videos lately.
Really appreciate your content. You do not own stock in any of these EV builders and do not seem overly worried about saying critical things with fear of builders not giving you access to the press fleets/events. It has been great to watch Out of Spec grow. I question so much media I consume, but your content comes across as legit and that is rare these days. Keep up the great work Kyle and team.
@@egs2169 I willing to take Kyle at his word. If he has an index fund with Tesla in it, that would be very minor. Most index funds do not have one company as the dominant stock based on percentage of value. I am sure Kyle has some tiny conflict of interest if you look at everything under a microscope, but compared to the vast majority of media channels doing vehicle reviews he appears to have among the least conflicts of interest and has been very candid about his thoughts on all the vehicles he has reviewed. Many are afraid of hurting the feelings of builders due to losing access to press vehicles and press events.
"media channels" ?, there are media channels? I suppose everyone is making a living covering Tesla. All of the negative ones make more money - they owe their living off of click bait. All "professionals" are negative on everything, news by definition is negative news since decades ago.
A few years I found this guy all excited about buying the cheapest used little ev on it's last legs. He charged it as much as he could. And then he just drove it until it ran out of juice. That Nissan Leaf went further than anyone thought. That passion still shines though. Congratulations. PS I look forward to a review of the BYD Seagull or Seals🐬. I finally in a position to make the transition myself.
I'm not, because it's not real, but I want it to become real. They need to stay in business till they can get it into production, get it ramped, and make money on it. I hope it happens. They look great. And I home they make a sh!t ton of Amazon vans while we wait.
@@fjalics That is absolutely true. It will be a test of time for Rivian to pull out these cars on time if they can survive all that cash they are currently burning
While Alyssa's removal was entertaining, I'm flabbergasted as to why dealers do not remove all the plastic before the buyer takes delivery. Removing all the plastic from my Ioniq 5 was very frustrating!
@@pokerguvna978 I mean they might if you ask. Personally as someone who made a dealer ship my last car 7 hours so I could get it in as new a state as possible I want it as close to rolling off the factory floor as possible.
Best ev-channel out there. Kyle is always so totally honest and genuine. Always paying close attention to his thoughts. One smal wish is you go to colder climates to test and drive your cars. Looking forward to following the Refrigerator Beast here on the channel.
I took delivery of my Model 3 in 2021 from Jacksonville as well, was a very quick and smooth experience. I turned right out of there then did a U-turn to head back home to Gainesville and instantly did a full send on the throttle. 😂
I love your guys content, thanks for making it for us! That being said, you’ve gotta chill about no fsd. You know better than anyone that the fleet trains the system. No fleet, no training
Awesome. Loved to watch your channel grow Kyle. You deserve this success. You have put your heart and soul into this channel. Watch this one and Out of Spec Dave everyday. NOW COME OUT WITH SOME MERCH!!!! LOL
47:20 interesting that you say that about waving. I’ve lived in Georgia most of my life so I definitely know about southern hospitality. But, my father who moved from DC area to Fort Collins when he was young mentioned how shocked he was when his neighbors out of nowhere would just wave at him and said hello. I guess Colorado has changed quite a bit in the past 30 years.
14:20 You can do a CLEAR wrap. It's basically what dealerships offer customers to protect paint against rock chips. But you can get the entire car wrapped with a clear wrap. Which would probably make the stainless finish pop with less finger prints
Thank you to Kyle, Alyssa, and the whole OoS team - I truly appreciate all your content and your extensive reviews of the Ioniq 5 were a huge part of my decision to purchase in 2023. That said, I regret to inform you that nothing you have ever done or will do in the future is going to top Alyssa yelling "MY NUTS!" as Kyle "gives it the beans". 😄
Kyle, the foundations series cyberbeast comes with the required gateway for the PowerShare feature and a $4000 install credit as well I believe. At that point the cyberbeast is now a 9 powerwall battery back up system. That seems to me like an incredibly valuable feature that not many people are talking about. Congratulations and great video.
But only if they approve you to be eligible lol. Should be $4,000 credit towards supercharging and let you keep the PowerShare if you aren’t eligible. Or at least just the money towards charging.
The portable power features are a very big deal for many users. I think, in the long term, it will be a significant factor in resale value, as people increasingly realize how it works and how well it works.
This reminds me of when I received my Signature Series Model S in 2012. Lots of things just weren't available yet, like the interior rear deck lid, and rear spoiler (that I decided not to have installed). Also, the software back then was in its infancy. I think I must have gotten 3 updates in the first 6-8 weeks, and some of them dramatically changed the 'personality' of the car (significant changes to the interface). I still miss the old version of the MP3 player that was replaced later. It had the ability to identify songs by artist, album, genre, etc. But it would also play (and randomize) all songs from a given artist, no matter what album they were from. I kept my entire music collection on a USB thumbdrive (a bit more than 65Gb of music) in that car. Just a rant, sorry.
He’s very obnoxious, condescending and a know it all, paying all that money for a car u have to sit up to an hour to charge it in the middle of a road trip, if the charger is working when u reach it, this guy is so stuck in his self he talks to hear himself talk
@@xeloniousferrell8773 "An hour"? It's obvious you dont watch this channel. "If it's working"? Tesla superchargers are very reliable. What are you even doin here man, stop hate watching.
Unbiased real life reviews are the way to go. The good, the bad, the unexpected. Honest feedback is invaluable for Tesla too so that the refresh CT is improved in a few years 😝. I'm a bit in the same boat as in the design of the CT is not for me (I don't want or need something that big either in my small European city) but I'm glad we're finally going to see different things on the roads: I can't stand the SUV boredom we've been having for 20 years... I'm also more interested in the tech innovations inside the CT than the aesthetics. Thanks for sharing.
I was low key waiting for grandpa to just straight out ask Kyle: "So, when are you planning to make my granddaughter an honest woman??" Haha. Gramps is cool. Thanks Kyle!!
Those fingerprints would drive me nuts! Always fun to watch Alyssa peeling the plastic. I’m almost three years in to my Model Y and still haven’t pulled the plastic off my mirrors lol. If I ever run into you guys at a Supercharger, Alyssa I’m saving them for you! :D
When I saw the CT in the Service Center a few months ago it really impressed me. The size of the tires and the look was very different than what you see in videos.
0:28 "is it ugly?" Granma: "I guess, yea." That answer came from the heart before she realised they actually bought that metal junk she went easy on them.
Thanks for explaining the purchase process. I was a little salty when you found the cyber truck. But that said. I don't have any referral points. So I guess I have to wait. Thank you for all the work you do. 🎉 Congratulations on getting the cyber beast
Hi, love all your content but I don't understand paying $122,000 usd and you are still in the Tesla parking lot and picking out problems already. Does Tesla not have a quality control department? Does it not bother you? I live in Montreal Canada and not a rich guy but if I did have the money I think It would really bug me. Thanks again you guys are great!
Of all the things Tesla didn't enable from the start, the lack of 800v charging is by far my biggest peeve. That's the whole point of the Cybertruck. Tesla's 1st 800v EV.
I got my Smart #1 Brabus early in October too, it came without Android Auto, Apple CarPlay or even a heated steering wheel. All have since arrived by OTA updates with lots more to come this month including a manual switch for battery heating, car wash mode auto & manual, valet mode, comfy access etc etc.😮
Definitely NOT a work truck like the Cyber truck will be. You won't see that Silverado electric truck being used by a real working man with a real work job. The CT is practical for contractors.
@@Knnnkncht I'm a contractor and know them, so... Stay tuned for when the CT gets through the early over paying buyers, because once this thing is priced like it's manufactured to be priced at, contractors will be all over it!
Super excited you guys got this, and can’t wait for more content. I’ve got the same truck on the way. The Foundation premium isn’t a bad deal on the Tri motor if you want all it comes with. -FSD -Install of 3V powershare system (up to $4000. This isnt covered on the AWD) -3V Powershare controller ($1200) -wall charger ($500) -light bar ($400) -lifetime premium connectivity ($120/year) -misc accessories (~$1000) This all totals to around $20K. So, its not just money thrown away to get the truck early.
Makes me sad . I had originally planned to trade in my M3P that I bought in 22 when it my cyber truck turn came . I put 20k down and took a low interest (2.9) loan for 66 months . I still owe 37k as when I bought it was at its most expensive ( 63k I remember correctly). According to Tesla it’s worth 23k now with 8k miles and great condition. I’ll delay my cyber truck till I pay off this car . Sell my early reservation or give it to a friend . But I’m not taking a 15k haircut on my M3P . Even if I went through with buy and tried to resell Tesla will come after me for the profit . Love the company but that resale clause would have made me happy as it could have wiped my M3P negative equity .
The best part is listening to Alyssa give honest thoughts. She doesn't sugar-coat anything. I noticed she has a more involved role in the videos lately.
Yeah, Alyssa would be good a bandaid remover. And she's a good peeler too. 🩹OUCH!
shes alot better on the eyes lol
Not Just another "fan-girl." I appreciate her attitude.
She also does a really poor job of showing her bias against Tesla. One of the least impartial people that shows up in youtube videos.
That thing looks like a mobile urinal🤣
The grandparents are great and young at heart for 90.
Guy looks 20 years younger then Biden
stress will age you faster.
Really appreciate your content. You do not own stock in any of these EV builders and do not seem overly worried about saying critical things with fear of builders not giving you access to the press fleets/events.
It has been great to watch Out of Spec grow. I question so much media I consume, but your content comes across as legit and that is rare these days.
Keep up the great work Kyle and team.
Unlike a number of other reviewers who are on the Sandy side.
😉
If Kyle has a S&P 500 index fund like millions of Americans he owns Tesla stock
@@egs2169 I willing to take Kyle at his word. If he has an index fund with Tesla in it, that would be very minor. Most index funds do not have one company as the dominant stock based on percentage of value.
I am sure Kyle has some tiny conflict of interest if you look at everything under a microscope, but compared to the vast majority of media channels doing vehicle reviews he appears to have among the least conflicts of interest and has been very candid about his thoughts on all the vehicles he has reviewed. Many are afraid of hurting the feelings of builders due to losing access to press vehicles and press events.
"media channels" ?, there are media channels? I suppose everyone is making a living covering Tesla. All of the negative ones make more money - they owe their living off of click bait. All "professionals" are negative on everything, news by definition is negative news since decades ago.
Nothing like owning a Rivian R1T and driving a Silverado EV to take delivery of a Cybertruck. 😅
What about the lightning he drives around?
@@evGuyFL , he's borrowed some but doesn't own one.
Love that house across from Alyssa's grandparents. Interesting how it seems to be built around the RV
A few years I found this guy all excited about buying the cheapest used little ev on it's last legs. He charged it as much as he could. And then he just drove it until it ran out of juice. That Nissan Leaf went further than anyone thought.
That passion still shines though. Congratulations.
PS I look forward to a review of the BYD Seagull or Seals🐬. I finally in a position to make the transition myself.
Grandma s got the right attitude!👍
She could have said, "It seems like it has a nice personality". My Dad likes "different" too, it sounds less judgmental.
I’m liking granny, his wife must be a keeper, cause his wife has the same attitude!❤
earned a sub! loving this pro-EV content. Rest of the world seems to hate EV’s. Seems like people love seeing it and brings people together!
Great!! Keep showing all EVs . However now I am most excited about Rivian R2, R3 and undoubtedly R3X
We already have a video on those!
I'm wondering how quickly one will be done up in white with blue accents.
I'm not, because it's not real, but I want it to become real. They need to stay in business till they can get it into production, get it ramped, and make money on it. I hope it happens. They look great. And I home they make a sh!t ton of Amazon vans while we wait.
literal years away
@@fjalics That is absolutely true. It will be a test of time for Rivian to pull out these cars on time if they can survive all that cash they are currently burning
I'm impressed by Alyssa's dedication to find all the plastic to peel
1:11:56 gonna say that was my favorite part of the video lol
While Alyssa's removal was entertaining, I'm flabbergasted as to why dealers do not remove all the plastic before the buyer takes delivery. Removing all the plastic from my Ioniq 5 was very frustrating!
@@pokerguvna978 I mean they might if you ask. Personally as someone who made a dealer ship my last car 7 hours so I could get it in as new a state as possible I want it as close to rolling off the factory floor as possible.
Best ev-channel out there. Kyle is always so totally honest and genuine. Always paying close attention to his thoughts. One smal wish is you go to colder climates to test and drive your cars. Looking forward to following the Refrigerator Beast here on the channel.
I took delivery of my Model 3 in 2021 from Jacksonville as well, was a very quick and smooth experience. I turned right out of there then did a U-turn to head back home to Gainesville and instantly did a full send on the throttle. 😂
I agree the Jacksonville Team is great. I picked up my 2024 Model X Plaid there 2 weeks ago.
I love your guys content, thanks for making it for us! That being said, you’ve gotta chill about no fsd. You know better than anyone that the fleet trains the system. No fleet, no training
I have to say, the silverado ev looks great.
Hard disagree. The only worse looking 'truck' is the Hummer EV
Awesome. Loved to watch your channel grow Kyle. You deserve this success. You have put your heart and soul into this channel. Watch this one and Out of Spec Dave everyday. NOW COME OUT WITH SOME MERCH!!!! LOL
Alissa I love your comments on the truck no sugar coating it
1:03:58- 1:04:02 “How do I use the volume?”
“There’s a giant knob on the screen”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sick addition to the collection!
Kyle seems like the most down to earth…chill guy I have ever saw review vehicles.
Makes me smile watching you enjoying your Cybertruck, congratulations.
me too 😄
Thanks Kyle, never a dull moment at Out of Spec Reviews! Congratulations on your newest addition to your EV fleet! Looking forward to the content!!!
Can't wait to see Alyssa off-roading the CyberBeast.
This truck is the most excited I've been for watching your channel.
Rims look so much better without the covers, just leave em like that!
Congratulations! Dave is the best!
Thanks Dave!
Thanks for educating everyone on EV
47:20 interesting that you say that about waving. I’ve lived in Georgia most of my life so I definitely know about southern hospitality. But, my father who moved from DC area to Fort Collins when he was young mentioned how shocked he was when his neighbors out of nowhere would just wave at him and said hello. I guess Colorado has changed quite a bit in the past 30 years.
Big Thanks to Dave and Kathy for allowing this to happen.
lol yup
oh are they the owners or something
14:20 You can do a CLEAR wrap. It's basically what dealerships offer customers to protect paint against rock chips. But you can get the entire car wrapped with a clear wrap. Which would probably make the stainless finish pop with less finger prints
Alyssa’s disdain for the truck is real!😂
I depend on my wife for common sense reactions also
And well deserved
The delivery reminds me of the old Saturn car delivery staging at the dealerships, just updated for 2024.
Congrats! I know you will test everything we could possibly want to know about it.
Bless your heart for loving that woman.
Congratulations, looking forward to the new cyber truck content.
Ordered my CyberBeast on 12/21. Having cold feet and somewhat dreading the delivery notification TBH. Thanks for this content!
It begins!
Congratulations Kyle...I can't wait to get your Mom's impression of the Cyber Beast!!!! Well done Big Guy
Thank you to Kyle, Alyssa, and the whole OoS team - I truly appreciate all your content and your extensive reviews of the Ioniq 5 were a huge part of my decision to purchase in 2023. That said, I regret to inform you that nothing you have ever done or will do in the future is going to top Alyssa yelling "MY NUTS!" as Kyle "gives it the beans". 😄
Kyle, the foundations series cyberbeast comes with the required gateway for the PowerShare feature and a $4000 install credit as well I believe. At that point the cyberbeast is now a 9 powerwall battery back up system. That seems to me like an incredibly valuable feature that not many people are talking about. Congratulations and great video.
But only if they approve you to be eligible lol. Should be $4,000 credit towards supercharging and let you keep the PowerShare if you aren’t eligible. Or at least just the money towards charging.
The portable power features are a very big deal for many users.
I think, in the long term, it will be a significant factor in resale value, as people increasingly realize how it works and how well it works.
LOVE this! We just bought our fifth Tesla and I would never go back to gas! I want to come to Colorado and see your Cybertruck!! 😃
A CyberBeast, heh? This is gonna be fun!
So good to see people being friendly and generally excited
Congrats Kyle and Out of Spec Team for this delivery. I felt your excitement for sure. Enjoy the Cybertruck Cyberbeast Founders Edition.
I used your dad's referral code for my Tesla, glad it went to a good cause!! Can't wait for the rest of the content you'll make with the truck. Enjoy!
Thank you! 🎉
Congrats Kyle! 👏🏻 Gold for TH-cam content
But that's all these content creators are looking for. Content, but at this point, the CT is over exposed and frankly boring AF.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one
(5 seconds into driving) "alright just floor it, you're used to it" 🤣🤣
The pups are gonna love this thing! Congrats guys!!!
This reminds me of when I received my Signature Series Model S in 2012. Lots of things just weren't available yet, like the interior rear deck lid, and rear spoiler (that I decided not to have installed). Also, the software back then was in its infancy. I think I must have gotten 3 updates in the first 6-8 weeks, and some of them dramatically changed the 'personality' of the car (significant changes to the interface). I still miss the old version of the MP3 player that was replaced later. It had the ability to identify songs by artist, album, genre, etc. But it would also play (and randomize) all songs from a given artist, no matter what album they were from. I kept my entire music collection on a USB thumbdrive (a bit more than 65Gb of music) in that car. Just a rant, sorry.
This Kyle guy can't stop grinning from ear to ear.
He’s very obnoxious, condescending and a know it all, paying all that money for a car u have to sit up to an hour to charge it in the middle of a road trip, if the charger is working when u reach it, this guy is so stuck in his self he talks to hear himself talk
@@xeloniousferrell8773 "An hour"? It's obvious you dont watch this channel. "If it's working"? Tesla superchargers are very reliable. What are you even doin here man, stop hate watching.
He's living the dream. I don't blame him.
@@xeloniousferrell8773So why are you watching?
@@TotallyJoelbut if you charge at home it’s does not even take any time 😊
Unbiased real life reviews are the way to go. The good, the bad, the unexpected. Honest feedback is invaluable for Tesla too so that the refresh CT is improved in a few years 😝.
I'm a bit in the same boat as in the design of the CT is not for me (I don't want or need something that big either in my small European city) but I'm glad we're finally going to see different things on the roads: I can't stand the SUV boredom we've been having for 20 years...
I'm also more interested in the tech innovations inside the CT than the aesthetics.
Thanks for sharing.
You real think someone who had 30k Tesla referral points will be unbiased? "Shill" and "unbiased" do not go together.
„No That was sarcasm“ - alyssa 😂
28:58 lol
yep, funny and ironic, considering that that's one of the least objectionable things about this vehicle in terms of its appearance
Great observation at the end of the video. On-line is 75% cyber-hate, in person is 90% cyber-love.
I was low key waiting for grandpa to just straight out ask Kyle: "So, when are you planning to make my granddaughter an honest woman??" Haha. Gramps is cool. Thanks Kyle!!
hope kyle sees this
Those fingerprints would drive me nuts! Always fun to watch Alyssa peeling the plastic. I’m almost three years in to my Model Y and still haven’t pulled the plastic off my mirrors lol. If I ever run into you guys at a Supercharger, Alyssa I’m saving them for you! :D
"We won't risk showing the other trucks." Yes, good thing we didn't see the other 6 Cybertrucks lined up against the wall! 😆
When I saw the CT in the Service Center a few months ago it really impressed me. The size of the tires and the look was very different than what you see in videos.
0:28 "is it ugly?" Granma: "I guess, yea." That answer came from the heart before she realised they actually bought that metal junk she went easy on them.
Awesome video on the Cyber Beast! I absolutely can't wait to see your test videos with it! Happy travels.
Hit the like button folks! 👍👍Kyle should be getting more likes.
Thanks for explaining the purchase process. I was a little salty when you found the cyber truck. But that said. I don't have any referral points. So I guess I have to wait. Thank you for all the work you do. 🎉 Congratulations on getting the cyber beast
I personally think the wheel covers look terrible...no covers is so much better.
One of the best Foundation Series inclusions is the Powershare home backup hardware to allow transfer of energy to your home!
Your Grandma seems so nice :)
Agreed on Software updates, I took delivery of my Model 3 in October and still don't have full enhanced autopilot.
Need one video with Alyssa's grandma driving the truck.
Congrats! Glad I passed on mine in TX. I feel they'll be everywhere
For the cost, it should have the best charging and range....good luck with the beast.
Its comparable to rivians...
Hey grandma s got the right attitude 😊
Congrats, Kyle and Alyssa. I’d say Alyssa and the dogs deserve to be primary drivers of this one. 🐕
Damn, I checked for my VIN at least 5 times while watching this videos! Come on Tesla. I want to go race Kyle!
Hi, love all your content but I don't understand paying $122,000 usd and you are still in the Tesla parking lot and picking out problems already. Does Tesla not have a quality control department? Does it not bother you? I live in Montreal Canada and not a rich guy but if I did have the money I think It would really bug me. Thanks again you guys are great!
Even supercars and hyper cars have plenty of problems when delivered.
But I agree Tesla needs to do better with their quality control.
Some of the most unreliable cars are luxury vehicles if you could afford one
I really like the font they used for the speedo, especially the way the zero has a line through it.
The amount of attention this truck gets is insane!
Love the Out of Spec Review. I bought my 1st Model Y sight unseen based on Kyle’s review. You guys rock!
Great work Tesla! The referral program is awesome!
Awesome! Congrats and of course to My Man Dave! I’m sure he will have his video about it 😅
Of all the things Tesla didn't enable from the start, the lack of 800v charging is by far my biggest peeve. That's the whole point of the Cybertruck. Tesla's 1st 800v EV.
Love the chimes in that background of Alyssa peeling - like she is in her “Zen” moment… 😂
The best line in the whole review.... Alyssa's "The steering wheel is $h!t". 😂
Make sure you let Dad drive if since you gave him such a big surprise :P
Grandma's nice way to say she thinks it's ugly
I got my Smart #1 Brabus early in October too, it came without Android Auto, Apple CarPlay or even a heated steering wheel. All have since arrived by OTA updates with lots more to come this month including a manual switch for battery heating, car wash mode auto & manual, valet mode, comfy access etc etc.😮
The two things you wish the Cybertruck did better (more range and faster charging) are the two most important/critical things an EV has to do.
I am excited to see your Cybertruck in Fort Collins Kyle! Congrats!!!
Can't stop for more than a minute without a crowd forming 😂
Congrats! 👍🎉 Great video & looking forward to more Cybertruck vids. 🎥
Lol... 24:23 Alyssa trying her best not say how she really feels about the Cybertruck .
For the Foundation Series I believe it was Jordan on The Limiting Factor that said it includes the equipment to power your house and the installation?
"Close enough". That should be known as Tesla's company mantra.
Cheers Kyle Alyssa and Brandon
The Silverado is the most interesting truck
Definitely NOT a work truck like the Cyber truck will be. You won't see that Silverado electric truck being used by a real working man with a real work job. The CT is practical for contractors.
@@MH-Tesla lol
@@Knnnkncht I'm a contractor and know them, so... Stay tuned for when the CT gets through the early over paying buyers, because once this thing is priced like it's manufactured to be priced at, contractors will be all over it!
@@MH-Tesla CyberFlop is not a work truck and will never be.
Thank you folks. A fun 80 minutes of video.
OMG Carrot Cutter LMAOOO, yall should call it The Mandoline XD
Congrats on getting the beast of a truck. You will enjoy it. I am so jealous lol
Awesome Truck!
Great video, Kyle!
Awesome seeing your folks liking it as well!
Let’s set a timer and see how long it takes for Brandon to Flex Kyle’s cybertruck on his channel. ⏰
Super excited you guys got this, and can’t wait for more content. I’ve got the same truck on the way. The Foundation premium isn’t a bad deal on the Tri motor if you want all it comes with.
-FSD
-Install of 3V powershare system (up to $4000. This isnt covered on the AWD)
-3V Powershare controller ($1200)
-wall charger ($500)
-light bar ($400)
-lifetime premium connectivity ($120/year)
-misc accessories (~$1000)
This all totals to around $20K. So, its not just money thrown away to get the truck early.
Makes me sad . I had originally planned to trade in my M3P that I bought in 22 when it my cyber truck turn came . I put 20k down and took a low interest (2.9) loan for 66 months . I still owe 37k as when I bought it was at its most expensive ( 63k I remember correctly). According to Tesla it’s worth 23k now with 8k miles and great condition. I’ll delay my cyber truck till I pay off this car . Sell my early reservation or give it to a friend . But I’m not taking a 15k haircut on my M3P . Even if I went through with buy and tried to resell Tesla will come after me for the profit . Love the company but that resale clause would have made me happy as it could have wiped my M3P negative equity .
Great video on the CyberTrk. Special Thx to Out of Spec Dave for making this happen!