Blessings Only by acknowledging that there is a God, can we hope to make sense of human existence, the world we inhabit, and, paradoxically, the problem of evil. But if God is goodness personified and therefore, as our Creator, the divine source of all that is good, true and beautiful, why is there so much evil and suffering? What has gone wrong? The Christian answer to that question, the Bible says, is that our world has been damaged by rebellion against God. An originally good creation has been spoiled. If you find this hard to believe, consider the evidence. Look at all the many examples there are of benevolent and intricate design in Nature: the nest-building instincts of birds, the incredibly complex structure of the human brain, the navigational systems of bats and whales, the biological software of DNA in every cell of our bodies, sexual reproduction, etc. All this exists side by side with harmful viruses, disease and death. Can its obvious implications be ignored? Consider, too, the significance of the fact that human beings possess an inner moral code they cannot get rid of yet seem unable to obey. Does all this not suggest some process of deterioration from hopeful beginnings? Is it not also significant that many ancient peoples and cultures, including the Chinese, have some tradition of a lost Paradise in the dim and distant past?
You didn't mention two very important points compared to compact sports sedans: The Stingers rear seats are more spacious and fit reboarder child seats much easier and it has a practical liftback / hatchback. The Stinger is usable as a family car.
@@Mgoblagulkablong The Stinger fits somewhere between the A5 and A7, closer to the 5 than 7. I've never been in a 4 series, but the Stinger has a lot more rear room than the 3 series.
@@arrogen2831 I believe Tony Alfano is trying to say that it’s impressive that a mainstream brand like Kia has made a car that is a legitimate competitor to BMWs and Mercedes
The thing most people don’t realize is that Stingers hold their value EXTREMELY well. I just sold my 2019 RWD Stinger GT2 for $37,669 last week with 14,300 miles on the odometer. I bought a brand new 2021 AWD Stinger GT2 fully loaded for $45,000 the same day. That is just crazy value for that kind of money. They already have Stingers doing the 1/4 mile in 11.16 seconds at 122+ mph with stock turbos and internals. $1,000 worth of parts gets you 4.0 0-60 mph and 12.12 1/4 mile at 116+ mph. That is a whole lot of car for that price.
Blessings Only by acknowledging that there is a God, can we hope to make sense of human existence, the world we inhabit, and, paradoxically, the problem of evil. But if God is goodness personified and therefore, as our Creator, the divine source of all that is good, true and beautiful, why is there so much evil and suffering? What has gone wrong? The Christian answer to that question, the Bible says, is that our world has been damaged by rebellion against God. An originally good creation has been spoiled. If you find this hard to believe, consider the evidence. Look at all the many examples there are of benevolent and intricate design in Nature: the nest-building instincts of birds, the incredibly complex structure of the human brain, the navigational systems of bats and whales, the biological software of DNA in every cell of our bodies, sexual reproduction, etc. All this exists side by side with harmful viruses, disease and death. Can its obvious implications be ignored? Consider, too, the significance of the fact that human beings possess an inner moral code they cannot get rid of yet seem unable to obey. Does all this not suggest some process of deterioration from hopeful beginnings? Is it not also significant that many ancient peoples and cultures, including the Chinese, have some tradition of a lost Paradise in the dim and distant past?
As an owner of a 2018, two things to note. First, You get this for power... and comfort. My modded KIA is well above 500 hp, but if I put the knob to "comfort", it's an absolute comfort ride. Second, unlike the Germans, the Stinger is an absolute sleeper. For example, add a jb4 and you can get a crazy 100hp extra just by swapping the sparks and using good fuel. Add in a Mando controller (it's the brand as the suspension itself) and you get a less bumpy, more comfortable, yet also more aggressive drive. You HAVE to tweak your Stinger it if you get one, or else you're missing out.
I’ve had my 2019 Kia Stinger GT 20th Anniversary Edition for 1.5 years now and have put on over 80,000km. Got it lightly used for only $39k CDN. There are a few random sunroof creaks/rattles that happens from time to time, I have to agree. The ride and handling can be further improved by installing a Mando ECS10 device which adjusts the suspension dampening to 100% capability and as a result, it’s now more comfortable and firmer with the switch of a setting.
Do you still have it? Could you tell me how it holds up? I've got a '22 GT2 bought lightly used (9k miles) and I've got it up to just over 40k miles in a little over a year. Almost all highway miles
@@cloudy_gomo yup, still have it. I’m at 150,000km now and all I’ve done are oil changes, spark plugs, brakes and fluids for transmission and diff. Also did a full 2 step paint correction and ceramic coating on it myself so it basically looks brand new. Lol
yuuup. Congrats. I still love my 2019. Crazy how much the Stinger Community upgrades to newer models on trade in haha. Perhaps the dealer will swing heavy at me with a deal on my next visit haha.
Love my 2020 GT Limited. One other reason you didn’t consider that lead me to purchase was the warranty and likely significantly better reliability than the German options.
@@dalaanibombina8822 this is simply not true. German cars are surely a joy to drive but you’re delusional and uninformed if you think anyone who has an issue is simply failing at maintenance. Google “air oil separator BMW”. I remember taking my E46 in to have this issue repaired, the whole parking lot was filled with BMWs and mini coppers that got towed in with this problem. The reps told me it was like that every winter. BMW was never able to actually fix the problem. There’s a reason there are whole forums devoted to BMW repair and troubleshooting.
Ditto. This obsession over 'tech' is turning into 'everything has to be a screen or it looks outdated'. Sorry, dials work, only certain things need to be a screen and frankly less is more.
I prefer analog bushes. I'm mean really, you're driving.your eyes really should be spending most of the outside the car. Also there is a digital boost gauge you can display. I got the car because it drives like a sedan, but can pull when you need it to.
I sold my 2018 Audi A7 and bought 2022 Kia Stinger GT. This is the best car I've owned by far. The only thing that sucks is the fuel economy. I get about 19 mpg combined.
haha as a 22' GT Elite (GT2) owner I can confidently say you drive with a lead foot! On my daily commute to work I can avg around 28mpg but on the weekends I get about half in sport mode!
I think the main oversight is the warranty in this vs the competition. It has an extremely long warranty - vs short ones in it's German counterparts (that are unreliable and have costly replacement parts) adds so much value.
I did all of the maintenance on my Optima. A couple of things went AFTER the warranty was up, and they still covered it. I also had the engine blow up, but that's another story.
@@moloono1 "I think the main oversight on the warranty is how hard it actually is to get a Kia dealership to honor it." Speak for yourself. I did all of the maintenance on my Optima. The service rep told me if there were any issues and the warranty had just run out, that I should come by anyway. I DID have an issue, and they covered the work. I struggle with the idea that one person knows how an entire company operates. If you've got good data around this I'd be willing to look at it.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg Must be nice to have a dealership that actually cares. My family has been trying to get them to do anything for two vehicles. “I struggle with the idea that one person knows how an entire company operates.” I can say the same about you, buddy.
@@moloono1 "I can say the same about you, buddy." You'll notice that I never made that claim. You did. I simply told MY experience. Something you probably should have done instead of trying to generalize about a multinational corporation based on your personal experience.
and yet mediocre rear seat room. i kinda dont get it but yea Id love one......realistically though I can probably only afford the K5 gt-line in awd......sad.
smaller than a TLX though and yet it has more trunks space...obviously, and even the Stingers back seat is larger. The TLX is massive for little space inside.
@@GoofieNewfie yea thats true they didnt even talk about the added value of the hatch.....another reason why you wouldnt go german.....an s5 or am s7 is waaaaay more expensove and thats the only true competitor to the turbo v6 stinger gt. An Arteon is too slow, so are the a7 and a5. Bmw stopped making the 4 series Gran Coupe.....a Regal GS? Lol no turbo.
I think I would pick the stinger over its competitors (3 series, C class, CT4, etc.) because of the increased rear legroom and hatch opening with a bigger trunk. Both are pretty helpful for kids that need car seats and strollers. If any of the competitors offered wagons in the US, then they would be better options. The A4 doesn't quite compare because of its weight distribution.
@@dalaanibombina8822 Lower price , better warranty and down the line 2-3 time cheaper to fix , when I hear people saying just for a routine maintenance they pay 1000-1500$ every year with german car no thank you.
Just saying, thank you guys so much for creating this Channel and making these videos. Cars are simply a passion Hobby and career of mine all in one. And you guys and your team allow me to giggle like a 5-year-old every time I watch a video. Best regards. ❤😂
I have the previous model and like you, I absolutely love it. I do like the suede interior as it gives it a great sporty look. I had a Cerato GT and the red stitching on the seats really made the interior look great on that car. I have the black Night Sky edition with the light grey seats. Black piping and black GT badging on the seats would have really set it off. I wish they did a similar job on the Stinger. The one thing I would have loved is fog lights on the Stinger and a rear window wiper. That aside, I think the Stinger is the best value for money, bang for bucks car on the road at the moment. Cheers from Sydney
This car in GT1 AWD spec is perfect. Can be found for well under MSRP (at least here in the US) Nothing else compares to what you get for the price. Personally, I'm not bothered by the lack of "tech"....RWD > FWD all day!
@@kyoakland I had done? Like modifications? Zero? As far as repairs, I’ve never done a major or minor repair. I had one ignition coil go bad at 50 K or something like that that’s it and I pull a trailer everywhere with it - not joking. If you look at what’s for sale on things like auto trader inserts by highest mileage first, there’s lots with 120 K plus mile. Mines probably the highest but still there’s some getting up there in our reliable. It’s an amazing car. 187k now…
These are interesting cars, but I can't help but think that many people think it's a revolutionary new type of vehicle with a type of powertrain configuration (Twin-Turbo V6 AWD) that's not really been done before...and they would be incorrect. There was a grossly overlooked/under-appreciated vehicle like this 10 years ago. A vehicle that came with an emblem that stood for Super High Output. 😎
I was a huge fan of the Stinger(almost bought one just over a year ago), and the G70 by extension. Given the option, I would take a Stinger over most any other domestic made car. Offer me the keys to a Stinger or a CT5 and I'd go with the Stinger. Lol I wrote this before I got to the point in the video where you mentioned the Caddy. But I'm not a fan of the side on the new Stinger, and I'm disappointed about the loss of the 4cyl in Canada. I'm not a fan of the digital gauge cluster. It's more complicated, and a symptom of a problem that I find not with cars, but with drivers these days: they say they want a pure driving experience, they cry over wanting manuals... but they don't buy manuals, and they want all the self parking, lane keep assisting, adaptive cruise control that a manufacturer can jam into a car. An analog cluster keeps it simple, and draws the driver to be engaged in the act of actually driving. The Stinger is still a great car, and who knows, I still may end up getting one.
I've had my '22 w/Scorpion package (for you Canadians, the scorpion package was an appearance package with paint, carbon fiber bits, and a rear wing available for the GT2 AWD) for 2.5 years now and have had zero regrets. I did install the ECS-10 right away because the stock suspension tune was way too soft (the Mando suspension controller corrects ALL of the driving dynamics flaws the car in stock form has), but other than that the car was great. Two and a half years later, I've had precisely zero hatch rattle, zero sunroof rattle _except_ on very hot (90F+0/32C+) days, no annoying rattles, creaks, or squeaks have developed, the center console feels sturdy, and zero* problems. All the things brand snobs said would happen as this car ages, hasn't happened, and I do not drive this car gently. * zero problems _except_ I've had to replace the starter battery due to aftermarket accessories (dashcam with parking mode, multiple GPS trackers) but that one problem wasn't a Kia failing but user error. To help reduce deep cycling the replacement battery I installed a 50# solar panel to keep the battery topped up.
I think the reason they haven't upgraded the tech too much is to keep down costs. Not sure how receptive the masses would be to buying a $70k kia despite being fast and loaded with tech and an excellent warranty.
Always entertaining and informative...thx guys! Got my GT line RWD 4 months ago and I live in Reno NV. Continental Viking 7s on and ready for the cold!! Please pray for a wet winter cause we need it!
You guys were already one of my favorite channels and then you referenced my favorite band YES and one of their greatest songs ROUNDABOUT. You guys ROCK!!! 😎
The reason I bought my stinger was the Stinger vs Arteon video. I wanted a sedan with a little more umph then my fiesta ST and the Stinger checked all those boxes quite well
Bang for buck you can’t beat a Kia Stinger for 50K it has all the performance of a Mustang GT, luxury of an Audi S5, practicality of a Volvo SUV and looks of a BMW M4.
Finally! You reviewed the refresh. I've been salivating over a lease on the gt elite. A dealer said 690 cad per month, which sounds too high so imma shop around
These extra throttle house presenters are amazing. Just imagine, if they did a team up with the throttle house presenters to do the best car review ever!
Would be cool if Thomas and James talked about the German big 3's offerings relative to the Stinger in context with longevity and maintenance costs over time. Sure, German's got the newest and most polished tech. But what about just how expensive it is to own over 5+ years?
Just to add some perspective, as an owner the only thing I can complain about is the creaking that Thomas mentions near the end of the video. This car is perfect for me and what I was looking for. I cross-shopped the 4 series gran coupe due to price but I was looking for something more A7 or Panamera in character. There are options in the stinger like cooled seats that I couldn’t get in the bmw. Coming from a 10th gen civic hatch I really liked the lanewatch camera and now I’ve got the same thing on both mirrors now. It’s bonkers quick, fun to drive, quiet (except for the creak) and comfortable, and you can’t beat the practicality of the hatch space. The adaptive cruise and lane keeping is awesome too for highways. It’s not totally killer in gas either, I get between 25-27 mpg on my 70 mph commute and I’ve seen 31 mpg for a trip. The dark chrome against the ascot green is hot and sophisticated imo. Everything in the car is super simple and intuitive to use. If they made the 2.5T with all of the options from the GT2 that’s probably what I would have gotten but I cannot complain with the power and the sound. Very happy with it.
If it's still possible to buy "new" 2018's/19's for around 34k, I think I'd go that route. Not enough updates, especially in interior tech, to warrant full dealer price on a new one.
Yeah my local KIA dealer has about four leftover NEW 2020 Stingers and one 2019 (it's a demo but still being sold as new). I don't even think they have any '21 or '22 models on the lot since nobody is buying what they have. Not bad cars, but over $50k for the GT2 is probably the biggest reason why KIA sells almost none of these things. Too overpriced (for a KIA) for most people I'd bet
Thomas's picky, indecisive, and unsettled personality in this video perfectly showcases the standard Canadian. I ran a beach shop in Florida for years, and we always knew the Canadians by how insanely indecisive they were. An hour to pick out $5 flip flops. They're all that way.
All the controls are on the steering wheel right? yes. But I don't have a joystick... How's that a problem??? Did you like the infotainment in the Telluride? K5? It's the same thing...
Absolutely, it's a GT car - stop telling me about its interior materials and it's touchscreen, take it for a long road trip through some twisties and compare how it handles the drive.
@@BrandoDrum Totally agree with your comment. Also tired of people complaining about a digital instrument panel. I keep looking at the road whilst driving and the instrument panel is fine as it is. The digital display as it stands is fine if I want to see information such as tyre pressure, fuel use etc. I have done a couple of long trips, Sydney - Melbourne, and through some twisty country roads and the drive is sensational. Grips the bends like a limpet and is an effortless drive on highways. A real grand tourer in every sense. I am a bit biased though as I love this car.
I love these things and I’ve been contemplating getting one but I agree with Thomas, the lack of rotary dial/knob to control the infotainment is almost a deal breaker for me especially with how far the screen is. I’ve gotten spoiled with my little Maxima dial with Apple CarPlay setup where my back doesn’t have to come off the seat
@Stig why wouldn’t you? It’s objectively a great car for the money, especially when you compare it with the cars that it competes with. Practical, fun, great warranty etc… It’s probably only stupid to you because you don’t care enough to do any research whatsoever and prefer to buy old used cars cash? cheers 🍻 to your dreadfully boring outlook on cars😁 do us a favor and stay out of these car channels and post your negativity elsewhere
Regarding the infotainment system, in the new Mercedes S class the huge screen has 3 sections: guage cluster, map and functions plus infotainment in the middle and an entertainment screen for the passenger. The system detects your eyes and face and if it catches you looking at the passenger screen too much, it turns the screen off due to distraction and safety issues. The Tesla model S has a landscape screen now too and has rear screens as an option. The Tesla's computer that controls everything is a super computer which will shame Xbox, Sony Playstation and your most powerful home gaming computer.
I bought the 2022 Stinger GT Line with 2.5 engine at the end, AWD out of door 45K USD. Cross shopped with BMW 4 and test drove both Stingers of 3.3 V6 and new 2.5 I4. The 2.5 engine is fast enough and a better balanced car as a daily. The 3.3 is very fast but too fast for me. Part of me doesn't want the BMW stereotype, and KIA has better warranty and likely quality.
I had a Stinger for 2 months before someone totaled it. The abysmal fuel economy and long reach to the screen drove me fully nuts. I was thrilled that it was totaled and promptly replaced it with a Giulia, which I adore.
Stinger fuel economy is good for the power. Just a smallish gas tank. You are losing some family friendly practicality and that long warranty moving to the Alfa. That being said, the Alfa is the most beautiful sedan on the planet and is more tossable. Good taste.👌
I love that they've found a way to end these videos finally. 🤣😂🤣😂
On a cliffhanger, what did the uncle say the world wants to know now.
Lol
Lol
Ikr - I'm like WTH did the uncle say?? Dagnabit youtube, why did you start a commercial....oh....
Blessings
Only by acknowledging that there is a God, can we hope to make sense of human existence, the world we inhabit, and, paradoxically, the problem of evil.
But if God is goodness personified and therefore, as our Creator, the divine source of all that is good, true and beautiful, why is there so much evil and suffering? What has gone wrong? The Christian answer to that question, the Bible says, is that our world has been damaged by rebellion against God. An originally good creation has been spoiled.
If you find this hard to believe, consider the evidence. Look at all the many examples there are of benevolent and intricate design in Nature: the nest-building instincts of birds, the incredibly complex structure of the human brain, the navigational systems of bats and whales, the biological software of DNA in every cell of our bodies, sexual reproduction, etc. All this exists side by side with harmful viruses, disease and death. Can its obvious implications be ignored? Consider, too, the significance of the fact that human beings possess an inner moral code they cannot get rid of yet seem unable to obey. Does all this not suggest some process of deterioration from hopeful beginnings? Is it not also significant that many ancient peoples and cultures, including the Chinese, have some tradition of a lost Paradise in the dim and distant past?
You didn't mention two very important points compared to compact sports sedans: The Stingers rear seats are more spacious and fit reboarder child seats much easier and it has a practical liftback / hatchback. The Stinger is usable as a family car.
A5 sportback/4 series gran coupe are the same
@@AbeYousef stinger is bigger a lot more room in backseat/cargo area then A5/S5 sportback or 440i gran coupe.
@@AbeYousef Not true, they are significantly smaller and have less space for childseats, Stinger is the size of much more expensive A7 / 8-series GC.
@@Mgoblagulkablong The Stinger fits somewhere between the A5 and A7, closer to the 5 than 7. I've never been in a 4 series, but the Stinger has a lot more rear room than the 3 series.
The Stingers backseat is mediocre for a large sedan...which I am play with because it is a hatch and a coupe
The fact that you are immediately comparing it to Audi BMW and Mercedes says something. The brand is a rival for Toyota and Honda
@@arrogen2831 who’s we? I don’t see you in this video.
@@arrogen2831 I believe Tony Alfano is trying to say that it’s impressive that a mainstream brand like Kia has made a car that is a legitimate competitor to BMWs and Mercedes
Nope. Not with this power and features and hatch.
well, it is priced similarly
5:08 The way Thomas checks for cars passing by
Old man neck turn, he's no spring moose...
I totally understand the struggle myself.
The thing most people don’t realize is that Stingers hold their value EXTREMELY well. I just sold my 2019 RWD Stinger GT2 for $37,669 last week with 14,300 miles on the odometer. I bought a brand new 2021 AWD Stinger GT2 fully loaded for $45,000 the same day. That is just crazy value for that kind of money.
They already have Stingers doing the 1/4 mile in 11.16 seconds at 122+ mph with stock turbos and internals. $1,000 worth of parts gets you 4.0 0-60 mph and 12.12 1/4 mile at 116+ mph. That is a whole lot of car for that price.
How cool that James got to do a review with Michael Keaton's Batman.
Hahaha took me a moment
Nice one Ha Ha Ha
Beat me to it.
I think I double tapped over this
What do you mean?
"... you uncle "
WHAT DID HIS UNCLE DO?! YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE US HANGING!
The little sh!# grin on James's face when he was mocking Thomas turning to the left and right just made my day. Thanks for the laugh.
10/10 best ending ever. 9:18 the way James makes fun of Thomas is the best thing I've seen all day
I laughed lol
Thomas’ under his breath comment, ‘the accountants do the research’, is all too true.
The touch buttons on steering wheels and dashes is 100% accountants fault.
Oh no they stopped explaining why this is the extra channel! However will I know why this is a different channel?
Wait I don't understand the channel! They didn't take 2 minutes to explain Extra Throttle House like usual 😂😂
Yeah I'm so confused. What's going on?
Is this Doug Demuro?
Blessings
Only by acknowledging that there is a God, can we hope to make sense of human existence, the world we inhabit, and, paradoxically, the problem of evil.
But if God is goodness personified and therefore, as our Creator, the divine source of all that is good, true and beautiful, why is there so much evil and suffering? What has gone wrong? The Christian answer to that question, the Bible says, is that our world has been damaged by rebellion against God. An originally good creation has been spoiled.
If you find this hard to believe, consider the evidence. Look at all the many examples there are of benevolent and intricate design in Nature: the nest-building instincts of birds, the incredibly complex structure of the human brain, the navigational systems of bats and whales, the biological software of DNA in every cell of our bodies, sexual reproduction, etc. All this exists side by side with harmful viruses, disease and death. Can its obvious implications be ignored? Consider, too, the significance of the fact that human beings possess an inner moral code they cannot get rid of yet seem unable to obey. Does all this not suggest some process of deterioration from hopeful beginnings? Is it not also significant that many ancient peoples and cultures, including the Chinese, have some tradition of a lost Paradise in the dim and distant past?
As an owner of a 2018, two things to note.
First, You get this for power... and comfort. My modded KIA is well above 500 hp, but if I put the knob to "comfort", it's an absolute comfort ride.
Second, unlike the Germans, the Stinger is an absolute sleeper. For example, add a jb4 and you can get a crazy 100hp extra just by swapping the sparks and using good fuel. Add in a Mando controller (it's the brand as the suspension itself) and you get a less bumpy, more comfortable, yet also more aggressive drive.
You HAVE to tweak your Stinger it if you get one, or else you're missing out.
I’ve had my 2019 Kia Stinger GT 20th Anniversary Edition for 1.5 years now and have put on over 80,000km. Got it lightly used for only $39k CDN. There are a few random sunroof creaks/rattles that happens from time to time, I have to agree. The ride and handling can be further improved by installing a Mando ECS10 device which adjusts the suspension dampening to 100% capability and as a result, it’s now more comfortable and firmer with the switch of a setting.
Do you still have it? Could you tell me how it holds up? I've got a '22 GT2 bought lightly used (9k miles) and I've got it up to just over 40k miles in a little over a year. Almost all highway miles
@@cloudy_gomo yup, still have it. I’m at 150,000km now and all I’ve done are oil changes, spark plugs, brakes and fluids for transmission and diff. Also did a full 2 step paint correction and ceramic coating on it myself so it basically looks brand new. Lol
I didn't think i could love this channel any more than i do now. Then Thomas hit it with the Nine Inch Nails reference.
Honestly
Same hahaha
They completely missed the opportunity to say "I wanna feel you from the inside" before checking out the interior, though. smh
Picked up my 2022 GT1 Ascot green, This car is a beast ! Love the fact that people have no idea what it is.
yuuup. Congrats. I still love my 2019. Crazy how much the Stinger Community upgrades to newer models on trade in haha. Perhaps the dealer will swing heavy at me with a deal on my next visit haha.
An extra throttle house review of the car I'm considering and it comes out on my birthday! My year is off to a great start
Thomas and James, the new Olympic synchronized neck turning Canadian team
The new KIA logo made me hit the like button immediately 🥵
Love my 2020 GT Limited. One other reason you didn’t consider that lead me to purchase was the warranty and likely significantly better reliability than the German options.
@Yirlani what year?? Man, you have driven the hell out of that thing. 60k already?!
A car is only as reliable as its owner. Stop acting like German cars break down as soon as they leave the lot.
@@dalaanibombina8822 But they do
@@dalaanibombina8822 this is simply not true. German cars are surely a joy to drive but you’re delusional and uninformed if you think anyone who has an issue is simply failing at maintenance. Google “air oil separator BMW”. I remember taking my E46 in to have this issue repaired, the whole parking lot was filled with BMWs and mini coppers that got towed in with this problem. The reps told me it was like that every winter. BMW was never able to actually fix the problem. There’s a reason there are whole forums devoted to BMW repair and troubleshooting.
@@dalaanibombina8822 yes, they do!
That's why JD Power stats show the true picture.
Personally, I'm glad Kia didn't implement a digital display for the RPM and Speed gauges. I like the more traditional look.
Ditto. This obsession over 'tech' is turning into 'everything has to be a screen or it looks outdated'. Sorry, dials work, only certain things need to be a screen and frankly less is more.
@Clark Kyle Fair point lol
exactly!! the analog gauges are my personal preference, i really don't understand the appeal of having digital gauges
I prefer analog bushes. I'm mean really, you're driving.your eyes really should be spending most of the outside the car. Also there is a digital boost gauge you can display. I got the car because it drives like a sedan, but can pull when you need it to.
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I sold my 2018 Audi A7 and bought 2022 Kia Stinger GT.
This is the best car I've owned by far. The only thing that sucks is the fuel economy. I get about 19 mpg combined.
Lol that's terrible
haha as a 22' GT Elite (GT2) owner I can confidently say you drive with a lead foot! On my daily commute to work I can avg around 28mpg but on the weekends I get about half in sport mode!
I think the main oversight is the warranty in this vs the competition. It has an extremely long warranty - vs short ones in it's German counterparts (that are unreliable and have costly replacement parts) adds so much value.
I did all of the maintenance on my Optima. A couple of things went AFTER the warranty was up, and they still covered it. I also had the engine blow up, but that's another story.
I think the main oversight on the warranty is how hard it actually is to get a Kia dealership to honor it.
@@moloono1
"I think the main oversight on the warranty is how hard it actually is to get a Kia dealership to honor it."
Speak for yourself. I did all of the maintenance on my Optima. The service rep told me if there were any issues and the warranty had just run out, that I should come by anyway. I DID have an issue, and they covered the work.
I struggle with the idea that one person knows how an entire company operates. If you've got good data around this I'd be willing to look at it.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg Must be nice to have a dealership that actually cares. My family has been trying to get them to do anything for two vehicles.
“I struggle with the idea that one person knows how an entire company operates.” I can say the same about you, buddy.
@@moloono1
"I can say the same about you, buddy."
You'll notice that I never made that claim. You did. I simply told MY experience. Something you probably should have done instead of trying to generalize about a multinational corporation based on your personal experience.
“You need not be ashamed for owning a Kia anymore.” 😂
Correction "kieerrrr" or whatever James actually says with his Accent :)
@@23Piccolina if I remember correctly Ford did do a slight revision of their emblem a long time ago.
@@23Piccolina Toyota changed theirs awhile back, I think it's a smart move for KIA. They're making changes, showing the market that they're evolving.
The new badge is way too big
Just bought a 2019 20th anniversary edition and I couldn't be happier with it!
Presumably used? How many km and price I’d you don’t mind.
@@MisterMister5893 yep it has 29,000 km and I paid 39k
@@dylandavies3634 that’s too much. I can guarantee you the person who traded it in got less than $30k. You shouldn’t have paid that much.
@@MisterMister5893 lol thanks for the advise chief, I'll keep that in mind for next time
@@MisterMister5893 the worst comment ever , was it suppose to make him feel better ? Thanks for nothing lol
I saw a Stinger in the wild a few days ago, it’s frickin’ HUGE
Yeah it's basically a smaller G80. Big boy
and yet mediocre rear seat room. i kinda dont get it but yea Id love one......realistically though I can probably only afford the K5 gt-line in awd......sad.
smaller than a TLX though and yet it has more trunks space...obviously, and even the Stingers back seat is larger. The TLX is massive for little space inside.
@@GoofieNewfie
yea thats true they didnt even talk about the added value of the hatch.....another reason why you wouldnt go german.....an s5 or am s7 is waaaaay more expensove and thats the only true competitor to the turbo v6 stinger gt. An Arteon is too slow, so are the a7 and a5. Bmw stopped making the 4 series Gran Coupe.....a Regal GS? Lol no turbo.
@@Sahidable same size as the g70
The way these extra videos end is just too good lmao
I think I would pick the stinger over its competitors (3 series, C class, CT4, etc.) because of the increased rear legroom and hatch opening with a bigger trunk. Both are pretty helpful for kids that need car seats and strollers. If any of the competitors offered wagons in the US, then they would be better options. The A4 doesn't quite compare because of its weight distribution.
I would take one of these over any of the equivalent German cars. Mainly due to lower price plus the 10 year/100k mile warranty
Exactly
That’s the only advantage. Otherwise you’d be a fool to pick this over a German.
German cars are for status statements; problem is, more people without any status have them.
@@dalaanibombina8822
Lower price , better warranty and down the line 2-3 time cheaper to fix , when I hear people saying just for a routine maintenance they pay 1000-1500$ every year with german car no thank you.
That’s not a drive train warranty. Engine gearbox and transmission only 5 years, don’t be fooled
"Billy Joel owned my streets, WITH AN IRON FIST" LOL
The suede interior and the red trimmings with the red seat belts is fantastic. Wish we had that in Australia
Just saying, thank you guys so much for creating this Channel and making these videos. Cars are simply a passion Hobby and career of mine all in one. And you guys and your team allow me to giggle like a 5-year-old every time I watch a video.
Best regards.
❤😂
That new badge looks like "КИ" which would be "KI" in Russian alphabet.
Should have changed it to Ky.
@Stig What
Damn the suede dash and seats look awesome. Way better than the standard GT2.
I bought one of these (RWD) a couple of months ago and love it. It’s the MY21 here in Australia. However thankfully no suede interior.
I have the previous model and like you, I absolutely love it. I do like the suede interior as it gives it a great sporty look. I had a Cerato GT and the red stitching on the seats really made the interior look great on that car. I have the black Night Sky edition with the light grey seats. Black piping and black GT badging on the seats would have really set it off. I wish they did a similar job on the Stinger. The one thing I would have loved is fog lights on the Stinger and a rear window wiper.
That aside, I think the Stinger is the best value for money, bang for bucks car on the road at the moment.
Cheers from Sydney
This car in GT1 AWD spec is perfect. Can be found for well under MSRP (at least here in the US) Nothing else compares to what you get for the price. Personally, I'm not bothered by the lack of "tech"....RWD > FWD all day!
If you find one for msrp now you’re lucky and there are almost no 3.3t left
@@sebastianromero420 fuck man I was even thinking about this thing but nah not until this overpriced bullshit is fixed
I swear as soon as I’ve heard James talk about families I knew where this was heading
184k on my 2019 GT1, and it’s going strong. Amazing car.
That gives me hope I have a 2019 GT2 with 57k on it what work have you had done if you don't mind me asking? I've never seen one with that many miles
@@kyoakland I had done? Like modifications? Zero? As far as repairs, I’ve never done a major or minor repair. I had one ignition coil go bad at 50 K or something like that that’s it and I pull a trailer everywhere with it - not joking.
If you look at what’s for sale on things like auto trader inserts by highest mileage first, there’s lots with 120 K plus mile. Mines probably the highest but still there’s some getting up there in our reliable. It’s an amazing car.
187k now…
I have an AWD 2019 GT1. Love the car, but the brakes are horrendous. I hope they have address the soft pad problem.
These are interesting cars, but I can't help but think that many people think it's a revolutionary new type of vehicle with a type of powertrain configuration (Twin-Turbo V6 AWD) that's not really been done before...and they would be incorrect. There was a grossly overlooked/under-appreciated vehicle like this 10 years ago. A vehicle that came with an emblem that stood for Super High Output. 😎
I was a huge fan of the Stinger(almost bought one just over a year ago), and the G70 by extension. Given the option, I would take a Stinger over most any other domestic made car. Offer me the keys to a Stinger or a CT5 and I'd go with the Stinger. Lol I wrote this before I got to the point in the video where you mentioned the Caddy.
But I'm not a fan of the side on the new Stinger, and I'm disappointed about the loss of the 4cyl in Canada.
I'm not a fan of the digital gauge cluster. It's more complicated, and a symptom of a problem that I find not with cars, but with drivers these days: they say they want a pure driving experience, they cry over wanting manuals... but they don't buy manuals, and they want all the self parking, lane keep assisting, adaptive cruise control that a manufacturer can jam into a car. An analog cluster keeps it simple, and draws the driver to be engaged in the act of actually driving.
The Stinger is still a great car, and who knows, I still may end up getting one.
I've had my '22 w/Scorpion package (for you Canadians, the scorpion package was an appearance package with paint, carbon fiber bits, and a rear wing available for the GT2 AWD) for 2.5 years now and have had zero regrets. I did install the ECS-10 right away because the stock suspension tune was way too soft (the Mando suspension controller corrects ALL of the driving dynamics flaws the car in stock form has), but other than that the car was great.
Two and a half years later, I've had precisely zero hatch rattle, zero sunroof rattle _except_ on very hot (90F+0/32C+) days, no annoying rattles, creaks, or squeaks have developed, the center console feels sturdy, and zero* problems. All the things brand snobs said would happen as this car ages, hasn't happened, and I do not drive this car gently.
* zero problems _except_ I've had to replace the starter battery due to aftermarket accessories (dashcam with parking mode, multiple GPS trackers) but that one problem wasn't a Kia failing but user error. To help reduce deep cycling the replacement battery I installed a 50# solar panel to keep the battery topped up.
I think the reason they haven't upgraded the tech too much is to keep down costs. Not sure how receptive the masses would be to buying a $70k kia despite being fast and loaded with tech and an excellent warranty.
Love what Throttle House does. Only car review channel I watch. Keep it up!
Fantastic car. Great review guys, love your channel. Fun & informative 👌
Always entertaining and informative...thx guys! Got my GT line RWD 4 months ago and I live in Reno NV. Continental Viking 7s on and ready for the cold!! Please pray for a wet winter cause we need it!
Stinger is a really fun car...coworker has a m3 ....we all like the stinger more
@Clark Kyle just say you’re broke and move on
@Clark Kyle Now that’s a stupid ass car
@Clark Kyle i dont own a kia nor do i want to but i do know they shit on any sti engine, enjoy your blown head gasket 😂
@Clark Kyle of course you disagree you own an sti
I really like the kia stinger gt. Almost bought one BUT for similar money I bought a bmw 340i instead and don't regret my decision
5:00 I'm happy it has an analog gauge cluster, not a fan of over digitalized gouges. I like my needle
Mate. I look at my phone enough. I don't need to have a screen for my guages. It's different. That's why I got it
Fr I just got the 18 Stinger GT and I can’t believe people are that entitled to complain about screen on the gauges.
Ordered mine! Upgrading from a GLI
You guys were already one of my favorite channels and then you referenced my favorite band YES and one of their greatest songs ROUNDABOUT. You guys ROCK!!! 😎
Just going to leave us on a cliffhanger hanger with the uncle's story 😂😂
Love the NIN reference!! Made me realize how long it’s been that I haven’t listened to Trent, or revisited my youth, haha!
Just program the star button to turn on CarPlay/Android Auto, it's a closer reach.
The reason I bought my stinger was the Stinger vs Arteon video. I wanted a sedan with a little more umph then my fiesta ST and the Stinger checked all those boxes quite well
Bang for buck you can’t beat a Kia Stinger for 50K it has all the performance of a Mustang GT, luxury of an Audi S5, practicality of a Volvo SUV and looks of a BMW M4.
These cuts at the very end are hilarious. Keep em going. :)
Yesss ! Extra TH woooo. let’s play a little game called just the tips...
Finally! You reviewed the refresh. I've been salivating over a lease on the gt elite. A dealer said 690 cad per month, which sounds too high so imma shop around
I request for a throttle house podcast. Just drive and talk for 30 mins.
Absolutely!!!
Clicked for the Stinger, stayed for the humor. Gotta say, this channel has got the dry British-style humor down pat, and it's damn fun to watch
editing is underrated lol
I've just noticed, James is always smiling even when he is disappointed... ahh it must be good to be the king.
I love that gauge cluster
James mocking Thomas was comedy gold and had me lol which I don't do often.
Well done gents.
At 7:12 the YES ROUNDABOUT comment was legendary. How many of you caught that? The the attempt to sing the song, you guys rule!
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These extra throttle house presenters are amazing. Just imagine, if they did a team up with the throttle house presenters to do the best car review ever!
Would be cool if Thomas and James talked about the German big 3's offerings relative to the Stinger in context with longevity and maintenance costs over time. Sure, German's got the newest and most polished tech. But what about just how expensive it is to own over 5+ years?
Could do but neither the stinger nor the new gen Germans have been out five years yet!
@@ExtraThrottleHouse Good point! Also, holy shit, a reply!
Just to add some perspective, as an owner the only thing I can complain about is the creaking that Thomas mentions near the end of the video. This car is perfect for me and what I was looking for. I cross-shopped the 4 series gran coupe due to price but I was looking for something more A7 or Panamera in character. There are options in the stinger like cooled seats that I couldn’t get in the bmw. Coming from a 10th gen civic hatch I really liked the lanewatch camera and now I’ve got the same thing on both mirrors now. It’s bonkers quick, fun to drive, quiet (except for the creak) and comfortable, and you can’t beat the practicality of the hatch space. The adaptive cruise and lane keeping is awesome too for highways. It’s not totally killer in gas either, I get between 25-27 mpg on my 70 mph commute and I’ve seen 31 mpg for a trip. The dark chrome against the ascot green is hot and sophisticated imo. Everything in the car is super simple and intuitive to use. If they made the 2.5T with all of the options from the GT2 that’s probably what I would have gotten but I cannot complain with the power and the sound. Very happy with it.
I would like to see the Kia Stinger GT go up against a Acura TLX type S
Tlx s got stung
James was killing me when he was mimicking Tom's neck movements 🤣
If it's still possible to buy "new" 2018's/19's for around 34k, I think I'd go that route. Not enough updates, especially in interior tech, to warrant full dealer price on a new one.
Yeah my local KIA dealer has about four leftover NEW 2020 Stingers and one 2019 (it's a demo but still being sold as new). I don't even think they have any '21 or '22 models on the lot since nobody is buying what they have. Not bad cars, but over $50k for the GT2 is probably the biggest reason why KIA sells almost none of these things. Too overpriced (for a KIA) for most people I'd bet
thats what im doing
I disagree actually. The bigger screen might seem like not a big deal but it looks wayyyyyyyy better and the functionality is excellent
I think I like this channel just as much as the main, it’s awesome!
Thomas's picky, indecisive, and unsettled personality in this video perfectly showcases the standard Canadian. I ran a beach shop in Florida for years, and we always knew the Canadians by how insanely indecisive they were. An hour to pick out $5 flip flops. They're all that way.
that was a very strong and thought out end of a video... I really appreciate how you were able to
@9:04 the way Thomas says "Probably" sounds like he's been hanging with James for too long
LOVE your extra video endings.
I really hope Thomas brings this shade for the Lexus IS300 review.
IS500 hopefully
All the controls are on the steering wheel right? yes. But I don't have a joystick... How's that a problem??? Did you like the infotainment in the Telluride? K5? It's the same thing...
Can’t wait to swap my K5 for one of these bad boys.
am I the only one who likes the extra reviews better?
😆they are as humorous as they are informative 👍👏.
Looking at this or a ‘21 Veloster N. I know they are different cars but both intriguing in their own way. Don’t think I can go wrong 🤷🏼♂️
More Stinger content!
Absolutely, it's a GT car - stop telling me about its interior materials and it's touchscreen, take it for a long road trip through some twisties and compare how it handles the drive.
@@BrandoDrum Totally agree with your comment. Also tired of people complaining about a digital instrument panel. I keep looking at the road whilst driving and the instrument panel is fine as it is. The digital display as it stands is fine if I want to see information such as tyre pressure, fuel use etc.
I have done a couple of long trips, Sydney - Melbourne, and through some twisty country roads and the drive is sensational. Grips the bends like a limpet and is an effortless drive on highways. A real grand tourer in every sense. I am a bit biased though as I love this car.
I have a 2018 Stinger GT, that creaking you mentioned is an issue on mine as well, drives me crazy some days
"yes even wrote a song about it, it's called roundabout"
something something jojo ゴゴゴゴ something
I love James.. he is cool.. but imma Thomas fan. Love hearing what he thinks tho. He will point stuff out that a consumer might have issue with👍🏾
I love these things and I’ve been contemplating getting one but I agree with Thomas, the lack of rotary dial/knob to control the infotainment is almost a deal breaker for me especially with how far the screen is. I’ve gotten spoiled with my little Maxima dial with Apple CarPlay setup where my back doesn’t have to come off the seat
@Stig why wouldn’t you? It’s objectively a great car for the money, especially when you compare it with the cars that it competes with. Practical, fun, great warranty etc… It’s probably only stupid to you because you don’t care enough to do any research whatsoever and prefer to buy old used cars cash? cheers 🍻 to your dreadfully boring outlook on cars😁 do us a favor and stay out of these car channels and post your negativity elsewhere
How many bots do they pay to come to comments? I think you’ve got a great car!
daddy and son hanging out together while daddy taught his son bout car.....hehe love u guys so much.
Thomas is so distinguishedly handsome, it's insane.
I really enjoy watching these fellas
yay kia stinger
Regarding the infotainment system, in the new Mercedes S class the huge screen has 3 sections: guage cluster, map and functions plus infotainment in the middle and an entertainment screen for the passenger. The system detects your eyes and face and if it catches you looking at the passenger screen too much, it turns the screen off due to distraction and safety issues. The Tesla model S has a landscape screen now too and has rear screens as an option. The Tesla's computer that controls everything is a super computer which will shame Xbox, Sony Playstation and your most powerful home gaming computer.
12:08 YOUR UNCLE WHAT? YOU DIDNT FINISH????
I bought the 2022 Stinger GT Line with 2.5 engine at the end, AWD out of door 45K USD.
Cross shopped with BMW 4 and test drove both Stingers of 3.3 V6 and new 2.5 I4.
The 2.5 engine is fast enough and a better balanced car as a daily. The 3.3 is very fast but too fast for me.
Part of me doesn't want the BMW stereotype, and KIA has better warranty and likely quality.
I had a Stinger for 2 months before someone totaled it. The abysmal fuel economy and long reach to the screen drove me fully nuts. I was thrilled that it was totaled and promptly replaced it with a Giulia, which I adore.
Stinger fuel economy is good for the power. Just a smallish gas tank. You are losing some family friendly practicality and that long warranty moving to the Alfa. That being said, the Alfa is the most beautiful sedan on the planet and is more tossable. Good taste.👌
Silver lining lol
"Billy Joel patrolled my streets" SOBBING
I respect it and I'm glad it exist but I will never own a kia.
Didnt notice Thomas's neck issue until James hilariously pointed it out. 🤣