Problem with self propel wheels on Honda lawnmower 216 from factory!
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Odd problem with self propel wheels on Honda lawnmower 216
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I bought this Honda a year ago brand new , (and I un-boxed it ) wheels were already installed! The wheels would lock up from day one, drove me nuts! And sure enough the keys were installed up side down from the factory! I reversed the keys flat side up ,and it works perfectly, no dragging when pulling backwards! Thanks!
you're welcome and thanks for the comment I appreciate it.
I had to replace a dust seal on the axle. I reinstalled the key upside down. Been working on this trusty Honda for a week and I was befuddled what was wrong and I was just about ready to buy a new transmission.
So glad I clicked on your video! You just saved me A LOT of money! Thanks!
Nice work and thank you for watching
Thanks for the video - very well documented. Solved a problem I created for myself on reassembly.
Thank you John Smith and you're welcome.
With your help I think even I, 72 year old woman, can do this. Thanks, I love my Honda too.
Thank you Linda F for the comment. It makes me very happy to hear that.
I have a Honda mower with the exact same wheel/ axle set-up and one of the wheels is slipping while the other works fine. After watching this video I think I know exactly what my problem is. Thanks
Fred Roessel thank you for watching and commenting.
Very bizarre! Excellent tutorial! One of my favorite mowers as well.
Thank you!
Why couldn't Honda Power Equip provide this solution. I've worked on this problem on my Honda Mower for 2 years, and this is the 1st time I've heard this. I simply didn't think of it. Thank you for this video, I'm going to apply this to my Honda mower now.
You are welcome and thanks for the watch and the comment.
Thank you for a great informational video.
I really appreciate it. 👍👍👍
My mower as well 😁
I’ve started to have a little clunk from the left wheel as I draw the mower back on a full rotation so I’m going to service the part as you describe here.
Top video. 👏👏👏👏
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Home Garage 👍👍. 🤜🤛
Love those Honda mowers, strange how the key was upside down on both sides, good catch!
+Alan Marshall Thanks I appreciate that.
Somebody goofed on both 'keys' and it may have been at a factory or in a local shop. It's pretty obvious it was backwards and the gearing was not right at all. any mechanic would see a diagram and the error fast...
Thanks for this! I was afraid to take the rear wheels off thinking there was something I would ruin if I did!
Glad I could help!
@@HomeGaragechannel did your wheels and bearings slid right off the shafts? Mine seem to be stuck unless I'm missing something,but didn't see it addressed. Any tips
Thanks! 😁
everything slid off, without any problems.
Never knew there was a right and wrong way on those but I do now. I oiled everything up on the electric start and it was all working as good as it needed to be for who owned it. I'd like the hydro if the parts weren't so high but hopefully you won't need them! BLESSINGS!
agreed!
Thank you. Easily solved my problem.
Awesome ,thank you for the comment I appreciate it
Thanks! Very well done video.
Thank you David Muckensturm for the comment I appreciate it
Thank you so much for showing how the key is inserted in the drive wheel. That made all the difference!
no problem Peter Bailey
Best video....think u solved my problem
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
If I had to figure that out by my self I would still be tearing my hair out. Thanks guys.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Me too I would had never figured that out
Class as always 👍
Thanks
Wow.. I will never know this. Will give it a try. Thanks. Just subscribed as well..
Thank you Dennis Kuk for the comment and the subscription I appreciate it
I worked on one last May with that problem. Not only that, but the two springs had rusted and broken.
Wow that was pretty bad. Glad you got it working
Thanks ,good advice
Thank you Tanh Tran. I appreciate the comment.
good repair. thank you.
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
I have a Honda hrc216, the drive system is similar to this one here, today I was work g ona yard and it all the sudden locked up when I turned left, if I engage the drive it will turn left again, bit every other left turn results in the differential locking
Thank you for the comment. I'm just guessing here but if the wheels turn normally with the self propel off and locks up when on then I'm going with transmission.
Thank You!
You're welcome.
I like those 80V Greenworks 21" electric mowers.
Rakesh Hubert thank you. I haven't had the pleasure of trying one out yet.
Still like it?
@@scottfirman I don't like anything from china now!
I didn't find the key upside down as you have. However I have found that Honda issued a recall due to the bushings on the rear axle are either too tight or just a plain bad design. The axle is plain steel and somehow it rusts and expands inside the plastic bearing/bushing housing on the height adjustment. Am going to contact a Honda dealer and see if replacement bushings/bearings are available. Hopefully I will post an update on what I find out.
Thank you David Muckensturm for the comment
I have replaced 3 sets of axle supports as they are called this summer. Now my own mower is doing it. Way to go Honda. I got one a week ago for $20, same issue. The guy didn't even want to touch it. Plus he broke the rope started. Got mad at it and sold it to me with a Toro Personal Pace electric start mower for $30. That needs a bit of TLC as well.
I put screws (I think 1/2") with hex heads into my rear wheels for more grip, I think you need at least 100 or maybe more, them tires wear down so fast, saves money buying rear wheels.
Now that sounds like an idea ! Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Well done
Thank you Tyson Judd and thank you.
Thanks saved me a couple of $$ thanks
No problem
Thanks for the video, what kind of snap ring pliers are those? I am having a hard time finding some that will fit in the small holes of the snap rings from this mower. The small ones I found break when trying to remove the rings. Thanks.
they're old, I think it might be over 15 years. don't remember the brand.
that is what i want to know how did the pin get up side down
Thank you Jerry Hiatte for the comment. Im not sure how they got put in upside down. I do know the person who bought it from the store said it had the wheels on it when he opened the box and he never touched the wheels since. It was never serviced either so no one else did it either.
Still having issues with mine, after trying multiple fixes from this and other vids. The Hondas are top rated and the best I've used when they work, but why are there 30 vids of wheel/trans probs on these mowers?? Best fix might be buy the extended warranty, which I did with another mower, but I ended up giving it to my neighbor b/c it was always in the shop! Repair was free but it was always having problems! Ended up getting an EGO electric with a great trans but doesn't cut strong like the double-blade Honda.
Thank you for very much for your time. Sorry to hear it didn't work out. I love Honda's but even they can become difficult to repair and needs a replacement. I'm glad you went electric and yes they have their downsides. Stay on top of the battery care they are quite expensive to replace.
I have that same mower and was wondering if you have or have had a problem I have: 1. The deck height adjustment (particularly one of the rear wheels) pops out and drops to a lower level if you look at it wrong. Sometimes this happens without me noticing until I have cut a very uneven row. 2. I just noticed the wear on your two rear wheels are just like mine, very uneven, caused by bad toe and camber (Toe-In or Negative Camber) as if the weight of the engine is too great for the axle. I wonder if both of these problems stem from the flexible composite deck. It seems to be lacking enough rigidity. Your thoughts?
no i don't have a problem with the rear adjustors at all. The wear is uneven in the front but I'm not concerned with it
I have the same problem, the wheels are locked in drive. I will certainly carry out this repair. What I don't understand is how the key in the shaft was upside down.
it was due to somebody else, not the factory, it would not make it out of the factory like that
I have a Honda hydrostatic that is only driving the left side wheel. Do you have a video showing a fix for that?
Unfortunately no but have tried taking the wheel off to see if there are any problems?
? is the pinion gear installed so that it clicks when turned the same direction?
The pinion gear is installed so it clicks when turned counterclockwise. It should lock when turning it to the right.
Thanks
You're welcome.
Will I damage the mower if I push it without engaging the self-propel system while mowing? Thanks
Depending on the mower and the self propel system, when not in use it will just be harder to push but you shouldn't damage it unless it was already damaged to begin with.
Nice!
Thanks for the comment and the watch.
How did the key turn "upside down? It must be repaired by inexperience technician before? My mower can roll back when I check the Smart Drive.
It was never repaired for anything up till this point. Its been like this since it was bought new.
What are those pliers you used to remove the snap ring?
they're just called snap ring pliers. they have different ends on them that you can change out.
It looks like the tires are bald so out of the factory defect? How long have you had it with the issue? I had a honda Hrr21hva and it had lots os resistance when pulling it back even after taking it for warranty repair. It came back almost the same. After 6 months its acting up again. Hell with Honda
When I said out of the box, I meant it has always been like this, since out of the box. the mower is several years old.
That mower looks like it's been thru a demolition derby, blaming the Factory is highly questionable.
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
lol demolition derby
Mine is only 2 years old, and I take really good care of it...happened to it as well. Other people have had this issue as well even only after a few months of use. This is a common problem with this mower.
@@danielday8828 yes it seems to be
@@danielday8828 That's what you get when buying a lawnmower at a Big Box Store or online instead of the Dealer
I have a problem with the gear on the left side I replaced twice but after use it even lawns not finished yet. The wheels shaking and I opened the wheels saw the gear won out half way. Could you please help me to solve this problem. Thank you very for your help.
I would confirm that the channel for the snap ring was still good. It sounds like the ring isn't staying in place. Order a new snap ring and replace it.
@@HomeGaragechannel Thank you for your helping Sir. I will try to replace it if it can fix the issue. Thank you for your reply my asking.
Sorry fella but thats an older mower. Those wheels are worn something bad. Some one got in there and screwed with it, thats the problem. Mine was the walking speed. The manual doesnt even cover it. Turns out its just a matter of adjusting the cable. Makes sence.
Thanks for the comment. Yes it's not new however its had this problem new out of the box. They just figured it was supposed to be like that.
Home Garage I probably never head that, as did 99% of everyone else. I swear some times. Us Kids. I blame my medications now. Lol. Someone at the place it was set up missed that. As a dealer, that stuff is checked before it goes out the door. I used to work at a shop so I have witnessed a lot of stupidity. These big box stores sell crap now days. 99% of it is cheap MTD with someone elses label plastered on it. Unless you buy from a dealer and its professional grade, its junk. I know all this. I am good friends with many local small engine dealers and shops in my area. I had Cancer and had to close my shop. I still work on stuff, but its pick and choose now. Usually just friends and only enough to pay for my hobby.
The stress of owning a shop was bad enough, but to deal with the out right garbage they pawn off on the public now is pathetic. It keeps me busy so I shouldnt bitch, but come on! Prices for this trash just amazes me too. Parts have increased over the last year or two also. People stop getting them fixed and scrap them. I have a yard full of that shit too.
RC Hobbyist Extreme thanks again for your comment. It's not common more likely just a mistake at the factory. We're just people.
how do you replace the wheel ajusters
I acquired a Husqvarna/ Honda rear propelled mower and I think it's sit outside most of its 10 of its life . Cleaned the carburetor out -it was messed up and plugged up-engines runs perfect now . Question after I took everything apart on the rear propelled and wire brushed it and lightly sanded the rust away and oiled it up - works fine but will not roll backwards . I want to sell it come spring of next year and I want it fixed right . Any help would be appreciated !
You might have accidentally turned the drive gear around. Is it only only or both wheels thats a problem?
It may be the bushings in the axle supports . They are located at the height adjustment on the frame where the axle goes through. If you put everything back right and it still locks up, plan on replacing them. I have done 3 this summer and now have Another, plus my own. Sanding the rust off the axle is not enough. They will still bind up.
@@scottfirman thank you for the comment I appreciate it
@@HomeGaragechannel Did you fix it?
@@scottfirman I did fix it thank you.
Funny you say the key was upside down cuz i had the same problem. I put the flat side down and now it works great. I tried it the flat side up and it wouldn’t roll backwards.
Hey thanks for the comment
Assembled in Swepsonville, North Carolina, LOL
Wow good moter
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it.
I wonder if at the factory they did this to a small batch of lawn mowers. Probably was a TSB as well for for Small engine dealers.
I believe you are right.
whats the name of the tool @2.16 for the clips?
Thanks for the comment. They are Snap ring pliers.
Nah somebody messed with it. Your mower has been heavily used and we can tell by the wear on your back and front wheels. Someone had an issue with the wheels before and took it apart and put it in backwards. I can't imagine that you would have suffered with that problem from the factory after all these years. At the Honda plant you know that installing that key properly would be a very big thing and as its being put together someone would have caught that and corrected it as it rolled down the assembly line.
Thanks for commenting
I can’t get my back wheels to go lower What could be the problem
Where the height adjusters pivot need some wd40. Spray it down and work it back and forth.
If my wheels were working before they locked, how did the keys in the wheels turn upside down?
define how they are working? On this mower, you can push It forward, and the self drive works, but there no "clicking" noises, which it's supposed to do, when pushing the mower forward, without the drive on.
What's the retail value on this ? My wheels turn on there own when I start it up no matter what I do untill I turn it off?? Found it on the curb and that's the only problem besides worn rubber on wheels
It depends on the person but I would value this at about $200. I've never encountered that problem before but its definitely the reason they put it on the curb.
If yours is the non-hydro model, People blame the dry axle bushings, but it more likely the clutch release lever on the transmission needs to be freed up, clutch cable hanging up, or return spring bad, or combination of all three. I just took mine apart, gave it a new cable and spring, got some light lube under the clutch lever and worked it back and forth till the clutch spring returned the lever with authority. Snap ring pliers, light grease, and 20 bucks of parts should cure it
Thanks for the information I appreciate it
@@HomeGaragechannel Needs cable adjustment.
Why would the keys be upside down in the first place? That's nuts!
simple manufacturing error
It begs the question, how did this happen in the first place? If a common problem (this is likely the problem I'm having) why not a recall? How does a part get installed improperly at the factory? That lawn mower obviously has some miles on it, did you install them upside down? Thanks for any help, I'll give it a try
Nope I didn't install them upside down and as for the rest of your questions, I could not possibly answer them.
What if you just remove that gear , what happens ?
You can then easily push mow with it
How did the pins get upside down?
I'm pretty sure they were put in wrong at the factory as the mower has always been this way since new and has never been serviced till now.
Honda has an assembly plant in Australia.
If one looks at the globe, it can be seen that Australia is actually up-side-down.
Hence, pins that were installed correctly in the Australian plant ... will not function properly in the Northern Hemisphere.
CLEARLY... someone who previously serviced the drive system put the key back in upside down. NO WAY possible from factory...! He also failed to clean and relube the assembly.
@@richardlane8563 mine has the same issue an I dont believe it was always like this. I'll be checking today so I'll let you know. I bought it new 2-3 years ago.
The pull cord is in the wrong position, it should be rotated counterclockwise
It is still a bit stiff to pull backwards though, and as you can see when he spins the wheel backwards, it is stiffer than forwards. Is that unavoidable?
when rolling this mower backwards, it engages the transmission, it's unavoidable
Hone Garage, you had it since new and those "Keys" (1:37) were never touched?
The key is clearly installed wrong direction.
This wasn't my mower it's one of my friends. He bought it new and took it out of the box with the wheels already on it couple of years ago.
@@HomeGaragechannel So Honda still doesn't good Q.C." That's a big mistake that can ruin a company.
Beside that, they are built with many cheap parts that break down.
Just like all Japanese vehicles now copied Chrysler's secrets.
Limited the UV clear coat or not have UV on at all.
Less than 6 years, the orange peel.
Remember BMW's The Ultimate Driving Machine.
Over 30 years have gone by and they can't find an answer on how to fix emblem falling off.
Thank you for the comment. Yes things have changed in the last few decades.
Maybe the keys get worn down?
@@armydlguy Look at it again (1:37).
Someone clearly installed the key 180 degrees off.
If you are still lost, trying pressing the KEY down, then you know I am correct.
Why is it called "Hydrostatic"?
It's like an automatic transmission in a car. Fluid pressure is used to dive the wheels versus gears. Probably less wear. Thanks for commenting.
hey how is the new Honda with the plastic mower deck it's a walk behind mower
The plastic deck is nice but there is usually a compromise. There are 4 mounting holes for the engine and some of the mounts Crack from vibration eventually. Makes me want to go back to the metal decks really.
so should I buy a Toro personal pace are those durable machines?
Ed James if you are going to use it commercially i would say the toro. That's just my opinion though.
I'm gonna get a Toro personal pace they cut very well
Ed James good choice! good luck.
Great video! I have a Honda HRR2164 3 speed stuck in the fastest speed! Any ideas...Please!
Thank you Chucksturf for your comment. When you move the speed lever can you feel any resistance? If you dont then the cable is broken. If you feel resistance then there might be a problem at the gearbox either internally or where the cable attaches to the lever on the box. Let me know.
The shift lever is stuck in the 3rd (high speed) position and won't move.
I think theres a problem inside the gearbox. Maybe a jam.
Real easy if you run out and buy the clip spreader
you are absolutely correct about that.
How they get flip around
I'm not sure
It is im fixing 2 of them with same problem defected i guess
@@willampyle778 thats a pretty good guess
How does the key even get turned upside down in the first place?
From talking to my friend, it's always been that way, since he bought it new, That means it came from the factory that way
@@HomeGaragechannel Understandable BUT what doesn't make sense is that mower looks old so I'm assuming that your friend used a faulty mower for years? Maybe you can help me? I have a HRR2166Vka and the wheels aren't driving, however when I lift the back of the mower off the ground and pull the self propelled lever, the wheels drive. What do I need to look at? Thank you
What tool do you use to remove the ring?
Snap ring pliers
Home Garage thanks bud,
1- I realize that some mowers by default the tire lock when trying to push backward. Is this normal for some models ? I have a hrr216k10vkaa mower.
2-Also when I put the mower on side( left side) my gas start leaking even though I shut off the valve, is this expected?
3- I have accidentally opened the transmission underneath the blade and it leaked all the oil there, how do I add back? Do I just add the oil to the dipstick area?
I’m affraid now if I put the mower in the opposite side the fuel might get mixed with oil and screw up my machine
Any suggestions or feedback please
@@teknet7283 1. No the wheels are not supposed to lock when pulled back.
2. Even with the fuel valve closed theres still fuel in the line and the carburetor bowl which will leak out. If you tip the mower over try tipping it on the right side.
3. I've never dealt with the transmission fluid before so I'm not sure.
Home Garage how do I get oil back in transmission I think when I opened that part it leaked all oil out on ground.
@@teknet7283 I'm not sure.
Now how in the heck did that happen evidently someone didnt do it right at a shop
Someone was definitely not paying attention that day
Was this an issue when assembled at the factory?
Tony M thank you Tony M. Yes this issue came from the factory. The mower was like this since the the day it was bought. No one ever serviced it either.
Home Garage Thanks for the response. That's unreal, I bought an HRR216VYA last year and it's having the same issue. Should be an easy fix! Thanks!
Thanks and good luck.
Shouldn't the factory have authorized a no charge repair I've had the same problems from new. This does not recommend Honda Mowers
It should but probably not this day and age. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Lose the music and get to the point, otherwise good vid. Sorry to be so blunt - its from watching all these vids that drag on and lets get to the prob and the solution. thx again
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Come off it, what are you talking about, less than 4 minutes and its over with a good result for viewers!
Wow Honda should pay you
Thanks I appreciate the comment.
It looks like Honda who build this mower didn’t pay much attention LOL
It looks like it.
Honda HRX 217 hard to start the engine
Its hard to start but it does start and run eventually?
@@HomeGaragechannel it will start with a little spray with starting fluid at behind the air filter
@@savoeunhung809 okay. Do you have a choke lever or are you just pull it till it starts? Just trying to see what kind a choke system you have.
Why would it come from factory with key upside down..? ..doesn't make sense...how would the key on both sides get upside down....??
that's a good question. with the key upside down, you'll have to ask the person who did it at the end of a Friday.
From Factory? that is far from new.
Thank you for commenting. Its obviously not new the title says it's been like this since they bought it and pulled out of the box. They just thought it was supposed to be that way from day one.
@@HomeGaragechannel that's a strange assumption since rear wheel of a mower are whats used for turning.
@@robertknight4672 Would you refresh my memory what was my assumption?
Music wore me out before I could get through the video!
Yes the I dont put music in my videos anymore
You didn't mention the scribe mark on the gear and that it has to be facing in or out depending on the side its being used on.
Thank you John Schaeffer for the comment. I didn't see any scribe mark. I only do one side at a time and put the gear back on the way it came off.
My mower is a HRX217 so yours may not have the marks on the gears. I have a shop manual that shows the scribe mark and wha direction it faces, in or out.
My mower won't turn left , but does turn right. Any ideas?
I see. If you lift the back of the mower up and activate the drive do both wheels spin? And while the wheels are up and mower off can you spin both wheels freely the same directions? It sounds like one gear is facing the opposite direction. I'll have to take look tomorrow. I can get a hold of a 217.
Ok, good stuff, here’s my problem. I replaced the wheels on my old Honda HRB 475. It is certainly possible I replaced a pinion gear in reverse.
The punch mark should be ? Right outside, Left inside.
Anyway I without this knowledge the mower wouldn’t turn right. I messed around swapping pinion gears , then it wouldn’t turn left.
Exasperated I found the advice re the punch marks on the pinion wheels, fitted them Right out, Left in, both wheels made lovely clicky sound in reverse, lawnmower turns beautifully both ways BUT NO DRIVE !! , what the hell is wrong now ??
Any advice would be appreciated this is driving me nuts as getting the circlips off the shaft each time is very tricky.
Hopefully I’ve done something silly, but I can’t think what.
when its time to service the wheels its HELL getting the snap rigs off! Replace w other type snap ring! Also, lining up the inner wheel bolt washers can be tricky! Great mower otherwise!
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.
It's not made to go backwards, you suppose to raise it up a little and turn on a dime to go back the other direction, you will mess the gears up pulling it backwards
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bull shit dude. all mowers are made to pull backwards, if not nobody would buy it
@@abdonelectric957 all mower are not made to pull backwards read the instructions , on some they tell you not to go backwards or pull backwards, reading is fundamental Dude, now that's bullshit if you are not reading the instructions
So much for Quality Control..🤨
My thoughts too. Thanks for the watch and the comment.
This is why you should buy your mower from a reputable sales and service dealer, and not from a big box store. They'll set up and test your mower.
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it very much
The only thing good about Honda mowers is the motor. Everything else is over engineered and poorly designed. After four years with mine the rear wheels would lock up when trying to move it backwards. The “fix” required you to disassemble the entire rear end and transmission and all the hardware and bull shit clips. Then you have remove the drive shaft and sand it down to remove the scarring that occurs from regular use. Total crap. I got rid of it. There’s better options out there.
I'm glad got rid of it.