Everything You Need To Know | All New Nemo Tensor Sleeping Pads For 2024!
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- The Nemo Tensor Sleeping Pad is one of the most popular sleeping pads without question. With the release of the 2024 series of Tensor pads is three new models that focus on R-value rating to better choose the right pad for your backpacking needs. This is a full breakdown of the three brand new Tensor sleeping pads for 2024.
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This video features the all new Nemo Equipment Tensor series of sleeping pads. But it also includes the following topics:
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- Nemo Tensor Trail: geni.us/Tensor-Trail-REI
- Nemo Tensor All-Season: geni.us/Tensor-All-Season-REI
- Nemo Tensor Extreme Conditions: geni.us/Tensor-Extreme-REI
I bought the Tensor Insulated last year (long wide). I used it on a few trips. The first couple of times I used it, it hurt my back, but I think I was over inflating it. I got used to it anyway. On my first night of a thru hike attempt, I accidentally put a hole in it. I will say, even with a deflated Tensor Insulated pad, I was able to sleep in sub freezing temps, though not as comfortably as when it had air. I submitted a warranty claim to Nemo when I got home (I explained on the form that it was my own fault). I was just hoping they might help repair it because after multiple repair attempts, it was still losing air. Nemo had me ship it to them. They replaced it with a brand new Tensor All Season. The All Season is a definite upgrade. It's lighter and has higher R value. I've used it on 2 nights so far and it did great. Thanks Nemo.
Good review BTW. :)
That means more than anything!
I bought an insulated wide Tensor last year and love it. My buddy had another brand and he was sleeping on a bag of potato chips all night. I even heard it and I was in my tent 30 feet away.
By far, this is the most concise review of the new Tensor variants that I've seen. Most reviews are just one pad, or they are a comparison to last year's Tensor insulated.
I bought the all season a few weeks ago and i camped at -7,-10 and i was toasty warm. I added a foam pad underneath the second night but it was the same. Also i am a bit heavyweight (100kgs) and i sleep in numerous positions and i was comfy in every single one of them. Hands down i could recommend this pad to anyone that it’s not going to extreme expeditions.
Nemo really took over the scene in a matter of 3 years I feel like it.
So many well thought out and practical designs.
So useful. Thanks
I have the BA Zoom UL, I just love it and sleep like a baby on it. Took it out a few days ago in upstate Pennsylvania in 32f and shivered all night. I have watched a lot of your videos about sleeping pads, so I knew its limitations at that temp. I rewatched this video today and decided to buy the Tensor All Season along with a Filo. Thank you for the in-depth review and explanation of the differences between the All Season and Extreme Conditions pads. 👍👍👍
I purchased the Extreme Conditions Tensor last week after watching Eric Hansen and have used it twice here in the White Mts.of New Hampshire. I already owned the Tensor Trail but wasn't always that comfortable on it. The Extreme just feels better and the weight is not an issue as my treks are usually not that long. You make great points about all three and folks should find your presentation very helpful in deciding which is best for their use.
Nice. I guess the All Season is comparable to the Insulated Wide I've been using. The sleeping pad was probably the one thing I wished I saved up for instead of grabbing a budget pad first. Probably my favorite feature of the Tensor is how fast they deflate. Makes packing up so much less frustrating.
I really love the differential dernier construction and curious to see how that performs in thorny places like the Arizona trail. Thanks for the comparison. I'll check out Justin's
I’ve used the yellow one for a year now and I like it.😊
What is the best sleeping pad for the summer months comfort wise? BigAgnes Zoom UL? The only downside side that I see is the deflation valve.
Great info, I have two already. Just ordered the all season pad on the regular wide.
Nice!
What temps would you recommend for the All season pad?
What’s the lowest temp range you would recommend for the all season before the extreme would be needed with a 0 degree down bag?
Best outdoor brand period.
It is really interesting that the R value of the new All-Season is the same as if I stacked my previous model Tensor Insulated (3.5) with my Thermarest Z-Lite Sol (2). really tempting stuff.
Great Video! 🫶
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Excellent/Informative comparison.
My sleeping pad is the MSR XTherm, tapered, narrow 20" width that comes with an R6.9 value & a 70D ground side material. Works for MEeee.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
Hard to beat that proven warmth from the Xtherm.
Since it's the multiple layers of mylar that seem to make the difference, I wonder if putting a cheap space blanket under the pad would get you another point or two of R-value? That would be an interesting test and maybe a way to extend the usefulness of a pad into shoulder season (or an even colder season.)
How do these compare to the Therm-a-rest Xtherm in terms of comfort and noise level?
I always buy the most extreme rated pad for all year.
Awesome reviews Devin! Interesting that each pad manufacturer seems to be going up in R-Value. The old Tensor non-insulated used to be a few ozs lighter. Not sure I agree with going up in the R-Value. My old tensor is 3.5 and I've had it down to freezing no problem. What they did right with the mid-option is increase the R-Value for the same weight as my old one. However, prices have gone up as well. Used to be $179 for the 3.5 r-value pad. Great breakdown of the tech! You and Justin are the pad bros!
Thanks, Dave! The other thing to remember is pad performance isn't just about r-value. Ambient temp, size of the pad, your body size and how much of your sleep system covers the pad, and ground temp all play into the performance.
Great to see some Nemo love! I own multiple products from them (tent and sleeping bag). Curios about the gloves you are wearing. Who makes them?
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So much love for the gloves! Ha ha they are the Diablo Tec gloves from Outdoor Designs.
I’ve been through 2 Tensor pads now, after getting “mysterious leaks”. My second replacement arrived today via UPS. It’s still in the shipping box, and will most likely stay there until I find a better replacement. Don’t waste your money on Nemo pads.
I have a trial tensor that has a R value of 4.6 rating. I bought it last year.
Awesome. So helpful. Can’t wait to check them out in person. Will you be doing the new zenbivy flex?
Thanks! I do have the new Zenbivy pads, but haven’t had a chance to use either one yet.
YAY! A Zenbivy system is definitely on my wishlist in 2024.@@BackcountryExposure
Please when you review the Zenbivy Ultralight Mattress compare it to the Nemo All Season in terms of warmth and comfort. I'm very unsure which one to get.@@BackcountryExposure
Hmm... my Tensor Alpine only has a 4.8 value IIRC. Which means Nemo did a lot of improvements to get the 3 season to that 5.4 value. I'd love to try it out the new 3 season but I don't really need it as my current gear is working just fine.
@7:25 That leaf looked like a mouse running across the pads!
awesome vid
Thank you!
I just purchased the Tensor All-Season and will try it out this weekend! What's that staked out ground sheet you are using?
Awesome! Curious to know how it goes for you.
The bathtub floor you see is a DIY project I did for myself.
Wednesday, February 14th: I use Nemo Tensor Extreme Conditions Ultralight Sleeping Pad Long Wide R-value 8.5, 22 oz (630 grams). Works for me. Happy Trails! Ross08
Sweet!
Excellent comparison! Now their lineup makes sense. I probably went overkill when I grabbed an Extreme when they came out. But that was before the all season was released and the Insulated was a touch cold for me in the 20s. Oh well.
The Trail is a bit of an oddball. I get they need something to compete with the xLite, but the R value is closer to the uberlite. At least it’s cheaper and more comfortable.
I agree the trail really only makes sense for when you’re only going to be in warm weather.
Great information! Evry time I think I found a pad I like, they come out with new ones! I like the Nemo Tensor Insulated Long Wide pad for now. Also, I would like to get a ground sheet like the one you have. Could you make some and sell them?
Yeah of your current pad is working, keep it and enjoy it!
I wish I was in a spot to do some diy work like that. But I’m just not able to focus on that right now.
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It sounds like the all seasons is great for us people in Hawaiʻi.
I’ll be recommending that to my friends from now.
On the other hand, I was on a quest for the most comfortable sleeping pad. I’m in love with the Nemo Quasar for backpacking trips. When camping where weight isn’t important, I sleep with an Exped Megamat 10 Duo, Exped DeepSleep 7.5, or the Nemo Quasar. The megamat feels better than my bed at home, and yet the Quasar cradles so well..
Awesome! That Quasar is an incredible pad. I'd be interested to see if they choose to update that pad with lighter fabrics.
@@BackcountryExposure And up the r value....the only reason I'm sending mine back! What a shame as I just love this thing!
Thanks for the clear explanation on Nemo Tensor pads. I'll be sleeping on snow from now until May with air temps in the 10s to the 30s, and I'm a warm sleeper, would you use the All Season for that or move to the Extreme?
I think just to ensure warmth when sleeping on snow, the extreme makes the most sense and it’s such a minimal weight penalty.
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks, you've confirmed my thinking and probably saved me a random cold night or two 😊
I was wondering what brand gloves those are, you're wearing in the video
They are the Diablo Tec gloves from Outdoor Designs. :)
How did you find the sound of moving around on the new Tensor. Old thermarest pads were “chip bags” the newer ones considerably quieter. The old Nemo tensors were pretty quiet comparatively. How would you compare the new Tensor to the old Tensor and/or to the newer Thermarest? Thanks.
The pad is very quiet. I don’t really notice the sound much at all. Which was the same on the previous gen too. Honestly, I believe the NeoAir pads are the biggest offenders cause of the baffle construction and fabrics used.
Awesome comparison Devin.
I have the Extreme Conditions and I totally agree about the comfort level. It's good, but my Big Agnes Zoom UL is definitely better. I'm a very cold sleeper, so the Extreme Conditions was the right option for me, but I would be interested to see how the All Seasons does.
The Zoom UL is exceptionally comfortable! It and the Nemo Quasar are my top for comfort. Just a bummer the Zoom didn’t stand up to the claimed R-Value.
9:15 Is that a Hilleberg Akto? Does a wide pad fit in normally? Because on paper it shouldn't
The red tent is the Enan. And yeah, a 25x72 pad fits just fine.
I have two tensors, both are prone to leaks and pins holes. I need a new pad, am debating between the new tensor all season and the Big Agnes Rapide. How is the new tensor durability?
I guess I’ve been one of the lucky ones cause any of the tensors I’ve had haven’t had issues.
With the All-season that I have 20+ nights with I’ve used mostly in the desert where there’s a lot of pokey things and haven’t had issues.
Trying to decide between the trail or the all season for motorcycle camping, typically in warm weather but sometimes into fall. Within a Marmot Limelight 2 tent, I sleep off the ground with an Alps Mountaineering cot and UGQ 20 degree quilt fully open like a blanket. With that setup, I guess I’m concerned that the all season might be too warm, maybe even hot, if I were in a Midwest campground on a midsummer night for example. Which would you recommend in that scenario? Cost between the two is not a factor.
I’d still opt for the All season. Just more flexible.
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Hi bro thank you for that video now i found the perfect mat for me!!!!!! Please tell me the brand and model of that tent is on video … color coyote thanks
That is the Hill Zero Matis tent. It’s excellent! $220 on Amazon.
Great review. How noisy are the pads?
Honestly really quiet. You might get some squeak on certain tent floors, but the chip bag sound from the insulation is nearly non existent.
compared to others quieter, yet still noisy for multiple folks at my camp. its more muffled, but still squeaky. We are considering liners to aid with tossing and turning, and stomach sleepers.
What do you think of RockFront all season system UL for low temperatures?
I am not familiar with that system, only seen it on their website. So I can't speak to it. :)
I've never used that exact system, but I own a few RockFront sleeping bags/quilts and a zippered sheet as well. It's very convenient to use, much better than regular quilts
What are the tan trekking pole tent at the beginning, and the red single hoop tunnel tent?
The tan tent is the Matis 2P from Hill Zero. The red one is the Hilleberg Enan. 😊
@@BackcountryExposure Thank you!
Il am earing the same complain over and over about the Sensor Extrem,,:cold spots 😮
What is the most comfortable pad for side sleepers?
Big Agnes rapids sl I reckon.. r value of 4.8
The Rapide SL is mega comfy for side sleeping as well as the Nemo Quasar.
As a side sleeper, I find any of the sea to summit pads great. They're lofty and I haven't had a bad night. I used their extreme version last winter and it's warm enough for me but because it's so plush it doesn't pack down very small. So I went with the Nemo extreme this winter and it's been great. Although it's not as comfortable as the sea to summit, it packs down small and it kept me cozy right around 28 degrees. I haven't been further down in temps yet.
I also had the BA Rapide and the side rails are great to keep you on the pad. It was comfortable but for me not as good as the sea to summit. If it matters, I do have a few old bones 😄
I currently have a S2S Comfort Plus SI. I've been looking to upgrade in terms of comfort and weight savings. I'm a side sleeper and definitely think I would enjoy a 25" pad. I'm really torn between the Tensor All Season and BA Rapide. Will also be looking to upgrade my sleeping bag from my current Kelty Cosmic Down. Quilts are really interesting to me so I have been looking at an EE Enigma or going for the Zenbivy setup. Decisions are hard!
What are those more comfortable pads you referenced? Quazar?
Big Agnes Zoom UL and Nemo Quasar.
@@BackcountryExposurewhat do you think about those and the Nemo vs the REI Helix? Justin loves the Helix for comfort. Where would the Helix slot in between those two and the All Weather Nemo Tensor
Did they redesign the slow leak out of their pads?
Ha Ha ha! Yes
Hey, where did you buy your pump, and what brand is it?
If I remember correctly from another video, it’s the FlextailGear tiny pump. It’s on my wishlist! Haha
My Tensor Insulated is 4.2 R-Value and 15.4 oz so probably no reason to upgrade.
The winter pad is enticing. Good pad review Devin. 👍👍
Yeah man! I’d say keep putting your current one through the wringer and enjoy it!
What's the lowest temperature at which you've slept on it? I have the same pad and still considering the new one for winter backpacking
@@randompasser-by341826 overnight for the Tensor Insulated is the coldest I’ve had it out in.
@@randompasser-by3418 26 F overnight in the Uintas.
What tent is that in the video?
It’s the Hill Zero Matis. 😊
What tent is that behind you?
It’s the Hill Zero Matis.
Is that tent from hill zero matis?
Yes it’s the Matis. I wasn’t so sure about it on paper, but in person it’s an impressive tent at first glance. Really well constructed, and a lot like the TT Dipole 1 DW. But this is single wall, and wider than the Dipole 1. It’s a bit short though. Anyone close to 6’ is probably gonna struggle with the length.
I would choose the All Season. I'm wondering how the new ZenBivy Ultralight Mattress is comfort-wise in comparison! It's got a claimed R-Value of 5 and just over a pound in weight.
Next week I’ll be using the Zenbivy Ultralight in the desert with expected temps in the 20’s overnight. So testing on that is getting started. The comfort having just laid on it in my house for a few hours I can say it’s quite comfy.
@@BackcountryExposure Woohoo! Excited to hear your thoughts!
Was the extreme more comfortable than the all season?
I personally don’t notice a difference in the comfort between the Apex and Spaceframe baffles.
i wonder if they fixed the reliability issues. i warrantied my nemo tensor twice before my local store just refunded me.
Given that the pad went back to the drawing board and the fabrics, valve and such are all new, the focus was on fixing those issues. My experience so far has been great, with no issues.
I wish you would have mentioned what the “more comfortable options“ are.
Sorry, I probably should have called them out. Specifically I was referencing the Big Agnes Zoom UL and Nemo Quasar.
@@BackcountryExposure Nice. I’ll look into those. Thanks!
What are the more comfortable pads?
The Nemo Quasar and Big Agnes Zoom UL. Just wish the Zoom wasn’t a huge fail on the insulation.
First. Haven’t done that in 10 years lol
I do not understand this update. My 2022-2023 Nemo Tensor (regular wide) weighs in at 19oz and has a 4.5 R value. The previous version from 2020-2021 was 19oz and 3.5 R value.
How did they bring the R value down to 2.8 while ALSO raising the weight by an ounce?
I think your confusion is exactly why they changed their product line: you have the insulated version and are comparing it with what is the new version of the NON-insulated pad. trail=non insulated, all season=insulated, extreme=cold weather
I mean, sure. I get the marketing. But a single layer of reflective metal is still technically insulation. By that rationale, Nemo is saying “1 layer = non-insulated, 2=insulated.”
Unless I’m seeing this wrong. I’ve no ego here, just genuinely wondering why they changed what was ultimately the most versatile R-Value. 2.8 is on the low end and anything over 5 can be a little too warm. 4 was the sweet spot. I appreciate most innovations but unless I’m totally off the mark here, I’m really not sure I’m stoked on this change in ratings.
@@DevinSchiro basically all they did was rename them, change the color of the lower r-value pad and add a third with more r value
Bingo.
But hey I could be wrong. Maybe R-5 is better! At the end of the day, it still seems odd that the higher R-value pad weighed in lighter last year.
Unless it was from superior materials to bolster its reliability. If they told me “it’s heavier cause it the baffles are reinforced better” I’d take that weight penalty gladly.
@@DevinSchiro it didn't weigh less :) the trail is R2.8 and weighs 13.9oz. it replaces the "non-insulated" tensor which was R2.5 and weighed 12.9oz. the all-season is R5.4 and weighs 16oz. it replaces the "insulated" tensor which was R4.2 and weighed ~15-16oz. so actually it weighs the SAME but is WARMER. again, the confusion is in the models because they did not name them very well previously :)
What is a more comfortable option of pads??
They are all the same comfort.
My brand new tensor all season came with a pin hole leak, somethings haven’t changed.
You contacted Nemo right?
@@BackcountryExposure Since I’m not from the US I have to go through an external company who handle all Nemo’s warranty claims. This pad is so new it isn’t in stock in Australia for them to simply replace (purchased through GGG), following advice from ggg for now until I can get it sorted.
I gotta get my hands on the extreme conditions variant
For those NH winters?! Absolutely!
In your opinion, what is the most comfortable pad?
The Nemo Quasar and Big Agnes Zoom UL are the most comfortable pads in my opinion.
The updated rapide!
I need to get one ordered when budget makes sense. 😊
Idk i ghink these prices are on the high side
Thanks and good job, very thorough nice selection. Please everyone in the industry and You Tube, let’s see temperatures. I’ve seen charts for pads give different temps for the same R values. I’m tired of it. Please com3 together everyone.
Are you meaning you want temperature ratings for the pads and not r-value?
@@BackcountryExposure yes both please, I’ve seen too many charts on the internet with different temps for R values on pads. Too much guessing. I find it an industry problem. Some range or idea like bags and quits .Thanks 😊
@@mobilewintercamp7515 The issue is that air temperature is only half the equation. You could be cold on a pad in the spring on wet/frozen/cold ground when air temps are well above freezing or you could be toasty warm in the late summer/fall (when the ground is warm) when air temps are below freezing. That being said, the r-value test primarily measures how well a pad prevents heat loss to the ground and not the air around it, so you have to keep that in mind too.
@@JustinOutdoors thanks bro I do and I know these things. Sorry but it’s as simple as R value has no real meaning without knowing what an R value is. If I’m going out in a temperature and I can guess the ground temp, it’s meaningless if I have no idea what temperature an R value on a pad is.
@@BackcountryExposure both. It should be like sleeping bags. A temperature and an industry wide understanding. This is the survival or extreme bag rating, this is the general comfort zone for most people with a base layer beanie and wool socks. This is the R value of the pad and this is that corresponding temperature. You should be comfortable down to that air temp depending on ground temperature theoretically for the average person. Something to understand what R value really translates to buying a product that is in the projected parameters of a person region or planned hikes.
I think it is a miss opportunity, if the trail model can be lower to $150 or lower range, it will kill the summer pad market. For the r value of it there are many more cheaper choices out there.
I think I agree with you. I personally have a hard time justifying the trail with how much you get out of the all-season.
Metric conversions would be much appreciated :)
Every text graphic when I mention weights includes grams. 😊
I’m mostly curious if Nemo has addressed the issue with the baffle seams leaking.
I carried the Tensor on my PCT thru hike last year and it started seeping from the baffles within only a few weeks. A few other hikers also had this issue and it’s devastating because it’s not something you can patch.
I reached out to Nemo who conceded they were aware of this problem at a manufacturing level but denied any comment on whether they were going to address it in future iterations.
They made good on my warranty claim but it’s made me very hesitant to carry their pads without some sort of backup foam pad going forward. Especially on a longer thru hike where you’re very limited in options if things like this happened. I was so lucky to be passing a town with an REI when my failure occurred. Had it happened in the sierra? In a record breaking high snow year? Could have been catastrophic.
Unless you camp in the winter there's no reason to buy anything but the All Season model in my opinion. Two more ounces for a pad you can use most of the year when most people won't spend $400 to have two pads.
Absolutely agree!
They honestly dont look that comfy. I was looking at the Big Agnes Rapide/Zoom UL, as I like that design. This seems like it has more of the horizontal baffle design
My tensor insulated regular wide is 19 oz, R value of 4.2 and didn’t cost $189 (I think it was $165), so these pads are worse in every way.
How the tensor trail is a "reliable tried and true sleeping pad" when this a new pad = no long term feedback yet and the old version was known to get pinhole leaks ? Like come on..
Camping supplies have turned into the equivalent of more mega pixels in phones. Such a joke.
Oh please expound! I want to hear more of this thought you’ve got.
I don’t get it. These are not comfortable pads unless you like that balloon feel. Oh well!
🤷🏻♂️ I don’t feel like I’m laying on a balloon. What is your go to pad?
Are they still flimsy pieces of junk?
Far far from! Been very impressed with this new line.