What are your thoughts on double wide sleeping pads for couples? I've been eyeing up the big agnes rapide tent floor pad. The weight and cost savings compared to two single Rapides is quite appealing.
7:06 I did put my rapide on snow at 20F. I went inside at 3am. I felt cool from below but my arm on top was cold-I think because I got a draft (user error). I was in the women's nemo disco 15 (comfort rating 17F) and I wore thick pants and a thin long sleeved shirt). My pad would probably keep me warmer if it wasn't 12'' taller than me. Even more of it is exposed because I sleep with knees very bent on my side. I'm also just a very tiny person, so it's a tiny body trying to heat a large volume of air. I haven't heard anyone talk about that on youtube. Anyway, I put a layer of mylar bubble wrap on TOP of the pad and felt MUCH warmer when I laid on the cold pad for 20 minutes the other day. It takes a long time to heat up the air pad, but when you're on a layer of bubble wrap, you don't have to, and you feel warm almost instantly. I have yet to try that for a full night because our temps warmed up, but if it really works, it means I can truly make it a 4 season pad for free using those reflective bubble wrap envelopes from the food boxes. The bonus is that the mylar bubble wrap, while not capable of keeping you warm on snow with one layer, could probably keep you safely alive with 2-3 layers...at least it probably could for me because i weigh 100 pounds and don't pop it. I think as long as you distributed your weight, anyone could carefully lay on it without popping it.
I bought the BA AXL Air last year. Hate it. 1- It's noisy as hell. Fabric rubs with the tent bottom and it's just loud as hell. 2- Air fill/empty plug just sucks for emptying. Honestly, very expensive pad, great size and weight, good R-value, HORRIBLE NOISE WHENEVER YOU MOVE. Great videos!
Great video thanks!! I see the reviews and popularity etc of these models, but then when you go over what you thought of them I"m like "THAT is exactly the info I wanted and would have found out if I was there in person checking them out" but YOU DID which is why we freaking watch reviews and appreciate what you do man. I would have made the exact same decisions for the same reasons. So, thanks a lot!!! Keep em coming!
I purchased the Big Agnes Rapide SL. I was able to use it on a cold night and was happy with it. So thank you for all your honest reviews. They are very helpful. Love watching all your vidoes.
@@snlzach2205 Sorry to hear that! I have actually heard similar things from others, but have had no issues with mine and sleep so well. I have been very comfortable down to low 20s (Haven’t tried any lower than about 22 degrees). I also baby my pad, use a thin foam pad underneath, and only weigh 165 pounds wet, so I’m sure all that helps. Lol
I backpacked forever with my old Thermarest self inflating 1" thick pad. Hot or cold - same pad. I recently bought a Rapid SL long wide. DUDE! such a nice pad!
Im a fat guy and like to sleep on my side and I have thermarest pads and the rapide sl (25x72) and I must say that rapide is by far the most comfortable of the pads I own and have used. I don't think of the weight being any issue, when you weigh as much as I, you don't notice that minor differences. I'd buy 30"x72" if they'd only made one😁
I feel the same, the Rapide is head and shoulders above any pad Ive tried in terms of comfort. I didnt think sleeping pads could compete with my bed til I slept on a Rapide.
Do you happen to know how much weight the 25x72 rapide can take? I've currently got the tent floor version (50x78 tapered) for a 2p tent that's really comfortable but I'm wondering if it's too much size wise.
Dan, since you love your tiny pump, help your buddy out, and attach the plastic nozzle to the intake port of the pump. They will all fit both ports. Then you can suck all the air out and roll it up tight like the day you bought it! - Ron
Rapide SL for me! super confy, it can be deflated(adjusted) anytime during use to make it even more soft. Edges are great and prevent me from falling off and it has some insulation too for colder nights. Dont think there's a better pad for me than this 👍
First off, Dan THANK YOU! Watching your videos has encouraged me to get out and start backpacking. I completed my first overnighter today and slept on a Rapide SL. I slept good, but realized I was having some hip pain. I remembered your love for 2 pillows and so I made do with a fleece and a stuff sack. BINGO pain gone. I'm ordering my 2nd pillow now. Keep the content coming!
I get all kinds of pain too... Do you think it could have been that you filled it with air below your body temp and then your body temp heated the air and made it too firm? I've had that happen. The temperature change has a dramatic effect on the volume and therefore pressure inside the pad. I got a free (with shipping) inflatable pillow, and it just wasn't enough for my head when I'm camping, but I actually use it between my knees in my bed every night now, and I LOVE it..Regular pillows and body pillows can end up way too hot, or you get tangled up in them...
Big Agnes didn’t backup a defective pad. Said they wouldn’t look at it for 4 months after I sent it back unless I bribed them with a $50 expedited evaluation fee. I’m done with them. I took the loss and got a Thermarest. Been very happy with it. P.s., I won’t be writing a letter back to them like you did there.
As a big side sleeper who loves the cold my go to pad is definitely the sea to summit etherlite xt extreme 👍 such an amazing pad , don't care about weight if I sleep well
I can attest to the warmth of the Thermarest Neo. I have that exact mattress in Large due to being 6'5 220. I have had it down to 12 degrees on frozen ground with nothing but a tarp under and sleeping in a 3 sided pole tent. My bag was the Outdoor Vitals 15 degree stuffed into a GI Gortex Biivvy. I sweat my buns off until I took off my sweat shirt and stripped to base layer. After that toasty warm. In the warmer months 50 and above, I have learned to just lay directly on the pad and just sleep in the bivvy by itself. Once that pad warms up with your body heat it is like sleeping on your own little heater. I am actually shopping for a lighter and smaller mattress just for the warmer months due to , why take the weight penalty?
I can attest to the XTherm. I took a late season Yellowstone trip (Late October) last year and had temps down into the single digits, on snow, and it felt like having a heating pad under me. By far, the best sleeping pad for the cold I've ever used. I've cowboy camped on snow with nothing between the pad and the ground surface. Durable, check. I can't speak to any of the others as I don't really camp in the summer, at least not at low elevation. :)
I’m taking the Rapide SL into low 40s/high 30s in a couple weeks. I expect the rapide to perform well. I’m also a side sleeper. So I’ll try to remember to report back when I get back. Also taking a 30* HG quilt which might be pushing it but we’ll see.
You should be ok. Remember that you can also change the stiffness of the bag really quick and easy. I had it too pumped up but once I let some air go I got some of the best sleep I've ever had
Sorry yes - the Rapide SL and 30* HG quilt worked well in the low 30 degree range for me. Just to give you an idea of what I’m wearing to bed - I ended up picking up a balaclava over the winter also but usually just used a beanie and gloves. Slept in my underwear, socks, base shirt and microgrid fleece most nights.
I love my XTherm for colder weather, and I've tried the Uberlite (purchased two and have returned both) due to a lack of durability. The first one was fine for me on a number of tests at home, but it sprung a leak on the first night of the first trip I took it out on. Then I decided to give it a second chance and the second one had a faulty valve and never held air even the first time I inflated it at home. I haven't tried any Big Agnes pads, but I love my Sea to Summit Ether Light XT (most comfortable pad I've owned) for 3 seasons.
I used the NeoAir UL on the JMT without testing first (I know). Horrible mistake. Not much different than a foam pad and absolutely killed back after a few days. Not worth the weight savings vs my tensor. My wife used the static V Luxe and loved it. The size of a small air bed, and the weight to match but probably worth being well rested.
Hey Dan! I been watching your videos and really enjoy the info you provide and value your opinion. Which is why I went and bought a Rapide too. Excellent pad. You are right, very comfortable. Got the 20X72 and being a side sleeper the narrow doesn’t bother me at all. I love it. And it packs down smaller which is a plus. Coming from a 2 1/2 inch thick mat, the difference is night and day. I use it for moto camping so the weight isn’t an issue but size makes a difference. Thanks for the advice. Keep up the good work.
Why not the Big Agnes Air Core Ultra for the value pad? Also $100, 4.5r value, the regular is 22oz, 3 1/4” thick with thicker out baffles, durable outer shell, and rather quiet. Usual best choice for anyone not familiar with sleeping pads and willing to spend for proper kit but not almost double the price to shave some weight.
I bought BIG AGNES RAPIDE SL and used it last week for the first time - it was around 0 celsius outside and (very unpleasant surprise) I felt cold. It seemed like the pad is full of cold air and no insulation, it was cold at the pressure point where my body touched the pad. I did not see if the reflective film fell on to the ground, but it felt like that. I did a ton of research before buying one and nobody mentioned any warmth problems. Is the reflective film problem has ALL THE RAPID SL pads or just few, should I send it to warranty? What do you think? Thank you.
I switched to the Rapide. Took it on the Pinhoti trail this weekend and got the best sleep ever. I'm a side sleeper so I love the thickness it was also quiet.
The Big Agnes Rapide has recently updated their range to make it slightly lighter and smaller packed, but also increased the R rating to 4.8. Look for 24 in the MPN. We bought the double wide as we bikepack as husband and wife, and it is an amazing pad. Thanks Dan!
I do mostly motorcycle camping, so I use the Nemo Cosmo 3-D which is 30” x 80” and I sleep good, but still have a few aches and pains in the morning. I’ve thought about adding a foam pad for underneath. Have you ever tried that combination…?
My question too! I primarily backpack/hike, but I'm a side sleeper with wide hips and a chronic pain disorder. I'm very interested in solutions for hips digging into the ground. I've been considering the same fix of an air pad on top of a foam pad.
I bought the NeoTherm Max a few weeks back.... excited to use it - is there such a thing as too insulated/ too warm for sleeping pads during warm months? Do I need a cooler pad for next summer? Thanks for the killer content Dan...
The only piece of gear in my kit that I don't care about size or weight is my sleeping pad. All I care about is comfort! Also with a little more weight comes more durability which is also always a plus when it comes to what you are sleeping on. That's why I have the BA Rapide SL normal wide!!
He mentions it in his last sleeping pad video. Something about the tensor being more thin and the sides aren’t really raised. Just purchased the tensor and took it back and got the rapid. And I’m a Nemo fan
I LOVE that the double Big Agnes rapide SL is made for their tapered 2P tents. Most comfortable night sleep in the outdoors. Worth not skimping on your sleep system just like your bed at home.
Unless you are seriously camping great chanks of a year I would put this money towards your bed mattress and just get decent camping mattress for 1/3 of this preposterous price. Fanny how your best picks are the most expensive once.
I'm surprised that there was no mention about the Nemo Tensor. I specifically bought two of them based off of your recommendation in one of your previous videos. Has your opinion changed about the Nemo Tensor or do you have updated information that you can share?
Dan. I have a bad back and traditionally use a hammock while camping. I’m going to the Tetons to hike and camp. What are your recommendations for comfort for bad backs. I’m around 6’2” and 220lbs Thx for any help.
Hi Dan! Been enjoying your videos for the last 6 months. Just purchased a new Big Agnes Q Core Deluxe sleeping pad (25X72) at a really great price ($95) and I'm excited to use it on my first hot tent adventure of the 2022/23 winter season here in Ohio. I may have missed it in one of your videos, but I can't seem to locate a review from you on this particular pad? I know you enjoy and highly recommend both the Q Core SLX and Rapide by Big Angus. I almost bought the Rapide, but after comparing specs, reviews and price, I felt to go with the Q Core Deluxe since it is being discontinued. If you have done a review, I'd love to hear your take! Specifically in comparison to these other pads. Keep up the great work. Really enjoying your channel and just subscribed. Not sure what took me so long? LOL. Patrick
Yes Emmitt! Thank you! That is the whole reason I returned a Thermarest Uberlite (old valve). It was so difficult and annoying to deflate! I never hear anyone talking about that. Went to the 25” Nemo Tensor Insulated and never looked back. Why wasn’t that pad mentioned? Super comfortable and deflates in a flash.
I have a thermo rest and find it very comfortable however how does a person become a member of the Dan Becker backpacking equipment library of no returns? Asking for a friend😎
Hey Dan, Totally agrees with you on the Rapide. It’s been a game changer for me, simply love it. After watching you talking high praises on the Thermarest pillow I went and bought it online from Germany (I’m living in Denmark, and the pillow isn’t sold here). But then I read on the instructions that if I’ve wanted more loft, I should put it in the washer. Have you tried that? And does it work? I’m a bit sceptic 🤨. Great show btw love it 👍🏻
Best Pad..? Big Agnes Q Core 30x78! Big Agnes baffles run vertical (head to foot) very comfortable! ThermARest baffles run side to side, not nearly as comfortable. Oh yea.. I’m a moto-camp guy, don’t care about weight as much; That why I also carry a OneTigres lightweight cot with extension legs.
Love your channel. EXPED Dura 8 and Downmat 9 are my favorite. I live in Alaska and backpack down to -30F no heat int tent. They do not deflate at all once you inflate them. Silent, comfy, 3 " high. Blows Thermorest out of the water. My least favorite Sea to Summit Ether Light Insulated. Rolling around on a plasic bag of Fritos.
I thought the nemo tensor was one of your favorite sleeping pads. Why isn't it one of the 3? I mean you have whole vids dedicated to the tensor AND it's the pad listed in your gear list in the description.
Love my thermarest and my big agnes BUT the KLYMITE IS SO NOT CONFORTABLE !!!! bought it on your recommendation and worst 2 night outside !!! lol Team hammock anyway ! Thank you ! good video !
Rapide is 4.2 r value and the q core is 3.2 r value. Rapide is warmer but a bit heavier. Both are similar in comfort. So it depends how cold you’re gonna camp.
The newer version Q-Core Deluxe Insulated has an R value of 4.3. I couldn't find any real differences between that and the Rapide SL, so i went with the Deluxe just because of the color lately and I absolutely love it.
I bought the deluxe. It's super nice. The top feels rougher so you don't slide around on top. The difference between the 2 is mainly the materials used. It's heavier but feels more durable.
Theses videos are perfect for trying to figure out which one to get! I personally have the REI Co-op AirRail Plus Self-Inflating Sleeping Pad. Took it to Africa in 70 degree nights and was good. Comfort level 3.5/5. When I took it to Cottonwood lakes and another trip, it was low 40s I was definitely colder than expected on it. R-value of 3.3. I’m leaning towards Big Agnes Rapide for my March 3-5 trip.
The issue I have found with the alpine is additional noise for such a small gain in r value, would rather see this solidly over 5. Isn’t noisy exactly, but the main reason for the tensor is to have a light, quiet, warm, and comfortable pad over the xlite, and heading in the wrong direction for me.
Don't buy anything Klymit. Their ASTM certified R-Values prove that even their insulated pads shouldn't be used earlier than late spring and later than early fall. Go get the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra 20x72 for $100 and call it a day. ASTM Certified 4.5 R-Value.
I slept direct on snow with the rapide and felt the cold soaking through underneath. Comfy as hell but probably more a 3 season unless you have a thin bit of foam under it to help it out.
I am wondering if u have tried any of the Zenbivy mattresses yet. Your video testing the light sheet and quilt on the Big Agnes Rapide as well as your video with Mike Glavin have definitely helped to sell me on the Zenbivy system. Comfort is critical for me with warmth to weight ratio being very close second. I’ll be riding around the continental US on my DR650 indefinitely, perhaps diving into Central America, definitely riding as far north as Oregon, camping as frequently as possible (every night, weather and laws permitting). Would any of the Zenbivy mattresses parallel the Big Agnes Rapide?
You never mention Exped ultra series. It is the best series, way better than Nemo tensor insulated. Light and warm, quiet and wide. If xtherm is too noisy. Pick Exped ultra R7 R9
G'day from Australia. Really like your honest reviews and not too serious. I had my first experience with the Sea to Summit Ether Lite Xt which was comfortable but the NOISE when I turned over kept everyone around me awake! I need the thickness of the Rapid SL as I am 6'3 220 do any of these have less noise than another? I like the S2S and I may as well keep it if the ones you reviewed are as loud? Thanks again
How does the Big Agnes compare to the Sea to Summit Ether Light XT as far as comfort? I know you had the black 6.whatever R one and it was cold for you. But which is more comfortable? I am a summer and possibly late spring/early fall backpacker, at least currently. I sleep on my side. I have a Nemo Cosmo insulated (the one from like 8 years ago with the built in foot pump) and it's been great but I still wake up a little uncomfortable throughout the night. My arm sometimes falls asleep, I toss and turn. But in the mornings I don't feel as if I slept poorly. I want max comfort, insulated for the Washington state mountains, not much more than 2lbs, not as large as that black Ether you tested. The Big Agnes is pretty much what I would be going for max spec wise. Any other thoughts for max comfort?
Sea to Summit Ether Light XT and the extreme version for winter. I have the Xtherm and it destroyed my shoulders. It's definitely warm but it's not comfortable for me. Picked up the S2S and it's been awesome
Thanks for this review. Debating between the Repide & Zoom UL. Have you tried the Zoom? I love how much lighter it is but wonder about the noise of the Zoom vs. Repide.
Frankly, if you take a few minutes, and use a trowel or a camp shovel to shape the dirt to the curves and hollows of your body, you can sleep comfortably on a $10 blue pad from Walmart. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
The problem with the Big Agnes Rapide SL I found is that if you move onto your side you will slide around quite a bit. The surface appears to be too smooth and if you move around alot you're going to slide around.
I have a Thermarest Neoair and a Sea To Summit, both insulated. I will never, ever consider going out (much less in winter/snow) with an additional eva foam mat for additional protection. Doesn't need to be the uber thick and rigid mats... a Zrest or even a flimsy generic YOGA mat will do wonders. If you happen to puncture one of those mats in subzero temps, you are up to a miserable cold night with no sleep at all. If you are also going to set up camp on rocks (which is a common occurence in alpine terrain) this will provide additional protection to the inflatable one. Great review though.
On the rapide SL as I make this comment. Currently on a 3 week field camp for my degree and man o man have I never had beeter sleep while camping! So go infact that we had a bear go through our campsite, terrorize one of our classmates, had a tazor go off and it wakes everyone up, and I slept through the entire thing! Amazing sleeping pad.
What are your thoughts on double wide sleeping pads for couples? I've been eyeing up the big agnes rapide tent floor pad. The weight and cost savings compared to two single Rapides is quite appealing.
7:06 I did put my rapide on snow at 20F. I went inside at 3am. I felt cool from below but my arm on top was cold-I think because I got a draft (user error). I was in the women's nemo disco 15 (comfort rating 17F) and I wore thick pants and a thin long sleeved shirt).
My pad would probably keep me warmer if it wasn't 12'' taller than me. Even more of it is exposed because I sleep with knees very bent on my side. I'm also just a very tiny person, so it's a tiny body trying to heat a large volume of air. I haven't heard anyone talk about that on youtube.
Anyway, I put a layer of mylar bubble wrap on TOP of the pad and felt MUCH warmer when I laid on the cold pad for 20 minutes the other day. It takes a long time to heat up the air pad, but when you're on a layer of bubble wrap, you don't have to, and you feel warm almost instantly. I have yet to try that for a full night because our temps warmed up, but if it really works, it means I can truly make it a 4 season pad for free using those reflective bubble wrap envelopes from the food boxes. The bonus is that the mylar bubble wrap, while not capable of keeping you warm on snow with one layer, could probably keep you safely alive with 2-3 layers...at least it probably could for me because i weigh 100 pounds and don't pop it. I think as long as you distributed your weight, anyone could carefully lay on it without popping it.
I had some baffles blow out on my Uber Lite. They replaced it under warranty, but I’m not sure I trust it. I’m using a Neo X-Lite now.
I bought the BA AXL Air last year. Hate it. 1- It's noisy as hell. Fabric rubs with the tent bottom and it's just loud as hell. 2- Air fill/empty plug just sucks for emptying. Honestly, very expensive pad, great size and weight, good R-value, HORRIBLE NOISE WHENEVER YOU MOVE. Great videos!
hard to beat the weight, pack size and r value of the uber light right. especially for bikepacking
Great video thanks!! I see the reviews and popularity etc of these models, but then when you go over what you thought of them I"m like "THAT is exactly the info I wanted and would have found out if I was there in person checking them out" but YOU DID which is why we freaking watch reviews and appreciate what you do man. I would have made the exact same decisions for the same reasons. So, thanks a lot!!! Keep em coming!
I purchased the Big Agnes Rapide SL. I was able to use it on a cold night and was happy with it. So thank you for all your honest reviews. They are very helpful. Love watching all your vidoes.
I personally really love my Nemo Tensor insulated pad
My first NTI, the welds sprung a leak on the first trip! Hoping the replacement NTI does better or I’m ditching it for the BA Rapide
Amusingly, I think that was once Dan's all time favorite. Its a great pad!
@@snlzach2205 Sorry to hear that! I have actually heard similar things from others, but have had no issues with mine and sleep so well. I have been very comfortable down to low 20s (Haven’t tried any lower than about 22 degrees). I also baby my pad, use a thin foam pad underneath, and only weigh 165 pounds wet, so I’m sure all that helps. Lol
So do I!
Same. Got mine in the reg/wide since I’m a side sleeper!
I backpacked forever with my old Thermarest self inflating 1" thick pad. Hot or cold - same pad. I recently bought a Rapid SL long wide. DUDE! such a nice pad!
Im a fat guy and like to sleep on my side and I have thermarest pads and the rapide sl (25x72) and I must say that rapide is by far the most comfortable of the pads I own and have used. I don't think of the weight being any issue, when you weigh as much as I, you don't notice that minor differences. I'd buy 30"x72" if they'd only made one😁
I feel the same, the Rapide is head and shoulders above any pad Ive tried in terms of comfort. I didnt think sleeping pads could compete with my bed til I slept on a Rapide.
Do you happen to know how much weight the 25x72 rapide can take? I've currently got the tent floor version (50x78 tapered) for a 2p tent that's really comfortable but I'm wondering if it's too much size wise.
@@BananaSixx well I have not tested anything heavier than myself, so at least 280 pounds.
Dan, since you love your tiny pump, help your buddy out, and attach the plastic nozzle to the intake port of the pump. They will all fit both ports. Then you can suck all the air out and roll it up tight like the day you bought it! - Ron
Rapide SL for me! super confy, it can be deflated(adjusted) anytime during use to make it even more soft. Edges are great and prevent me from falling off and it has some insulation too for colder nights.
Dont think there's a better pad for me than this 👍
Literally just ordered mine after having two other pads that just didn’t quite meet the mark
you have the wide? or reg? i got reg and often feel like im falling out
@@jon6123 wide ofc
That big Agnes is $350 here in Nz!😆
First off, Dan THANK YOU! Watching your videos has encouraged me to get out and start backpacking. I completed my first overnighter today and slept on a Rapide SL. I slept good, but realized I was having some hip pain. I remembered your love for 2 pillows and so I made do with a fleece and a stuff sack. BINGO pain gone. I'm ordering my 2nd pillow now. Keep the content coming!
I get all kinds of pain too...
Do you think it could have been that you filled it with air below your body temp and then your body temp heated the air and made it too firm? I've had that happen. The temperature change has a dramatic effect on the volume and therefore pressure inside the pad. I got a free (with shipping) inflatable pillow, and it just wasn't enough for my head when I'm camping, but I actually use it between my knees in my bed every night now, and I LOVE it..Regular pillows and body pillows can end up way too hot, or you get tangled up in them...
Big Agnes didn’t backup a defective pad. Said they wouldn’t look at it for 4 months after I sent it back unless I bribed them with a $50 expedited evaluation fee. I’m done with them. I took the loss and got a Thermarest. Been very happy with it. P.s., I won’t be writing a letter back to them like you did there.
Don't go ultralight with spelling Dan. I thought you always value comfort more.
As a big side sleeper who loves the cold my go to pad is definitely the sea to summit etherlite xt extreme 👍 such an amazing pad , don't care about weight if I sleep well
Honestly know how this channel doesn’t have that many subs yet. Honest no BS reviews, good talking flow and informative content. Great job.
This guy famously has more subs than almost anyone else in the outdoor/backpacking space…
Paria Products makes a 23" x 76" x 4" pad with an R value of 4.7 which cost right at $95 UD dollars although it weighs 26 oz.
I own one and it works great!
Paria Outdoors Recharge pads are a way better budget pad choice than Klymit pads. More comfortable, more warm and lighter
Thank you for giving the ASTM rating for the Klymit instead of the overinflated (pun intended) value they give on their website.
I can attest to the warmth of the Thermarest Neo. I have that exact mattress in Large due to being 6'5 220. I have had it down to 12 degrees on frozen ground with nothing but a tarp under and sleeping in a 3 sided pole tent. My bag was the Outdoor Vitals 15 degree stuffed into a GI Gortex Biivvy. I sweat my buns off until I took off my sweat shirt and stripped to base layer. After that toasty warm. In the warmer months 50 and above, I have learned to just lay directly on the pad and just sleep in the bivvy by itself. Once that pad warms up with your body heat it is like sleeping on your own little heater. I am actually shopping for a lighter and smaller mattress just for the warmer months due to , why take the weight penalty?
I can attest to the XTherm. I took a late season Yellowstone trip (Late October) last year and had temps down into the single digits, on snow, and it felt like having a heating pad under me. By far, the best sleeping pad for the cold I've ever used. I've cowboy camped on snow with nothing between the pad and the ground surface. Durable, check.
I can't speak to any of the others as I don't really camp in the summer, at least not at low elevation. :)
Gotta love them 'Buget' sleeping pads 🤣😜
It’s spelled BUJIT
I’m surprised the Tensor didn’t make the cut. I thought Dan was a big fan of that pad.
I’m taking the Rapide SL into low 40s/high 30s in a couple weeks. I expect the rapide to perform well. I’m also a side sleeper. So I’ll try to remember to report back when I get back.
Also taking a 30* HG quilt which might be pushing it but we’ll see.
You should be ok. Remember that you can also change the stiffness of the bag really quick and easy. I had it too pumped up but once I let some air go I got some of the best sleep I've ever had
Did you go? Anything to report?
Anything to report?
Sorry yes - the Rapide SL and 30* HG quilt worked well in the low 30 degree range for me.
Just to give you an idea of what I’m wearing to bed - I ended up picking up a balaclava over the winter also but usually just used a beanie and gloves. Slept in my underwear, socks, base shirt and microgrid fleece most nights.
Why no Nemo tensor? I bought the pad because you said it was your favorite, but it's not even on this list 🧐
Which model is the orange Patagonia shirt / hoodie you're wearing?
I love my XTherm for colder weather, and I've tried the Uberlite (purchased two and have returned both) due to a lack of durability. The first one was fine for me on a number of tests at home, but it sprung a leak on the first night of the first trip I took it out on. Then I decided to give it a second chance and the second one had a faulty valve and never held air even the first time I inflated it at home. I haven't tried any Big Agnes pads, but I love my Sea to Summit Ether Light XT (most comfortable pad I've owned) for 3 seasons.
I used the NeoAir UL on the JMT without testing first (I know). Horrible mistake. Not much different than a foam pad and absolutely killed back after a few days. Not worth the weight savings vs my tensor. My wife used the static V Luxe and loved it. The size of a small air bed, and the weight to match but probably worth being well rested.
Hey Dan!
I been watching your videos and really enjoy the info you provide and value your opinion.
Which is why I went and bought a Rapide too. Excellent pad. You are right, very comfortable. Got the 20X72 and being a side sleeper the narrow doesn’t bother me at all. I love it. And it packs down smaller which is a plus. Coming from a 2 1/2 inch thick mat, the difference is night and day.
I use it for moto camping so the weight isn’t an issue but size makes a difference.
Thanks for the advice. Keep up the good work.
Why not the Big Agnes Air Core Ultra for the value pad? Also $100, 4.5r value, the regular is 22oz, 3 1/4” thick with thicker out baffles, durable outer shell, and rather quiet. Usual best choice for anyone not familiar with sleeping pads and willing to spend for proper kit but not almost double the price to shave some weight.
I bought BIG AGNES RAPIDE SL and used it last week for the first time - it was around 0 celsius outside and (very unpleasant surprise) I felt cold. It seemed like the pad is full of cold air and no insulation, it was cold at the pressure point where my body touched the pad. I did not see if the reflective film fell on to the ground, but it felt like that. I did a ton of research before buying one and nobody mentioned any warmth problems. Is the reflective film problem has ALL THE RAPID SL pads or just few, should I send it to warranty? What do you think? Thank you.
I switched to the Rapide. Took it on the Pinhoti trail this weekend and got the best sleep ever. I'm a side sleeper so I love the thickness it was also quiet.
The Big Agnes Rapide has recently updated their range to make it slightly lighter and smaller packed, but also increased the R rating to 4.8. Look for 24 in the MPN. We bought the double wide as we bikepack as husband and wife, and it is an amazing pad. Thanks Dan!
I do mostly motorcycle camping, so I use the Nemo Cosmo 3-D which is 30” x 80” and I sleep good, but still have a few aches and pains in the morning. I’ve thought about adding a foam pad for underneath. Have you ever tried that combination…?
My question too! I primarily backpack/hike, but I'm a side sleeper with wide hips and a chronic pain disorder. I'm very interested in solutions for hips digging into the ground. I've been considering the same fix of an air pad on top of a foam pad.
I do this, it doesn't help a lot only if you have a really thick one but that's too bulky. It's just warmer.
I bought the NeoTherm Max a few weeks back.... excited to use it - is there such a thing as too insulated/ too warm for sleeping pads during warm months? Do I need a cooler pad for next summer? Thanks for the killer content Dan...
Not a bad idea. I left a comment mentioning that exact topic. You will absolutely love that pad though.
Yup there is! I sleep on my Xtherm Max with my sleeping bag on top and not in as its way to warm. Best bit of kit I've bought TBH. 😉
Do you find it loud? I was thinking of getting that one or the Nemo insulated
I called Big Agnes for the material specs: The Rapide SL Insulated uses a 40 denier fabric on both sides.
The only piece of gear in my kit that I don't care about size or weight is my sleeping pad. All I care about is comfort! Also with a little more weight comes more durability which is also always a plus when it comes to what you are sleeping on. That's why I have the BA Rapide SL normal wide!!
I’m actually shocked the Nemo Tensor didn’t make this list.
He mentions it in his last sleeping pad video. Something about the tensor being more thin and the sides aren’t really raised. Just purchased the tensor and took it back and got the rapid. And I’m a Nemo fan
@@joshdonathan7311 that’s great feedback. Thank you!
I LOVE that the double Big Agnes rapide SL is made for their tapered 2P tents. Most comfortable night sleep in the outdoors. Worth not skimping on your sleep system just like your bed at home.
I have the same pad and completely agree
Unless you are seriously camping great chanks of a year I would put this money towards your bed mattress and just get decent camping mattress for 1/3 of this preposterous price. Fanny how your best picks are the most expensive once.
I'm surprised that there was no mention about the Nemo Tensor. I specifically bought two of them based off of your recommendation in one of your previous videos. Has your opinion changed about the Nemo Tensor or do you have updated information that you can share?
Dan. I have a bad back and traditionally use a hammock while camping. I’m going to the Tetons to hike and camp. What are your recommendations for comfort for bad backs. I’m around 6’2” and 220lbs Thx for any help.
You should review the big Agnes, insulated Q core deluxe
Hi Dan! Been enjoying your videos for the last 6 months. Just purchased a new Big Agnes Q Core Deluxe sleeping pad (25X72) at a really great price ($95) and I'm excited to use it on my first hot tent adventure of the 2022/23 winter season here in Ohio. I may have missed it in one of your videos, but I can't seem to locate a review from you on this particular pad? I know you enjoy and highly recommend both the Q Core SLX and Rapide by Big Angus. I almost bought the Rapide, but after comparing specs, reviews and price, I felt to go with the Q Core Deluxe since it is being discontinued. If you have done a review, I'd love to hear your take! Specifically in comparison to these other pads. Keep up the great work. Really enjoying your channel and just subscribed. Not sure what took me so long? LOL. Patrick
Thanks, Patrick! Really appreciate it!
Very surprised the Nemo Tensor didn't make the list.
Just spent a weekend on the Nemo Tensor Ultralight and it was SO crinkly and loud that my neighbors complained about it. Not doing that again.
My mistake, thru 10/9/22... dyslexic fingers...lol.
Uberlite is a big joke! Mine popped inside and pad lost the shape(it bexame one big bubble) after few nights. No warranty from Thermarest.😂
I honestly use the 40 oz 30 inch wide big Agnes boundary deluxe, call me crazy
where is the Exped synmat? my go to pad. 3+ r rating, NOT NOISY, rectangle shape 25", *living room style comfort* ( my mantra ) yabadaba doo.
I have an uberlite that delaminated.sending it to thermarest for repair. Had it for 3 yrs and is pretty comfy.
The Neo Air X-therm Max is $550 in Australia
Yes Emmitt! Thank you! That is the whole reason I returned a Thermarest Uberlite (old valve). It was so difficult and annoying to deflate! I never hear anyone talking about that. Went to the 25” Nemo Tensor Insulated and never looked back. Why wasn’t that pad mentioned? Super comfortable and deflates in a flash.
I have a thermo rest and find it very comfortable however how does a person become a member of the Dan Becker backpacking equipment library of no returns? Asking for a friend😎
Can some one please tell me what quilt you match with the big angus zoom for 3 Sesons. Thank you
No Nemo Tensor ???? 4.2 R 2022 is awesome 😎
So mu family has the big Agnes sleeping pads and noticed how noisy they are at night. How can that be fixed..
You crack me up! Makes it easier to watch complete reviews when humor/sarcasm is used!!
Hey Dan, Totally agrees with you on the Rapide. It’s been a game changer for me, simply love it. After watching you talking high praises on the Thermarest pillow I went and bought it online from Germany (I’m living in Denmark, and the pillow isn’t sold here). But then I read on the instructions that if I’ve wanted more loft, I should put it in the washer. Have you tried that? And does it work? I’m a bit sceptic 🤨. Great show btw love it 👍🏻
Hey! I have not tried to put it in the wash. But if the instructions say to do it, then I would say, go for it!
I tried it and oh my, it works !
Trying to decide between the rapide and the a core SPX deluxe . Anyone have any opinions on these pads ?
Nothing on OV's sleeping pad??? Tayson!!!!
Just used the big Agnes Rapide this past weekend and it was a really really comfortable sleep. I got the long and wide version
Hi Dan! Have you tried the new Rapide SL with 4.8 R Value?
This definitely helped me decide that I am indecisive about what pad to buy. Will probably buy Rapide SL😊
Looks like it has no anu too painfull compromises, if you pair it with a good folding pad, you can use either one or bolth, together or separatedly.
About the denier of big agnes i have email them about it, and they says the rapid sl is 30 denier
Does the XTherm not make horrible noise?
Best Pad..? Big Agnes Q Core 30x78! Big Agnes baffles run vertical (head to foot) very comfortable! ThermARest baffles run side to side, not nearly as comfortable. Oh yea.. I’m a moto-camp guy, don’t care about weight as much; That why I also carry a OneTigres lightweight cot with extension legs.
Love your channel. EXPED Dura 8 and Downmat 9 are my favorite. I live in Alaska and backpack down to -30F no heat int tent. They do not deflate at all once you inflate them. Silent, comfy, 3 " high. Blows Thermorest out of the water. My least favorite Sea to Summit Ether Light Insulated. Rolling around on a plasic bag of Fritos.
I thought the nemo tensor was one of your favorite sleeping pads. Why isn't it one of the 3? I mean you have whole vids dedicated to the tensor AND it's the pad listed in your gear list in the description.
Rapide is quite new model, I believe, so might have something to do with it replacing that tensor.
@@randomichannel I didn't realize it was all that new... thanks!
Love my thermarest and my big agnes BUT the KLYMITE IS SO NOT CONFORTABLE !!!! bought it on your recommendation and worst 2 night outside !!! lol Team hammock anyway ! Thank you ! good video !
dude add pls measurements in metric system
not everyone understand your american eagles per square hamburger
Rapide SL vs Q-core Deluxe. They look almost the same. Which would you recommend.
Rapide is 4.2 r value and the q core is 3.2 r value. Rapide is warmer but a bit heavier. Both are similar in comfort. So it depends how cold you’re gonna camp.
The newer version Q-Core Deluxe Insulated has an R value of 4.3. I couldn't find any real differences between that and the Rapide SL, so i went with the Deluxe just because of the color lately and I absolutely love it.
I bought the deluxe. It's super nice. The top feels rougher so you don't slide around on top. The difference between the 2 is mainly the materials used. It's heavier but feels more durable.
I've slept in the Uberlite close to freezing (and strong winds) without problems and I like to sleep warm.
Opinion on Rab sleeping pads?
Exped mats are not available in the US?
What happened to the highly praised Nemo mattresses?
Theses videos are perfect for trying to figure out which one to get! I personally have the REI Co-op AirRail Plus Self-Inflating Sleeping Pad. Took it to Africa in 70 degree nights and was good. Comfort level 3.5/5. When I took it to Cottonwood lakes and another trip, it was low 40s I was definitely colder than expected on it. R-value of 3.3. I’m leaning towards Big Agnes Rapide for my March 3-5 trip.
I thought you liked the Nemo?
... .. "Nemo Tensor Alpine" .. Tops all those ...IMO of course ..
Is that Latin? 🤔
@@withoutfurtheradoforever ... only for you ...
The issue I have found with the alpine is additional noise for such a small gain in r value, would rather see this solidly over 5. Isn’t noisy exactly, but the main reason for the tensor is to have a light, quiet, warm, and comfortable pad over the xlite, and heading in the wrong direction for me.
Don't buy anything Klymit. Their ASTM certified R-Values prove that even their insulated pads shouldn't be used earlier than late spring and later than early fall. Go get the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra 20x72 for $100 and call it a day. ASTM Certified 4.5 R-Value.
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I love the Nemo Tensor and the S2S Ether.. very comfy!!!
I slept direct on snow with the rapide and felt the cold soaking through underneath. Comfy as hell but probably more a 3 season unless you have a thin bit of foam under it to help it out.
I am wondering if u have tried any of the Zenbivy mattresses yet. Your video testing the light sheet and quilt on the Big Agnes Rapide as well as your video with Mike Glavin have definitely helped to sell me on the Zenbivy system. Comfort is critical for me with warmth to weight ratio being very close second. I’ll be riding around the continental US on my DR650 indefinitely, perhaps diving into Central America, definitely riding as far north as Oregon, camping as frequently as possible (every night, weather and laws permitting). Would any of the Zenbivy mattresses parallel the Big Agnes Rapide?
You never mention Exped ultra series. It is the best series, way better than Nemo tensor insulated. Light and warm, quiet and wide. If xtherm is too noisy. Pick Exped ultra R7 R9
G'day from Australia. Really like your honest reviews and not too serious. I had my first experience with the Sea to Summit Ether Lite Xt which was comfortable but the NOISE when I turned over kept everyone around me awake! I need the thickness of the Rapid SL as I am 6'3 220 do any of these have less noise than another? I like the S2S and I may as well keep it if the ones you reviewed are as loud? Thanks again
How does the Big Agnes compare to the Sea to Summit Ether Light XT as far as comfort? I know you had the black 6.whatever R one and it was cold for you. But which is more comfortable? I am a summer and possibly late spring/early fall backpacker, at least currently. I sleep on my side. I have a Nemo Cosmo insulated (the one from like 8 years ago with the built in foot pump) and it's been great but I still wake up a little uncomfortable throughout the night. My arm sometimes falls asleep, I toss and turn. But in the mornings I don't feel as if I slept poorly.
I want max comfort, insulated for the Washington state mountains, not much more than 2lbs, not as large as that black Ether you tested. The Big Agnes is pretty much what I would be going for max spec wise. Any other thoughts for max comfort?
Are any of these great for side sleepers? Tired of feeling the hard floor through my pad
Thats exactly what I want to know. Unfortunately I havent caught a video that goes over that or whether the bag slides off easily or stays in place.
The Rapide SL and Q-Core pads all perform great for side sleeping.
Sea to Summit Ether Light XT and the extreme version for winter.
I have the Xtherm and it destroyed my shoulders. It's definitely warm but it's not comfortable for me. Picked up the S2S and it's been awesome
Thanks for this review. Debating between the Repide & Zoom UL. Have you tried the Zoom? I love how much lighter it is but wonder about the noise of the Zoom vs. Repide.
The intro lmfao
Frankly, if you take a few minutes, and use a trowel or a camp shovel to shape the dirt to the curves and hollows of your body, you can sleep comfortably on a $10 blue pad from Walmart.
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My son gave me a BA Rapide SL for Christmas. I’m looking forward to getting out as soon as possible to give it a shot!
Great video and very informative. Wish you’d talk a bit more on comfort on the pads. Light is great but if uncomfortable whats the point?
Ah great. Apparently it's weight googling time.
Would be great if editing could add Celsius and grams in the future.
I own the Uberlite and Klymit and yep.. I agree :)
The Klymit Insulated Static V Lite Sleeping Pad is $59.99 thru 10/8/22 at Costco.
The problem with the Big Agnes Rapide SL I found is that if you move onto your side you will slide around quite a bit. The surface appears to be too smooth and if you move around alot you're going to slide around.
I would like you to review the new Exped pads. Have them send you some free gear... Specifically the dura8 and ultra7
I have a Thermarest Neoair and a Sea To Summit, both insulated. I will never, ever consider going out (much less in winter/snow) with an additional eva foam mat for additional protection. Doesn't need to be the uber thick and rigid mats... a Zrest or even a flimsy generic YOGA mat will do wonders. If you happen to puncture one of those mats in subzero temps, you are up to a miserable cold night with no sleep at all. If you are also going to set up camp on rocks (which is a common occurence in alpine terrain) this will provide additional protection to the inflatable one. Great review though.
On the rapide SL as I make this comment. Currently on a 3 week field camp for my degree and man o man have I never had beeter sleep while camping! So go infact that we had a bear go through our campsite, terrorize one of our classmates, had a tazor go off and it wakes everyone up, and I slept through the entire thing! Amazing sleeping pad.
You'll crazy for paying those prizes...!!