Late reply, but years ago my brother claimed such a thing happened. He thought it was because he was wearing a specific mask (I can't remember which one), but we could never make it happen again and I thought he was full of it. I guess the joke's on me lol
@@ScrambledAndBenedict I calculated a chance of 1 in 10,000,000 races. If so, dang, very likely your brother got the only one blue dog victory by human. Edit: there are more than 14.5 million sold, + emulations. Some people may have never got a race on, some may have run multiple times. There could be up to 5 or 6 blue dog wins by humans, your brother may have made history.
really interesting. i always wanted to pick blue dog or yellow dog bc they are the most interesting looking, but even as a dumb kid i learned that blue dog usually didn't win. didn't realize it was literally never. the dog race is possibly the most fun and peaceful part of the game, and it was really cool learning about the logic the game uses to determine a winner. i didn't know it was so complicated
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I feel like this could be automated en masse by running many instances of this game on emulators with auto inputs (would probably require a beefy CPU), probably with frameskip. Maybe you could have something that monitors the memory address for when the race starts and ends, and detect if the length of time is abnormally short. You could have a log dump that keeps track of each reset and also what reset number had a successful race. If you let it go for long enough you could probably then calculate just how rare it is not just for the race to end early, but also for the blue dog in particular to hit a "goldilock" coordinate. This would all be beyond anything I'd be capable of doing tho, and I could just be talking out of my ass with this idea lol.
Yeah, if Pannenkoek and the ABC crew can brute force ultra precise floating point angles for Mario 64 setups, than someone breaking down the code should definitely be able to replicate the environment of the dog race and find the necessary starting variables to get a Blue Dog win to trigger (if at all possible).
@@F-LambdaIt was very inefficient though, we're lucky it is more common than we thought. Falco used CPUs and ran the entire code because he wanted to see things well. If you just take the bare minimum code and GPUs instead, like he actually planned on doing after some days, it would have been much faster. That's what you need to do to look for one in a billion occurances.
I won the race first place first try no Mask of Truth on a recent playthrough and I have video proof of it. Im never doubting blind dumb luck again after that, unfortunately not with blue dog though
Of course I’m not a developer, but my guess is that since Majora’s Mask 3D is a full on remake they didn’t copy and paste variables and this just flew under the radar especially because 3D wasn’t made by Nintendo, it was made by a company called Grezzo. I think they gave an advantage to the gold dog but made every other dog run the same? Idk, but the running speeds are definitely not the same.
@@SamTRCAncient comment, but MM3D is a remaster built off of the original code, just like OOT3D, so it's an actual change of some sort, intended or otherwise.
Not sure if I just missed it, but what _are_ the multipliers for the dog's condition? I assume it's still not enough to make up for Blue dog's defficit?
I mostly left that part out of the video as it ended up being a little long-winded and irrelevant, but essentially during the last quarter of the race each dog gets: 1. a speed multiplier proportional to how far behind 1st place it is, unless it has the bad condition 2. a 20% speed boost if it has the good condition, unless it's the very first dog to enter the last quarter For a full breakdown of the dog race mechanics, including some other stuff I didn't talk about, I suggest watching deathbasket's summary th-cam.com/video/2s6Tb0Y_1ok/w-d-xo.html
@@Vidya_James Okay ya, just for my own curiocity I took a look at the code to understand better how the speed mulitplier worked because I wasn't quite getting the "Proportional to how far behind 1st place" part. For others who are curious, the game has an internal counter that starts when the first dog hits the 3/4th mark which is about 10 seconds before the end of the race by my timing. I couldn't tell for sure, but from what I gather it increments every frame, i.e. 30 times per second. whenever a new dog crosses the 3/4th mark, it gives the dog a speed multiplier equal to [200 / 200 - counter] unles the counter is over 100 in which case the multiplier is 2. If Blue dog has a good condition (+20%) and gold dog has a bad condition (no final multiplier), blue dog still needs this final multiplier to be 1.25 to even match Gold dog's speed. A 1.25 multiplier would be when the counter is at 40 (about 1.33 seconds). Now, doing calculations on the time and speed of each dog is way outside my wheel house, but if we assume every other dog has a bad condition and blue dog has a good condition, _and_ blue dog crosses the 3/4ths mark over 1.33 seconds after the first place dog, I think it is theoretically possible for blue dog to win without the glitch; and that might just be the holy grail of MM dog racing.
It is not really hard or impossible. All you need is the mask of truth and the dog that says something along the lines of I know I can win. Select that dog and you will win every game.
No but someone did actually win legit with just pure RNG took forever running emulators on multiple pcs and running the race super fast obviously to save time took a long time still though true blue dog win
blue dog cant win because he is afflicted with sugma
What is sugma?
@@poo5630 sugma ballz
@@witchdodo You...
@@poo5630 btw what was the name of this guy who stole the bomb bag in north clock town on night 1 again ? i can't remember :/
@@witchdodo You...
He did it. After all these years he did it…
Hi from the future. It happened.
holy shit
He did! ^^
prophet
Concise and informative. You have a very good voice for this too. Very enjoyable video overall.
Late reply, but years ago my brother claimed such a thing happened. He thought it was because he was wearing a specific mask (I can't remember which one), but we could never make it happen again and I thought he was full of it. I guess the joke's on me lol
lol so has he let u live it down yet
@@FalconFlyer75 He's never going to find out about this one lmao
@@ScrambledAndBenedicthe might if he watches the other video. your comment gets put on blast 😂
@@ScrambledAndBenedict
I calculated a chance of 1 in 10,000,000 races.
If so, dang, very likely your brother got the only one blue dog victory by human.
Edit: there are more than 14.5 million sold, + emulations.
Some people may have never got a race on, some may have run multiple times.
There could be up to 5 or 6 blue dog wins by humans, your brother may have made history.
really interesting. i always wanted to pick blue dog or yellow dog bc they are the most interesting looking, but even as a dumb kid i learned that blue dog usually didn't win. didn't realize it was literally never. the dog race is possibly the most fun and peaceful part of the game, and it was really cool learning about the logic the game uses to determine a winner. i didn't know it was so complicated
My dad has actually seen the blue dog wins
I heard that if you pick blue dog and it wins, he turns into Star Fox.
It's feasible!!!!
We found the guy.
My dad works at Nintendo and he says the blue dog has 1/1000000000000000 chance of winning every race.
@@Sannspoof Falco.
Had to watch this after watching the blue dog win video.
This has the same energy as a Lowest Percent video and I am absolutely here for it.
The blue dog might have sub-optimal stats.
But did he ever give up?
blue dog for life
All it took was picking the blue dog 30,000 times in a row.
All it took was a little bit of belief.
Over 10,000,000 actually
30,000 only after selecting exclusively when beige and grey dogs got 3 of the "good" status and blue got the fourth.
This was really interesting!
Where it all began. A legend has been born.
I've seen the blue dog come in as high as fifth a few times (never better than that) and one time he got fifth when I bet on him
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I feel like this could be automated en masse by running many instances of this game on emulators with auto inputs (would probably require a beefy CPU), probably with frameskip. Maybe you could have something that monitors the memory address for when the race starts and ends, and detect if the length of time is abnormally short.
You could have a log dump that keeps track of each reset and also what reset number had a successful race. If you let it go for long enough you could probably then calculate just how rare it is not just for the race to end early, but also for the blue dog in particular to hit a "goldilock" coordinate.
This would all be beyond anything I'd be capable of doing tho, and I could just be talking out of my ass with this idea lol.
Yeah, if Pannenkoek and the ABC crew can brute force ultra precise floating point angles for Mario 64 setups, than someone breaking down the code should definitely be able to replicate the environment of the dog race and find the necessary starting variables to get a Blue Dog win to trigger (if at all possible).
2 years later: yeah, this was basically how it was done!
@@F-LambdaIt was very inefficient though, we're lucky it is more common than we thought.
Falco used CPUs and ran the entire code because he wanted to see things well.
If you just take the bare minimum code and GPUs instead, like he actually planned on doing after some days, it would have been much faster. That's what you need to do to look for one in a billion occurances.
I won the race first place first try no Mask of Truth on a recent playthrough and I have video proof of it. Im never doubting blind dumb luck again after that, unfortunately not with blue dog though
High quality content right here - though oof good luck to anyone trying to brute force this problem by hand.
surprise, someone did and pulled it off.
This challenge was just as bad as the snowpeak race in Twilight Princess!
What’s different about MM3D that allows Blue Dog a chance 2 win unlike the og?
Of course I’m not a developer, but my guess is that since Majora’s Mask 3D is a full on remake they didn’t copy and paste variables and this just flew under the radar especially because 3D wasn’t made by Nintendo, it was made by a company called Grezzo. I think they gave an advantage to the gold dog but made every other dog run the same? Idk, but the running speeds are definitely not the same.
@@SamTRCAncient comment, but MM3D is a remaster built off of the original code, just like OOT3D, so it's an actual change of some sort, intended or otherwise.
Not sure if I just missed it, but what _are_ the multipliers for the dog's condition? I assume it's still not enough to make up for Blue dog's defficit?
I mostly left that part out of the video as it ended up being a little long-winded and irrelevant, but essentially during the last quarter of the race each dog gets:
1. a speed multiplier proportional to how far behind 1st place it is, unless it has the bad condition
2. a 20% speed boost if it has the good condition, unless it's the very first dog to enter the last quarter
For a full breakdown of the dog race mechanics, including some other stuff I didn't talk about, I suggest watching deathbasket's summary th-cam.com/video/2s6Tb0Y_1ok/w-d-xo.html
@@Vidya_James Okay ya, just for my own curiocity I took a look at the code to understand better how the speed mulitplier worked because I wasn't quite getting the "Proportional to how far behind 1st place" part.
For others who are curious, the game has an internal counter that starts when the first dog hits the 3/4th mark which is about 10 seconds before the end of the race by my timing. I couldn't tell for sure, but from what I gather it increments every frame, i.e. 30 times per second. whenever a new dog crosses the 3/4th mark, it gives the dog a speed multiplier equal to [200 / 200 - counter] unles the counter is over 100 in which case the multiplier is 2.
If Blue dog has a good condition (+20%) and gold dog has a bad condition (no final multiplier), blue dog still needs this final multiplier to be 1.25 to even match Gold dog's speed. A 1.25 multiplier would be when the counter is at 40 (about 1.33 seconds).
Now, doing calculations on the time and speed of each dog is way outside my wheel house, but if we assume every other dog has a bad condition and blue dog has a good condition, _and_ blue dog crosses the 3/4ths mark over 1.33 seconds after the first place dog, I think it is theoretically possible for blue dog to win without the glitch; and that might just be the holy grail of MM dog racing.
Hey cool vid, make more :D
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It is not really hard or impossible. All you need is the mask of truth and the dog that says something along the lines of I know I can win. Select that dog and you will win every game.
No but someone did actually win legit with just pure RNG took forever running emulators on multiple pcs and running the race super fast obviously to save time took a long time still though true blue dog win