Edits: GHL has nearly 21cuft cargo Pilot has HUD on elite trim. '23 Pilot has 22' cargo. I left in the cargo for the old gen. I forgot to put the Explorer in the Tier list. It's a solid B. Interior holds it back from A. Korean twins use 3.8, not 3.6
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 - Every car used heavily as a POLICE INTERCEPTOR (even the Dodge Charger and Durango) will have "the cop look". Just watch the Crown Vic or the Plymouth Fury of yesteryear.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 - especially the rear "mask" LED ones. My "State" Police Department uses both Charger and Durango and everyone KNOWS those rear headlights a mile away, even if they're not cops.
Thanks for the side by side comparison. I’ve had two Atlas’s and would argue there’s a lot to love, especially in the cargo room. I also purposed to buy the 4 cylinder with each, since the power is more than adequate and the added economy makes it well worth it. Seems to me other manufacturers (Honda) are finally realizing SUV owners want something that looks like an SUV, which the Atlas has done very well.
Well done Kirk. As an engineer, you had me at "spreadsheet", however even the non-engineer family members loved this video. It is a quality production video to be sure but what really makes this presentation stand out is that people who are looking for a vehicle in a particular category (like 3 row family haulers) appreciate a comprehensive comparison between all current candidates. Even brand loyal buyers enjoy these comparisons if for no other reason than to validate their choice. It just so happens that we are interested in replacing my wife's 2014 Durango with a large 3 row replacement crossover, so this video is quite timely. I agree with you too that the Grand Highlander is near, if not at, the top of this group. A prime version would clinch the deal for me for sure. You are to be commended for this video. I rarely subscribe but today is one of those days that I did.
Interesting when you navigate to the Toyota site for competitive comparison, you'll note the Jeep and Telluride are auto-filled. Grand Highlander Prime, it looks like they are leaving that for the Lexus TX
@@maga6319 outside of the fanboy stuff, the Grand Highlander is a good vehicle. Offers amazing cargo and passenger space with good powertrains. Very competitive compared to rivals such as the Koreans and the new Pilot.
To me, the Pilot would be the top pick. The simplicity, proven reliability, yet effectiveness of the drivetrain makes the most compelling. No batteries, turbos, or electric motors to worry about, not to mention cost of operation.
I'm loving this video Kirk! Amazing work! I also hope that the Grand Highlander Prime will show up at some point, or maybe even the GR Grand Highlander! (both mouthful!)
The Lexus version of the GH Prime (TX550h+) is slotted for their lineup, but I don't think it'll be available (just as the smaller RX450h+) from the start until Toyota gets enough battery material to expand the HSD Prime line of PHEV's. Whether this Prime HSD makes it into the Toyota brand lineup beyond the Rav4 in this generation is anyone's guess.
@@KirkKreifels Great question... although I haven't driven some of these (like the Grand Highlander and CX-90, both not out for media drives yet), my preference is the Grand Highlander, Pilot, Telluride, CX-90, and the Grand Cherokee (which is surprisingly good). Outlander would be close 6th. My view is more based on overall performance and driving character though… Once we both have a chance to drive the Grand Highlander and the CX-90, perhaps the ranking might change.
Yes, We need a GR Grand Highlander with a 300 hp 3 cylinder and 6 speed manual to keep the FUN in family vehicles. From the corporate perspective, spreading the 3 cylinder turbo and 6 speed AWD powertrain across more platforms will create production efficiencies. 😉😉😉
@@rightlanehog3151 - problem with using the GR 3-pot is that it maybe TOO SMALL to be used in such a large / heavy app as a Highlander / RX or a GH / TX. The T-1.6L 3-pot is a RACING-DERIVED engine with an amount of HAND-MADE CRAFTSMANSHIP in it (it may not scale up well in production) and probably not intended for mass market apps. Also the take % for manual transmissions on PEOPLE MOVERS like crossovers and minivans is so MINUSCULE that it will not make financial sense. A WET DUAL-CLUTCH automatic "may" make more sense if you want more fun for larger and HEAVIER apps.
Ascent - Very utilitarian and lots of room. I was surprised how much camping gear my buddy was able to pack into that thing. As a three-row, it doesn't do too well, but my buddy who is a family man loves his. Real world fuel economy is right around 26MPG. Jeep Grand Cherokee - It's a jeep. I know someone who bough one a year ago and it looks great inside and out (Not the L). But it went to the shop 3 times in the first two months. After one year of ownership, the thing rattles like an $80k tin can. I might be a little biased comparing it with my 4Runner TRD Pro, but the 4Runner still drives like brand new, no rattle, no creaks, build quality is superb. 4Runner is a year old now with 32k miles. It's a road trip machine! More like a fishing machine towing my kayaks to all sorts of places. I'd love to see what they do with the next gen 4Runner, but I don't like the thought of having a 4banger in there. That leaves me hoping for the 3.5TTV6 going into the next GX as long as they fix that rear door issue. Don't like the rear door opening up towards the curb.
Had the Ascent. Glad we leased it for 3 years. Has battery issues where the battery dies every week or two. Wife who didn't know how to pump gas to start became a pro at boosting a car. Lots of online forums and groups talking about this issue. Seems like they put a smaller battery in it and if lights or door is left open, it drains the battery (should have a timer and shut it down).
S: GHL, CX-90 A: PILOT, Telluride, Palisade B: Pathfinder, GCL, Explorer, C: Atlas, Ascent, Durango, Outlander I'm currently leasing a 2023 Pathfinder. Love it, but for more money, in order to save money on gas for long-term ownership, I will consider the Grand Highlander or CX-90 in Plug in trims. Driving experience is great in the 23 Pathfinder, but I feel like I have to drive it on Sport mode to enjoy it. 😉
@@rhymeskill Question, which is more powerful, more technologically advanced and more luxurious: Grand Cherokee L or Grand Highlander? Rhetorical question
Liking the Mazda even if the back looks minivanish. I never see the back of my car anyway, well except when I’m washing or waxing it. I’ve heard Explorers have had a bad rating since the refresh update. It continues to come up in the top 10 to stay away from do to tranny issues and electrical issues. Can ANYONE rebuke that? Please do.
Feel validated looking at your tiers. I purchased a 2021 Grand Cherokee L after thoroughly checking out and test driving the Atlas, Palisade, Telluride, Highlander (not GH - not out at the time) and Explorer. Not having a hybrid bothered me for all of 2 minutes because the design, luxury and tech more than made up for the low mpgs. I would agree with some commenters here that a price vs value based rating would take the level of your tiers up a notch. Had I a fixed budget, I may have ended up with a Palisade/Telluride (with the markup included) that pound for pound gave you the most comfort/options. Great video and keep up the good work! P.S I'm surprised at the lack of comments about the Jeep GCL on your video. A 1-year old used GCL Overland (what I purchased) with all the features ended up being cheaper than a brand new Palisade/Telluride. Similar mpg but more towing and better looking too.
Adding price range would help tremendously with the compare. I think the 2023 Atlas would rank higher on the tier list vs the upcoming 2024 you mentioned here. Great vid, thank you!
I almost agree with the list you have given Kirk. However, I would put the GH, Pilot, and the Koreans twins on the top tier. I would put the Grand Cherokee L a tier down because even though it’s large on the outside, it doesn’t necessarily translate to the cargo or passenger space that I personally would like. As for the Koreans, yes the side impact situation is a concern to me, however everything about them is good.
The Pilot’s use of the Acura super handling all wheel drive torque vectoring system wasn’t directly mentioned in the video but seems like a big advantage for that FWD based platform over the others(Kia/Hyundai). That alone would help it to compete with the CX-90 or Grand Cherokee L for driving dynamics. I know that Toyota uses a similar system in some of their Highlander models but I’m not sure it’s quite as performance oriented as the Honda system.
Kirk, I see your spreadsheet doesn't have much data on the VW Atlas full-sized crossover and another automotive channel I follow do compare the Grand Highlander with the Atlas as being "the largest in class". I can see it won't have "Toyota reliability", but the Atlas is more comparable as it dropped their VR6, just like Toyota dropped their V6 (the "9M" 2G LWB Lambdas* had kept available their V6). I do agree that the Chevy and Buick (along with the VW) compete with the larger Toyota as "largest in class". There are 2 WB (large enough difference) on the 9M's "Lambda": SWB (GMC and Cadillac) and LWB (Chevy and Buick). The Buick and Cadillac only have the V6, the Chevy and GMC have a T-2.0L as base with the V6 optional. You know already why there's no GH Prime (or TX500h+ from the start). That PHEV needs 18.1 kWh of "juice" and they're keeping what little battery material they have for their self-charging HSD's (they can put material for 11.5 self-charging HSD's in the same space as 1 Prime) and their few BEV's. That's why Toyota went the Turbo way (I'll call it HSD MAX) with a bit of "efficiency sacrifice". The JGC and the Durango come now from 2 RWD-based sources: both JGC's come from a cheapened Giorgio (Alfa Romeo Stelvio) platform, while the Durango still soldiers on on the modified last gen Mercedes GLS platform. * they have now another name but that Greek letter name for the OG sounds so distinctive, and it does include the Buick Enclave, which is the same size and have the same NA-3.6L V6 with nearly the same output (optional on Traverse, standard on Enclave)
GH will be even awesome with Dark crom night shade edition for SURE!! Honda needs to sell New Pilot as many as they could now until GH comes in the market.
This is the most informative and useful comparison of 3 row SUVs I have seen in recent times! Agree with most everything in the tiers except for CX-90 in the S tier purely because you are comparing 3 row SUVs and it's 3rd row seems to be smaller than every SUV in the A tier. Love for Toyota to make a Prime GH or for Honda to make a Pilot Hybrid. Looking forward to test driving the GH Hybrid and HybridMax when they are out. A couple of websites mentioned Pilot Hybrid coming out in early 2024. Have you heard anything about it? Thanks!
Kirk's take on the Durango is reasonably accurate. But here is the shocker regarding the lowly Durango according to TrueDelta: "The Durango had a pretty decent 2023. Sales were up 24% to almost 70,000 units making 2023 the best year ever for Durango. I'll repeat that, 2023 was THE BEST sales year ever for a vehicle on sale for 12 model years... That also means Dodge outsold the Acadia, Blazer, Atlas, Ascent, Passport, CX-90+CX-9 (combined), Enclave, and came within spitting distance of Pathfinder. By the time this 3-row Dodge ends production, it'll have been on sale for 15-years" Let's face it, despite a number of negative factors, a lot of folks like the Durango enough to buy one!
Not sold on these turbo 4 bangers. Was considering the 500h for my next lease but decided on the MDX Type S Advance. The Lexus was missing a v6, massaging seats, Brembos, a third row, and the amazing 25 speaker ELS stereo. My wife loves her 2022 NX 350h however, but the RX should of at least offered a v6 on the top end, and/or made the 500h the standard powertrain.
@@ytsux9259 well according to Automotive Press Dave who was a engineer for Toyota claims on his TH-cam channel that Mazda has stepped up their game and the quality they are now producing rivals Toyota.
Im happy with my 22 Highlander V6. Down the road, Im likely to look at either the Lexus TX or the truck based next iteration of the GX. That’s probably five years away 😂
I agree 100%, Toyota needs a prime version of this. Bigger picture they should be working on a prime version of their whole lineup. Not having ev would make me look at the CX-90 over the Grand Highlander.
'23 Pilot *does* have a head-up display on the Elite trim - lame that you have to pay $53 grand to get it though! And, the head-up display is smaller than its competitors.
I have a soft spot for Mitsubishi because I grew up with the Mitsubishi Montero (Pajero back in my home country) and want Mitsubishi to have a bigger SUV than the Outlander with the PHEV that can actually seat 7+ comfortably. I don’t think it’s gonna happen any time soon.
If I'm not mistaken only the gas powered Mitsubishi Outlander uses a CVT, the PHEV model uses a single-speed transmission. Anyways, I do think they should have a larger 3-row Crossover SUV to better compete with Highlander, Telluride, Pathfinder name. maybe revive the Endeavor nameplate for it. 😁
Since nowadays it seems Mitsubishi is only allowed to make "whatever Nissan can't or won't sell" it'd be difficult to see them making a 3 row crossover when there's the Pathfinder in US. Also it'd be expensive to design a brand-new RWD-based crossovers (a replacement Pajero / Montero SUV would be forbidden with the Patrol / Armada / QX80 there), as Mitsubishi and Nissan doesn't have a "suitable donor".
Its important to look at price because 3-10$k price difference is huge for most ppl. Subaru often makes up for their “ Subaruness” with their lower price
Right now I don’t have kids so I’m not worried about that and I was looking for a suv in this class that has good enough power, somewhat fun to drive, and enough space for my luggage when I go on long trips. I decided to buy a Dodge Durango R/T Plus back in 2020, I love this suv a lot. Yeah I know it’s not the safest nor the most reliable, but it gives me a smile on my face.
I put the telluride and palisade in S tier because of warranty and bang for the buck. Grand Cherokee would round out the S tier for me but with an asterisk because it's priced so high but I will admit it's better looking then the Korean models. Ranking unreleased cars doesn't make any sense to me, at this point they can be delayed enough to be rebranded as 2024 with the way the supply chains are, and plus, they're not out. I agree with the rest of the rankings
not much cargo space I would never sit in the 3rd row any of these that much closer to the back glass hope never get rear ended no doors to open windows to roll down no escape last time in a 3rd row I almost was car sick I can handle the middle of the2nd Row but I Ike a window to roll down and a door to open
outlander is a midsize 2 rows because it have optional third row, although it is smaller side so besides competing with santa fe, passport, it also competes with compact as well
@@KirkKreifels I wouldn't call that a reason why the Outlander would be considered a midsize. Just like how I wouldn't call the Pilot, Palisade, and Telluride as Sequoia and Armada rivals despite being the biggest from those brands
@@Blank00 - I do believe EPA has done interior room categories in cubic feet for crossovers and SUV's separate from those of other car variants. Today's Outlander, like the Rogue / Xtrail / QX50 - 55 where it comes from is a COMPACT CROSSOVER. Even the midsize crossovers (Kia Sorento is such a case) doesn't make a true 7 or 8 seater as their 3rd row is still "kids / teens-only') are not confortable. You have to go to the full-sized crossover category to find an adult-sized 3rd row (Andrea Spencer of Motormouth proved that point when she got on the 3rd row of a Grand Highlander at the Canadian Auto Show in Toronto) and even there it is "almost doable". The reason Kirk included the Outlander is that 3rd row (not available on Nissan or Infiniti variants, which were not included here) and the '23 inclusion of a Mitsubishi-made / designed PHEV system (it is based on the World Engine 2.4L, not on Nissan's 2.5L like the non-PHEV).
Makes perfect sense for it to be all hybrid. But I’d like to see the 2.4T in a TRD version. Not the barebones type like the current version. A proper TRD with all the bells and whistles for 42k. That would be awesome.
We have a 21 Ascent and thought the 3rd row was much more accommodating than the Highlander as well as the cargo space behind the 3rd row. However, I’m not exactly happy with the car. Excited to see the Grand Highlander, we’ll as excited as I can be for a family hauling SUV anyways.
Yeah the third row in the Ascent is usable. Not the best but not the worst. I think the Ascent is overall better than the Durango, sorento, traverse, and pathfinder.
I’ll go ahead and make one for you S: CX-90, Pilot, Grand Highlander, Highlander A: Atlas, Outlander, Ascent, Pathfinder B: Traverse, Acadia, Sorento C: Telluride, Palisade, Grand Cherokee L, Durango
@@KirkKreifels I mean, Atlas is going to be alright, it’s just when something breaks it’s gonna be expensive. Outlander will probably be like a rogue, same with pathfinder, Ascent should be borderline S and A. GMC and Chevy don’t have the best rep nowadays so they’re in B tier. I haven’t heard many complaints of a Sorento but Kia’s have a bad rep too. But as for a Palisade and Telluride, they have proven to be luxurious junk, I’ve seen many have issues with fires and their safety is not on par with the competition. Grand Cherokee L, omg literally a trainwreck of reliability issues. I have a friend that has had one for about a year now, it’s been in the shop THIRTEEN times. Durangos, I actually should have put that higher because they use a lot of older equipment and they aren’t as bad. Durango should be borderline of b and a tier
@@barbz_zayne The latest Atlas is a bit strange, it must be admitted that they look more luxurious and bigger, but there are too many piano blacks and the physical buttons are removed and replaced with a capacitive touchscreen, because apart from getting dirty easily it is also less effective, especially for those who are used to driving a car with physical buttons and know their position very well. and because too much technology doesn't mean it's good because if it breaks it will definitely be inconvenient, so many reviewers say that the Mercedes EQS is too weird, too much technology plus the lack of physical buttons so that the effectiveness and efficiency of its use is lacking.
I have to agree with Kirk. While the pathfinder is great it just doesn’t do anything well. I drove both a Pathfinder and a Pallisade for a week for rentals. While I liked the Pathfinder to me Nissan kept all of the best features and tech for the platinum trim where as Hyundai you can get most of the features in the middle trim. I’d buy a Pathfinder if I got a deal on it but be willing to pay sticker for the Pallisade.
Great video and information. I wish your spreadsheet had one more line item... Dimensions (Weight, Length, Width and Height) in imperial measurements or Freedom Units.
Length is the only one I'd probably include haha. Different trims change weight and height. The Cherokee L can have an air suspension which raises it a ton lol
The GM 3.6 is very troublesome. It's been out a long time but still has catastrophic timing chain issues. That should be on the very bottom of your list.
Awesome work going into this video.. Thanks a lot! Is it ok if you can share the excel sheet you used in the video? I'd like to add a few more cars to compare and you cover all the aspects I look for. Thanks
That would've made the video impossibly long. They all compare in price except for the entry of outlander, Sorento. Also the v8 models fetch the highest prices.
Just got 2023 Pathfinder SL with premium package. I was 95% happy with the purchase would put at A tier because of price point and what comes with it and Nissan's willingness to negotiate.
Hi Kirk and the people of the internet. Can you help me decide what would be the best long term buy (reliable) between a RAV4 hybrid and the new CRV hybrid. Thanks!
If you want overall quality space, and driving dynamics go CRV all day long. If you want a bit more features go rav4 but be prepared to sacrifice a lot
A very crowded market 3 rows,compact, mid size ,larger mid size, full size cross overs, add rear wheel drive base mid size full size and suburban size and add in the luxury segment ,few that have 2 row can opt a 3rd row comes down to coke , Pepsi, Red Bull vans nike one all ways buys the same over& over me im toyota ram HD trucks but might try Mazda as the CX 90 has a inline I-6 and went back to rear wheel drive
@@tinhinnh see the thing is, with the mild hybrid system that comes with the CX-90, even with AWD it gets 24 mpg city and 28 mpg highway with the inline 6. Its 23 mpg city with the 340 HP version with the same highway mpg. It’s a big plus when you think about it besides the PHEV. If Toyota already ditched the 6 cylinder in the GH then this might be a good contender for them. I’m also pretty sure the current CX-50 is made in the same US plant as Toyota’s RAV4 (I think?) since Mazda and Toyota made a manufacturing deal with each other. I have a feeling this will be the same with the CX-90 since this will also be a North-America-only car. Basically a better Toyota at that point performance-wise. Although we’ll have to wait for when we see them in person to get a much better idea for interior room.
I own a VW Atlas 2.0 TASI since 2018 and feels peppy for me. Before the Atlas I owned a 2011 Durango and the MPG difference is huge. What I regrets is not buying the 4x4.
Best SUV on this list is the Mazda CX-90 I6 then Grand Highlander, i wish Toyota would put that 3.4L V6 from the Sequioa in there mounted to that same 8 speed automatic. Toyota could own this 3-row segment with the Grand Highlander if they put the same powertrain from the Sequioa
Kirk, How many other 34 mpg, truly 3 row CUVs are out there? 🤔 In terms of getting 'excited', the Princeton, Indiana plant due to build these is so far behind in Sienna and Highlander production I cannot imagine them keeping up with demand for Grand Highlander and Lexus TX. Maybe Toyota will surprise us and outbid Subaru and McDonald's for Indiana production workers. 😉 Unless towing or off-roading are priorities, the Grand Highlander runs rings around the competition. 🤩
Great review. I have my focus on the Pilot with removable second row middle seat with $52k msrp and 21 combined mpg, but now having a second thought since the 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid with 34 combined mpg video came out. Once the price of the GH is out I can make better comparison. I will wait for your next review.
There's no 2.5L HSD of any kind for RWD apps (just the 3.4L V6 for the largest BOF apps). They could design HSD (Max)'s for the T-2.4L, but that would be new and more expensive to design since it's not there already.
In 10 years which one will sell for the most and be desired by most. None of the American cars forsure and the Honda needs an interior refresh ....... the Toyota will
This will start from the bottom of the rung to the top list: Outlander Ascent Traverse/Acadia Sorento Pathfinder Palisade/Telluride Explorer (RWD which I love, but it is still trash Atlas Durango Pilot Grand Cherokee Grand Highlander Mazda CX-90
@@arhamkhakwani5851 Kirk does a good job but I am going to list them with more emphasis on price and less on space and towing. it is weird but I will start on bottom also. Acadia Traverse Ascent Outlander Explorer Durango Atlas Pathfinder Telluride/Pallisade Sorento The top three CX90, Grand Highlander and Grand Cherokee are all so expensive it is hard to place them. Top if budget is not really a concern.
Where is the explorer on the list? I Agree those are clearly S tier and would love the Twin Turbo Ecoboost V6 to be in the S tier as well. Can’t wait to drive that CX-90
No doubt, the brand new Toyota Grand Highlander would be the leader and benchmark in this segment and the selling figure would be the total number of the second + third + fourth. Apart from the features and technology mentioned in the clip, the reliability and resell value of both Grand Highlander and Highlander are the best and strongest.
I can tell you bang for your dollar is the palisade !! You get more options other than hybrid. I've researched over the past few years and nobody offers as much. Plus I've owned 2 ravs 1 highlander all limited and have never received one with all things offered. So limited just means on the options you'll get.
Jeep GCL is B+ for me. If it comes with the new inline 6 available in the Wagoneer, then definitely A, and S only if it comes with PHEV, like the 2 row GC.
The problem is HOW interior space is used. The Palisade/Telluride have loads of cubic feet inside, yet they mounted the seats so close to the doors that there's 0 shoulder room. The Pilot is the same size yet has gobs more usable space. The 2023 regular Highlander suffers the same problem - there's plenty of space but the B pillar eliminates shoulder space and the back outer seat occupants are pressed against the doors. The Grand Highlander will be bigger - but if they use the standard Toyota/Lexus seating position (can't put your arms down to their sides) and keep moving features onto subscription services (at least for a while some Toyotas had physical remote start buttons on their key fobs that DIDN'T WORK unless you paid a subscription) it won't be as exciting as we hope.
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GHL has nearly 21cuft cargo
Pilot has HUD on elite trim.
'23 Pilot has 22' cargo. I left in the cargo for the old gen.
I forgot to put the Explorer in the Tier list. It's a solid B. Interior holds it back from A.
Korean twins use 3.8, not 3.6
to much 'cop car look
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 - Every car used heavily as a POLICE INTERCEPTOR (even the Dodge Charger and Durango) will have "the cop look". Just watch the Crown Vic or the Plymouth Fury of yesteryear.
@@syxepoptrue good point .. we all know the head lights designs
Lol, I guess it was (un)intentional.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 - especially the rear "mask" LED ones.
My "State" Police Department uses both Charger and Durango and everyone KNOWS those rear headlights a mile away, even if they're not cops.
No longer at this stage of life so there's no reason for me to be watching this, yet here i am. All this to say I enjoy your style Kirk 👍🏽.
Hahaha thanks so much!
Thanks for the side by side comparison. I’ve had two Atlas’s and would argue there’s a lot to love, especially in the cargo room. I also purposed to buy the 4 cylinder with each, since the power is more than adequate and the added economy makes it well worth it. Seems to me other manufacturers (Honda) are finally realizing SUV owners want something that looks like an SUV, which the Atlas has done very well.
Well done Kirk. As an engineer, you had me at "spreadsheet", however even the non-engineer family members loved this video. It is a quality production video to be sure but what really makes this presentation stand out is that people who are looking for a vehicle in a particular category (like 3 row family haulers) appreciate a comprehensive comparison between all current candidates. Even brand loyal buyers enjoy these comparisons if for no other reason than to validate their choice. It just so happens that we are interested in replacing my wife's 2014 Durango with a large 3 row replacement crossover, so this video is quite timely. I agree with you too that the Grand Highlander is near, if not at, the top of this group. A prime version would clinch the deal for me for sure. You are to be commended for this video. I rarely subscribe but today is one of those days that I did.
Interesting when you navigate to the Toyota site for competitive comparison, you'll note the Jeep and Telluride are auto-filled. Grand Highlander Prime, it looks like they are leaving that for the Lexus TX
Grand highlander is simply the segment leader with all that space , features , power trains and efficiency ❤
And reliability
@@maga6319 listen maga….MAGA!!!!!! Trump 2024!!!!
Also…Toyota is the best. Yes I’m a fanboy. Hava
And with at least 5K more than all other competitors except Mazda which is probably over 60K.
@@maga6319 outside of the fanboy stuff, the Grand Highlander is a good vehicle. Offers amazing cargo and passenger space with good powertrains. Very competitive compared to rivals such as the Koreans and the new Pilot.
Grand Highlander looks very impressive. Hard to beat Toyota reliability. At this point looks like it may replace the Sienna minivan.
Can’t wait for the GH! My wife and I put a deposit down for a reservation for a hybrid AWD one. Stoked!
To me, the Pilot would be the top pick. The simplicity, proven reliability, yet effectiveness of the drivetrain makes the most compelling. No batteries, turbos, or electric motors to worry about, not to mention cost of operation.
but it looks like a brick
I'm rooting for the all electric KIA EV9. No more gas or Maintenance.
Honda Fan but last 6-7 years, Honda & Acura Have been plagued with notorious transmission problems on V6 engines.
honda is full of problems now.. coming from honda fan. They got issues even they cannot fix. Honda is like hyundai now.
I think they re design the v6 to this year so that will be more problems coming
I'm loving this video Kirk! Amazing work! I also hope that the Grand Highlander Prime will show up at some point, or maybe even the GR Grand Highlander! (both mouthful!)
Thanks! I was thinking what would your top 5 be ?!
The Lexus version of the GH Prime (TX550h+) is slotted for their lineup, but I don't think it'll be available (just as the smaller RX450h+) from the start until Toyota gets enough battery material to expand the HSD Prime line of PHEV's.
Whether this Prime HSD makes it into the Toyota brand lineup beyond the Rav4 in this generation is anyone's guess.
@@KirkKreifels Great question... although I haven't driven some of these (like the Grand Highlander and CX-90, both not out for media drives yet), my preference is the Grand Highlander, Pilot, Telluride, CX-90, and the Grand Cherokee (which is surprisingly good). Outlander would be close 6th. My view is more based on overall performance and driving character though… Once we both have a chance to drive the Grand Highlander and the CX-90, perhaps the ranking might change.
Yes, We need a GR Grand Highlander with a 300 hp 3 cylinder and 6 speed manual to keep the FUN in family vehicles. From the corporate perspective, spreading the 3 cylinder turbo and 6 speed AWD powertrain across more platforms will create production efficiencies. 😉😉😉
@@rightlanehog3151 - problem with using the GR 3-pot is that it maybe TOO SMALL to be used in such a large / heavy app as a Highlander / RX or a GH / TX.
The T-1.6L 3-pot is a RACING-DERIVED engine with an amount of HAND-MADE CRAFTSMANSHIP in it (it may not scale up well in production) and probably not intended for mass market apps.
Also the take % for manual transmissions on PEOPLE MOVERS like crossovers and minivans is so MINUSCULE that it will not make financial sense. A WET DUAL-CLUTCH automatic "may" make more sense if you want more fun for larger and HEAVIER apps.
Wife purchased her Palisade new in 2020. To date (Aug 2024) a shock replacement and a brake caliper, both under warranty. She loves it.
Ascent - Very utilitarian and lots of room. I was surprised how much camping gear my buddy was able to pack into that thing. As a three-row, it doesn't do too well, but my buddy who is a family man loves his. Real world fuel economy is right around 26MPG.
Jeep Grand Cherokee - It's a jeep. I know someone who bough one a year ago and it looks great inside and out (Not the L). But it went to the shop 3 times in the first two months. After one year of ownership, the thing rattles like an $80k tin can. I might be a little biased comparing it with my 4Runner TRD Pro, but the 4Runner still drives like brand new, no rattle, no creaks, build quality is superb. 4Runner is a year old now with 32k miles. It's a road trip machine! More like a fishing machine towing my kayaks to all sorts of places. I'd love to see what they do with the next gen 4Runner, but I don't like the thought of having a 4banger in there. That leaves me hoping for the 3.5TTV6 going into the next GX as long as they fix that rear door issue. Don't like the rear door opening up towards the curb.
Had the Ascent. Glad we leased it for 3 years. Has battery issues where the battery dies every week or two. Wife who didn't know how to pump gas to start became a pro at boosting a car. Lots of online forums and groups talking about this issue. Seems like they put a smaller battery in it and if lights or door is left open, it drains the battery (should have a timer and shut it down).
I'd rather have the Pilot's small screen over VW's unergonomical interface any day, especially after the Atlas refresh
S: GHL, CX-90
A: PILOT, Telluride, Palisade
B: Pathfinder, GCL, Explorer,
C: Atlas, Ascent, Durango, Outlander
I'm currently leasing a 2023 Pathfinder. Love it, but for more money, in order to save money on gas for long-term ownership, I will consider the Grand Highlander or CX-90 in Plug in trims.
Driving experience is great in the 23 Pathfinder, but I feel like I have to drive it on Sport mode to enjoy it. 😉
👍
Can't wait for a 3rd row Camry.
the CX90 and Grand Cherokee L are the segment leaders in everything
design, tech and luxury
Jeep? 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@rhymeskill
Question, which is more powerful, more technologically advanced and more luxurious:
Grand Cherokee L or Grand Highlander?
Rhetorical question
For fun to drive and looks. I’m going Mazda Cx90, Telluride, Palisade, Grand highlander, Pilot
Liking the Mazda even if the back looks minivanish. I never see the back of my car anyway, well except when I’m washing or waxing it. I’ve heard Explorers have had a bad rating since the refresh update. It continues to come up in the top 10 to stay away from do to tranny issues and electrical issues. Can ANYONE rebuke that? Please do.
Feel validated looking at your tiers.
I purchased a 2021 Grand Cherokee L after thoroughly checking out and test driving the Atlas, Palisade, Telluride, Highlander (not GH - not out at the time) and Explorer.
Not having a hybrid bothered me for all of 2 minutes because the design, luxury and tech more than made up for the low mpgs. I would agree with some commenters here that a price vs value based rating would take the level of your tiers up a notch. Had I a fixed budget, I may have ended up with a Palisade/Telluride (with the markup included) that pound for pound gave you the most comfort/options.
Great video and keep up the good work!
P.S I'm surprised at the lack of comments about the Jeep GCL on your video. A 1-year old used GCL Overland (what I purchased) with all the features ended up being cheaper than a brand new Palisade/Telluride. Similar mpg but more towing and better looking too.
Adding price range would help tremendously with the compare. I think the 2023 Atlas would rank higher on the tier list vs the upcoming 2024 you mentioned here.
Great vid, thank you!
When do you think the Lexus version of Grand Highlander be announced or shown?
Has to be soooooon. This summer at the latest
The new Highlander looks very good.
As much as people getting excited about the new CX-90, majority will ended up with the Grand Highlander. I bet money on this fact.
Thanks for going over the competition
I almost agree with the list you have given Kirk. However, I would put the GH, Pilot, and the Koreans twins on the top tier. I would put the Grand Cherokee L a tier down because even though it’s large on the outside, it doesn’t necessarily translate to the cargo or passenger space that I personally would like.
As for the Koreans, yes the side impact situation is a concern to me, however everything about them is good.
The Pilot’s use of the Acura super handling all wheel drive torque vectoring system wasn’t directly mentioned in the video but seems like a big advantage for that FWD based platform over the others(Kia/Hyundai). That alone would help it to compete with the CX-90 or Grand Cherokee L for driving dynamics. I know that Toyota uses a similar system in some of their Highlander models but I’m not sure it’s quite as performance oriented as the Honda system.
Ivtm4 is akin to the shawd! Just like we see in the Ridgeline and passport trail spot
Kirk, I see your spreadsheet doesn't have much data on the VW Atlas full-sized crossover and another automotive channel I follow do compare the Grand Highlander with the Atlas as being "the largest in class". I can see it won't have "Toyota reliability", but the Atlas is more comparable as it dropped their VR6, just like Toyota dropped their V6 (the "9M" 2G LWB Lambdas* had kept available their V6). I do agree that the Chevy and Buick (along with the VW) compete with the larger Toyota as "largest in class".
There are 2 WB (large enough difference) on the 9M's "Lambda": SWB (GMC and Cadillac) and LWB (Chevy and Buick). The Buick and Cadillac only have the V6, the Chevy and GMC have a T-2.0L as base with the V6 optional.
You know already why there's no GH Prime (or TX500h+ from the start). That PHEV needs 18.1 kWh of "juice" and they're keeping what little battery material they have for their self-charging HSD's (they can put material for 11.5 self-charging HSD's in the same space as 1 Prime) and their few BEV's. That's why Toyota went the Turbo way (I'll call it HSD MAX) with a bit of "efficiency sacrifice".
The JGC and the Durango come now from 2 RWD-based sources: both JGC's come from a cheapened Giorgio (Alfa Romeo Stelvio) platform, while the Durango still soldiers on on the modified last gen Mercedes GLS platform.
* they have now another name but that Greek letter name for the OG sounds so distinctive, and it does include the Buick Enclave, which is the same size and have the same NA-3.6L V6 with nearly the same output (optional on Traverse, standard on Enclave)
Thanks for the details brother ❤️
GH will be even awesome with Dark crom night shade edition for SURE!! Honda needs to sell New Pilot as many as they could now until GH comes in the market.
This is the most informative and useful comparison of 3 row SUVs I have seen in recent times! Agree with most everything in the tiers except for CX-90 in the S tier purely because you are comparing 3 row SUVs and it's 3rd row seems to be smaller than every SUV in the A tier. Love for Toyota to make a Prime GH or for Honda to make a Pilot Hybrid. Looking forward to test driving the GH Hybrid and HybridMax when they are out. A couple of websites mentioned Pilot Hybrid coming out in early 2024. Have you heard anything about it? Thanks!
I haven't heard a whisper of pilot hybrid...I'll look into it 👍
is the pilot trailsport replacing the passport?
Kirk's take on the Durango is reasonably accurate. But here is the shocker regarding the lowly Durango according to TrueDelta: "The Durango had a pretty decent 2023. Sales were up 24% to almost 70,000 units making 2023 the best year ever for Durango. I'll repeat that, 2023 was THE BEST sales year ever for a vehicle on sale for 12 model years...
That also means Dodge outsold the Acadia, Blazer, Atlas, Ascent, Passport, CX-90+CX-9 (combined), Enclave, and came within spitting distance of Pathfinder. By the time this 3-row Dodge ends production, it'll have been on sale for 15-years" Let's face it, despite a number of negative factors, a lot of folks like the Durango enough to buy one!
Not sold on these turbo 4 bangers. Was considering the 500h for my next lease but decided on the MDX Type S Advance. The Lexus was missing a v6, massaging seats, Brembos, a third row, and the amazing 25 speaker ELS stereo. My wife loves her 2022 NX 350h however, but the RX should of at least offered a v6 on the top end, and/or made the 500h the standard powertrain.
We have a 2010 Highlander, still going strong. We’d like to try the CX-90 this time, really like the elegant interior and the inline 6 RWD.
Maybe the CX won't be as reliable.
Mazda makes reliable vehicles, ever since cutting ties with Ford in 2015.
@@ytsux9259 Mazda averages the most reliable mainstream cars over the last 5 years
@@ytsux9259 well according to Automotive Press Dave who was a engineer for Toyota claims on his TH-cam channel that Mazda has stepped up their game and the quality they are now producing rivals Toyota.
@@teikken they left Ford back in 2012
Im happy with my 22 Highlander V6. Down the road, Im likely to look at either the Lexus TX or the truck based next iteration of the GX. That’s probably five years away 😂
Same i have red 22 xse and its beautiful. Only issue is infotainment and speakers are terrible
The Pilot has the HUD only on the Touring Elite!
I love these videos. You should do one for every car category.
Thanks man!
Agree! I’d like to see one for every category too!
Exactly 💯
I agree 100%, Toyota needs a prime version of this. Bigger picture they should be working on a prime version of their whole lineup. Not having ev would make me look at the CX-90 over the Grand Highlander.
'23 Pilot *does* have a head-up display on the Elite trim - lame that you have to pay $53 grand to get it though! And, the head-up display is smaller than its competitors.
Hey Kirk Toyota is developing the 7 seater corolla cross for Indian market and it is supposed to be rival for hyundai tucson
Really, do you guys get the Rav4
@@Mm.2112 Nah We Don't get the rav4
@@kuramarosetta8193 Yeah I Think They Should Just Build Rav4 in india
im sure they can do it, just wont have any cargo space
I have a soft spot for Mitsubishi because I grew up with the Mitsubishi Montero (Pajero back in my home country) and want Mitsubishi to have a bigger SUV than the Outlander with the PHEV that can actually seat 7+ comfortably. I don’t think it’s gonna happen any time soon.
I think price should’ve also been considered a factor. The Jeep products are way too expensive!
Grand Cherokee L is basically MDX price, for that, I would rather take MDX.
Great breakdown Kirk! Can’t wait to see the breakdown of the luxury line once that TX comes out 😬
If I'm not mistaken only the gas powered Mitsubishi Outlander uses a CVT, the PHEV model uses a single-speed transmission. Anyways, I do think they should have a larger 3-row Crossover SUV to better compete with Highlander, Telluride, Pathfinder name. maybe revive the Endeavor nameplate for it. 😁
Since nowadays it seems Mitsubishi is only allowed to make "whatever Nissan can't or won't sell" it'd be difficult to see them making a 3 row crossover when there's the Pathfinder in US. Also it'd be expensive to design a brand-new RWD-based crossovers (a replacement Pajero / Montero SUV would be forbidden with the Patrol / Armada / QX80 there), as Mitsubishi and Nissan doesn't have a "suitable donor".
Its important to look at price because 3-10$k price difference is huge for most ppl. Subaru often makes up for their “ Subaruness” with their lower price
Right now I don’t have kids so I’m not worried about that and I was looking for a suv in this class that has good enough power, somewhat fun to drive, and enough space for my luggage when I go on long trips.
I decided to buy a Dodge Durango R/T Plus back in 2020, I love this suv a lot. Yeah I know it’s not the safest nor the most reliable, but it gives me a smile on my face.
Who the hell buy suv for power? Smh.
I put the telluride and palisade in S tier because of warranty and bang for the buck. Grand Cherokee would round out the S tier for me but with an asterisk because it's priced so high but I will admit it's better looking then the Korean models. Ranking unreleased cars doesn't make any sense to me, at this point they can be delayed enough to be rebranded as 2024 with the way the supply chains are, and plus, they're not out. I agree with the rest of the rankings
Exactly what I needed! Thank you friend!
I look forward to seeing the Lexus TX which is derived from the Grand Highlander. It’s PHEV version will be wonderful 😊
I thought the Outlander is a compact, in the same class as the Rogue. I know it has 3 rows, but so do the Tiguan and previous gen Rogue.
not much cargo space I would never sit in the 3rd row any of these that much closer to the back glass hope never get rear ended no doors to open windows to roll down no escape last time in a 3rd row I almost was car sick I can handle the middle of the2nd Row but I Ike a window to roll down and a door to open
outlander is a midsize 2 rows because it have optional third row, although it is smaller side so besides competing with santa fe, passport, it also competes with compact as well
It's the biggest from Mitsubishi so it tries to play in both "compact" and "midsize"
@@KirkKreifels I wouldn't call that a reason why the Outlander would be considered a midsize. Just like how I wouldn't call the Pilot, Palisade, and Telluride as Sequoia and Armada rivals despite being the biggest from those brands
@@Blank00 - I do believe EPA has done interior room categories in cubic feet for crossovers and SUV's separate from those of other car variants. Today's Outlander, like the Rogue / Xtrail / QX50 - 55 where it comes from is a COMPACT CROSSOVER.
Even the midsize crossovers (Kia Sorento is such a case) doesn't make a true 7 or 8 seater as their 3rd row is still "kids / teens-only') are not confortable. You have to go to the full-sized crossover category to find an adult-sized 3rd row (Andrea Spencer of Motormouth proved that point when she got on the 3rd row of a Grand Highlander at the Canadian Auto Show in Toronto) and even there it is "almost doable".
The reason Kirk included the Outlander is that 3rd row (not available on Nissan or Infiniti variants, which were not included here) and the '23 inclusion of a Mitsubishi-made / designed PHEV system (it is based on the World Engine 2.4L, not on Nissan's 2.5L like the non-PHEV).
Makes perfect sense for it to be all hybrid. But I’d like to see the 2.4T in a TRD version. Not the barebones type like the current version. A proper TRD with all the bells and whistles for 42k. That would be awesome.
Pilot is disastrous man !!!
Honda is playing a bad game !!
We have a 21 Ascent and thought the 3rd row was much more accommodating than the Highlander as well as the cargo space behind the 3rd row. However, I’m not exactly happy with the car. Excited to see the Grand Highlander, we’ll as excited as I can be for a family hauling SUV anyways.
facelifted ascent looks worse
@@tinhinnh I absolutely agree!! Not sure what they were going for there. To me it just doesn’t seem up to par with past Subarus I have owned.
@@cpftank09 they ruined the front end
Yeah the third row in the Ascent is usable. Not the best but not the worst. I think the Ascent is overall better than the Durango, sorento, traverse, and pathfinder.
Dang. The explorer didn't even making to rankings. Lol
Bahaha solid B tier. Think my camera was covering it
@KirkKreifels lol. That's what I thought. Definitely rooting for the cx-90 this year.
Hi Kirk, it would be nice to see a ranking on all these 3 row SUVs based on reliability. 😉
I’ll go ahead and make one for you
S: CX-90, Pilot, Grand Highlander, Highlander
A: Atlas, Outlander, Ascent, Pathfinder
B: Traverse, Acadia, Sorento
C: Telluride, Palisade, Grand Cherokee L, Durango
I agree with your S tier. The rest is a crap shoot lol
@@KirkKreifels I mean, Atlas is going to be alright, it’s just when something breaks it’s gonna be expensive. Outlander will probably be like a rogue, same with pathfinder, Ascent should be borderline S and A. GMC and Chevy don’t have the best rep nowadays so they’re in B tier. I haven’t heard many complaints of a Sorento but Kia’s have a bad rep too. But as for a Palisade and Telluride, they have proven to be luxurious junk, I’ve seen many have issues with fires and their safety is not on par with the competition. Grand Cherokee L, omg literally a trainwreck of reliability issues. I have a friend that has had one for about a year now, it’s been in the shop THIRTEEN times. Durangos, I actually should have put that higher because they use a lot of older equipment and they aren’t as bad. Durango should be borderline of b and a tier
@@barbz_zayne The latest Atlas is a bit strange, it must be admitted that they look more luxurious and bigger, but there are too many piano blacks and the physical buttons are removed and replaced with a capacitive touchscreen, because apart from getting dirty easily it is also less effective, especially for those who are used to driving a car with physical buttons and know their position very well. and because too much technology doesn't mean it's good because if it breaks it will definitely be inconvenient, so many reviewers say that the Mercedes EQS is too weird, too much technology plus the lack of physical buttons so that the effectiveness and efficiency of its use is lacking.
@@KirkKreifels OMG! I was gearing the buy a 2023 Palisade this Friday. 😲
The Pathfinder should be in tier A, The Grand Highlander is going to be a game changer!
I have to agree with Kirk. While the pathfinder is great it just doesn’t do anything well. I drove both a Pathfinder and a Pallisade for a week for rentals. While I liked the Pathfinder to me Nissan kept all of the best features and tech for the platinum trim where as Hyundai you can get most of the features in the middle trim. I’d buy a Pathfinder if I got a deal on it but be willing to pay sticker for the Pallisade.
Great video and information. I wish your spreadsheet had one more line item... Dimensions (Weight, Length, Width and Height) in imperial measurements or Freedom Units.
Length is the only one I'd probably include haha. Different trims change weight and height. The Cherokee L can have an air suspension which raises it a ton lol
The GM 3.6 is very troublesome. It's been out a long time but still has catastrophic timing chain issues. That should be on the very bottom of your list.
Awesome work going into this video.. Thanks a lot! Is it ok if you can share the excel sheet you used in the video? I'd like to add a few more cars to compare and you cover all the aspects I look for. Thanks
You didn’t rank the Explorer on your spreadsheet listing at the end.
Love this! Where can I get the spreadsheet?! I was about embark on creating my own, but yours looks great.
What about cost? You didn't seem to compare cost...
That would've made the video impossibly long. They all compare in price except for the entry of outlander, Sorento. Also the v8 models fetch the highest prices.
Just got 2023 Pathfinder SL with premium package. I was 95% happy with the purchase would put at A tier because of price point and what comes with it and Nissan's willingness to negotiate.
What was negotiated price? Also looking
Have had a pathfinder platinum for about a month and absolutely love it. Def think it’s often overlooked and undervalued in this class.
Hi Kirk and the people of the internet. Can you help me decide what would be the best long term buy (reliable) between a RAV4 hybrid and the new CRV hybrid. Thanks!
If you want overall quality space, and driving dynamics go CRV all day long. If you want a bit more features go rav4 but be prepared to sacrifice a lot
Both should be reliable. CRV is quieter and handles better. Rav4 is more efficient with better tech
Rav4 for sure. The CRV is less reliable and priced higher. Do a quick search on "JD Power reliability" to check out the numbers.
A very crowded market 3 rows,compact, mid size ,larger mid size, full size cross overs, add rear wheel drive base mid size full size and suburban size and add in the luxury segment ,few that have 2 row can opt a 3rd row comes down to coke , Pepsi, Red Bull vans nike one all ways buys the same over& over me im toyota ram HD trucks but might try Mazda as the CX 90 has a inline I-6 and went back to rear wheel drive
Also the CX90 should be in a class of its own especially over the GH just because of the 6 cyl and the PHEV options.
nah
@@tinhinnh see the thing is, with the mild hybrid system that comes with the CX-90, even with AWD it gets 24 mpg city and 28 mpg highway with the inline 6. Its 23 mpg city with the 340 HP version with the same highway mpg.
It’s a big plus when you think about it besides the PHEV. If Toyota already ditched the 6 cylinder in the GH then this might be a good contender for them.
I’m also pretty sure the current CX-50 is made in the same US plant as Toyota’s RAV4 (I think?) since Mazda and Toyota made a manufacturing deal with each other. I have a feeling this will be the same with the CX-90 since this will also be a North-America-only car. Basically a better Toyota at that point performance-wise.
Although we’ll have to wait for when we see them in person to get a much better idea for interior room.
I own a VW Atlas 2.0 TASI since 2018 and feels peppy for me. Before the Atlas I owned a 2011 Durango and the MPG difference is huge. What I regrets is not buying the 4x4.
Best SUV on this list is the Mazda CX-90 I6 then Grand Highlander, i wish Toyota would put that 3.4L V6 from the Sequioa in there mounted to that same 8 speed automatic. Toyota could own this 3-row segment with the Grand Highlander if they put the same powertrain from the Sequioa
Wouldn't fit as it's designed for rwd platforms
Hi. Do you have a printable version of your table for future reference? Thank you! 👍🏻
Kirk, How many other 34 mpg, truly 3 row CUVs are out there? 🤔 In terms of getting 'excited', the Princeton, Indiana plant due to build these is so far behind in Sienna and Highlander production I cannot imagine them keeping up with demand for Grand Highlander and Lexus TX. Maybe Toyota will surprise us and outbid Subaru and McDonald's for Indiana production
workers. 😉 Unless towing or off-roading are priorities, the Grand Highlander runs rings around the competition. 🤩
correction: pilot elite has heads up display
MDX Type-S is the best 😁 It's heavier, less powerful but quicker than Grand Highlander top trim, with better AWD and better luxury features.
MDX is S tier assuming we're on price parity.
@@maga6319ok trumper
@@maga6319 no boomer
yeah seems like this was comparison based on pricing and options from the mainstream brands
@@vsrap71 i think it was
just would like to know why you did not put the explorer in the tier list
Cx-90 wins imo. It aint even about the power. Layout, comfort, looks and features
You forgot to add the explorer to the tier list
That was in my three row comparison. It's a size or two up
Great review. I have my focus on the Pilot with removable second row middle seat with $52k msrp and 21 combined mpg, but now having a second thought since the 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid with 34 combined mpg video came out. Once the price of the GH is out I can make better comparison. I will wait for your next review.
As an Excel lover, you made my day.
So for weekend family trips over any mountain range in any weather …. This or a used Lexus GX or more used Lexus LX570?
Where is the explorer?
Hidden in B tier lol
Will the next gen 4 runner and tacoma get the same 2.5 i4 turbo hybrid powertrain?
No. They have longitudinal engine layouts. Similar power overall but no eAxle
There's no 2.5L HSD of any kind for RWD apps (just the 3.4L V6 for the largest BOF apps). They could design HSD (Max)'s for the T-2.4L, but that would be new and more expensive to design since it's not there already.
Excellent review, but I'm curious why you left the Buick Enclave off this review?
I do not like that the Mazda CX90 doesn’t have a touch screen 🤦🏿♀️ I think I’m going with the Toyota GH. Great video!
we need more tier list for all catagory. Thanks for the nice video
Where does reliability feature in your lists?
does the Toyota 2.4L Turbo not tow 5000?
Im not 100% sure. I know the hybrid max does
@@KirkKreifels i think it does on the regular highlander, might have that flipped with the hybrid on the sheet.
In 10 years which one will sell for the most and be desired by most. None of the American cars forsure and the Honda needs an interior refresh ....... the Toyota will
This will start from the bottom of the rung to the top list:
Outlander
Ascent
Traverse/Acadia
Sorento
Pathfinder
Palisade/Telluride
Explorer (RWD which I love, but it is still trash
Atlas
Durango
Pilot
Grand Cherokee
Grand Highlander
Mazda CX-90
@@darkivaz-aaa1145 what’s your list?
@@arhamkhakwani5851 Kirk does a good job but I am going to list them with more emphasis on price and less on space and towing.
it is weird but I will start on bottom also.
Acadia
Traverse
Ascent
Outlander
Explorer
Durango
Atlas
Pathfinder
Telluride/Pallisade
Sorento
The top three CX90, Grand Highlander and Grand Cherokee are all so expensive it is hard to place them. Top if budget is not really a concern.
The best comparison, Thank you sir
The Mazda looks the best. Toyota is the most sensible to buy.
Kirk, not sure why you bundled the Traverse and Acadia together. They're completely different vehicles.
Where is the explorer on the list? I Agree those are clearly S tier and would love the Twin Turbo Ecoboost V6 to be in the S tier as well. Can’t wait to drive that CX-90
Explorer is B list due tue interior, my bad!
@@KirkKreifels yeah the interior is just basic
No doubt, the brand new Toyota Grand Highlander would be the leader and benchmark in this segment and the selling figure would be the total number of the second + third + fourth.
Apart from the features and technology mentioned in the clip, the reliability and resell value of both Grand Highlander and Highlander are the best and strongest.
Why no MDX?
I can tell you bang for your dollar is the palisade !! You get more options other than hybrid. I've researched over the past few years and nobody offers as much. Plus I've owned 2 ravs 1 highlander all limited and have never received one with all things offered. So limited just means on the options you'll get.
Jeep GCL is B+ for me. If it comes with the new inline 6 available in the Wagoneer, then definitely A, and S only if it comes with PHEV, like the 2 row GC.
This is great comparison. Can you compare Grand Highland and Lexus TX also?
they will bring the grand highlander prime to the market eventually, right?
Really like the comparison.
The problem is HOW interior space is used. The Palisade/Telluride have loads of cubic feet inside, yet they mounted the seats so close to the doors that there's 0 shoulder room. The Pilot is the same size yet has gobs more usable space. The 2023 regular Highlander suffers the same problem - there's plenty of space but the B pillar eliminates shoulder space and the back outer seat occupants are pressed against the doors.
The Grand Highlander will be bigger - but if they use the standard Toyota/Lexus seating position (can't put your arms down to their sides) and keep moving features onto subscription services (at least for a while some Toyotas had physical remote start buttons on their key fobs that DIDN'T WORK unless you paid a subscription) it won't be as exciting as we hope.
5:08 I have to return some video tapes
What about Explorer
Agree
Nice comparison
I prefer the Look of the Telluride and Pilot much more, they look designed rather than mashed together.