Good EVs are Getting Cheaper
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the new Volvo EX30 that was announced before getting into their thoughts on the new Prius. Are Good EVs finally getting cheap?
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Am I living in some other dimension? Because I think all cars are getting ridiculously expensive...
You’re not. Cars are getting stupid expensive. $1000 car payments aren’t uncommon. Crazy to think.
Obviously you just gotta work another job or make more money duhhhhhh
Cars as a whole may be more expensive but EVs are still cheaper compared to years past. There ain't nearly as much of a premium over an ICE car anymore. To the point where if you are buying new, it's pretty competitive to get an EV now.
@@yedoom high end EVs are pretty much at the same level as ICE cars. But on the cheap(er) end, the difference is still massive. At least in EU where I live. For example VW Golf starts at 23k and iD3 (what can be considered as a Golf equivalent) starts at 38k. The running costs are lower, but it still takes years to catch up to the 15k difference. Not to mention the charging network isn't that good and the range is also quite limiting...
Our global corporations have decided to raise the price of everything and we have to live with it this is why we need worldwide communism
It is corporate speak to say SUVs are "not" cars so that car brands can loophole themselves out of some obscure tax thing in the US. Same thing with pickup trucks, minivans, and so many automobile categories.
It's hilarious how emission regulations incentivized much less efficient vehicles. Considerably more dangerous too.
It’s not a tax thing - it’s emission standards. Truly terrible for everyone.
The weirdest thing is: This SUV trend happened due to emission standards and the exclusion of utility vehicles, but as electric cars have an official emission of 0, that doesn't really matter anymore. However, now the car industry has spoiled their customers so badly with these cars, that we cant come back although that would help with range way more.
at 35k that’s roughly what we paid new for our honda hrv and fit combined. hope these prices continue to come down
Thank you guys❤❤❤❤❤❤
Reserved an EX30 as its great size for Europe. Worth noting its much smaller than the cars compared here, its the same size asma Hyundai Kona.
I think the ex30 looks awesome and I totally like the look of the cross country version. It's just too small. I own an older Impreza hatch and I measured the hatch opening and the ex30 is over 10 inches smaller in width and not nearly as tall. I wish it was closer to the since of the Impreza but I know the Volvo hatches have always been pretty small. When I got my car I also liked the C30 but the hatch was even smaller on that car.
I wonder if Volvo switches to NACS before they start delivering XC-30 and XC-90 in the US and Canada. They should!
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Volvo has said in 2024 their EVs will have NACS
I ordered an EX-30 right away. Shortly after I doubted if the rear leg room would work for me so cancelled. Been going back and forth between the dealership and Volvo to get me $500 deposit back. The dealer said they never finished completing the pre-order process so that would have been a bummer after waiting two years and apparently that put it in limbo and now Volvo says they don't see an order. Worst case I'll use Visa protection but it doesn't inspire confidence.
It is definitely much smaller than the My/EV6/Ioniq 5. Those cars are BIG - as big as my subaru Forester but shorter. They are LONG and WIDE. The EX30 is more like the Kona and Crosstrek.
Would like to see you guys review the Dodge Hornet PHEV, starts in the 30 thousand price range
In 2012 I bought a brand new sedan (ford focus - POS, but it was similarly priced to other cars) for $16K plus taxes.
Im really hoping electric vehicles and jump down to less than $25K.
I don’t need some of these fancy features. I just want good range (400miles), AC, and good speakers. I don’t need it to drive for me or some of these other - admittedly cool features.
I'm still driving the Hyundai I paid $15,000 for in 2011. It's a simple machine, but it's comfortable and gets me where I need to go.
I'd love to get something new, but not it's going to cost me over $30,000.
The EX30 is 2" taller and longer than a Volkswagen Golf/GTI. This ia an SUV in name only.
Yeah looks 100% like a hatchback to me
RAV4 Prime owner. EPA is 42 miles of pure electric but I get 50 in winter doing city driving. And it charges with a regular outlet in 12 hours
Pricey, but it's the best! I probably filled up the tank 3 times the entire year (most of the commutes are under 30 mi.)
Technically, Geely owns Volvo and Polestar. There is no way we are getting the $35k version (with a small battery) the the US. But a price around $40k is going to be cool too.
Yup everyone is calmly ignoring this though. It'll be just another bait n switch when it arrives sometime in 2024.
Also that consumption figure of a max 26.5kwhs per 100 miles, with a 69kwh gross, 64kwh useable pack? Means 230-240miles epa max!
I've seen multiple leaked price sheets now which say 35-55k in the U.S. and that's without taxes dest fee or any dealer markups.
Plus ZERO tax credits, unless leasing it. Doa imo against it's competition. It's bolt euv&kona/niro sized so a compact b segment cuv. 🤔
The base model (RWD) that we’re gonna get will be 35k. That’s already confirmed. The small battery pack that’s only for other markets is coming later after launch and will be even cheaper but we won’t get it.
@@wand3rlu5t except it isn't confirmed yet and in every other non us market? The base core lfp rwd model is the 35k cheapest version.
Which btw starts over 41k in Africa and 45k in Ireland.
Plus arena ev leaked the price sheet&options in their article. A maxed out awd perf with glass roof and the fancy sound bar is 52-55k Euro
Further at 26.5kwh per 100miles for consumption, if that's wltp and for rwd only as it says the figure is for certain versions only?
This is going to only have 230-240 miles epa range max when it arrives in summer 2024.
And the question remains how many they can actually make. Based on the expectations, they need to make 500,000 a year.
our $35k version in the US is the base RWD model w/ the big battery.
Based on the ads I am seeing, one can lease a Hyundai Ioniq 5 or 6 for $400(~$4.5k down) which pretty much the same lease for the Toyota Camry SE 4cylinder(non hybrid), Corolla Hybrid, & Prius Prime. The lease for a Corolla Cross hybrid was pretty much the same as a Rav4 hybrid at the 2 dealerships I spoke with. A $35k hatchback SUV would be great as that pretty much matches the Kia Niro EV's price, which this sounds to be a similar size too.
Wouldnt be surprised if those ads have a bunch of hidden fees or the particular model isnt available pushing you to higher marked up ones.
@@Tcmter23 can't speak for Toyota but hyundai ioniq 5 deal was close to accurate(with tax) for a base model with the premium interior option.
@@Alex_564 Have you been to a dealer, what's the final monthly lease payment?
@@wyw201 For the Ioniq 5 SEL it was $399 w/tax & title, with 4k down & first month. Not sure for the Camry SE or Corolla Hybrid, but even if I were to get the same deal, the Ioniq 5 is a better car as it's full ev that can fast charge & I prefer the interior to Toyota's.
@@Alex_564 How long is the lease and what do you expect depreciation to be?
As a Subaru person I nodded my head saying, “ahh yes”
That x30 is the first electric car I would want to buy
Mercedes and BMW have the hybrid option on lots of their series in Europe. Weird they just don't make them for US / Canada
Pre ordered EX30 twin motor
Can we stop calling $35k cars inexpensive?
Agree, I’d say the cheapest version of a certain model needs to start below $30k to be considered cheap because almost everyone will add options. If this Volvo started at $25k then I’d consider it inexpensive for a car. Of course $35k is inexpensive for what EV prices have been which, if we are being charitable, is what the guys here mean.
35k for an EV is inexpensive
the average new car price is $40k. so $35k for an EV especially coming from Volvo is indeed cheap
No, cheap is 10k new. Preferably 3k
@@LofiWurldyou’re looking at an e bike
What headphones do they use?
Wow, 40k for a daily beater that can keep up with 911s worth x4 as much in a straight line. I would love one of these as my daily.
Did you guys see the Prius Crossover EV? It’s basically a Ferrari Purosangue, they’re almost identical hahaha
Are cheap EVs getting good too?
You tried to be smart, but that's literally the same thing...
@@Csongor_RadaiSlightly different. Cheap getting good requires there to be many cheap bad EVs. I don't think we have a bunch of cheap EVs to pick from.
But good EVs (which have always been expensive) are getting cheaper.
Hybrids can replace 4-5 ICE vehicles using the same amount of battery material as 1 BEV. Each BEV only replaces 1 ICE vehicle. And they are cheaper. And no range anxiety,
Prius Prime or EX30 until EVs have solid range and less build quality issues than Japanese or German PHEV counterparts.
This is based off the zeekr x that starts at 27k has a gauge cluster and additional features that this doesn't have (doesn't looks as good though). Unfortunately it's not being sold in the us only china and the eu. That car is actually inexpensive and has what looks like a nicer interior
Unfortunately the ZEEKR X starts at 45K in the EU, due to taxes, transport and higher margins. BYD has similar jumps in price when cars from the Chinese market make it to Europe. So the Volvo still sounds quite good.
@@brocode113 aww gotcha
The Volvo EX30 is 2” longer and 2” lower than a 2023 Kia Soul. It’s tiny by US standards, but still bigger than half the vehicles sold in Europe.
I would love an EX30 but i'm worried about the non-adjustable headrests for a 5'2 small framed woman . . .
Thor Hammer headlights rock!
Toyota kills the fun of a Prius Prime purchase with their dealer nonsense markups.
It starts at 44k euros in Ireland and goes up to 60k.
So funny listening to this group talk about cars because they are so not car peeps. That’s fine of course, they’re coming at it from a different angle, but it may be worth getting someone on staff who is more up on cars if it’s something they’re going to be doing more of in future.
He’s not wrong about the crosstrek!!
9:23 minutes well spent in here with you guys !
Would this one be eligible for the federal tax credit?
sadly no
"The EX30 will begin production in China, in a factory that's said to be primarily powered by climate-neutral energy, but a company spokesperson declined to say whether it would eventually be built in Volvo's South Carolina plant, as is the plan for the larger, three-row EX90." -Car and Driver, June 7th, 2023
I'd buy that if I could afford it. Sticking with my BMW i3 until I can afford a longer range car
For under 40k I'd rather get a Prius Prime and basically run full EV for months and maybe go hard at the end before petrol goes stale. It does look good.
As long as you travel under 44 miles a day as most people do, a Prius Prime never needs gas. Honestly, that mat be cheaper and still get the benefits of an EV.
@@club6525 I'd never run out of juice in a normal day. And if the solar roof adds around 3 miles per day, parking outside would charge up the battery in a regular day.
is David using a framework laptop? or is it a chromebook?
I believe there's a Framework Chromebook Edition available, which is what he likely has.
Andrew is right. Crosstreks are literally EvERYWHERE
Never seen one in NY or Atlanta
so close to quality sub 30k EV's!!
But, the Bolt and Leaf have been around forever. Both can be had for like $25k.
Volvo is sharing platform with its Chinese parent company, which made its car cheaper. There is a lot of great EVs on Chinese market with hyper competition which result in better product than US market. The only competitive US/Europe EV brand in China is Tesla/VW, and Ford electric mustang is getting killed in China even with cheap price.
I really do want an EV eventually and I believe they are the future. But currently the range difference between them and say a hybrid vehicle is too big. My rav4 hybrid that I paid $38k for gets between 420 and 480 miles on a tank. Even the more expensive SUV EV’s don’t come close to that.
Plot twist. I just traded in my RAV4 hybrid a couple months ago for a Camry V6. 🤷🏻♂️ I needed more power to go through the mountain pass where my siblings live and to keep up with traffic easily here in Southern California
That's it? Only 420 miles on a petrol car? Damn. Model Y is 47k (40k after 7.5k incentive) and has 280 miles AWD 0-60 in 5 secs. More space then your rav 4 and doesn't have build quality issues because it is made at their Texas factory not fremont. All the Tesla features are amazing and you just don't get that on the rav 4.
@@lachlanB323 you say only 420 miles as if the 140 mile difference between the two is negligible. And that's 420 miles you can get in about 5min at the station compared to hours for the Y, assuming he even lives near a charging station.
For how long has the Y been 40k? Because they have gone through several price decreases recently. When he got his rav4 it might've been much more expensive.
@@onesteeltank 140 miles negligible when you can charge overnight in a Tesla. When you go for your road trip you will have full charge while your rav 4 won't. Also can you do anything during those 5 minutes of filling up on fuel? With an ev you can go get some food go to the rest room etc.
@@onesteeltank It was relatively recent change. As of right now it is 47k (40k with incentives) and may go lower because of an increase in production. Although q3 and Q4 have higher demand so they may just stay the same or increase a tiny bit.
It's roughly the same size as a Jeep Renegade. The Renegade is just taller
ll modern volvo's run google's system natively but also acomodate carplay
No idea of the SUVs the just mentioned to make it easy to understand xD hahaha… smaller than a Nissan Rogue? 🤔
Nissan kicks maybe
Yeah you can get so many gas cars with 30k miles for like 15k. We need much cheaper evs
Plug in hybrids really should be the near future of cars (now - 2030) before EV infrastructure is ready, it just makes more sense. Too bad the government, media and the public only care about BEVs. PHEVs eliminate range anxiety and unpredictable charging situation, and generally cheaper than going full electric.
Good call on the Volvo - great entry level option.
But let go of the Toyota love. The Prius has outlived its usefulness. That’s overpriced old tech. Between hybrids and hydrogen, Toyota needs to get over themselves and go all in on EV.
But whats the actual price AFTER stealership markups ?😂
Volvo is owned by Geely same as polestar
275 miles claimed on a 26kwh battery is laughable. It will barely get half of it if you're lucky. And you're rich people. This cost is atrocious.
MKBHD people are really out of touch. Cars have been really expensive in the past decade. People are earning 40k a year and they can’t even afford 600$ monthly payments let alone 1100$.
To say Polestar is a Volvo brand, is not 100% accurate. Volvo is part of Geely, a Chinese company, and Polestar was in theory spun off from Volvo to be their own thing. Volvo, Lotus, and their Chinese brands.
Will they nail the $35,000 price point in the US, maybe. These will face a 25% tariff charge because these will be Chinese vehicles. None of the IRA or most likely local government rebates will apply to this vehicle.
Technically Volvo Cars is the biggest shareholder of Polestar, so one might call it a Volvo brand. But in the end it’s more of a philosophical question. The two brands and their design languages are very closely linked.
@@JonoConstantini I think my main point was Volvo making a cheaper SUV should not be so shocking for a Geely company. Volvo Cars is all owned by Geely. The Chinese builder, which is basically where all Volvo EVs are made these days, is smart using the Volvo brand to gain acceptance in other markets that might be so open to an obvious Chinese company. Certainly true in the US.
US buyers seem kind of clueless at times. Jeep is consider the most American vehicle builder in some surveys of buyers, even though they make a ton vehicles in their Mexico factories.
If you go based on labor and parts, Tesla has the top four most American vehicles in 2022 and I would guess 2023. That includes more American than a F150.
I do no think buyers understand how whole dashes can be made in Mexico and motors can be made in other countries and then sent to a factory in the US for final assembly.
For me, Volvo is not as premium as they once were as a brand. They still make some high priced vehicles, but I believe Geely wants them to be a mass market brand more than premium. I believe Polestar is going to be their upmarket brand.
I only found out yesterday that the MKBHD studio is in NJ, not that far away from me. This fact is still blowing my mind.
At 35k that's 10x more than my used prius that I got 2020 precovid
Prius is an ICE vehicle
The Chinese strategy really is working. The Volvo looks a great deal
That’s like a student loan 🥺
costco sells cars at msrp :D
I think you need to investigate the Geely Brand which includes :- Volvo/Polestar/Smart/Lotus/Zeeker So this Volvo is a variant of the Smart no.1 next will be variants of Smart No.3 /Zeeker X probably EX40
I am very happy for EVs being cheaper, you know why? Because if regular people buy the EVs then the pollution will really start going down
Like come on, do you think the enthusiast who owns a Ferrari and drives it once a month pollutes more than all of the people who drive massive SUVs with massive engines (That are more stressed because of the bigger weight so they pollute even more) to get groceries and move arround everyday? 🙄
If we really want to reduce pollution we need to redesign cities to limit the need for vehicles within city limits. Then cars can be used to travel further distances or go to places within cities
I agree. I don't think every car should be forced to be an ev, but the boring commuter cars definitely should. 99% of the problem solved and everyone is happy
EVs still cause both noise and air pollution. A better answer is fewer cars.
I used to say how much I was looking forward to all cars being electric because wouldn't the air be so clean in cities now... then I thought about how bad for you brake dust is
@@EdwardsNH wouldn't EVs generate less brake dust because they use regenerative braking?
Would be nice if the new norm for a “cheap” car wasn’t one in the 30-35k range
The Volvo EX30 isn't cheap in Ireland. Even in the base config it costs more than a Tesla model Y. Given that it's mass produced in China, what gives with that? Geely (who owns Volvo) are selling another car on the same platform called the Zeekr X which has a much higher spec for less money - same trim level and range as the premium EX30 for about €10,000 less. All I can surmise is consumers are going to get screwed because the name Volvo is on the car and it won't be good value.
No, what? Its really not as big as EV6 or GV60, not even close. Much much shorter. The length of the car should be one of the first things you look up about the car?
Good EVs are getting cheaper and cheap EVs are getting better.
Volvo is owned by Geely a Chinese company
Isn’t the Toyota BZ4X basically the EV version of the RAV 4, it’s not the same but still pretty cool looking I think
I hope not, the bZ4X/Solterra is mediocre in comparison to other EV SUVs
The Prius Prime will take over 10 years to eek back the difference in price via EV use. Not great value.
Fair car price = 20k
Fair home price = 200k Anything over is still too much.
The cheapest electric vehicle is an ebike and gets 40 miles
If you live in a city, the average round trip is 7 miles.
Explains why e-bikes are outselling EVs.
.... the real question: are cheaper EV's getting better? 🤔
Prices may be coming down, but only Tesla and BYD are making profits on them. We'll see if they can scale enough for them to stay cheap, let alone in business
Volvo is now chine's owned.
"It's like EV6... It's small."
The US is out of whack when it comes to car sizes. These aren't small, in many cases way bigger and heavier than they need to be, and continue the trend of wasting more resources than absolutely needed.
From the rest of the world, get a frakkin grip.
It’s so cute
this is so delusional. the prices are out of control. $60 is the average now.
Volvo is Chinese owned now
Great news. Now we can end EV tax credits!
why do i keep on hearing vulvas?
Why does everyone seem to feel they need a brand new full EV?
I’d recommend buying a used plug-in hybrid that’s 5-8 years old if you have the means to charge it, or else a regular hybrid that’s a few years old. I suspect that a lot of people think that if their commute is 40 minutes long, that it will deplete 40 miles of range in that time. But in reality a lot of people drive a while to get to the highway or freeway, hit traffic or have to wait at a bunch at lights and the distance of their commute is actually much shorter than they expect if they think every minute driven covers a mile. People also might be surprised by how many free charging locations there are near their house or place of work. A lot of people don’t check that kind of data because if you don’t have a vehicle with a plug, you never needed to know.
A used gen 2 Chevy volt or a plug-in Honda Clarity are essentially the same thing as that new Prius prime. Only you can get one for much less money because they are a few years old and a lot of the people who had a plug-in hybrid 4-7 years ago when they were new, are now trading them in for a full EV. Even though they and most people can use all-electric mode on a good plug-in hybrid for 95% of their trips. If those people were smart with money for cars purchases they wouldn’t have bought the new plug-in hybrid when they were new. New cars are a bad financial move most of the time for most people. 2023 is very different from around 2017 or even around 2020 when it comes to purchasing used plug in hybrids and EVs. You can actually get a pretty good used one now for a decent price. Just stay away from a Nissan leaf or any other EV or plug-in hybrid that doesn’t prioritize cooling the battery effectively to preserve the range.
Definitely wrong by the time you add the kit you need all these cars will be over £40k and and with the average wage about £30k these cars are out of the reach of most drivers. They also are more expensive to insure and it costs more to change an EV per mile than petrol.
So the prius is basically now a Chevy Volt with slightly less ev range and 33% more gas range. Tbh not bad.
Nope!
Unless there is a new massive breakthrough in battery technology and we replace the very limited lithium. This is just not sustainable.
Sodium batteries are looking promising
@@ExclamationMarx i don't know if sodium abundant, it doesn't look like something you could use to make 30 million cars for the next 100 years. In my opinion the only way out is hydrogen the most common element on earth. Other than that everything else is just not practical or sustainable?
@@algeriapower7242 Sodium is the fourth most abundant element on Earth. Google it
That Prius is like a homeless man’s dream
Tesla has some competition finally.
Define cheap
until they don't go below $30k, they are not affordable.
These guys are rich.
If Tesla opens superchargers up to Volvo evs , imma trade my MY for it
:)
Yeah They are getting Cheaper… WHY ?.. Because No One wants them … GM Motors have stopped all production of EVs for Good , and Every other Car Manufacturer will follow suit within 3 months. EVs are the Biggest Disaster to Hit the Car Industry since the Great Depression….. And Thank the Lord …😂
Volvo is owned by a Chinese company.
Hearing non car people talk about cars is always wierd.
Stop saying "Vulva"
the irony is EV are NOT the most environmentally friendly cars.
Disappointing how car-centric this channel is. EVs do next to nothing for sustainability and don’t solve the inherent problem with cars - they take up too much space and ruin great places.
What do you mean ruin?
@@JeskidoYTI think they mean the infrastructure required for cars. Highways in the middle of cities, parking lots taking up more space than the buildings themselves, etc. Roads are just expensive to maintain and we keep building more of them.
Cars = Freedom. If you want to be a lemming and sit in mass transport, have at it. The rest of us want our mobility.
@@WestCoastAce27bad take. How is NEEDING a car freedom? I want the freedom to not HAVE to drive. In the US and Canada you’re literally a slave to the car and car infrastructure.
@@WestCoastAce27 Bud. I have a car. Don’t think we can’t do better leaving them at home and using mass transit to avoid traffic. Don’t think we weren’t “free” before someone sold you a car.
I actually think this is one of the worst looking front ends from Volvo 😅
"urban" right, so dismal range. There is no such thing as good EV with under 250mi winter range. I had 6 of those since 2009. They are useless garbage as you still need a real car, so double the costs of ownership and need to constantly rely on working and available chargers wherever you go. Such pain, don't waste money on these ewaste trashcans, theywill be worthless in 2 - 3 years as real EVs with 80+kWh will become affordable.