Freni is willing to help. In Russia they do not teach bel canto. They teach by the old Soviet system that emphasises the word and not the sound. And she is one of the queens of bel canto.
She knew how to sing and she does get it out of some of them quite successfully. Placement was key for her and should be for all. Brava to the angel who left us with so much. She is stupendous!!!!
It is not placement, it is closure of the glottis, addiction of the cords, to make an audible, flying sound…she did not place her voice when she sang, with these students she was looking for a sound that was more penetrative, and she thought this meant she should put her hands up to her face as if to encourage more mask singing, that this might get the sound she desired… but that was not what she needed to encourage… she wanted the sound made my glottal singing… not collapsed, woofy singing
She cannot transmit her enormous knowledge in some minutes. Or maybe at all. She was a huge artist, technical genius. We all try to learn by looking and hearing her. ❤
I would have just about wet myself having to sing for my favorite Puccini soprano. Interesting she uses a translator as she was married to the great Nikolai Ghiarov I would've thought she knew a bit of Russian....in fact a bit later in her career Ghiarov got her to sing some Russian operas..... Tchaikovsky!
She was basically just trying to get them all to sing with clearer vowels as they all had the same problem of that overly woofy voice. There's such a requirement for "dark" and "big" in opera that they've lost their core, squillo! It's CHIAROscuro which means you need a balance of open and clear. This depressed larynx creates neither. The words in opera are actually meant to be understood lol
There is difference between what she’s telling and how singers understand it. You need some right development to get her words. Most of girls tried to imitate Netrebko’s weird ‘potato’ sound. Eventually everyone sounded ingolato, so of course Freni tried to pull out their voices. The problem is - you can’t pull out anything if your throat is closed, larynx high and so on. You just go from potato sound to mosquito. Freni still got some old school, so she sang with super opened throat, which allowed her to play with her head/mixed resonances. Yeah… the language! You need to study Italian pronunciation(other languages too) like crazy. If properly pronounced, it can help a bit to fix some problems…And the support, well there should be another masterclass just for body feeling.
Царствие небесное певице Мирелле... Но она вела себя не красиво, кривляясь, издавала звуки, обижала певиц которые пришли не с улицы а с музыкальным образованием , надо было действовать деликатнее ...
@@ВладимирАлымов-т4в Same delicate as Russia now treats Ukraine? Never mind… I find teaching system is broken also because students are too sensitive. I cried my first lessons of singing, but later I realised, that strict behavior of my professor brought me where I am now. Singing as a professional. Opera business isn’t for weak ones. And no I’m not crazy and I like respect and kind relationship, but unfortunately not what we need to expect while working as professional opera singers. Stage directors and conductors are nasty, so better sooner to learn how to handle them.
Excellent analysis! Potato to mosquito- hilarious! YES. Lowered larynx, pure vowels, open throat, but allowing the BRIGHT ITALIAN VOWELS to resonate in both pharyngeal as well as the nano-pharynx. The whole voice.
@@ВладимирАлымов-т4вI maestri di canto devo esagerare i nostri errori per farci capire cosa rischiamo di fare, funziona così. C’è chi corregge gli errori e chi se ne frega😄
Madame la soprano si vous plaît gar votre calme ou rentrer dans votre belle maison 🏡 vous avez eu votre très belle carrière je comprends que vous vouliez rester en contact avec des jeunes mais si vous criée trop ils vont tous fuir 😒🤕😕
My opinion is my opinion - you don’t get to outright say “she did not.” That is your opinion, and that is fine - but you don’t get to discredit mine. Singers simply will not improve when any teacher is barking at them and mocking the sounds they are making. Freni was an extraordinary singer - but, sorry - a teacher she was not.
@@mid-zz6ct And this student will go back to her school sounding woofy and small. And we the audience won’t get good singers in the future... And you are offended. Halleluja...
@@draganvidic2039 and you are an internet troll who craps on everyone's comments and on everyone's singing all the time. Your reputation precedes you. Although, I am sure that you are not a singer; voice teacher; coach; or anyone remotely connected to the world of singing in any way other than being a nasty opera queen.
Freni was singing as if she had swallowed a hot potatoe during the last part of her career, ...with good results... I would love to see what she would teach to Ewa Podles, Paata Burchuladzé, or even to the great Christa Ludwig with her foggy covered middle register..
Freni fue una cantante superlativa, heredera de la tradición italiana, con sonido brillante y expansivo, igual que Pavarotti. Aquí ya está vieja, con cero paciencia, cero modales y ni el más mínimo criterio pedagógico. Por otra parte, si bien los alumnos tienen unas voces hermosas, su técnica es deficiente, con los sonidos oscurecidos artificialmente, como cantan la mayoría de los cantantes líricos profesionales en la actualidad. Es una pena que esa antigua tradición italiana está cayendo cada vez más en el olvido. Para Freni no pasa inadvertida esa deficiencia técnica en los alumnos. Pero claro, hay maneras y maneras de corregir. Ridiculizar o violentar al alumno, definitivamente no es el modo.
por si a alguien le interesa,la técnica italiana básicamente se centra en colocar la voz en la máscara con la primera fase del bostezo,con una respiración costodiafragmatica alta, y una relajación absoluta del instrumento. En los agudos se proyecta la voz a la frente, sin empujar el aire.
The problem with masterclasses like this is no path is given to make the necessary technical adjustment. Harping on the issue in a belittling manner does not help, and certainly does not make an environment for growth. Good teaching provides a means forwards for students. Naming the issue is something, but there’s not path forward given….
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I love Freni but I find most masterclasses kind of unbearable, especially when the teacher is trying to offer stylistic advice. You can’t be musical unless your technique is solid. If a singer isn’t relaxed when they inhale/exhale, the tone will be inconsistent and squeezed. Also, I feel like a lot of this repertoire was too difficult for where these students were at the time, technically speaking.
Also instructing singers to make their voices more “free” or “bringing the voice more forward isn’t helpful advice at all. You have to isolate the breath and articulators to do that.
Ma la funzione di una master class è evitare Che si intraprendano cammini con una técnica péssima e falsa e qui la freni há 2000 % di ragione, la cantante per dare un falso timbro e volume sembra aver ingoiato due patate di un kg
@@carlabruscolini9877 E secondo te dicendo " libera la voce" togli le patate ? Bisogna prendere il cantante e lavorare sull'emissione.Le master class sono un modo quasi sempre di continuare a guadagnare o mantenere alto L' ego.....bisogna smetterla
@@maxdub8373 se é cosi banale, é molto strano Che un número enorme di cantanti usciti dal conservatório abbiano difetti grossolani. Ed é gravíssimo. Se una super cantante si ritrova davanti gente Che dovrebbe ripartire dall ABC (e in Russia piu Che mai), non puo far Altro Che ripartire da li. La mirella poi si dedicava individualmente aí cantanti Che seguiva, e se lá invitano a dare una master class e insistono e ne sono felici, Ben venga. Se gli allievi fossero piu preparati, I temi sarebbero senza dubbio altri. Ma questi sono all abc. E purtroppo ci continuano a sguazzare dentro e pare Che oggi non ci sia piu nessuno a opporsi all uso di stratagemmi da baracchino Che rendono lá você cupa, brutta, antinaturale, poco agile, in una parola una schifezza. E Questa gente poi viene chiamata per aprire lá stagione della scala (Anna netrebko, ormai una cagna ululante). In un contesto cosi deprimente richiamare alla memória una cantante Che uso' lá você all opposto di Questa gente e con grandissima onesta' é assolutamente indispensabile. E che ribadisca l ovvio, di fronte ad allievi raccapriccianti, é pure indispensabile. Ripeto, se nel 2019 si fã aprire lá stagione scaligera alla netrebko, é proprio questo ovvio Che é indispensabile ribadire
@@maxdub8373 tant é Che lá prima allieva continua a cantare cosi e a storpiare le meraviglie. Deve aver seguito le Orme della Horne piu Che quelle della freni : th-cam.com/video/VeWcAwNpLg4/w-d-xo.html
E' mancata oggi la "nostra" Mirella! Un giorno triste per gli appassionati di musica lirica. Con estrema commozione sto scrivendo queste poche righe su questa grande cantante modenese,proprio come il suo caro amico Pavarotti che l'ha preceduta da ormai molti anni,nell'Olimpo dei grandi!
Es mala la vieja pero tiene razón y sabe de verdad. Se parece a una profesora de literatura que tenia a excepción que esta última era obesa y se pintaba todo el párpado de azul y usaba una campera de igual color😅
You are exaggerating. She didn't say he needed her, she said he sometimes asked for advice, which is what everyone would do if they were singers and married to Mirella Freni for 29 years. And I'm sure it was reciprocal. The point she was making is that, besides being a teacher and a singer herself, she had a third point of view to look at these arias, which was her husband practicing and studying them over the 29 years they were together.
Hace tiempo un tal Galleguillos me quiso corregir diciendo que estaba bien maltratar a los alumnos porque la señora estudio en grandes escuelas, se equivoca, si a él lo despreciare algún violinista famoso no le gustaría tampoco ya que está mal,por más genio que sea,no hay que olvidar el don de ser gente correcta.
En una clase no se puede aprender una tecnica que como mínimo se necesita de uno a tres años para aprender la base, y con respecto a imitar.una voz como la gran Anna netrevko es bueno imitar a los grandes ejemplos,se puede aprender mucho.
This shows ALL that is wrong with modern singing: absolutely horrible. Most of these singers cannot even sing a good scale let alone these bel canto arias. Freni looks exasperated.
This is terrible of Freni. It’s impossible to change anything technical in a few minutes. And there’s no common language; the singer is likely very confused. Ok, yes, Freni was a great artist (and I saw her onstage several times), but she’s a terrible teacher. Take a look at some of the master classes with Gwyneth Jones. She gives very detailed instructions on tongue placement, mouth position, posture, resonance. The singers are vastly improved after her instruction. She doesn’t mock the students; if they don’t understand her instructions, she explains it again.
Gwyneth was never presented with such beginners or singers with so many vocal deficiencies. The problem here was the organisers. They presented students who could barely sing and most of them with issues that could never be rectified in being part of a 15 min(?) masterclass. Freni was obviously expecting to be presented with people who were were much more advanced in their technique. Most of what she said went over their heads - and one senses her frustration as she was realising that - One can almost here asking herself "what am I doing here??" The whole event was pointless!
Freni was a natural singer, and that's the problem: natural singers often don't actually know what they are doing, so they don't know how to describe it technically. Also, she was Italian, so correct tongue positions were second nature to her, whereas they are not for Russian singers (or English-language singers).
@@ER1CwC agreed during the sixties and seventies but during the 80s her voice changed a lot - she developed and put into practice a very solid technique - Ghiaurov himself told me “she is way more advanced technically than me - she knows precisely what she is doing and knows exactly how to get where she wants” If you watch videos of her that date back to mid eighties you can see her concentrating on placing the voice in the mask and jaw position when covering her top notes. The voice was not always as round as it became during the 80’s
@@Yves_Ka I think she found a technique for herself to prolong her career. She should certainly be commended for that. But I don't think she had to ever think about basic, basic things like getting the tongue forward and out of the throat. She makes 'ingolata' sounds here to kind of demonstrate the problem. That's helpful insofar as the student can only fix the problem by first understanding that there is a problem. But she doesn't know how to describe the solution.
Impatient, rude and condescending. It takes a lot of courage for a young artist to stand there facing all their insecurities and sing in front of a crowd that came to hear a singer judge them. I never understand why all the great singers who do these ridiculous "Masterclasses" for money act so bothered and angry that the singers in front of them are not Callas and Caruso. What do they think; that they would be able to change a singer's technique within 5 minutes by giving vague advise and and ironically mimicking them? Immense respect to the great Joan Sutherland that for very good reason refused to give Masterclasses knowing very well that here impeccable technique cannot be imparted within 5 minutes
I don't agree. It's better to be truthful than beat about the bush. Maybe to some of these students there was a sawed seed so they can change their ways of training voice which has been wrong all the time. Masterclasses like this are more probable to have a big influence for the future. Like a cold shower which most people need.
Thank you so much for saying this! I remember watching this masterclass many years ago and being absolutely repulsed by Freni's behavior. I have no idea why this popped up on my feed again today, but all those feelings resurfaced. Freni and "master clinicians" like her don't know how to fix an issue so what do they do? Blame the student for not having the information. It's maddening. This is not a brilliant masterclass given by master teacher. Not by a long shot. And what's worse, I think, is that the audience there and many here on this thread applaud this "teaching style" as if it is some great work and achievement she's pulling off by mocking students and telling them to get off the stage and go home. This is not a shining moment for Freni.
I think you’re right. It’s impossible to change anything technical in a few minutes. And there’s no common language; the singer is likely very confused. Ok, yes, Freni was a great artist (and I saw her onstage several times), but she’s a terrible teacher. Take a look at some of the master classes with Gwyneth Jones. She gives very detailed instructions on tongue placement, mouth position, posture, resonance. The singers are vastly improved after her instruction.
@@courtneybaritone0136 The problem here was the organisers. They presented students who could barely sing and most of them with issues that could never be rectified in being part of a 15 min(?) masterclass. Freni was obviously expecting to be presented with people who were were much more advanced in their technique. Most of what she said went over their heads - and one senses her frustration as she was realising that - One can almost here asking herself "what am I doing here??" The whole event was pointless!
@@carlabruscolini9877 che sanno tutti.Ogni persona va studiata singolarmey...alto basso,gira copri..respira...lo dicono anche i maestri di canto che non hanno mai cantato
@maxdub8373se tutti sapessero queste cose (in pratica, non in teoria), tutti avrebbero una tecnica eccellente. La differenza è che lei fa esempi concreti, che possono essere compresi o meno perché il rapporto tra insegnante e studente è sempre ambivalente e non è detto che lei sia quella adatta a loro. Ecco, magari questa è una cosa che sanno tutti.
This might be the funniest Masterclass that I’ve seen . She was a great artist !
Bruh I’m actually dying laughing 💀💀💀💀when she mimics them I CANT
Freni is willing to help. In Russia they do not teach bel canto. They teach by the old Soviet system that emphasises the word and not the sound. And she is one of the queens of bel canto.
She knew how to sing and she does get it out of some of them quite successfully. Placement was key for her and should be for all. Brava to the angel who left us with so much. She is stupendous!!!!
It is not placement, it is closure of the glottis, addiction of the cords, to make an audible, flying sound…she did not place her voice when she sang, with these students she was looking for a sound that was more penetrative, and she thought this meant she should put her hands up to her face as if to encourage more mask singing, that this might get the sound she desired… but that was not what she needed to encourage… she wanted the sound made my glottal singing… not collapsed, woofy singing
We need more teachers like this, in all fields! She truly was the real deal.
She cannot transmit her enormous knowledge in some minutes. Or maybe at all. She was a huge artist, technical genius. We all try to learn by looking and hearing her. ❤
They were mostly all trying to imitate the poor Anna Netrebko.
I Love Freni even from her first min of the video (1:33)
😅😅😅😅😅@@OperaMyWorld
It is The Legend of Singing Lesson ever. I miss her a lot.. 😭
I would have just about wet myself having to sing for my favorite Puccini soprano. Interesting she uses a translator as she was married to the great Nikolai Ghiarov I would've thought she knew a bit of Russian....in fact a bit later in her career Ghiarov got her to sing some Russian operas..... Tchaikovsky!
She was basically just trying to get them all to sing with clearer vowels as they all had the same problem of that overly woofy voice. There's such a requirement for "dark" and "big" in opera that they've lost their core, squillo! It's CHIAROscuro which means you need a balance of open and clear. This depressed larynx creates neither. The words in opera are actually meant to be understood lol
The interpreter is excellent.
Она сейчас сотрудничает с Большим театром и уже не первый год)
There is difference between what she’s telling and how singers understand it. You need some right development to get her words. Most of girls tried to imitate Netrebko’s weird ‘potato’ sound. Eventually everyone sounded ingolato, so of course Freni tried to pull out their voices. The problem is - you can’t pull out anything if your throat is closed, larynx high and so on. You just go from potato sound to mosquito. Freni still got some old school, so she sang with super opened throat, which allowed her to play with her head/mixed resonances.
Yeah… the language! You need to study Italian pronunciation(other languages too) like crazy. If properly pronounced, it can help a bit to fix some problems…And the support, well there should be another masterclass just for body feeling.
Царствие небесное певице Мирелле... Но она вела себя не красиво, кривляясь, издавала звуки, обижала певиц которые пришли не с улицы а с музыкальным образованием , надо было действовать деликатнее ...
@@ВладимирАлымов-т4в Same delicate as Russia now treats Ukraine? Never mind… I find teaching system is broken also because students are too sensitive. I cried my first lessons of singing, but later I realised, that strict behavior of my professor brought me where I am now. Singing as a professional. Opera business isn’t for weak ones. And no I’m not crazy and I like respect and kind relationship, but unfortunately not what we need to expect while working as professional opera singers. Stage directors and conductors are nasty, so better sooner to learn how to handle them.
Excellent analysis! Potato to mosquito- hilarious! YES. Lowered larynx, pure vowels, open throat, but allowing the BRIGHT ITALIAN VOWELS to resonate in both pharyngeal as well as the nano-pharynx. The whole voice.
@@ВладимирАлымов-т4вI maestri di canto devo esagerare i nostri errori per farci capire cosa rischiamo di fare, funziona così. C’è chi corregge gli errori e chi se ne frega😄
I can't get enough of it. Brava, Freni.
Neither can I. She is something else.
04:34, frittella
14:00, Regnava nel silenzio
19:12, Faust
23:35, Freni accenna
25:45, Caro nome
27:20, miò desir
27:52, cali
32:35, Fia dunque vero
34:38, mi devi spettinare
38:20, Non più andrai
5:55, 34:58, 2:06, 3:25, 5:24, 13:33, 14:13, 15:11, 17:23, 35:12 lol
34:03 - Although Freni has never sung the piece, she notices, by her great musicality, that the singer misses a note.
Madame la soprano si vous plaît gar votre calme ou rentrer dans votre belle maison 🏡 vous avez eu votre très belle carrière je comprends que vous vouliez rester en contact avec des jeunes mais si vous criée trop ils vont tous fuir 😒🤕😕
La alumna primera tiene una bella voz y presencia que siga adelante ☺️.
Whay dont give examples singing(mirella) in the tessitura of soprano?
I absolutely loved Freni's singing - but, she acted like an impatient bully in this masterclass.
She did not. It’s time students learn if opera is going to survive...
Most cannot listen and Freni is just very honest and won’t accept any crap.
My opinion is my opinion - you don’t get to outright say “she did not.” That is your opinion, and that is fine - but you don’t get to discredit mine.
Singers simply will not improve when any teacher is barking at them and mocking the sounds they are making.
Freni was an extraordinary singer - but, sorry - a teacher she was not.
@@mid-zz6ct
And this student will go back to her school sounding woofy and small.
And we the audience won’t get good singers in the future...
And you are offended. Halleluja...
@@draganvidic2039 and you are an internet troll who craps on everyone's comments and on everyone's singing all the time. Your reputation precedes you. Although, I am sure that you are not a singer; voice teacher; coach; or anyone remotely connected to the world of singing in any way other than being a nasty opera queen.
@@mid-zz6ct ZZZzzzzzzzzzz
Is it possible to add English and perhaps other subtitles 🤔
This masterclass lifts up my dopamine and serotonin 😂levels
Freni was singing as if she had swallowed a hot potatoe during the last part of her career, ...with good results...
I would love to see what she would teach to Ewa Podles, Paata Burchuladzé, or even to the great Christa Ludwig with her foggy covered middle register..
Freni fue una cantante superlativa, heredera de la tradición italiana, con sonido brillante y expansivo, igual que Pavarotti. Aquí ya está vieja, con cero paciencia, cero modales y ni el más mínimo criterio pedagógico. Por otra parte, si bien los alumnos tienen unas voces hermosas, su técnica es deficiente, con los sonidos oscurecidos artificialmente, como cantan la mayoría de los cantantes líricos profesionales en la actualidad. Es una pena que esa antigua tradición italiana está cayendo cada vez más en el olvido. Para Freni no pasa inadvertida esa deficiencia técnica en los alumnos. Pero claro, hay maneras y maneras de corregir. Ridiculizar o violentar al alumno, definitivamente no es el modo.
Nicolai was brillant. What is his second Name?
Actually thats the way to teach and get the best resutls! not to focus to much about the interpretation before the voice is not really working!
Her name is Natalia Zimina.
por si a alguien le interesa,la técnica italiana básicamente se centra en colocar la voz en la máscara con la primera fase del bostezo,con una respiración costodiafragmatica alta, y una relajación absoluta del instrumento. En los agudos se proyecta la voz a la frente, sin empujar el aire.
The problem with masterclasses like this is no path is given to make the necessary technical adjustment. Harping on the issue in a belittling manner does not help, and certainly does not make an environment for growth.
Good teaching provides a means forwards for students. Naming the issue is something, but there’s not path forward given….
Did the author of this video delete my comment and responses?
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I love Freni but I find most masterclasses kind of unbearable, especially when the teacher is trying to offer stylistic advice. You can’t be musical unless your technique is solid. If a singer isn’t relaxed when they inhale/exhale, the tone will be inconsistent and squeezed. Also, I feel like a lot of this repertoire was too difficult for where these students were at the time, technically speaking.
Also instructing singers to make their voices more “free” or “bringing the voice more forward isn’t helpful advice at all. You have to isolate the breath and articulators to do that.
Ma la funzione di una master class è evitare Che si intraprendano cammini con una técnica péssima e falsa e qui la freni há 2000 % di ragione, la cantante per dare un falso timbro e volume sembra aver ingoiato due patate di un kg
@@carlabruscolini9877 E secondo te dicendo " libera la voce" togli le patate ? Bisogna prendere il cantante e lavorare sull'emissione.Le master class sono un modo quasi sempre di continuare a guadagnare o mantenere alto L' ego.....bisogna smetterla
@@maxdub8373 se é cosi banale, é molto strano Che un número enorme di cantanti usciti dal conservatório abbiano difetti grossolani. Ed é gravíssimo. Se una super cantante si ritrova davanti gente Che dovrebbe ripartire dall ABC (e in Russia piu Che mai), non puo far Altro Che ripartire da li. La mirella poi si dedicava individualmente aí cantanti Che seguiva, e se lá invitano a dare una master class e insistono e ne sono felici, Ben venga. Se gli allievi fossero piu preparati, I temi sarebbero senza dubbio altri. Ma questi sono all abc. E purtroppo ci continuano a sguazzare dentro e pare Che oggi non ci sia piu nessuno a opporsi all uso di stratagemmi da baracchino Che rendono lá você cupa, brutta, antinaturale, poco agile, in una parola una schifezza. E Questa gente poi viene chiamata per aprire lá stagione della scala (Anna netrebko, ormai una cagna ululante). In un contesto cosi deprimente richiamare alla memória una cantante Che uso' lá você all opposto di Questa gente e con grandissima onesta' é assolutamente indispensabile. E che ribadisca l ovvio, di fronte ad allievi raccapriccianti, é pure indispensabile. Ripeto, se nel 2019 si fã aprire lá stagione scaligera alla netrebko, é proprio questo ovvio Che é indispensabile ribadire
@@maxdub8373 tant é Che lá prima allieva continua a cantare cosi e a storpiare le meraviglie. Deve aver seguito le Orme della Horne piu Che quelle della freni :
th-cam.com/video/VeWcAwNpLg4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much
lol Freni was not impressed
E' mancata oggi la "nostra" Mirella! Un giorno triste per gli appassionati di musica lirica. Con estrema commozione sto scrivendo queste poche righe su questa grande cantante modenese,proprio come il suo caro amico Pavarotti che l'ha preceduta da ormai molti anni,nell'Olimpo dei grandi!
@@ivanoporrino3352 Si Ivano... Un saluto Da Modena
Как бас классно смог сразу схватить главное.
Grâce à dieu je n'ai pas de voix 😊👍🙏
Es mala la vieja pero tiene razón y sabe de verdad. Se parece a una profesora de literatura que tenia a excepción que esta última era obesa y se pintaba todo el párpado de azul y usaba una campera de igual color😅
26:16
Nicolai didn’t need her help. He used to sing brilliantly before even knowing her. Let’s not exaggerate, sweet Ms Freni.
Sure, all the ambulances and mosquitoes sing excellently then...
You are exaggerating. She didn't say he needed her, she said he sometimes asked for advice, which is what everyone would do if they were singers and married to Mirella Freni for 29 years. And I'm sure it was reciprocal. The point she was making is that, besides being a teacher and a singer herself, she had a third point of view to look at these arias, which was her husband practicing and studying them over the 29 years they were together.
What is the Name of the first Girl singing "Ah quel giorno ognor ramento" ? She is great !
Great??? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Great???????
Freni=méchante femme
Elle ni mais pas de manière c'est le prix a payer lorsque on veut être une bonne soprano 🎶🎼
Hace tiempo un tal Galleguillos me quiso corregir diciendo que estaba bien maltratar a los alumnos porque la señora estudio en grandes escuelas, se equivoca, si a él lo despreciare algún violinista famoso no le gustaría tampoco ya que está mal,por más genio que sea,no hay que olvidar el don de ser gente correcta.
Obrigada
what aria is the 32:45 ?
O mio Fernando - La Favorita
En una clase no se puede aprender una tecnica que como mínimo se necesita de uno a tres años para aprender la base, y con respecto a imitar.una voz como la gran Anna netrevko es bueno imitar a los grandes ejemplos,se puede aprender mucho.
L'ho sempre ammirata come cantante ma, qui mi sembra una vecchia scostumata e violenta. Da insegnante dico che questi non sono i modi corretti.
Brava!
This shows ALL that is wrong with modern singing: absolutely horrible. Most of these singers cannot even sing a good scale let alone these bel canto arias. Freni looks exasperated.
She sure did! Said something along the lines of "I may be old, but I'm not stupid! And I can still hear!"
No one’s talking about how good that bass was. What a voice and great musicality.
04:34 FRITTELLA
Masterclass on bullying
0 umanità, 0 eleganza
Viva la Caballe per il suo sorriso e la sua trasmissione ai giovanni...
21:32
Je l'adore Mirella Freni ❤
14:13-14:17 😂😂😂
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This is terrible of Freni. It’s impossible to change anything technical in a few minutes. And there’s no common language; the singer is likely very confused. Ok, yes, Freni was a great artist (and I saw her onstage several times), but she’s a terrible teacher. Take a look at some of the master classes with Gwyneth Jones. She gives very detailed instructions on tongue placement, mouth position, posture, resonance. The singers are vastly improved after her instruction. She doesn’t mock the students; if they don’t understand her instructions, she explains it again.
@@johnboy8576 Too bad she didn't make her sing well
Gwyneth was never presented with such beginners or singers with so many vocal deficiencies. The problem here was the organisers. They presented students who could barely sing and most of them with issues that could never be rectified in being part of a 15 min(?) masterclass. Freni was obviously expecting to be presented with people who were were much more advanced in their technique. Most of what she said went over their heads - and one senses her frustration as she was realising that - One can almost here asking herself "what am I doing here??"
The whole event was pointless!
Freni was a natural singer, and that's the problem: natural singers often don't actually know what they are doing, so they don't know how to describe it technically. Also, she was Italian, so correct tongue positions were second nature to her, whereas they are not for Russian singers (or English-language singers).
@@ER1CwC agreed during the sixties and seventies but during the 80s her voice changed a lot - she developed and put into practice a very solid technique - Ghiaurov himself told me “she is way more advanced technically than me - she knows precisely what she is doing and knows exactly how to get where she wants” If you watch videos of her that date back to mid eighties you can see her concentrating on placing the voice in the mask and jaw position when covering her top notes. The voice was not always as round as it became during the 80’s
@@Yves_Ka I think she found a technique for herself to prolong her career. She should certainly be commended for that. But I don't think she had to ever think about basic, basic things like getting the tongue forward and out of the throat. She makes 'ingolata' sounds here to kind of demonstrate the problem. That's helpful insofar as the student can only fix the problem by first understanding that there is a problem. But she doesn't know how to describe the solution.
Mirella era un'emiliana..poche smancerie e quello che ti doveva dire te lo diceva senza mezzi termini
17:34-17:36 🤣🤣🤣
Onyh.
Impatient, rude and condescending. It takes a lot of courage for a young artist to stand there facing all their insecurities and sing in front of a crowd that came to hear a singer judge them.
I never understand why all the great singers who do these ridiculous "Masterclasses" for money act so bothered and angry that the singers in front of them are not Callas and Caruso.
What do they think; that they would be able to change a singer's technique within 5 minutes by giving vague advise and and ironically mimicking them?
Immense respect to the great Joan Sutherland that for very good reason refused to give Masterclasses knowing very well that here impeccable technique cannot be imparted within 5 minutes
I don't agree. It's better to be truthful than beat about the bush. Maybe to some of these students there was a sawed seed so they can change their ways of training voice which has been wrong all the time. Masterclasses like this are more probable to have a big influence for the future. Like a cold shower which most people need.
Thank you so much for saying this! I remember watching this masterclass many years ago and being absolutely repulsed by Freni's behavior. I have no idea why this popped up on my feed again today, but all those feelings resurfaced. Freni and "master clinicians" like her don't know how to fix an issue so what do they do? Blame the student for not having the information. It's maddening. This is not a brilliant masterclass given by master teacher. Not by a long shot. And what's worse, I think, is that the audience there and many here on this thread applaud this "teaching style" as if it is some great work and achievement she's pulling off by mocking students and telling them to get off the stage and go home. This is not a shining moment for Freni.
@@courtneybaritone0136 Mirella Freni always shines.
I think you’re right. It’s impossible to change anything technical in a few minutes. And there’s no common language; the singer is likely very confused. Ok, yes, Freni was a great artist (and I saw her onstage several times), but she’s a terrible teacher. Take a look at some of the master classes with Gwyneth Jones. She gives very detailed instructions on tongue placement, mouth position, posture, resonance. The singers are vastly improved after her instruction.
@@courtneybaritone0136 The problem here was the organisers. They presented students who could barely sing and most of them with issues that could never be rectified in being part of a 15 min(?) masterclass. Freni was obviously expecting to be presented with people who were were much more advanced in their technique. Most of what she said went over their heads - and one senses her frustration as she was realising that - One can almost here asking herself "what am I doing here??"
The whole event was pointless!
Le master class dei grandi sono sempre dei bluff generici..mai capito perché
A me pare Che dica delle cose fondamentali
@@carlabruscolini9877 che sanno tutti.Ogni persona va studiata singolarmey...alto basso,gira copri..respira...lo dicono anche i maestri di canto che non hanno mai cantato
@maxdub8373se tutti sapessero queste cose (in pratica, non in teoria), tutti avrebbero una tecnica eccellente.
La differenza è che lei fa esempi concreti, che possono essere compresi o meno perché il rapporto tra insegnante e studente è sempre ambivalente e non è detto che lei sia quella adatta a loro. Ecco, magari questa è una cosa che sanno tutti.
Sono completamente d'accordo con Mirella
Everyone ha a different way to sing.