In my opinion I don't think Chloe is in love with Adrien. I honestly think she just is really comfortable around him because they have been friends since childhood, also she used to have Adrien to herself because Gabriel wouldn't let Adrien outside the house. But now ever since he's been out she has to get used to him with other people. I just think she gets really jealous but she isn't in love with him.
Is anyone noticing the relationship between Marinette/Adrien and Ladybug/Chat Noir starting to flip? At the beginning Adrien was not interested in her to begin with and saw her as just a friend but Marinette was totally in love with her, but by the NY special, clearly Adrien sees Marinette as something more while Marinette is trying to force herself to see Adrien as just a friend. The same could be said for Ladybug/ Chat Noir. At the beginning Chat Noir was very pushy and forward with Ladybug while she kept giving him the cold shoulder, eventually Chat Noir has started to realise it's pointless to chase her and as seen in the NY special, gave her a friendship rose. On the other hand, Ladybug has started to drift closer to Chat Noir as she realises how much she needs him to fight Hawk Moth and starts to genuinely appreciate his actions, holding hands and kissing cheeks several times during S3. I'm not exactly sure for the future but it sounds like there might be an interesting turn of events in S4/S5
yes, it's really intresting/funny. Imagine if Marinette said that Adrien was "just a friend" we would all kill her but it would be fun to see Adrien's reaction.
Adrien's fallen in love with ladybug😊 Marinette's fallen in love with adrien🤣 Adrien very clearly has repressed feelings for Marienette😅 Marinette said she would consider chat noir if adrien didn't exist😑😐
@@tamaramustapha3569 I mean that shows she cares about chat and that he is important to her...that doesn't exactly equal being into chat noir romantically though.
I just wish this whole secret identity thing can’t blow over someday but not like that I did in Cat blanc That was just a possibility in a bad way I hope in season 4 and 5 Their identities will be revealed in a good way And also yeah I am Not sure if there’s a season five who knows.
They are T^T They really are! It’s just so painful to see Marinette/Ladybug constantly denying her love towards chat noir And Adrien/Chat Noir constantly denying his love towards Mari
@@Emiliodelgado25 then again the miraculous lady bug did fix everything and the only problem was that they needed to forget everything that happened in the future
Yeah!! But tbh he's right within this whole 2 seasons kagami didn’t had any development. It kinda make her a robot 😅 lol. But i have an unpopular opinion, if Chloe 's character developed, she could have been a great character, im not necessarily saying that she is best suited for Adrien tho
@@anurupa2915 Yeah I mean I understand where chloe is coming from and she could be really sweet I just think she’s acting like this to impress her mom since she’s never been involved in her life
I am sure they confirmed that during season 4 Marinette will gain confidence now that she is the new guardian also since she’s trying to see Adrien as a friend I think her stalkerish behaviour will stop and we saw in the ny special that she recognises it and is trying to stop it
Yeah, the NY special had a lot of good steps forward. It had both Car Noir and Marinette recognizing the other not as a romantic interest but as a god friend, which is exactly what needs to happen for Ladybug and Adrien to start returning their feelings. And it also had Ladybug valuing Cat Noir, which . . . it's about time.
@@storystimmler yeah I don't really like miroclours but I don't like how rude she is to him. She acts like she's somehow better. Just my opinion though
@@emmacroker5603 if it makes it better. In an episode of season 4 she said CHAT NOIR AND LADYBUG. Not ladybug and chat noir. Because if I remember correct an episode in the earlier seasons she pointed out cat and bug to bug and cat but now she's not. She said it herself.
@@emmacroker5603 if you don't understand why in saying this its because people usually put the name of the more important person first in the name of a team
summed up my thoughts on Kagami and Mari perfectly I'm not a Kagami hater but her forwardness with Adrien is one sided and at times too aggressive which makes me dislike her and Mari is also cringe but like I've said before, I think her creepiness with Adrien is just the writers not knowing how to write a teenage girl crush and exaggerating way too much, they could get it right if they tone it down
I agree with all the points you made, but unless Marinette can grow out of her creepy stalker behavier it would just be weird. wow, this is the most likes I've ever had : ) Thanks!!
Remember the almost last scene of NY special. Alya: remember the surprise you planned for Adrien... your friend Marinnett : I don't know Alya ... Alya : We are returning to Paris tomorrow . You can ask yourself the question then. That means Marinnett hasn't decided yet !!! I wish she rethinks it before moving on 🤔🤔
Actually, I think they are both wierd cuz if you look at how many pictures of ladybug Adrien has on his phone .......wierd They ARE made for each other.
Not to say that Kagami isn’t a great character deserving of a significant other, but you’re right, she and Adrien are just a very bland couple who don’t really serve much of a story point besides Marinette’s growth away from Adrien being the central focus of her life. They’re probably going to remain a couple for at least half of season four, but will end once Marinette has shifted her focus and they therefore no longer serve a purpose
Personally l would choose Marinette but until she gets character development l am with kagami. Even though l don't ship her and adrien at all adrien needs to realize who he truly loves and wants to be with. And he also needs some character development that's why l think he should date kagami. To realize his true feelings for Marinette.
Adrien never loved kagami kagami thus he does because he gave kagami a rise which was meant for lady bug but ladybug didn't like him back But Marrinete likes Adrian as adrien and not cat noir but adrien like Marrinete as lady bug and not Marrinete
Somewhat gives me a feeling luka is perfect for marinette but mari for adrien... But we have seen in the season 3 and new york special that a change is occuring in both LadyNoir and MariCat ships..Like Adrien is frequently approaching for physical contacts, and he has started to see marinette more than just friends he even praises her frequently... Meanwhile Ladybug too has become friendlier with Cat Noir and has feelings for him emotionally... Based on New York movie
1st of all, those points were approving.......According to me, Marinette is the best choice for Adrien because they are very similar to each other (same behavior, attitude etc) but apart from that.....they clearly understand each other......and now that we know that Adrien has feelings for Marinette which are suppressed (for now atleast).....this gives us some hope that Adrien might reconsider his relationship with Marinette. These are just my thoughts
@@Rainjojo marinette isn't necessarily a stalker. She's obsessive. If she does date adrien tho. In pretty sure her obsessive behaviour could and will go away. Also they both understand each other. In pretty sure marinette would accept every part of adrien as shown in truth (and lies) where she likes chat noir's jokes and puns the most. Kahani and Adrien are better off as friends. They have a connection but their forcing it into a relationship. (like what Carly says in icarly). Kagami also doesn't accept every side of adrien. She accepts the perfect side not the imperfect. I feel like marinette will accept his imperfect side as perfect.
I think with Kagami and Luka, both of them were written to shine in the areas where the other doesn’t. For Luka, as much as I love him, he’s the most poorly developed character in the whole show. We barely even know who he is. I think this is because his development as a character was put on the chopping block so they could focus on his relationship with Marinette and how it grows. Kagami was the opposite. She’s a polarizing character, and has been from the start. When you look at most of the episodes centered on her, Adrien rarely appears in them. If he does, in something like Animaestro, they’re both just kind of in the background so we don’t get to see much of what, if anything, is developing between them. On the flip side, however, Kagami’s growth as a character is insane for what limited screen time she gets. Instead of exploring her connection with Adrien, the show always lets that take a backseat so that it can make room for Kagami as a character. I think the writers chose this dynamic between our two rival ships on purpose. It really covers all your bases. You’ve got one couple, Adrigami, that really feels like a rival ship. It’s meant to make the audience nervous, and question if Adrien will abandon any interest in Ladybug or developing interest in Marinette, but other than that it’s not really designed to make the viewer root for them. Then, your other couple, Lukanette, is meant to test one’s loyalty as a viewer. They’ve got chemistry unmatched by Adrigami, and since in this pairing of the love square Marinette is the one going unnoticed for some other girl, we want to see her get with a guy who’ll treat her right and make her happy. I agree with you though, I don’t think either ship is right for the endgame. Lukanette might be a tempting thought, but there’s a reason characters in the show keep making comments about Marinette and Adrien being made for each other.
Not trying to rain on the parades of anyone who ships Adrigami. I don’t think they have development or chemistry, but I still respect that there’s something there that leads people to ship. Shipping is subjective so I’m not trying to discourage enjoying the couple. Hell, I love Luka and I just listed all the reasons I shouldn’t 😂
@@lilymadkins3558 l agree with you l personally don't see lukanette having any chemistry either and l almost feel sorry for luka because despite his confession Marinette is still crazy about adrien and is leading luka on l mean it is very one sided. Luka going after Marinette is unhealthy if she is still going after adrien luka is just going to end up getting hurt.
@@frederickbeatson2238 But it's all Luka's fault! I mean he knows that Marinette will never love him as much as she loves Adrien so if I was his position, I would definitely stop loving her! And, she actually has every right to love Adrien, just because Luka loves her back she is not entitled to return his feelings! And I don't she leading Luka on, kisses on the cheek doesn't have any romantic meanings behind it!
Lukanette has no chemistry. Luka and Marinette make no sense whatsoever not even in real life. In real life, if someone writes a song about you and pretends to know what’s in your heart the very first two minutes he met you , that’s a red flag right there. In real life Luka would be that emo guitarist that enjoys picking up girls using superficial pick up lines and music as his ultimate tools.
I personally think Marinette is what Adrien needs. You see as he's Catnoir he often needs affection due to his lack during his childhood. Although Marinette needs improvement, if she fixes her jealousy and stalker-ish issues she and Adrien could really work out. As I love Kagami with all me heart, her and Adrien don't work well. Kagami is very headstrong and assertive, and Adrien really just wants someone to have fun with and to love. I feel like Kagami needs someone a little more assertive and less easy going than Adrien. While Adrien could do really well with Marinette, as they are both very affectionate people who could balance each other out nicely. Marinette could help fill the void that was left by his lack of father figure and Adrien could help her boost her confidence. I'm not even saying this because of the show's standing point at the moment, but they genuinely would work out really well together.
I think Kagami is better for Adrien, Because they get along well. Near the end of the story Marinette gives up on Adrien and goes for Luka. She's very fond to others, And know's it would be wrong to ruin Kagami and Adrien's friendship.
When Kagami gets akumatised the second time, she makes the mistake of claiming that she could only ever love Adrian. She convinced herself that the very first boy that noticed her was THE ONE and that's not a healthy mindset to have moving forward. How is she going to let go when he chooses someone else?
actually Chloe was his first ever friend and he did top being herefriend for treating people bad but then became here friend agin but he would never do that to marinette tho.
I think that based off of oblivio, they would work, because they genuinely liked each other’s personalities. when marinette wasn’t stumbling, adrien liked her, and she liked adrien.
I really didn't like Lukanette and Adrigami and couldn't take them seriously, mostly bc it was one sided but like Luka and Kagami dated two people whom they knew were in love with someone else (so what did they expect to happen?) and Marinette and Adrien had to save Paris, they couldn't stay on dates while Paris was terrorised. Marinette and Adrien never told these two they loved them, they just gone out on two dates. Fanon Lukanette and Adrigami were cute, but in canon they were weird, awkward, and obviously nothing was in there. Plus Luka and Kagami have no affect on plot what so ever (so far). Adrinette meanwhile, they had ups and downs but every time they were dating in other timelines they were perfect. Love Square has never left the chat and never will. Plus Adrinette has it's own theme music and umbrella scene, I think there is no point to argue which ship is superior.
Basically what these characters want from adrien: Lila- Wealth and power. Chloe- a genuine friend. Kagami- a forced relationship or forced love. Marinette- a sincere love.
Yeah. Seeing season 4 I felt really bad for marinette (and luka, adrien and kagami but mostly marinette honestly) how she just wanted someone to love her and help her. She just wanted sincere love and affection from a significant other but her duties as guardian and ladybug ruined it for her
Bruh I know kagami and lila are toxic but seriously marinette she's a literal stalker , look I don't hate mari but the way thomas has written her kinda gets my nerves. Kagami and marinette both can be a better partner but if they only bother to stop stalking,being pushy and obsessing over the poor boy
Both Lukanette and Adrigami have zero chemistry and since their personalities are two similar they would often clash! So for me, it is always Adrienette and both Adrien and Marinette doesn't love Luka and Kagami. They never did and never will, they have always been Marinette's and Adrien's plan B from the beginning so doesn't Luka/Kagami deserve better? While I agree Marinette doesn't always express her love for Adrien in the most healthy way but that doesn't mean that her feelings for him aren't genuine, deep down she truly loves him and since we know that they are the endgame, they both will probably receive heavy character development that will convince the viewers to ship them even harder, therefore by making their obsession a bit more healthy!!
@@yajairapena10 Don't worry, they are the two main characters whose names are literally in the tile and comparing to other characters who are most likely to recieve any character development at all, Adrien and Marinette's would look heavy( at least in comparison!)
I could definitely see Marinette and Adrien / Cat Noir and Ladybug being together as they both have such amazing chemistry, but on the other hand Kugami and Adrien don't really seem like they would be a happy together. I think they would suit each other as "just friends"
I feel like Kagami, Lila, or Chloe would be better as the main character so hear me out first before you say something on why you don’t think so. So why would Kagami, Lila, or Chloe be a better choice then Marinette? Well here’s why I think so. The whole show is based off of the Agreste and Graham De Vanily family background. Gabriel is ShadowMoth, Emily is in a coma, the Graham De Vanily twin rings, Felix, etc. The whole family is the plot of the show. First I will tell you my reasons for Kagami. Tomoe Tursugi is the mother of Kagami and a very close friend of Gabriel Agreste. The friendship of Tomoe and Gabriel has always bothered me. It just doesn’t make sense. He’s Paris most famous fashion designer and she’s well a blind feisty women. So I thought more into this friendship and realized that Gabriel always makes friends with people who can help him with his plans as Hawkmoth. So I’m thinking that Kagamis family has something to do with the backstory of Adriens family. They also have a lot of stuff in common. They both were isolated in their rooms growing up, they do fencing, they both know multiple languages, and they are expected so much from their parents. Next up is Lila. Lila is a pretty questionable character. We all know that Lila has been helping Gabriel as him self and ShadowMoth with their evil schemes. What’s she doing it for? Adrien. What does this have to do with her being meant for Adrien? Simple. Lila has been apart of the background of his family and has been lying just for him. It would be cool to see character development just for her love for Adrien. She also stalks him and lies just for him. Reminds me of somebody. Oh yeah! Marinette. So if it’s ok for Marinette to do it I don’t see why Lila can’t. Lastly Chloe. As we all know Gabriel would not be a well known name if it wasn’t for Audrey. The reason why Gabriel is famous and has his job is because of her. Audrey is very important character for the story and doesn’t get enough credit. I’m hoping that in the Gabriel Agreste episode we learn a bit more about her. I have a feeling there’s more to her then we think. But,back to my explanation. Chloe and Adrien basically grew up together. Chloe is Adriens first friend too. There would be great character development for both characters just to get them together. And to why I don’t think Marinette is a good match for Adrien cuase why not. I feel like Marinette is a Y/n in a Harry Styles high school fan fiction. She has a huge stutter count too. Kinda like every single Y/n. Also she some what reminds me of a Mary Sue. She never really makes mistakes and when she does she doesn’t learn a lesson from them. She’s a perfect character who always does everything right and is perfect in everybody’s eyes. It really annoys me that she can’t talk right around Adrien and always falls. The second hand embarrassment is being given to me way to often too. Also her character is to hard for character development. Her family has no connection to the Agreste or Graham De Vanily family’s either. She also has nothing that her and Adrien can share. The only reason they are friends is because of Alya and Nino dating. If it weren’t for them they’d probably never have spoken.
I really think that Chloe isn’t in love with Adrien but she just sees him as a friend. Maybe she wants to be close with him and stuff because he’s one of his only friends
Adrien has about as much chemistry with Kagami as I do, which is to say NONE. As was said near the end of the video, THE ENTIRE STORY has been building towards Marinette and Adrien. Having Marinette or Adrien end up with someone else wouldn’t just be a massive mistake from a story perspective, it would be a betrayal of the fans. Just because you know where a story is going doesn’t mean the story is bad as a result. It’s why suspense is far better than simple shock value. As Alfred Hitchcock said: “If you have a room full of people and it blows up, your audience will have about 10 seconds of shock. If you tell your audience that a bomb will blow up in 10 minutes, you now have 10 minutes of suspense.”
If we reached a point where we are choosing the 'best option' of partner to Adrien, then we completely forgot the signs and the obvious. Both girls are similar to be honest, personality wise. Kagami may be blunt, seem cold, and too defensive, yet let's not forget the last trait is also Marinette's as well. Kagami is kind on the inside and it can be shown if well interacted with her (both Adrien and Marinette can testify). She is confident, beautiful, and knows what she wants in life which, whether haters like it or not, is actually attractive and appealing in terms of energy and optimism. She's also a good supporter with her wise words. Marinette has the same exact traits for she has beauty in and out, clumsy (from believing so actually - the proof she isn't is Ladybug), seems more social but in fact Kagami is too if it wasn't for her mother, a hard to stop energy, and a big heart, except that she believes the positive ones belong to Ladybug as if that part of her wasn't her. As long as Marinette doesn't believe in herself and mainly love both sides of herself (with or without insecurities and mask on or off), she will keep failing in being an equal match to Kagami while she can be otherwise. One difference would be Kagami giving Adrien a choice as another human while Marinette uses overpower to become Adrien's fate without giving our boy some space and choice to reject and accept as if he was already hers (Season 4 pushing Marinette to focus on herself first before love and boys will make a huge impact on the show and the Relationship Meter, I'm sure). However, by the end of the day, Adrien remains a human with a mind and heart which makes him qualified to choose on his own despite his... Innocence and poor social abilities. I'm certain that both girls will want him happy in the end for they love him which means they will respect his choice and most likely stay friends with the other girl for friendship doesn't end from competition over a lover, correct? We should do the same. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree also the point about marinette acting like he's already hers is also shown with kagami. She gets mad that another girl kissed him on the cheek and just that got her akumatised (marinette does too)
I think Mari (because most of the characters say the belong to each other not to mention the moon dance in the New York special Mari actually sees Luka as a friend so dose adrien but adrien started to have a little feelings)
I think in season 4 we might see ladybug falling in love with chat and drifting away from adrien and adrien falling in love with Marinette and drifting away from ladybug which might also lead us to having more moments of marichat!
There were a couple of scenes that I did really like with Kagami and Adrien that I thought pointed to a healthier relationship, though I still think all your points stand. But a couple of times I really saw Adrien joking around and playing (more of his cat noir personality) around Kagami. I think they were sword fighting playfully with kitchen utensils in one scene and then there was another where they were laughing and joking about ditching a responsibility or something and I thought it was adorable and I was so happy to see Adrien actually able to relax as himself because even around Marinette he feels a little stiff to me when you consider how playful he is as Cat Noir. I just really need Marienette to love him even for his silly side. The last time he tried to play around with her she did the whole creepy kissing what she thought was wax Adrien. I need that to rectified and both of them to be able to play and laugh with each other.
wow i acrually love this because most of the fandom that ships adrigami is because is healthier I actually not into adrigami but those scenes were very cute tbh, they had pretty good chemistry but not as much adrinette or lukanette, actually kagami and adrien being friends makes more sense to me and tbh adrigami thing feels forced and pretty bland...BUT i have to admit some adrigami scenes were very cute
After watching Ikari Gozen, I fricking love kagami. Although I love Adrienette, kagami would be so perfect with him. Or so I thought. Kagami and Adrien just have no chemistry as said in the video. Now kagami and luka. They're they definition of perfect couple (on paper of course. Adrienette is the more popular perfect couple.) Think about it! My life would be complete knowing luka and kagami aren't going to be left alone and heartbroken. Since luka is such a perfect choice and everyone wants him with Mari. And everyone loves kagami and wants her for Adrien. Finally I don't have to be torn that I like Mari with Adrien!
My opinions on them: Marinette - She is like a stalker to me but kinda perfect for Adrien. Kagami - She seems pretty nice, passive, and kinda a bit suits for Adrien a bit but Adrien does not like her. I hope the fandom treated her like a kinda person. Lie-la - NOT SUITABLE FOR ADRIEN she is just a liar. Hope the fandom treated her that Lie-la would be the kind person and the rest it will be mean Chloe - Not so sure, they are just friends. Hope the fandom doesn’t hurt her that way. Adrien himself - Ah yes, *A d r i e n.* Y’all don’t take it seriously
She does suit adrien but the only reason she actually lives him is the fact that he's a good fencer and have her a rose. She started growing feelings for him but with the perfect side. I myself dunt ship adrien and kagami along with marinette and luka but respect others
Wait so like, they are the main characters and main characters always goes together, but in the other hand they’ll be some twist of adrien liking both girls. But I’m pretty sure not 100% though they’ll get together. It just takes time, but when they’re adults I know they’ll move on from their parents and maybe they’ll finally reveal their secret identity. And become more powerful to deafest hawk moth. But there’s always a twist it’s not simple and goes happy ending. I think kagami wants to push adrien closer to him more. While marinette knows how to control it, he knows how much she loves Adrien and she knows that’s it’s his choice and not hers. While kagami forcing him to love her. I know Adrien might be that guy, that every girl falls in love with, also his such a nice guy he helps lots of his friends. So I really think he like kagami, also marinette. Since the New York special event. Maybe Adrien will end up with kagami, and so on they’ll be together for not too long. And might think about marinette more. And that;s where the point he finally realised that marinette is more than just a friend to him. She done more than kagami, just notice how marinette would do anything for him. She can be so jealousy, but she would never make decision for anyone else. Besides she’s the nicest she done many things to Adrien. Help him with his fashion design. Although she gets so crazy around him, but soon after that when she finally has a chance to have Adrien heart. Marinette will soon confess her feelings, not as teenagers since his father makes a plan for them to break apart from each other, and how marinette cried and almost got akumatised by hawk moth, but I’m sure when they’re older they’ll finally be together. When kagami tried kissing adrien, Adrien pushed her as in his been thinking about someone like ladybug, but then in New York special he finally realised he likes marinette but won’t admit it. And that he wasn’t ready yet. Do you know what kagami only have done for Adrien, not much but she only does is fencing with him. But he sees marinette more like when they go fight super-villains. Secretly, they see eachother more, while kagami and Adrien only does fencing together. But in the last season 3part 2 of the episode. You see them, kagami and Adrien together having ice-cream together, and Luca and marinette I don’t think Luca would have marinette because he knows he truely love Adrien more, and his a special great character he knows how special he is for marinette. Remeber the time when it started raining, while marinette try’s to go home but it started to rain and Adrien gave his umbrella. After that master fu said, “those two are made for eachother”. So as the New York special of the girl saying, “a those two are meant to be together”. I’m sure they’ll be together but in a twist it’s never too simple. If you made this so far thank you for reading it while I was explaining, also I’m a huge fan of this seasons episode. 😊
Mari of course. They have gone through a lot together as their hero selves and civilian selves (Adrian and Mari). Also Adrian can't stand Mari been hurt . When Lila hurt Mari Adrian put Lila in her place . That proved Mari matter so much to Adrian .. Also when Mari was almost akumatised in chat blanc Adrian saved her . Another thing Adrian 's first thought is to protect Mari and to ask about her whereabouts. Plus Thomas emphasizes the fact that Adrian and Mari are meant to be like all the time . In the train episode Adrian put his head on her shoulders. Mari is my fav character. She is often misunderstood. Saying she is hella creepy but Adrian doesn't think so .. Adrian said that he doesn't at all mind a lot of pictures of him even in unlikely places . To me Adrian is saying that he doesn't at all mind that Mari has pictures of him and he even said that he was glad to have her as a fan . It's clear Adrian doesn't at all mind Mari 's behaviour and he loves her and always there for her ... Also Mari gave up Adrian in season 3 finale . SHE feels that Adrian likes Kagami so it's best if she keeps her distance . Mari so strong and funny . Her awkward and creepy behaviour makes me laugh .... In puppeteer 2 when Adrian was not a statue and she almost kissed him l laughed my head off . Mari is my fav character. If it wasnt for her and Adrian l would never watch the show. Mari is the most strongest character l have even seen ... She hides her feelings whilst Adrian let's his feelings get in the way .. Also Mari so clumsy and l am also clumsy .Mari is artistic and l am also artistic . I would never hate Mari cause she is super funny , super caring , loving and sweet. When Adrian asked her for love advice she put her feelings aside and helped him with Kagami . That's so sweet if you ask me. If l were her l would never do that. Mari is just a sweety just like Adrian. Those two are made for each other and they love and trust each other . Even people who love each other fight and disagree but at the end they are back together. Mari is sassy.. I just like her.. In new york she admitted she was harsh with chat and regretted what she did ... Mari has emotions ..... Plus it's her first time liking a guy especially one who is famous ... Mari is more and more smart everyday . Even though she is clearly better than chat she said it herself that she can't imagine being ladybug without chat noir.. That means chat noir is important to her ..Clearly even though she doesn't know it she confessed she loves him more than a friend by saying these words....
I agree marinette and Adrien are amazing characters and make a great dynamic. They've got a very complicated relationship. They're very similar but so different
Yes.Kagami even said herself “the only thing that’s stoping you is your hesitation” the queen said that “girl your not getting him because I am better your getting him because you hesitate to open up”
How I see it: They’re all too young and not mature enough for a relationship, maybe except Luka lol. Otherwise: Adrien is right for Kagami because Kagami needs someone who balances her personality yet is understanding of her and doesn’t get in her way of life. Unfortunately Kagami loves him because “he is the only person perfect for her”, which is so wrong. She’s too immature and expectant of him, and cuts him down quite quickly. He is often down at her side remarks. And while I don’t blame her, Adrien is neglected enough. He needs someone who can care for him and share an emotional connection with. Marinette needs someone like Luka, but they aren’t end game which is a shame. Luka is kind and supportive in a way that doesn’t make Marinette need to depend on him because of how insecure she is, but feel more confident in her decisions and as a person; Luka helps bring out a good side in Marinette that is more confident and self-assured. I think Luka deserves someone who can love him wholeheartedly though, he is the best character in the show alskjalj. So. I don’t know how I feel about this couple. Adrien and Marinette... Marinette would be getting who she wanted, but would Adrien be getting who he wanted? Marinette is emotional and passionate and cares a lot for Adrien, which is the kind of person Adrien needs in his life, but it can be obsessive and often leaves Marinette feeling even more insecure. Not to mention she needs him. She shouldn’t need to be with him, she should want to be with him. It’s a bit too overbearing and would result in a very overbearing and jealous paranoid relationship for him and be tiring for Adrien. I don’t know; some changes need to be made, obviously, before any of them get into relationships. Waiting to see what Zag does
I do agree but luka and marinette make a sort of in healthy couple. Marinette loves luka as in truly lives him but at the same she also likes adrien and we can't really blame her for it. She doesn't control who her heart (actually brain since it's in charge of emotions) loves. Mean while I feel like marinette and Adrien would trust each other alot. I mean V after years of trussing each other about their secret identities and waiting for the right time they have a connection. And I sort of want adrienette to have troubles in their relationship so we can see how they get thru it together and grow a stronger bond. After all every couple fights
Kagami and adrien is like same poles of magnet which are in same category and knows each other but always keep repelling. That's why Adrien and marinette is a perfect couple .😚✌
Honestly in my opinion, until Marinette can grow up, neither her or Kagami should have Adrien. They kind of have the same mindset: "Adrien is perfect." Adrien is just a sweet guy comes from a controlling household and Chat Noir is the person he truly wants to be. Marinette at this point is kind of obsessed with him hence Chat Blanc and Kagami, sure she has can connect to Adrien with her own family, but she she still see him as "perfect". Adrien deserves a nice girl that can be his best friend who can talk to. That's all.
I agree. I don't really recall Marinette and Adrien ever exchanging a cross word with each other in argument past the origin episode. Even then, that was simply due to a misunderstanding. She doesn't see any other side to him other than his kindness and talents. Marinette sees Adrien's tragedy but she doesn't see his flaws as Adrien. Only as they transfer in Cat Noir and she points them out there. However, Adrien rarely puts a foot out of place. So it's not obvious to his mates his too conplacent nature. And how protective he can be over his friends. What needs to happen for Marinette to stop seeing him as a perfect crush, is to see him as a REAL person with positive attributes and flaws that he commits like everyone else. She can still love him, but it wouldnt be true love unless she knew both his good AND bad side.
Yeah, I think she needs to learn to talk to him better, to get him to open up around her. Adrien was trained to always try to be perfect, to not step out of line. We see his true self with Chat Noir. I hope he shows this side of him; his relaxed,witty, and go with the flow side more to her. He seemed to start to in puppeteer 2, but Marinette pulled away after him telling her he's in love with someone.
@@coping.nonessentials they have a lot of chemistry and have a strong bond. They have similar interests but are polar opposites. They fill the holes the other one has and understand each other like no one else The love each others imperfect sides (as in adrien loving marinette's any behaviour and ladybug loving chat noir's puns and jokes) and they focus on and admire each others qualities like adrien loves how marinette takes charge in situations and is calm, smart, funny, etc while ladybug loves chat noir's ability to comfort others and how he says just the right thing to boost up her hope. She also loves his puns. They protect each other with their life. They see each other as imperfectly perfect. If this doesn't convince you then I don't know what will. Also please respect people who ship adrienette instead of asking and saying their not compatible
@@samanrais4006 first of all, if you’ve ever seen the fandom, you’d know that there are four ways to ship them (lmao). I’m just saying adrianett ain’t it. First of all, marinette has stalker behavior around adrien. Like in the episode “trouble maker” the numerous amounts of pictures under her bed and dressers, or when in “cat blanc” she smells adrians pillow and lays in his bed. She’s so obsessed that she won’t acknowledged accept any flaws. She’s over possessive, like she’ll follow anyone who she thinks likes adrien. While Adrien does appreciate her leadership, kindness, etc, he doesn’t realize that she’s obsessed with him. Like even if they dated do you know how toxic of a relationship it would be? If the creators of miraculous actually learned how to write a teenage girl then it would be fine. Also ladynoir is the best ship honestly because there is a mutual respect in some degree.
@@coping.nonessentials i never said it was considered a flaw but it was something ladybug didn't like about chat noir but grew to like it. Also I have seen the fandom and I know the love square. But all of them are just 2 people in costumes or without costumes. Marinette having pictures of adrien on her walls or under her bed is basically every adrien obsessed fan like that guy in party crasher. My closing has over 1000 pictures or raya and namaari. Having them in your walls is basically the same thing as having them on your laptop or phone. Adrien knows about the pictures but he isn't bothered. Why? Because he thinks it's about fashion is the thing stated in the show but it's also common for celebs to not be suprised over a thousand pictures because they have obsessed fans everywhere. How would adrienette be toxic btw? If i se them get together they would help and comfort each other for example marinette has helped adrien constantly with his father and Adrien might be able to help marinette become more calm and collected. Marinette being jealous of they do get together would probably only be jealous of a person who flirt with adrien or like him. That's common I mean they're found to be dating and he is famous so of course she doesn't want anyone flirting with adrien. And this basically the inconsistent writing or the writers. They don't know how to write a teenage crush. We've also seen the timeline in which they are together. They seem to be perfectly fine. After they start dating marinette will also probably stop mumbling and stumbling.
Lila : Nope! Adrien doesn’t like her at all Chloe: Adrien and her have known each other for along time, so I think they’ll just remain “friends.” Kagami: I think Adrien likes her because she is wise and confident. But she is a little boring for him tbh. Marinette: I think she is fun and exciting, which Adrien likes. But Marinette is never clear about her feeling so that’s why they’re just friends
I've been reading a lot of webtoons and usually characters similar to Kagami ended up being loved, while characters like Marinette ended up being hated. Also characters similar to Kagami usually ended up being reincarnated and ended up being the lead character.
I think Adrien just needs to move and find a new person to like. Marinette is a stalker who can't even talk to him, and Ladybug is often abusive in the way that she doesn't treat him with a whole lot of dignity. Long story short, Adrien doesn't have any good options and should really just look elsewhere. The only way their relationship makes sense is from a narrative perspective.
I agree with every point you made in this video. Kagami and Adrian have ZERO chemistry and it will never work out. Luka and Marinette have chemistry and such but Luka deserves better and Marinette and Adrien just work. If they get character development (with the creepy shit-- which I also think is exaggeration that they need to stop-- and the whole Adrien- Ladybug and Marinette- Adrien) and the directors speed it up more, they could have a real healthy relationship that I would be happy about. I also think they should touch more on certain topics such as: Felix, Adrien dealing with grief, real heartbreak etc. Also, I would love for Chloe to get some character development because in my head, she could be really great and her and Luka could have chemistry.
I think that since the very beginning, it showed that Adrienette would be a major ship. I personally ship them, but I ship their alter egos more than I ship them. Ladybug’s character and Cat Noir’s character fit so well together. Sometimes Adrien and Marinette can get really awkward, but Ladybug and Cat Noir don’t. They trust each other and depend on each other. The chemistry between them as themselves and as heroes has been lifted from the beginning, and it seems weird for Luka and Kagami to come in and swoop them off their feet. Let’s face it-it’s a little difficult to imagine Adrien and Kagami as a couple. I see them as great friends for sure, but nothing more. It takes more than having things in common to have chemistry. Even in the NY Special, he seemed more excited with the fact of going with New York than being with Kagami. Luka and Marinette. I see why people ship them. Luka is so kind and is someone Marinette can really rely on. For characters, I do kind of ship them, but as far as story wise, I think Luka needed a bit more character development to be with Marinette, since she is such a main character. Anyways, if anyone actually took the time to read that, thank you. It’s my opinion, so don’t change what you think of the whole ship dynamic between all of them because of this.
I agree with this completely. Adrien and kagami are better off as friends while luka and marinette seem like a very bland ship. Adrienette will have problems like adrien's father not accepting marinette or might have trust issues with the whole identity revealed to alya first or chat noir not listening to ladybug in New York special but I would love to see how they get through that and grow a stronger bond. They will burn ho through character development
adrien doesn’t look as happy with kagami as he is with marinette. personally i think marinette should not be in a relationship for at least 1 season bc her entire personality is liking her crush. adrien seems so much more happy with marinette even in friendly situations. judging by how the new york special went i think marinette’s creepy side will calm down a bit. however i could be wrong bc Astruck hates changing his characters
I honestly really like the idea of marinette with Luca and adrien with kagami Like you said, marinette and Luca have a good relationship and they compliment eachother well, Luca actually noticed her for being her and she seems really comfortable around him, and he’s always there to make her feel better. They have a mutual understanding. Adrien and kagami, they’re really close and definitely comfortable with eachother, and the way adrien acts towards her sometimes id a bit more open than he does with his everyday friends, which I think shows that he has some affection towards her, but honestly I’d say they’re better off as close friends 😅 _adrien can just be lover-less.. 👀_
I feel like it would be cool if eventually in season 4 if Adrian and Marinette get together Kagami gets really sad and angry (possibly akumatized) and maybe if she uses the dragon miraculous again she talks to ladybug about it, and maybe develops a crush on ladybug or Marinette?
Adrien knows lila’s a liar. Chloe is slowly finding herself but is still a bit pushy around adrien and friends. Kagami very bland, has less emotion and adrien is very awkward around her. Marinette is slowly becoming different in adriens eyes and there pretty close as friends and have been so meant for eachother, they are just perfect.
Adrian and kagami should be together marinette is really obsessive and Adrian doesn’t have love interests.And kagami likes Adrian so dose Adrian sometimes but sadly the creater just wants to do this AND marinette she is a jerk she abuses her powers legit makes Lila look bad,yes I know it’s good to call out people lying but marinette abused her powers just to expose Lila what a terrible protagonist!
True, I mean I just felt the ending 3d season felt it was forcing Kagami on him. I mean getting angry with him because he's not ready to be with her was a MAJOR throw off for me like WTF?! In my eyes it was more him going along with this as seeing and taking the opportunity to get over LB. Another one was in NY special sorry but what kind of girlfriend doesn't even try to cheer up her guy seeing him so much down but kicks him in the guts saying how bad he was during training??? I might not be good in relationships but if my guy was so much down I'd try to help him out! Now probably her fans will Attack me saying I was opposed this ship because it's in the way of Adrinette, I admit I'm shipper of this couple BUT that doesn't mean I don't see faults of this ship. Believe me, I do like I REALLY want to forget the episode with Desperata, Party pooper or Pupetter 2 because it was painful to watch. But I believe it was made because of humor which I can't see why but still... in more serious moments like Marinette seeing him down because of NY and deciding to help him in thoughts in her mind to do this strictly AS FRIEND and nothing more or helping him watch the movie with his mum in it, this wasn't doing just to be close to him BUT because it was important TO HIM, backing off in last episodes of 3rd season putting his happiness before hers is something what you do when you really love someone. Love is sometimes about letting go, which we saw in NY she was trying to do. And as shown in Amnesio he's attracted to her when she's herself by him and this shows a lot.
In cat Blanc Adrien goes up to marinette and says "Ive realized that your not just a friend to me, Ive always felt like you were more than that" Which probably means that even before he knew she was ladybug he still had feelings for Marinette!!
I think it’s Marinette is more better for adrien. If you noticed, adrien keeps saying Marinette is just a friend. But it’s kinda beyond that, plus, he himself asked Marinette to dance with him in the despair bear episode, and feels more comfortable towards her as he is scared to go alone in the ice skating rink with Kagami.
I honestly think I'd go for adrienette because marimette is the only one who truly loves Adrien and would do anything for him. Like the scarf she got him for his birthday and besides they're made for each other as everyone says😍😍
I always felt like Marinette was better because Adrien has been through so much, and needs someone like Marinette, to be there for him. I feel like Mari can show Adrien the love that he has missed from his father, and Kagami kinda fails to show him, affectionate love. Adrien can experience friendly in-laws (another thing Kagami cannot offer).
Master fu and wayzz - They’re made for each other Plagg - Anyone who writes as sickeningly sweet as you must be your soulmate Forgot the name of the robot from NYS- these two are totally made for each other
I feel like theoretically Adrien and Kagami work out. As pointed out in the video they have many things in common BUT I still think Marinette is better for Adrien because he needs to break out of that isolated rich kid world and Kagami wouldn’t be possible to do that since she herself is part of that world. And I think he (and Kagami as well btw) has to get out of that world because it’s just borderline abuse and he would not be able to live a happy life if he continued like that (I’m not done watching the video yet if this gets mentioned at some point then I’m sorry)
In my opinion Kagami is much better for Adrien because Marinnete STALKS him, and Adrien is more interested in how brave people are, like Kagami and Ladybug. Overall Marinnete is not a very well written character. Thank you for listening
I think if they could expose their identities they could help each other grow so much. Marinette could be her confident self and learn to express herself freely and Adrien can learn to feel love that is genuine and learn to be a good friend and partner (romantically and super hero wise)
I think Marinette and Adrien just need more moments as friends. Like for them to actually see new sides of each other will get them closer. For example let Marinette be more confident around him and let Adrien make jokes and have her laugh at them and maybe have them lowkey flirt? I stan a more confident Marinette just so they can switch roles.
Lila and Chloe obviously don't have a chance with Adrien, but I can't agree with you about Kagami. Like you said, Marinette and Luka's personalities match way better, but Adrien and Kagami have a lot in common too. Surely Marinette would do anything for Adrien but she's blinded by her love. Kagami isn't like that and she understands him way better. At this point in the story, I'm not sure Marinette and Adrien could have a healthy relationship. I think the reveal has to happen first so that she accepts Adrien's flaws.
I read a thing saying that they will eventually be canon which I'm hoping is true I think marinette and adrien are cute together. It reminds me how I was with my first crush I was the same way
well as story point of view marinett is the one. as we saw the cast even made some hidden hints too.like the fact that their normal clothes have the opposite colour in negative colour filter. and well they really can complete each other. as they do as super heroes. they both are dying to tell each other how much they want to be together as chatnoir he is killing himself to win ladybug heart and as marinett she is dying to tell Adrien how she feels. and the only reason she can't is her deep love for him. well marinett attracted to luka but I don't think she loves him. somehow he is the first one who flirted with her and considered her more than just friends. and you know it's somehow suspicious. and actually I seriously don't know what lukas role is in his sudden and fast relationship with marinett. and about kagami. she looks strange and I think it's soon than we would judge that she is good or evil? specially after NY special and the autopilot car hawkmoth used with tsurog-1 plate number. what if gabriel didn't yet believe that Adrien is not chatnoir? and hawkmoth and her mother tried to bring them together and even asked her to make a relationship with Adrien to infiltrate his secrets. and maybe she even tried to get close to ladybug and achieve her trust to double cross her and take the dragon miraculous. as we saw she somehow was familiar with the miraculous and its functions
Marinette is meant to be with Adrien because they both have the same personality in the sense that they are both sweet, caring, love helping others, hate lies and in general are perfect for eachother
Okay is it just me who thinks Kagami and Adrienne wouldn’t work. I personally like Marinette and Adrienne would be better, their chemistry between when they are ladybug and cat noir. Both of them are cute together
I’m Marinette x Adrien all the way. Kagami is always really reserved/tough and she doesn’t necessarily fit in with Adrien’s kind personality (especially considering Adrien’s true self as Cat Noir). My only problem with Marinette is that the writers make her kind of creepy toward Adrien at times. Like instead of a cute high school crush where she’s so shy and clumsy around him, she’s kind of got an obsession going on. It’s not really cute, I would say. I’m hoping that the creators fix a variety of other aspects in the coming seasons too.
I think the love square slowly starts to flip during the NYC special. We know adrien (cat noir) falls in love with ladybug because of how confident she is (we could see that in stoneheart, the origins when she stood up to hawkmoth). And when Adrien said he most likely couldn’t go to New York with everyone else, marinette was the first and ONLY person who stood up and said she’d go talk to adrien’s father to convince him to let Adrien go, which was very confident of her, knowing that Gabriel doesn’t let Adrien go out anywhere. I think because of that Adrien slowly starts to fall in love with marinette. While in the beginning of the nyc special, ladybug actually accepts cat noir’s rose, she gives him a smile and accepts it. Yes, the rose meant friendship but still... I think the nyc special was when the love square slowly started to flip
Honestly at this point I think the best pairing for Adrien would be Luka. The boy’s been raised to have basically no agency at all in his life, and having a quietly supportive partner would do wonders for his self esteem and personal growth, in a healthy way. Luka doesn’t appear to need flash, but having a solid, grounded partner would work out well for him too, and I think they’d shine as a couple. Marinette would do best with Kagami, honestly. She’d quickly put a stop to Marinette’s derp-spirals, while Marinette would bring the kind of creative excitement that Kagami clearly likes but isn’t fundamentally capable of.
In my opinion I don't think Chloe is in love with Adrien. I honestly think she just is really comfortable around him because they have been friends since childhood, also she used to have Adrien to herself because Gabriel wouldn't let Adrien outside the house. But now ever since he's been out she has to get used to him with other people. I just think she gets really jealous but she isn't in love with him.
@@JackBane890 not with Max.
She is just pushy and annoying by nature . In despair bear she wanted Adrien to be her best friend , nothing more .
That’s a really good point
@@stargazer6672 exactly
@@JackBane890 nah she is just pushy and rude
“It’s like a high school relationship”
Me: “they are in high school”
Really? I thought they were in middle school though
@@verssy4777 bruh-
@@verssy4777 Guess it depends what school system you attribute them to.
@@jinsoulfromloonaaaaa They may be from North America, people have different school systems.
@@verssy4777 BRUH THATS SOOO YOUNG LOL
Is anyone noticing the relationship between Marinette/Adrien and Ladybug/Chat Noir starting to flip?
At the beginning Adrien was not interested in her to begin with and saw her as just a friend but Marinette was totally in love with her, but by the NY special, clearly Adrien sees Marinette as something more while Marinette is trying to force herself to see Adrien as just a friend.
The same could be said for Ladybug/ Chat Noir. At the beginning Chat Noir was very pushy and forward with Ladybug while she kept giving him the cold shoulder, eventually Chat Noir has started to realise it's pointless to chase her and as seen in the NY special, gave her a friendship rose. On the other hand, Ladybug has started to drift closer to Chat Noir as she realises how much she needs him to fight Hawk Moth and starts to genuinely appreciate his actions, holding hands and kissing cheeks several times during S3.
I'm not exactly sure for the future but it sounds like there might be an interesting turn of events in S4/S5
yes, it's really intresting/funny. Imagine if Marinette said that Adrien was "just a friend" we would all kill her but it would be fun to see Adrien's reaction.
@@cozholly193 well, she told Adrien is just a friend at least half a dozen times in the NY special!!
I completely agree! they are slowly falling for each other without even releasing it.
‘The Things’ Literally predicted that MONTHS AGO! 😂
Agreed, but imagine the fandom if that happens 😂
Adrien's fallen in love with ladybug😊
Marinette's fallen in love with adrien🤣
Adrien very clearly has repressed feelings for Marienette😅
Marinette said she would consider chat noir if adrien didn't exist😑😐
how did i get so many likes??
No it’s clear she likes him look in the ny special she cried when he left, and also cried when he came back. There’s no way she doesn’t like him
@@tamaramustapha3569 she didn't cry when he came back but run happily hugging him, she was overjoyed he was back but I get your point
@@fynchan11 no you can see after they broke the hug she wipes her tears but they weren’t visible
@@tamaramustapha3569 I mean that shows she cares about chat and that he is important to her...that doesn't exactly equal being into chat noir romantically though.
As said in the New York Special and Origin Story, “They’re made for eachother”🥰
True
I just wish this whole secret identity thing can’t blow over someday but not like that I did in Cat blanc That was just a possibility in a bad way I hope in season 4 and 5 Their identities will be revealed in a good way And also yeah I am Not sure if there’s a season five who knows.
Who else FR almost choked while he was saying ‘’ Marinette marrying master Fu’’ like I fell out of my chair and needed to call the fire department.
They are T^T
They really are!
It’s just so painful to see Marinette/Ladybug constantly denying her love towards chat noir
And Adrien/Chat Noir constantly denying his love towards Mari
@@Emiliodelgado25 then again the miraculous lady bug did fix everything and the only problem was that they needed to forget everything that happened in the future
You forgot that adrien and marinette have very similar future versions (getting married, children, a hamster)
Yeah
XD
true so true
We never did found out the name of that hamster 😂
I mean what is with Adrien and getting hamsters tho 🤣
"...is about as likely as Marinette marrying Master Fu". I almost choked X'D
Now now they might make a cute couple "insert mark hamill joker laugh"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 saaaaame!!!
my sister panicked when she heard that
For real
I almost died from chocking and shock after hearing that
The "Kagami, she just ain't it" got me 😭
Edit: I love kagami okay stop bashing me Abt it and Chloe is a good character ok literally shut up
Yeah!! But tbh he's right within this whole 2 seasons kagami didn’t had any development. It kinda make her a robot 😅 lol. But i have an unpopular opinion, if Chloe 's character developed, she could have been a great character, im not necessarily saying that she is best suited for Adrien tho
@@anurupa2915 Yeah I really agree with that, Chole needs a lil bit of character development and she would actually be a good character
@@marlied4567 how am I espousing you
@@michalelkin-bronner13 it was a joke :)
(Ya ik I'm not funny)
@@anurupa2915 Yeah I mean I understand where chloe is coming from and she could be really sweet I just think she’s acting like this to impress her mom since she’s never been involved in her life
I am sure they confirmed that during season 4 Marinette will gain confidence now that she is the new guardian also since she’s trying to see Adrien as a friend I think her stalkerish behaviour will stop and we saw in the ny special that she recognises it and is trying to stop it
Mhm thats the kinda marinette we see
Yeah, the NY special had a lot of good steps forward. It had both Car Noir and Marinette recognizing the other not as a romantic interest but as a god friend, which is exactly what needs to happen for Ladybug and Adrien to start returning their feelings. And it also had Ladybug valuing Cat Noir, which . . . it's about time.
@@storystimmler yeah I don't really like miroclours but I don't like how rude she is to him. She acts like she's somehow better. Just my opinion though
@@emmacroker5603 if it makes it better. In an episode of season 4 she said CHAT NOIR AND LADYBUG. Not ladybug and chat noir. Because if I remember correct an episode in the earlier seasons she pointed out cat and bug to bug and cat but now she's not. She said it herself.
@@emmacroker5603 if you don't understand why in saying this its because people usually put the name of the more important person first in the name of a team
summed up my thoughts on Kagami and Mari perfectly
I'm not a Kagami hater but her forwardness with Adrien is one sided and at times too aggressive which makes me dislike her
and Mari is also cringe but like I've said before, I think her creepiness with Adrien is just the writers not knowing how to write a teenage girl crush and exaggerating way too much, they could get it right if they tone it down
I think they exaggerated her creepiness for the sake of humor. But yeah, they could tone it down a bit.
Just so you know Kagami means mirror in Japanese
In Season four we get a less obsessed mari no more photos :D
@@marcanneon7411 its true, in the trailer her room has no longer any photos of Adrien
Like ik she's creepy but when she was giving a present to Adrien and sniffed his pillow that was it for me she crossed the line
I agree with all the points you made, but unless Marinette can grow out of her creepy stalker behavier it would just be weird.
wow, this is the most likes I've ever had : ) Thanks!!
Right. 100%
I agree
Remember the almost last scene of NY special. Alya: remember the surprise you planned for Adrien... your friend
Marinnett : I don't know Alya ...
Alya : We are returning to Paris tomorrow . You can ask yourself the question then.
That means Marinnett hasn't decided yet !!! I wish she rethinks it before moving on 🤔🤔
right
Actually, I think they are both wierd cuz if you look at how many pictures of ladybug Adrien has on his phone .......wierd
They ARE made for each other.
Not to say that Kagami isn’t a great character deserving of a significant other, but you’re right, she and Adrien are just a very bland couple who don’t really serve much of a story point besides Marinette’s growth away from Adrien being the central focus of her life. They’re probably going to remain a couple for at least half of season four, but will end once Marinette has shifted her focus and they therefore no longer serve a purpose
Personally l would choose Marinette but until she gets character development l am with kagami. Even though l don't ship her and adrien at all adrien needs to realize who he truly loves and wants to be with. And he also needs some character development that's why l think he should date kagami. To realize his true feelings for Marinette.
@@lollipopsky8941 did you even read what they first said? Or you need help with reading
I say Marigami or Lukagami, unless *of course* the bad side of the adrinette community ruins it for everyone.
@@modernqueen9243 Why Marigami? They don't have any feelings for each other
Adrien never loved kagami kagami thus he does because he gave kagami a rise which was meant for lady bug but ladybug didn't like him back
But Marrinete likes Adrian as adrien and not cat noir but adrien like Marrinete as lady bug and not Marrinete
"That being said... I hope they tone it down because it does get really weird."
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Who else FR almost choked while he was saying ‘’ Marinette marrying master Fu’’ like I fell out of my chair and needed to call the fire department.
There are people out there who ship that
@@strawberrycutiecakes1141 the heel wdym omg
@@lilshrek7456 there's a small grpup of people who ship master fu and marinette 😭
@@strawberrycutiecakes1141 ewwww
master fu has a wife named Marianne
Somewhat gives me a feeling luka is perfect for marinette but mari for adrien...
But we have seen in the season 3 and new york special that a change is occuring in both LadyNoir and MariCat ships..Like Adrien is frequently approaching for physical contacts, and he has started to see marinette more than just friends he even praises her frequently...
Meanwhile Ladybug too has become friendlier with Cat Noir and has feelings for him emotionally...
Based on New York movie
to be fair adrien always praises mari frequently
Marinette it’s already confirmed that Marinette and Adrien are gonna be a couple
REALLY??? HOW DID U KNOW
but they didn't say when tho
@Cris De Castro I thought it will happen in season 5? Due to something happening to adrien at the end of season 4.
@It’s Gachian yayyyy i’m so exited it’s supposed to come out september of this year
Anyone else annoyed when adrien says ‘she’s just a friend’
1st of all, those points were approving.......According to me, Marinette is the best choice for Adrien because they are very similar to each other (same behavior, attitude etc) but apart from that.....they clearly understand each other......and now that we know that Adrien has feelings for Marinette which are suppressed (for now atleast).....this gives us some hope that Adrien might reconsider his relationship with Marinette.
These are just my thoughts
@RN - 07LS 820447 Mountain Ash MS Thank you for the compliment ☺️
Marinette is a stalker lmao
They also get eachother so well. This is also shown by ladybug and cat noir fighting together. Cat noir always understands her complex plans.
@@Rainjojo marinette isn't necessarily a stalker. She's obsessive. If she does date adrien tho. In pretty sure her obsessive behaviour could and will go away. Also they both understand each other. In pretty sure marinette would accept every part of adrien as shown in truth (and lies) where she likes chat noir's jokes and puns the most. Kahani and Adrien are better off as friends. They have a connection but their forcing it into a relationship. (like what Carly says in icarly). Kagami also doesn't accept every side of adrien. She accepts the perfect side not the imperfect. I feel like marinette will accept his imperfect side as perfect.
I disagree cause of her stalker behaviour, it’s not “cute”. But I respect your opinion too.
Actually, the perfect one for Adrien is....
*a croissant*
lol true
🥐👀💖
Lol
best ship ngl
@@pixisticks yeh
I think with Kagami and Luka, both of them were written to shine in the areas where the other doesn’t. For Luka, as much as I love him, he’s the most poorly developed character in the whole show. We barely even know who he is. I think this is because his development as a character was put on the chopping block so they could focus on his relationship with Marinette and how it grows. Kagami was the opposite. She’s a polarizing character, and has been from the start. When you look at most of the episodes centered on her, Adrien rarely appears in them. If he does, in something like Animaestro, they’re both just kind of in the background so we don’t get to see much of what, if anything, is developing between them. On the flip side, however, Kagami’s growth as a character is insane for what limited screen time she gets. Instead of exploring her connection with Adrien, the show always lets that take a backseat so that it can make room for Kagami as a character. I think the writers chose this dynamic between our two rival ships on purpose. It really covers all your bases. You’ve got one couple, Adrigami, that really feels like a rival ship. It’s meant to make the audience nervous, and question if Adrien will abandon any interest in Ladybug or developing interest in Marinette, but other than that it’s not really designed to make the viewer root for them. Then, your other couple, Lukanette, is meant to test one’s loyalty as a viewer. They’ve got chemistry unmatched by Adrigami, and since in this pairing of the love square Marinette is the one going unnoticed for some other girl, we want to see her get with a guy who’ll treat her right and make her happy. I agree with you though, I don’t think either ship is right for the endgame. Lukanette might be a tempting thought, but there’s a reason characters in the show keep making comments about Marinette and Adrien being made for each other.
Not trying to rain on the parades of anyone who ships Adrigami. I don’t think they have development or chemistry, but I still respect that there’s something there that leads people to ship. Shipping is subjective so I’m not trying to discourage enjoying the couple. Hell, I love Luka and I just listed all the reasons I shouldn’t 😂
I agree, with all of your points(except maybe Lukanette because they have no chemistry as well)!!
@@lilymadkins3558 l agree with you l personally don't see lukanette having any chemistry either and l almost feel sorry for luka because despite his confession Marinette is still crazy about adrien and is leading luka on l mean it is very one sided. Luka going after Marinette is unhealthy if she is still going after adrien luka is just going to end up getting hurt.
@@frederickbeatson2238 But it's all Luka's fault! I mean he knows that Marinette will never love him as much as she loves Adrien so if I was his position, I would definitely stop loving her!
And, she actually has every right to love Adrien, just because Luka loves her back she is not entitled to return his feelings! And I don't she leading Luka on, kisses on the cheek doesn't have any romantic meanings behind it!
Lukanette has no chemistry. Luka and Marinette make no sense whatsoever not even in real life. In real life, if someone writes a song about you and pretends to know what’s in your heart the very first two minutes he met you , that’s a red flag right there. In real life Luka would be that emo guitarist that enjoys picking up girls using superficial pick up lines and music as his ultimate tools.
I personally think Marinette is what Adrien needs. You see as he's Catnoir he often needs affection due to his lack during his childhood. Although Marinette needs improvement, if she fixes her jealousy and stalker-ish issues she and Adrien could really work out. As I love Kagami with all me heart, her and Adrien don't work well. Kagami is very headstrong and assertive, and Adrien really just wants someone to have fun with and to love. I feel like Kagami needs someone a little more assertive and less easy going than Adrien. While Adrien could do really well with Marinette, as they are both very affectionate people who could balance each other out nicely. Marinette could help fill the void that was left by his lack of father figure and Adrien could help her boost her confidence. I'm not even saying this because of the show's standing point at the moment, but they genuinely would work out really well together.
Yes that is true. I couldn't have worded it better my self.
This guy is hilarious when he says “ain’t”
And when he says Marrinette is a stalker he is so right
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I think Kagami is better for Adrien, Because they get along well. Near the end of the story Marinette gives up on Adrien and goes for Luka. She's very fond to others, And know's it would be wrong to ruin Kagami and Adrien's friendship.
When Kagami gets akumatised the second time, she makes the mistake of claiming that she could only ever love Adrian. She convinced herself that the very first boy that noticed her was THE ONE and that's not a healthy mindset to have moving forward. How is she going to let go when he chooses someone else?
Yeah but she did move on in mr. Pigeon 72
If marinette wasn’t adrien’s first ever friend,yeah they would have been dating by now
Since adrien just doesn’t want to ruin their friendship
actually Chloe was his first ever friend and he did top being herefriend for treating people bad but then became here friend agin but he would never do that to marinette tho.
@@ashrafshamiri9351 what I think he means is like one of his first best friends not just friends
Yeah that's true
😂😂😂he said "they're RICH RICH RICH"
😂🤣
I think that based off of oblivio, they would work, because they genuinely liked each other’s personalities. when marinette wasn’t stumbling, adrien liked her, and she liked adrien.
All I want is Marinette to stop having this weird stalker behaviour and speak to Adrien properly.
In s5 you get your wish 😊
I really didn't like Lukanette and Adrigami and couldn't take them seriously, mostly bc it was one sided but like Luka and Kagami dated two people whom they knew were in love with someone else (so what did they expect to happen?) and Marinette and Adrien had to save Paris, they couldn't stay on dates while Paris was terrorised. Marinette and Adrien never told these two they loved them, they just gone out on two dates. Fanon Lukanette and Adrigami were cute, but in canon they were weird, awkward, and obviously nothing was in there. Plus Luka and Kagami have no affect on plot what so ever (so far). Adrinette meanwhile, they had ups and downs but every time they were dating in other timelines they were perfect. Love Square has never left the chat and never will. Plus Adrinette has it's own theme music and umbrella scene, I think there is no point to argue which ship is superior.
i swear if the love square flips (by that i mean, mari likeing cat, and adrien liking mari.)
I WILL CRY.
I'll be more cheering then crying
But I'm with you 😉
I absolutly LOVED when he said about Kagami "Yeah, she just aint it."
3:35
Mr Fu said it all. He picked marinette and adrien to be ladybug and chat noir for a reason. They are made for each other.🥰
Basically what these characters want from adrien:
Lila- Wealth and power.
Chloe- a genuine friend.
Kagami- a forced relationship or forced love.
Marinette- a sincere love.
so true
Yeah. Seeing season 4 I felt really bad for marinette (and luka, adrien and kagami but mostly marinette honestly) how she just wanted someone to love her and help her. She just wanted sincere love and affection from a significant other but her duties as guardian and ladybug ruined it for her
Bruh I know kagami and lila are toxic but seriously marinette she's a literal stalker , look I don't hate mari but the way thomas has written her kinda gets my nerves. Kagami and marinette both can be a better partner but if they only bother to stop stalking,being pushy and obsessing over the poor boy
Both Lukanette and Adrigami have zero chemistry and since their personalities are two similar they would often clash! So for me, it is always Adrienette and both Adrien and Marinette doesn't love Luka and Kagami. They never did and never will, they have always been Marinette's and Adrien's plan B from the beginning so doesn't Luka/Kagami deserve better?
While I agree Marinette doesn't always express her love for Adrien in the most healthy way but that doesn't mean that her feelings for him aren't genuine, deep down she truly loves him and since we know that they are the endgame, they both will probably receive heavy character development that will convince the viewers to ship them even harder, therefore by making their obsession a bit more healthy!!
I agree
I just love how you say heavy character development that just caught me off guard 😁😂🥺💖😜✌️
@@yajairapena10 Don't worry, they are the two main characters whose names are literally in the tile and comparing to other characters who are most likely to recieve any character development at all, Adrien and Marinette's would look heavy( at least in comparison!)
@@lilymadkins3558 well yeah I definitely agree 😜✌️💖💝
Yeah, I doubt that on the development part.
“They have no chemistry at all”
Me: PERIOD
I could definitely see Marinette and Adrien / Cat Noir and Ladybug being together as they both have such amazing chemistry, but on the other hand Kugami and Adrien don't really seem like they would be a happy together. I think they would suit each other as "just friends"
I feel like Kagami, Lila, or Chloe would be better as the main character so hear me out first before you say something on why you don’t think so. So why would Kagami, Lila, or Chloe be a better choice then Marinette? Well here’s why I think so. The whole show is based off of the Agreste and Graham De Vanily family background. Gabriel is ShadowMoth, Emily is in a coma, the Graham De Vanily twin rings, Felix, etc. The whole family is the plot of the show.
First I will tell you my reasons for Kagami. Tomoe Tursugi is the mother of Kagami and a very close friend of Gabriel Agreste. The friendship of Tomoe and Gabriel has always bothered me. It just doesn’t make sense. He’s Paris most famous fashion designer and she’s well a blind feisty women. So I thought more into this friendship and realized that Gabriel always makes friends with people who can help him with his plans as Hawkmoth. So I’m thinking that Kagamis family has something to do with the backstory of Adriens family. They also have a lot of stuff in common. They both were isolated in their rooms growing up, they do fencing, they both know multiple languages, and they are expected so much from their parents.
Next up is Lila. Lila is a pretty questionable character. We all know that Lila has been helping Gabriel as him self and ShadowMoth with their evil schemes. What’s she doing it for? Adrien. What does this have to do with her being meant for Adrien? Simple. Lila has been apart of the background of his family and has been lying just for him. It would be cool to see character development just for her love for Adrien. She also stalks him and lies just for him. Reminds me of somebody. Oh yeah! Marinette. So if it’s ok for Marinette to do it I don’t see why Lila can’t.
Lastly Chloe. As we all know Gabriel would not be a well known name if it wasn’t for Audrey. The reason why Gabriel is famous and has his job is because of her. Audrey is very important character for the story and doesn’t get enough credit. I’m hoping that in the Gabriel Agreste episode we learn a bit more about her. I have a feeling there’s more to her then we think. But,back to my explanation. Chloe and Adrien basically grew up together. Chloe is Adriens first friend too. There would be great character development for both characters just to get them together.
And to why I don’t think Marinette is a good match for Adrien cuase why not. I feel like Marinette is a Y/n in a Harry Styles high school fan fiction. She has a huge stutter count too. Kinda like every single Y/n. Also she some what reminds me of a Mary Sue. She never really makes mistakes and when she does she doesn’t learn a lesson from them. She’s a perfect character who always does everything right and is perfect in everybody’s eyes. It really annoys me that she can’t talk right around Adrien and always falls. The second hand embarrassment is being given to me way to often too. Also her character is to hard for character development. Her family has no connection to the Agreste or Graham De Vanily family’s either. She also has nothing that her and Adrien can share. The only reason they are friends is because of Alya and Nino dating. If it weren’t for them they’d probably never have spoken.
At 4:43, Alix's Lip Syncing Smarty's Voice.
I really think that Chloe isn’t in love with Adrien but she just sees him as a friend. Maybe she wants to be close with him and stuff because he’s one of his only friends
Yes
Adrien has about as much chemistry with Kagami as I do, which is to say NONE. As was said near the end of the video, THE ENTIRE STORY has been building towards Marinette and Adrien. Having Marinette or Adrien end up with someone else wouldn’t just be a massive mistake from a story perspective, it would be a betrayal of the fans. Just because you know where a story is going doesn’t mean the story is bad as a result. It’s why suspense is far better than simple shock value.
As Alfred Hitchcock said: “If you have a room full of people and it blows up, your audience will have about 10 seconds of shock. If you tell your audience that a bomb will blow up in 10 minutes, you now have 10 minutes of suspense.”
Yes
If we reached a point where we are choosing the 'best option' of partner to Adrien, then we completely forgot the signs and the obvious.
Both girls are similar to be honest, personality wise. Kagami may be blunt, seem cold, and too defensive, yet let's not forget the last trait is also Marinette's as well.
Kagami is kind on the inside and it can be shown if well interacted with her (both Adrien and Marinette can testify). She is confident, beautiful, and knows what she wants in life which, whether haters like it or not, is actually attractive and appealing in terms of energy and optimism.
She's also a good supporter with her wise words.
Marinette has the same exact traits for she has beauty in and out, clumsy (from believing so actually - the proof she isn't is Ladybug), seems more social but in fact Kagami is too if it wasn't for her mother, a hard to stop energy, and a big heart, except that she believes the positive ones belong to Ladybug as if that part of her wasn't her. As long as Marinette doesn't believe in herself and mainly love both sides of herself (with or without insecurities and mask on or off), she will keep failing in being an equal match to Kagami while she can be otherwise.
One difference would be Kagami giving Adrien a choice as another human while Marinette uses overpower to become Adrien's fate without giving our boy some space and choice to reject and accept as if he was already hers (Season 4 pushing Marinette to focus on herself first before love and boys will make a huge impact on the show and the Relationship Meter, I'm sure).
However, by the end of the day, Adrien remains a human with a mind and heart which makes him qualified to choose on his own despite his... Innocence and poor social abilities. I'm certain that both girls will want him happy in the end for they love him which means they will respect his choice and most likely stay friends with the other girl for friendship doesn't end from competition over a lover, correct?
We should do the same. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@@kittykat896 Thank you, I hope others will too as long as they understand what I said ^~^
I agree also the point about marinette acting like he's already hers is also shown with kagami. She gets mad that another girl kissed him on the cheek and just that got her akumatised (marinette does too)
I think Mari (because most of the characters say the belong to each other not to mention the moon dance in the New York special Mari actually sees Luka as a friend so dose adrien but adrien started to have a little feelings)
Yeah but if you think about it literally the only reason they seem like their meant for each other is bc the side characters say so.
@@coping.nonessentials not really if you look deep into the ship you see a lot of reasons
I think in season 4 we might see ladybug falling in love with chat and drifting away from adrien and adrien falling in love with Marinette and drifting away from ladybug which might also lead us to having more moments of marichat!
YES!!!
That’s an ‘utterly ridiculous’ question
It’s marinette
Yup (as a love square shipper's perspective of course)
There were a couple of scenes that I did really like with Kagami and Adrien that I thought pointed to a healthier relationship, though I still think all your points stand. But a couple of times I really saw Adrien joking around and playing (more of his cat noir personality) around Kagami. I think they were sword fighting playfully with kitchen utensils in one scene and then there was another where they were laughing and joking about ditching a responsibility or something and I thought it was adorable and I was so happy to see Adrien actually able to relax as himself because even around Marinette he feels a little stiff to me when you consider how playful he is as Cat Noir. I just really need Marienette to love him even for his silly side. The last time he tried to play around with her she did the whole creepy kissing what she thought was wax Adrien. I need that to rectified and both of them to be able to play and laugh with each other.
wow i acrually love this because most of the fandom that ships adrigami is because is healthier I actually not into adrigami but those scenes were very cute tbh, they had pretty good chemistry but not as much adrinette or lukanette, actually kagami and adrien being friends makes more sense to me and tbh adrigami thing feels forced and pretty bland...BUT i have to admit some adrigami scenes were very cute
After watching Ikari Gozen, I fricking love kagami. Although I love Adrienette, kagami would be so perfect with him. Or so I thought. Kagami and Adrien just have no chemistry as said in the video. Now kagami and luka. They're they definition of perfect couple (on paper of course. Adrienette is the more popular perfect couple.) Think about it! My life would be complete knowing luka and kagami aren't going to be left alone and heartbroken. Since luka is such a perfect choice and everyone wants him with Mari. And everyone loves kagami and wants her for Adrien. Finally I don't have to be torn that I like Mari with Adrien!
I love when he talks about a dark timeline where Adrienette doesn’t happen, there is a clip from Chat Blanc.
This "Those two are made for each other" very much reminds me of "wir passen perfekt zusammen" in Dark series.
MARINETTE HANDS DOWN "THEYRE MADE FOR EACH OTHER"
My opinions on them:
Marinette - She is like a stalker to me but kinda perfect for Adrien.
Kagami - She seems pretty nice, passive, and kinda a bit suits for Adrien a bit but Adrien does not like her. I hope the fandom treated her like a kinda person.
Lie-la - NOT SUITABLE FOR ADRIEN she is just a liar. Hope the fandom treated her that Lie-la would be the kind person and the rest it will be mean
Chloe - Not so sure, they are just friends. Hope the fandom doesn’t hurt her that way.
Adrien himself - Ah yes, *A d r i e n.*
Y’all don’t take it seriously
@@juneab2904 Adrien is kinda "just a friend" guy
She does suit adrien but the only reason she actually lives him is the fact that he's a good fencer and have her a rose. She started growing feelings for him but with the perfect side. I myself dunt ship adrien and kagami along with marinette and luka but respect others
Always Adrienette! 💖✨
"I'd consider you if Adrien didn't exist"
Adrien/Chat:
Y u bully me
Wait so like, they are the main characters and main characters always goes together, but in the other hand they’ll be some twist of adrien liking both girls. But I’m pretty sure not 100% though they’ll get together. It just takes time, but when they’re adults I know they’ll move on from their parents and maybe they’ll finally reveal their secret identity. And become more powerful to deafest hawk moth. But there’s always a twist it’s not simple and goes happy ending. I think kagami wants to push adrien closer to him more. While marinette knows how to control it, he knows how much she loves Adrien and she knows that’s it’s his choice and not hers. While kagami forcing him to love her. I know Adrien might be that guy, that every girl falls in love with, also his such a nice guy he helps lots of his friends. So I really think he like kagami, also marinette. Since the New York special event. Maybe Adrien will end up with kagami, and so on they’ll be together for not too long. And might think about marinette more. And that;s where the point he finally realised that marinette is more than just a friend to him. She done more than kagami, just notice how marinette would do anything for him. She can be so jealousy, but she would never make decision for anyone else. Besides she’s the nicest she done many things to Adrien. Help him with his fashion design. Although she gets so crazy around him, but soon after that when she finally has a chance to have Adrien heart. Marinette will soon confess her feelings, not as teenagers since his father makes a plan for them to break apart from each other, and how marinette cried and almost got akumatised by hawk moth, but I’m sure when they’re older they’ll finally be together. When kagami tried kissing adrien, Adrien pushed her as in his been thinking about someone like ladybug, but then in New York special he finally realised he likes marinette but won’t admit it. And that he wasn’t ready yet. Do you know what kagami only have done for Adrien, not much but she only does is fencing with him. But he sees marinette more like when they go fight super-villains. Secretly, they see eachother more, while kagami and Adrien only does fencing together. But in the last season 3part 2 of the episode. You see them, kagami and Adrien together having ice-cream together, and Luca and marinette I don’t think Luca would have marinette because he knows he truely love Adrien more, and his a special great character he knows how special he is for marinette. Remeber the time when it started raining, while marinette try’s to go home but it started to rain and Adrien gave his umbrella. After that master fu said, “those two are made for eachother”. So as the New York special of the girl saying, “a those two are meant to be together”. I’m sure they’ll be together but in a twist it’s never too simple. If you made this so far thank you for reading it while I was explaining, also I’m a huge fan of this seasons episode. 😊
It's god damn novel
Mari of course. They have gone through a lot together as their hero selves and civilian selves (Adrian and Mari). Also Adrian can't stand Mari been hurt . When Lila hurt Mari Adrian put Lila in her place .
That proved Mari matter so much to Adrian .. Also when Mari was almost akumatised in chat blanc Adrian saved her . Another thing Adrian 's first thought is to protect Mari and to ask about her whereabouts. Plus Thomas emphasizes the fact that Adrian and Mari are meant to be like all the time . In the train episode Adrian put his head on her shoulders. Mari is my fav character. She is often misunderstood. Saying she is hella creepy but Adrian doesn't think so .. Adrian said that he doesn't at all mind a lot of pictures of him even in unlikely places . To me Adrian is saying that he doesn't at all mind that Mari has pictures of him and he even said that he was glad to have her as a fan . It's clear Adrian doesn't at all mind Mari 's behaviour and he loves her and always there for her ... Also Mari gave up Adrian in season 3 finale . SHE feels that Adrian likes Kagami so it's best if she keeps her distance . Mari so strong and funny . Her awkward and creepy behaviour makes me laugh .... In puppeteer 2 when Adrian was not a statue and she almost kissed him l laughed my head off . Mari is my fav character. If it wasnt for her and Adrian l would never watch the show. Mari is the most strongest character l have even seen ... She hides her feelings whilst Adrian let's his feelings get in the way .. Also Mari so clumsy and l am also clumsy .Mari is artistic and l am also artistic . I would never hate Mari cause she is super funny , super caring , loving and sweet. When Adrian asked her for love advice she put her feelings aside and helped him with Kagami . That's so sweet if you ask me. If l were her l would never do that. Mari is just a sweety just like Adrian. Those two are made for each other and they love and trust each other . Even people who love each other fight and disagree but at the end they are back together. Mari is sassy.. I just like her.. In new york she admitted she was harsh with chat and regretted what she did ... Mari has emotions ..... Plus it's her first time liking a guy especially one who is famous ...
Mari is more and more smart everyday . Even though she is clearly better than chat she said it herself that she can't imagine being ladybug without chat noir.. That means chat noir is important to her ..Clearly even though she doesn't know it she confessed she loves him more than a friend by saying these words....
I agree marinette and Adrien are amazing characters and make a great dynamic. They've got a very complicated relationship. They're very similar but so different
Do you know why Adrien is in a relationship with Kagami? BECAUSE MARINETTE NEVER CONFESSED HER FEELINGS AND ACTED LIKE SHE WOULD HATE HIM
Yes.Kagami even said herself “the only thing that’s stoping you is your hesitation” the queen said that “girl your not getting him because I am better your getting him because you hesitate to open up”
And marinette is a stalker and can’t coherent one proper sentence
Actually he wanted to move on from ladybug and forget his feelings for her.
How I see it:
They’re all too young and not mature enough for a relationship, maybe except Luka lol. Otherwise:
Adrien is right for Kagami because Kagami needs someone who balances her personality yet is understanding of her and doesn’t get in her way of life. Unfortunately Kagami loves him because “he is the only person perfect for her”, which is so wrong. She’s too immature and expectant of him, and cuts him down quite quickly. He is often down at her side remarks. And while I don’t blame her, Adrien is neglected enough. He needs someone who can care for him and share an emotional connection with.
Marinette needs someone like Luka, but they aren’t end game which is a shame. Luka is kind and supportive in a way that doesn’t make Marinette need to depend on him because of how insecure she is, but feel more confident in her decisions and as a person; Luka helps bring out a good side in Marinette that is more confident and self-assured. I think Luka deserves someone who can love him wholeheartedly though, he is the best character in the show alskjalj. So. I don’t know how I feel about this couple.
Adrien and Marinette... Marinette would be getting who she wanted, but would Adrien be getting who he wanted? Marinette is emotional and passionate and cares a lot for Adrien, which is the kind of person Adrien needs in his life, but it can be obsessive and often leaves Marinette feeling even more insecure. Not to mention she needs him. She shouldn’t need to be with him, she should want to be with him. It’s a bit too overbearing and would result in a very overbearing and jealous paranoid relationship for him and be tiring for Adrien.
I don’t know; some changes need to be made, obviously, before any of them get into relationships. Waiting to see what Zag does
Agree....
I do agree but luka and marinette make a sort of in healthy couple. Marinette loves luka as in truly lives him but at the same she also likes adrien and we can't really blame her for it. She doesn't control who her heart (actually brain since it's in charge of emotions) loves. Mean while I feel like marinette and Adrien would trust each other alot. I mean V after years of trussing each other about their secret identities and waiting for the right time they have a connection. And I sort of want adrienette to have troubles in their relationship so we can see how they get thru it together and grow a stronger bond. After all every couple fights
I kind of feel like marinette acts the same way helga from hey arnold does when it comes to their crushes
to be fair helga never assumes arnold would be into her
@@clarisacalderon9555 And the difference between her and marinette is?
The difference is that Helga is mean to Arnold while Marinette is not mean to Adrien nor Chat noir. So that's the difference.
Kagami and adrien is like same poles of magnet which are in same category and knows each other but always keep repelling. That's why Adrien and marinette is a perfect couple .😚✌
Coughs. Oh god I'm dying!🤭😂🤣🤣🤣 Adrigami forever! Stalkernette can go bye bye!
I 100% agree with you. Great video!
Honestly in my opinion, until Marinette can grow up, neither her or Kagami should have Adrien. They kind of have the same mindset: "Adrien is perfect." Adrien is just a sweet guy comes from a controlling household and Chat Noir is the person he truly wants to be. Marinette at this point is kind of obsessed with him hence Chat Blanc and Kagami, sure she has can connect to Adrien with her own family, but she she still see him as "perfect". Adrien deserves a nice girl that can be his best friend who can talk to. That's all.
And I feel Marinette could become that girl once she grows out of that phase, which she seems to be. Possibly late S4 / S5
@@xd-qg5dz Hopefully. They were on a good track by the end of season 2 only to put Marinette back at square one by season 3.
I agree. I don't really recall Marinette and Adrien ever exchanging a cross word with each other in argument past the origin episode. Even then, that was simply due to a misunderstanding.
She doesn't see any other side to him other than his kindness and talents. Marinette sees Adrien's tragedy but she doesn't see his flaws as Adrien. Only as they transfer in Cat Noir and she points them out there.
However, Adrien rarely puts a foot out of place. So it's not obvious to his mates his too conplacent nature. And how protective he can be over his friends.
What needs to happen for Marinette to stop seeing him as a perfect crush, is to see him as a REAL person with positive attributes and flaws that he commits like everyone else.
She can still love him, but it wouldnt be true love unless she knew both his good AND bad side.
Yeah, I think she needs to learn to talk to him better, to get him to open up around her. Adrien was trained to always try to be perfect, to not step out of line. We see his true self with Chat Noir. I hope he shows this side of him; his relaxed,witty, and go with the flow side more to her. He seemed to start to in puppeteer 2, but Marinette pulled away after him telling her he's in love with someone.
Marinette is better for adrien forever as chosen ones
But like how.
@@coping.nonessentials they have a lot of chemistry and have a strong bond. They have similar interests but are polar opposites. They fill the holes the other one has and understand each other like no one else
The love each others imperfect sides (as in adrien loving marinette's any behaviour and ladybug loving chat noir's puns and jokes) and they focus on and admire each others qualities like adrien loves how marinette takes charge in situations and is calm, smart, funny, etc while ladybug loves chat noir's ability to comfort others and how he says just the right thing to boost up her hope. She also loves his puns. They protect each other with their life. They see each other as imperfectly perfect.
If this doesn't convince you then I don't know what will. Also please respect people who ship adrienette instead of asking and saying their not compatible
@@samanrais4006 first of all, if you’ve ever seen the fandom, you’d know that there are four ways to ship them (lmao). I’m just saying adrianett ain’t it. First of all, marinette has stalker behavior around adrien. Like in the episode “trouble maker” the numerous amounts of pictures under her bed and dressers, or when in “cat blanc” she smells adrians pillow and lays in his bed. She’s so obsessed that she won’t acknowledged accept any flaws. She’s over possessive, like she’ll follow anyone who she thinks likes adrien. While Adrien does appreciate her leadership, kindness, etc, he doesn’t realize that she’s obsessed with him. Like even if they dated do you know how toxic of a relationship it would be? If the creators of miraculous actually learned how to write a teenage girl then it would be fine. Also ladynoir is the best ship honestly because there is a mutual respect in some degree.
@@samanrais4006 also sense when was making puns considered a flaw like….
@@coping.nonessentials i never said it was considered a flaw but it was something ladybug didn't like about chat noir but grew to like it. Also I have seen the fandom and I know the love square. But all of them are just 2 people in costumes or without costumes. Marinette having pictures of adrien on her walls or under her bed is basically every adrien obsessed fan like that guy in party crasher. My closing has over 1000 pictures or raya and namaari. Having them in your walls is basically the same thing as having them on your laptop or phone. Adrien knows about the pictures but he isn't bothered. Why? Because he thinks it's about fashion is the thing stated in the show but it's also common for celebs to not be suprised over a thousand pictures because they have obsessed fans everywhere. How would adrienette be toxic btw? If i se them get together they would help and comfort each other for example marinette has helped adrien constantly with his father and Adrien might be able to help marinette become more calm and collected. Marinette being jealous of they do get together would probably only be jealous of a person who flirt with adrien or like him. That's common I mean they're found to be dating and he is famous so of course she doesn't want anyone flirting with adrien. And this basically the inconsistent writing or the writers. They don't know how to write a teenage crush. We've also seen the timeline in which they are together. They seem to be perfectly fine. After they start dating marinette will also probably stop mumbling and stumbling.
Lila : Nope! Adrien doesn’t like her at all Chloe: Adrien and her have known each other for along time, so I think they’ll just remain “friends.” Kagami: I think Adrien likes her because she is wise and confident. But she is a little boring for him tbh. Marinette: I think she is fun and exciting, which Adrien likes. But Marinette is never clear about her feeling so that’s why they’re just friends
Marinette no question we don’t need this conversation.
I've been reading a lot of webtoons and usually characters similar to Kagami ended up being loved, while characters like Marinette ended up being hated. Also characters similar to Kagami usually ended up being reincarnated and ended up being the lead character.
Why is this even a question Marinette of course.
I think Adrien just needs to move and find a new person to like. Marinette is a stalker who can't even talk to him, and Ladybug is often abusive in the way that she doesn't treat him with a whole lot of dignity.
Long story short, Adrien doesn't have any good options and should really just look elsewhere. The only way their relationship makes sense is from a narrative perspective.
Yep.
I agree with every point you made in this video. Kagami and Adrian have ZERO chemistry and it will never work out. Luka and Marinette have chemistry and such but Luka deserves better and Marinette and Adrien just work. If they get character development (with the creepy shit-- which I also think is exaggeration that they need to stop-- and the whole Adrien- Ladybug and Marinette- Adrien) and the directors speed it up more, they could have a real healthy relationship that I would be happy about. I also think they should touch more on certain topics such as: Felix, Adrien dealing with grief, real heartbreak etc. Also, I would love for Chloe to get some character development because in my head, she could be really great and her and Luka could have chemistry.
I think that since the very beginning, it showed that Adrienette would be a major ship. I personally ship them, but I ship their alter egos more than I ship them. Ladybug’s character and Cat Noir’s character fit so well together. Sometimes Adrien and Marinette can get really awkward, but Ladybug and Cat Noir don’t. They trust each other and depend on each other. The chemistry between them as themselves and as heroes has been lifted from the beginning, and it seems weird for Luka and Kagami to come in and swoop them off their feet. Let’s face it-it’s a little difficult to imagine Adrien and Kagami as a couple. I see them as great friends for sure, but nothing more. It takes more than having things in common to have chemistry. Even in the NY Special, he seemed more excited with the fact of going with New York than being with Kagami. Luka and Marinette. I see why people ship them. Luka is so kind and is someone Marinette can really rely on. For characters, I do kind of ship them, but as far as story wise, I think Luka needed a bit more character development to be with Marinette, since she is such a main character.
Anyways, if anyone actually took the time to read that, thank you. It’s my opinion, so don’t change what you think of the whole ship dynamic between all of them because of this.
I agree with this completely. Adrien and kagami are better off as friends while luka and marinette seem like a very bland ship. Adrienette will have problems like adrien's father not accepting marinette or might have trust issues with the whole identity revealed to alya first or chat noir not listening to ladybug in New York special but I would love to see how they get through that and grow a stronger bond. They will burn ho through character development
I agree with you on all of these arguments
ADRIENETTE! 💗💙 MARICHAT! 💗🖤 LADYNIOR!❤🖤 LADRIEN! ❤💙SHIP THE WHOLE FRAKING SQUARE!
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adrien doesn’t look as happy with kagami as he is with marinette. personally i think marinette should not be in a relationship for at least 1 season bc her entire personality is liking her crush. adrien seems so much more happy with marinette even in friendly situations. judging by how the new york special went i think marinette’s creepy side will calm down a bit. however i could be wrong bc Astruck hates changing his characters
I honestly really like the idea of marinette with Luca and adrien with kagami
Like you said, marinette and Luca have a good relationship and they compliment eachother well, Luca actually noticed her for being her and she seems really comfortable around him, and he’s always there to make her feel better. They have a mutual understanding.
Adrien and kagami, they’re really close and definitely comfortable with eachother, and the way adrien acts towards her sometimes id a bit more open than he does with his everyday friends, which I think shows that he has some affection towards her, but honestly I’d say they’re better off as close friends 😅
_adrien can just be lover-less.. 👀_
I feel like it would be cool if eventually in season 4 if Adrian and Marinette get together Kagami gets really sad and angry (possibly akumatized) and maybe if she uses the dragon miraculous again she talks to ladybug about it, and maybe develops a crush on ladybug or Marinette?
Who’s better for Marinette?
*chat noir of course!*
But like really. They’re pretty much confirmed to be a thing in season 4.
i love marichat!
Marinette is best for Adrien as the are made for each other as they look super cute. I love them a lot. Adrienette forever
"... you'd tell him to run, and run FAST." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Adrien knows lila’s a liar. Chloe is slowly finding herself but is still a bit pushy around adrien and friends. Kagami very bland, has less emotion and adrien is very awkward around her. Marinette is slowly becoming different in adriens eyes and there pretty close as friends and have been so meant for eachother, they are just perfect.
Adrian and kagami should be together marinette is really obsessive and Adrian doesn’t have love interests.And kagami likes Adrian so dose Adrian sometimes but sadly the creater just wants to do this AND marinette she is a jerk she abuses her powers legit makes Lila look bad,yes I know it’s good to call out people lying but marinette abused her powers just to expose Lila what a terrible protagonist!
True, I mean I just felt the ending 3d season felt it was forcing Kagami on him. I mean getting angry with him because he's not ready to be with her was a MAJOR throw off for me like WTF?! In my eyes it was more him going along with this as seeing and taking the opportunity to get over LB. Another one was in NY special sorry but what kind of girlfriend doesn't even try to cheer up her guy seeing him so much down but kicks him in the guts saying how bad he was during training??? I might not be good in relationships but if my guy was so much down I'd try to help him out! Now probably her fans will Attack me saying I was opposed this ship because it's in the way of Adrinette, I admit I'm shipper of this couple BUT that doesn't mean I don't see faults of this ship. Believe me, I do like I REALLY want to forget the episode with Desperata, Party pooper or Pupetter 2 because it was painful to watch. But I believe it was made because of humor which I can't see why but still... in more serious moments like Marinette seeing him down because of NY and deciding to help him in thoughts in her mind to do this strictly AS FRIEND and nothing more or helping him watch the movie with his mum in it, this wasn't doing just to be close to him BUT because it was important TO HIM, backing off in last episodes of 3rd season putting his happiness before hers is something what you do when you really love someone. Love is sometimes about letting go, which we saw in NY she was trying to do. And as shown in Amnesio he's attracted to her when she's herself by him and this shows a lot.
So trueee!! You spoke my mind!!
This is literally what I thought like I don't hate kagami or anyone that ships her with adrien but their very incompetent
In cat Blanc Adrien goes up to marinette and says "Ive realized that your not just a friend to me, Ive always felt like you were more than that" Which probably means that even before he knew she was ladybug he still had feelings for Marinette!!
That's exactly the implementation. 🌸
I think it’s Marinette is more better for adrien. If you noticed, adrien keeps saying Marinette is just a friend. But it’s kinda beyond that, plus, he himself asked Marinette to dance with him in the despair bear episode, and feels more comfortable towards her as he is scared to go alone in the ice skating rink with Kagami.
I honestly think I'd go for adrienette because marimette is the only one who truly loves Adrien and would do anything for him. Like the scarf she got him for his birthday and besides they're made for each other as everyone says😍😍
I’m gonna say kagami, unless marinette stops her creepy stalkerish behavior.
uh hu P/
I always felt like Marinette was better because Adrien has been through so much, and needs someone like Marinette, to be there for him. I feel like Mari can show Adrien the love that he has missed from his father, and Kagami kinda fails to show him, affectionate love. Adrien can experience friendly in-laws (another thing Kagami cannot offer).
Master fu and wayzz - They’re made for each other
Plagg - Anyone who writes as sickeningly sweet as you must be your soulmate
Forgot the name of the robot from NYS- these two are totally made for each other
I feel like theoretically Adrien and Kagami work out. As pointed out in the video they have many things in common BUT I still think Marinette is better for Adrien because he needs to break out of that isolated rich kid world and Kagami wouldn’t be possible to do that since she herself is part of that world. And I think he (and Kagami as well btw) has to get out of that world because it’s just borderline abuse and he would not be able to live a happy life if he continued like that (I’m not done watching the video yet if this gets mentioned at some point then I’m sorry)
In my opinion Kagami is much better for Adrien because Marinnete STALKS him, and Adrien is more interested in how brave people are, like Kagami and Ladybug. Overall Marinnete is not a very well written character. Thank you for listening
Agreed.
A literal *ANDROID* said in the NYS
“They’re made for eachother”. So They are
(mari and adrien)
I think if they could expose their identities they could help each other grow so much. Marinette could be her confident self and learn to express herself freely and Adrien can learn to feel love that is genuine and learn to be a good friend and partner (romantically and super hero wise)
I think Marinette and Adrien just need more moments as friends. Like for them to actually see new sides of each other will get them closer. For example let Marinette be more confident around him and let Adrien make jokes and have her laugh at them and maybe have them lowkey flirt? I stan a more confident Marinette just so they can switch roles.
Adien and marinette all the way
Lila and Chloe obviously don't have a chance with Adrien, but I can't agree with you about Kagami. Like you said, Marinette and Luka's personalities match way better, but Adrien and Kagami have a lot in common too. Surely Marinette would do anything for Adrien but she's blinded by her love. Kagami isn't like that and she understands him way better. At this point in the story, I'm not sure Marinette and Adrien could have a healthy relationship. I think the reveal has to happen first so that she accepts Adrien's flaws.
The New York special movie made me so happy
I read a thing saying that they will eventually be canon which I'm hoping is true I think marinette and adrien are cute together. It reminds me how I was with my first crush I was the same way
well as story point of view marinett is the one. as we saw the cast even made some hidden hints too.like the fact that their normal clothes have the opposite colour in negative colour filter. and well they really can complete each other. as they do as super heroes. they both are dying to tell each other how much they want to be together as chatnoir he is killing himself to win ladybug heart and as marinett she is dying to tell Adrien how she feels. and the only reason she can't is her deep love for him. well marinett attracted to luka but I don't think she loves him. somehow he is the first one who flirted with her and considered her more than just friends. and you know it's somehow suspicious. and actually I seriously don't know what lukas role is in his sudden and fast relationship with marinett. and about kagami. she looks strange and I think it's soon than we would judge that she is good or evil? specially after NY special and the autopilot car hawkmoth used with tsurog-1 plate number. what if gabriel didn't yet believe that Adrien is not chatnoir? and hawkmoth and her mother tried to bring them together and even asked her to make a relationship with Adrien to infiltrate his secrets. and maybe she even tried to get close to ladybug and achieve her trust to double cross her and take the dragon miraculous. as we saw she somehow was familiar with the miraculous and its functions
Definitely like Marinette she's the best I know that and I think so relationship is for Marinette and Adrienne
Thank u for saying it I don’t see any typa chemistry with adrien and kagami
Marinette is meant to be with Adrien because they both have the same personality in the sense that they are both sweet, caring, love helping others, hate lies and in general are perfect for eachother
Okay is it just me who thinks Kagami and Adrienne wouldn’t work. I personally like Marinette and Adrienne would be better, their chemistry between when they are ladybug and cat noir. Both of them are cute together
I’m Marinette x Adrien all the way. Kagami is always really reserved/tough and she doesn’t necessarily fit in with Adrien’s kind personality (especially considering Adrien’s true self as Cat Noir).
My only problem with Marinette is that the writers make her kind of creepy toward Adrien at times. Like instead of a cute high school crush where she’s so shy and clumsy around him, she’s kind of got an obsession going on. It’s not really cute, I would say. I’m hoping that the creators fix a variety of other aspects in the coming seasons too.
Yeah they made her crush seem wrong and Chat Noir's seem romantic, hopefully season 4 gives her character justice! So far it has!
@@quietopinion9637 Nope. Also the hell is that cosplay?
I think the love square slowly starts to flip during the NYC special. We know adrien (cat noir) falls in love with ladybug because of how confident she is (we could see that in stoneheart, the origins when she stood up to hawkmoth). And when Adrien said he most likely couldn’t go to New York with everyone else, marinette was the first and ONLY person who stood up and said she’d go talk to adrien’s father to convince him to let Adrien go, which was very confident of her, knowing that Gabriel doesn’t let Adrien go out anywhere. I think because of that Adrien slowly starts to fall in love with marinette. While in the beginning of the nyc special, ladybug actually accepts cat noir’s rose, she gives him a smile and accepts it. Yes, the rose meant friendship but still... I think the nyc special was when the love square slowly started to flip
Honestly at this point I think the best pairing for Adrien would be Luka. The boy’s been raised to have basically no agency at all in his life, and having a quietly supportive partner would do wonders for his self esteem and personal growth, in a healthy way. Luka doesn’t appear to need flash, but having a solid, grounded partner would work out well for him too, and I think they’d shine as a couple.
Marinette would do best with Kagami, honestly. She’d quickly put a stop to Marinette’s derp-spirals, while Marinette would bring the kind of creative excitement that Kagami clearly likes but isn’t fundamentally capable of.