Marinette is an ordinary girl yes Parents own a famous bakery, is friends with a rich model, babysits for the most renowned news reporter in the city, is a great artist, a gifted gamer, loved by everyone, has a friendship with an international rockstar, her bully is the mayor's kid... Every girl I know.
@@IceFireofVoid if they focused on adrien more they would not be questions like what happened to his mom or and how peacock miraculous broke, then the series would be boring
she also lives in paris’ 16th arrondissement which is like the most expensive area of paris to live in. no wonder she goes to the same school as the mayor’s daughter
@@michalelkin-bronner13 uh i'm a human being, i have opinions. i hate marinette. she sabotages and stalks people. she sniffed adrien's pillow and broke in his room. she's kissed him while he was pretending to be a statue. she's creepy and weird and doesn't deserve fans. i'm not going to apologize for the show's bad writing. i'm not going to apologize for hating her.
THIS! a good amount of the plot revolves around the Agreste family and Adrien's life just seems a lot more interesting than Marinettes. I hope in season 4, we have more Adrien focused episodes.
Unless he develops and becomes less passive I can't see Adrien centric episodes as interesting. He's just the same old oh woe is me Ladybug can't love meeee both characters need equal development not just one & he has had episodes about himself actually.
Sorry to disappoint you, but we don’t, unless you count Lies which is pretty much for reusing animation, and Chat... nope, he’s mostly (as usual) either sacrificing himself for Ladybug or getting attacked by the villain and having no actual use for the battle or the episode except being Marinette’s love interest, which is pretty boring, if you ask me. If they add another video of no Chat, I swear I’m gonna stop watching the series unless he plays a important role (or Kagami, Chloe as nice, Zoe and Chloe, or Alix)
I came from the future and its seriously horrible! The one time Adrien gets recognition is at the ep "Lies" then after that ep the upcoming episodes barely even show Adrien, (SPOILER) after mari told alya That she was ladybug it made chat noir Look useless BC remember when Ladybug said "You know your the best kitty noir ever" "You already know your the best partner" "Chat noir, You're irreplaceable" sis was just clowning him, Tbh I think mari is a hypocrite, Now that she told Alya she's ladybug she basically replaced the chat and ladybug duo because mostly all of the episodes in s4 (at the moment) Focuses more on Rena and Ladybug being duos, Chat noir doesn't even look like a Main character anymore, he has less screentime as Adrien and as Chat, They made him look useless, Even carapace looked more useful than chat ! Rena rouge ,ladybug and carapace are basically the new trio now at the ep Optygami, honestly I know Thomas hates Adrien , that's probably why he doesn't give Adrien screen time and when he does, he gives him a useless scene :/ Thx for reading my ted talk
Also Thomas: gives Adrien no development for that reason. But plans to make a comic with teen Gabriel as the protagonist. lol the Adrien slander is horrendous. Although I’m super hyped for the prequel comic.
Also Thomas: gives Adrien no development for that reason. But plans to make a comic with teen Gabriel as the protagonist. lol the Adrien slander is horrendous. Although I’m super hyped for the prequel comic.
This is what i don't understand, like give mari adrien life instead but make her still ladybug. It would make way more sense for her to be the main chacator like her life being unlucky but then she becomes lucky when she is ladybug. It would make mlb world make sense, since ladybug and cat miraculous r suppose to be equal. So adrien having a good life but then some bad luck and mari having a bad life but then good luck.
Adrien's life is like super sad like he lost his mother and in the past he only had Chloe and when you look at Marinette she has a happy life compared to Adrien. Plus Adrien is super kind so he's my fav character.
I not line with you because Adrien is also busy, especially in his normal life, namely fancing, piano, and Chinese. That's not the reason why Marinette is not adrien who is more highlighted
@@michalelkin-bronner13 Marinette’s life is not bad at all. Someone finally knows she’s ladybug and she’s a lot less stressed. Watch once Hawkmoth finds out his own son is Chat Noir. Being Chat Noir can’t bring his mom back. 😭
actually felix is also a huge character in the original ver because his story is that hes not actually in love with her, he just has the "black cat's curse" and only a kiss from ladybug can fix it or smt
Yeah, and because ladybug has the lucky charm hence good luck she is the only one who can take away his bad luck. I know a lot of fans don’t like the idea of a cold, snobbish Adrien, I actually think that version would be really interesting because 1) Felix has his own goal in trying to get Ladybug to kiss him, and bad luck and stuff. Plus his alter ego is a black cat- the symbol for bad luck lol 2) Adrien is… a little too perfect. We mainly see him through Marinette’s eyes, therefore we only see the good parts but not any flaws. Perfect character syndrome is a thing. He’s so nice, almost too nice. But we don’t really know where he gets these qualities from considering his family isn’t the nicest, and we don’t know much about Emilie.
Also every time someone asks Thomas why Adrien isn’t getting as much as attention, he blocks you. I would know. 😭💀 As much as I love women power, I like the power of an EQUAL team more.
@@solsoil As a woman, he is absolutely ridiculous. Feminism = equality between men and women. Right now Astruc is being more favourable to the females in the series, and dismissing the male characters into their stereotypes. Not that he really elaborated much on the females, but still it's a lot more then his mediocre characterisation of the male characters. This includes Adrien/Chat Noir, Luka, Gabriel, Nino, Nathaniel etc.
@@lbell9695 Ikr!! He doesn't understand what it means to be a feminist; besides, people aren't saying Adrien should be the protagonist because they don't like girls.
Please see 💀💀 is this true? Because if so I might as well drop the show. That's so creepy and I already had a feeling about Thomas but what the actually heck
Three characters who actually deserved the spot light was Adrian, Chloe and Kagami. Chloe should have got the redemption arc to become the nice girl she was. Considering that she has the worst parents in the show it would be more inspirational. Kagami should have had an arc where she deals with her strict upbringing. Adrien fighting his own father to save Paris. It's a pity that the show doesn't tap into the potential of these characters
Honestly, Thomas shouldn't be writing this show. He needs to hand someone else the reins because he's not exactly doing a very good job at writing characters.
@@-thewanderer-840 I feel bad for the other creators they work so hard on their work just for it to get thrown away by Thomas. It really sucks cause if Thomas wasn't the writer of the show, *this show would much, much better.*
Is it just me, or does female character are better treated in the case of writing than the male character (not all female character for example Chloe). I mean for example Adrien and Chat Noir (you did a great video at this point) or Nino, he is Adrien`s best friend and we still don`t who his parents are! Or Luka, he is just being the guitar boy or the shoulder for Marinette to cry on ..., like why give those two more depth (II know they are not as important as Adrien but important enough to give them more information or flaws). For the girls a good example is Kagami in Ikari Gozen we got the reason why Kagami is how she is.
ikr. it's like it's *trying to do feminism right* , but they messed it up. Instead of ladybug and cat noir being equal, they made ladybug more powerful, making cat noir the "sidekick". Like what were the writers thinking? And Adrien has gone through so much, I wish he was main character because it would be so much more interesting.
@@kellabdjfoo i know. Feminism isn't where women are more powerful and important to men, it is when women and men feel like they are equal. The "feminism" in season 3, is flawed.
@@sm3675 YES, this is actually why I feel that Steven Universe did a great job with its feminism because although Steven is still the MC, he was raised by feminine-presenting beings with actual distinct personalities that helped shape his own. I also think they nailed the "equal parts of a team" dynamic with Connie, the girl, being the sword/attacker and Steven, the boy, being the shield/protector, without making it feel forced. Of course, maybe the show isn't perfect in terms of story progression, but I'd say the characterization is a 10/10. I'm not exactly trying to promote SU as better by any means, it's more of a "this is what Miraculous could've been if they *had* been balanced enough, in its own way of course"
I actually think Adrien/ Chat Noir is praised more by the fandom than given any flaws. He's basically a Mary Sue at this point since ya know "he can't do no wrong" and "he deserves more credit". He never takes the lead because he actually doesn't enjoy being the centre of attention much, that's how I understand his role. It's just that you see him as someone who deserves the spotlight when it's just a fact that Ladybug is more cleverer than him & he trusts her to be the leader. He's more equal in terms of emotional support which the fandom views as being weak. In the end you guys just end up blinding hating Marinette/ Ladybug for things that she can't control. Only her powers can get things back to normal. He can only destroy, which is bad luck for y'all! Why can't this fandom just give credit where credit is due?
@@quietopinion9637 Ok, but I what meant was that we the fandom do want him in the centre of information but in case of episodes. Usually the episode is in the point of view of Marinette, we just want more episodes in the point of view of Adrien/Chat Noir for example like the episode Lies. In that case we know how he is feeling and he doesn't have to take the role as a leader for that kind of attention.
I personally have a rewrite where both of them get equal treatment and depending on who the episodd is focusing on the intro would change e.g Marinette episode: in the daytime im marinette just s normal girl with a normal life Adrien episode:in the daytime im adrien just a rich boy with a horrible life 😂
I'm fine with Marinette being the main character because I think it's cool that the writers wanted a female superhero protagonist for the younger girls watching the show, but I do agree that her and Adrien's screentime should have been a lot more balanced. Marinette can still have a little more screentime, that's fine, but I think the issue is that Marinette didn't really have enough going on, so after a while her plotlines started getting really repetitive, while Adrian, who has a lot of interesting stuff going on to talk about, never really got talked about it all. I think this is why a lot of fans started to hate Marinette for a while there. She is a really fun and nice character, but when the plot lines got too repetitive, it got really annoying and I guess fans were starting to get tired of her. If Marinette was the major focus of the show (getting like 55-70% of narrative focus), but Adrian got like 30-45% of the focus instead of just like 8%, it would have kept the show feeling more interesting, espcially since Adrien has such an interesting life and background.
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
A good female character is a GOOD WRITTEN character. A woman who can fight for herself, have her own conflicts, opinions, growth as a person, etc etc etc without having to take away the screen time of a male character or put them down or having the show/game/book constantly telling you that she, the female, is better than the male. A good duo of female and male that i think on the top of my head are 2B and 9S from NieR: Automata or (a better example even) Kainé and Nier from NieR: Replicant, BOTH THESE CHARACTERS ARE WELL WRITTEN, HAVING TIME FOR THEM BOTH TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN NARRATIVES AND CONFLICTS WITHOUT TAKING SCREEN TIME FROM ONE ANOTHER. Thomas thinks he's making Marinette one of the best female protags but instead, he's making one of the worst. Thomas should give Miraculous to a better writter.
i wish chat had more than one power tho. like perhaps another luck based thing- having everything go wrong for the villain, making their powers go wrong or even disabling them. let the main two actually be on even standing
honestly cataclysm is the ultimate form of bad luck when you realize that entropy and destruction of all things is caused in quantum mechanics by bad luck quantum particles can be yes and no left or zigzag it is random and while there is some predictability that has been achieved in the wider scheme quantum is luck based . Bu back to your earlier statement honestly the miraculous cure shouldn't just be ladybugs power it should be a shared ability which is why i think that they always have to be activated together cause the Cure destroys the damage done removes the causality of injury and death while creation rebuilds what was lost breathe life back into the lifeless and heals injury done. though i could see black cat healing as well but in a more destructive way after all cauterizing is a method of healing
Fun fact, Cataclysm actually can do that, we saw it in Animan when he messed a bus instead of destroying it and in the episode where they exchanged the miraculous when Marinette tried to use it in a sentimonster, the writers just decided to ignore that he could do that because then he could defeat most enemies by himself with little effort, taking away the spotlight.
Another way they could've done it is have it that the two Miraculous they have are only at their strongest when they combine their powers. As in, have it so they can use combo attacks(which is something they would need to train to be able to pull off). In addition,they could've also had it that the powers they got at the start aren't the only ones and that if they train enough over time they can find creative uses of their powers unlocking new techniques.These tropes are common in shonen and in a show like Miraculous that supposed to have a lot of superhero action,I don't see why it couldn't work there. Tikki and Plagg could handle training in Miraculous magic,while Fu could train them in the responsibilities of being a hero and physical combat.Which would give all three of these characters more of a purpose than they do in canon. The purification ability shouldn't be something only Marinette is able to use,so I have 2 ideas for that. For the first idea,I feel that since the Black Cats powers are focused on Destruction as well as being the equal of the Ladybug,Chat should be able to purify akuma too.The other idea,which I like more,is have the purification ability be the result of the two combining their Miraculous magic to a higher level.This is something that should take a good amount of control and trust in each other.This is supposed to be a show about a superhero DUO,so why is it that none of their attacks emphasize that?
I think I figured out the REAL reason why Felix was scrapped from the show He would literally end the show in one season. Seriously, in 3 (soon to be 4) episodes he pretty much moves the plot forward every time he's onscreen.
I think that Chloe and Adrien can be the head characters They're story's Adrien: His dad is howk moth His Assistant is Mayura His mom was a bad guy He's a superhero Chloe: the mom doesn't love her Sister got her starlight and hero Her dad and ladybug are mad now She isn't friend with Adrien anymore
Nope sorry I agree with you completely besides the part about marionette being a good protagonist, I’ll give her the okay but she is shown to be such a creepy, untrustworthy and disloyal person when it comes to a guy. She treats Chat like shit and tikki, she abandons her friends to break into a guys house and she memorized Adriens schedule and tried to ruin any friendship or relationship he may have with other female characters while Adrien just always wanted to have friends and feel normal. She’s supposed to be a role model for young girls? It would make sense if she faced repercussions for the things she does but she really never does and when she does she’s forgiven like immediately. Being a good fighter and nice design doesn’t make you a good protagonist. Adrien should have 100% been the main character, the serious could have just be called “Miraculous” or “Miraculous Chat” and we would’ve gotten such a great story, with adrien as the focus I wouldn’t hate the protagonist and if you don’t change the marionette plot lines with the way she fights and how she handled things we could’ve had a plot that focuses on BOTH characters giving them equal screen time and equal story. Better yet simply calling it “Miraculous” could suggest there wasn’t only one protagonist and just the two of them as a team, all we have going for marionettes problems are “Oh boohoo the boy I stalk doesn’t love me” and “Boohoo I have to hide who I really” but hello? Adrien goes through the same but but with WAY MORE struggles. It absolutely infuriates the missed potential for this story and characters, I really hope they fix this soon, I wanna love this show.
Hell even Chloe has shown she goes through so much crap in her personal life and could have been taught to be more responsible with her miraculous but no Thomas hate boner for her ruined her writing just like Chat’s. Don’t get me wrong Vesperia is fine but “Buzz off” was literally made to be said by such a sassy and pampered queen bee, it fit to well to be give away to Zoe just because of Thomas. Once again a waste, Zoe could have been her own hero too like she deserves but nope she’s now discount queen bee. Both deserve better. Smh.
@@ShinoriDelfrim Yup.I've said that before too.If the show's director and/or writers weren't going to to treat Mari and Adrien as equally as possible from the start narratively/plot/character-wise, then they should've just not had Adrien at all and had Mari be a solo superhero.From the way the show is,they're already one step away from it anyway.When the show''s subtitle is called 'Tales of Ladybug AND Chat Noir' that has certain expectations.Mainly that Mari and Adrien were both going to be treated as protaganists,not that Mari is the protagonist and Adrien is basically a side character.
Where were you a few months ago. A few I propose the idea of adrien being the better main charater and it didn't go over so well. The story is more based around adrien than marinette but the story actively kicks out adrien and pulls marinette in.
Imagine chloe ACTUALLY having ✨character development✨?!?! Lila could be the mean girl instead (because she actually wants chaos, but chloe on the other hand... she is just broken) that would be my ultimate dream
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
I agree, i think they are underestimating adrien as a character, but also Gabriel, bc both of them are interesting characters, and they deserve more. I think that would make the serie even better. I'm afriad about the s4 is not gonna develop thoose two character. ( i like Marrinette is my third favorite character )
@@miss_chelles1338 one would think the dude got potential for being a good villain with the powers he have... Yet the dude is kinda bad as a villain and not in the good sense.
At least Gabriel is getting a prequel comic with HIM as the central protagonist, compared to Adrien who is getting nothing. But yeah the guys on the show are really sidelined and it’s so bad. Give Gabriel and Adrien some proper development please.
Watching this video made me realise that Marinette is a yandere. She has the characteristics of one! The pictures of their crush all over their room, them knowing where they are every minute of the day, getting jealous very easily and doing their best to get rid of (or eliminate) anybody that gets close to their crush and them constantly thinking that their crush is theirs when they don't even know them that well or don't have the same feelings for the them. I actually think the last thing that Marinette needs to do know is kidnap Adrien and then she'll be a full fledged yandere.
Maybe not call the minor a yandere? But other than that, seeing as how Thomas thinks this behavior is perfectly healthy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he just though Asian girls fighting over a White boy is a dream come true
I agree. Adrien is legit set up in every way to be the Main Protagonist. If the Writers had wanted Marinette to fill that role instead, they should have given her some deeper connection to Master Fu or they should have background-swapped her and Adrien.
Let's all be honest with ourselves: the reason why Adrien isn't the main protagonist is because then there would be no way to make the show for kids. Which is sad.
@•Bun• Sorry, what I meant was that there would be a lot more scenes of emotional abuse. I just kinda didn't want to say that on TH-cam, considering how easily it's triggered. F*ck the algorithm.
I totally agree with this video: adrien's perspective would really add something new to the serie and despite being through a lot himself we never see him deal with his trauma (see for example the episode where he turned into aspic and saw ladybug die countless times) ,contrary to marinette, but it could really add to the serie as a whole
be prepared for a paraghraph with many spelling errors: marinette has got it too good, she lives a happy life with her parents in a bakery des[ite being socially awkward and in love with the model adrien agreste. BUT andiren is chat noir and marinette is ladybug. chat noire isnt a side kick but a partner. Why is it that ladybug must be the holder of the miaculouses? they were both given miraculous on the same day for the same reason, so why does LADYBUG get it all? like knowing almost everyone's identity besides chat noir on the team. getting to chose who's on their team. At this point i really just dislike the show bc marinette is the main character now. I liked it before, when they were partners. cat noir and ladybug against the world. :( i just hate how adrien/ chat noir isnt able to try new miraculouses and give new ones out. although nothing will probaby ever change and marinette will ultimately be superior to cat noir i like to think of cat noir as someone who deserves the spotlight. probably an unpopular opnion.
Why can’t they both be the guardians too? Like you said, they were both given their miraculous’ on the same day and if they are both guardians, they can share the job and both won’t be too stressed.
Marinette has always been at the forefront of the show. Since season 1. Adrien comes right after. Ladybug is the guardian because Master fu made it so, between Marinette & Adrien who do you think would have more time to spare to learn about the miraculous? Adrien is always on a constant tight schedule and is only free for the little time that he's Cat Noir or recreational purposes. Master Fu had to lie his way into Adrien's home to give him the miraculous power ups. You know Gabriel isn't an easy man. Fu knows & trusts Mari very well, that's why she is guardian. Now it's up to Mari to tell him the secrets of the miraculous, but where would they discuss such things? Especially under the constant watch of Shadowmoth and she can't take him to her house either.
@@gigib.354 Realize that Adriens father is always occupied as well. If you’re going to call it Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir then treat them the same. They both should have been guardians. That would make the show even more interesting. They’re both the main protagonists. They BOTH have and always should have been the forefront of the show. Again I wish Adrien was the main character. 🤷♀️
Yet people call him blind for calling marinette a friend. Actually, I think it should stay that way; Marinette and Adrien just staying friends forever. Because if they get together, it would be a toxic ship.
Yeah, Adrien barely got screentime in season 4, he was practically replaced by rena furtive. Yet he's the best character in the show. He has such an eventful life and backstory with a villainous father, had to stay home his life, and with his mother in a coma in his basement without him ever knowing. He's so fascinating and interesting... Marinette's life is just simple and basic, not very eventful, so it becomes boring. Reasons I hate Marinette: 1) She stalks Adrien 2) She steals (she stole adriens phone in copycat) 3) She breaks into houses for her own gain (in chat blanc) 4) In puppeteer 2, she took a hair from adriens head and put it into her purse- I- 5) She has Adrien's schedule on her wall (she knows what he does everyday as adrien, its creepy) 6) She does way more creepy things. She legit smelled Adriens pillow and laid on his bed and snuck around his room (in chat blanc) 7) Not to mention she uses her miraculous for her needs and personal stuff at times just for her own gain, in Chat Blanc for example. Yet the entire fandom normalizes the things she does and hates Adrien for doing just one thing; all he does is call Marinette a friend. smh people nowadays its gotten too far. Plus, she gives out miraculous like candy. People say she truly loves Adrien for himself, but shes an obsess girl. She also likes Adrien for his perfection and perfect side, like all other girls that simp for him. When Adrien is his true self (as Chat Noir), Marinette/Ladybug sees him as a pig, he she doesn't love him for his true self. Period.
@bluuu..😊💙 When I first started watching miraculous, in origins for example, that's the type of Marinette there should be. But after season 4 and 3, I absolutely despised her. I know right? to think this mess was made from kind adrien giving mar- ugh i cant even type out her name- the stalker an umbrella.
Honestly, a lot of the poor writing just stems from Thomas’s personal…..interests. Particularly with Asian(fetishization) Like the whole “mysterious Chinese magic” thing sounds good to him, when in reality it’s just a very superficial and westernized take on Chinese culture. I think that’s why a lot of the White characters in this show seem to have a better grasp of Chinese culture and language than uh, Yknow, the main protagonist who is of Chinese heritage And that’s mainly why the characters’ development suffers. I’m convinced Adrien is also another one of Thomas’s self-inserts where it’s seen as a good thing to have all these Asian girls chase over this White boy. It’s also good Adrien as Chat Noir never gives up on his advances cuz he’s a nice boy right? He shouldn’t respect his crush’s wishes and remain friends, she’ll come around eventually. If Thomas can so boldly base a married couple of himself and his EX, I’m convinced he was very pushy in the relationship
It’s been three years since this video was made and it STILL stands true. With the end of season 5, Amelie is back as well as Natalie, plus the fact that Felix, Kagami, and Marinette now also know that Adrien is a (implied) sentimonster and he doesn’t know himself. With amount of power of the Family rings that gave him, and he doesn’t even know it! Someone HAS to tell him and this will hopefully give him more depth and screentime
Thank god finally someone I can stand behind! in my mind, Adrien should have been the protagonist.1 imaging how someone would react if they found out their parent the person they trust(Adrien so oblivious)is a villain.2 I find it crazy that Marinette is supposed to be this normal girl when she is constantly around famous people, Adrien would fit this so much better. A famous boy with a famous dad would obviously be around famous people as well as many others things. Chloe should have been his love interest instead(before yall Adrienette fans come for me hear me out)1 Marinette is a creepy obsessed fan. She doesn't really treat him like an actual person, more like how some crazy fans treat the idol they love (also she broke into his house, stalks him, and don't get me started on the mannequin episode 0~o if this doesn't scream crazy fan I don't know what does. ) 2 With the fact that both of them have a past history with each other could have been nice to see him a Chloe rebuild their relationship. I imagined it as Chloe comes back to town and acts all mean and stuff making Adrien feel like he doesn't know her anymore, making him not only have to relearn stuff about her but also him creating a new relationship with her, and the same thing goes for Chloe.
Thomas Astruc knows that he did a better job developing chloe than marinette and since the protagonist is his favourite he decided to throw away the very well done development of chloe so marinette could still have all the reflectors and same with adrien. It's the only logical reason I found
I have only one thing to say: This show needs good writing. OK FINE, I'VE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY (no need to read this long-ass comment): Adrien would've been a better protagonist because: He is more interesting. He is fighting against his own father. The tension. It's not only because Adrien has a much more sadder life that Marinette (I'm not saying Marinette's life is easy) but also because it can get the viewers more interested and feel, um, excited? Like mostly people are waiting for the reveal but ALMOST no one thought about Adrien's fight against his father. Because we are seeing Marinette's perspective. We are seeing her get heartbroken as Adrien friendzones her (tbh I am sort of relieved he does becoz who da faq stalks their crush? Especially a 14 - 16 year old) but some of the fandom don't care about what Adrien is facing. Now the fandom (not the whole fandom) is waking up to Adrien's problems as the series progresses. True, Marinette is learning her mistakes, but mostly because of TIKKI. (I'm not saying always because of tikki, but most of the times) Tikki always gives Marinette advice and that's how Marinette learns her mistake. A true learning happens when someone experiences it completely (according to me). For example, Chloe learnt in episode Queen Wasp- (ok I don't remember what she learnt) learnt something from one whole episode! (but then thomas decided to hate chloe, jeez, he's favouritizing his characters like they are 'REAL') Marinette on the other hand- learns from tikki in just a few seconds. And she never gets the consequences. Instead, she gets a REWARD. A REWARD! Like in the episode Copycat, she stole Adrien's phone because she thought that she would go to jail and Adrien would hate her and then as she put the phone in Adrien's bag without confessing that she stole the phone, she gets a reward to go to the movies with Adrien and Alya and Nino. (Seriously, Adrien and Mari could've talked it out if Mari didn't delete the message!) She committed a crime (she committed a crime many times, like the time in Oni-chan, she tried to get up to Adrien's house by climbing the wall, becoz Lila went with Adrien, and then the firefighter helped her later. Like wtf!?) Whereas Adrien, faced the consequences. For example, in the episode Volpina, he stole Gabriel's book, and then got grounded because of it. Marinette also can sometimes come off rude. Just saying- And for the people who disagree, this video is SOLID proof. (also there are other videos explaining on this similar topic) Btw, I don't hate Mari I just sometimes find her annoying.
I agree apparently the show is about feminism but it really isn't in reality because she keeps bringing men down and making them seem irrelevant when they all have better lives than her and more interesting backstories
The problem isn't with Marinette. The problem is with how the writers use their screen time. Adrien isn't given much narrative and so, Marinette has to fill up in his absence, which is why I think people don't like her a lot.
Yeah, it also becomes quite clear some fans recognize (some don't care) that the show is (unfairly, whether she's the protagonist or not) centered almost entirely around Marinette/LB because, the nickname for the show is literally "Miraculous *Ladybug",* when it's already shortened as "Miraculous".
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
@@slevinchannel7589 Yess, exactly. And it's the people like that, that always makes supporting groups look bad. I'm not a feminist, but I doubt I would feel any different about the show if I were.
Even if one of the seasons was seen through Adrien's eyes only, and the other 6 through Marinette's eyes, it would bring forth far more to the table, to expand on the storytelling.
When I think about Thomas writing the show I think about him sitting in his desk drinking thinking about how his life sucks so much and how he wished that he can just figure out what everyone else is up to and then boom that creates Marinette the stalker the person who gets more screen time than everybody else in the show and I think he might have a crush on his own character because there's no way he loves Marinette that character so much to the point where he does not give a crap about any other character
Season 3 ruined Gabriel. Him begging Adrien to transform into Chat, not for the miraculous but just for his own safety was the most powerful scene in the series. And then Chat Blanc happened. Which I like the episode. In a vacuum. But it literally destroyed Gabriel's character and makes moving the series forward towards this inevitable relationship super sus. Like contrivance is our only option.
I agree we need more content of Adrien being the center of the story for a little bit. Narratively, MOST IF NOT ALL OF MIRACULOUS'S STORY IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF HIS DAD TRYING TO SAVE HIS MOM!!! And we know next to nothing about Adrien or the Agreste Family, for that matter. We don't know why Gabriel and Emilie were in Tibet, where they found the miraculous Nuroo and Dusuu; we don't know what compelled them to use the miraculouses in the first place. We don't know anything about why Emilie is the love of his life that Gabriel is willing to burn the world down for her - before they turned him into a generic "I want power" villain. (Side note: My current head cannon is that Emilie is built to be this perfect person only to be really horrible and controlling. I know it is cliche, but there is not much about her, so I am going for it till otherwise). Heck, there is so much discourse now because we do not know much about Adrien to determine if he is actually human because of the Senti- monster discussion since we barely get time to see how he feels about his past or family memories and just that he is upset all the time at home. Now, this is not to knock Adrien. I love this precious cinnamon roll, but I think we need more time for us as an audience that is supposed to care about the characters - like Marinette - and her relationship with Adrien; we need to see what makes Adrien a great person - or determine if he even is a person. And the excuse of "Oh, he is a nice guy with little flaws because he is that perfect" makes it harder for people to stay interested in the romance for long. Let alone long enough to keep the "Will they Won't they" trope going if there are not more scenes showing both sides of the relationship coming to that moment of "I might like this person" naturally and having time for the show to explore it. Sorry for the rant, but I have been battling my feelings for Miraculous for a while. And this helped a lot. Good video as well!
ya there is so little of Adrien that Senti-Adrien is a strong possibility though most likely not ever to be actual cannon cause that would be above the writing style of this show
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
lore: Chat Noir and ladybug are equals one cant be complete without the other. the show: chat noir is almost irrelevant and is kept in the dark about most things regarding the miraculous.
I don't watch MLB but I have watched some episode and well, as you said, is all over the intertnet. So I watched this xD I'm suscribed now because I like your ideas/Analysis~ let's see what you bring to the table next time xdxd
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
I would also love to see episodes from Adrien's point of view because the Agreste family drama is way more interesting and crucial to the plot, but because of those exact same reasons, we won't get as much of it because of the drawn out pace they are taking the show. They want us to feel bad for Adrien that's literally half of the show's purpose.
Easy rewrite there a three hero’s Ladybug, Cat Noir, and Queen Bee Queen bee came in later and her hero is lady bug but she slowly she’s her flaws and how she really doesn’t treat cat noir that well maybe she ends up going solo or returning the miraculous witch either gives us a anti hero a look into other perspectives and seeing that lady bug isn’t perfect
I 100% agree that Adrien should be the main protagonist of the cartoon. And we did already have an anime based off Marinette. BUT- Imagine this being a 2 series all because Adrien CAN'T do anything during the "Fill In" episodes/times where they do absolutely nothing and make no plot.
Just writing down an idea before I lose it. Wouldn’t it be cool if Chloe’s arc was done well so we got to see a rift in Mari and Adrian’s relationship from Chloe and Adrian becoming close again. Marinette might think Adrian likes Chloe or is at least becoming more distant from her. This could go many ways. Marinette could get jealous like she did with Lila and yell at Chloe, turning the team against her and making Chloe question her position and value to those on the team and those around her. Maybe even get akumitized. Marinette could get uncomfortable around Chloe and start avoiding times with her friends when Chloe and Adrian are together, or avoid calling her when they need her help as Ladybug, jeopardizing their mission. Or one of my favorite possibilities. Marinette begins talking to Chat about this “mystery boy” that Matu feels is sooo unobtainable, making her and Chat friends or more, maybe even reversing the love square! 🤩 There was sooo much potential with Chloe. WHYYYYYYYYYY DID THEY HAVE TO RUIN IT! 😵
Chloe wasn’t born mean, people aren’t born mean. The only reason people are mean is because they are sad inside. People aren’t born sad, WE, the people around them make them sad. Chloe was never bitten by a radioactive dandelion. Plus, dandelions are actually used to treat people with heart problems, dandelions are not jerks.
I would’ve liked to see Gabriel decent into madness as the series went on. Starting the series being caring to what he still has and ending it felling Adrian, and Nathalie, and everyone who still cares about him is only i. The way of his goal to bring back Emile.
I thought Felix would have the same backstory as Adrien (cuz it seemed like he would) but instead of being a kind guy he would actually display elements of trauma and his black cat persona would allow him to express emotions & be free in ways he wouldn’t be allowed to in real life. That split is what actually made me interested in the show to begin with. So when they dropped Felix, I wasn’t too into the series a whole afterwards
I know that one day we will look back at the show once it is done and realize how bad it is but the idea of it so good. I mean most of us are realizing before or now. But realize who should’ve been the main character and that was Adrien
Although the show is about feminism it's not at all feminism if you think about it: She brings down men's problems and solutions and makes it all about herself and how she can fix problems for example when chat noi r ever has a solution to something ladybug always has to make up her own plan as if she can only do it not even letting chat noir give any ideas not to also mention that ladybug is completely rude and disrespectful towards chat noir Whenever chat makes a mistake she always has to make him feel bad about it for example in the ny special she blamed chat for being in New York when he didn't even know know he was going to be there and along the lines of "I don't even know if I can trust you!" When it isn't his fault he couldn't press the button because it's for emergencies and she could've de transformed by now so there was no other way in telling her he really didn't want to let her down and make her not trust him he just wanted to be appreciated for once since he barely gets well treated in his home knowing he cant go anywhere with out his bodyguard and he never spends time with his dad although marinette is the guardian she should'nt be acting as if her life is so much harder I mean it is quite hard for a teenager but adriens life he had been isolated in his home,never made other friends (other than chloe),has his mother in a coma,doesn't spend time with his dad,lost a relationship with his kagami,is never allowed to go anywhere with out his bodyguard and models basically everyday,gets emotionally abused by his father and formal superhero partner
Literally all the characters need development They all have perfect base personalities, hence why they were fine in like the first few episodes featuring them in the first season. After that? You need to actually develop them. And Thomas is just stuck Chloe probably had the most dramatic change, but I guess Thomas has some vendetta against her so he made her completely revert back and replace her with a random step sibling, which we don’t really hear how that makes anyone feel. Adrien is meh, like Marinette. They’re core personalities are just “try to woo the one I love” and just not bothering to check their own creepy behaviors on the matter. And it’s weird because they seesaw on this idea that they move on, but they don’t. And the thing is, they don’t really like each other’s different personalities. We are on season 4 I think? Adrien doesn’t show having a hint of a crush on Marinette and Ladybug is the same with Chat Noir? Wouldn’t it make sense to have them be intrigued with their alter egos? Sure their friends, but they make it clear they aren’t attracted to each other. Just the idolized versions. Which is fine in the beginning, but this many seasons in? There needs to be something different As for the other characters? Honestly they aren’t heard of until the plot needs them(and even then, they might be forgotten). Now would Adrien make a better MC? Honestly, no. The angst and drama in his story is just typical for any lancer character, which is what Adrien is.
I feel like they should have switched perspectives per season it would just make sense for the storyline to me or at least have a season out of the 4 so far for a focus on him and the rest for her
This is a pretty good video. But if you're going to use footage from JelloApocalpyse's "This Is Basically" series that can be see at 2:04 and 2:49, you should at least credit him at the bottom.
Adrien Agreste, i'm sure he should made a better protagonist than Marinette : if it was already made a series with Adrien Agreste : He would have been more open and understanding with others, more intelligent (Adrien certainly has the same father, who is the Papillon the villain of the story and his deceased mother, but he has a close friend Chloé Bourgeois who would be nicer and disinterested in material things and I would see her more as Kagami, affection level and she would have helped Adrien to overcome his shyness and to get closer to Marinette Dupain-Cheng, of whom Chloe would also be the best friend. He has doubts about Ladybug's identity, without telling Marinette, but Adrien would have suspected that she is Ladybug because of her physical features. In addition Adrien would already be in love with Marinette but that this one would not be awkward nor in-love-psycho of him, but rather friendly, shy and sweet, friend with Sabrina, Alya and especially Chloe. and she would rather date Nath, who was a better rival to Adrien than Luka. Luka Couffaine would not be a twin, but Juleka's older brother, and he and Chloe would experience a romance outside of college because Luka is a 16-year-old high school. As for Chloé, she has a 17-year-old biological sister named Clotilde Bourgeois, but under the pseudonym of Zoé Lee, as a stage name, adoring the cinema and they both love each other. Miraculous Chat Noir would be an even better show!)
I agree with ophelia, there's danganronpa and most of the focus was everyone against monokuma, and they didn't focus all the time on yasuhiro or genocide Jack, or maybe even winx club, the main focus of the show was uncovering blooms past, and they didn't just focus on one character, it focused on a lot of people because bloom and her friends were in on helping bloom as much as they could, they didn't focus on irrelevant characters and they didn't just focus on only one character at a time, id say that both adrian and marinette should both be protagonists, and just before you go and say "you can't have two protagonists" lemme hold yo horses, take a look at paper mario the thousand year door, there's literally 3, and i mean 3 protagonists, still not convinced? Well ima give you 3 more examples, 1, gravity falls 2, danganronpa V3 and 3, danganronpa 2 Im saying that you can switch protagonists to get different prospectives, lets say season 1 was marinette's prospective and season 2 was adrian's perspective, you can literally switch between protags to get different perspectives to get different view points
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
Let’s see Mari vs Adrain, Mari has both her parents and she’s boring the only thing she does is stalk people and it’s just boring and scary, Adrain, His mom is dead, His dad is a mean person and is a villain
I'm glad Adrien isn't the main protagonist in my opinion. I still like him as the protagonist and I love seeing his character, but at the same time I can relate to Marinette more. I was bullied at a young age so when I saw the "Origins episode" it made me like Marinette even more. I also tend to think I'm not good enough when it comes to certain things. I started doing Fandubs about a 1 year ago and the show has really helped me. I want to become a Voice Actress when I grow up. The Miraculous team does such a good job and they deserve more credit. What I want to see for S4 is more Cat Noir and Marinette moments. That's what I really liked about S3.
@@ihavenoideawhatimdoing4 no I can't relate to being toxic. I'm just saying some of the things Marinette does a can relate to because I've had to go through the same things in my life.
Those Authors are Weird-Heads. They have some literal Problems that flow into this. Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making, it shows. The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows. 'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS. This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
Marinette is an ordinary girl yes
Parents own a famous bakery, is friends with a rich model, babysits for the most renowned news reporter in the city, is a great artist, a gifted gamer, loved by everyone, has a friendship with an international rockstar, her bully is the mayor's kid...
Every girl I know.
I agree 👍💯👏
if adrien was MC the show has ended till now, now their focusing Marinette because she is a normal human. understood!!
@@zerotwo88 what
@@IceFireofVoid if they focused on adrien more they would not be questions like what happened to his mom or and how peacock miraculous broke, then the series would be boring
she also lives in paris’ 16th arrondissement which is like the most expensive area of paris to live in. no wonder she goes to the same school as the mayor’s daughter
If Adrien had been the protagonist, everyone probably would’ve hated Marinette lmao
most of the fandom (including me) already hate her lmao
@@kellabdjfoo she liretly is just a character do you should not hate her
@@michalelkin-bronner13 Uhhh, I don't understand your logic. Of course some people would hate your or my favorite character. People had opinions
@@michalelkin-bronner13 uh i'm a human being, i have opinions. i hate marinette. she sabotages and stalks people. she sniffed adrien's pillow and broke in his room. she's kissed him while he was pretending to be a statue. she's creepy and weird and doesn't deserve fans. i'm not going to apologize for the show's bad writing. i'm not going to apologize for hating her.
@@kellabdjfoo so what she is just a character and she is also realy nice at the same time and she odss not do that anymore
THIS! a good amount of the plot revolves around the Agreste family and Adrien's life just seems a lot more interesting than Marinettes. I hope in season 4, we have more Adrien focused episodes.
Unless he develops and becomes less passive I can't see Adrien centric episodes as interesting. He's just the same old oh woe is me Ladybug can't love meeee both characters need equal development not just one & he has had episodes about himself actually.
Sorry to disappoint you, but we don’t, unless you count Lies which is pretty much for reusing animation, and Chat... nope, he’s mostly (as usual) either sacrificing himself for Ladybug or getting attacked by the villain and having no actual use for the battle or the episode except being Marinette’s love interest, which is pretty boring, if you ask me. If they add another video of no Chat, I swear I’m gonna stop watching the series unless he plays a important role (or Kagami, Chloe as nice, Zoe and Chloe, or Alix)
I came from the future and its seriously horrible! The one time Adrien gets recognition is at the ep "Lies" then after that ep the upcoming episodes barely even show Adrien, (SPOILER) after mari told alya That she was ladybug it made chat noir Look useless BC remember when Ladybug said "You know your the best kitty noir ever" "You already know your the best partner" "Chat noir, You're irreplaceable" sis was just clowning him, Tbh I think mari is a hypocrite, Now that she told Alya she's ladybug she basically replaced the chat and ladybug duo because mostly all of the episodes in s4 (at the moment) Focuses more on Rena and Ladybug being duos, Chat noir doesn't even look like a Main character anymore, he has less screentime as Adrien and as Chat, They made him look useless, Even carapace looked more useful than chat ! Rena rouge ,ladybug and carapace are basically the new trio now at the ep Optygami, honestly I know Thomas hates Adrien , that's probably why he doesn't give Adrien screen time and when he does, he gives him a useless scene :/
Thx for reading my ted talk
@@quietopinion9637 just say u dont like adrien
@@quietopinion9637 cause what u are saying???! Is nonsense
Fans: Give Adrien some narrative.
Thomas: But he's a boy tho.
Then he should make a gender-bent version.
Also Thomas: gives Adrien no development for that reason. But plans to make a comic with teen Gabriel as the protagonist.
lol the Adrien slander is horrendous. Although I’m super hyped for the prequel comic.
Also Thomas: gives Adrien no development for that reason. But plans to make a comic with teen Gabriel as the protagonist.
lol the Adrien slander is horrendous. Although I’m super hyped for the prequel comic.
This is what i don't understand, like give mari adrien life instead but make her still ladybug. It would make way more sense for her to be the main chacator like her life being unlucky but then she becomes lucky when she is ladybug. It would make mlb world make sense, since ladybug and cat miraculous r suppose to be equal. So adrien having a good life but then some bad luck and mari having a bad life but then good luck.
@@khushimodi5264 that’s actually a really cool concept
Adrien's life is like super sad like he lost his mother and in the past he only had Chloe and when you look at Marinette she has a happy life compared to Adrien. Plus Adrien is super kind so he's my fav character.
Mari has a bad life to she has a busy life because she is ladybug and the gurdrain adrien superhero life makes his trbile life good
I not line with you because Adrien is also busy, especially in his normal life, namely fancing, piano, and Chinese. That's not the reason why Marinette is not adrien who is more highlighted
@@michalelkin-bronner13I agree and disagree. The previous they should've focused on adrien
@BerryTea SERUOUSLY!? I WANT TO SEE MORE ADRIEN!
WHY THOMAS, WHYYYY??!!!
@@michalelkin-bronner13 Marinette’s life is not bad at all. Someone finally knows she’s ladybug and she’s a lot less stressed. Watch once Hawkmoth finds out his own son is Chat Noir. Being Chat Noir can’t bring his mom back. 😭
actually felix is also a huge character in the original ver because his story is that hes not actually in love with her, he just has the "black cat's curse" and only a kiss from ladybug can fix it or smt
I've been trying to find the original for so long-
@@ragooable the original version was just an idea! they never released any episodes.
@@mmelikeis ohh
Yeah, and because ladybug has the lucky charm hence good luck she is the only one who can take away his bad luck. I know a lot of fans don’t like the idea of a cold, snobbish Adrien, I actually think that version would be really interesting because 1) Felix has his own goal in trying to get Ladybug to kiss him, and bad luck and stuff. Plus his alter ego is a black cat- the symbol for bad luck lol 2) Adrien is… a little too perfect. We mainly see him through Marinette’s eyes, therefore we only see the good parts but not any flaws. Perfect character syndrome is a thing. He’s so nice, almost too nice. But we don’t really know where he gets these qualities from considering his family isn’t the nicest, and we don’t know much about Emilie.
@@oliviac295 I agree 👍💯👏
Also every time someone asks Thomas why Adrien isn’t getting as much as attention, he blocks you. I would know. 😭💀
As much as I love women power, I like the power of an EQUAL team more.
The worst thing is that the show gives the message that women only can have power at the expense of men.
it's cause he "a feminist"
and calls himself a person that's not "sexist"
@@solsoil As a woman, he is absolutely ridiculous. Feminism = equality between men and women. Right now Astruc is being more favourable to the females in the series, and dismissing the male characters into their stereotypes. Not that he really elaborated much on the females, but still it's a lot more then his mediocre characterisation of the male characters. This includes Adrien/Chat Noir, Luka, Gabriel, Nino, Nathaniel etc.
@@lbell9695 Ikr!! He doesn't understand what it means to be a feminist; besides, people aren't saying Adrien should be the protagonist because they don't like girls.
True
The interesting character is never the main character 🤣 love the video 👍
only to you
@@quietopinion9637 it's true accept
@bill gates well said
@bill gates Not everyone in the fandom agree's I find him generic as hellll
@@quietopinion9637 personally to me he’s one of the most well written characters In that show he has an interesting life and Story-
WAIT! So he views her as her “virtual child” but is completely fine with his main storyboard artist drawing porn of her?
Yup. Creepy red flags everywhere in regards to the staff behind this Miraculous shit-show
Please see 💀💀 is this true? Because if so I might as well drop the show. That's so creepy and I already had a feeling about Thomas but what the actually heck
@@lemonsweets220 it's true. I've seen the drawings. Theyve been archived from a staff's twitter account
WHAT😨😨😨
Wait what that happened what the hell
Three characters who actually deserved the spot light was Adrian, Chloe and Kagami.
Chloe should have got the redemption arc to become the nice girl she was. Considering that she has the worst parents in the show it would be more inspirational.
Kagami should have had an arc where she deals with her strict upbringing.
Adrien fighting his own father to save Paris.
It's a pity that the show doesn't tap into the potential of these characters
I know a TH-cam channel that agrees with you very much
@@qcq1814 Which TH-cam channel is it?
Honestly, Thomas shouldn't be writing this show. He needs to hand someone else the reins because he's not exactly doing a very good job at writing characters.
like someone who wrote those episodes of Chloe's changes before it went down the drain.
@@-thewanderer-840 I feel bad for the other creators they work so hard on their work just for it to get thrown away by Thomas. It really sucks cause if Thomas wasn't the writer of the show, *this show would much, much better.*
Is it just me, or does female character are better treated in the case of writing than the male character (not all female character for example Chloe). I mean for example Adrien and Chat Noir (you did a great video at this point) or Nino, he is Adrien`s best friend and we still don`t who his parents are! Or Luka, he is just being the guitar boy or the shoulder for Marinette to cry on ..., like why give those two more depth (II know they are not as important as Adrien but important enough to give them more information or flaws). For the girls a good example is Kagami in Ikari Gozen we got the reason why Kagami is how she is.
ikr. it's like it's *trying to do feminism right* , but they messed it up. Instead of ladybug and cat noir being equal, they made ladybug more powerful, making cat noir the "sidekick". Like what were the writers thinking? And Adrien has gone through so much, I wish he was main character because it would be so much more interesting.
@@kellabdjfoo i know. Feminism isn't where women are more powerful and important to men, it is when women and men feel like they are equal. The "feminism" in season 3, is flawed.
@@sm3675 YES, this is actually why I feel that Steven Universe did a great job with its feminism because although Steven is still the MC, he was raised by feminine-presenting beings with actual distinct personalities that helped shape his own. I also think they nailed the "equal parts of a team" dynamic with Connie, the girl, being the sword/attacker and Steven, the boy, being the shield/protector, without making it feel forced. Of course, maybe the show isn't perfect in terms of story progression, but I'd say the characterization is a 10/10.
I'm not exactly trying to promote SU as better by any means, it's more of a "this is what Miraculous could've been if they *had* been balanced enough, in its own way of course"
I actually think Adrien/ Chat Noir is praised more by the fandom than given any flaws. He's basically a Mary Sue at this point since ya know "he can't do no wrong" and "he deserves more credit". He never takes the lead because he actually doesn't enjoy being the centre of attention much, that's how I understand his role. It's just that you see him as someone who deserves the spotlight when it's just a fact that Ladybug is more cleverer than him & he trusts her to be the leader. He's more equal in terms of emotional support which the fandom views as being weak. In the end you guys just end up blinding hating Marinette/ Ladybug for things that she can't control. Only her powers can get things back to normal. He can only destroy, which is bad luck for y'all! Why can't this fandom just give credit where credit is due?
@@quietopinion9637 Ok, but I what meant was that we the fandom do want him in the centre of information but in case of episodes. Usually the episode is in the point of view of Marinette, we just want more episodes in the point of view of Adrien/Chat Noir for example like the episode Lies. In that case we know how he is feeling and he doesn't have to take the role as a leader for that kind of attention.
I personally have a rewrite where both of them get equal treatment and depending on who the episodd is focusing on the intro would change e.g
Marinette episode: in the daytime im marinette just s normal girl with a normal life
Adrien episode:in the daytime im adrien just a rich boy with a horrible life
😂
Wow 👏😮that's so cool
I'm fine with Marinette being the main character because I think it's cool that the writers wanted a female superhero protagonist for the younger girls watching the show, but I do agree that her and Adrien's screentime should have been a lot more balanced. Marinette can still have a little more screentime, that's fine, but I think the issue is that Marinette didn't really have enough going on, so after a while her plotlines started getting really repetitive, while Adrian, who has a lot of interesting stuff going on to talk about, never really got talked about it all. I think this is why a lot of fans started to hate Marinette for a while there. She is a really fun and nice character, but when the plot lines got too repetitive, it got really annoying and I guess fans were starting to get tired of her. If Marinette was the major focus of the show (getting like 55-70% of narrative focus), but Adrian got like 30-45% of the focus instead of just like 8%, it would have kept the show feeling more interesting, espcially since Adrien has such an interesting life and background.
Exactly!!!
@@adriada2428 I agree 👍💯👏
Eh, I hate her more for being creepy than anything else
I would be fine if they didn't make such a good character The side kick, ¿Why was it so hard to make him less interesting? 🤣
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
A good female character is a GOOD WRITTEN character. A woman who can fight for herself, have her own conflicts, opinions, growth as a person, etc etc etc without having to take away the screen time of a male character or put them down or having the show/game/book constantly telling you that she, the female, is better than the male. A good duo of female and male that i think on the top of my head are 2B and 9S from NieR: Automata or (a better example even) Kainé and Nier from NieR: Replicant, BOTH THESE CHARACTERS ARE WELL WRITTEN, HAVING TIME FOR THEM BOTH TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN NARRATIVES AND CONFLICTS WITHOUT TAKING SCREEN TIME FROM ONE ANOTHER.
Thomas thinks he's making Marinette one of the best female protags but instead, he's making one of the worst.
Thomas should give Miraculous to a better writter.
But the writers say “No.”
good
Fandom: WHY
@@quietopinion9637 are you okay?
@@ghostphira8712 I hope not-
@@quietopinion9637 LMAO WHY ARE YOU SO PRESSED
I think you should write a fanfiction of Adrien being the main character
YES
@@Debasmitamandal-fi9rs that would be wonderful ✋🙂😊
There's atleast a spinoff close to that..
..... Scarlet Lady
@@ChimeraLotietheBunny Scarlet lady? Wot's dat?
I'm actually planning on writing a rewrite for the show with Adrien being the main character.
This actually make sense. Who else wanted Adrien to fight his Father?
i wish chat had more than one power tho.
like perhaps another luck based thing- having everything go wrong for the villain, making their powers go wrong or even disabling them. let the main two actually be on even standing
Yeah that would be awesome ✋🙂👌
honestly cataclysm is the ultimate form of bad luck when you realize that entropy and destruction of all things is caused in quantum mechanics by bad luck quantum particles can be yes and no left or zigzag it is random and while there is some predictability that has been achieved in the wider scheme quantum is luck based . Bu back to your earlier statement honestly the miraculous cure shouldn't just be ladybugs power it should be a shared ability which is why i think that they always have to be activated together cause the Cure destroys the damage done removes the causality of injury and death while creation rebuilds what was lost breathe life back into the lifeless and heals injury done. though i could see black cat healing as well but in a more destructive way after all cauterizing is a method of healing
Fun fact, Cataclysm actually can do that, we saw it in Animan when he messed a bus instead of destroying it and in the episode where they exchanged the miraculous when Marinette tried to use it in a sentimonster, the writers just decided to ignore that he could do that because then he could defeat most enemies by himself with little effort, taking away the spotlight.
Another way they could've done it is have it that the two Miraculous they have are only at their strongest when they combine their powers. As in, have it so they can use combo attacks(which is something they would need to train to be able to pull off). In addition,they could've also had it that the powers they got at the start aren't the only ones and that if they train enough over time they can find creative uses of their powers unlocking new techniques.These tropes are common in shonen and in a show like Miraculous that supposed to have a lot of superhero action,I don't see why it couldn't work there.
Tikki and Plagg could handle training in Miraculous magic,while Fu could train them in the responsibilities of being a hero and physical combat.Which would give all three of these characters more of a purpose than they do in canon.
The purification ability shouldn't be something only Marinette is able to use,so I have 2 ideas for that. For the first idea,I feel that since the Black Cats powers are focused on Destruction as well as being the equal of the Ladybug,Chat should be able to purify akuma too.The other idea,which I like more,is have the purification ability be the result of the two combining their Miraculous magic to a higher level.This is something that should take a good amount of control and trust in each other.This is supposed to be a show about a superhero DUO,so why is it that none of their attacks emphasize that?
I think I figured out the REAL reason why Felix was scrapped from the show
He would literally end the show in one season. Seriously, in 3 (soon to be 4) episodes he pretty much moves the plot forward every time he's onscreen.
I think that Chloe and Adrien can be the head characters
They're story's
Adrien: His dad is howk moth
His Assistant is Mayura
His mom was a bad guy
He's a superhero
Chloe: the mom doesn't love her
Sister got her starlight and hero
Her dad and ladybug are mad now
She isn't friend with Adrien anymore
Nope sorry I agree with you completely besides the part about marionette being a good protagonist, I’ll give her the okay but she is shown to be such a creepy, untrustworthy and disloyal person when it comes to a guy. She treats Chat like shit and tikki, she abandons her friends to break into a guys house and she memorized Adriens schedule and tried to ruin any friendship or relationship he may have with other female characters while Adrien just always wanted to have friends and feel normal. She’s supposed to be a role model for young girls? It would make sense if she faced repercussions for the things she does but she really never does and when she does she’s forgiven like immediately. Being a good fighter and nice design doesn’t make you a good protagonist.
Adrien should have 100% been the main character, the serious could have just be called “Miraculous” or “Miraculous Chat” and we would’ve gotten such a great story, with adrien as the focus I wouldn’t hate the protagonist and if you don’t change the marionette plot lines with the way she fights and how she handled things we could’ve had a plot that focuses on BOTH characters giving them equal screen time and equal story.
Better yet simply calling it “Miraculous” could suggest there wasn’t only one protagonist and just the two of them as a team, all we have going for marionettes problems are “Oh boohoo the boy I stalk doesn’t love me” and “Boohoo I have to hide who I really” but hello? Adrien goes through the same but but with WAY MORE struggles.
It absolutely infuriates the missed potential for this story and characters, I really hope they fix this soon, I wanna love this show.
Hell even Chloe has shown she goes through so much crap in her personal life and could have been taught to be more responsible with her miraculous but no Thomas hate boner for her ruined her writing just like Chat’s. Don’t get me wrong Vesperia is fine but “Buzz off” was literally made to be said by such a sassy and pampered queen bee, it fit to well to be give away to Zoe just because of Thomas. Once again a waste, Zoe could have been her own hero too like she deserves but nope she’s now discount queen bee. Both deserve better. Smh.
@@jackphoto8816 yeah I agree 👍👌💯
If they weren’t gonna make them equals to begin with they honestly should’ve just called it ‘Miraculous’
@@ShinoriDelfrim Yup.I've said that before too.If the show's director and/or writers weren't going to to treat Mari and Adrien as equally as possible from the start narratively/plot/character-wise, then they should've just not had Adrien at all and had Mari be a solo superhero.From the way the show is,they're already one step away from it anyway.When the show''s subtitle is called 'Tales of Ladybug AND Chat Noir' that has certain expectations.Mainly that Mari and Adrien were both going to be treated as protaganists,not that Mari is the protagonist and Adrien is basically a side character.
Marinette is a total creeper who stalks boys like a future serial killer
I don't mind marinette being the MC, but honestly if Adrien was the MC I feel like I would love it way more.
Sorry but your profile picture lmao 😂
@@miyuki_yasuda thanks hehehhehhehehehehehehehehhehehehehe
@@nickisboothang6032 idk man but it's kinda fit with your comment XD
@@miyuki_yasuda I get that a lot LOL
Lmao I love your profile picture. Where'd you get it from?
Adrikins deserves better
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Where were you a few months ago. A few I propose the idea of adrien being the better main charater and it didn't go over so well. The story is more based around adrien than marinette but the story actively kicks out adrien and pulls marinette in.
Imagine chloe ACTUALLY having ✨character development✨?!?!
Lila could be the mean girl instead (because she actually wants chaos, but chloe on the other hand... she is just broken)
that would be my ultimate dream
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
The most WTF momment has to be when this asian girl's mom who is blind said that she suck at art
Kagamis mom?
So I'm from the future and it gets worse.
OMG IK SEASON 4 IS MAKING MY BLOOD BOIL
Alya getting a proper storyline beore Adrien, the guy literally mentioned in the title of the show, makes me furious.
@@sisiwilson1019 SAME
If Adrien had been the protagonist, they would’ve had to bump the rating up to TV-14 solely for the trauma in that family 💀
Yea Adrien should be the main character. It make more sense because. His dad is the villain
Yeah I totally agree 👍👌👏
That'd be so cool to watch Tale of Cat Noir
pls lets finish the series and then lets talk about this
never to speak so soon
I agree, i think they are underestimating adrien as a character, but also Gabriel, bc both of them are interesting characters, and they deserve more. I think that would make the serie even better. I'm afriad about the s4 is not gonna develop thoose two character. ( i like Marrinette is my third favorite character )
I'm actually glad you said Gabriel deserves more too because he's also a very interesting character for a villan.
@@miss_chelles1338 one would think the dude got potential for being a good villain with the powers he have... Yet the dude is kinda bad as a villain and not in the good sense.
At least Gabriel is getting a prequel comic with HIM as the central protagonist, compared to Adrien who is getting nothing.
But yeah the guys on the show are really sidelined and it’s so bad. Give Gabriel and Adrien some proper development please.
Watching this video made me realise that Marinette is a yandere. She has the characteristics of one! The pictures of their crush all over their room, them knowing where they are every minute of the day, getting jealous very easily and doing their best to get rid of (or eliminate) anybody that gets close to their crush and them constantly thinking that their crush is theirs when they don't even know them that well or don't have the same feelings for the them. I actually think the last thing that Marinette needs to do know is kidnap Adrien and then she'll be a full fledged yandere.
Maybe not call the minor a yandere?
But other than that, seeing as how Thomas thinks this behavior is perfectly healthy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he just though Asian girls fighting over a White boy is a dream come true
I agree. Adrien is legit set up in every way to be the Main Protagonist. If the Writers had wanted Marinette to fill that role instead, they should have given her some deeper connection to Master Fu or they should have background-swapped her and Adrien.
Have Sabine be the daughter of Fu or the previous Ladybug
Let's all be honest with ourselves: the reason why Adrien isn't the main protagonist is because then there would be no way to make the show for kids. Which is sad.
@•Bun• Sorry, what I meant was that there would be a lot more scenes of emotional abuse. I just kinda didn't want to say that on TH-cam, considering how easily it's triggered. F*ck the algorithm.
I totally agree with this video: adrien's perspective would really add something new to the serie and despite being through a lot himself we never see him deal with his trauma (see for example the episode where he turned into aspic and saw ladybug die countless times) ,contrary to marinette, but it could really add to the serie as a whole
be prepared for a paraghraph with many spelling errors:
marinette has got it too good, she lives a happy life with her parents in a bakery des[ite being socially awkward and in love with the model adrien agreste. BUT andiren is chat noir and marinette is ladybug. chat noire isnt a side kick but a partner. Why is it that ladybug must be the holder of the miaculouses? they were both given miraculous on the same day for the same reason, so why does LADYBUG get it all? like knowing almost everyone's identity besides chat noir on the team. getting to chose who's on their team. At this point i really just dislike the show bc marinette is the main character now. I liked it before, when they were partners. cat noir and ladybug against the world. :( i just hate how adrien/ chat noir isnt able to try new miraculouses and give new ones out. although nothing will probaby ever change and marinette will ultimately be superior to cat noir i like to think of cat noir as someone who deserves the spotlight.
probably an unpopular opnion.
Why can’t they both be the guardians too? Like you said, they were both given their miraculous’ on the same day and if they are both guardians, they can share the job and both won’t be too stressed.
I completely agree
@@sisiwilson1019 exactly
Marinette has always been at the forefront of the show. Since season 1. Adrien comes right after.
Ladybug is the guardian because Master fu made it so, between Marinette & Adrien who do you think would have more time to spare to learn about the miraculous?
Adrien is always on a constant tight schedule and is only free for the little time that he's Cat Noir or recreational purposes. Master Fu had to lie his way into Adrien's home to give him the miraculous power ups. You know Gabriel isn't an easy man.
Fu knows & trusts Mari very well, that's why she is guardian.
Now it's up to Mari to tell him the secrets of the miraculous, but where would they discuss such things? Especially under the constant watch of Shadowmoth and she can't take him to her house either.
@@gigib.354 Realize that Adriens father is always occupied as well. If you’re going to call it Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir then treat them the same. They both should have been guardians. That would make the show even more interesting. They’re both the main protagonists. They BOTH have and always should have been the forefront of the show. Again I wish Adrien was the main character. 🤷♀️
Marinette: *exists*
Thomas: OOOOOOHHH MAH CHILD! COME TO PAPA!
For real
Yet people call him blind for calling marinette a friend. Actually, I think it should stay that way; Marinette and Adrien just staying friends forever. Because if they get together, it would be a toxic ship.
Yeah, Adrien barely got screentime in season 4, he was practically replaced by rena furtive. Yet he's the best character in the show. He has such an eventful life and backstory with a villainous father, had to stay home his life, and with his mother in a coma in his basement without him ever knowing. He's so fascinating and interesting... Marinette's life is just simple and basic, not very eventful, so it becomes boring.
Reasons I hate Marinette:
1) She stalks Adrien
2) She steals (she stole adriens phone in copycat)
3) She breaks into houses for her own gain (in chat blanc)
4) In puppeteer 2, she took a hair from adriens head and put it into her purse- I-
5) She has Adrien's schedule on her wall (she knows what he does everyday as adrien, its creepy)
6) She does way more creepy things. She legit smelled Adriens pillow and laid on his bed and snuck around his room (in chat blanc)
7) Not to mention she uses her miraculous for her needs and personal stuff at times just for her own gain, in Chat Blanc for example.
Yet the entire fandom normalizes the things she does and hates Adrien for doing just one thing; all he does is call Marinette a friend. smh people nowadays its gotten too far. Plus, she gives out miraculous like candy. People say she truly loves Adrien for himself, but shes an obsess girl. She also likes Adrien for his perfection and perfect side, like all other girls that simp for him. When Adrien is his true self (as Chat Noir), Marinette/Ladybug sees him as a pig, he she doesn't love him for his true self. Period.
@bluuu..😊💙 When I first started watching miraculous, in origins for example, that's the type of Marinette there should be. But after season 4 and 3, I absolutely despised her. I know right? to think this mess was made from kind adrien giving mar- ugh i cant even type out her name- the stalker an umbrella.
@bluuu..😊💙 Yeah, I was too lazy to type out all the reasons. There's too many to count
Catnior/ Adrien and Marinette/Lady should be equal. yes : )
agree
If Ladybug can purify an Akuma, then why can’t Cat Noir add darkness to an Akuma? The show is getting worse.
Agreed.. necessary
it's like telling naruto and sasuke should be equal
@@zerotwo88 they r equal tho
Honestly, a lot of the poor writing just stems from Thomas’s personal…..interests. Particularly with Asian(fetishization)
Like the whole “mysterious Chinese magic” thing sounds good to him, when in reality it’s just a very superficial and westernized take on Chinese culture. I think that’s why a lot of the White characters in this show seem to have a better grasp of Chinese culture and language than uh, Yknow, the main protagonist who is of Chinese heritage
And that’s mainly why the characters’ development suffers. I’m convinced Adrien is also another one of Thomas’s self-inserts where it’s seen as a good thing to have all these Asian girls chase over this White boy. It’s also good Adrien as Chat Noir never gives up on his advances cuz he’s a nice boy right? He shouldn’t respect his crush’s wishes and remain friends, she’ll come around eventually. If Thomas can so boldly base a married couple of himself and his EX, I’m convinced he was very pushy in the relationship
It’s been three years since this video was made and it STILL stands true. With the end of season 5, Amelie is back as well as Natalie, plus the fact that Felix, Kagami, and Marinette now also know that Adrien is a (implied) sentimonster and he doesn’t know himself. With amount of power of the Family rings that gave him, and he doesn’t even know it! Someone HAS to tell him and this will hopefully give him more depth and screentime
Thank god finally someone I can stand behind! in my mind, Adrien should have been the protagonist.1 imaging how someone would react if they found out their parent the person they trust(Adrien so oblivious)is a villain.2 I find it crazy that Marinette is supposed to be this normal girl when she is constantly around famous people, Adrien would fit this so much better. A famous boy with a famous dad would obviously be around famous people as well as many others things. Chloe should have been his love interest instead(before yall Adrienette fans come for me hear me out)1 Marinette is a creepy obsessed fan. She doesn't really treat him like an actual person, more like how some crazy fans treat the idol they love (also she broke into his house, stalks him, and don't get me started on the mannequin episode 0~o if this doesn't scream crazy fan I don't know what does. ) 2 With the fact that both of them have a past history with each other could have been nice to see him a Chloe rebuild their relationship. I imagined it as Chloe comes back to town and acts all mean and stuff making Adrien feel like he doesn't know her anymore, making him not only have to relearn stuff about her but also him creating a new relationship with her, and the same thing goes for Chloe.
Thomas Astruc knows that he did a better job developing chloe than marinette and since the protagonist is his favourite he decided to throw away the very well done development of chloe so marinette could still have all the reflectors and same with adrien. It's the only logical reason I found
I have only one thing to say: This show needs good writing.
OK FINE, I'VE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY (no need to read this long-ass comment):
Adrien would've been a better protagonist because: He is more interesting.
He is fighting against his own father. The tension. It's not only because Adrien has a much more sadder life that Marinette (I'm not saying Marinette's life is easy) but also because it can get the viewers more interested and feel, um, excited? Like mostly people are waiting for the reveal but ALMOST no one thought about Adrien's fight against his father. Because we are seeing Marinette's perspective. We are seeing her get heartbroken as Adrien friendzones her (tbh I am sort of relieved he does becoz who da faq stalks their crush? Especially a 14 - 16 year old) but some of the fandom don't care about what Adrien is facing. Now the fandom (not the whole fandom) is waking up to Adrien's problems as the series progresses.
True, Marinette is learning her mistakes, but mostly because of TIKKI. (I'm not saying always because of tikki, but most of the times)
Tikki always gives Marinette advice and that's how Marinette learns her mistake. A true learning happens when someone experiences it completely (according to me). For example, Chloe learnt in episode Queen Wasp- (ok I don't remember what she learnt) learnt something from one whole episode! (but then thomas decided to hate chloe, jeez, he's favouritizing his characters like they are 'REAL')
Marinette on the other hand- learns from tikki in just a few seconds. And she never gets the consequences. Instead, she gets a REWARD. A REWARD! Like in the episode Copycat, she stole Adrien's phone because she thought that she would go to jail and Adrien would hate her and then as she put the phone in Adrien's bag without confessing that she stole the phone, she gets a reward to go to the movies with Adrien and Alya and Nino. (Seriously, Adrien and Mari could've talked it out if Mari didn't delete the message!) She committed a crime (she committed a crime many times, like the time in Oni-chan, she tried to get up to Adrien's house by climbing the wall, becoz Lila went with Adrien, and then the firefighter helped her later. Like wtf!?) Whereas Adrien, faced the consequences. For example, in the episode Volpina, he stole Gabriel's book, and then got grounded because of it.
Marinette also can sometimes come off rude. Just saying-
And for the people who disagree, this video is SOLID proof. (also there are other videos explaining on this similar topic)
Btw, I don't hate Mari I just sometimes find her annoying.
Yeah I agree with you more 👍👌💯
I agree with you so much
I agree apparently the show is about feminism but it really isn't in reality because she keeps bringing men down and making them seem irrelevant when they all have better lives than her and more interesting backstories
@Dragongamer 7 yes I felt bad for Adrian not being in the spotlight he should deserve more screen time 😔 and make a show about him 😊what do you say 😉
The problem isn't with Marinette. The problem is with how the writers use their screen time. Adrien isn't given much narrative and so, Marinette has to fill up in his absence, which is why I think people don't like her a lot.
Yeah, it also becomes quite clear some fans recognize (some don't care) that the show is (unfairly, whether she's the protagonist or not) centered almost entirely around Marinette/LB because, the nickname for the show is literally "Miraculous *Ladybug",* when it's already shortened as "Miraculous".
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
@@slevinchannel7589 Yess, exactly. And it's the people like that, that always makes supporting groups look bad. I'm not a feminist, but I doubt I would feel any different about the show if I were.
6:22 Madoka Magica is such a good anime it’s so bright and happy 😃
are you sure about the “bright and happy” part
🙃
I was about to agree and then I saw ‘Bright and Happy’ 😃
lol ya the ending is a real fun one
Yeah it's not like any of the character's die 🤭
Even if one of the seasons was seen through Adrien's eyes only, and the other 6 through Marinette's eyes, it would bring forth far more to the table, to expand on the storytelling.
When I think about Thomas writing the show I think about him sitting in his desk drinking thinking about how his life sucks so much and how he wished that he can just figure out what everyone else is up to and then boom that creates Marinette the stalker the person who gets more screen time than everybody else in the show and I think he might have a crush on his own character because there's no way he loves Marinette that character so much to the point where he does not give a crap about any other character
Lol poor Adrien even Gabriel is going to be the protagonist of his own prequel comic 😂 feels bad man.
Season 3 ruined Gabriel. Him begging Adrien to transform into Chat, not for the miraculous but just for his own safety was the most powerful scene in the series.
And then Chat Blanc happened. Which I like the episode. In a vacuum. But it literally destroyed Gabriel's character and makes moving the series forward towards this inevitable relationship super sus. Like contrivance is our only option.
I agree we need more content of Adrien being the center of the story for a little bit. Narratively, MOST IF NOT ALL OF MIRACULOUS'S STORY IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF HIS DAD TRYING TO SAVE HIS MOM!!! And we know next to nothing about Adrien or the Agreste Family, for that matter. We don't know why Gabriel and Emilie were in Tibet, where they found the miraculous Nuroo and Dusuu; we don't know what compelled them to use the miraculouses in the first place. We don't know anything about why Emilie is the love of his life that Gabriel is willing to burn the world down for her - before they turned him into a generic "I want power" villain. (Side note: My current head cannon is that Emilie is built to be this perfect person only to be really horrible and controlling. I know it is cliche, but there is not much about her, so I am going for it till otherwise). Heck, there is so much discourse now because we do not know much about Adrien to determine if he is actually human because of the Senti- monster discussion since we barely get time to see how he feels about his past or family memories and just that he is upset all the time at home.
Now, this is not to knock Adrien. I love this precious cinnamon roll, but I think we need more time for us as an audience that is supposed to care about the characters - like Marinette - and her relationship with Adrien; we need to see what makes Adrien a great person - or determine if he even is a person. And the excuse of "Oh, he is a nice guy with little flaws because he is that perfect" makes it harder for people to stay interested in the romance for long. Let alone long enough to keep the "Will they Won't they" trope going if there are not more scenes showing both sides of the relationship coming to that moment of "I might like this person" naturally and having time for the show to explore it.
Sorry for the rant, but I have been battling my feelings for Miraculous for a while. And this helped a lot. Good video as well!
Yes I agree with you 💯👌👍
ya there is so little of Adrien that Senti-Adrien is a strong possibility though most likely not ever to be actual cannon cause that would be above the writing style of this show
@@dragonheck yes I agree with you 💯👌👍
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
lore: Chat Noir and ladybug are equals one cant be complete without the other.
the show: chat noir is almost irrelevant and is kept in the dark about most things regarding the miraculous.
I don't watch MLB but I have watched some episode and well, as you said, is all over the intertnet. So I watched this xD
I'm suscribed now because I like your ideas/Analysis~ let's see what you bring to the table next time xdxd
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
I would also love to see episodes from Adrien's point of view because the Agreste family drama is way more interesting and crucial to the plot, but because of those exact same reasons, we won't get as much of it because of the drawn out pace they are taking the show. They want us to feel bad for Adrien that's literally half of the show's purpose.
10:55 Well, the series has been renewed for 7 seasons now ...
Okay 👌🆗️
Easy rewrite there a three hero’s Ladybug, Cat Noir, and Queen Bee Queen bee came in later and her hero is lady bug but she slowly she’s her flaws and how she really doesn’t treat cat noir that well maybe she ends up going solo or returning the miraculous witch either gives us a anti hero a look into other perspectives and seeing that lady bug isn’t perfect
Yeah I agree 👍👌💯
We could’ve seen Adrian day life basis maybe even some hints that his dad might be Hawk mouth. But oh… Marinette is making a hat
"he has the strongest relationship to the central plot!"
this is FN-2187 all over again isn't it?
I tried to give adrien more of a purpose in my rewrites on my my channel
I 100% agree that Adrien should be the main protagonist of the cartoon. And we did already have an anime based off Marinette. BUT- Imagine this being a 2 series all because Adrien CAN'T do anything during the "Fill In" episodes/times where they do absolutely nothing and make no plot.
I can’t believe it’s humanly possible to write a show this badly
OMG YOUR SO UNDERATTED
miraculous ladybug!
*tales of ladybug and chatnoir*
*CHAT NOIR*
*C H A T N O I R*
More like
Miraculous
Tales of Ladybug and
*RENA ROUGE*
Just writing down an idea before I lose it. Wouldn’t it be cool if Chloe’s arc was done well so we got to see a rift in Mari and Adrian’s relationship from Chloe and Adrian becoming close again. Marinette might think Adrian likes Chloe or is at least becoming more distant from her.
This could go many ways.
Marinette could get jealous like she did with Lila and yell at Chloe, turning the team against her and making Chloe question her position and value to those on the team and those around her. Maybe even get akumitized.
Marinette could get uncomfortable around Chloe and start avoiding times with her friends when Chloe and Adrian are together, or avoid calling her when they need her help as Ladybug, jeopardizing their mission.
Or one of my favorite possibilities. Marinette begins talking to Chat about this “mystery boy” that Matu feels is sooo unobtainable, making her and Chat friends or more, maybe even reversing the love square! 🤩
There was sooo much potential with Chloe. WHYYYYYYYYYY DID THEY HAVE TO RUIN IT! 😵
1:54😤😤😤😮💨😮💨😮💨 I HOWEVER DESPISE MARINETTE/LADYBUG 😾😠😡😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾"
Then it would be called "miraculous cat noir" but "miraculous ladybug" sounds more appealing
Chloe wasn’t born mean, people aren’t born mean. The only reason people are mean is because they are sad inside. People aren’t born sad, WE, the people around them make them sad. Chloe was never bitten by a radioactive dandelion. Plus, dandelions are actually used to treat people with heart problems, dandelions are not jerks.
i wish marinette was like this but no she choos her sister over her
I would’ve liked to see Gabriel decent into madness as the series went on. Starting the series being caring to what he still has and ending it felling Adrian, and Nathalie, and everyone who still cares about him is only i. The way of his goal to bring back Emile.
4:28 ok… virtual daughter? That just made it 10000000 times worse
10:58 You didn’t jump the gun! Mlb has been scheduled for not 6 like you said… but 7 seasons!!
"i like the sword lesbian" yea me too
I thought Felix would have the same backstory as Adrien (cuz it seemed like he would) but instead of being a kind guy he would actually display elements of trauma and his black cat persona would allow him to express emotions & be free in ways he wouldn’t be allowed to in real life.
That split is what actually made me interested in the show to begin with. So when they dropped Felix, I wasn’t too into the series a whole afterwards
What do you mean? The show never even had Felix to begin with.
@@lilymadkins3558 I know right ✅
3:13 was so cuteeee
I know that one day we will look back at the show once it is done and realize how bad it is but the idea of it so good. I mean most of us are realizing before or now. But realize who should’ve been the main character and that was Adrien
I agree! He’s a way better written protagonist than marionette.
bestie you r so underrated anyway love ya
Although the show is about feminism it's not at all feminism if you think about it:
She brings down men's problems and solutions and makes it all about herself and how she can fix problems for example when chat noi r ever has a solution to something ladybug always has to make up her own plan as if she can only do it not even letting chat noir give any ideas not to also mention that ladybug is completely rude and disrespectful towards chat noir
Whenever chat makes a mistake she always has to make him feel bad about it for example in the ny special she blamed chat for being in New York when he didn't even know know he was going to be there and along the lines of "I don't even know if I can trust you!" When it isn't his fault he couldn't press the button because it's for emergencies and she could've de transformed by now so there was no other way in telling her he really didn't want to let her down and make her not trust him he just wanted to be appreciated for once since he barely gets well treated in his home knowing he cant go anywhere with out his bodyguard and he never spends time with his dad although marinette is the guardian she should'nt be acting as if her life is so much harder I mean it is quite hard for a teenager but adriens life he had been isolated in his home,never made other friends (other than chloe),has his mother in a coma,doesn't spend time with his dad,lost a relationship with his kagami,is never allowed to go anywhere with out his bodyguard and models basically everyday,gets emotionally abused by his father and formal superhero partner
You had me until the second paragraph where you made it obvious you just don’t like the girl
To think we almost got a cool princess tutu styled anime but then we got THIS
Literally all the characters need development
They all have perfect base personalities, hence why they were fine in like the first few episodes featuring them in the first season. After that? You need to actually develop them. And Thomas is just stuck
Chloe probably had the most dramatic change, but I guess Thomas has some vendetta against her so he made her completely revert back and replace her with a random step sibling, which we don’t really hear how that makes anyone feel.
Adrien is meh, like Marinette. They’re core personalities are just “try to woo the one I love” and just not bothering to check their own creepy behaviors on the matter. And it’s weird because they seesaw on this idea that they move on, but they don’t. And the thing is, they don’t really like each other’s different personalities.
We are on season 4 I think? Adrien doesn’t show having a hint of a crush on Marinette and Ladybug is the same with Chat Noir? Wouldn’t it make sense to have them be intrigued with their alter egos? Sure their friends, but they make it clear they aren’t attracted to each other. Just the idolized versions. Which is fine in the beginning, but this many seasons in? There needs to be something different
As for the other characters? Honestly they aren’t heard of until the plot needs them(and even then, they might be forgotten).
Now would Adrien make a better MC? Honestly, no. The angst and drama in his story is just typical for any lancer character, which is what Adrien is.
Dude, I was thinking of Gravity Falls for the first time in months before I got to that part
guys, lets finish the series and then let's talk about this maybe something will change
never ever to speak so soon pls
I feel like they should have switched perspectives per season it would just make sense for the storyline to me or at least have a season out of the 4 so far for a focus on him and the rest for her
I just realised-
Chat's Bell is Black in the Akumatization scene-
The dinner convo sound so interesting
This is a pretty good video. But if you're going to use footage from JelloApocalpyse's "This Is Basically" series that can be see at 2:04 and 2:49, you should at least credit him at the bottom.
Adrien Agreste, i'm sure he should made a better protagonist than Marinette : if it was already made a series with Adrien Agreste : He would have been more open and understanding with others, more intelligent (Adrien certainly has the same father, who is the Papillon the villain of the story and his deceased mother, but he has a close friend Chloé Bourgeois who would be nicer and disinterested in material things and I would see her more as Kagami, affection level and she would have helped Adrien to overcome his shyness and to get closer to Marinette Dupain-Cheng, of whom Chloe would also be the best friend.
He has doubts about Ladybug's identity, without telling Marinette, but Adrien would have suspected that she is Ladybug because of her physical features. In addition Adrien would already be in love with Marinette but that this one would not be awkward nor in-love-psycho of him, but rather friendly, shy and sweet, friend with Sabrina, Alya and especially Chloe. and she would rather date Nath, who was a better rival to Adrien than Luka. Luka Couffaine would not be a twin, but Juleka's older brother, and he and Chloe would experience a romance outside of college because Luka is a 16-year-old high school. As for Chloé, she has a 17-year-old biological sister named Clotilde Bourgeois, but under the pseudonym of Zoé Lee, as a stage name, adoring the cinema and they both love each other. Miraculous Chat Noir would be an even better show!)
You have so many good points!
I agree with ophelia, there's danganronpa and most of the focus was everyone against monokuma, and they didn't focus all the time on yasuhiro or genocide Jack, or maybe even winx club, the main focus of the show was uncovering blooms past, and they didn't just focus on one character, it focused on a lot of people because bloom and her friends were in on helping bloom as much as they could, they didn't focus on irrelevant characters and they didn't just focus on only one character at a time, id say that both adrian and marinette should both be protagonists, and just before you go and say "you can't have two protagonists" lemme hold yo horses, take a look at paper mario the thousand year door, there's literally 3, and i mean 3 protagonists, still not convinced? Well ima give you 3 more examples, 1, gravity falls 2, danganronpa V3 and 3, danganronpa 2
Im saying that you can switch protagonists to get different prospectives, lets say season 1 was marinette's prospective and season 2 was adrian's perspective, you can literally switch between protags to get different perspectives to get different view points
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.
@@slevinchannel7589 id say the only good episodes were the ones like pigella and queen wasp, and maybe the first two episodes
Let’s see Mari vs Adrain, Mari has both her parents and she’s boring the only thing she does is stalk people and it’s just boring and scary, Adrain, His mom is dead, His dad is a mean person and is a villain
Yeah but cat noir has a bit more development then tuxedo mask then just a love interest
I agree with the title of your video:))
I've heard from someone that in season 5, adrien will become the main focus. is that really true? if it is... im all here for it!
I'm glad Adrien isn't the main protagonist in my opinion. I still like him as the protagonist and I love seeing his character, but at the same time I can relate to Marinette more. I was bullied at a young age so when I saw the "Origins episode" it made me like Marinette even more. I also tend to think I'm not good enough when it comes to certain things. I started doing Fandubs about a 1 year ago and the show has really helped me. I want to become a Voice Actress when I grow up. The Miraculous team does such a good job and they deserve more credit. What I want to see for S4 is more Cat Noir and Marinette moments. That's what I really liked about S3.
She is toxic so you can relate to that???
@@ihavenoideawhatimdoing4 no I can't relate to being toxic. I'm just saying some of the things Marinette does a can relate to because I've had to go through the same things in my life.
Marinette is honestly soo perfect sometimes that it’s hard to relate to her from time to time.
I mean if they aren’t going to make Darien the protagonist, then at least give him more screen time .
yknow, if they wanted a female superhero they shouldve reversed the roles of adrien and marinette and swapped their genders
Ok am I the only one who can only read the title as “shat noir” XD
Those Authors are Weird-Heads.
They have some literal Problems that flow into
this.
Just like Narutos Author thinks of Females as Housewives-in-the-making,
it shows.
The 'Stalking aint so bad; its a bit cute' shows. The 'Blondes are annoying' shows.
'We are Feminists, so Cat Noir SUCKS' is literrally how the Writers
choose to write their Story. IT SHOWS.
This is a Mess. A Mess for real.